Spartacus – You will Naevia oppress us again!

Full transcript of Spartacus – You will Naevia oppress us again!.

0:00KT: Good day. Welcome back for another week at the For Your Reference podcast. Hopefully, you guys are well. Mhmm. And unless you want to, Oti is our Doctore, and he's going to be kind with the phrase this week.

0:00Oti: Yes. So I've decided to go Latin this week.

0:00KT: Oh, fancy.

0:16Oti: And the phrase goes like this, thus always to tyrants.

0:21KT: Well, tyrants usually come in the brand of oppressed. So I'm going to say if you're oppressed and you choose to not want to be oppressed anymore, you're going to meet an untimely fate.

0:34Oti: No. It's pretty much the opposite. Like, the tyrants meet a brutal end. And fun fact, apparently, John Wilkes Booth said this before he assassinated Abraham Lincoln. And before Julius Caesar was murdered, someone uttered this. And because you're not a psychic,

0:53KT: KT and all of the KT warriors will uprise and revolt against you, sir. Because I for I for damn sure got that correctly. Let's move on to the show, guys. It's a good one. I promise. Hey, friends and Jupiter cock lovers. It's For Your Reference. And you've got your host, KT.

0:53Oti: And Oti.

0:53KT: And you need to strap in or strap on because we's about to get into it, guys. What are we doing today? We are covering the Starz phenomenon, Spartacus. This is an all encompassing

1:54KT: show. You know, the little show that could. And if you haven't listened to Spartacus, we will not, like the king, deflower you, Reverse Primanoxus in spoilers. So please, if you have not watched Spartacus, it is our responsibility aside from drinking responsibly to also listen responsibly. If you have not watched Spartacus, we have Game of Thrones which is, you know, it'll break you in. It will get you ready for the penetration of the show that is Spartacus.

2:26KT: Okay? Go and listen to other episodes and then you can come back. Let's get into it. Mhmm. Are you throbbing? Are you ready, Oti?

2:26Oti: Oh, I am ready. I'm ready.

2:26KT: So this was the most successful Starz show at the time. Mhmm. It had a different show which I think was called Crash. Yep. But it didn't really do so well. And Spartacus really just burst out of the scene. Catapulted it to a new level. If you're part in the erection. Definitely. So let's go into it. Hopefully, you've watched Spartacus,

2:59KT: but let's give a little bit of a background. It is an American television series that did come out of the Starz Network, but most of it was filmed in New Zealand. Oh. Mhmm. So hi, some of our New Zealand listeners and also our Australian listeners. Just like me, I actually enjoyed seeing some of the actors because I actually recognized some of them. Like, oh, Ramsay Street is quite problematic at the moment. I didn't realize there were so many titties and dicks in Ramsay Street. That's a Neighbours reference, guys.

3:29Oti: Yeah. I think everyone's aware about Ramsay Street.

3:31KT: I think right. It's either Home and Away or Neighbours, and you you only watch one.

3:40Oti: Was on telly it was on telly throughout growing up, and I'm pretty sure I started off with Home and Away and then got bored of that. They had beaches. Neighbours had Tims. Hannah and Billy and Lou Carpenter. Oh my god. I remember the characters. But yeah. Fine. Fuck. This is off the cuff.

3:57KT: I don't know if I should be aroused or scared.

4:02Oti: No. I I just grew up watching it a lot. I think we were just predestined to be together. Pretty much.

4:08KT: Because I look like Lou Carpenter. Okay. So Spartacus premiered in January 2010 and it concluded in 2013. I guess before we even get started, we do just wanna lay our respects for Andy Whitfield and his family. Rest in peace.

4:30Oti: Oh, yeah. In peace. That was really sad. I think I I don't think any actor's death has ever affected me as much as Andy's did.

4:41KT: Right.

4:43Oti: Just because it was a time in my life where it was really really shaky and I watched Spartacus a lot. It was a nice escapism. It did. Wasn't it? It really was it really was and yeah rest in peace rest in peace.

4:56KT: Very unfortunate but in Hollywood or wherever they say the show must go on so Spartacus aired from 2010 to 2013 you've got Blood and Sand, Gods of the Arena, Vengeance, and also War of the Damned. You know what's funny? Yeah. With the creators, Steven S. DeKnight, between seasons two and three, they were actually planning on releasing a feature film. Oh. But then the amount that they would have to cut out to avoid an NC 17 rating, they're like, no. Fuck it. Fuck it with Jupiter's cock. Like, don't even bother. What's the point? Right?

5:39KT: But there you go. But yeah. If you if you've watched Spartacus oh, Andy Whitfield, his performance was so genuine, I think I think is the best word. Yes. I was yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and even leading up to this episode because, you know, you've watched the series quite a few times, and I've watched it a couple of times all the way through. I didn't realize how jarring the Australian accents were,

6:08Oti: especially in the first episode. The first time I watched this, I didn't realize it was a lot of them were Australians.

6:13KT: Because it's kinda neutral. Like, even I think even you say with me, unless I get, like, really excited or really angry, that's when my full on bogan Aye, pasta pop con, mate. I don't I don't know whose bedchambers you're laying with, but it's not mine.

6:13Oti: Mate, that's your proper Australian accent. Don't deny it.

6:13KT: Not in mine household. I would rather you have a mistress than you say that that's my accent. How dare you?

6:13Oti: Recording your podcast tonight, aye?

6:13KT: Oh, wow. How dare you

6:44KT: dare you besmirch my accent in mine household. You'd know yourself. I will not have that. And you see, guys, if you've listened to our episodes before, welcome. Our foundations have been crumbling since episode one. If it's your first time listening, we welcome you to sit on our Jupiter's cock as we continue.

7:04Oti: And this is not us being vulgar. We are pretty much just lifting the script from Spartacus.

7:11KT: Right? Yep.

7:12KT: So good. So good. But let let's continue. So for all of those ancient historian fans, and I know there are quite a few fellow potties that we follow historical. Come and fight me because it will be as accurate as my high school education will take me and also Wikipedia and our knowledge repository, IMDb. So come and fight me. Mhmm. All tits blazing. I will fight you. But this does cover the history in inverted quotes. Loosely, yes. Right? Of the Thracian gladiator, Spartacus. And that might not even be his name.

7:53KT: Right? And his name was never uttered throughout the series. Yeah. And it was there was sorry. We we will get into the series but in the first episode, we were in the barracks and Crixus starts to haze, I think is the word. He starts to haze Spartacus. And Spartacus is like, my name is It doesn't matter what your name is. I fucking love Manu Bennett. Fucking hell, man. Manu Bennett is everything. He is everything.

8:24Oti: Until Naevia comes into the picture, but that's a different story. But yeah. Mess with my Crixus.

8:32KT: I'm a be the one to break it to you.

8:35Oti: I feel like if he was that Naevia, Crixus would've just given up looking for ages ago.

8:41KT: Jagged Edge movie in the background. Yeah. So based on the Thracian gladiator, Spartacus, who from '73 to seventy one BCE led a major slave uprising against the Roman Republic departing from Capua. Can I just say, as an ancient history fan, and again, I might not be accurate, so, you know, come and fight me? But I really like, every time we were learning, like, even the battle of Thermopylae. Mhmm. Popularly known as 300. Right? I always saw the Romans as the man. Like,

9:20KT: all of these Greek nations are, like, trying to fight against or even the Gaul nations and also the Thracians. Like, I was never about that Roman life, can I just say?

9:30Oti: Yeah. It was it's quite I don't know. I was quite intrigued. Yeah. But I also feel I feel like society's gone backwards.

9:39KT: We're we're not going to we're not going to get into any theological debates, but that whole, you know, spreading of Christianity and Catholicisms, I wasn't about that life. But, anyway, there we go. That's where we are in this history, in this time of life. Capua is mainly where it's set. So you have, Spartacus being transported into there mainly as a slave, and then he started to he starts to rise to the barracks as a gladiator. So let's let's get through the cast. What a talented, outstanding, all encompassing group of Thaspians.

10:21Oti: Oh, yeah. For sure.

10:23KT: Oh, I like that.

10:26Oti: Oh, you do? Yeah. Yeah. It's not my Aussie accent, is it?

10:26KT: Oh fuck off.

10:33KT: Do you see do you see For Your Reference listeners, just at the point of climax, Oti has to ruin it. He just has to ruin it. So we've talked about Andy Whitfield portraying Spartacus. Also in the later seasons, we have Liam McIntyre, which I kind of had qualms, but but that's my own thing that I need to reconcile. So we will get to that when we start talking about the characters.

10:58KT: We have Manu Bennett. We fucking love you, man. If you ever wanna be on our podcast or if you ever just wanna come over here and have a hangi, all of the New Zealand listeners will understand. We'll dig up a hole in our apartment and you can come over. He plays Crixus, a Gaul Mhmm. Who is the reigning champion at the time of the series. And we will we will come to everyone, but let's try and get through, all of the characters that we have here. We have my lady love, my queen

11:33KT: that visits my nether regions, Lucy Lawless playing Lucretia.

11:42Oti: What the fuck was that?

11:45KT: That was for that was for all of our Xena fans. Yeah. I Even even Theo, our dog, he was shaking his body in excitement.

11:54Oti: I don't think I'll watch Xena: Warrior Princess. Not I don't think. I didn't watch it.

11:54KT: You need to leave. You need to log off from this conversation.

11:54Oti: I don't know. Was it that big? How dare I because I've never heard of Xena before. It's not like I'm living in a bubble. I've heard of Xena, but I've not watched it.

12:14KT: You know what? It's one of those things because in Australia, we are our own island and we're also our own continent. So sometimes we think that celebrities are big, and they're actually just Australian big. So Kylie Minogue, you've heard of her. Yep. Have you heard of John Farnham?

12:32Oti: I didn't until I came here because everyone speaks of John Farnham here. Exactly.

12:37KT: So you see what I mean? But I I do feel like Xena: Warrior Princess was international because Lucy Lawless is, like, top billing in, like, conventions with all of the nerds that are splooshing over her.

12:52Oti: And I don't I don't And the non nerds. I don't dispute that at all. She is great. She's a great actress and kudos to her, but Xena never crossed the Indian Ocean for us. Do you remember her? Or at least for me.

12:52KT: Do you remember Hercules?

12:52Oti: I do remember Hercules. Because

13:08KT: Hercules came from Xena. Fuck you. Okay. Okay. Oti can't hear this. All of the Xena: Warrior Princess fans, I will start a petition and we'll meet in the parking lot at 5PM across the solstice. Solstice? Solstice. Fuck off. You can right off. Can fuck Start accent me. So you know Hercules, but you don't know Xena? No. Wow. What a state of affairs.

13:38Oti: Let's move on. So Hercules is from Xena?

13:41KT: You need to stop. Oh, wow. Okay. I will turn this fantastical ship around. How dare I thought I knew you think you know a person, guys, but wow. How dare you? How dare you? Let's talk about Doctore, Oenomaus Oh. Played by Peter Mensah. Actually, let's not talk about him. Well, let's just talk about the cast because that's where we're up to. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't gotten very far. And can I just say, I do have dispute and I do have qualm with IMDb?

14:13KT: I will fight you. Where is Batiatus in this top billing? Let's continue. Ashur actually comes up before Batiatus. How dare they? Right? He plays a pivotal role. Nick E. Tarabay, who I don't really know if he was an Australian screen. He was born in Lebanon, but I guess we'll need to check out his work. He was in, I think, Arrow later on. So I don't really know where he's kind of based, but there you go. We have Viva Bianca playing Ilithyia. She was gross. Yeah. She was fucking gross. Let's continue.

14:49KT: There are some newer people in the series, but I wanna try and capture the OGs. We have Dustin Clare playing Gannicus.

14:57Oti: And Gannicus was really,

14:59KT: really, really good. I fucking loved him. Yeah. Like, he was everything to me. If Spartacus wasn't there, my panties would be thrown at Gannicus. Yeah. Gods of the Arena was really good. Talking back in talking back in ancient times, I wouldn't have had many panties. So I would have to ration my panties.

15:18Oti: I don't think anyone wore panties then. Everyone in the stadium was just, woo.

15:22KT: Hey, man. I'm a fancy bitch. So if you get my panties, you are most welcome. I'll even keep it there for a few days so you can get the funk. Oh, wow. There is a market for everything, babe.

15:36Oti: Yeah. Clearly.

15:39KT: Then I know what you do. I'm not sure what Patreon you started that sells used undies but, know. No. It's Whatever. It's watching you do the washing. I know what you do. And let's there there was a whole lot of people I missed, but whatever. I wanna get to my man, Batiatus, played by John Hannah. Drop mic. There's most of your cast right there. Mhmm. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about first impressions, how you came across Spartacus, you know, did you have a love for ancient history,

16:14KT: how you came across it? And, you know, what were the feels? What were the bodily fluids that were ejaculating out of you?

16:21Oti: So I wasn't a major fan of ancient history. Boo.

16:26KT: Again. Again, log off.

16:29Oti: But my sister recommended the show to me.

16:33KT: Wow. See, we've talked about your family sitting around and watching sexual shit. This just perpetuates it, but continue. Well, I watched this alone,

16:42Oti: so it was really, really, really good. I think I was what?

16:48KT: I don't know. What? I watched it alone. Upon recommendation from your sister. Yeah. Alright. Good on you.

16:56Oti: Jog on, my friend. It's not like we're both there staring at Leafy or whatever in the first five minutes of the show. I have no words.

17:05KT: You have stumped me, sir. But, anyway, it it was You cannot butt anyway that. Like, for for anyone that enjoys morbid shit, go back thirty seconds, but continue.

17:18Oti: So I was really, really intrigued by the first episode. I I wasn't sure that I would stick with it so for so long. And I think there are a few episodes in between that before Spartacus truly found himself Mhmm. That I was struggling with the pacing of it. And this is the first time watching it. Yeah. So

17:40KT: Did you watch it when it first came out in 2010?

17:43Oti: Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. Well, I watched it after the first season had already finished. So somewhere in 2010 after the whole season had finished, got the whole series and just binged it. Yeah. But I did struggle with the pacing in the past season, but after sticking with it for a few and I was just blown away

18:05Oti: once everything just started to click in and all the the writing and the there was just a lot of payoff.

18:05KT: I think you're dead wrong because I felt like the first season was

18:05Oti: No. I'm just talking about the first time I watched this and

18:05KT: Oh, sorry. Am I am I supposed to respect your opinion?

18:20KT: Good joke.

18:23Oti: Anyway, after that, it it just went from strength to strength. And I've rewatched this, like, I'm not I'm not sure about the numbers, but I feel like in between eight to 10 times.

18:39KT: Because because we're all friends here, I just do wanna clarify. When Oti says he's rewatched it, he's got an Excel spreadsheet of all of the sex scenes, and that's what he's watching.

18:39Oti: Who doesn't? Well, you can't blame me, can you?

18:39KT: Well, to be fair, we like we talked about earlier, it is about escapism. Right? And credit to Spartacus because unlike Game of Thrones, there was a lot of sex scenes earlier in the series, but they continued that through the whole series. Yeah. They did. One of my favorite

19:16KT: don't you love this? We haven't even talked about characters, but we're talking about sex scenes now. One of my favorite sex scenes was between Andy and Ilithyia. Oh. The the delicious revenge, but also just the just whole aesthetics of it all. Yeah. Was because he was like a golden god. Yeah. Yes, whole money ads for it. Yeah. Stick your dick in me, sir. Apparently, Andy Whitfield didn't even that wasn't his real dick. He wore a fake dick. He's never done full frontal

19:46KT: because I think it would just be too much for everyone to take in. If you're pardon the pun. I think that was one of my favorite sex scenes though.

19:58Oti: Yeah. I'm trying to think of any other, but, yeah, that really did stand out. The only thing

19:58KT: And also just because of what it meant in the storyline as well. And she was loving it. She was getting that Thracian dick and she was not looking back.

19:58Oti: Well, she again, she was thinking of Manu Bennett when that was happening, Crixus. So

19:58KT: You reckon?

19:58Oti: Yeah. She thought she was sleeping with Crixus.

20:24KT: But even their physiques were quite different. They're quite different. Yeah. She's quite stupid. Objectively. Objectively. Because I do love you, Oti, and you're you're Even the complexion. But then again. You're the wow. They were painted in gold, dude. Oh, yeah. Won't they? Or you're saying their golds are of different Shades. Clarity. There's cloud, clarity, and cut.

20:45Oti: That's diamond.

20:46KT: Oh, fuck you. Can we call this Spartacus fuck you Oti?

20:53Oti: Fuck you in the ass. Oh. Oh. Oh. We got a recommendation to listen to an OT Bop, and that was lit. Sorry. Not sure anyone says that anymore, but I'm trying to keep up with the trends.

21:04KT: Well, yes. And that was from the Cooking With Grief podcast. Yeah. So shout outs to Chris Squared because they're both called Chris. Oh, yeah. Oh, the OT Bopper is really, really, really, really good. Can I just say, as the social media director, executive sorry? I added executive. I am offended because I am struggling on Twitter every day and Oti gets the attention. Everyone's gotta do the OT Bop. Everyone everyone wants a taste of the OT Bop. I know. I know. Shout outs to the guys that made the OT Bop.

21:45KT: I don't think you'll ever hear this, but good for you guys. Are you done? Yeah. I'm done. Done. Are you done talking about your best friends Yeah.

21:53KT: In Britain?

21:53Oti: Yeah. It made me laugh. It was really great.

21:58KT: What else do we do? It's a it's a wanking yourself sort of show, Spartacus. So let's get straight into it. Mhmm. Right? We kind of derailed with sex scenes, but if you're telling me you didn't get a twinge in your nether regions, use a liar. Use a damn liar. Go and watch the sex scenes. Not on the bus. You can listen to For Your Reference, but I do warn you, you will be just as aroused as if you were watching a sex scene. Oh. Do you hear our voices? Sploosh mountain. Sploosh

22:31Oti: mountain. Listen. No one can deny that Lou Carpenter.

22:36KT: Fuck.

22:38KT: You'll be Alf. Alf Stewart Alf's grade. From Home and Away. Alf's grade. Actually, yeah, Alf looks better than me. Amazing. Okay. Sorry for deceiving you guys. I know that we keep saying we're persons of color, but we're actually two old white men. Indeed. We're the sex dungeon.

23:03Oti: But, yeah,

23:04KT: Spartacus starts off. Start. No. Let's let's talk about Spartacus, our favorite character, because I feel like we will spend a lot of time on him, and I definitely want to concentrate a lot of our intellectual banter into this.

23:20Oti: Alright. So Spartacus Andy Whitfield's version Yes. Was amazing. Yes. He he had this that just oozed you could you could really resonate with him as a person and what tribulations he was going through in trying to find Sura. I might not agree with how everything turned out when he was talking to Glaber and how all this revealed itself. Mhmm. But far out, man. He acted the hell out of this. Oh, yeah. Totally.

23:59KT: And aside from the Australian accents, as far as we understand, Andy Whitfield actually started as a model. And fucking hell, he he stood out. If anyone is single or if you're not, we're not judging. But if you're on those dating apps, we all know the tricks of putting in all of your hot friends so people think you're the hot one, but really you're the only uggo in the picture. Right? Andy Whitfield stood out. He has a face that all the women and the men wanna sit on. Let's be real. Right? Mhmm. Fucking amazing.

24:38KT: What you didn't expect was the depth of acting.

24:43Oti: Yeah. And and I think this was his first role. Right? Major role. Yeah. Because he was found just in a like, randomly in a coffee shop or something and, yeah it was just That's how it happens. That's how it happens and it was amazing.

24:43KT: At least that's what you tell me that's where you disappear every night.

24:43Oti: Yeah I'm just trying to find him. But how how how how did you how did you feel throughout the first season watching Andy navigate all the hardships that he'd come across? And what what did that make you feel?

25:20KT: Whether you are living in seventy one BCE or you are living in 2019, a big majority of you motherfuckers are basic as shit. Right? And we might even fall into that category. Right? But Spartacus in this particular series, he was someone that was born to lead revolts. Sura was if Helen of Troy was the face that launched a thousand ships, Sura was the face that launched a thousand revolts.

25:59Oti: Yeah. You're welcome. And it's crazy. I think I'd I think Sura has been shown a lot, especially in the first season. Mhmm. And the most bits, I think,

26:14KT: sex scenes with with Spartacus and her. Most of them were. Mhmm. And shout out to Erin Cummings because she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Yeah. She she beat it though, which is great. She did. She did. And she did very well with it. I know we're kinda not talking about sex scenes, hello. We're talking about Spartacus. So there's always some sort of sexual nature to it all, if not vulgar frivolity. Right? When

26:40KT: I think it was in the first episode as well when Spartacus came back to Sura and they ran away and they were in some sexy sort of cave Yeah. A beach shittan somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Right? And then she woke up and he woke up and Glaber was there. And she was being carried away. Can I just point out though that's that's real life? Right? She had little titties, but you could see they were sliding off of her chest.

27:07KT: Like, I'm just saying.

27:10KT: I need to talk about this because we need to balance it out. For all of the dick talk that we talk about, being big tit energy, I need to make it very clear that it's nice. It's refreshing to see real ass titties. I don't think you'll ever see hair on titties, which is quite natural, but, you know, we're not getting into that today. Yeah. Shout out to Mindy Kaling because I think that was the first example I ever saw of someone openly talking about Hairy titties. Yes.

27:44KT: Mostly for brown people. I don't know. Hey hey, white titties listeners.

27:49Oti: Let me know. White titties listeners. Yes.

27:53KT: Fuck sakes. If you want, I'm talking about myself but I I don't know about white titties. So the white titties committee, KT would like to have a conference call. You can turn the video off but I have pertinent questions. I feel like every everything we say in this episode is a sound bite. Alright. Let's go back to Spartacus. Yes. So How did you feel because we do have other characters we need to go to, but Spartacus is obviously pivotal to this role. The

28:30KT: bringer of rain Oh, yeah. Is the most common title that he has, but it's also the slayer of Theokoles. And Theokoles kind of ties in nicely with a lot of the champions of the Batiatus ludus.

28:43Oti: Yes. He is the one that really beat up Oenomaus

28:49KT: and caused all those scars up on him. But we'll come to Oenomaus in a second. Right? Yeah. So let's talk about Spartacus. Right? How did you feel and obviously, it couldn't be avoided. It was not that the actor didn't wanna do it anymore. It was unfortunate reasons that Andy couldn't continue. Again, rest in peace. Right? So Andy had to leave and then you had Gannicus' season trying to make room for Andy to come back. Unfortunately, he couldn't. So, you know, as a network, as creators, Steven S. DeKnight,

29:22KT: the series had to continue. So they did cast Liam McIntyre. Yep. How did you feel? The first time you watched it, how did you feel the character changing?

29:32Oti: I respected it. I feel like I took it more in the realms of no one is gonna be as good as Andy was. Mhmm. So anything anyone who would have been casting would have been below par.

29:44KT: Okay I did not come from that reference but yes can you.

29:48Oti: So them doing Liam McIntyre and the fact that Andy actually endorsed it as well Just made it that more acceptable to me at least. So I I didn't have any qualms. He did a fine job with it. It took a while to just get used to him being Spartacus, but after two three episodes, it was just selling and I'd accepted it.

30:07KT: Yeah. I I think I just had a harder time. I had a harder time accepting Liam and I don't even I don't even know how great his acting is because I just didn't give him a chance. If I'm being perfectly honest, I just didn't give him a chance. I am that crazy obsessed sort of viewer. When I latch onto a series that I'm obsessed with,

30:32KT: you can't just waltz in. And obviously, he didn't. He had to audition and it was a whole sort of thing. Apparently, the role that Liam McIntyre had before Spartacus, he was severely underweight, so he had to bulk himself up Mhmm. During the boot camp. I don't know if you guys have any spare time and you wanna have a little, you know, tickling of your pickle or if you wanna have a tickle of your bean. Look at hey. It's 2019. Right? We're we're all progressive sort of podcast. You should watch the boot camps for Spartacus.

31:05KT: Yeah. It's not just homoerotic. It's erotic in every sense of the word. But in any case, I do understand the work that was involved for Liam McIntyre to take on and fill the shoes that Andy had left for the Spartacus role. Right? I understand that. But I don't know. There's there's just something about me that's hard to accept a new person. Like a new person taking on that role. And again, he might have been the best person but even to this day, I'm just like, like I know the show needed to continue

31:39KT: but it just didn't sit well with me. Yeah. But then again, you have I do wanna give a shout out to the 1960 movie of Spartacus because Kirk Douglas does play Spartacus quite well. He does. He does. And going back to my ancient history class, we actually had my ancient history teacher you know when you watch the poet society and you have that one teacher that defines your life? And if you're a fucking hoodlum,

32:08KT: that teacher will really pull you up in line and make you wanna make something of your life. Mhmm. Maybe not a podcast, but make something of your life. My ancient history teacher was that teacher. Right? And we actually watched that 1960

32:25KT: version of Spartacus with

32:25Oti: What the fuck? Did you actually go to school? What what's with all this TV you watch in classrooms?

32:25KT: Okay. Just because you were gathering firewood for your classes.

32:25Oti: Oh, wow. Wow.

32:38KT: Did you not need light?

32:41Oti: We used those electricity made. Kerosene lamps, maybe? Wow.

32:47KT: Well, you need to bring it in because we have more South African listeners than Kenyan listeners.

32:53KT: You need to recruit your people. Let's continue.

32:56KT: But we watched that original Spartacus film, and I do just wanna lay some respect for the 1960 film because that was quite impressionable to me, and I did enjoy that. What I particularly enjoyed was a scene where they were talking about where all the vital spots were for attack. And they were like painting the arrows onto the body so you could learn when you're in the phalanx

33:17KT: or even when you're on on your own where you need to strike for a fatal blow. Yeah. So I do appreciate that movie and we do need to keep that. But is there anything else you wanna mention about Andy Whitfield or Liam McIntyre because unfortunately, we do need to continue to other

33:32Oti: No. Just just just credit to the creators because they did ask Andy's permission to continue with the show.

33:40KT: Yes. And obviously, they might find an excuse to continue going but you know

33:42Oti: The fact that they actually did ask Do that. Yeah. Definitely. The fact that they actually did ask for Andy's permission just says it all about the cast and crew how close knit they were doing this. It was a fun environment where they felt that if Andy wasn't right with this going on then let's just shut down shop and that's a good attitude to have.

34:07Oti: So respect to them. Not everyone would do this. We know the networks have a lot of pressure to deliver stuff, especially when a SHOLOX product has had a lot of popularity and a lot of

34:19Oti: audience who it would bring the money. So the fact that they actually went out and said, hey. It's not our decision to make. If Andy's not alright with this, then we'll just stop the show here and they'll fund with that. It may it makes you feel like there is some sort of humanity in the world. Exactly. Even though we're just talking about TV shows, but it's nice. It is. It is really nice.

34:40KT: Any moments of humanity you can get, whether it's in the Pornhub section of I don't know if you saw this, recently, a guy was talking about going through a really tough time and he was dealing with depression and people in the comment section was actually supportive of him. On Pornhub? Yeah. Mid jerk off. Oh, wow. You're welcome. That's nice. I don't know if we need a sense of that. Adulteroticsite.com.

35:05Oti: I think it's fine. I think we see Pornhub on all memes now. So But are they gonna pay us? Mate, Pornhub, you wanted to take what's the name of the show on on Netflix?

35:18KT: Sense8.

35:19Oti: Sense8. With your Kenyan people. Oh, yeah? They wanted to produce Sense8, you know. Kudos to them. And and and shout shout out to Pornhub

35:29KT: because whether you're with someone or you're not with someone, sometimes you just need to get it out.

35:36Oti: Yep. That's A hand is all you need.

35:39KT: A hand is all you need or if it's long enough, a mouth is all you need. I'm not sure a lot of people can contort contort their bodies like that, but, know. Do do you see porn up? You're welcome. Alright. This is what a meeting would be like. Don't alright. You started this. Let's continue. So we've talked about Spartacus. The only other thing I will add in through the IMDb trivia, they mentioned that Spartacus rarely swears. He probably wouldn't get along on our podcast then. It was mostly Crixus and Batiatus.

36:13KT: I do have qualms IMDb, like I mentioned earlier, because I feel like Batiatus

36:18KT: should be mentioned before Crixus. But, you know, let's continue.

36:22Oti: Every word Batiatus said? He has to be the most quotable person in in Spartacus.

36:30KT: Oh, totally. Yeah. Oh, totally. And I will bring those quotes up when we talk about Batiatus. And, oh, I really I know we say this all the time, but I feel like there is so much that we need to cover in this series. So if any of you guys are interested in the in characters or themes that we aren't gonna cover because realistically, we do try and keep it quite tight if you're nasty, then let us know. And then we can, like, put out a bonus because Spartacus is my shit.

37:05Oti: Yeah. It's one of the fast shows that I rewatched like hell.

37:05KT: Oh, totally. And again, with your Excel spreadsheet of sex scenes.

37:05Oti: Not even that, like just overlooking everything that the storyline, the action scenes, it was quite amazing. It was quite

37:21KT: I will allow written. I will allow you. I might regret this. I will allow you. Who is the next person we're going to talk about? Oh, it has to be Crixus.

37:31Oti: It has to be Crixus. Do it. Let's do it. So Manu, what does Manu do for you?

37:39KT: Realistically, as a Tongan again in the Pacific Ocean and we hardly get any shout outs, what what, to my people, it was nice. It was nice to see brown faces, like undeniably brown faces. Yes. We've got The Rock, but, you know, he he's been around for a long time, and he's not in everything aside from popular belief because he's kind of infiltrated every being and every orifice we have. It was nice to see Manu Bennett, and I like how fucking confident he was. They mentioned he was from Gaul, which is France. So I

38:18KT: you know, I who am I to be historically accurate? I feel like he wouldn't be from France looking at his skin, though. But, you know, you know, we love you, Manu.

38:30Oti: Well, then again, France doubled around in in a lot of regions. Person.

38:35KT: Manu. Manu.

38:37Oti: Yeah. So Crixus is Spartacus is arch

38:42KT: He is the champion.

38:44Oti: He is the champion. Yes. He is the reigning champion at the time of the series. Yes. And they don't get along with Spartacus until pretty much the towards the end of the show.

38:55KT: And it's it's just But that's very similar to Batiatus and Solonius. Your worst enemies are people that were your best friends because they know so much about you. Yeah. But then again Or you're so similar which I I felt like that was a dynamic with Spartacus and Crixus because they were so similar or at least they were both alphas and they could only be one. Right?

39:18Oti: But then again, I would throw this argument out there that Spartacus would never have been champion if Crixus didn't give him the win. But he also got injured as well. Well, he he pretty much gave him the win in the in the battle against Thessalonius

39:35KT: because He was he was titled as the undefeated Gaul.

39:39Oti: Yeah. And after the battle, he was pretty much done. And and Spartacus went from strength to strength to strength. And it wasn't long after that that he found Naevia.

39:53KT: Don't even get me. I liked Naevia at the start. Do you all are you trying to say as a man in 2019 that women women can be your downfall? Is that what you're trying to say to me? Pretty much.

40:04Oti: Everything we've watched has women doing something to men and them turning into cycles or something and just going completely opposite of their personality to do shit that they wouldn't regularly do.

40:04KT: Well, listen. Because we know we all know how this ended for Crixus, and it was pretty much due down to Naevia being a dick. I must say his

40:28KT: character development and the decline of his development was was quite sad. Yeah. It was sad. He was he was earned more than that. And, again, maybe historically that is correct. But for Crixus being such a strong champion, I really feel like it didn't do him justice. That wasn't fair. Yeah. I don't think it was either.

40:50Oti: Like, how Crixus was his own man. Mhmm. You know? With his own beliefs and he he loved Naevia. Fine. You know? Fair enough. I love you as well. But when she came down to it, if you're bubbling on about unrealistic stuff that we should get done and trying to turn me against one of my buddies because you want to carry on this vindictive agenda that you have Mhmm. Me. No. That wouldn't work.

41:21KT: So I I guess women are always the serpents. Is that is that what they're mentioned in the bible? Is it serpents? Yes. Serpents. Out to get you. That's me finishing.

41:37Oti: Right? Yeah.

41:39KT: Maybe you need to secure your dick then. Why is it the women's fault? But anyway, we're not getting into that today. But Crixus, we haven't even talked about Crixus and Lucretia.

41:52Oti: Oh. I think Crixus Crixus didn't have any feelings to towards Lucretia. He was just fucking up for the sake. But until

42:03KT: No. But historically, it was very accurate that even within the barracks, you would have groupies that would go and make sure that the gladiators haven't showered so they could fuck them raw while they were dirty and stinky and all of that stanky ass.

42:20Oti: I need to be a gladiator, don't I?

42:23KT: Mate, even with your stanky ass, you can get it. Oh, wow. Thank And that is the secret that you guys welcome. You're now part of the secret. You might not be a part of the fucking, but you're part of the secret.

42:38Oti: In Rome, you would have been part of the fucking. So, you know?

42:41KT: Who was that old disgusting man that kept setting up those fucking orgies? Oh, I remember that. We'll we'll look it up. But he was fucking gross and he brought his 14 year old there. Ew. Fucking hell. Fucking sakes. IMDb trivia, they did mention for the orgy scenes, and they didn't even refine it because there are quite a lot of orgy scenes. Thank you for the orgy scenes, by the way. They actually got and I don't even understand the way that IMDb trivia described it, but essentially what they were saying is they got professionals

43:19KT: that were used to erotic displays to essentially just roll the camera and have at it. And they would edit out what Starz would deem too steamy. Are they essentially a swingers group? Like, the wording of it was so suspicious.

43:37Oti: Yeah. That is suspicious.

43:39KT: But there you go. Crixus was a a fucking warrior all throughout. It took him a while. That toxic masculinity did get to him that fueled, like, 80% of his speeches in season one Yeah. Trying to whip it out. I don't think I see it in IMDb trivia. Do you think that was Manu's real dick? Why am I saying Manu like a French person? Manu.

44:08Oti: Oh, I don't know. Well, if it is, then wow.

44:13KT: It was quite it wasn't it wasn't massive, but it was also quite nice. If that was his real dick then shout out to him because they obviously could have made a bigger one. But that's confidence. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. For sure. So I don't know what the average size of dick is but, you know, be proud.

44:38Oti: Because they're not six point five inches?

44:41KT: We're not we're not we're not trying to no. I'm not even going to. We're not We're not. We're we are not going into that because we are a sophisticated podcast. We're not family friendly, but we do love our daddies. And we do love a Crixus daddy. Yeah. Can we just say? But yeah. So Crixus

45:06Oti: Naevia is is is pretty much his downfall and it's quite

45:10KT: Can we stop saying her name? I really don't wanna mention her.

45:14Oti: Yeah. She's she's annoying ass. And I think they changed they not I think they changed actress actresses in between seasons so there you go I think the new one was a bit hateable as well so she

45:27KT: yeah it's like okay, we're happy with looking at you but once we see your face, it's all over. Yeah. I'm not saying she's ugly, I'm just saying she had a resting bitch face. That's all I'm saying. And I can relate to that because every every body part of me is resting bitch. Okay?

45:46Oti: Oh, and who Do I get to choose?

45:50KT: Yeah. Let's talk about Batiatus and Lucretia.

45:53Oti: Oh, the power couple.

45:55KT: Right? Can I just say if we are not Batiatus and Lucretia, what the fuck is all this for?

46:03Oti: True. True. And I I keep on telling you, mate, you know, you just have to be a ride or die like Lucretia.

46:11KT: Yeah. But you don't have a ludus.

46:14KT: So in 2019, if you're trying to talk about some illegal activities, that's a whole different story. You can OT Bop right by yourself. It doesn't matter

46:24Oti: what the hell I'm talking about. You need to buck my playmate. You'd rather die.

46:31KT: And some of you might think we're having an orgy, but that's actually our dog licking his balls in the background. He actually does that in pretty much every podcast episode, but given what we're covering today It adds to the atmosphere.

46:46Oti: It's Saturn.

46:49KT: Saturn is surrounding the moon right now, licking his bowels.

46:54Oti: Yeah. So Batiatus and Lucretia have this weird dynamic where I feel like Lucretia really loves Batiatus. She does. On the other hand, she actually loves Crixus as well.

47:06KT: Yeah. I don't know. I feel like Lucretia really loves him, and I don't want to be please forgive me if you fit this demographic, but Batiatus was a small, scrawny man. I don't know what he was dealing with in his dick department, and feel free to correct me. But I feel like if Lucretia didn't love him, she would've left. Right? In the first season, you know, it was it was quite clear. It wasn't nuanced. The fact that they were going through a drought and they weren't experiencing any rain, there are direct correlations

47:44KT: between the success of their ludus. Yeah. Right? Crixus was really the only lifeblood that they had coming out of that ludus.

47:53Oti: Mhmm.

47:54KT: But what did Lucretia do? She stood by there as a g.

47:59Oti: Exactly. She stood by Batiatus who was the last She loved him. She did. She really did. And that's where

47:59KT: Whether whether you can love someone and also love someone else, we are not getting into that today.

47:59Oti: Well, whether it's the a human's capacity to love more than one person, know? Who am I to judge?

47:59KT: No. You need to judge because I'm looking at you right now.

47:59Oti: No. I'm just putting it out there so that when you find out there's a lot of

48:28KT: I think we have established that there are many Oti babies running around, and I just need to accept that.

48:36Oti: Well, the dynamism is quite weird and how it all works because I could tell that they have actual deep feelings for each other. And when Batiatus was dying, having been stabbed and slashed, she was there. She was there through it all. Dude, she was always there.

48:55KT: There are times where she would actually be holding the knife with Batiatus. Don't even get it twisted. She was a ride or die forever.

49:05Oti: Yeah. Until tell She organized those orgy parties for him. Yeah. Until you tell we tell her that Naevia was sleeping with Batiatus no. With Crixus.

49:16KT: Yeah. I don't know. Again, it's it's a philosophical I guess it is literal, but that is a that is a debate that we are definitely not gonna get into today. Everyone has beautiful can I just say, Lucy Lawless? I fucking I fucking loved her. Yeah. Even before I saw her titties, so you know that's real love. She is all encompassing female, everything. Yeah. Growing up as a brown girl in Australia, I didn't really feel like anything was for me. You know, Lucy Lawless is white as well, but it doesn't matter. She was a strong

50:04KT: woman. And I'm like, how do I sip that? How do I tingle that clitoris?

50:12Oti: This is when you're watching Warrior Princess.

50:13KT: Oh, yeah. Totally.

50:16KT: Are you telling me

50:18KT: that in your most formative years, you didn't feel a tingle in your genitals? I can pinpoint that to

50:18Oti: Me watching She-Ra wasn't like, oh, yeah. I wanna tingle her. Nah, man.

50:18KT: Really?

50:18Oti: Yeah. No. I don't think so.

50:18KT: Well, you need to wake up to yourself because sexual awakenings are quite common. Okay? And I'm telling you, Lucy Lawless was mine. Oh, wow. That's good to know. Aside from the fact that you're the most opposite of every aspect of Lucy Lawless.

50:50Oti: You don't like my red hair. Just that big throbbing erection. That's the difference.

50:57KT: But, oh, everything. Everything. Lucy Lawless was everything to me growing up. And seeing her as Lucretia, knowing she's had kids and that's how she looks, good for her. I probably need to hit the gym, but I'm not going to. So good for you, Lucy Lawless. You look fucking ace. Yeah. Do you wanna talk about the sex scene between it wasn't even a sex scene. I think it was in the first or second episode where you had Batiatus and Lucretia, and they were getting wanked off by the slaves. You

51:31KT: know what's really funny? Because we've been together for a long time, and I can I can affirm that you were not conservative in that aspect? But when we were watching that just leading up to this episode, you were like, oh, do you think Romans were like that? Yes, motherfucker.

51:52Oti: I think I think the slaves were actually repeat what I said. We've moved back as a society.

51:59KT: Why not? Let everyone be sexually liberated.

52:04Oti: No. That's what I'm saying. Like, if if that's how people were back then, then what the fuck happened to us?

52:09KT: Okay. So is this your casting call? Or

52:17Oti: I'm just saying, mate. I'm throwing it out there. It's out in the ether.

52:22KT: Well, warts and all. There you go, guys. No warts and all. This was all a ruse for Oti's.

52:32Oti: Yeah. I'm impression I've been telling you, let's do sparaka so I can

52:37KT: slap You waited over 20 episodes and you're like, okay. This is the right time. Yeah. Oh, you have to be calculating as Oti Ashur. But,

52:49Oti: yeah, is there anything else you wanna talk about in terms of Lucretia and Batiatus?

52:53KT: I just wanna say that they were in the wordsmith of Sean Paul. They were stuck like glue. And wow. The fact that they were able to achieve so much. Again, we watched that first episode quite recently and we saw from Batiatus' ludus, he only had Crixus and Barca. Barca. That's it. That's all he had and Solonius had like six or eight guys. Solonius is such a shitty guy. The character development that had to go on.

53:31Oti: Yeah. But then again, as much as I did love them, they are pretty shitty people when you come to Tinkoa. Totally. I wouldn't want them at our dinner party. Like, they made all the effort to bring Sura back to Spartacus only to kill her a few minutes before Spartacus actually met her.

53:48KT: We mentioned spoilers. Didn't yeah. We did. Yeah. We did. Okay. Because that's a big one.

53:56Oti: It was ridiculous.

53:58KT: Oh, totally.

54:00Oti: It really was, wasn't it?

54:02KT: Can we let's talk about Solonius because I feel like we won't be able to. Avi, actually, looking at this now, we won't be able to cover all of the characters.

54:11Oti: That is quite clear. We'll cover the most important ones. Let's no. But let's talk about Solonius because you mentioned him. Let's talk about him. So Solonius and Solonius. Solonius and Batiatus were best friends. Yes. And I think it's always that dynamic where the person that knows you the most can be your worst nemesis. Mhmm. Just like Tupac and Biggie. You know?

54:33KT: You did mention that, but I wasn't sure whether you're say it on the podcast, but there you It's it's just like people can make it. Mhmm. People, both are too proud to admit. Who's who, actually? Since you brought that comparison up, who's who? Oh, Batiatus would be Tupac for sure. Actually. He'd be Tupac. No. But there were instances where Tupac was a bit, like, carefree. Yeah. Right?

55:00Oti: Actually, no. You continue. You continue. Yeah. I reckon I reckon Batiatus would be Tupac and Solonius would be Biggie.

55:08KT: Okay. Is that our first Twitter poll?

55:13Oti: It's it's it's kind of insane. They're best friends and them actually just talking about their disagreement would actually solve all this was quite stupid. Yeah. So it's just the same thing as Super Configi. All this could have been avoided. Just fucking put your ass down on a seat and talk to each other. Totally. But yeah. So

55:36KT: So let's okay. Because let's I I definitely wanna pick up on two characters. And I feel like this isn't enough. If you aren't a satiated enough, if you are to the point of climax but you need a bit more, we won't be able to cover that all today. So let's just pinpoint two characters. I'm going to say who I think we should cover and you can dispute me. Okay. But as we know, I'm the reigning queen and king, thank you, of the For Your Reference household. Mhmm. So I wanna talk about

56:11KT: Varro and I wanna talk about Ashur. Do wanna talk about Oenomaus, but he's going to take like twenty minutes. And I do wanna talk about Gannicus. He's my motherfucking playboy. Can I just say, Gannicus is the Robbie Williams of the seventieth BCE?

56:28Oti: I reckon we should cover at least

56:32KT: no no Varro. Varro is fucking useless. Oh, come on. Okay. What? So we'll quickly talk about Varro, but then who are the other two you wanna talk about?

56:41Oti: So let me just say something about Ilithyia. Ilithyia is conniving. She's married to Glaber, who she trusts influence in Rome through her father.

56:52KT: But she knew her place. She knew that she was born privilege and she continued to operate in that way. That was more important to her than her marriage to Glaber.

57:02Oti: For sure. Yeah. But she's really conniving in such a way that I Oh, totally. It was the stuff. Money ball. She slept with a teenage boy. I don't even yeah. Teenage boy. Actually, wow. I forgot about that. To get him to to kill Varro, you know, it's it's fucking insane. The level of depth she went through Power of the pussy, my friend. And the worst bit is she got to survive it all just because she carried Spartacus' kid and threw that in his face.

57:31KT: Yes. And that was born out of the golden sex scene. Yeah. Not the shower, but the golden sex scene. And according to IMDb trivia, apparently they couldn't stop laughing throughout the whole take of that. But I think that's like I feel like we might have said this in another episode but I feel like you know how actors pretend like oh it's so technical. Technical. Nah, man. You fucking enjoyed that. Yeah. For sure. Right? For sure. Aside from the fact that you're a voyeur and there's like 30 plus

58:05KT: like members of the crew watching you, you can't tell me that you didn't get hard. And if you didn't get hard, you're probably insulting the actress. True.

58:15Oti: So we'll just talk about Oenomaus, Melita, and Gannicus because it's one of the most

58:15KT: Can I just say that was so wrong?

58:15Oti: It was wrong.

58:25KT: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like in the series, they showed us Oenomaus' backstory. They did. And then they showed us with the wife.

58:34Oti: Mhmm. Melita.

58:36KT: Melita. And then that's when we saw okay. At first, they had to do it because it was a sex order. They were forced. Yeah. Okay. But then, like any animalistic nature, they craved it again and again.

58:53Oti: Yeah. So for a a nondescript amount of years, they were fucking each other. Yeah. I guess once you get that black dick, of course, you can go back. That just disproves the point, doesn't it?

59:04KT: Gannicus Gannicus didn't have a black dick.

59:07Oti: Black dick. She was getting a black dick all along, and then she went on to be forced with Gannicus' and

59:13KT: on she went. I love how accepting you are because the connotation is once you get a black dick, you don't go back. But she kept going back to the white dick. That's why I said, like, I dis it disproved the point, didn't it? Are you advocating for all the dicks?

59:29Oti: I'm just saying, you know. Anyway,

59:32KT: we have Those those that are blessed go and help other people is what you're saying.

59:39Oti: Yeah. But that was fucked up. That was really fucked up. Because And the fact that they were also best friends

59:45KT: Yes. Oenomaus and Gannicus. Added, like, extra disgusting skeeviness.

59:52Oti: I reckon the first minute they were forced, just go to Oenomaus and be like, hey, dude. Nah. They're forced to sleep with each other because they know their place. They know their place as slaves fast.

60:02KT: The first pump, it was all over.

60:05Oti: He didn't last that long either. Yeah. I know they How did they were giving each other glances as well.

60:05KT: But I'm telling you, my Gannicus was the Robbie Williams of seventy one BCE.

60:17KT: Or probably before because Gannicus was a champion before that.

60:20Oti: But Plus he's the only Sparta It's the thrill. He's the only gladiator that was actually freed due to his victories in the arena.

60:27KT: Yes. And can we talk about it? Because the first time that Spartacus came into ludus, what did Oenomaus say? What is beneath your feet?

60:38Oti: Sand?

60:42KT: What's the right answer?

60:43Oti: The blood of those who were before you.

60:47KT: And then Oenomaus continues on a speech of, you know, you need to fuck it. Well, actually, no. He said that you need to caress it and you need to fuck it, but that's a bit too much for the Oenomaus character.

61:00Oti: I don't think he such a gentle no. But he was such a gentle soul. A gentle soul. He really was a gentle soul. And he wanted to believe the best in Batiatus. And the fact that when he learned that Batiatus was actually bad and was involved in the killing of Barca. Yeah. Yeah. That just stunned him all around. Actually, yes. And when the whole uprising and I and I love the fact that Sura's last words were always kill them all. Oh, motherfucker.

61:27Oti: You can sploosh. You can ejaculate right now because that is the crescendo, my friends. Yeah. And it kept on playing on Spartacus' head. Like, kill them all. Kill them all. Kill them all. All the Romans, all the enemies just killed. Like, it was such an a crescendo of a moment in the series. Oh, totally.

61:46KT: And everything and you just Kill them all. Kill them all. Kill them. All. All. All. Exactly.

61:53Oti: And you just wonder whether or not Crixus would fall into play on Oenomaus because those are the strongest people in the arguably the strongest people in the arena. Oenomaus went through some motherfucking shit. He did. He was in what they call the pits.

62:08KT: So it wasn't even the ludus where they have, hi. Nice to meet you. I am shaking your hand, sir. Carry some wood and train. Because that was quaint. Compared to what Oenomaus had to go through, he was in the motherfucking pits, and that's where he met Theokoles.

62:28Oti: No. That's where he met Batiatus. No. But it is his father. He met Theokoles in the actual arena, and that's how he got all his marks and scars. Mhmm. And he couldn't fight anymore, and he was put to be the trainer.

62:42KT: Your will? My hands. Fucking sploosh mountain. Yeah. We're not about being subservient in the For Your Reference household. If you've listened to more than one episode, you would know that we're not a subservient motherfuckers except except for Oti sometimes. But he fucking loves it.

63:02KT: You fucking love it.

63:04Oti: But Oenomaus, man, he deserved the world. He did. He really did. His storyline, he's been battling for everything that he's had. Totally. And the fact that his best friend will betray him and the fact that he would get actual to be the actual Doctore, he couldn't believe it. So he was loyal to a fault until he realized that everything he was serving and everything he believed were all a facade. Mhmm. And the minute he realizes that he helped or he let Spartacus just run rampage on everyone in Rome.

63:41KT: As a man in 2019, Oenomaus was a very honorable man. However, however, how do you satiate your needs to spill your seed? I'm asking you directly, Oti.

64:00Oti: What do you mean by that?

64:04KT: For science. I'm asking you, you need to spill your seed, but your wife isn't there. What do you do?

64:09Oti: Oenomaus loved Melita so much. He just stayed like that. He didn't just spill his died. Melita died. So what have you been doing all those years? Bloody just used my fucking hands. I'm not gonna find another whore to spill my seeds into.

64:25KT: Well, I'm I'm glad that I'm your only whore. I know my place. Good. You know yours, you fucking sub.

64:36Oti: I know. It's just

64:39Oti: amazing dynamic. And we need to talk about Ashur just because

64:44KT: We didn't even talk about Varro properly. Oh, fuck Varro. No. I just wanna mention that Varro is an idiot because he was a free man.

64:52Oti: But he had debts. He had to pay the debts somehow.

64:56KT: Whatever. Hello, Jai Courtney. If you would like to come on to this podcast, you're most welcome. We don't know why you kept picking up these teeny bopper movies, but we know through Spartacus that you actually have emotional range. So go back to that. Again, if you want to set the record straight with our handful of listeners, we'll be more than welcome to have you on our show. But I know, KT from the For Your Reference podcast in 2019,

65:28KT: I know that you have depth to you and you have way more to offer than whatever the fuck you did in that Suicide Squad. Let's move on.

65:38Oti: True. I'm not gonna even add anything to that. But just talking about Ashur because he played such a pivotal role in Spartacus. He was the grimiest person you could ever meet. Like,

65:50KT: I can't think of any movie or any TV show that had the most disgusting, grimy, most self interest driven character. I cannot think of anyone other than Ashur.

66:05Oti: Yeah. He he played his role to perfection. I feel like part of him is is like that in real life. Oh, yeah. Totally.

66:14KT: Because you know, actors talk about, you know, putting on a frack and dancing, but you know you know most of it is based on how they are in real life.

66:24Oti: For sure. And he or the minute he tries to turn what's her name? Batiatus' wife? Lucretia.

66:24KT: Lucretia. Lucy Lawless motherfucker.

66:37KT: He tries to You will recognize her in our household. How dare you?

66:42Oti: She he makes Lucretia have sex with him. Yeah. It was pretty much rape but yeah. It's just It was rape. Yeah.

66:52KT: He is the most disgusting. Because there was more than one. It was rape. Yeah. He is really really Can we also point out that in one of the first episodes of season one that Ashur was talking to Crixus being like, oh, Spartacus is an idiot. And Crixus is like, you should be in there. We said you fucking idiot. Yes. So everyone doesn't like respected. Yeah. He was not But like a cockroach through nuclear wars, he found a way to survive.

67:21Oti: For sure. For sure. And the fact that he actually survived that long Gross. He managed to stab Batya Oenomaus when he wasn't looking, took Oenomaus' eye when they're on the verge of escaping.

67:34KT: I was not ready for that. How dare you, you motherfucker. I was not fucking ill, man. That hurts.

67:39Oti: Yeah. That was really grimy stuff there.

67:43KT: For some reason I thought Gannicus would be Oenomaus' downfall but maybe that was more of my feels.

67:50Oti: But then again he also was involved in getting Naevia He always Crixus' relationship out to Lucretia. Lucretia? Lucretia.

68:03KT: You even up till now, how dare you? Sorry.

68:07Oti: Lucy? I didn't watch Xena: Warrior Princess.

68:11Oti: I didn't watch it at all.

68:11KT: But you watch Hercules, you fucking dick. Lucy Lawless, I am appealing to you as an impressionable little girl. If you ever wanna come onto this podcast, I will change it. I will call it For Your Lucy Lawless. Okay? And we'll kick Oti out. Because what the fuck, man? Pay your respects. We love Lucy Lawless. No. No. Too late. Too late. But coming back to Ashur, he is the most disgusting character that I have ever come across in a TV show or in a movie. What the fuck?

68:52Oti: Yeah. For sure. He is he is beyond even describing. Like, he's

68:58KT: Even if he shows a kindness to you, like in the earlier episodes where he gave Andy a piece of bread and Andy shared that with Varro,

69:06Oti: you knew he was coming back to collect that thing. Yeah. It's Nah. It's all self-serving. Oh, totally. Totally. It's all self-serving. He doesn't do anything out of the goodness of his heart.

69:16KT: You guys, if you want us to do a bonus episode, let us know because we have so much to say. Fucking hell, man. But that Ashur character, what is that? Like, that fully, like, transformed my life in all of the ways that you could ever be transformed.

69:34Oti: For sure.

69:35KT: For sure. Fucking hell. Jesus Christ. Nick E. Tarabay, you are a Marvel oh, sorry. You are a DC to all. If you'll pardon the Arrow who Manu is also in. Manu. Yeah. Is how my people say it. Wow. What a series. I feel like we did in inflections talk about previous series but we were really focusing on the first and second season. Yeah. There's so much to cover. There is so much to cover in this. There's so much depth that went into this series. According to the creator, Steven,

70:21KT: he could have gone five seasons, but it was up to Starz to cut it off at three seasons. How weird is that? Because you're you're the leading show in Starz. Right? And then you just stop?

70:33Oti: Sometimes it's better to stop while you're at the top. You reckon? I reckon. Plus, it was going downhill somewhat in the third season.

70:33KT: Because of Liam McIntyre.

70:33Oti: Not because of Liam McIntyre.

70:33KT: Yeah. Whatever. Come on now. I'll fight you. Let's

70:50KT: let's talk about Other Starz series. They might coming up For Your Reference, but they might not. But they're coming up on our erections right now. So let's say Power is in its last season. Yeah. Motherfucker. Yeah. Can we talk? Don't you worry. If if you guys are fan of the Ghost and the Tommy, we will definitely be covering that. Outlander?

71:13Oti: Yeah. I tried to get into that, but I just don't see the appeal. What is it? This isn't even for the podcast. I genuinely don't know what it is. The first time I heard about it, I thought, oh, Highlander. And I watched Highlander growing up, and I thought it was something similar. And then, you know, watch it. I like, what the fuck is this? But One word can make a difference.

71:32KT: Oh, American Gods, which we've recently started to as we call it, the reheat special. We've we've started to try and watch again.

71:42Oti: We have. We I fucking love.

71:45KT: Ian McShane, you're welcome to our podcast as well. We also have the Girlfriend Experience Mhmm. Black Sails, Ash versus Evil Dead. So there's been a lot, essentially. The I guess the whole point is there's been a lot that's come out of Starz, but Spartacus will also always shine the brightest.

72:08Oti: It really would. Like, they've done a lot of good things all there, but Spartacus definitely shines.

72:15KT: Definitely. And I think we've cut it off quite cleanly even though there's so many characters we need to cover off. But I would prefer that we just leave it instead of just haphazardly trying to cover them off. Yeah.

72:31Oti: So we do For Your Reference.

72:34KT: Hey. It's For Your Reference. Oteology gifers.

72:38Oti: So I would recommend Rome.

72:43KT: Nice.

72:43Oti: Actually, nice. Rome is quite good. And the fact that he was canceled after two seasons doesn't even make sense. It's a story about Pullo, who's a Roman soldier, and he just navigates with his best friend who's a commander. Can't remember his name right now, but it's such a good show. It's similar to Spartacus in the same setting and aesthetics. But So Vorenus is the main character. Vorenus. And then Pullo is the sidekick. Yeah. Well, we follow Pullo all the way. We're team Pullo. Oh, wow.

73:22KT: Yeah. We're team Pullo for the Gannicus of the show. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And it's weird that it got cut off so early because, hi, we've got an episode of Deadwood or Daddywood if you're nasty. And Deadwood was actually supposed to be set in ancient Rome. So it's quite sad that the actual Rome series that was being developed at that time got cut off quite short. Yeah. It should have went on for seasons. Yeah. For sure. Because there's a lot of history to be told. Mhmm. Right? But yes, I I endorse your recommendation, sir.

74:01Oti: Alright. What are you gonna recommend?

74:04KT: I will reference Zack Snyder's 300. Steven, the creator of Spartacus, also mentioned that the networks were trying to have a 300 esque sort of series. So that's why you'll see, especially in the pilot episode, how and I know people use this word left, right, and to your mother's asshole. But gratuitous is a word that has actual meaning. And the first episode of Spartacus, just like Zack Snyder, in some delicious morsels but also in a most real sense is gratuitous.

74:47Oti: Gratuitous. Yeah.

74:49KT: Just just by the fact that it was kind of slated to be that and Steven had to fight for the fact that it's like, actually, no. This story, this narrative is good enough as is. Let's continue the way that we're going right now. I would recommend that you watch 300 because you better believe it. Hold on to your strap ons and strap in because we will definitely cover 300 one of these days. Uh-huh. The battle of Thermopylae san, we are definitely going to cover it.

75:22Oti: Yeah. That's really good.

75:24KT: Thank you so much, guys. You know, like war, there were a lot of casualties we had along the way that we didn't cover, but we made it. We did. To the end of the episode. More so Blood and Sand and Gods of the Arena. But if you guys fucking love Spartacus and you wanna hear more about it, especially that 14 looking year old that was in that fucking sex scene,

75:52KT: let's get to it. But that's it for this week. Let's satiate you at least this much on Twitter and Instagram. We're @ForYourRefPod. And on email, can find us on hello@fyrpodcast.com. Thank you so much for your love. If you wanna find us on Apple Podcasts because you love us so much, please leave a rating and also a review. Hopefully, a five star, but, you know, the our world is in your hands just like the gladiators. And we'll see you next week. See you. Of Jupiter's cock.