New Jack City – The legend of Nino Brown

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0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household and it is another Quid Pro Mo, Oti.

0:06Oti: Oti.

0:07KT: We obviously have friends and lovers of differing, uh, quality and variety. Um, but some top tier fellow film podcasters that we love and have joined and championed the journeys together throughout the years is Hustle. Motherfucking Hustle. Shout outs to Brent and PJ did an episode, um, in 2019, um, which is so good and I was cackling and I just want to open the book of Home Video Hustle in, uh, the chapter of Brent. Black people know this movie, but if you don't know it, you're probably not black. Um, also it's our first Wesley Snipes in a lead capacity, Oti.

0:52KT: Well, slap me on my ass and call me daddy, wild. Let's get on with the show. Hey friends and pretty motherfucking lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT.

1:18Oti: Rippin

1:19KT: Beam me up, Scotty, as we are combinating and consolidating for our Cash Money Brothers. Get your Jimmy waxed with New Jack City this week.

1:31Oti: hoo.

1:33KT: Ooh, ooh, ooh. Oh, I'm very excited. How are you feeling, Oti?

1:39Oti: Same. It's been a while since we just did a full lap. So I'm ready.

1:43KT: Yeah, I'm very excited as well. Um, and we are dipping into the nineties general stats and information. This was released in January of 1991 director, the ever-lauded legendary Mario Van Peebles. And just to have a moment of flowers, obviously the iconic New Jack City. He also directed five episodes of Wu-Tang: An American Saga. Two episodes of Raising Kanan, one episode of Power, five episodes of Empire, four episodes of Being Mary Jane, one episode of Roots, and I guess for everyone else that's listening, he also directed on Lost, Sons of Anarchy and Law & Order.

2:29KT: In way of writers, we have Thomas Lee Wright, as well as Barry Michael Cooper, who has credits of Sugar Hill, the TV series She's Gotta Have It, as well as Above the Rim. Brent and Oti might be learning that finally, I'm not black.

2:49KT: Because Above the Rim is also, um, a film I need to watch as well as Juwanna Mann.

2:53Oti: Oh, bloody hell,

2:55KT: Curate your list, Oti. We ride at dawn.

2:59Oti: Oh.

3:00KT: Woo! hoo! Who, well, um, I guess let's obviously, um, as we always do, I do have themes that I definitely want to be able to discuss, um, before we get into the first impressions, I do just want to mention that the budget was 8 million with a world wide gross of 47.6 million, whether in addition or whether separate to what are your thoughts, my love first impressions.

3:26Oti: Oh, I love this movie. I think rewatching it after so many years, um, it almost felt sort of fresh. I'd forgotten a lot of

3:35Oti: Um, I really enjoyed the movie. I think it took me back. It stood, it stands the test of time. It's still entertaining. I think, um, it gave a very visceral exposition of the narcotics underbelly, fusing stark realism with narrative finesse. The protagonist portrayal impresses with an unorthodox blend of charm and menace. And I could not get enough of Wesley Snipes in this,

4:04KT: favorite role plays.

4:09Oti: Yeah, I know we'll get to your Omar Epps soon enough.

4:13KT: I didn't want to interrupt your, um, beautiful first impressions, but I just wanted to say, Scotty, help me. I'm gonna die.

4:23Oti: Ah, Chris Rock, man. That's, I think everyone just sees him as Pookie now. Just because of how iconic that role was.

4:31KT: I get the reference now because people would make references to him smoking crack and I'm like, okay, Hollywood's tough, I guess he was just preemptively getting ready for the slaps.

4:44Oti: Yeah.

4:48KT: Oh, but yeah, like obviously stacked cast. I absolutely had a yippee ki yay great time watching this film. New Jack City layers seasoning through charming characters, slick dialogue, and memorable visuals that propels the film into legendary status.

5:11Oti: Yee haw!

5:13KT: Oh, it was so fucking good. It was so fucking good. Um, you know, obviously we'll come to it. Actually, no, let's just go to the first thing that I have. It's called Hood Classics. Um, when I think of a great way of melding, you know, even a particular part of black experiences in the US I always hearken to Boyz n the Hood. I feel like New Jack City is on that same Mount Rushmore.

5:39Oti: Oh, it is. It's in the Bible of any movie that you want to watch that is amazing, that does tell a story, but still has some infuriating things that we'll get into. For some reason, it's slept on because it doesn't really make a lot of lists.

5:56KT: That's interesting because in our like film circles, whether it's black critics or otherwise, I'm always hearing about New Jack City. Like, it's not like I've never heard of the film.

6:07Oti: Hmm, strange, because there, there's some lists out there and I never really see,

6:12KT: They have Juice before New Jack City. really, we need to watch Juice again because I don't remember it being like, I just remember Omar Epps being like super, super Omar Epps. Um, but I, I wonder what it, how it holds today.

6:27Oti: Mmm, I don't know. I, yeah, just, I'm not so sure.

6:33KT: Oh, well, fair enough, fair enough. But, um, the way this film was able to weave in social commentary, you know, this is set in, you know, uh, the crack cocaine. Era. Um, I was even, you know, even talking about rest in love and peace about John Singleton, I was trying to figure out when Snowfall was set and Snowfall was set in 1983. New Jack City was set in 1986. So it's interesting to, you know, just let the imagination run wild in regards to, you know, like a showdown between the legend of Nino Brown and I guess the downfall of Franklin Saint. Oh, you know, I dabble.

7:14Oti: at you.

7:17KT: Um, there's actually, let's stay in hood classics for a bit. Is Baby Boy in your hood classics? Okay.

7:25Oti: Bro, Tyrese's pivotal role. It's, it's, it's, it's a must watch for the culture.

7:32KT: I see an embryo, I just see Tyrese So I want to go into the social commentary, um, in New Jack City. And I guess while we're here, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, pretty motherfucker, pretty motherfucker, pretty mother fucker. Also explicit warning, I guess, where have you been the whole time? But anyway, um, so let's get into social commentary. I particularly really enjoyed the way that. You know, the discussion or the exploration through characters in regards to the selling of the distributing of the effects into the community of drugs specifically in regards to crack, um, was explored in New Jack City.

8:16KT: I think, um, with a lesser pen, um, I guess with a unrefined lens, um, it can come off. I guess like oil and water, or it can, it can come off a bit preachy, but I never felt that's what was happening in this film.

8:32Oti: It does give a good portrayal of how drugs and the effect of drugs does to the community as well, and I

8:38KT: Did you feel it was preachy though?

8:40Oti: know, how Snowfall also showed us that, you know, the effects of drugs, but certain characters tried to be preachy about it. Um, this didn't feel like that. It left it to the, you know, audience to decipher that for themselves. I think that's what really worked so well with

9:00KT: Yeah, I absolutely agree. I also love the way that I guess it wasn't shouldering on the onus of the character sort of dialogue, um, and the dialogue is so much, so much, so much fun. I'm sure there are so many compilations, um, out there of not just Wesley Snipes, but a lot of the dialogue, um, throughout the film as well. But I really enjoyed the use of radio slash sort of archival footage in order to further sort of convey that I think even at The start of the film that we're talking about the levels of unemployment and throughout they talk about drug Lords, drug addicted babies and that sort of thing. So it really brings home, um, without, you know, crying in your face, like making it really sort of obvious it lives and breathes throughout the film.

9:46Oti: Oh, 100%. I think even them just depicting the battle the police have, in them trying to win the drug war. Um, I think it just showed how much of a problem it is and how much the systems that are in place or the political nature of the environment doesn't allow for that.

10:04KT: But it was absolutely done so well. Um, and yeah, there's a reason why even to this day with my KT Broflovski, um, sort of 2020s lens that I was keyed in to this film. The next theme that I have is street justice. Um, and this film opens up with, you know, dangling someone over a bridge. And I guess that's just to overemphasize Nino Brown. And I guess how 10 toes down, um, he is about his money and about his hustle. Um, but it's definitely a lot of fun. Well, I guess it depends on where you are and how you're watching it, but I was having a lot of fun.

10:53KT: I was like, yes, please.

10:55Oti: Wow. I, I took it as just showing how Nino was, uh, brutal. He really didn't suffer fools, nor did he even care to give people. A second chance, if he felt slighted in any way that meant the end, pretty much.

11:12KT: Yeah, are you my brother's keeper or not?

11:15Oti: No, but I think they're lions, you know, and I think that's what played a major role in Nino's downfall because he trusted very few people and he treated people like they were all expendable.

11:27KT: Yeah, but didn't everyone prove him right by not being loyal in the first place? I think we got two

11:33Oti: They weren't loyal because he wasn't loyal to them.

11:36KT: Yeah, but he's the leader. He's loyal to no one. Yeah, you're giving, I'm, I'm hoping for Nino Brown energy, but I'm getting Gee Money,

11:45Oti: unfortunately.

11:47KT: that was my girl, man! Hahaha, bruh, your girl was for everybody. You just didn't know it yet.

11:55Oti: No, you see, things like that, Nino needs to...

11:58KT: Brown was the usher of the day.

12:00Oti: Wow. Wow, look at you being topical. He needed to set boundaries, or at least make his, his two ICs feel as if they're respected to some

12:16KT: Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I don't think you would ever say that about Avon Barksdale. I don't think you would ever say that about Franklin and I definitely don't think you'd say that about Jamie St. Patrick.

12:28Oti: No, I'd say that pretty much about anyone.

12:30KT: What? That they need to be respectful to the people under

12:33Oti: respectful, like, let the people not be too, not feel like there's any way of progressing.

12:41KT: Okay, continue.

12:42Oti: We had, Avon treated people differently. He had a structure. People knew he was boss and yes, he didn't suffer fools, but then again, he didn't kill every second of the person just because he didn't go. He didn't go sleeping with Stringer's. Stringer's go there.

13:00KT: But, but Jamie St. Patrick would be exactly what you're saying. Avon isn't

13:04Oti: Jamie St. Patrick isn't, isn't, isn't into redheads because that's the only person Tommy would date. So that would never happen.

13:12KT: me to die,

13:28Oti: So, they built, they built this empire, the three of them. And, once he started, you know, getting more control, it stopped being we and started becoming I. I run this shit! Yeah, it was always I. Say that, uh, whisper that shit.

13:47KT: Okay. So it doesn't matter what it really is. You just don't want it to be said. You just don't want it to be polluted out in the publics. Is that what you're saying?

13:54Oti: is the people who will run for you.

13:58KT: Okay. Well, I guess this, this is the question then when Nino Brown says, am I my brother's keeper? Yes, I am. Are you saying that that's all lip service? And he doesn't believe that.

14:09Oti: He doesn't because he is not anyone's keeper.

14:11KT: why

14:13Oti: He's his own

14:14KT: would he say it?

14:15Oti: To make other people feel like they, you know what he should have said? All of you are my keepers. And that's it.

14:25KT: It was, it was Nino Brown, not Dictator Brown.

14:29Oti: He was giving auto energy from Belly.

14:32KT: You are forbidden for the rest of the year. In referencing Belly. Okay, Belly is a hood classic though. It is.

14:39Oti: this

14:40KT: Yes, I have some respect. Come on, we're

14:42Oti: video.

14:47KT: combinating and consolidating, Oti.

14:49Oti: We did. Uh, but I, I, I love Nino as a character, but he is super flawed and it led to his bloody downfall at the end of it. True.

15:10KT: Cause a crooked cop at some point just stays crooked. Um, speaking of Training Day, considered hood classic.

15:16Oti: Oh yeah, I think

15:18KT: So it's not necessarily just like in the hands of black people. It can be claimed in particular ways as well. Okay. Amen. Amen to the gospel of Oti. How about the same? Oh, there's so much. There's so much great dialogue. Like I am such a sploosh master for great dialogue. Um, the, the vulgar, the better. In my nasty places. Um, you know, I never liked you anyway, pretty motherfucker. Um, shout out to Clarence Royce of The Wire. Um, and he also said, I think in the same scene, sit your $5 ass down before I make change.

15:59Oti: Mm

16:00KT: Like, I love it. I absolutely loved it. But that was also a scene where his power and I guess his lack of brother's keepering was being put into

16:11Oti: Yeah, that was hilarious. He...

16:15KT: He's so fucking charming. He's so Wesley Snipes? Pre Evasion Snipes? Ooh! I guess I only got to know the Wesley Snipes from 30 Rock, but wow. What? Um, what, what, what? A time in cinema, you know, I love my Kaluuya's. I love my Boyega's. Um, but there was something, there was something about Wesley Snipes, especially in this film.

16:45Oti: Mm. Yeah. He carried himself differently. And even when he, like you said, when you're saying, you know, beating his own people indiscriminately.

16:55KT: Oh, that's not what I said. And I'm pretty sure the first casualty at the start of the film was a white man. Shoutouts to Brent, Home Video Hustle. He said that they reversed the, um, the black movie trope. And in this case, the first person to die was a white person.

17:14KT: Speaking of white people, Nick Peretti, um, Judd Nelson. I only ever think of his face in The Breakfast Club. So it was interesting to see him there. But, um, one of his quotes was, is this one of those black things?

17:31Oti: One of his character was quite good to see. Cause the push and pull, they hated each other's guts. Um, they didn't really want to understand each other, even though they had so many similarities. But at the end, it all came in together and it just worked top to bottom.

17:48KT: Um, in The Wire as well. He's also in a courtroom having a similar sort of sentiment as well, but this is Nino Brown. I'm not guilty. You're the one that's guilty. The lawmakers, the politicians, the Colombian drug Lords, all who lobby against making drugs legal, just like he did with alcohol during the prohibition, you're the one who's guilty. I mean, come on, let's kick the ballistics here. Ain't no Uzis made in Harlem. Not one of us in here owns a poppy field. This thing is bigger than Nino Brown. This is big business. This is the American way.

18:34Oti: Yeah, this is also the way the government used to, you used to put black neighborhoods down. So, so we can't pretend that, A, Nino is the root cause. He does everything bad. He, he made himself. They'll put someone else up.

19:01Oti: The drugs will still come in. Because there's too much, too much money to be had. And when there's too much money to be had, no one fucking cares about the people. They'll always find a way. They'll always find some shit like that to happen. And it's just how the world works. So we can't look at Nino and say, he's the problem. No, that's just the system showing itself.

19:22KT: Why, thank you, Furious, Oti. And that's why I draw the parallels between New Jack City, um, and Boyz n the Hood, because there are ways to be able to explore that inner film. Um, and it was absolutely explored in that. We never talk about ratings, but I honestly don't see how this isn't a perfect film, Oti. Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Um, Cash Money Brothers, you reckon?

19:47Oti: CMB.

19:50KT: Oh, the brotherhood was very interesting. Um, we had the Duh Duh Duh Man, like he's literally credited as the Duh Duh Duh Man. Um, I think, I think he was, he was trying to insult or he was trying to say something. And obviously Nino Brown was telling him to stop or sit down before he had a seizure. Do you think that doesn't get made today? Yeah. But do you think it's OK to giggle at it?

20:21Oti: Yeah, that it, but doesn't make it right.

20:24KT: But even when he said mad

20:30Oti: Oh, the brotherhood. That was intriguing. Because you could see that, how much it hurt Nino killing Gee Money. Like, they've been together since they were kids.

20:41KT: Okay. Okay, so you're having a change of heart because you were saying he was all for himself.

20:46Oti: He was. Well, he had feelings but at the end of the day he thought Gee Money was a liability and had to take him out.

20:53KT: Was Between you and I, he was kind of a

20:57Oti: Sleep with your best friend's girl and see how that happens.

21:00KT: But as Usher said himself, don't leave your girl around me, true player for real. Oh, wow. Help me, I'm gonna die. It's his voice as well. Like, he was in a very dire situation. But Chris Rock's voice is not to be taken seriously. There's a reason why he was casted as the zebra.

21:33Oti: Yup.

21:35KT: I'm gonna die! And he looks straight into the camera as well.

21:43Oti: Man, that camera had some ridiculous angles. He was walking with his pelvis up to get that angle. He was grinding forward. Oh, wow.

22:02KT: Um, I want to talk about a couple of quotes, um, that I guess in and of itself are their own themes. This is Nick Peretti, Judd Nelson. I only ever think of him as The Breakfast Club. So it was interesting to see, um, him in this and he was, okay. So I said, I feel like this film is perfect and I still stand by that, but his character was a bit lackluster. Um, I didn't necessarily care for him because he didn't necessarily have the same level of. I guess dimension that the other characters had. He was always a bit cagey, I guess is my point. Um, but he did have an interesting quote and it was this, drugs ain't a black thing or a white thing. It's a death thing.

22:46KT: Death don't give a shit about color. Actually, no, it, I guess that whenever it was about his character, it was preachy.

22:53Oti: He was Kyle. He was pretty much the Kyle of this. Um, but then again, you could see that he's also been through it.

23:02KT: Yeah. Yeah. But we only really saw that dimension at the end of the film.

23:06Oti: Yeah, they gave me the Belly treatment.

23:08KT: Oh, stop. Didn't I just ban you?

23:12Oti: I've invoked it twice. I'll stop. Well, it's true. Um. No, no, no, no. Hear me When you zoom out enough, it's true.

23:24Oti: If you stay within the realms of this movie, and in the neighborhoods This movie is talking about it is a black thing. It is a black death thing.

23:37Oti: It doesn't really, we could see even when in Snowfall, they were, they were, they were restricting that shit. They were restricting where that is distributed, where the crack is distributed.

23:48KT: Oh, you're moving your block down? Yeah, we're going to

23:51Oti: Exactly. So let them do whatever they, you know, let's, let's supply it within this. Bounds and nothing else. So whilst while you zoom out enough, it is a death thing, but no, we don't live in a world where it's just not a black or white thing. It is a black death

24:09KT: Friends and lovers, you know, I come with that hot fire, but Oti is the blue flame. If you read between the lines, he's saying it more than I'm saying it. Well, yeah, I think, um, like not, not to take away from the experience of Nick Peretti's character, but that's not, that doesn't equal that.

24:32KT: Um, but yeah, I just like, if, if he was going to, if that was going to be the angle of his character, I think this is really my only baby qualm, um, in this film was it should have been built throughout the film. He was kind of just a gruff, you know, I'm such a rebel. I don't care about anything. I'm such a burnout, you know, sort of character. And then he comes at the end and he's like, Oh, I've got all of this wealth to offer. And it's like, I actually don't want it.

25:02Oti: But didn't you feel, um, Scotty's character also didn't really give much in terms of emotional...

25:10KT: But I don't think he was there for that. I think it was more the retribution in regards to him and Pookie. I think that was more of the angle of Scotty's character. Pookie's a slippery motherfucker. When we first see him at the start of the film, he was just, he was, he was fiending for a crack.

25:28Oti: Yeah, but how many people do this, near a person with dreads did you see in this entire movie? Scotty has been walking out here with dreadies. Undercover and no one knows he's a cop. He's been arresting people in the streets, shooting people.

25:46KT: have to do with anything?

25:48Oti: how do you not remember someone who's dready out there? When everyone else has a fade.

25:53KT: Ha ha ha ha ha! Maybe Billy Ocean had a b side cover. Caribbean king, Ice-T in his dready locks.

26:04Oti: Man shot Pookie out in the street, people came around

26:08KT: I don't think I even thought to think if there were other dreadlocks there. Did you?

26:13Oti: I I was looking

26:15KT: Did you do a theme?

26:16Oti: do you forget to see you? How, how do you No, no, no, man. He didn't even try to disguise yourself.

26:22KT: No, I agree with everything. It's just interesting that you focused on the dreadlock component. Um, but that's, but that's okay. It's for your dreadlocks, friends and lovers.

26:32Oti: No, but,

26:33KT: But you're right. Like the fact that he didn't get noticed because, you know, interestingly enough, we've been diving back into our perhaps hood classics bag. Um, and we were watching LL Cool J be God. So literally every day in every film, but in specifically In Too Deep. Um, and we also watch Brooklyn's Finest as well. Um, And in both movies, uh, you know, it had instances of, like, being undercover, right? And, like, even while watching them, I was like, this doesn't make sense, like, you kind of have to at least catch a plane to be undercover.

27:09KT: Because how are you gonna go to the grocery store and then they see you there?

27:13Oti: Yeah.

27:14KT: Um, I have a question for you, Oti. And this is you as a man, this film as men, do you feel like this film was for women? Especially when Nino Brown was saying, cancel that bitch. I'll buy another one.

27:31Oti: Yeah, I think so.

27:33KT: was really mean to his girlfriend.

27:35Oti: she was getting into with

27:40KT: Wow.

27:41Oti: I'm just saying. She was just getting in with Nino.

27:45KT: We are on different sides of the internet, Oti.

27:47Oti: No, you cannot, you cannot say Nino is, is this badass man that he can, he can, he can, he can treat, he can kill indiscriminately. He can treat his. But he can treat his CMB bros however he wants and then oh when it comes to the wifey he has to create this different persona

28:09KT: Do you not understand what toxic masculinity is? That's exactly what you're describing.

28:16Oti: throughout. It doesn't matter. His toxicity isn't discriminating

28:20KT: but his toxicity isn't a question. It's yours, sir.

28:23Oti: was pretty clear to me that Nino Brown don't get down for the dinner. Wow.

28:28KT: I was, it was pretty clear to me that Nino Brown don't get down for the women's, like that was clear. You were, you were in the heat of the court, sir. I was talking about You were like, these bitches,

28:46Oti: they

28:47KT: going to die.

28:48Oti: the best!

28:54KT: Speaking of the top bitch, respectfully, um, shout out to Vanessa Williams of Candyman fame. Keisha, Keisha really held it down.

29:03Oti: Oh, she did. Oh, yeah, she was great. It was sad to see how she ended up, but

29:08KT: No one really fared well

29:10Oti: no one fit exactly. There's only one way out.

29:16KT: Um, unless there's anything else you want to talk about, um, I want to focus on this quote, I think it was the priest or if it was just an old man, but he said, you're killing your own people with the little white devil you put in to that tube.

29:29Oti: It's the truth. Um, he's peddling these drugs within his community, within his neighbourhood. And it is having adverse effects on society. So, whether or not he is being brought up because of the effect of the system, it doesn't matter at the end of the day. It

29:48KT: matter or does it not matter? Because you zoomed out earlier with your lens.

29:52Oti: I zoomed out and I can zoom back in it shows that you can't the duality of him trying to be the provider for his society for his community and yet he's the same person that's uh peddling the drugs that's killing the people and that's why we got so

30:11KT: thought you said, Hey man, the drugs are going to come in anyway, man, what happened to that Furious?

30:18Oti: What happened to that make a stand and say no. You're sounding like a

30:26KT: like the Key & Peele Mr. T.

30:29Oti: C.

30:29KT: make fun of another man's haircut.

30:32Oti: bit of E. K. K. A. Yeah, true. Uh, you know, like He's, he's out giving the community food and all that. Fine. That's all good. You know, but then he's the one that's taking up the entire building, you know, and, and peddling drugs within

30:50KT: to it as Beirut, calling it like an in prison sort of situation.

30:55Oti: So you can't, you can't, you can't disconnect those two.

31:01KT: So you but I'm not here to criminalize individuals on systemic, deliberate structures.

31:07Oti: I hear you, but

31:08KT: Relinquish your hotel, Pat Tumiyoti. I don't know. Cause it's like, even when we watch like documentaries, whether it's in Africa, whether it's in Asia, um, and you focus on like, you know, the poorest people, when, when it comes campaign time and politicians go out and they hand out notes to people, that's the immediate need being addressed. Correct. So, albeit corruption, albeit, um, lasting damage to the community, there still is an immediate need. And for the most part, no one's really talking about politics if they're just trying to get their family fit. I'm just not here to point the blames. There's all I'm saying.

31:52Oti: No, I'm not gonna point the blame, but...

31:55KT: Are you sure? You've got to,

31:57Oti: But you've gotta, you've gotta... At least acknowledge there's, there's a juxtaposition there, where you can't have these two things whilst they can both be true, they are at conflict with each other, and we can't just ignore What if you're a ridiculous bastard. Checkmate,

32:19KT: You're a ridiculous person. Friends and lovers, I think that's game, set, match. I think I win.

32:28Oti: Oh, is that what this is

32:30KT: Well, you also win, Oti, because this is the most urban we've been for a while. I can feel my Uncle Ruckus... growing. Oh, man, it felt good to dive back into older films,

32:57Oti: it does. It does. It, it, it, it, this movie particularly covered so much, um, uh, societal issues that still plague a lot of the communities, you know? And where does it end? Where does it stop? Who knows? They'll continue to be a lot more Ninos. There'll be Scotties that try to make it right based off their personal experiences. But at the end of the day, it has changed us to happen at the top. to bottom, man.

33:27KT: Ooh, hoo, hoo. Thank you friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. We're going to finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference. BMF.

33:39Oti: We're going to reference BMF

33:42KT: Whoa, you, you're modern urban.

33:47Oti: Because if Nino doesn't remind you of Meech, I don't know who will.

33:53KT: Okay. All right. Um, I'm obviously going to reference Boyz n the Hood. If you'd like to tell us your hood classics on Twitter, Instagram, and Spill, we're @ForYourRefPod.

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34:15Oti: BADADA!

34:17KT: Gonna die.