Baby Boy – The Main Yvette

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1:25KT: Hello, friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You've got your host, KT.

1:25Oti: And Oti.

1:25KT: And keep your unstable creatures in check, cause it's all about the guns and butter, baby. Mhmm. Yes, indeed. We are covering the 2001 Baby Boy. You're just a baby boy. Oti's the real McCoy. You know it. So let's just quickly get into the stats. John Singleton, may he rest in forever love and peace. Oh, love him. Director, writer.

1:57KT: I definitely wanna have a love fest about John Singleton, whether we do that now or just throughout the series. A fucking legend. He really is, isn't he? Just just so great in every way. There's there's definitely the greats out there. There's definitely the lesser known that are out there. But John Singleton definitely deserves all of the love and all of the praise. And his, like, his work is forever immortalized in film. Oh, agreed. And also in TV series with Snowfall most recently. And how dare us not even cover Snowfall yet?

2:31Oti: We'll definitely cover it. I'm sure maybe. Oh, yeah. We'll definitely cover it. But

2:36KT: yeah. So definitely much love and respect to John Singleton, and I do hope we continue

2:41KT: the Splooshies.

2:41Oti: Yeah. And I really like the way he covers the sort of themes in his movies. Yeah.

2:48KT: There there was depth and there was dimension beyond the struggles of the characters. You know, you talk about Baby Boy, talk about Poetic Justice, Boyz n the Hood, and again, most recently was Snowfall. Amazing. And also Four Brothers on some level, I guess, if well, maybe that's an excuse to rewatch it again. But, you know, when you think about the classics Yeah. It's Boyz n the Hood. Yeah. It's not comparable. Yeah. Right? Like, I shouldn't diss one from the other, but I'm just saying, like, up with the greats. So again,

3:17KT: love and love and love John Singleton and his works. And I'm glad we can continue to you know, the work can live on in podcast episodes. Oh, yeah. However small and loving they may be. Let's just quickly go over the cast. We have Tyrese Gibson. Mhmm. Usually, we just rattle off the cast, but I need to I need to say something. You know, recently with the Fast and the Furious franchise, you know, Tyrese kind of not necessarily canceled, but he kind of digged his own little hole with

3:46KT: with all of his livestreams and that sort of stuff. But, man, talking about the Four Brothers, what can a Tyrese do for me? Nada. He can do nada to me. But I guess we'll leave it for the first impressions. But we have Tyrese Gibson, Taraji P. Henson, Ving Rhames, and also Snoop Dogg because he's on the cover. So we might as well mention him as well. Mhmm. So let's quickly dive into our first impressions of the movie.

4:13KT: Do you wanna start this time? Oh, look here. Yep. So I guess continuing along the theme of KT hasn't watched any fucking thing. I've never watched Baby Boy.

4:13Oti: Oh, shock. Shock, shock, shock.

4:13KT: I I don't know why I never watched it. I just never did.

4:13Oti: Well, there are a lot of other things that I'm more surprised you haven't watched other than Baby Boy.

4:13KT: Speaking of, go and listen to our Godfather episode. I I knew it was there, but I never really I never really watched it. I I didn't even know what it was about,

4:45KT: really. I guess I know now. Watching the movie, there there's so much layers. There's so much to unpack in this cute little two hours and ten minutes, and we're definitely going to get into it. But Jody is a fucking problem. He is a fucking problem. Yes. I watched it in 2020, but even when it came out in 2001,

5:06KT: you were too fucking old, man. Like, I thought maybe he was kind of still in high school on his way out of high school, but he was a whole 20 years old. He was a grown man then. Right? So let's let's I guess, you know, we we can talk about it when we actually talk about the film, but how you gonna act like that?

5:26KT: Come on, Tyrese. What are you doing to me? I fucking loved Tyrese before this. Can I just say? Oh, yeah? I never thought I never thought Tyrese whispering, I promise, promise, between a woman's legs would get me angry by fucking adults. That

5:40KT: scene

5:41KT: will get to that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's a lot. There's definitely a lot to talk about in this fucking movie. But do you wanna go with your first impressions, Oti? And specifically what I wanna know is so this came out in 2001. I wanna know when you watched it. Obviously, you watched it when you were in Kenya. What was the phenomenon like? And did it change watching it in 2020?

6:00Oti: Yeah. So this is my second time watching it.

6:00KT: Second only?

6:00Oti: Yeah. Second only.

6:00KT: You you talk about Black Tacks a lot, but I feel like I feel like you should have watched it way more than that then.

6:00Oti: Yeah. I watched it back then when it came out, and I can't rewatching

6:15Oti: it today, I couldn't understand why the hell my fucking parents let me watch this movie.

6:15KT: You watched this with your family?

6:15Oti: Yeah. It was like a Saturday Night movie or some shit.

6:15KT: Yikes. Friends and lovers, if you have been listeners of our podcast for a while, especially in the earlier episodes, I would joke about, you know, Oti's family being too familiar and watching Tip Drill together. So just know that my jokes are founded in truth.

6:40Oti: But I don't know. All I remember is I really didn't like Melvin. I didn't know understand why it was all up in Jody's grill. Do people still say that?

6:40KT: I think they do. They definitely said it in 2001, so you're safe.

6:40Oti: Yep. Yep. That's the reference I was talking about. Vomit. But it's it's rewatching it is just I was more intrigued by your reactions to Jody then. It just shocked me that I couldn't remember him being such a bloody scrub.

7:09KT: Yeah. Like, I without any reference of being in or visiting America, I feel like Jody was the definition of a scrub. But he wasn't he wasn't sitting in the passenger side of his best friend's ride. He was sitting in his girlfriend's ride. Mhmm. Jesus.

7:28Oti: Yeah. And I think I really didn't understand it when I watched it. Because it was just a movie. Was just a movie to watch. It just a movie to watch, and I think it was a bit too deep in what tried to send as a as a message in to society. He was literally in a womb.

7:42KT: Yeah. In a whole womb.

7:42Oti: Like, it's it's really deep. It goes beyond surface level, and that's something that I completely missed the first time. And rewatching it, it gave me heavy Boyz n the Hood vibes.

7:42KT: Nice. Nice. Nice. And Well, I okay. I was gonna say, I wonder if a change in actor would change my mind about Jody. I I I I think I would have liked to see Morris Chestnut in this role.

7:42Oti: No. Tupac Tupac was also in mind for this, but unfortunately, he passed away before it. John Singleton had him in mind. That's why you have that big mural

8:10Oti: of Tupac, and you have the caluminati all up in your body. Tupac would have done well in this.

8:10KT: I wonder. I really wonder. You know, sometimes we wonder, you know, if if a different actor did it, would we feel a different way? I I don't know about Juice Tupac.

8:26Oti: I love Juice Tupac. You know what the difference is? I think Tyrese comes off more as

8:32Oti: he doesn't look like he he just seems a bit too whiny and Yeah. But that's what a baby boy would be. That's what a baby boy would be. And maybe he did it too perfectly because Tupac wouldn't portray necessarily that vibe. He would've brought a toughness to it. He would have brought a toughness to it. Yeah. And I think that's what the difference is because Tyrese really does get into your you know, under your skin and really just fucking

8:54Oti: pisses you off. And I don't think any other actor, at least not Tupac, would have done that.

8:54KT: My first the the first role that I ever saw Tyrese Gibson

9:03KT: acting because I never watched Fast and the Furious. So the first role I actually saw him in was with Josh Duhamel in Transformers. And I wish that was the first I wish that was the first and last role that I saw Tyrese act in. I I fucking love him as a singer. Yeah. But I don't know. I it was weird to have him in this role. I don't think there would be anyone that would give me redeeming qualities because Jody was a fucking Yeah. Jody yeah. In every way.

9:31Oti: But, yeah, Tyrese Tyrese, I I don't know. I don't know. But we love you, Tyrese, but I don't know. Agreed. And I think he's really this movie is really underrated in my opinion. Really? I I I really think so. I feel like it needs to get more sort of recognition for what it does and what it tries to say than it actually messaging. Yes. The messaging and and and the acting. I think this is one of the best Taraji Taraji's

9:57KT: Oh, yes.

9:57Oti: Work to date.

9:57KT: Oh, yes. This was like Cookie 0.1.

10:01Oti: Nah. Cookie Cookie level is is crap. I think Taraji just got I think she got too big, and I don't know what she's doing in Empire. That's just some really

10:11KT: I don't know about that. That's more Empire than her, really. But this movie,

10:16Oti: I think this is just where Taraji is shot off.

10:20KT: It looks like it's one of her first film roles as well. It says that she's she was in a TV movie called Satan's School for Girls. How's Satan? Oh, yes. Yeah. Preferly?

10:32Oti: Preferly? Preferly. Just let her roll.

10:35KT: Sweetpea, preferably. I know. Oh, Taraji did very well. She did very well in this movie and I felt all all of the feels that I needed to feel with her. But let's finish off with your first impressions. This came out in 2001. Did you watch it in 2001? Was it big in Kenya?

10:35Oti: It was big in Kenya, and I did watch it in 2001.

10:55Oti: And I I told you my frame of reference back then was just I loved Tyrese. I loved his music, and I just was there for him, to be honest. Because he had already had his music career going at this point. Right? Yeah. And this is even before I watched Boyz n the Hood. So me rewatching it this time, and I'm like, oh. Interesting. Right? Interesting. Very interesting. Yeah. You could definitely talk you could definitely tell this is John Singleton's work.

10:55KT: Oh, and it's so sweet because we were talking about

11:20KT: you know, because when you see, like, California, you think, like, the big palm trees, and I immediately thought of Snowfall. I know that's a stupid thing to say, but I did. And looking at Sweetpea, he reminded me of Franklin's best friend Leon in Snowfall

11:35KT: as well. But let's go back. Let's go back. So it it was big in Kenya. You watched it pretty much at the time. How did it feel watching it again?

11:35Oti: Oh, it felt completely different. I think I enjoyed it in such a deep level. Right? Yeah. And After being through some shit. After living through some shit. Exactly. And Jody didn't bother me as much as he did.

11:35KT: Oh, fuck off. He

11:52KT: he can fuck himself off with a 10 foot pole.

11:52Oti: No. He was crap. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that he was it just didn't bother me as much, but I enjoyed it. I really did. And seeing Omar Gooding, Hangin' with Mr. Cooper was so big, and I loved him as Earvin. And then what was it? Was it? Smart Guy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Taraji was on there as well. I didn't really know Taraji back then. So it was just Tyrese,

12:17Oti: Omar Gooding, and You Hard Me.

12:17KT: And Snoop.

12:17Oti: For some reason, it wasn't it wasn't marketed as that. Was like

12:17KT: But he's on the actual poster. Omar Gooding's not on the poster.

12:17Oti: I seem like I missed that poster back then then. Yeah. Like the bootleg. Like, the DVDs that were

12:17KT: by the way, John Singleton had a cameo, so maybe John Singleton was selling them in Kenya. Yeah. Maybe.

12:36Oti: For, like, 5 shillings. Yeah. Knowing exactly how his movie will be distributed.

12:40KT: Damn, dawg. That's some Boondocks shit right there. But what a movie. Like you mentioned, there were definitely a lot of layers in the movie as well. I definitely want us to talk through that as well. It was interesting. It was interesting the way they were able to balance light and also shade, especially throughout. I wouldn't even say that Jody had character development in this movie. The moments that I had Joy when Jody was on scene was the actually, handful amounts of comeuppance he got through the movie.

13:16KT: Because, you know, a lot of the time, you'll be watching the protagonist talk shit, do shit, and they don't get hit. But in this case, Jody got his comeuppance quite a few times, and I definitely enjoyed that. But let's start off with the opening scene. I think Jody was mentioning some sort of psychotherapist. I don't know if he said that he went to one or if he read about one or if he was reading about one. And they talked about how men kind of aren't men, and and they don't really grow into full capacity.

13:47KT: They call their partners mamas. They call their friends Boys. And where do they sleep? The crib. So there's definitely, you know, some parallels that we have that we know is being set up and it's going to be exemplified through the movie. And I guess one of the interesting things is, yes, the messaging, but also the way that you decide to package it and, you know, filter it out through the movie. It wasn't done in a very subtle way. It was quite

14:13KT: it was quite on surface, which there's nothing wrong with that. It kind of felt like I was watching, like, a National Geographic dissertation about African American men and their shortcomings, ergo through Jody specifically. It was interesting to see that because maybe I wouldn't even say maybe. It was a lot of shock value. Yeah. Because what movies did you have in 2001 of a whole ass chocolatey ass Tyrese Gibson

14:42KT: in a a womb? Oh, yeah. Right? And I I I'll just say Ving Rhames isn't the only one that wanted to lick Tyrese and call him chocolate.

14:50Oti: Chocolate bitch.

14:52KT: And then he like licked the mother right after. We just got so excited. Spoiler spoiler spoiler by the way. We don't film shame and we also don't kink shame and those might be the same things. Even though Oti likes to shame me, but that's a different story. But yes. So spoilers.

15:10KT: But it was interesting. It was interesting to see that. And I like that it didn't forget what the core messaging was of this movie. We continued to go back to that base Oh, yeah. Throughout the film. You know, there there was a lot of talk about him wanting to protect his mother, but it was made very clear that his mom didn't need protecting. So I I personally felt like he was using that as a crutch for him to stay in this limbo

15:35KT: sort of state where he's not he's no longer a kid that relies on his mom or should rely on his mom. And he's also not fully fledged into adult life. And I think that was really contrasted when he got beat up by those kids. Because those kids were still in school. Right? You could tell they were still in school. They were just being young dumb kids. Right? Hanging outside of the liquor store, boosting the Alizé. Oh, Alizé. Oh, those are Alizé. Some Those are some fucking memories, but that's not for this podcast.

16:05KT: But yeah. But he his trajectory wasn't much different than those high school kids. Yeah. It's like, yeah, you can fuck a pussy, but what does that mean? That means nothing. You are not a man by any means by any

16:19Oti: Yeah. True. And I think that's the revenge that didn't really feel sweet for him.

16:24Oti: And he he sort of realized that, what the fuck am I doing here? This is just kids. Especially seeing Pea beating up a kid with his belt. Man, that's just so He wanted he wanted those kids to feel hurt because he was so ashamed of himself. Up until when he saw what he was doing and realized

16:24KT: Like, he's a twenty twenty year old man. Like, get that there's can have moments of self reflection and see in that moment. Yeah. But already at that point, like, the fact that you ran after these little kids to go and bash them and you knew that Sweetpea was that sort of guy and he was gonna go all the way, I'm sorry. That's too late. There were so many instances with Jody's character where I'm like, you're fucking trash. Stop you know, even our best friend Melvin was saying, stop blaming everyone for your fucking problems. Yeah.

17:07KT: I love bad bitches. That's my fucking problem. Right? And the baddest bitch was Jody. It's but it's interesting. I guess the reason why I have so much scorn and disdain for Jody as a character is because I would never want a fucking man like that ever. And I think that's why that bothered me because you see Yvette really struggling. Right? And you also have Jody's other baby mama that was struggling as well. Just trying to figure out when

17:31KT: they can exist in Jody's life.

17:31Oti: And I think solely, I think there's just some unresolved

17:38Oti: stuff with Jody's psyche. You think so? We have he keeps on bringing up his brother who was chased away from home or who was kicked out of home Yeah. As as well. That at least his perception of what the mom did. Mhmm. And he keeps on lacking it to him being pushed out of home and then dying. Yeah. And he didn't want to be that, and he didn't want to make the mom go through that. Mhmm. So he felt like sort of, I have to stay home. I have to be close to my mother. I have to sort of protect her because, at least, I think, from the down from from the

18:09Oti: effects of losing a kid and how he probably saw the mom suffering, he just wanted to stay close. And you can't really blame him for that.

18:16KT: What? Yeah. But you know it it it goes further than that. It goes further than that in the case where, you know, you can look out for your mom, but you don't need to ask her in detail where and what she's going to be doing on a date. No. That's a different level. That is some reverse Norman Bates shit. Right? Yep. Sometimes as humans, you know, we're all fallible creatures, but sometimes we also don't wanna face the shit that we've got going on. Right?

18:41KT: So I really feel like in a lot of cases, yes, Jody cared about his mom, but I feel like he used that as an excuse and he blamed her for any lack of progress that he might've had in his life when it was all him. Yeah.

18:54Oti: Maybe so.

18:55KT: Okay. Okay. So so judge Oti, let me bring exhibit A to the court. He keeps talking about how he doesn't want Melvin to take advantage of his mom, how he doesn't want his mom to get abused or to get hit, yet he becomes the very thing that he doesn't want his mom to be subjected to. And even later on in the movie, the mom was like, you're doing the same fucking thing that your father did to me. So

19:19KT: how much of it is him caring about the mom? And how much of it is him trying to find an excuse for his sense of failure? It's also my sense of failure. You know, like, there's so many instances in this movie where I'm like, you're fucked. Because we also have Snoop's character, Rodney, who apparently he had Ice Cube in mind. I don't think I could see Ice Cube doing that.

19:44KT: Maybe Ice-T, but I don't think I could see Ice Cube trying to take advantage of Taraji with the kid there. Not to say I could see Snoop doing that, I but know what you mean. I know what you mean. Right? Yeah. The sleaziness look of it all. Let's just keep the Are We There Yet for Ice Cube. Right? Because I'm sure I'm sure Ice-T fucks Coco with all the dogs around. Oh, yeah. The actual dogs. But you know what I mean? Like, there are so many instances and when

20:12KT: when we have Rodney calling from jail and he's he's literally saying everything to Jody being like, you know, you you still live at your mama's house and all this sort of shit. And when Jody hung up, he's like, why are you telling him my business?

20:28KT: And, you know, so many instances through the movie, he'll be talking about this is my car when it literally was not. You know what I mean? And he'll be like, this is my house. This is my telephone line. None of that was fucking yours.

20:28Oti: Oh, yeah. He's entitled to shit, but I just think that Jody could have used some therapy. That's all. Yes. Because he's he's clearly, he's he's suffered a bit.

20:28KT: When did you came to that conclusion? When it was the opening sequence when he was imagining himself in the womb?

20:55KT: And that's funny because we were talking about when we were watching the movie when we have Melvin and the mom, like, making out in the hallway, and they're full rubbing up on each other. And you're like, what the fuck? And I'm like, mate, this is their house. They can do whatever the fuck they want. The weird thing is that Tyrese's ass is still in there. That's the weird part. I just I don't get it.

21:18KT: It didn't even seem like he was going through some inner sort of conflict. It just seemed like he was just coasting by on life. And he would have continued to just live that way if no one actually challenged him. Maybe so. Maybe so. Because you you can slide in some pussy. You can have a baby, but that doesn't make you an adult. And that was made quite clear. Like, he even when he was in the garden with his mom later on in the movie, he was like, you know, I buy groceries

21:43KT: when I'm there. I I replace the engine. And, you know, he says all of this stuff, but really, it's all self serving to you anyway. Yeah. To to a point though, where He barely does a bare minimum and he wants a fucking parade.

21:54KT: Tell me I'm wrong.

21:54Oti: You're not wrong. You're not you're not Tell me. You're not wrong. I think I'm just coming from an angle where I know his crap, but he's a flawed dude trying to find his way.

22:07KT: Yeah. But why do why do people have to get hurt? Why do people have to be confused in the process of him figuring his shit out? That's where I'm coming from.

22:07Oti: That's why I think it's a bit more nuanced than that because

22:07KT: Oh, fuck off. That is a big Succession fuck off.

22:22Oti: Because we get Jody who's who has his problems. No doubt. Mhmm. You know? And and it's very clear that John Singleton is saying, you know, this guy

22:22KT: Don't bring my man John Singleton into this.

22:22Oti: This guy is is is is is is lazy as the reason he doesn't he he's not working is because he's doesn't hasn't gone out there to do to get a job and all that, but I think there's an undertone as well. There's there's an overall undertone of societal problems Okay. That affect

22:54Oti: people like Jody and his and his, you know, sort of economic support for a black young person in in, what, South South Coast LA? In California. Yeah. So it's I don't know. Like, I get it. I get Jody is not the best color person. He's lazy ass, but there's

23:13Oti: some underlying issues as well for him to be able to to go out there and get a job. I get a second chance because we know it was it's tough for Melvin.

23:13KT: You thought that was his second chance? He has gotten many chances, my love.

23:13Oti: Because we know he's a parolee. Right? Yeah.

23:27Oti: So he's been in the system. Mhmm. And Don't know.

23:27KT: Don't you dare make this about some systemic sort of incarceration. Who do you think you are? John Oti Oliver?

23:37Oti: No. He's he he's he's the master of his own

23:37KT: Oti DuVernay?

23:37Oti: He's no. Don't get me wrong. He is solely responsible for his failures up until now. You know? You got yourself wrong, but anyway. But there are other sort of issues that overlay

23:54KT: that sort of many there are many men that you can take defense for, and I don't think you need to do that for Jody. Because for as much as you can for as much as you can give him graces, he hurt so many people along the way. And I don't think that was fair. Let's talk a bit about my best friend Melvin. Mhmm. I call him my best friend because I I am watching this as a whole woman,

24:17KT: not as a teenager. Because I think if I watched this as a teenager, I probably would have been scared of Melvin. But, you know, if I didn't have Oti and I walked into the kitchen and, you know, Ving Rhames was making me breakfast, I would have a good tat. That's all I'm gonna say. But I understood and I resonated and I related to a lot of what

24:35KT: Melvin's character was saying. I I I do wanna say that they you know, there were references to his past that, you know, he he was potentially also incarcerated as well, if you wanna defend him, Oti. And, you know, they were hinting at him abusing his, previous partners. So, definitely don't condone that, but I am going to speak within the realms of the film. Mhmm. So I'm not really gonna focus on that. So as far as I understand, Mel was a great guy. Okay. He could dick you down. What was that? The African squat? African squat.

25:08Oti: You're hard to try.

25:12KT: Yeah. Yeah. We don't have an OnlyFans, unfortunately, so you'll just have to imagine it. But he was talking some real shit. Right? And and what really bothered me about Jody is he would run his mouth off way too much. And he made the mistake more than one time. Like, you would think that if he made the mistake once trying to step up to Melvin, that he wouldn't do it again.

25:33KT: Yeah. But he he kept doing it. Yeah.

25:33Oti: He kept doing it because he felt he was responsible for trying to protect his mom.

25:33KT: No. But if you wanna if you wanna step nontoxically in 2020 as a man to Melvin, then you also need to be prepared if he's about to whip whoop your ass. Nontoxically.

25:50Oti: Well,

25:52KT: you know, there was there was a lot of, you know, telling Tyrese to be a man and grow up. And in 2020, I quietly agreed. But to the point of him being a fully functional adult, not toxically a man.

26:08Oti: Wow. Alright. I hear you. Well, I think I think we're just coming from completely different angles on this. Okay. Because in as much as Melvin was was was changing his life and he's they're showing us that incarceration doesn't really prevent you from having a life outside of you know, not having not making a life for yourself Mhmm. Because he's clearly started his own business. He's successful. Yep. He's trying to, you know, get his life in order. Uh-huh. And that's not an excuse to risk in you is because he's on parole.

26:39KT: No. But, like, my point is, for all of his shortcomings, you could see that Melvin, when he said something, he meant it. Right? Jody didn't know shit, and he would say some big man things nontoxically in 2020. He would say some big man things, and he would be shocked when he got a big man nontoxically in 2020 response

27:02KT: from Melvin.

27:02Oti: True. But this is all unprecedented, though, on past sort of behavior

27:09Oti: for or or so sort of on past history from how the mom was treated by either her previous boyfriends or how her mom was treated by

27:09KT: But how how about he focused on the way that he's treating Yvette? How about that?

27:09Oti: Well, that comes later.

27:09KT: How about he focused on the fact that he's got two baby mamas and he's like, I love you. You're gonna be my wife. I got hoes. I fucked him. I don't lie I don't lie to you because I love

27:09Oti: example of a man he's had his whole life.

27:09KT: Oh, piss off. He's 20 years old.

27:35KT: No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. He is too old to be playing that card.

27:35Oti: Fair enough. Yeah. That was a stretch for me saying it as well.

27:35KT: He talks about his no. He talks about his mom not wanting to be subjected to shitty ass men, and he is that. He embodies that. He had the Trojans in Yvette's car. It wasn't even his fucking car. And he was fucking the baby mama in the backseat of the Trojan, and I'm pretty sure that's a TLC song that never got released.

28:02Oti: Yeah. Well, the thing is, remember when the arguing Oh, yeah. Well No. No. Remember when the arguing with with the mom and he said, don't call me again when he starts beating you up? Meaning, there's an instance where, like

28:02KT: That's a very five year old thing to say. I will point you to later on in the movie where

28:19KT: he gets his ass beat by Melvin, and he's he says, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave. And then Melvin's like, I'll leave. And then he's like, yeah. Leave the house, you bitch. You know what I mean? Like, he's that kid that didn't learn his lesson, that had a big mouth and didn't shut his fucking mouth. Right? But in any case and then he got he was trying to be this big manly manly man, and then he got his fucking bike.

28:42KT: On your bike, mate. And he's like, if anything happens to me, it'll be your fault. What the fuck is that shit? How old are you?

28:49Oti: It feels like that's Arturo in the in the hood.

28:54KT: Casa Casa de Baby Boy. Yeah. Listen to our Money Heist episode episodes. It's a trilogy. It's a trilogy. Friends and Lovers. You will fucking love it, but there's definitely Arturo in there just as hateable as Jody. But I don't know. I'm all about accountability.

29:13KT: I am all about owning who you are. I do understand that if you don't deal with your real life shit, it's going to project itself. It's going to manifest itself in even ways that you don't realize. I fucking get that. I understand that. Right? I even understood that at the age of 20. Don't force your shit on other people. Don't guilt your mother.

29:32KT: Right? Because apparently, you're doing it for the best of the mother. And all of this shit that you're saying, I will take you to where the mom was like, when have you ever paid a bill around here? When have you ever fixed anything in this fucking house? No. When's the last time you paid a bill? Meaning, those are times you paid a actual bill. Was Jody Kenyon? You've got an answer for everything, my love.

29:56Oti: Just just just stay true to to the true Baby Boy hive out there.

30:01KT: The Jodys from Baby Boy, the Lawrences from Insecure, stop defending shitty black men. That's what society wants to make you think, mate. Direct your direct your power somewhere else, my angel.

30:17Oti: Oh. But Ving Rhames, man, he's been in a lot of shit. Oh, yeah. He's been in a lot. Pulp Fiction too. He's just great in everything he does. So effortless.

30:26KT: I haven't I haven't looked up nor will I wanna ruin the fantasy of whether that was his real backside, if you'll pardon the pun or not, but I'm just gonna believe that was him. If you pardon the bun. Vomit. You are a beautiful person in any way, but your lack of humor kind of it kind of undoes all of that. She said while laughing. Out of pity. Out of hoping to get lucky. But I guess I guess the parallels that I wanted to draw between Melvin and also Jody

31:04KT: was that, yeah, yes, son, they were not the same people. And that's what Melvin said because, you know and even when we saw the TV, which I think was in, the first third of the movie,

31:15KT: you know, Melvin was saying how he got the TV and he got it for free from someone that he would just casually killed for. He just like beat up these people for, you know, it's it's not a worry, no worries. That's how I got the TV. But you could see that he wasn't messing around. You know what I mean? And until proven guilty, he didn't hit the mom. So all of this all of this, like, I'm trying to protect you is all undone by him being like, oh, something happens to me. It's your fault. Right? How is that a measured response? And then you have later on in the movie

31:44KT: when they're in the mother's garden with some Oedipus in the Oedipus garden, you know, Jody was like, I'm a grown man. And I'm like, yeah, for two minutes. For two minutes of a two hour, ten minute movie, you're a grown man. And he says he found a new spot. No. You're squatting at your girlfriend's house.

31:44Oti: No. He usually said he usually bombard movies that don't have character growth.

32:07Oti: Here, we get character growth tenfolds.

32:10KT: We got catheter growth. Yeah. We we

32:12Oti: get we get character growth from Jody and and Pea.

32:16KT: I disagree.

32:17Oti: And even to to some extent, Yvette. You wanna

32:21KT: that's not fair. She was she was her whole self the whole time. She just waited for these boys to grow up. Now that is a sequel. That is a sequel that I'll be into. Oh, yeah? Yes. Let's go back to Sweetpea. You talk about Sweetpea having any sort of character development. I will point you to Tracy Jordan from 30 Rock saying he needs to find a religion before something happens. Otherwise, it looks suspicious. Okay? Drop all the mics. Go and watch The Last O.G. because we'll cover it eventually.

32:50KT: Nah. Because even even when Sweetpea was talking to Jody about getting baptized, Jody was like, how bad did you mess up that you wanna, like, be, you know, born again. Right? But, yeah, I you could see that Sweetpea had some tendencies, and I guess both both of them were trying to figure it out. They were both baby boys in many ways. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Agreed. And at least we see at the end where Sweetpea gets does get baptized.

33:21Oti: So you're assuming he's leaving all his life of crime behind for him trying to be a better person. And he saw that he struggled. He struggled to find his way or find his lane or he's really good at or necessarily anything he's good at.

33:21KT: I'm gonna be that woman right now.

33:36KT: You can call me an unstable creature if you would like, but I'm gonna be that woman right now. The parallels that we have between Jody and also Sweetpea are males being unable to function in a society where they're not thriving.

33:51KT: What do you mean by that, o professor KT? Well, dear listener, I will tell you exactly what that means. And let's focus on Sweetpea. Sweetpea was with Kim and he was living with Kim and Kim's mom. Right? And we see him arguing with Kim and the mom even when Jody comes over. And a lot of that is fucking projection because he felt like less of a man. Because he wasn't bringing in money. Because he had to rely on them. So he was okay accepting

34:21KT: the new clothes. And I don't know if they said Nintendo or it was some sort of gaming console. Right? He was fine accepting that, but inside you knew that he felt toxically or not less of a man. Yeah. Because he had to Why did Kim, his girlfriend, not even the stranger, why did Kim, his girlfriend, and the mom have to deal with his lack of inequity? That's not fair.

34:43Oti: Right? And Sometimes you just have to give people a rope. You know, just just give them give them the space to find their own way.

34:51KT: No. But what I'm saying is why did they why did they have to get hurt in the process? That's what I'm saying. Like, if you're trying to deal with your shit, if you're trying to, like, figure your shit out just like Jody, why do you have to have casualties of the shrapnel of your insecurity? You don't.

34:51Oti: In a in an ideal world, you don't. But Cute. But we're not there. We're in this movie. Thank you very much.

35:11Oti: In a in a I don't even know why you're trying because I'm not even directly talking to you. I'm talking about the cat. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about Pea here. And Pea had

35:21Oti: he had he we could tell he was struggling. He even opened up in a way that I don't think Jody expected him. You know? But that's what I was saying. Jody was like, oh, shit. You know?

35:21KT: Okay. Let no. Let's transverse this. Let's transverse this. So from Jody's perspective,

35:35KT: we have Jody's mom that has been holding it down, letting him live there. And, I'm saying living. He was 20 years old. He definitely could have moved out by then. Letting him live there. We also have Yvette who had a child by him. As far as we could see at the start of the movie, she went to an abortion clinic and it didn't seem like it was the first time that she did that. Right? And then we also have Peanut who is the other baby mama

35:59KT: that also has a kid by Jody as well. All of these women are having to deal with him trying to figure his shit out. And he can't just figure his shit out, you know, in a way that, you know, just affects him. He needs to do it in an explosive way that hurts people around him. Yeah. And then if you go to Sweetpea, you also have Kim and you also have the mom. So it's cute, Oti. It's really cute that you're saying, oh, you know, but he had progress. Like, he literally walked a step while the women had to endure a whole path of the pain.

35:59Oti: And then again, they're just painting a picture of how a strong black woman plays such an important side

35:59KT: Why does she have to be strong? Because the men in this in this particular case, the men were weak, and they took out their their their perceived

36:39KT: sense of weakness and society's sense of weakness onto these women, and that is fucking unforgivable. It's unforgivable. See, I didn't wanna take it there, but you did.

36:49Oti: Well, I I wouldn't say unforgivable. I would say that Pea struggles in a way that is

36:55Oti: beyond the ordinary sort of way Jody is struggling because he doesn't have that sort of support system aside from, you know, Kim. And you could tell that he can't really he's not really used to expressing himself to the point of him opening up to Jody and saying, I have to leave the house at 09:00, and I won't come back until 06:00. So just for them to fucking think that I'm doing something. And that's sad. I felt sad when I had that.

36:55KT: But then why didn't you actually do something from nine to five, sir?

36:55Oti: Because it surely can't be as easy as just, hey. I'm gonna do something today, and I'm gonna get myself a job. Yeehaw. Because

37:30Oti: I assume, even though they didn't mention it, it's quite clear he has a record of some sort. Uh-huh. And getting a job getting an office job is sort of out of his, you know, purview. And I don't know. I just feel like with Pea, his issues were more deeper than what was laid on. And the fact that he actually opened up to Jody and Jody actually fucking to being taken aback

37:52Oti: by it, it's just I don't know. I I just felt sorry for him. I felt sorry for him that he didn't have he could he couldn't figure out what he could do. And that's why a lot of people do. You know? You don't you don't know you have skills or whatever. And you would be just go do a manual job. Go do a Macca's. Do go do something else. And Macca's is McDonald's for non Australians. Maybe it's not that easy.

38:13KT: Okay. Friends and lovers of the court, may I produce you Oti? Even though we talk about Oedipus shit, I did not produce him in that way. Oti, would you ever treat me or project to me in the way that Sweetpea or Jody did?

38:13Oti: No.

38:13KT: Well, the court fucking rests you, hon.

38:31Oti: But we're different people. We come with different with different issues and

38:31KT: If would never treat me that way, why is it acceptable for these characters to do that?

38:31Oti: I'm not saying it's acceptable. I'm just saying there's a way to look at them and feel not only anger, but understanding exactly where they're coming from. And knowing, yes, mate, you need to pull your socks up, but there's there's a whole sort of issue where you have these guys fresh out of prison or whatever Mhmm. Not not getting luck or not thinking

39:02Oti: they're good enough to do anything with their lives.

39:02KT: Okay. But then how about the woman? Yeah. How about the plight of It's not fair.

39:02Oti: I didn't say it was fair. And I

39:11Oti: didn't say it was fair.

39:11KT: If you're going to direct your energy somewhere, direct it to the women of this movie.

39:16Oti: And they're great. And they're great. And starting off with Yvette.

39:22KT: Starting okay. After this whole conversation, now you're gonna start with Yvette?

39:29Oti: Alright. She's given Jody heaps and heaps and heaps of chances. Too many. More than he deserved. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. What did you think of how when she finally, I thought at least in my mind, in that scene where The pussy promise? Yeah. The pussy promise.

39:48KT: If we didn't get censored, I would call this Baby Boy pussy promise. But I know it's going to get censored at least by Apple.

39:56Oti: But what did you think of of sort of that moment where you feel like she's sort of realized that this guy's not gonna go there with me. He's not gonna give me anything other than pain, sadness in my life.

40:10KT: Well, because really up until that point, what did Jody give to her? The child? Good day. Sorry? Good d. If it's a bad d, is it an ugly kid or

40:20Oti: No. We clearly know that it seemed or it was sad as if he had a d that would satisfy.

40:20KT: And let's make that very clear. Oti is the one that said this,

40:32KT: not me.

40:32Oti: I

40:34Oti: thought just a few minutes ago, you said something to do with

40:38KT: what was it? I I'm not helping you.

40:43Oti: Toxicity?

40:45KT: Is that it? Is that the word? I can't hear you over the sound of my halo, sir. But yeah. But, you know, like, she was self sufficient, Yvette. She had a job. She had her own car. She had her own place. So there was really nothing that Jody was adding to her life. Like, yeah, he was picking her up and dropping her off, but that was her car.

41:07KT: And I really wanted her to acknowledge her own self worth. And she definitely got there. What frustrated with like me and what I had qualms with, sir, was that she went back to him. I get that she had that rattling moment with Rodney, which was super fucked up. Right? But it just bothered me that she went back to Jody because nothing was going to change aside from the two minutes where he became a grown man apparently.

41:30Oti: Yeah. Or maybe she just didn't realize in as much as Jody was useless, he did do stuff for her at least. Like He did dick for her. Yes. Well, she didn't have to worry about her car being fixed up or whatever because Jody took care of that. It might sound trivial up until it's not. You know?

41:30KT: Hi, friends and lovers that are ladies. This is KT from the For Your Reference podcast.

41:53KT: You might be enjoying this whisper. If you're not, I will stop if you're nasty. But in any case, I just wanna say for all of the females that listen to our podcast, you know sometimes when you don't really need a man to do something and you tell him to do it just so he feels like he's contributing, that's kind of what was happening here. Okay. We're gonna go back to the podcast that has a dick in it. A nice dick. Okay. Welcome back, Oti.

42:18Oti: You're ridiculous.

42:19KT: Unfortunately unfortunately, because there is this machismo sort of perception of man, you know, in a hetero sort of relationship, women kind of need to make a man feel like a man, unfortunately. And that's kind of what was happening because Yvette did not need him for shit. What Jody was bringing into her life was outweighed by the drama that he brought into her life. Let's be honest. She didn't have time for his bullshit. Yeah.

42:46Oti: And and maybe I don't know. I don't know why she stuck around for too long. But then again But she loves here. Yeah. So at the end of the day, she did realize that Jody wasn't a complete bum.

42:55KT: No. But let let's talk about it when well, first of all, I don't know I don't know about like other couples. Maybe this is normal. But the fact that they would be outside of their apartment shouting, like, I don't don't know if that's a normal thing. But, you know, like, I I think even at one point, Jody was shouting about, is it because I hit you? They

43:16KT: were not coy about anything, but, you know, they'll be fighting outside of the apartment and, know, she'll be talking about how she doesn't need him. Right? It was just a very interesting sort of dynamic to have. And why would you go through all that shit? Right? She loved him. Right? But if we go to a specific fight that I wanted to focus on, this was after I think they bought some tacos and she found the condoms or the the one out of three condom pack.

43:40KT: Nice ad, by the way. Oh, yes. If was a condom company, I would want Taraji P to be sarcastically reading how it's a number one brand of condom. But this is where they get to a real point, you know, like hers. And even it's so sad. We live in a one to one society. Okay? But it's sad that she accepted that I know you love me, Jody, but I know you like to fuck other bitches. Right?

44:06KT: And it's sad that she even had to concede to that point. Like, if that's your arrangement, that's your arrangement. But you could tell that's not what Yvette wanted, but she accepted it because she loves Jody. Mhmm. Right? And then you have that whole sequence and I don't even know like, you know when you hear someone talking so much shit and you know it's not going on, you're like, shut up, bruv. Like, that was that was Jody. He was like, I love you. That's why I tell you the truth.

44:29KT: You know, like and and he even admitted that his business, obviously, he was getting ladies from that business. Like, that was very clear. You don't go and sell women's clothing

44:38KT: just for the integrity of it. Right? And then he was like, I lied to them because I don't care about them. I tell you the truth because I love you. How do you No. I tell them the truth because I don't I don't care about them. I lied to you because I care. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. How what do you what do you feel about that?

44:54Oti: That was just crap. That was complete bullshit. He was just trying to cover his tracks and try and get himself out of that situation the best way he could or try at least to say whatever he thought Yvette wanted to hear.

45:05KT: Yeah. So I I don't buy it. I'm pretty sure she would wanna hear other things aside from what he said.

45:05Oti: No. He just thought he was trying to make that situation stop.

45:05KT: No. But he's he's very emotionally manipulative. Yeah. Because he's like, are you happy now? Are you happy knowing I fucked all of these bitches? Of course, she's not happy.

45:22KT: Like, I I just don't care for that. I don't have the time for that, whether it's a romantic partner, whether it's a friend, whether it's a family member. I don't have time for your emotionally manipulative bullshit. And that's all he brought to me in my opinion. Yeah. And I was like and even even later on when they decided that they were going to, like, you know, shoot Rodney, he was like, oh, no. I can't I can't kill him, man. I can't have that on my soul.

45:47Oti: And what's wrong with that?

45:47KT: No. But you know what I mean? Like, talks this big talk. That's the problem. He talks this big machismo talk and he doesn't follow through.

45:47Oti: I'd say I'd rather

45:57Oti: have someone like that who actually realizes the implications of what he would do and what it would mean.

45:57KT: I'd rather have drive bys with you. I'm

46:07KT: sorry, Luther Vandross. I shouldn't have done that.

46:07Oti: It's

46:11Oti: just insane that I I I found it as a moment of growth, and that's why he thought, fuck. I need to change my life. That moment, him staring at Rodney, and especially when he shot him, no, man. If you're not changing your life after that, then you know you're complete crap. And at least Can just say can just He pulled himself out of that. And

46:32KT: Can I just say when Jody got shot and he was like, you could see that the blood was there and he got shot? I was like, yes. This is what I've been waiting for. I've been edging this whole time. Yes. And then we see that he never got shot and I'm like, well, fuck me. That was not I was so happy. I was really happy that that happened. You know, him getting beaten by the kids, him getting in a headlock with Melvin,

46:55KT: you know, and him getting shot. I was like, these are the moments. These are the moments that I hold on to. Let's let's talk about Yvette's coworker who we kind of see very early that she's going to have a thing. She's going to have some sort of thing with Jody. Yeah. Right? And that later comes into fruition in the movie where I think the guise, very veiled, but the guise was that he was coming to sell clothes there. At night though? At night though?

47:26KT: Using Yvette's car. So you know that layer of consciousness is not there.

47:31Oti: Oh, yeah. Because he feels free to fuck other people without with it just being fucking rather than bringing all the emotions to it. Which we've which we've already covered and I'm tired.

47:41KT: I'm exhausted and I'm tired. But just going back to that particular scene, okay. Yeah. I guess in a stretch, you can say that it was very innocent and he was just coming there to sell clothes. I guess, if you wanna take it that far. But there were many moments where he was like, I can't do this. I can't do this. But it looked very clear that he could do this. He could have said no a lot sooner and just walked out if he didn't want to do it. But he lingered,

48:09Oti: He got tempted.

48:10KT: But at least at the end, he really didn't go he didn't cross that line. I just don't understand the self righteousness of him being like, yeah. I didn't do it, but I fucked the other bitches. But I didn't fuck her. And it's like, do you wanna medal for that, sir? Like, what do you want for that? And there was so much aggression that he had at the thought of Yvette being with someone else. And again, I guess that comes back to, you know, the the caveman machismo,

48:36KT: like, I can do whatever the fuck I want, but you're pure, you need to stay, you're just my lady. Right? It just it became tiresome to me. I'm like, come on now. Like, literally the best like, one of the best titles for a movie, Baby Boy. Yeah. In every sense of the word. Just absolute baby. Baby Boy, super loser. Even actually, let's come let's come to a scene one of the first times that Melvin moves in. Right? And he's in the hallway

49:09KT: and then you have Jody and Sweetpea, like, whispering being like, oh, you know, he thinks he's all that. And then Melvin's like, what, bitch? And he's like, what are you talking about? You know what I mean? And Melvin's like, you know, kids like, you think you know what you're talking about. You think you know everything. There you go. That's what he said. He said, you think you know everything.

49:27KT: And that's part of the problem. And I definitely agreed with that because they weren't kids anymore. They could definitely take accountability for what they did, but they chose not to. Maybe if Sweetpea got some more screen time, I would have more heat coming his way. But in regards to Jody, he was fucking shite. Like, in every sense of the word, he was just terrible. There were no redeeming qualities that I felt that he had. You know? Even when he got the tinted windows and the rims,

49:58KT: is that what they call that? Rims? Yeah. Rims. For the car? He was making it like it was for Yvette's benefit. No. You did that for yourself. Yeah. He pimped that out for himself. And as soon as Yvette made it clear that they were no longer a thing anymore, he called up Peanut. And Peanut's like, fuck you. I'll call you maybe when I want some dick and you can find your way over here.

50:19KT: Right? Yeah. It's like like people just got sick of his bullshit and that was the best. Like, that was the best I was I was living my best life watching that part of the movie. And even the mom was like, fuck off. Like, I was really enjoying that part of the movie but, you know, I really don't feel like he grew up at all. He he grew up at the end. Yeah. But give it five more not even five. Give it like

50:41KT: one more year, he'll get bored and he'll still be up to the same bullshit. Do you anticipate a Baby Boy 2? No. Because it's it's Baby Boy original. No reboot required.

50:54Oti: For a while. Yeah. Interesting though. I I think I think Yvette was definitely a favorite in this. Oh, yeah. She she shines so brightly. I

51:04KT: I feel bad for like, so much of the emotional pain in this movie was from Yvette's character. Oh, yeah. And and everything that she was going through. I really thought it was interesting that they would swear and not necessarily have sex, but they would kiss and dry hump each other in front of the kid. I thought that was really interesting, but hey, you know, like

51:25Oti: Boundaries,

51:26KT: mate. Like a dog is different. Like having a kid in the room would be weird. Right? Oh, that kid would grow up messed up. Or maybe it's not weird until they can like talk and that's when it gets weird. Right? Oh, no. It's weird. Well, I I wouldn't know. Maybe Oti does, but with your 80 babies. Uh-huh. I would not know at all. Can I ask a question, Oti, that's kind of not related to this movie? So we have Omar Gooding. Who was the biggest star at the time? Omar or Cuba?

51:26Oti: Cuba.

51:54Oti: Cuba was a blockbuster Oscar winning star.

51:57KT: Oh oh, even at this time with the Show Me The Money, was that around this time as well?

51:57Oti: No. I think he that was way before.

52:05Oti: Jerry Maguire. I don't know what happened that he did Snow Dogs and then it just all went downhill. But

52:05KT: No. It's five now dog five according to Tracy Jordan from 30 Rock. Five now dog five.

52:05Oti: No. But I I really loved Cuba Gooding movies. Like, fuck sakes me. He he just epitomized everything that I thought black superstar should be,

52:27Oti: at at least from a thespian point of view. He really had his time in the sun, didn't he? Yeah. Because he was also in Boyz n the Hood. Right? Yeah. Oh, and the fun thing is, Boyz n the Hood, have Cuba, and then here you have Omar.

52:39KT: Plenty of Yeah. John Singleton. He knows talent. Yeah. Yeah. And don't forget Morris Chestnut. You know Morris Chestnut. I'll try and put him in all the places. Don't you worry.

52:50KT: Oti would as well.

52:50Oti: No. But in as much as Cuba Gooding Jr. Was the biggest star, I felt like Omar is a really good actor as well. He deserves his props. Right? Yeah. He he definitely stands on his own.

52:50KT: Yeah. I I I really enjoyed him. And again, he reminded me of Leon

53:06KT: from Snowfall as well. Like, that too I see that would go further than you would go. But in saying that, Jody was definitely not Franklin from Snowfall.

53:17Oti: Not just a little bit?

53:18KT: Not maybe maybe in the last episode of the recent season. Oh, yeah. He he turned into some That's that's not a spoiler. You should definitely watch Snowfall because we will cover it very soon. I I definitely wanna give some shout outs to the actress that played Kim, Angell Conwell because she's actually in Bigger, which is a BET show that we watched recently. She

53:39Oti: does not age. Yeah. She pretty much looked the same. Like, fuck the hell.

53:45KT: And like, wow. Wow. Good for you. Amazing. And it's it's nice. It's it's funny when when I watch something and I go back to watch an older movie and see them. Right? But I think she did a very good job as well. Do you have anything else to say about Snoop Dogg as Rodney?

53:58Oti: He was alright. Like, he's done those roles a dime a dozen. Like, it's it's just a Snoop Dogg come not cameo pussy. Oh, come on. This was more than a cameo. More than a cameo, but he's Donald sort of this shit a lot. So I think I'm sort of desensitized by the fact that they throw a Snoop Dogg in a movie.

54:16KT: So I don't know. I think he played the role quite well, though, especially when because obviously, I didn't know. I I know I saw Snoop Dogg on the cover, but I didn't realize that he would be not even a love interest, but he would be the guy that was in prison. Right? And I really enjoyed him calling Jody out on his bitch assness. I thought that was quite funny talking about him still living at home with his mom. So

54:40KT: I definitely really enjoyed it. I think LaKeith Stanfield plays Snoop Dogg in Straight Outta Compton. Right? And that was interesting. But I don't think this is a spoiler, but I do feel like the world of Rodney existed before the world of Training Day. Oh. And I guess let's just leave it there. But I definitely enjoyed seeing Snoop Dogg. He's fun. He's great. You know, he has his Katy Perry collaborations, but we still love him all the same. Go and fan your undergarments

55:10KT: and get yourself a refreshing drink because we are going to finish off in a segment we call, For Your Reference, Oti.

55:10Oti: It's obvious. I brought it up at the start of the movie.

55:18Oti: If you just want to watch John Singleton at his best Mhmm. I'd say Boyz n the Hood is where to be, like, far out. Get a different side of of the Gooding of the Gooding brothers.

55:33KT: The Gooding sides. Mhmm. Nice. It's interesting. It's interesting you say that because a lot of the time, there's a lot of things that are popular and sometimes they're not deserved. But I really feel like Boyz n the Hood definitely needs to be watched by everyone that has it available to them. Yeah. Anyone that loves movies, really. If you've got a TV, Boyz n the Hood needs to be there being watched.

55:57Oti: Right. And and and the thing is, I think I didn't realize at the time because I think I I hadn't watched Boyz n the Hood yet. And watching Baby Boy now, you could just see a lot of the parallels that you can draw from. Yeah. And wow. Just do yourself a favor. Watch Boyz n the Hood if you haven't.

56:15KT: Before I come up with my references, I forgot to say something. For some reason, I thought that Taraji was going to have a sex scene with Ving Rhames and I got very disappointed. I got very disappointed that we didn't get that. I knew I wasn't going to get a Snoop Dogg sex scene, but I I was very disappointed that I didn't get to see that.

56:35KT: So sometimes even though you wish hard enough, it doesn't happen friends and lovers. Mhmm. But what we can wish for is some more references if you enjoyed Baby Boy. And I've got two references, Oti. The first one I've mentioned quite a lot through this episode and that is Snowfall. Mhmm. FX. All of the chef kisses and all of the places. And the second movie that I will reference is Set It Off.

57:00Oti: Oh.

57:01KT: All of the feels. Mhmm. Amazing. And you know who else is amazing, Oti? All of our friends and lovers that continue to listen to us. Oh. Oh. And if you wanna follow us on a day to day, not week to week basis, you can find us on Twitter and Instagram. We are @ForYourRefPod. You can write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. And we're also on Apple Podcast, guys. We love you, and we'll see you next week.

57:24Oti: See you. Bye.