Bridget Jones – That Perpetua burning sensation (with Verbal Diorama)

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0:25KT: Hey, friends and iconic rom com lovers. Welcome back to For Your Reference. You've got your host, KT. And Oti. And boy, do we have a delight for you guys. We've enlisted pretty much no one else could fill this guest spot better. And I I am hyping it up, and it is definitely worth the wait. Can you please introduce yourself?

0:48Em: Hello. This is Bridget Jones, wanton sex goddess with a very bad man between my thighs. It's not really. It's Em from Verbal Diorama. Hello.

0:56KT: And you know what? We didn't even have to preface this, and that's what makes Em so amazing. Thank you so much for coming on to our podcast.

0:56Em: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I've been so looking forward to talking to you guys.

0:56KT: It was literally the delight of friendship because you tweeted about Bridget Jones, whether you were watching it or just generally. And then I was like, Oti never watched it before, and that's literally what sparked this collaboration.

1:22Em: Yes. Yes. But I was actually watching it because I think it's like a British tradition that you have to watch Bridget Jones at least once a year to be a certified British person. So I got my yearly viewing of Bridget Jones out of the way and I tweeted about it and then I realized that Oti had never seen it. And so I was like, well, this has gotta be rectified. And we need to talk about it.

1:45KT: Well, pay attention to history, my friends. If you do not watch Bridget Jones and you are from Britain, then you will be exiled to Australia.

1:58Em: Mean, does this mean that I can never come to Australia? No, can. Because, I mean, that's annoying.

2:05KT: You can, but you will be doing it on holiday purposes, not convict purposes.

2:11Em: Yeah, I have actually been over on holiday purposes, but they sent me back because they were like, nah, mate, we don't want you here. And I was like, okay, whatever, I'll just go home then.

2:19KT: As ambassadors of nothing in Australia, we invite you back.

2:25Em: Well, interestingly, I will be coming back because I will I'm actually planning a trip next year. So I will be coming back to the great land of Australia. Thank you.

2:25KT: Well, you better start that YouTube, ma'am.

2:25Em: Well oh, yeah. YouTube. We'll see.

2:43KT: Before we get into Bridget Jones, in case you didn't know, Em has an impeccable podcast called Verbal Diorama. And as we know, the name of a podcast can make or break you in many ways. So I I just wanna get a little spiel about how you came across that name, and do you still love it to this day?

3:06Em: Well, it's an interesting story. I get that a lot. Like, where did your name come from? Because it's quite striking. And the first thing that people tend to think about is poo. And there's quite a good reason why most people think about poo. But that's actually kind of where it came from. Because I have loved watching movies ever since I was really young. And when I love something, I talk about it quite a lot. As you've probably

3:37Em: audibly witnessed if you've listened to any of my episodes, especially episodes with a guest on because they tend to be quite long. Because I am a very natural kind of talker. And I always used to say that I'd have a bit of a case of the verbal diarrhea. And it's the most disgusting thing. But when I was thinking about having a podcast, that was kind of the natural name that came up. And then I was like, Who is ever going to want to listen to a podcast called Verbal Diarrhea? No one.

4:10Em: No one's going to recommend verbal diarrhea to a friend, are they? So yeah, that was kind of the start of the name. And there's actually, just going back to Bridget Jones, there's actually a It's something that Bridget says that she gets a case of the verbal diarrhea, which I always kind of quite like. But I was thinking, well, it can't be that. And then the word diorama popped into my head because it sounds a little bit like diarrhoea, but it's not as disgusting. Unless it's a diorama about diarrhoea.

4:44Em: And obviously, a diorama is just basically a descriptive model, which sets a scene or something like that. It always looks really beautiful. And I was like, boom. That's it. Done. Mic drop. That was it. So that's it. That's where it came from. And there you go, guys. Brilliance can strike anywhere, but but mostly forever. Especially when you're thinking about poop.

5:08KT: Well, let's get into it because it is quite an amazing sort of chat that I know we're going to have today. We are covering Bridget Jones' Diary specifically. We might dip into the others in the trilogy, but we're really going to stay in this kind of ballpark. So let's just quickly go into the stats. It came out in 2001. Director was Sharon Maguire, and it's based on the novels written by Helen Fielding. In regards to the box office, the budget was 25,000,000. The opening weekend in America made 10,000,000,

5:44KT: so it's kind of abysmal relative to the budget. But the cumulative worldwide gross was 281,900,000. Oh. That's a lot of grandma on Yeah. That is quite a lot to go through. In regards to the cast, this is such an iconic movie and also trilogy. According to IMDb trivia, it's the only romantic comedy that has a trilogy that was released in the millennium. I'm not sure if that's updated, but in any case, it's iconic. And if you haven't watched it, grab your girlfriend, grab your pillow, go and watch it or your boyfriend

6:24KT: and get into it. The cast that we have is pretty iconic. You have Renee Zellweger as Bridget Jones, obviously. Colin Firth, and I will try to keep going and not just focus on this as Mark Darcy. And then we also have Hugh also trying. Right? I think Oti will be the referee today. Out of bounds. Is that a is that a sports reference? Yep. A basketball reference. Do you do you follow, like, the Premier League, like, football at all, Em?

6:56Em: No. I'm not really a football person. So I know a little bit because I work with blokes and they're always talking about football and who's playing who, but I'm just like, nah. Not interested.

7:06KT: Right? So I feel like Oti watching Bridget Jones was the equivalent of him making me watch Arsenal games.

7:18Em: Oh, is he an Arsenal fan? Is he?

7:18KT: Yep.

7:18Em: So he understands struggle.

7:22KT: He understands struggle and not always winning all the time. Which is good when you're in a relationship with me, definitely. But let's dive into first impressions. Em, you know, did you did you read the novel when you first watched the movie? How did you feel? Is it different watching it again? You know, just a general sort of overview.

7:51Em: Well, it's interesting because like I said, it is a little bit of a British institution and it obviously came out at a time where I was I'm just trying to think how old I was. Maybe mm-mm, 19 cosy ish, something like 19, 20, that sort of age. And so at the time it wasn't really relevant to me because I was obviously quite enjoying life. Being single, being with someone, being single, being with someone, party, party, party. You know, that sort of life. So it didn't

8:30Em: really kind of mean anything to me back then. It was just like a fun, fluffy rom com that I saw with some friends and loved just because it was funny. And I read the book after I saw the movie which is sacrilegious. Okay. I'm terrible with big long words. As anyone who listens to my podcast will know I'm terrible with big long words. But it is sacrilegious. But yeah, I read the book after and I enjoyed the book actually. Not more than the movie, probably about the same.

9:11Em: But I know at the time there was quite a lot in the press, especially the British press about Renee Zellweger because she's Texan. And the thing is, the press are pretty ridiculous because they make a mountain out of a molehill, which is a very famous English saying. They make it bigger than it is. And it's like, Oh, this American is playing this iconic British character. And it's like, Yeah, but that's her job, she's acting. Like, that is genuinely her job. She's she's paid to pretend to be someone else.

9:48KT: Apparently apparently, she was working at a publishing company for, like, three weeks, and she was using that accent. And no one really picked up on the fact that, first of all, she's Renee motherfucking Zellweger. And second of all Yeah. That she's not British. And I didn't even realize that she was dating Jim Carrey at the time. So she had, like, a photo of Jim Carrey on her desk, so people just thought she was weird, but no one really addressed it.

10:13KT: Did they just assume she's a superflat? Post of Jim Carrey on her desk. I have no idea, and I guess I didn't I I guess I I don't know. I just I can't imagine Jim Carrey being with someone that isn't funny. Or I don't I don't really know much about Renee Zellweger's filmography, so I don't know if she's known for comedic sort of roles.

10:33Em: I think she she has done some comedy. Like, she's done, like, a Farrelly Brothers comedy, and she obviously did Chicago just after this movie, I believe. And she was outstanding in Chicago, one of my favorite roles she's ever done. But she's not the sort of person who you would instinctively say, Well, yes, she's Bridget Jones. Because she's obviously American. She's very slender, like an actress. And Bridget Jones is essentially categorized as Overweight. Not slender. Mean, I I kind of have an issue with how she's depicted as, you know, in inverted commas, fat or chubby.

11:16Em: You know? Because you watch that movie, she is none of the above. There is no fat. Gorgeous. There's literally no fat there. She's just stunning. She's got these she's just got an amazing figure. She looks great. All of these other characters are like, she's overweight. And I'm like, yeah. But is she, though?

11:34KT: I think that's where we use our imagination as viewers. In in regards to rom coms, where do you and we will we will protect you from the British Bridget Jones patrol. But where does this stack up in regards to rom coms for you?

11:54Em: Mean, does stack up quite highly, but I think that's more for nostalgia reasons than it actually being It does have obviously really funny moments. I think it's not aged particularly well in some areas. But yeah, from a nostalgia point of view, it definitely kind of ranks up there. But I don't think it's as funny as Oh I'm just trying to think. What else? The problem with me in romantic comedies is it's a genre that I kind of find in the most part

12:28Em: not very interesting, I guess. In a sense that quite a lot of them are mass produced. They're predictable. They're not funny. They're not romantic. But then I really enjoy things like The Wedding Singer, which I suppose is a romantic comedy. That's probably one of my favorites. So it's below The Wedding Singer, but not by much.

12:49KT: Yeah. So you're looking for a narrative, not just the feels? Yeah.

12:56Em: Like I appreciate that it's usually a guy and a girl and there's usually something that's stopping them to get together and then they get together and then they break up and then they find each other by the end. And I get that that's like the general gist, but I kind of like ones with a bit of a twist or Like, The Wedding Singer's obviously set in the eighties, and so it's just wonderful because it's set in the eighties and it kinda feels a bit different.

13:21KT: You heard it here first, guys. Em is going to be petitioning for M. Night Shyamalan

13:26KT: to protest She was a roll call.

13:31Em: I mean, I just I'm struggling off the top of my head to think of one that really kind of stands out as being a bit different. But I guess I kind of I've always liked genre mixes. So it's like I

13:47Em: recently did an episode about The Mummy, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. That's got a very kind of romantic element to it. It's got a lot of comedy in it. And I quite like that because it's not just the roam- it's not just focused on the romance and the comedy. It's kind of a bit of everything. And I kind of like movies like that. But I also like, if you're gonna have romance, you've gotta have chemistry,

14:08Em: which I think this movie does really well with chemistry between its leads. I think all of the leads are pretty damn good together, I have to say.

14:18KT: Yeah, definitely. Let's dive over to the other side of the gene pool. Usually, when rom coms come out or I wanna rewatch something, Oti is like, go out with your girlfriends and go and have a girly night and go and watch that or go over to their place and, you know, get your chocolate, get your tissues for for crying reasons, not for other reasons.

14:46Em: And Oh my god. I knew you were gonna go there. I was just wait I was timing. How long is it gonna take for KT to get there Right? When you got

14:54KT: And, like, I you know, and this is this is probably as prim and proper as you're going to get me, but it's going to devolve quite quickly. So as our residential member that has a member, Oti, how did you feel? Because it's literally because of this podcast. I don't think there's any other way that I would have gotten you to watch this. And this is payback for making me watch Game of Thrones, but that's a story for another day. So first of all, how did you feel about

15:27KT: Bridget Jones and just the genre in general? And, you know, any any other feels you wanna feel?

15:33Oti: I don't know. When you started watching the movie, it was a bit

15:37Oti: I wasn't really as captivated as you are watching it. Boo. And the M. M. Don't boo, Oti. That's very rude. There were moments in the movie where you were swooning and thinking that how all these characters are great. But to me, they were like, Colin Firth isn't that great of a person.

15:37KT: Woah. Hey. Woah. Woah.

15:37Oti: He came off as snobby. He came off as snobby. What what did he call what did he call Bridget in the in the first, like, five minutes of the movie?

16:13KT: I sorry. I I forgot that I forgot I had to respond. Em, thank you. You were cordially invited to our last podcast. Wow.

16:23Em: Oh my god. I can't believe you just said that, Oti.

16:23Oti: By the time by the time the movie finished, I

16:31Oti: seeing the whole story pan out, it made more sense than what was going on on why KT was swooning over every other character. Because Colin Firth came off as snobby. I was like, why is he that great? Why do you want Bridget to be with him? He's not that good of a person.

16:50Oti: At least Hugh Grant came in and was like

16:50KT: Oh, no. Getting back to Lord. Hang on. Hang No argument has ever been won by at least Hugh Grant dot dot dot. No. I rebuke you, sir. In the name of Colin Firth, I rebuke you.

17:07Oti: Purely on a storytelling

17:09KT: disappointed in you, Oti.

17:09Oti: Purely on a storytelling timeline, You'd understand my point of view where I thought Colin Firth was just being really mean.

17:19KT: Well, that's just ignorance on your part because you you haven't read Pride and Prejudice.

17:24Em: Well, exactly. I was gonna say it's based on a fact that one of the most famous books of all time.

17:31KT: It is a truth universally acknowledged that you need to discard Oti's opinion. There you go. Yes.

17:38Em: Because it's all about his growth. It's all about, yes, he is stuck up at the start and you know, he is, you know, proud and haughty and all of that. But it's his growth as a character. He learns to He learns, you know, humility and to understand. And obviously it goes into more detail in the fabulous Jane Austen novel Pride and Prejudice, which is an excellent book, by the way, one of my absolute favorites. And it goes into more detail in the book and they can't obviously do that

18:12Em: an hour and a half, two hour movie. But I think they do a reasonable job of making Mark Darcy kind of

18:21Em: He's a bit standoffish at the start but you're like, Oh, he's nice. And then he's like, I'm not interested. And she's like, I'm not interested either. And then she's like, Oh, I might be interested. And he's like, No, I'm not interested in you. And then he's like, But actually I am quite interested in her because I like her just as she is. And she's like, Oh my God, he likes me just as I am. And then it's just it's just wonderful.

18:43KT: And, like, I'm vigorously nodding right now. And, you know, sometimes people are like, you know, the way you guys talk, I want to see a video podcast. And there are reasons why, and this is the number one reason why we don't do video podcasts because I am, like, one step away from strangling this man. How dare you?

19:03Oti: If he wasn't attracted to her, this movie would have ended ages ago. Just saying. Like, the first interaction they had at the party, that would have pretty much be the end of it, to be honest.

19:16KT: Oh, I'm glad you put that at the end. That that really clears things up. That's great. So I I understand because that's the whole that's the whole cliche. Right? If you've read Pride and Prejudice, you know how mister Darcy is and how he has an erection, but you don't get to see that exciting part. You just see his erection face. Right? That that's for that's for all of the fans. No one else is going to benefit aside from the fans. But okay. I get that. Fine. I I will allow you that much.

19:46KT: Right? But then even when we got nearer to the end of the movie oh, sorry. This is such an iconic movie. Spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers. I I didn't mention that, but it's on you. If you haven't watched it till this long, maybe you need KT in your life to force you to watch this. Okay? Welcome. Everybody should watch this movie. Or you need to go to Britain and be forced to watch it as part of the retail. Yes.

20:09KT: Yes. Come over, and you'll probably watch it on the plane or something before you land, and your your access will be granted into The UK United Kingdom. Can we have, like, Pride and Prejudice Bridget Jones, like, TSA agents? And then Em, you can be there, and I can be in Australia, and I can redirect them back. Oh my god. This is a whole spin off. This is a whole spin off. Right? Yeah. I did have a point. Like my love for Oti, it is running away, but I did have a point. Yes.

20:41KT: Okay. So I get it because that's the whole point. You're supposed to be like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? So I get that. But even when he started to have redeeming qualities, which we'll go through but, you know, the blue soup, that's enough. Right? The fact that he was helping Bridget and just calming it down and making everything okay, Even when it got to that point and you can see the character development, Oti just shrugged and was like, fine. And I'm like, woah. Hey. Something is amiss, my friend. Something is seriously

21:13Oti: I'll just not drunk the Colin Firth Kool Aid.

21:17Em: But but the thing is, the man's a national treasure. Like, who is so sick the whole of Great Britain.

21:24KT: He's an international.

21:26Em: He's one of the best actors, I think, that we've kind of had and got. And he I mean, he's obviously gorgeous, which helps.

21:37KT: And Wait. Hang on. Hang on, Em. Let me ask Oti this. And it might affect him because we've been together for nine years, and I've swooned over Colin Firth for all those years. Do you, as a man, find Colin Firth attractive?

21:52Oti: Yeah. He's he's good looking.

21:52KT: Oh, thank god. Okay. There's hope. Redeemed.

21:52Em: I mean Oh my god. We were we were this close to kicking you out, Oti. Like and just having, like, me and KT just just go on ahead without you. Yeah. And then it'll be verbal diarrhea on your own. Okay.

22:12KT: Fine. So so so you you you you understand the legacy that Colin Firth has and he will continue to have till the end of the

22:23Oti: seen him in amazing roles where he's performed brilliantly. Like, I know he's talented. I get it. Okay. Just to give you a bit of context.

22:23KT: Oh, no. Are you gonna bring up Hugh Grant again?

22:23Oti: No. I think the first things that I ever the first times that we ever talked with KT, she brought up Colin Firth, I think, three times. You're welcome.

22:48KT: I don't remember that, but I believe it.

22:51Oti: So I really did understand the love she has for him because I had seen him in a few things here and there, but I was like, oh, you know, I'm just another actor.

23:02KT: It's gonna be the shortest this is either gonna be the shortest or the most Colin Firthest podcast and I'm fine with either.

23:08Oti: But let me ask you, if Mark Darcy hadn't seen

23:12Oti: Bridget with

23:14Oti: Hugh Grant in the party, do you think he'd still be interested like, oh, I think the fuck that Hugh Grant was paying attention to, I was like, oh, maybe I need to

23:14KT: Okay. So you've banned me from clapping on this podcast. So I'm just going flail my arms around. Are you forgetting the subplot

23:31KT: of what happened between Darcy and Hugh Grant's character? And that's what I'm saying. Like, fuck that Hugh Grant You didn't get off it. So the the fact that Hugh Grant swooped on in and Bitch was not faithful. But, anyway, Hugh Grant swooping in and just during coitus with the wife, Colin Firth walks in, and you're fine with that. And and he's still

23:31Oti: No. I'm not fine with that.

23:57Em: But I think the point is the point that KT's trying to make is obviously I can tell she's getting quite angry.

23:57KT: I'm inconsolable.

23:57Em: The I but the thing is is we so if you think of it from Mark Darcy's point of view, obviously, Daniel Cleaver stole his wife And from so he knows that Daniel Cleaver is not a good person.

24:21Em: And obviously we know that Mark's got history with Bridget because it's like the whole, Oh, you used to play my paddling pool naked, you know, and all of that. So they grew up together as children. And so at that point, I don't think he's like, Oh, I like her. I think he's like, I know what this guy's like. I need to try and protect her. I need to look out for her. And it kind of grows. I think the his feelings for her kind of grow from that because of the exposure

24:47Em: that he kind of gets to, you know, being close to her. But I think ultimately, he sees Daniel Cleaver for what he is. He knows that she's going get her heart broken and he thinks, I'm going to be the bigger man. I'm going to try and do something about it. And I think that's really admirable because outwardly, we see this kind of really haughty, stuffy, standoffish, kind of a bit two up himself man in Mark Darcy. But ultimately, knows

25:18Em: to do the right thing, he's a guy who does the right thing. And to do the right thing, he has to try and protect Bridget because he knows that Daniel Cleaver's gonna break her heart. Woah and behold, he does. And I think Bridget's kind of, well, I'm an independent woman, can do what I want. But she's also not told the truth by Daniel Cleaver because she thinks that it's Mark Darcy who's the bad man. I think that Mark Darcy is actually quite admirable.

25:52Em: And I don't think it's a case of he wants to bang Bridget, but I think he just wants to look out for her. And and those kind of feelings come a bit later. Not in my opinion, anyway.

26:01KT: Can I take you to my work meetings? Because I feel like you'll more amicably express how I feel in the office.

26:13Em: I think I I always try and I'm one of those people where I'm always trying to look at something, like, logically and and with empathy is what I'm trying to say. But I always try and look at a character's motivations and what a character does by looking at that character and what we know about that character. And I think with Mark Darcy, he does come across as a bit of a dick at the start. I'm not saying that he doesn't do

26:13KT: It's always warranted though.

26:37Em: Pardon?

26:37KT: It's always warranted.

26:39Em: Well, exactly. Because he knows what this guy's like. And obviously, I have this thing with And I know Oti probably wants to start talking about Daniel Cleaver, because obviously, Daniel Cleaver to Oti is, I don't know, like actually,

26:56Em: Oti, what what what do you think of Hugh Grant in this movie? Like, do you like Hugh Grant in it?

26:56Oti: Not that I like Hugh Grant. I just feel like he was being who is, and everybody wanted him to be different.

26:56KT: Which is trash. Just because he is who he is doesn't mean he's great.

26:56Oti: Clearly, he's a playboy. Bridget seduces

27:15Oti: him in the office.

27:15KT: Woah. Woah. Hang on.

27:22KT: I can't believe you're defending Daniel Cleaver.

27:22Oti: I am not defending him. I'm just trying to put some context into it.

27:30KT: If these are your aspirations, then I am worried.

27:33Oti: No. He's he's not a great guy, but I feel like he's misunderstood just a little bit or at least people expect him to be something that he's not.

27:44KT: What do you mean? Everyone knows that he was rolling in films.

27:44Oti: After after about a week of being together, Bridget was already expecting them to be married or or something.

27:44KT: We'll talk about that. That's its own thing because they were not in a relationship. That does not constitute a relationship, so that's fine. But just because he enjoyed women

28:03KT: doesn't just what? Just because he was forthright with it, then that's fine?

28:03Oti: I feel like you know what you're getting into. And if you get burnt, at least you're aware.

28:03KT: Okay. That's fair play. That's like, know what you're getting into, whether it's someone you can go and have groceries with or it's someone that you can have a hot night of passion in their bedchambers.

28:25Em: Yeah. But I I argue that Bridget doesn't know who Daniel Cleaver is because she She can't lies talk to her. And he says to her, Oh yeah, it's actually Mark Darcy who's a bit of a dick to me and he stole my wife from me and blah blah blah. And plays the sympathy card and that of endears him to her because obviously, yeah, all he wants to do is getting her knickers. That's fine as a character. He's a playboy. But he doesn't do it genuinely.

28:56Em: He lies to her to get into her pants at the end of the day. And that kind of just makes him a bit of a dickhead.

29:03KT: I I agree to a fault because he yes. He did lie to her. But in any case, if you remove all of that, he's not husband material.

29:13Em: Oh, I mean,

29:15KT: how do like because I think he said that they hooked up on Thursday and then it was now Tuesday or it it was, like, less than a week. So for Bridget to conjure up, you know, amicable fulfilling relationship, that was kind of on her.

29:33Em: Yeah. Okay. That's fair. That's a fair comment to make. But I think that she is obviously the sort of person who loves very easily and very quickly. And she is very enamored by him and his good looks and the fact that he's interested in her. Because I think if any kind of good looking guy comes up to you and starts chatting you up, your immediate little bit

30:01KT: I always say no, Em. Oti, stop looking at me. I always say no. Don't even breathe in my direction.

30:09Em: But, you know, when you're single, obviously I mean, I don't mean when you're in a happy, committed relationship with someone who doesn't like Colin Firth.

30:17KT: When you're Wow, that hurts. That hurts more.

30:21Em: But I think it's only natural that if you've got this good looking guy coming onto you and he's really suave and knows all the moves and I mean, I've said before many times, I always, in my history, been attracted to the bad boy, to the Daniel Cleaver. It's got me nowhere in life. But it's really sexy. And he is a really kind of sexy character. I totally understand

30:49Em: completely why Bridget is all about him. And I can also understand, I mean I'm not as maybe forthright as Bridget, but I can kind of understand a little bit why she's like, Oh my God, he's the one. Because he's so sexy, he's really into her, they have great sex, he's gorgeous. So she's got all of this hormones and stuff running through her body and she's all like, Yeah, yeah, this is the one for me. And then she realizes it's only been five days or something ridiculous.

31:20KT: But I can understand. Without digressing too much, I think it's an evolutionary thing. Like, in primitive times, you are looking for the man that's gonna survive and not be hiding behind a rock. And most of those sort of guys are the bad guys. You know, like, the bad boys, are the ones that take the risks. Right? And, you know, whether it's yourself or, you know, whether it's friends, like, sometimes it's good to also have a support network. So when you deal with the guys that have the great sex, but they're terrible people,

31:49KT: you have people to rely on, which Bridget also has. Mhmm. To a fault in this film. Right? I don't think we need to go into my first impressions. I think all of my impressions have been laid down already. I kind of conjured a YouTube channel just so I could swoon over Colin Firth on another platform. But we we all know how I feel. But let let's just literally let's keep going. Let's explore this because there is a lot about relationships.

32:22KT: And, you know, Oti and I have been together for a long time, so I don't think we can really relate to dating and how hard it is, unless it's, like, vicariously through, like, swiping through our friends' Tinder. For them, not for us. Very wanna make that very clear. But let's let's dive into the characters. So we've already started talking about Bridget Jones. Mhmm. I think it's I think it's very

32:47KT: pivotal that we point out the time in the life that she's in now. And I also feel like if you were to watch this film now, like, Oti, you watch it for the first time, it's even more relevant now because people are getting married later. People are having kids later, and they are choosing to pursue their careers. Not to say that wasn't happening in 2001, but I feel like it's more prevalent now. Even though the societal pressures of getting married and having kids hasn't gone away or has been diminished in any way.

33:18KT: But I do feel like more and more people are more consciously deciding how to map out the rest of their lives. And that's where Bridget is at the start of the film and pretty much through the rest of the trilogy as well. And I I really appreciate the bond that she has, particularly with her dad.

33:37Em: He's so lovely. I mean Jim Broadbent. Yeah. He's also an international treasure. I love him. I think he's wonderful. I just yeah. I I absolutely love Jim Broadbent. I think he's absolutely wonderful in every single film he's ever been in.

33:55KT: I I think he can do no wrong. And I I've only ever like, Morgan Freeman, I've only ever seen him as an old person. But from from his career that I've seen, I feel like he can do no wrong. And he is a treasure, and he's a delight. Like, every time he's on the screen, I'm like, yes, please. Continue this. I wanna see this develop.

34:14Oti: Yeah. He's he's quite good in this. And the fact the only qualm I had with him is taking back his wife after the wife pretty much walking out of their marriage, having sexual relations with another person, being live on air and you could tell they're flatting is just quite really annoying that at the end of it, all he does is take her back without any question. Just come back. You'll it was weird. I feel like that more unnatural than it would be.

34:46KT: I feel like this has become the relationship. I'm just saying, like, in I get your I get your point because Jim Broadbent's character, I think he's just credited as Bridget's dad. He seemed like a really good guy. Like, he seemed like a really good guy. So when you have a movie and you have a really good character and something wrong happens to them, you're like, hey. That's not fair.

35:11KT: Like, how how does how is that allowed to happen to a character that is inherently good? But if you noticed, especially near the end of the film, Bridget's mom was saying, you don't notice me anymore. Right? Sometimes it doesn't have to be a catastrophic,

35:27KT: dramatic thing for you to be a better person or shift the dynamics of your relationship. You know? You wouldn't even know Oti. After being together for so long, sometimes it is easy just to make sure you've got a pulse and then go and have the rest of your day. You know what I mean? Like, it's important to check-in with your significant other

35:47KT: and make sure that they're okay. Because, you know, a relationship is a living thing, and you need to make sure that, you know, your needs and your growth is heading in the same direction.

35:57Em: Yeah. No. I I I would I would agree with that. And I think sort of speaking about their experience, I've always kind of thought that it was a bit odd that he just kind of lets her back at the end. But I think he obviously I think like KT just said, a relationship's a two way street. And she's made mistakes, obviously, by going off with this Permitent host of a I TV

36:23Em: mean, he is something else. And the thing is, his character obviously starts off a little bit like Daniel Cleaver as well because he's all charming and suave and complements her. So really, it's a bit like mother like daughter in that regard. Bridget's mum is enthralled by the attention from this guy, attention that she isn't getting from her husband at home. And yeah, she does start a relationship with this man and then this man kind of turns and is all, you know, at the end of the film, he's really nasty. Then you're like, it's quite

37:01Em: a natural thing, I think, for a person like that who literally just wants to get laid to start out really charming, really nice, really flattering and then turn. And I think Bridget's mom obviously realized she's made a terrible mistake and that Bridget's dad is such a kind, sweet, lovely man. But he's also made mistakes as well in not appreciating his wife. But it is kind of sweet in a way because they get back together at the end and you can see that he takes the time to compliment her and

37:37Em: it's actually kind of nice. So I think it's important that even though it's a romantic comedy and you kind of Bridget's parents were never going to get divorced or anything at the end because it's not the romantic comedy way, I think sometimes there are relationships where someone will leave for a period of time and then come back and the other person will accept that for their own reasons. But I think that in this scenario, it's quite clear that they have both made mistakes

38:10Em: and they're both willing to work on them and be together at the end. And I think that's kind of sweet, actually. But then, I don't know, maybe I'm a little bit sentimental, I guess, because I kind of like to see the good in people, maybe.

38:27KT: Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't work for our brand. Sorry.

38:31Em: That's too nice, aren't I? I should I should just go.

38:37KT: But, yeah, just just to finish off that particular topic. If, you know, you guys are going through a hard time through your relationship and you just happened across this episode, I think it is very important to communicate how you're feeling. It might turn into you breaking up eventually, but, you know, it's always good to communicate your needs and your wants instead of just going off and doing whatever and having to deal with the damage afterwards because Jim Broadbent doesn't deserve that. So just think about that.

39:06Em: Always think about Jim Broadbent. And what what would Jim Broadbent do in that situation? And then if you think Jim Broadbent would do it, you do it. End of Ted

39:17KT: Just chewing those Broadbent beans. There you are. You are most welcome. Might not say the word dicks, but I'm going to get it in there. Don't you will. Don't you worry. So Bridget Jones actually has a lot of facets to her. There are quite a lot of scenes that go on, and I think, naturally, we're going to pick up on other characters as we go.

39:44KT: I think it's quite important just to talk about her friends and who she keeps around her. They're good, and I loved watching them on screen, but I don't think I necessarily want them as my support network, to be perfectly honest.

39:56Em: They are extravagant.

40:03KT: They're a lot, yeah.

40:06Em: There's kind of a bit of everything though, isn't there? She's got her gay best friend. Got the kind of really outgoing friend in Shaz. And then she's got, like, a bit more of a sensitive friend And as I always kind of question because with friend groups, you kind of naturally kind of stick with similar people or the same And sort of I do kind of feel like would I mean, maybe it's because I've never had a friend group where I've got those three of tropes

40:43Em: that way. I've not got a sensitive friend, a really outgoing friend and a gay best friend, kind of, altogether. So maybe that's why I'm a little bit like I'm I don't know. Maybe that's just why I'm think it's a bit too far fetched, maybe, but I'm sure there are friend groups out there like that.

41:04KT: Yeah. It's like, I like the idea of, like, having those sort of friends, but then I'm also like, can I stay in my pyjamas and watch movies with my man and my dog? Like Okay. Can I do can I do that instead? But they were quite interesting in the way I don't know. Maybe because Bridget was very vocal about her insecurities, maybe it was nice having friends that didn't

41:29KT: fully immerse themselves. You know? Because I guess if you're having insecurities, maybe it's nice to have friends that are a bit lighter and kind of not dismiss it, but, like, brush it off instead of being in there with you and you continually diving deeper into your insecurities. I don't I don't know what's better, but maybe that was good for her.

41:43Em: I think it was definitely good for the movie in a sense that we know that Bridget has this diary and we know that she smokes too much and drinks too much and Well, we we can talk about the fat shaming a bit later. But, you know, she talks about her weight a lot. And I think it's quite good actually that the movie

42:10Em: dwells on it in a sense that it's kind of what the movie's based around. The fact that she thinks she's a terrible person because she drinks too much and smokes too much and eats too much or whatever. But her friends just kind of appreciate her for who she is and kind of try and constantly get her to do things like constantly take her out and constantly give her ideas of things to do and give her advice. They don't agree

42:38Em: on those points because I think that would be too much. If the movie was telling you she smokes too much and her friends were like Bridget, you smoke too much. That would kind of be a bit too much. So I'm kind of glad that her friends don't comment on those things. For the fact that the movie would then feel a bit kind of claustrophobic in that all we care about Bridget is that she smokes and drinks and she thinks she's too fat. And

43:03Em: it's not about that really. It's just that's kind of a part of Bridget's personality that she kind of has an issue with. And the movie does reference it, but her friends don't. And I like that.

43:15KT: Yeah. And I I think it's it's quite a nice dynamic that they have as well. And especially when she came back to say he likes me or, you know, mister Darcy loves me just or likes me just the way I am.

43:29Em: That was quite a nice moment as well. I mean, it's just such a lovely moment generally. I think I wrote in my notes that the phrase I like you just as you are, that is literally what everyone wants to hear. Everyone. There is no one in the world who doesn't want someone to say to them I like you just as you are. It's it's this it's this most simplest little phrase in the world, but it means so much really.

43:57KT: Yeah. It it it would mean so much to hear that.

44:00Oti: I like you just as you are.

44:00KT: Oh, thank you. Thank you.

44:00Em: I can't help but feel like he was forced and coerced into doing that.

44:10KT: Well, I I don't edit it, so I guess that's going to stay in there. But I think, like I don't know. Oti, you can weigh in if you want to. But, yeah, as a woman, it's like years and years of media and your family and if you go to church and school of just telling you that you're not enough and you need to be a certain way. And it's it's literally you won't or you're not allowed to feel good about yourself until you get to this point. Right?

44:43KT: So it's nice to have love from the onset and get continual love as you better yourself. Right?

44:49Em: Yeah. And I think as well with And there is a certain amount of argument, I think, for self love. But I think by the end of the movie, I think Bridget does love herself. You know, She spent her whole life counting calories and comparing herself to other people. When, and we can talk about certain scenes, I guess, in a little bit, but when she's talking about all of her married friends and how uncomfortable that makes her feel. And I think kind of by the end of the movie, she kind of accepts

45:27Em: who she is. And I think it's important, when we're talking about a romantic comedy, it's generally- Most romantic comedies are generally about the love between a man and a woman. But I think we are kind of getting to a point in movies where that kind of dynamic isn't as important. And when I say that, I mean that you could have movies where your couples are two men or two women. But I think what I'm trying to say is that self love

46:02Em: is kind of becoming a bit more apparent as well. That it doesn't matter how much someone loves you, whether you're a man or a woman or they're a man or a woman or whatever. But it's important that you love yourself because if you don't love yourself, then how can you get love from another person? Am I making sense?

46:27KT: Yeah. Complete complete sense. And you actually can try to love another person if you don't love yourself. But what happens is you start to take from them the gaps that you have in yourself.

46:41Em: This podcast has gone really deep all of a sudden, hasn't it? And not

46:46KT: and not sexually. It's a it's it's a strange feeling, but I'm getting just as much pleasure, I can assure you.

46:53Em: I hope your listeners are as well, though. I I I think they're I think they're in a good stroke right now. Definitely. I think we need to kind of start talking about Colin Firth and kind of, you know, bring it back around to the topic that everyone wants to hear, apart from Oti.

47:09KT: Yeah. Now I wish there was a camera on his face right now. So so let's let's let's talk about scenes. Let's let's focus on specific scenes with Colin Firth and Hugh Grant.

47:21Oti: Okay. Oh, boy. Yep.

47:24KT: Okay. You get to choose residential Oti. Do you wanna do you wanna focus more on Hugh Grant or Colin Firth? Why am I asking?

47:32Oti: No. Let's let's go with Colin Firth.

47:35KT: Okay. So we we understand that they had a childhood together, but there wasn't really anything surfacing. It was more him trying to look out for Bridget. Mhmm. Right? And then we get to some very tender moments in the film. So, you know, Em was just mentioning being inside of that dinner party where literally everyone is married. And, you know, we're together, but we also get that sort of pressure of when are you gonna get married? When are you gonna have kids? Right? But it's during that scene

48:10KT: where we have that, you know, Colin Firth, not necessarily confessing as much as I would have enjoyed, but he did talk about Bridget Jones saying, I like you just the way you are. You're terrible at public speaking and pretty much everything else. But And and the verbal diarrhea. Yes. And the verbal diarrhea. But I I like you just the way you are. And the funniest thing is because,

48:33KT: you know, in the dating game, you're just so used to being confused and playing games. Like, that's the default. Mhmm. Right? So to have someone to be so genuinely honest, you know, Imani Myrtle was like, oh, are you sure not, like, skinnier or with perkier boobs? Like, are you sure that's exactly what he said? And they actually referenced that, which is a callback. You're welcome. Later in the scene where they're having dinner at Bridget's house, where they're giving her a toast saying, just the way you are. Oh, I love that.

49:06Em: Love because that's the scene with the blue soup. I love that Bridget can't cook. I think that's amazing.

49:16KT: Well, I think it would be a disservice for her to just whip up a three Michelin star meal.

49:23Oti: Absolutely. Not just something edible would have passed.

49:26Em: Mark Darcy comes around and he helps her. And I just think it's one of my favorite scenes with her and him because he's just, I mean, he's gorgeous obviously. But he does everything he can. He suggests all these things and he's like, Oh, let's try this. Let's do this instead. We can do it. It's fine. Let's go ahead. And it's an absolute disaster but it's just so wonderful. And I know that's at the end of the movie and maybe I'm skipping ahead, but I love it.

50:00KT: No. But but that's like one of the most beautiful things because, yes, you know, you you can go on YouTube and watch like proposal compilations, which I like to do sometimes. It's, like, watching people propose and girls girls saying no in a shopping mall. Like like, my my whole point, there's a a grandiose feeling about romantic sort of gestures. Right? But this particular scene where Mark Darcy is helping Bridget, it's it's literally not that. It's behind closed doors,

50:29KT: and it's it's those small sort of gestures that really add up in regards to building that foundation of something that's real. Mhmm.

50:29Oti: But then doesn't Daniel Cleaver show up in this scene?

50:41KT: Yeah. And Bridget Jones is all confused all over again. Yeah. That was a bit flaky, but maybe it's like the rom com sort of format. But that was a bit dodgy. Yeah. So you have this guy who's just cheated on you,

50:53Oti: come back, declaring his love for you, I think, just because pretty much he couldn't have her. Yeah. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you you you're forgetting about this amazing bloke who's helping you cook for your friends. Thank you. Yes. Mhmm. Yeah. I'm just trying to appease everyone over here. But it's just a weird scene where Bridget is supposed to be, well, not intelligent. Well, I wouldn't call her intelligent. Mhmm. But

51:27Oti: regardless of that, at least you should be emotionally aware of what's right for you at that point in time.

51:36Em: But I think you can't control your feelings, really. I think if with hindsight, I don't think anyone would say that they've made an excellent decision when feelings are involved. And I think that she obviously has feelings for Mark and it's quite clear because they're so wonderful together in this movie. Then obviously when Daniel comes round, it's something that you can't control. Essentially your ex, your most recent ex, comes back into your life all of a sudden, especially if maybe you didn't part particularly well, but the sex was really good. And you would kind of naturally get those feelings.

52:20Em: Bridget's reaction in a way because here's this guy who says that he's kind and he's sweet and he's the good guy. He's the one that she should want. And she probably does. Obviously she does. But then this other guy who's a bit of a rogue, a bit naughty, very sexy, who takes her out of her comfort zone a little bit more turns up and it's like this, Well, I like this guy but I also like this guy. And you I

52:50Em: think it's easy to scream at the TV and go, Well Bridget, what are you doing? Don't be an idiot. Mark Darcy is there.

52:57Em: In real life-

52:57KT: That's a dick though.

52:59Em: In real life, I think you would experience that confusion. Especially when you've got Colin Firth and Hugh Grant and you've got to choose between them. I mean, in real life, that would probably be a little bit impossible Colin Firth, obviously. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm just looking at it from how I would, if I were Bridget. And obviously, in this scenario, in this podcast, I am the closest thing to Bridget Jones on this podcast, really.

53:29KT: I'm sad that it took this long for you to say it because I didn't wanna have to impose that title on you. You can call me Bridget. It's fine.

53:38Em: Let's just start it. I'll just change my name, move to London. I think, no, she does live in London, but her parents live in the home counties. And yeah, I'll get a ridiculously expensive flat in London. I'm sorry, that flat will cost her an absolute fortune. Prices in London are crazy. So, she must earn a hell of a lot of money, Even if it was back If in 2000 and

54:05KT: you didn't think shit was going to get real on this podcast and you wanted to talk about economics and real estate, you were wrong, my friend. Hashtag.

54:10Em: I am so sorry for bringing this podcast down. It should be up in the crazy stratosphere it usually is. And I feel like I'm bringing it down, back to a normality level. So apologize.

54:29KT: Go where we need to go. Bridget Diorama. We gotta make it happen. Yes.

54:36Em: Oh yes, preach.

54:40KT: There you go. We've achieved all we can. I feel like the only responses we can do is in the form of GIFs. Not GIFs. Not GIFs. We don't know her. Well, I guess in in instead of going all the way with Colin Firth, which is what I would love to do on every daily basis, let's let's catch up with Cleaver's character. Right? I think I think the formative sort of scenes we have is they go through this honeymoon sort of phase. They're having great sex, which I feel like everyone should experience.

55:12KT: Everyone should have whether it's with other persons, whether it's with yourself, or whether it's with the same person, people should have great sexual experiences. Mhmm. Right? And it's not to say you need to stay with the same person, but, you know, keep it spicy, guys. Start a podcast. That's what we did.

55:36Em: I am thinking things right now that I probably shouldn't be thinking about you guys, but you do you. That's that's that's all I'm gonna say. If you if you wanna podcast about certain experiences, you do it.

55:52KT: Do you remember earlier when I said there's a reason why we don't video podcasts?

55:59Em: I'd be down for watching it.

56:03KT: That's some premium content. We're still waiting for porn out to get back to us. Hey, y'all. And there you go. That is the follow through sexually and verbally. You're most welcome. See, that's why I can't be a verbal anything podcast.

56:18Em: It's just verbal

56:24KT: liquids. That's oh, wow.

56:29Em: Oh god. I can't cope. I can't. Oh, sorry. I'm I'm I'm gonna be professional and stop laughing.

56:38KT: Okay. Professional. It's okay. It's it's like it's it's perfectly fine. It's it's absolutely fine. And you know what? Like, at work, one of the guys is like, KT, you're fucking hilarious. Like, I love you. We have great banter, but I cannot imagine you in a romantic setting. And you know what I said to him? I said, I'm literally exactly the same. I I don't think I would be a good protagonist in a rom com. I'd be going around yanking all the dicks.

57:14Em: No. I think you would be an amazing protagonist in a rom com. In fact, I think we should petition Hollywood. I think we need to get some producers out there. I think we need to write to some people. Spielberg, JJ Abrams. I don't care. Let's get this done. Let's get this romantic comedy done. Is like the spiritual sequel to Bridget Jones. You could even have Oh my god. We could even get Colin involved. So basically we could have Colin Firth as like the bad guy character and then we could have Oti as the good guy character.

57:47Em: And then you could be all like, do I choose Colin? Do I choose Oti? I like Colin but I also like Oti but then I like Colin. And then you can be all like, what am I gonna do? And then in the end, who are you gonna choose? Obviously, this is where you say Oti. Say Oti.

58:04Em: Say Oti.

58:04Oti: I can see her face, and she's actually trying to think who she'd go with.

58:13KT: Okay. So so so let's be real. For your reference, listeners, I think more than five times on this podcast, I have mentioned that Oti's lady love is Halle Berry. And I have actually cordially, formally invited Halle Berry to this podcast, and I actually said that I would watch. So just just just to put it in context, I am very generous. Okay? So I'm allowed to have a qualm. Okay? Allow me this much. What we were talking about Cleaver. See? Yes. I just didn't wanna talk about him, and we we just went to a different

58:52KT: tangent. But I think one of the moments that, like, you know, the wires started to fray with Cleaver's character was when he was supposed to accompany Bridget to the tarts and vicars event. Mhmm. And she was wearing that cute bunny costume. Right? And he really so he was going to well, I don't I really don't believe he was going to go with her. And then right at the last minute, he was really dismissive

59:19KT: to her. Yeah. Like, no. You go. You'll be fine. I'm busy. And then I I don't remember what his retort was, but it was really aggressive. Like, I've got a real job or some something to that effect Yeah. To really diminish how Bridget was feeling in that moment, Oti specifically. Did you start to see the cogs turn for you that perhaps he wasn't

59:35Oti: I the just felt like Bridget came on too strong that night because that's when she said she loved him or she was planning their whole life together, which came off a bit too strong for anyone it would be because it's just been, what, five, six days. So it was understandable that he would try and get out or just leave, get some sort of perspective

60:02Oti: because it's it's it's scary. You've been with someone for a few days, and then they declare their love. Regardless of how heartfelt or how noble it is, it's still scary because he's not that kind of person. That's not him. He doesn't commit.

60:18Em: It's really interesting actually because I have never seen it from that point of view ever. And I find it so fascinating that what Oti just said because I've never seen, I've just seen it as well Daniel Cleaver's a dick. Like he's just a complete dickhead and all he wanted was to shag her and leave. And I never once thought that maybe she'd come on too strong and he was scared. Ever. I feel like a light bulb has just gone on and like bing! Because of yeah, that's

60:51Em: really interesting actually, that I'd never even thought of that. But I guess, I don't know, I'm not a dude so I've never been in a situation where a girl has told me that after a few days. But how interesting is that? It gives a complete different perspective, really, to his motivations, If you look at it that way.

61:16KT: I was literally just going to dismiss him. So you are a much better person than I am.

61:20Em: You're just still pissed about the whole point of birth thing, aren't you? I mean, I feel like this is a glitch that's gonna be days, weeks, months. I think this is gonna change For Your Reference forever.

61:33KT: No. I'm over it. It's fine.

61:36Oti: No. Just look at it this way. The second he leaves there after being told that he's going to be tied down to her after knowing her for what, five days, he goes out, goes back to the city, and just finds a way to cheat.

61:55KT: And even when Bridget But but we find out that Bridget is the one that he's cheating with because apparently, he had some sort of relationship, if you wanna call it a relationship, with a lady from New York. Yeah. Because they'd been together for a long time. Yeah. But, dude, he didn't have a meeting. He literally went back to that lady. Don't make it like some noble you know, like like, oh, it just happened. You didn't tumble and your dick perfectly fall in a vagina. That does not happen.

61:55Oti: Wasn't Colin also cheating?

62:25KT: Yeah. But he's acrobatic. What do you what do you want me to do? What do you mean cheating? That was his work colleague.

62:29Oti: Oh, they weren't together. So they weren't having any sort of sexual relations despite them going to couple events together and

62:36KT: For for high school, KT, I will say no. It was very amicable. They shook hands at the end of the night.

62:48Oti: Oh, well, if you think Colin is this angel, then fair play to you because I think there was he was also cheating. Like, maybe he didn't go all the way with Bridget or whatever,

63:00Oti: but the mere fact he just allowed himself in a situation where it could be construed as having feelings for Bridget or him wanting her in a in a sexual kind of way or being in a relationship with her, that's cheating. Right? He made himself open. And he was dating or not, this other person Everything is cheating. Or at least leading her.

63:00KT: Everything is a cheating. If a woman breathes in your direction, you are guilty for that, sir.

63:27Em: I think it's it's getting into a really interesting sort of topic of what constitutes cheating, I guess. But with Mark specifically and his, well she's like a business partner I guess. Natasha? I think she's called a business partner or like a fellow lawyer or something. And so they work closely together on all these cases. And I think that there could be an argument that he has led Natasha on. But I don't think the movie goes as far to kind of say, although I suppose they There is a comment later on about, Oh, we

64:09Em: hope that they're more than partners in future or something. I don't know.

64:09KT: Well, she was she's successful. She's at the level of Colin Firth professionally.

64:20KT: She's gorgeous. She takes care of herself. Like, I think in her brain, it was a no brainer that maybe they're not sexual now, but eventually, why not? Right? You know, she she's like she's like that guy, you know, that gets friend zoned that just hangs around like a vulture waiting to be chosen. You know what I mean? Like but she's more gorgeous, and she has tits. Maybe. Maybe. I I think. Yeah. I'm not going to shame small titties. I'm all about all of the titties. Everyone's about all the titties. Don't worry.

64:52KT: Tits are great. I think tits are great. All the tits in all the sizes.

64:57Oti: If if they made Natasha likable, people wouldn't love Mark Darcy as they do right now because Natasha came off as a really cruel person

65:07KT: in Well, the again, you're ignorant because Pride and Prejudice, so everyone's by default is going to love mister Darcy.

65:14KT: I I just stopped Em from being nice. I'm just gonna cut you off.

65:14Em: Yeah. You really did. I was actually gonna be all like, well, actually, Oti, you do raise some excellent points. That's great. You just swat her foot in there.

65:27KT: I think you found your British KT. Now you can evolve to your next level. But I I guess it is a very interesting sort of dynamic, and it might just be because Colin Firth was playing the role, but he is a very intrinsic internal actor. So it's very hard or it's not into I'm sorry. But it's not until sorry. I'm very professional. It's not until, like, two thirds or three quarters of any movie he's in for you to understand that he's conveying emotion

65:58KT: because that's the sort of actor that he is. So going back to Natasha, because Colin Firth was playing the role, it didn't seem like it was anything far from a working relationship. Because Colin Firth isn't, like, fully rubbing you up, like Hugh Grant's Cleaver sort of character. You know what I mean?

66:12Oti: Well, clearly, there was something there to the point where Mark Darcy's parents were pretty much putting them together as if that will be the next marriage.

66:12KT: Yeah. But two good looking people can be friends. Otherwise, I'm going to take all your work wives away.

66:12Oti: Well, tell Natasha about that. Because clearly, she didn't get the memo. She just didn't want to be friends with Darcy. She wanted more.

66:12KT: Well, exactly. What she did, Mark freaking Darcy. Of course, he'd want more.

66:39KT: I I forgot I forgot what show. We we were recently watching a show, and a guy was being really forward. And Oti's like, that is too much. And I'm like, if he was good looking, people will be like, oh, he's got initiative. So I think it kind of, like it kinda distorts stuff. But I definitely want us to talk about, like, the final scenes, especially between Cleaver and Darcy's character, but I just wanna make sure we capture off other scenes or other characters before we do that. Is there any character or scene you wanna talk about in particular, Em?

67:11Em: Well, I did make I made a couple of notes of the main kind of parts of the movie. So I just wanted to go over a couple of things. Thing number one: you do not wear pants over And I'm talking specifically about the scene in which Bridget has that beautiful kind of black dress on. They've just come back from the Kafka's Motorbike launch with Daniel Cleaver. And they're kind of getting down and she's got those massive granny pants on. But she wears them over her tights.

67:51Em: And why? That never happens. Actually, yeah. That is completely for the movie. And I don't know why they did that because you could still have them. So that means that her tights were actually-

68:05KT: Right on her.

68:10Em: Surely that would be uncomfortable or I don't know. I mean, I've never done it. Anyway-

68:16KT: Is that not a British thing?

68:18Em: That is not something that British people do. That's number one. The second thing that I just wanted to mention is British people do not have Tarts and Vicars parties. They are not a thing. I have never been invited to one. I've never known anyone who's had one. Yeah, fancy dress is a thing. People have fancy dress parties. But this whole Tarts and Vicars thing,

68:39Em: it just doesn't happen. It just doesn't. It's not a thing.

68:47Em: And I don't know if you wanted to talk about it in general. Think because I mentioned earlier about I have issues with the movie because of fat shaming. It's also super racist, this movie, retrospect. The way they talk about Japanese people. Because obviously Darcy's ex wife was Japanese. You don't meet her, but every single time they reference her, they say something like a very cruel race afterwards. And I'm like, What? Where does that come from? Is that like a war reference or something? I don't know. But it's

69:24Em: really jarring in the movie because you've got this light fluffy rom com and then it's super racist about Japanese people. And yeah, I don't know where that's come from at all. I'd just like to say, British people do not think that of Japanese people ever. Ever. So yeah, that's kind of a bit of a weird joke for me.

69:24KT: Yeah. It was a weird sort of movie to bring it up in, definitely.

69:24Em: Yeah. Because it's supposed to be a romantic comedy and I get that some comedies, especially the 80s, 90s, early 2000s,

70:03Em: can be super homophobic and super racist and you know, it's something that we just don't see in movies nowadays. Uh-huh. But it's really weird and out there. And I'm like, Yeah, but mean, because obviously this movie's set in London, but there's hardly any people of color in this movie anyway. I mean, it's just like, according to this movie, London is super white. That is just not true at all. And the other thing that I just wanted to reference because I love it was Mr. Titspervert.

70:39KT: Yeah, because we definitely didn't get to Titspervert. Titspervert.

70:45Em: I personally feel like if that was me, I would've ended up saying tits pervert. Yeah. Yeah. Because I love Bridget's inner monologue because she's all like tits pervert, tits pervert, tits pervert. And yeah. I just I love the little Bridget's inner monologue is one of my favorite things. Especially like the little fantasy scenes that she has and you know, when she's talking to Perpetua and then like Mr. Tits pervert. It's really funny. Oh, and the other thing that I just wanted to mention was there's a lot of sexual harassment as well.

71:20KT: And that's exactly the point because she calls him tits pervert. Right? Because he's tits pervert, essentially. But then Hugh Grant Hugh get Hugh Grant gets in the elevator and, like, pinches. Or I think he gets a full on grope of her ass. Yeah. Yeah. That okay? Because he's conventionally good looking. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Is it okay then?

71:41Em: I I would say it's never okay regardless of the I mean, I think if the person's good looking and you've kind of expressed to them that you want it, then that's kind of fair. But he just kind of goes for it. And she's just like, Oh. And if it was me, I would have like, patted his hand away and go, What the fuck are you doing, mate? You leave me alone.

72:04Em: Regardless of how good looking the guy is. It's just, yeah. It's there's a lot of and like the weird uncle as well. Like uncle oh what is his name? Uncle

72:14Oti: Oh yeah. That was creepy. Yeah. And he's like

72:18Em: like touching And I'm like, what? And it's like acceptable.

72:24Em: And I'm like, what is this

72:26Oti: Who whose uncle pinches their ass?

72:31Em: I know. Oh, it's it's real it's it's it's like there's a line and it's really going beyond that line in that regard for me because it's like who in their right mind as of, you know, if you're going to a family event. But I don't think that he's like her proper uncle because I don't know if it's like because over here, we have friends of my parents, for example. I used to call them auntie an uncle when I was growing up.

72:58Em: So I think it's that. He's not really her uncle, but it doesn't actually make it any better. It actually makes it kind of worse.

73:04Em: It's just Yeah.

73:07Em: But yeah. I feel like I brought it down again. I'm ever so sorry. Oh, Bridget not Yeah. Absolutely. I'm just gonna put it out there. Bridget is not fat.

73:19KT: You're absolutely fine. You're absolutely fine. I'm really enjoying this episode, and I can't wait for people to hear about this. But, yeah, there were some problematic parts of the film where you're like, okay. It doesn't fit in a rom com, but then it's like but then where do you like, why would you put it in there to start off with? So I I definitely get your point. Yeah.

73:43Oti: Issue was like passing it off as normal, you know. That's where it it becomes a bit weird. Like the uncle pinching, they ask you like, yeah, that's not normal. Daniel Cleaver groping Bridget in the elevator, that's freaking weird.

73:57KT: I think it's like a thrill because they're not supposed to be doing that. Yeah. Wow. And this is why Oti and I don't work together.

74:07Oti: Because Other people report us.

74:13KT: Yeah. Other other names that were being workshopped for him on this podcast were Spanky, but we're not getting into that today.

74:21Em: Spanx pervert. There you go. Oh my god. Spanx pervert. Oh my god. I'm literally just gonna tweet Spanx pervert after this and see what I'm gonna do. I think that should just be your teaser for the episode. You could be all like, Hey guys, we've got a great episode coming up. The one clue that you need is Spanx pervert. And just leave it at that. And

74:44Em: that tweet will just fly into the stratosphere. It will be retweeted. It will be like, What is this? What is this? And it'll be like And then eventually it'll be Bridget Jones. And everyone will be like, Yeah, but why though? And then they'll realize it'll be legendary.

74:59KT: Then they'll all they'll all see. They'll all see. Because they talk about fat shaming, and they said that she gained twenty five pounds, which I think is about is it twelve kilos? Like Yeah. But that's not a lot. Like, that's if she's, like, overweight, that's not a lot. Like and there was no like, there's literally no love handles on her. But I do I think it was in Edge of Reason. She was trying to get out of bed post coitus with mister Darcy, and she was, like, covering up her jiggly bits.

75:30KT: And mister Darcy's like, I love your jiggly bits. And that's another beautiful moment where, you know, all of all of the things that, you know, you try to put on makeup and then run back in the bed so he doesn't see your naked face and you know what I mean? And, like, trying to hide your body and all of those insecurities, they all just melt away with mister Darcy. And that's such a beautiful thing.

75:53Em: Yeah. He's And do that. He's he's basically what women want. You know? That is that is it in a nutshell. What women want, someone like that, someone who's kind and respectful and, you know, just like treats you like a queen. Yeah, he's perfect. There's nothing else to say other than I just Yeah, I would If I need to stand in a queue to be anywhere near that, I will do it. I'll stand in that queue for days like a normal British person would.

76:29Oti: Yeah. What Women Want is a Mel Gibson movie.

76:35KT: Don't wanna talk about that.

76:37Oti: Because I don't write that. That's all.

76:41KT: How how how long how long were you holding onto that in your pocket, my friend? I feel like that is like that is complete sidebar.

76:54Em: That is not I put it on record, that is not what women want. Mel Gibson is nothing what women want. Ever.

77:03Oti: Isn't he Australian?

77:07KT: No. I think he was born in New York, wasn't he?

77:10Oti: He's Aussie. Claim your man.

77:14Em: You know what? There a plenty of excellent Australian men that aren't Mel Gibson that you could claim?

77:21Oti: Yeah. Like Russell Crowe.

77:23KT: I think he was born in New Zealand, but we'll claim him because he has the Rabbitohs. But you know what? You said claim your man. I was literally going to say very rarely, you know, the rare KT edition. I was literally going to say something nice about you and claim you. But then you went off on your little tangent, and now you know how For Your Reference came to be because I was literally going to get all mushy about you, and that's what you do. You're welcome. So you know what?

77:52KT: You can sit in your post Mel Gibson juice because no one wants that. You sip on that. You you continue to have that.

77:52Em: I feel like KT's just put you in the naughty corner.

78:04Em: You know, like when you want someone to know that's naughty corner. Think that's where you are, Oti.

78:13KT: In the For Your Reference household, the naughty corner is the nasty corner, and you actually wanna be there. And he is not in there right now, so he is not having a good

78:24Em: I think I would actually quite like to hear you guys like, Oh God, I was going to say gush over each other, but that sounds kind of wrong. I mean it be really sweet and nice to each other because I absolutely love just going off on a little tangent, sorry. But when I listen to your podcast, I love your rapport and the banter that you guys have. I absolutely adore it. And I would actually really love for you to have a little Mark Darcy, Bridget Jones moment of Oti saying something nice and then

79:00Em: KT saying something nice back. I think that would be quite sweet.

79:04Oti: Yeah, said something nice earlier.

79:04Em: Really?

79:10Oti: I like you just the way you are, I said that.

79:10Em: Yeah. But you were forced. It's it sounds

79:16Oti: My my still came out of my mouth. Hey. Hey.

79:20KT: Hey. He likes being forced with me. It's just

79:26Em: I mean, I think we're kind of building a picture of your relationship here, which honestly, I'm kind of liking. Bridget Jones. Bridget Jones. Is what we're talking about. Oh. Oh. Can I talk about my favorite, favorite, favorite scene?

79:44KT: Please do.

79:46Em: All I'm gonna say to you is nice boys don't kiss like that. Oh yes, they fucking do.

79:53KT: I wanted to end on that, but yes. Sorry.

79:57Em: I love it. I love it so much. That is like everything. That is everything that we want. Nice boys that can kiss like that and the word fuck sentence.

80:12KT: Which is probably what they did on the street in front of all those people. Yeah. I mean, the the way they kind of get there with the whole

80:19Em: they're just about to shag and then he reads her diary and then he leaves and she's like, where's he gone? And that whole leaving just before sex to buy her a new diary. I'm like, yeah, that doesn't make sense. But I kind of like that it's all in the snow and it's all sweet. But yeah, the movie, it doesn't work. The fact that the movie kind of plays it that, oh, he's mad because he's read shit about him in a diary and so he's left. But actually, twist,

80:49Em: he was gonna buy her a new diary. And I'm like, yeah, that doesn't work at all. Like, it just doesn't make any sense. But the whole nice boys don't kiss like that, oh, yeah. I forgive it.

80:59KT: I'm just like Oh, yeah. Totally. Yeah. For as much of the rom com tropes that this movie had, I like that it dispelled the whole notion of if you're a nice guy, then you don't know how to take charge sexually. You know what I mean? And that's exactly what we got with Colin Firth, and that's exactly what I get with Oti. There you go. That's something that's been so sexual.

80:59Em: Yeah. That is nice. You love each other.

80:59KT: I know. We need to hide that. Dicks. Dicks and titties. Dicks. Let's go into For Your Reference,

81:39KT: if you guys are listening for the first time because you're Diorama or Bridget Diorama fans. This is the this is the part of the I feel like we all have, like, viral tags now because you're like Bridget Diorama. We have fake Oti, but also Aussie Oti of the gods. Mhmm. And, also, I'm going to start a petition as well. But let's let's go into For Your Reference. So if you enjoyed the Bridget Jones trilogy or just Bridget Jones' Diary specifically,

82:11KT: we are going to reference or suggest TV shows or movies that you might also enjoy as well. Okay.

82:22Em: Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that you were prompting me do that. So I have a couple of recommendations if people really, really enjoy Bridget Jones or even if they haven't seen Bridget Jones but they want to see something that's a bit similar. Well, now obviously I've got two recommendations but the first one is pretty obvious because it's the original 1995 BBC Pride and Prejudice, which also stars Colin Firth as Mr Darcy.

82:51Em: It's one of my absolute favorites. I've got it on I remember it's one of the few things that I had on VHS. I bought it on DVD and I have it on Blu ray because I love it so much. It's so gorgeous. It's got a massive, wonderful cast, but it's one of the best adaptations of Pride and Prejudice that I've ever seen. Sort of, they've done a few adaptations. And it's, Colin Firth is wonderful. We don't acknowledge

83:17Em: the Keira Knightley version in the foyer of the Fantastic. I actually don't like that as much as people think that I should, I guess, because I saw it at the cinema and I was like, but they miss this bit and they miss this bit. Because it's like, how do you condense that whole book into two hours? It's impossible. And the BBC series, believe from memory, I think it's six episodes and I think it's an hour each. But it's so wonderfully done. And the acting and the sets and the costumes are incredible. It's from 1995.

83:50Em: So it's obviously getting on in age, but it's timeless, really. And that's where Colin Firth really came into our hearts and into our And, yeah, he's great Mr. Darcy. And you get more history of the Darcy character and why he is the way he is. Yeah, so that's my first recommendation, specifically the 1995 BBC serial. But my other recommendation is another sort of lesser known British rom com, which I very much enjoy. It's called Sliding Doors. I've mentioned it a few times on my podcast. It stars Gwyneth Paltrow and John Hannah.

84:35Em: Gwyneth Paltrow doing an also a very good English accent because I didn't mention earlier, but Renee Zellweger's English accent is really good actually. But Gwyneth Paltrow is also really good at an accent. And it's a romantic comedy with a bit of a twist because it's all to do with these alternate timelines and her character,

84:55Em: the difference in her two lives. So she basically has this one life where she gets on a train and what happens when she gets on the train and this other life where she misses the train and what happens with her life when she misses the train. And it's really fascinating and it's something that I actually want to do on an upcoming episode of my podcast because I think it's a really clever premise. And it's a great way to understand alternative timelines as well as to how you can have two timelines in one entity.

85:26Em: But it's a lot of fun and I wanted to recommend that over Four Weddings or Notting Hill or something like that. Even though they're good, I think everyone chooses Notting Hill. Four Weddings and Funeral is a British rom com kind of thing, so I just wanted to choose Sliding Doors. So that's it. Nice.

85:43KT: I Oti, do you want me to field this?

85:43Oti: Yeah.

85:43KT: Okay. I wasn't sure. It could go either way. I've also got two references. I've had a feeling you were going to reference the BBC miniseries, and that was on my list. So that's fine. Sorry? We we won't need to fight. That's okay. I no. No. No. It it it needed to be said. It definitely needed to be said. The first that I will reference is personally one of my favorite rom coms, You've Got Mail. Oh, yeah. That's also quite yeah. It's also quite an old

86:18KT: sort of rom com, but I really, really love it. And now that I say it, I feel like I need to rewatch it.

86:24KT: Again, Oti, watch out. We're going to have another rom com night.

86:24Oti: You know what I thought when you said that?

86:24KT: What?

86:24Oti: I thought you you meant that You Got Served movie. I was like, what?

86:36Em: What's that?

86:38Oti: You Got Served with a It was Sony Pictures.

86:41KT: It had do do you remember the boy band B2K with Marques Houston? No? It was it was around the time that they had, like, dancing battle movies.

86:51Em: Yeah. I was like, why is that a rom com? I don't even know. Did I miss one? Know what it is. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Carry on. Sorry.

87:01KT: The last movie that I will reference is A Single Man. I believe it's Colin Firth's best performance. Yes. The King's Speech, and he did win an Oscar for that, and he did deserve it for King's Speech. But A Single Man, the depth that he had to draw out for that role, impeccable.

87:20Em: Well, I've I've not seen it, but I Wow. I've heard I've been recommended it before, so I will definitely hunt it out.

87:27KT: It's just one of those films that you just come across because it's Tom Ford's directorial debut, the designer. Yeah. It's it's amazing. So that's what we'll be referencing. We'll put it all in the show notes. Speaking of show notes, where can we find you

87:45Em: Okay. So this is what I need to be professional about. Okay. So you can find me, obviously. As we've mentioned, my show is Verbal Diorama. And just to say, like to look at the history and legacy of movies you know and movies you don't. So production, casting choices, special effects, trivia, you name it, I love it. I talk about it. I love movies with interesting stories.

88:13Em: So if that sounds interesting, you can subscribe and download all available episodes on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, TuneIn, Castbox or basically go in your podcast app, search Verbal Diorama and you'll find me. I'm also on social media. I'm on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and now also on YouTube, but I don't really post many videos there yet. Just at And Verbal I also have a website, verbaldiorama.com where all of my episodes can be found as well. And I'm gonna start writing a couple of articles soon. Hopefully they will be fun.

88:50Em: Or yeah, you can just email me at verbaldiorama gmail dot com. So if you just wanna chat or just hit me up on Twitter. Twitter's my favorite place because you've got crazy people like KT on Twitter and she's just joyous. But yeah, you can basically find me wherever and I hope that you do. I've got all sorts of episodes on all sorts of things. Yeah, hit me up.

89:19KT: Perfect. Well, if you want to see what we do on a week to week basis, on Twitter and Instagram, we are @ForYourRefPod. You can send us an email. hello@fyrpodcast.com. And, please, if only for one,

89:36KT: leave a rating review on Apple Podcast because it definitely helps all of us for Verbal Diorama and also for For Your Reference. And I just wanna say today was delicious, and I'll be riding high for the rest of the night. And I'm so glad that we did this episode. Please check out Verbal Diorama. And if you've checked it out, do it again because she is that bloody red. Thank you.

90:01Em: I don't I don't think that I am, but thank you anyway.

90:05KT: You will take

90:06Em: Okay. Okay. I will take it. Thank you very much. I will take that. I will take anything that you want to give me in any way. In

90:17KT: the naughty corner because that's the best time. And let's end let's end on that. Thank you so much, guys, and we'll see you next week. Bye. See you.