Wolf Man, Babygirl, Companion & Oshi No Ko

Full transcript of Wolf Man, Babygirl, Companion & Oshi No Ko.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference Household and it is another Reference Max where we do our combined non spoiler reviews before we get into that one two punch double dolly shot of Spike Lee. Is Inside Man on your list, Oti? that a verified joint?

0:19Oti: Uh, yeah, good things are covering writers. So Inside Man doesn't count.

0:25KT: You need to look inside, man. Can we quote Jay Z?

0:29Oti: With your red penny?

0:34KT: Awkward segue. We have a Quid Pro Mo, Oti. Love splooshies to the leading men of the film stage, The B-Side podcast. Thank you so much for inviting me as a guest. It was literally my honor to sploosh and love all over Queen Latifah in over two hours. That is absolutely what film podcasting should be. Oti. There was also a lot of love for Michael Ealy and not so much for Common. I told you.

1:09Oti: Oh, wow.

1:13KT: Thank you again so much. Friends and lovers go and check out, um, in, in some world where you're not familiar with, um, The B-Side podcast with Connor and Dan. Thank you so much. And let's get on with the show. All our friends and Afro Korean festival lovers. Wow. Wallace and Gromit might be the winner for the Oscars Oti and everyone deserves it. Welcome back to the For Your Reference Podcast. You've got your very serious host, KT.

1:51Oti: And Oti.

1:53KT: Today we will be covering. Wolf Man, Babygirl, Companion, and Oshi No Ko, our first anime, uh, in person screening.

2:05Oti: Yeah.

2:07KT: Some exciting times. After some

2:08Oti: clips, we'll get to that.

2:10KT: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw you in the back, Oti. You told me you were looking after our dog, but I feel like I saw you there. You got that, you got that idle dog in you. Let the wolves out, you've been an idle dog. Speaking of the wolves and the dogs, um, thank you so much to the team at Universal what a time, you know, the five years was a big year for the For Your Reference podcast this year seems to be just as momentous and just as splooshy. Upgrade was our third ever, um, review episode for the podcast. So it was super cool guy.

2:54KT: Um, also while we're here, before we get to Wolf Man, Oti, um, we submitted our question in a Q&A with Ryan Coogler for an exclusive early access to the second trailer of Sinners.

3:10Oti: We did. And it was a joy to behold, got to see, uh, uh, the Conrad scene and just to delve into the wild, like. Ryan Coogler can do no wrong.

3:23KT: Oh, absolutely. So great time all round. As you know, friends and lovers, if you haven't just believe that we have a back catalogue, we know you love us. You might not need to listen to the audio, but Black Panther was our first, um, ever episode. So, you know, bing, bap, boom, boom, boom, bap, bam.

3:42Oti: Wow.

3:44KT: The type of super bullshit I'm on you wouldn't understand. Um, but let's get to Wolf Man again. Thank you for the team at Universal. We do have an interview with Leigh Whannell. Um, take us away.

3:56Oti: Wolf Man reimagines the classic with a haunting emotional core, exploring the agony of watching a loved one fade away. The film's heart is carried beautifully by its cast, making it a gripping, deeply personal horror.

4:10KT: Wow. We experienced films differently.

4:14Oti: We did. Interesting. Read your quote, Andreken Delvin.

4:20KT: Wolf Man distills the essence of the original and bolsters lore with an emotional journey. The manifestations of masculinity felt, at times, competing with the overall theme of family.

4:37Oti: I hear you. And I remember the first thing you told me, Oh, while we're getting out of the cinema,

4:43KT: keep these manifestations of masculinity away from me.

4:49Oti: And I was so enthralled by this movie and you were not, Yeah. Not to the level I thought you would be at least. Because while I was watching this and I think just the way he, he, he spun this, it's, it's not what I expected.

5:08KT: But don't you feel like parts of what you enjoyed was also your experience as a man. And maybe there are some things that I didn't wholly resonate with.

5:22Oti: I don't even think that was, those anything super masculine in this that made me feel like, Oh, I've got, I resonate.

5:30KT: No, I don't mean like, uh, you know, beating of your chest, King Kong level masculinity. That's not what I mean. What I mean is friends and lovers, you know, there, there, there are moments in the trailers. I'm, I'm not going to go into deep spoilers, but there was a constant sort of, um, tussle that, you know, our protagonist, Christopher Abbott had, In that, to me, and it's not even a man thing, but it is kind of a man thing, like, if you're, if you're the one that potentially has something going on, some, like, Professor Xavier all up in your baddies, you know, if you belong at the mutant school with Nicholas Hoult and the Beast and all of that, then why are you inside of the family unit, bruv?

6:21KT: And again, it can be man or no man, but if you're the one that's potentially infected, if that's what we're saying, this world is, then why are you inside? You should be outside. You're an outside dog. Stop being courage, be outside.

6:39Oti: I think we took this so differently because to me, it was more about watching. him in the process of transforming and being unrecognizable to the family. And you could overlay it with different sort of themes that, you know, it could be personal loss. It could be a lot of different things. And that's how I took it. And that's what I was so enthralled by this every, like it was, it didn't need to be action. He didn't need to be anything like that. It was about wife and kid getting used to. Their dad, no longer being there or being the man that they, you know, grew up loving.

7:17KT: Do you think that you were able to connect a bit more because the character design wasn't very wolfy and it was more man? Cause if he looked like a beast, do you think you would still be feeling?

7:31Oti: But that's the beauty of this. It's the slow transitioning and. That makes the movie that much greater. It makes the themes stand out a lot more. It's like, even because those, I won't go to spoilers.

7:48KT: You're speaking so poetically, but I didn't feel that. I'm not saying the film didn't do that.

7:55Oti: It did that to me. Keep this lame KT's away from me.

8:03KT: Friends and lovers of the For Your Reference Court, I'm pretty sure we can close this case quite abruptly.

8:10Oti: Oti.

8:12KT: And don't try Nino Brown me. Oti. When you are sick, Do you remove yourself from mind person as well as our dog, or do you try and come and live and breathe all over us while you were sick?

8:31Oti: It's the lack of knowledge of, or at least knowing what's, what's transpiring. It's you finding out together what's going on. And it wasn't clear to anyone what was going on up until it was, it became farther into the movie.

8:46KT: Okay. And, and, and, and, and Oti, when I am sick, do I breathe all over you?

8:54Oti: Yes.

8:54KT: No, I do not. No, I do not. And if we're airing out the laundry, you're the one that sneezes on me while you're sleeping, wink wink. But you get what I'm saying. If you are the potential threat to your own family unit, I'm not necessarily saying it's selfish, but why do I need to tell you? That's something there's a Columna Nadi all up in your body and you need to back up off me.

9:24Oti: Oh, we got it so differently. I think this is you just projecting the masculine angle to it because it wasn't there.

9:32KT: When's the Kenyan full moon. Cause I need to make sure I need to make sure I've got the silver, silver lacks. Cause the Oti moving. I enjoyed it. I thought it was, it was quite nice to, um, I think it was the night before we had watched the OG 1941.

9:55Oti: We even tried to watch the 2010 one.

9:58KT: Benicio.

9:59Oti: Yeah. Which felt more like the. Emily Blunt's

10:03KT: face was made for that era.

10:05Oti: Right.

10:05KT: Right.

10:07Oti: Oh, so not, um, Emily Blunt in The English? In the Amazon show? No.

10:12KT: You are all about the awkward segues today.

10:14Oti: I am. I stand on it.

10:17KT: Well, friends and lovers, you know, we welcome all film opinions. Hopefully they're not tainted by the wolf gene. Um, they need to go quarantine with Oti over there, but I would love to hear, um, more opinions and more, um, I guess sort of interpretations for Wolf Man as well.

10:36Oti: I would have loved to do a full review of this. Just saying.

10:41KT: Yeah.

10:42Oti: Yeah.

10:43KT: Well, I would say if we have time, but looking at our schedule, we don't have time.

10:48Oti: Probably not.

10:50KT: Um, let's move on. Thank you to the team at Nexco. It's also our first A24 screening. We've got Babygirl.

11:03Oti: Oh,

11:03KT: nice.

11:05Oti: A lot of hype going into this, eh?

11:07KT: There was definitely a lot of hype going into this. Um, before I read my actual pull quote.

11:13Oti: Edgelord over here. All right.

11:17KT: Yes. Yes. Actually. I want to read my Letterboxd review.

11:22Oti: Ah, we get, we get two for one.

11:25KT: You get two for ones for some cow girl, Babygirl fun. Wow. Yeah. And that wasn't even the outtake that you took out her teeth. A bean flick away keeps the misdirected horniness away.

11:43Oti: Oh wow.

11:44KT: Yes. Now let's, now let's hoist our bosoms and do the, let's do the Rotten Tomatoes, uh, pull quote. Reversing power positions keeps the same dynamics we've seen before and softens the climax in its tepid reluctance. While there was a lot to hold onto, Babygirl doesn't mature to a wholly realised liberated experience.

12:15Oti: Oh, so Nicole Kidman doesn't come?

12:19KT: Not, not without assistance. Okay. What's that? A layup, an alley oop.

12:26Oti: So this is Nicole Kidman, um, Antonio Banderas, and do you appreciate how I said the name?

12:33KT: Do you want a cookie?

12:35Oti: Yes.

12:36KT: You better eat it out of my cookie. Um, and welcome to the podcast, KT, friends and lovers. You've got, you've got in the Letterboxd, KT, the Rotten Tomatoes, KT. Um, and now you've met the big dog final level boss, um, podcast. KT, um, Oti hasn't had a chance to see it yet. We're not going to get into spoilers. Um, but I guess off top, uh, you know, podcast KT has entered the chat. What I will say it's usually women. Even real life, but I guess let's, let's come to the matrix of films. It's usually women characters can be anyone, but it's usually women characters. When you have a line of dialogue and it's usually straight women as well. Let's be real.

13:25KT: It's usually straight women. They have a line that they say to their man and Nicole Kidman had an instance where she said to Antonio Banderas, and I would say. He seems like a very generous lover. He also seems like if you were to communicate your fantasies to him, he would try his best to fulfill that. So let's just keep that as a note. Nicole Kidman said to her husband, not Keith Urban, he's probably in the corner watching. Um, she said, you've never made me orgasm. Keep in mind, they've been married and they have a kid. That's a teenager. That's not a flex. That's embarrassing. See. I'm like, bitch,

14:06Oti: she was, she not saying it as a way to shame Antonio in this instance,

14:12KT: but I'm saying, bitch, do you even know how to orgasm? Shut the fuck up. It's so annoying to me. How do you expect anyone else to do for you? What vine can't undo inside of yourself. I'm pretty sure that's KT Lations, KT Ecclesiastics. Seriously. Cause shut up.

14:39Oti: Yeah, you've got to be a Funkmaster Flex DJ over there. Um, but that will dry it up real quick.

14:51KT: That is, that is the anti Bruno Mars, fat, juicy and wet.

14:57Oti: So,

14:59KT: cause that's the core of the film. It's a, it, people would say that this is a sexual, uh, Reawakening and I don't necessarily feel it was this what I was saying in the Rotten Tomatoes quote is We've seen this all the time. I haven't necessarily seen the film, but there's That film with Gyllenhaal Maggie Gyllenhaal. Is it the Secretary like we've seen films where you have like powerful Men usually in like executive leadership sort of roles and whether it's the secretary, but you have those sort of dynamics, right? Um, even like Basic Instinct, like you have men having some sort of power over younger women. And just cause you reverse the genders of it, it doesn't make it more interesting.

15:49KT: And, you know, a lot of it and maybe friends and lovers gather around the campfire so we can all learn something, maybe flick something. But this is what was frustrating about this film because the whole core of this was we have Nicole Kidman's character who wants to explore, I guess, a bit more risque sort of fantasies, right? But she's being very immature about it. And, you know, there's even moments where she literally thrusted herself or thrusted her fantasies onto Antonio Banderas and not explaining it properly. And he's like, oh, this feels weird. Like this feels non consensual, right? In so many words, because I don't want to spoil the film.

16:35KT: And it's like, so because you didn't communicate what you wanted properly, because you didn't communicate it maturely, Then he's the problem. He's the reason why you've got the Sahara desert down there.

16:49Oti: So she then proceeds to sort of cheat on Antonio or is it more of a open relationship?

16:58KT: It's an open relationship. Once the cheating happens, not in the film. I I'm just being funny for the whole world. Um, yeah, I, I guess there's, there's, it's not necessarily a spoiler, but yes, Nicole cheats on Antonio Banderas and, you know, it's interesting because I feel like in a lot of films, the cheating is the big morality. Um, not to say it isn't in real life, obviously that is a big thing in relationships, but there are moments where men cheat and it isn't a thing. Right. So this film doesn't necessarily score on Nicole Kidman for that. Um, which I'm like, okay, cool. That's like, that's what time we're on. That's the sort of film that we're watching, but this Harris Dickinson character, bruv, like he, he, he's, he's so dweeby, like he's not even like. A reason why you would step out of your marriage.

18:00KT: You see what I'm saying? And if Nicole Kidman's character was comfortable in her own sexuality and she knew where to get it, how to get it. Everywhere. She can get it. She would be able to tell that within her marriage, because at that point, you realize it isn't even about, you know, her finding someone like finding another love. It's just, she wants to try something that feels a bit risque and she would rather go and haphazardly fall onto, um, you know, another dick than just communicate it. And that just shows to you a lot of that, you know, you're cheating is your business friends and lovers, but this particular, um, infidelity, the thrill was in how risque it was, you know what I mean?

18:53KT: Because if you wanted to communicate it, then I guess it doesn't make it as risque, but then that's a different sort of danger as well. But I'm just like. You know what friends and lovers, if you, for some reason, you know, you felt a bit sexy and you want to put on your sexy, uh, friends and lovers, KT and Oti, and you're listening to, um, For Your Reference, while you're watching Babygirl, stop that and go and watch Omar Epps and Nia Long. You can even watch Michael Ealy and Hilary Swank.

19:27Oti: Oh, references for days.

19:30KT: No, because if we want to be grown and sexy, let's be grown and sexy.

19:33Oti: I get it, um, interesting. I thought it would be more of an open thing. I guess not. People can cheat on.

19:45KT: Did you think this was Big Love, Oti?

19:49Oti: Yeah.

19:52KT: Yeah. I think that's, that's a tagline for your merch friends and lovers. It becomes an open relationship after you cheat. I have a picture of Terrence Howard there. Okay. Let's move on. Thank you so much to the team at Universal. We also had the opportunity to interview the director, writer, director, pardon me, Drew Hancock for Companion.

20:17Oti: Companion builds suspense early with a well-paced setup, leading to a thrilling third act. Action-packed and reminiscent of many before it, it delivers fun without overcomplicating themes.

20:29KT: Interesting. All right. Companion attempts to go beyond the processing core of similar genre films by grounding the world and characters. The messaging of toxicity in relationships was touched on but would have made a bigger impact, if zoomed in on.

20:54Oti: And that's why I said without overcomplicating things, because it knew to stay in its lane. It wasn't meant to go that far. It was like, yeah, we'll likely touch on this, but then people left.

21:10KT: Inside the podcaster studio, friends and lovers. Was this the perfect film?

21:15Oti: No.

21:15KT: Why?

21:16Oti: Because it's

21:18KT: No. Because you're telling me all goods.

21:20Oti: I didn't say all goods. I said it touched on things without necessarily, and that was a slight on it. And that's why I said things built up until it showed its full belly and you could see it's pretty good, you know?

21:41KT: Tell us, tell us the risque fantasies. You're having Victorian ankle.

21:48Oti: It was because the intrigue was there. The suspense was there. It was interesting to see how the characters, uh, mingled and interacted with each other. But then once all that stops and fades and we're left with. Fucking serious themes or overarching themes are supposed to be tackled. They don't. And that's where I was like, you had me for three quarters of the movie fam.

22:17KT: Pick it up and throw it back though.

22:21Oti: What about you?

22:22KT: I wonder how much of this will be a spoiler. So I will just speak very broadly on what is available in regards to the trailer. And a simmering arrogance in Josh's character. And there are moments and glimpses that if you're clocking it, it's not a surprise. At his sort of manifesto at the end of the film. But if, if, if we can keep it between the lines, then it will be kept non-spoiler. Um, and we won't spoil the experience. But there's definitely some, some seasonings of a manifesto brewing up with him. And I wouldn't necessarily say that it was addressed in a way that would've had the most impact.

23:19Oti: Right. agree with you, but, and that's why, I don't know if I, if struggle is the right word for this, but coming out, I understood that there was like something missing from the movie, but All in all, it was still sort of fun to just get lost in that because this genre, you can barely go wrong with this sort of movie, you know, uh, we, when we went to watch M3GAN and we were so bloody pissed off because of the, you know, and

23:54KT: then like,

23:55Oti: don't tell me there's

23:56KT: an uncut version. I don't want to see it. Yeah.

24:00Oti: Yeah. Release that. Yeah. Let that be the final word you're giving us not, not because fans were like, what the fuck was that?

24:08KT: Yeah.

24:08Oti: No. Anyway. What, what, what genres like this, you know, Upgrade, Ex Machina like that delivered some brilliant work.

24:17KT: Yes.

24:18Oti: So I think the angle and you said it in your review, the angle of this grounding it a bit more. it was, but then

24:26KT: it becomes more drama than thriller.

24:29Oti: Mm-hmm.

24:31KT: Which, which was a decision. It wasn't a bad thing. It was a decision. Yeah, it was a decision. Um, I don't, I'm not necessarily saying there isn't a world where this could work, but I think if there are moments that are core to Josh's character, then I feel like it should have been addressed. a little bit better. That's all. Cause it didn't even need it. But if there was a decision to do that, cause you know, there were moments between Josh and Iris and I was like, love is love. Like Tina Turner said, what's love got to do with it? Run girl, run.

25:15Oti: Uh, yeah, yeah. I'm with you. It wasn't wholly satisfying, but still. Sort of a fun, a fun watch to just get your mind off shit.

25:31KT: Shout out to Jaboukie. Yeah, he was there for a hot second. It was nice to see him there. Um, I enjoyed, I enjoyed the mechanisms of the world, which isn't necessarily something that you would hear me gravitate towards, but I thought it was cool seeing. I guess usually, um, the sci fi human centered stories, it's like a very new, um, technology. This feels very normalized that people would have a sex bot or a fuck bot. They weren't, um, is it called jailbreaking? Like they weren't doing that to Gemma Chan and Humans. No, in this world, in Companion, like it's socially accepted.

26:27KT: That people have these bots. That's what I'm saying. So I thought that was quite interesting to be able to explore that where it's not. Ooh, you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't mean that we need to put you in a documentary cause it's trying to understand your inner workings. Like it's just a part of that contemporary, um, world that's being built. Uh, so I, I thought that was quite interesting, but yeah, even referencing Humans with Gemma Chan, like there's definitely. Shows and films that have done that human centered drama aspect. Um, and maybe it's because they weren't trying to tackle the things that they were tackling in Companion. Right. And it is very timely as well.

27:13KT: Um, even while we're talking, I'm starting to think about The Hunt, Lindelof, Gilpin's Hunt. Um, and I wonder, I do wonder, um, you know, thankful for the opportunity, but it was only a four minute junket. And also we wouldn't spoil anything in those junkets. But there's definitely some things that I wondered in regards to is the messaging this way or not. Like it's not bringing its whole pussy. If you'll pardon the Cartier pun, that's an Archer reference. Um, because of the climate and temperature we're in, in regards to those things. Does that make sense? Yeah,

27:54Oti: it makes sense.

27:55KT: It's like just a Sim Simmer. All right, well, let's move on. Uh, this is our last review. Thank you to Sly and the team at Sugoi for an invite to the media and fan. Screening of Oshi No Ko, The Final Act. I don't know why you're laughing. You were there. I see where you put your light sticks Oti. Oshi No Ko, The Final Act does well to consolidate the series into a film, however it is so densely packed, the emotional journey isn't fully realised. My Letterboxd for those playing at home is Idol Isekai Love Lies. Wow. You're welcome. So tell me about this. Tell yourself about it. You watched the trailer and said you were busy. You're washing your hair that night,

29:00KT: um, friends and lovers that are new to manga and to anime, um, and just Asian, I guess, entertainment in general. Um, there is. There are sub genres and there are sub genres within the sub genre and this isn't the, um, behind the curtain aisle that you will find Oti in, in the manga store. Um, so essentially the premise of this Well, I guess just to take a step back, there's a manga, there's an anime series, and then there's recently a live action series that is currently available on Prime Video. Then there is the film that I went to watch, which is a live action film, which pairs with the live action series that is on Prime Video. Amazon. So in preparation, I was watching the live action, haven't had a chance to watch the anime, haven't watched the manga, still a weebie. The whole premise of this is so fun and so interesting.

30:13KT: It's essentially two non babies isekai ing into the, into the idol that they love so much. So they're big fans. Of this idol, that's a leader of an idol group in Japan and through various, uh, stages in life. And I won't explain why, but there are two people that she has twins, one boy, one girl, and they isekai into the baby of an idol that they love. The idol dies by a deranged stalker because somehow, somehow that fan finds out that she was pregnant with twins. And this is the entitlement that I was talking about with Josh in Companion. This fan felt angered. Outraged. How dare she have a baby and betray her fans. You lied. You said you loved all of your fans and you went and had babies.

31:15Oti: Well, you asked him to have your baby or what?

31:18KT: Right? He wants to Isekai as well. So that's what the setup of the series as well as the film is. It's to discover who is responsible for the death of this idol. Very fun, fun premise, you know, if ratings matter, friends and lovers, then it will say that we didn't love faster than the furious, but it's one of the best times that I've had watching. And, you know, ratings will tell you that I will have similar bandings in all of what we covered today, but I will always, always, always have a lot of time for films and series that do shit differently.

32:07KT: If it's weird, make it weird. That's cool too. Um, but I just, I enjoyed it for the most part.

32:14Oti: That's good. And the ambience going there, you know, different audience and vibe to going to watch a film screenings and all that.

32:25KT: It was, it was definitely a different vibe, but it was a lot of fun. Cause I think everyone. Like was excited to be there sometimes a media screenings, depending on what the film is, they might, you know, sit back a bit or, you know, they're there to be there, but everyone that came to the screening had such a great time. Um, it was a very, um, engaging and, you know, me, I don't necessarily like being in the public's audience. Because of reactions and it might just be the reactions aren't even annoying. It's just how I am. I just prefer not to. Um, but I really enjoyed it. The there's so many fun, like visuals, the songs are a lot of fun.

33:08KT: Um, but I guess what I would say in regards to the film is because. There's so many characters, um, that you don't necessarily know their backstory, which is fine because it's a film, but then you just have three random young ladies pop out of nowhere. And it's only because I watched the series, I knew the intricate storylines of each one of them because they all serve different, I guess, for lack of better term purposes for the storyline. But it's like, why are these random three ladies here? And why do I need to learn all their names? And you know what I mean? Like it's, there's a lot of truncating that goes on.

33:46Oti: Okay.

33:47KT: Well,

33:48Oti: makes sense. Almost anime sort of movies or adaptations.

33:53KT: Yeah. So it was a lot of fun.

33:56Oti: Nice.

33:58KT: Thank you, friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. Is there anything you want to add Oti before we get into our Spike Lee watching? Is there anything you want to, you know, say to our friends and lovers out there?

34:15Oti: I love cinema. It's such a, it's such a joy to watch, um, the movies that we've already covered so far It's gonna be a fun Feb.

34:31KT: It's going to be such a great time. And, you know, and thank you for respecting my space. The next time you get sick Oti, you can put Wolf Man on to keep you company. Um, again, friends and lovers go and check out The B-Side where I talk about Queen Latifah, love and splooshies everywhere. Um, also coming up, we have our Splooshies Awards. which is very exciting. I'm just going to say it now. Um, this is an announcement, not even Oti knows what it is. Well, we've kind of talked about one of them. I want to introduce two new categories into the Splooshies Awards.

35:15Oti: It's to go through a panel.

35:17KT: You can, you can panel me baby. First one we've already talked about is animated because we did a lot of animated, uh, films as well. So I think it'd be nice to have a category for animation.

35:31Oti: Don't look at me like that. Really? Cause we've had winners. We've had animation winners in the past years. So you're saying we don't need to DEI it? No, cause they stand on their own.

35:43KT: Well, if you don't nominate any animated, then you're going to reveal yourself anyway.

35:48Oti: You want me to, to reveal the best kept secrets of this production.

35:53KT: Why are you pointing to your Wolfmans?

35:57Oti: Anyway, I don't think we need to separate them because A lot of the animations we do watch, they go band for band.

36:08KT: Okay, well, I'll be looking closely at what you're nominating then. Um, and the last I want to introduce and you can't veto me on this. I want to have a Raygun award.

36:19Oti: Okay, that's good. Steve Holt.

36:23KT: Friends and lovers, uh, on Twitter, Instagram, we're using Bluesky more, also Threads, we're ForYourRefPod,

36:37Oti: right. That's an email. hello@fyrpodcast.com.

36:41KT: We're also on pretty much every podcast. If you'd like to leave a rating and review and we'll see you guys for Spike Lee.

36:50Oti: See ya.