Visitor Q – Pixelated Early Bird Special
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Assemble the milky family puzzle pieces of extensive screws, booty mics and a whole lotta oil and vinegar. Discover self-satisfaction with the mysteries of life with Visitor Q this week.
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KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and it is another course ever. So delectable 2023, the fourth Reference Degustation in the For Your Reference podcast, Oti.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: And this is you listening to all the cool people in your life and booking a reservation to a restaurant that you didn't even know. Friends and lovers, thank you for joining us on a monthlong celebration of the finest Takashi Miike madness. Um, but we will say, um, it is hard to find Visitor Q. Um, perhaps it is that endangered underwater specimen that you can sample, maybe not in Atlanta. Um, but I will put a general trigger warning for prostitution, sex work, abuse in general. Also, happy Valentine's Day. Oti, it had to be this, right?
KT: shout out to our beloved Ben. It all just worked out all together. I think most, um, suitably, especially in regards to Visitor Q. Let's get on with. friends and early bird lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference Podcast. You got your host, KT
Oti: and Oti
KT: Assemble the milky family puzzle pieces of extensive screws, booty mics and a whole lot of oil and vinegar. Look, Oti. I can do it by myself.
Oti: Oh, I can see
KT: Discover self-satisfaction, the mysteries of life, with Visitor Q this week.
Oti: Wow.
KT: Ooh. Ooh. Yeha. Yeha. Yeha.
Oti: Wow. You are up for this, aren't you,
KT: I am. I am. Very excited. Let's get into general stats and information, friends and lovers before we get there. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. Lactate. Lactate, lactate.
Oti: Wow.
KT: Visitor Q, directed by the Love and Lauder Takashi Miike. I said it when we did our Audition episode, which, um, between the open, um, kimono Kendall's Succession of it all. It's actually been about a month since we did Audition because we needed time to digest this film. Yep. And the chef recommended we digest it again. I am still trying to understand, but I'm absolutely enjoying this world. Friends and lovers. Uh, in regards to writing, we have Itaru Era. This film was released in March of 2001. In way of cast, we have Kenichi Endo, Shungiku Uchida, as well as Kazushi Watanabe.
KT: Wow. Wow, wow. Uh, thank you to our most brave patrons that have joined us on common and recurring themes, uh, throughout the Takashi Miike run. Um, obviously in regards to Visitor Q specifically, we are going to get into our first impressions. Oti, again, someone that we have loved for a long time. Ben from Film Busters.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: this was, I, I, not that I'm pushing it onto him, but he recommended this.
Oti: Stop absolving yourself from this
KT: I'm one of the two
Oti: This is a Mel Gibson Passion of the Christ, absolving yourself, Pontius Pilate nonsense. No,
KT: I, I, would argue there was more torture porn in that film. But anyway, um, I just wanted to read this, uh, based off of the recommendation from Ben, you have to do Visitor Q simply because of how batshit crazy it is.
Oti: Batshit crazy. Weirdly doesn't even start with this movie. Hmm. This, like you said, the first time we watched this movie, we needed some time to just comprehend exactly what we'd watched. Yep. Because the parts in the movie where I couldn't imagine what I was watching.
KT: Uh,
Oti: And you know, it, it, it, there's very few things that surprise me, and the
KT: tell us, you have your, um, incognito searches on hard mode. Okay.
Oti: just
KT: Let's save some time.
Oti: I dunno why I've not heard of this movie and
KT: in your, in your blue movie, perusing
Oti: But wow. It, it, it just knocked me out. I think. I didn't expect anything of this graphic nature okay. To happen. Every thought that I, every time that I thought, we've reached the summit, it continued going up. Mm-hmm. I'm like, bro, we're already up there. Come down. I think once you resign yourself to the world, this movie depicts and you surrender yourself and you accept it, then you can start to fully enjoy it to some degree, because it's
KT: like Keiko, the mom,
Oti: Well, those are mysterious man visiting us and boy oh boy,
KT: Laying down the bin liners is not foreign to us. Let's just say
Oti: that No, like this, it would be, it's definitely not for the fainthearted. It's definitely not for everyone. But the the things that when you look beyond the, the graphic nature of everything that happens,
KT: mm-hmm.
Oti: The storytelling is is is quite incredible.
KT: Yeah. There is a world that is built on depraved absurdity that works to a high impact that crescendos in this film. The layers are more roast and the payoff is delicious.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: You are not standing by me, are you? I am on the off chance that people listening have actually watched this film.
Oti: Well, we've watched it twice now.
KT: in, in, in honor of Keiko. Instead of saying pussy footing, I'm gonna say nipple footing. We're not gonna nipple foot around this. This was a great fucking film.
Oti: It was, and, and, and weirdly, I thought the second time I'd be, I'd Beas to the nature of the movie
KT: That didn't happen.
Oti: it still shocked me every single time I knew I was coming, but it's still seeing it. It shocked
KT: That's interesting because even in our Audition, um, recording for the episode, we said that it didn't like, it wasn't fault through the film, but it didn't hit the same notes as if you were watching it the first time. But you are saying Visitor Q pays off every time.
Oti: Like, we love people who lean in, feel ridiculous. Lean into that. Yeah. Fully. Yeah. And they don't hold anything. They know that this probably won't be for everyone and they're fine with that, but they just leaned in. Yeah. Into the OB absurdity, into the provocative nature. They knew this would be, yeah. Or even possibly draw parallels to Audition. Uhhuh, it still amazed.
KT: Oh yeah. And the dad is like, uh, tethered. The dad is a, um, Jordan Peele tethered trademark to Aoyama in Audition. You know when Aoyama was like, oh no. What do you mean? I want a woman of my age
Oti: Yep.
KT: You know what I mean? Like, um, anyway, we'll, we'll talk through the themes and I'm very excited. But I guess just capturing off the first impressions, you know, very recently we talked about M3GAN, right? And we talked about being so ready for the idea of an R-level gore, you know, killer doll. Because we're, we're primed for Chucky. We were ready for the premise, and we, like you said, we were leaning all the way in for that sort of world.
KT: I think one of the strengths that you and I have is we are ready to dive into whatever the premise of a film is. Hmm. You know, um, even after, after we had watched it the first time we were reading reviews, you know, um, I think we had a good sense of how we felt about the film. I think we really enjoyed it.
KT: Something that was very surprising about a lot of the reviews where people were saying it took multiple watches for them to peel back the, ooh, Like the initial like shock, oh my God, this is uncomfortable. And then actually unpeel it and appreciate the humor in this film. And the incredulousness and a, a lot of the, um, like there was a, there was a lot of fun moments in this film, but I, it was interesting to me because when we watched it, I think we were all the way in and we said, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler.
KT: We were all the way in as the mic inside of the dad. And friends and lovers, we know that you like listening. If you haven't watched what we are talking about, you might even think we're making up plot points in this film. Either way, we're gonna have a good time, So in regards to the themes, we have general sort of questions, cinematography and visuals.
KT: How did you feel? Because we talked about Audition and remembering, maybe not necessarily remembering the plot of Audition, but we really. The visuals, um, of Audition and the way the films, uh, the film was shot. What did you think about Visitor Q?
Oti: The aspects of it that felt similar to Audition to me. Yeah. somehow it felt older. Like it came way before,
KT: or maybe it was because it was more bold, cuz you wouldn't think Audition was more commercial and made for cinemas. But once you've watched Visitor Q, Audition feels like a fucking happy meal at that point.
Oti: It does. It does. Bloody straight blue movies will be made for cinema at that point.
KT: the blue meal, right, Oti? Um, the next thing we have, I'm so glad it came out while we were watching Audition and I wasn't sure how it was going to flavor the rest of the films that we are covering, but I'm so glad that I wrote it down and it was a commentary on Japan slash the world.
Oti: I think this is quite interesting cause I think it's, it turns the lens sort of inward and looking at human nature.
KT: Yes. You
Oti: you know, and it felt, it sort of felt similar to Audition as well, you know, especially with the protagonist where when they look deep within Yeah. You know, we get to see the world Yeah. Around them, through their eyes. And it's super flawed. Yeah. It's all flawed. Mm-hmm. they're not exactly the best people.
Oti: Yeah. And at the end of it, when you start reflecting, you know, was it was, was the dad at the end of it? What, what did it all. Yeah. You know, so I felt like it spoke to a lot of things that I'm sure will come to. Yeah. And wow,
KT: didn't you hear Jon Snow? Visitor Q? You don't understand a thing. Um, I absolutely love it. And yeah, you're right. We can. Spend, um, a bit more time talking about it once we get through all of the themes. Um, what's really interesting is, you know, when we were covering Parasite, I did research into understanding s and, you know, like the Korean economy and understanding social class and that sort of thing.
KT: I don't know, like there was something about watching Visitor Q for the first time and also the second time where I didn't wanna do research because I also feel like the way that it was packaged in this film, I just fucking got it. Maybe it was like, like you say, you can ground it to just family with fucked up family dynamics.
KT: Right. This was like up to the, like this was raised up to the ante a thousand percent. Right. But it, I, I think there are some universal themes in having fucked up family dynamics. And the way that it was done in such an absurd sort of nature played really high effect to me. Because again, without any, doing any research or, you know, fully understanding the society in Japan and that sort of thing, there's a lot of, um, you know, I guess you could call it stereotypes.
KT: There's a lot of default sort of thinking. Um, in regards to how Japanese people are perceived, and that's how I kind of saw it. You talk about insular as a society or as a people, I kind of looked at this as Takashi Miike's way of, you know, just shining a light, holding a mirror, pulling a lens onto, you know, issues that aren't necessarily talked about. Right?
Oti: Yeah. Like the transgressions of the taboo. We know shit happens out there. Yes. That we don't talk about. Yeah. That don't really get mentioned at all. Yeah. And when you're faced with that reality staring down at you or there the end of the screen, what do you do exactly. You know, it's easy to just look away and pretend that that aspect of the world doesn't exist when it does. Right. Whether
KT: you look or not, it's still
Oti: Yeah. There's that visitor that comes to us that is super fucking dark in nature. Yeah. And confronts you or tries to say, Hey, we are not all fucking singing kumbayas. Yeah. Out there that's not on.
KT: like this is not correct.
Oti: The aspects of people and humans that's fucking dark. Yeah. Let's face that and see what that is,
KT: And I definitely want to come to it. The father, I would say, was the most interesting character in this, but when you think about, you know, Asian men represented in the media, they are emasculated, right? Hmm. And we even see these sentiments, um, that the father shares throughout the film. But again, it is a bit too juicy. And
KT: so we will come back to it, but I just found it really. Thing and the way that it was explored, it was fucked up in a lot of levels, but it was always for a purpose. You know? It wasn't just to shock you for the sake of shocking
Oti: Yeah. And I think when Dex is talking about his dark passenger, he's met the visitor
KT: Okay. New young blood But you know, even, um, in, in regards to Keiko, the mom, sexual liberation is something that I always advocate for, and that was also one of. My most jubilant moment in the film, and again, we will come to that, but it, it talks about the repression and, you know, we can joke about the Milky puzzle pieces and the way that her titty milk, like shot all over Miki's like photo as well.
KT: I, I guess we can draw parallels between like the Apple. Like Adam and Eve, like the, the, the young innocent daughter biting the apple. Um, but it really, the way I saw it was, you know, Keiko coming back and, you know, restoring her sexual prowess. Right? And we even see later on in the film that that's like, oh, I've never seen her this happy and this glowing since before we were married. It's like, yeah, the, you are the fucking problem.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent.
KT: So I've really, really, really loved, um, that, and obviously, um, we will touch on prostitution as well, which also included Miki too. And, you know, these are things that we don't necessarily talk about and, you know, insular. You know, within Japan but also within the world, there's probably a perception of, you know, Japan's doing great, which is true, but you know, there are also issues like, you know, I talk about Al for
KT: Like there's a discussion for inside of the house and I kind of felt like that's what this film was. Hmm. Watch out for my visitor tea, for my Tongan family. Hey, if you hold a head steady, Oti, we'll milk the. You. Um, one line that I do want to say here, it was at the start of the film, and I, I guess just so we have it on the record, that first scene was very uncomfortable.
Oti: It was,
KT: never not be uncomfortable. Yeah,
Oti: Yeah. It's weird because, uh, and, and the thing with the, with the naming of the chapters when it started, I thought it was, okay, cool. Have you ever done it with your dad? I was like, oh, is this tongue in cheek or what
KT: We were side eyeing Ben at
Oti: I was like, yeah. I was like, oh, okay. Cool. Let's see where this goes. Yeah, and it's exactly what it says. Yes. And the cookie got to find out because the next one was, have you ever been hit on the head with a rock? I'm like, okay, is are they gonna just hit somebody with a random rock? And I was like, okay, so this is actually what happened. Yeah. It took me a while to believe that's actually what's transpiring. Yeah. And
KT: but it was a shock to the system. It was like, this is the film we're making. This is the film you're watching
Oti: Yeah. Within the first three seconds of the movie. Yeah. You, you are knee deep.
KT: Yeah. Uh, the poor choice of words, but
Oti: okay. Yeah,
KT: I'm coming in you And
Oti: is where you also see the, the sort of thing with
KT: was funny,
Oti: the reluctant. They're reluctant, man. Oh, yes. You know, oh, I can't do this. Oh, no. Yeah. Only for them to be, you know, ve in their bloody re re restraint
KT: Like, let's remove the pretension, you know, why you are here.
Oti: but we do see the post-nut clarity kicking in on them, being like, whoa, yeah, this was wrong. Don't tell your mother.
KT: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely agree. Um, let's move on to the next sort of general theme here, Um, so I, I guess we'll see how much time we spend on this, but this is a very interesting theme or general question. What is real and what is not? Did you take this film as an allegory or did you take this film literally? Or was it, were you traversing between the two?
Oti: Oh, I thought it was all allegorical through and through. Right? Yeah, because
KT: Oti, didactic daddy
Oti: Yeah. And I think those allegory was zooming this. Because taking it on a a plain sort of level wasn't even an option for me just because of its provocative nature.
KT: Yeah. Well I think there's, maybe there's a ative nature because it was more than provocative.
Oti: True. I just have to think. Surely there's something else. Yeah. Right. There has to be. Yeah. And that's why it had, I had to sit with them first viewing so much to even try and see how I, I can comprehend everything that I just watched. Yeah. And even in the second viewing, it adds to that, right? Mm-hmm. So with, with, we could say, what did you think of the visitor? What did you signify? Yeah. It could be like how the media is right now in.
Oti: Comes into, we welcome it to a house. We really don't know anything about the sources.
KT: I don't know. It seems like you are welcoming the media. No,
Oti: I'm just saying
KT: where, where are the pinhole medias
Oti: consume so much shit. It affects peoples on their daily lives.
KT: Like a surveillance, like a Big Brother type thing you're
Oti: Yeah. Not even Big Brother. Just what we learn and what we perceive of our. Come straight from what we consume. And the visitor doesn't, does that the best in exposing the family's weaknesses and their plight and their problems and, and it, and it's up to them to see, okay, so once my, uh, family dynamic, which hasn't been great, is exposed, and we see all the flaws in our ways, then yeah, why not?
KT: I get that. I understand that. Um, friends and lovers, I'm pretty sure Oti got further in Westworld than I did, but after watching this film, I understand why Westworld exists because I felt like perverted or not, I was Visitor Q.
KT: Like, I felt the audience was being given an insight into this family and the ways, the fucked up ways, um, that they interplayed with each other, if you'll pardon the pun. Um, it was, you know, um, Visitor Q probably had more of an active role than we did as an audience. Um, but it was definitely uncovering and learning and unlearning, um, you know, the way that this family operated or the way the family dysfunction.
KT: And it's interesting that you say that none of it is real. And I wonder, I wonder, and maybe it will take, you know, a couple of years, a couple of re watches, did we feel the need to not ground it because it would've been hard to consume it for what? Or is that the natural sort of levitation that this film evoked? You know what I mean?
Oti: I think he had to be a shock to the system for us to accept anything less or other. that. Because we perceive so many things differently from other people. Like the son, you could just see him as a dickhead, which he is.
KT: is a dickhead.
Oti: He is a dickhead.
KT: He's a dickhead for a reason, but he's still a dickhead.
Oti: I feel like there's some, you know, there, there's, there's a weird father and son dynamic, which is sort of unspoken, but it's there. Okay. You know, the son has this weird, uh, I can't, I, I, I'm super small next to my dad.
KT: That's interesting. I never picked that
Oti: because then you can see right. Then you can see,
KT: an Oti projection
Oti: bro? As an African kid, I need, I, I.
KT: Well, show us your African blue movie version then.
Oti: I can't even draw parallels to this movie. This movie is Wild
KT: But I think, I think the beauty of Visitor Q is whether you ground this film or not, the elements of storytelling are so fucking compelling. Mm-hmm. like, it, it really, really, really just works. But let's move on, um, in our theme. So these are the directions slash stylistic choices we have from. Unflinching, graphic nature of the violence. I would also put a two-prong here because I feel like there was like physical violence as well as sexual violence. There was some rape scenes in here
Oti: There are myriad of examples of that. Uhhuh. I think we get to see not only the father perpetrating violence Yep. Um, against women. Um, we see the son being bullied and we see the son bullying the mother. There's the, this movie has a lot of that Yeah. Going on. Even the, the, the easiest sort of, I think this was the least violent thing, was visit the visitor. Hitting them with a head on the head.
KT: Yeah, exactly right. if anything, that was just to, again, like you say, shake the shake, shock the system and like get them to pull it the fuck together. Yeah. Oh, I love that. That, that's interesting. Um, unflinching is absolutely the word, Rob. Um, there were scenes in this film that would absolutely tilt my head back, have a good giggle, gaggle cackle.
KT: Right. But there were other scenes that. Absolutely uncomfortable to fucking watch. Yeah. Right. And it, it really brings together a great sort of balance of, you know, heaviness and levity. But in regards to this particular theme that Rob was talking about, it was unflinching, especially the sexual violence that was in this film as well.
KT: Um. But I would say the, um, you know, when the dad was going out trying to interview the youth, that was one of the best scenes of this. I would also say, you know, we talked about the un uncomfortable surrealist, um, sort of nature of the opening scene. There were also a couple of scenes along the way, but once we got to the moment of him in the car, re-watching the footage of him essentially getting sodomized with his own micro.
Oti: and he shared that video. Oh yeah.
KT: but that's, but that's absolutely what I wrote down as well, especially if we're talking about whether we think this is real or not, because I don't prescribe to toxic masculinity. But I also don't understand why, why would he share it? Because it seems like he showed his whole workplace.
Oti: He did. And the weird thing is because there's a scene of him showing us the video. Right. him playing it back and you can see there's some emotion to it. Yeah. It feels sad and bad. And I thought, oh, he, he
KT: gone. It's shame, like he's keeping it to himself.
Oti: Exactly. Only to find out later. They actually shared it with the whole.
KT: Yeah, he did private screenings, private screenings of his colonoscopy.
Oti: Oh man. Wild.
KT: But I would say like, if we're talking about friends and lovers, also check out B.J. Novak's, um, is it called the. Also Daniel Dae Kim, and butt plugs like is a, it sounds like a AI built by me, but it's a real storyline in that particular show.
KT: Um, but that's when I was all the way in with this film. I'm like, okay, there's something here. There's something here. You know, even when we talk about whether this is real or not, even knowing that, you know, this has kind of been baked into our Reference Degustation. You know, there was a part of me that.
KT: Oh my goodness. Like, you know, we go all the way there, but this is like in a different dimension. You know what I mean? Yeah. But once we got to that scene and you know, all of the payoffs along the way in the rest of the film, I was like, okay, this is us. Like this is a little bit of us. Let's go into the next theme here. This is from Ben. The interaction between sex and violence.
Oti: Again, myriad of examples in this mm-hmm. with the father especially. Oh, yes. You know, he, he feels, um, emasculated. Yeah. You know, Ali Bird and all that. And he, he, he perpetrates a lot of sexual violence on other people. And I include the daughter in that as well.
KT: Yeah. He also says this line, I think he says it to the corpse, he says he, he's exploring who he is as a father and it wasn't sadness or anger. Some things in life are truly strange, and this is about him being aroused at the idea of being emasculated. And you know, here's a father whose son gets beaten up and it's. Taking control. Again, we are really taking it to another level, NEHI in this particular instance, but he feels so fucking emasculated that he gains power in being able to, you know, follow through in that scene.
Oti: Yeah. Or even when he was talking about the son being bullied or essence of him feeling, Ooh, some essence of arousal. Yeah. Which broke. Again, this movie is not for everyone
KT: but you don't need to do that. Like, you don't need to preface it. Like there are many films out there that people will try and it's not for them, and that's absolutely fine. Unless you feel like, you know, the, the perfume of this film is going to like emanate, you know, and remain within your bosom, then feel free. But I'm not gonna preface anything. I fucking love this.
Oti: I enjoyed it too. I enjoyed
KT: it. You don't love the mysteries of life being of so amazing
Oti: It's
KT: a mystery of life. It's shit. We also need to point out, he continued even after he said that though. Nope. Um, I will point out again, I, I don't think there are a lot of moments of sex, um, that wasn't related to, you know, being non-consensual. However, if we're talking about sexual liberation, tick, tick, tick, 10, 10 tens all across the board. next theme we'll get into is brutal justification to right the wrongs. And this is from Rob?
Oti: yeah. And this is when we get to see them. Mm-hmm. learning from their mistakes. Yeah. And taking back what they'd lost in their family. Absolutely. Uh, be it, their methods are bit too extreme.
KT: still nipple footing around this, aren't you?
Oti: No, but it's true. They, they, they, they did something about the son getting bullied. They righted that wrong in the most extreme version I've ever seen.
KT: But like, you are not even hard, bro. Like they're kids like you're, you're murdering these children. But it wasn't a perfect own like bro, children, that's not even a flex.
Oti: Uh, it's a flex that whatever brings the family closer, isn't it?
KT: little ooh moment in the bathtub. Yeah,
Oti: Cause the first time I watched it, I thought, Ooh, the mother would be really angry at the, you know, what the fuck? Yeah. We got to see her be a bit suspicious when, you know, um, she was trying to have sex with the husband. And she smelled that, you know, some pussy juice on on her. On him.
KT: So, so let's, uh, I guess we can dabble into what's real and what's not. So it was clear that she smelled pussy juice, like you said, but do you think she knew to the nth degree that it was the daughter or she just knew?
Oti: she wouldn't know. It's the daughter, but I don't know. Maybe she was, like you said you went to see your daughter. Maybe those are conversation.
KT: I see, I see.
Oti: But I don't think there's a correlation between pussy and you linking it to your daughter.
KT: I see. Well, I think that's a perfect segue, Oti, um, this comes from Ben and a lot of Ben's contributions to Takashi Miike's filmography absolutely makes sense. Now, a lot of Ben's contributions, this one in particular, unchecked desire slash passions.
Oti: Yeah. Uh, the taboo aspect of this movie from necrophilia to incest. Yeah. You know, uh, things that aren't really talked about that much. Yeah. But we know that happens,
KT: or it's played for dramatic romance in a George R. R. Martin show.
Oti: Oh.
KT: Whether it be brother, sister, or, um, niece and uncle.
Oti: Yeah. Wild. Look at you,
KT: Yeah. Do they all have to be blonde?
Oti: I think that's the criteria. Okay. Only only blonde people can do incest, otherwise it's just gross.
KT: Well, I think I'm safe in that.
KT: That's fine.
Oti: Ew. Get those blonde extensions back.
KT: Wow. And you think your comments on Visitor Q is what's going to get you in trouble, Well, since you covered the heavy ones, I'm going to talk about pleasing the mama. Okay. So I feel like this is the perfect time, and obviously we're going to move on to other things, friends and lovers. I am a strong advocator and I will forever be pulling my beacon on the bean flicker couch. Okay.
KT: It's very important, especially because we live in a world where we. As women, um, are raised and taught and, you know, disciplined into the pleasure of a man, that's the way we navigate into this world. And if we have children, you know, our sexual desires are even more pushed further beneath the surface. Right?
Oti: circle. Mm-hmm.
KT: I am all, am all about sexual liberation, and if you don't know where your CL is, don't fucking talk. If you can't flick your nipple, don't talk to me
Oti: Who knew why G needed a spinoff?
KT: If you don't wriggle the back end, don't talk to me. But I'm serious. You know, like we need to take ownership of our own sexual pleasure. Um, and who knew it took a Takashi Reference Degustation to perfectly illustrate my point. Mm-hmm. and perhaps Takashi Miike looked into the future and he saw our pastor t
Oti: Yeah. Encapsulated by the perfect comment the mother made. I'm not weird, I'm not strange. I'm just a normal woman. Mm-hmm. Shania and you know, I've been doing the work.
KT: Well, you've been being flicking and that's been most pleasurable and I thank you.
Oti: Yeah, the mere fact, I have a bean, anyway,
KT: it's Visitor Oti in our house. Friends and lovers, we like to keep it spicy,
Oti: but
KT: I absolutely love the angle of sexual liberation, especially when it comes to women in general. Yes. But we're, I guess we're also talking about a woman that has children and you know, she really put it to the side, And what I really loved, like friends and lovers for those that are screenwriters. If the character development of Keiko and her discovering her body and being able to make herself lactate has more character development than anyone in your screenplay, then put it in the bin.
Oti: Yeah. And and this is where you get to see the folly, right? In the movie Leo Grande. Get Emma Thompson, who's like, oh, I would never do this. And shaping everyone to the wazo
KT: fucking doxing. Leo Grande But don't do that. I'm floating on a nipple cloud right now and you're bringing me back to Earth.
Oti: I'm saying she needed a Keiko treatment. Yeah. To just liberate the shit out of that. Yeah. Hmm.
KT: and it's like you didn't really want to explore your own body. You just wanted to feel good.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Fuck off.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: If you can't make yourself feel good, how's Leo Grande going to help you?
Oti: He ain't.
KT: We also show saw him in a recent show and even he can't help that show but we love you my friend. I'm sure we'll see you in many other things. Um, but I just wanted to spend a little bit of time. I am, you know, pussy forward. I am nipple forward. Um, and I absolutely love being able to discuss that right.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Squirt squirt from the NIPS or the cl. I am all for.
Oti: Nice,
KT: And if you think that was too much, then you obviously haven't watched this film. Friends and lovers.
Oti: Everything you say or see or or hear is tamed compared to what you've watched.
KT: This is my fucking final form. You know at times when people watch The Boys, I'm like, if you watch The Boys, you don't have a problem. Listen to listening to our podcast. And now we have Visitor Q. So I obviously have a lot more to work up to, Oti. I haven't even reached my final.
Oti: No, we need to rail that shit yet.
KT: You wanna rail me?
Oti: we need to rail
KT: Are you Oti A-Train? you see friends and lovers. It's getting the juices flowy. Yeah. Jesus can come too. It's a whole, it's a whole station. Black Jesus. I'm white Jesus.
Oti: Oh, wow.
KT: Yeah. It sounds like you're at fruition now.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Um, so let's get into casting and characters Ben, women in dominant positions. I think I literally just covered that.
Oti: You sure did.
KT: yeah. Um, so let's, let's move into just general, um, sort of thoughts. Are there any other characters you wanted to talk about? We talked about the son a little bit. Is there anything else you wanted to say about the son?
Oti: I felt sorry for the son.
KT: Oh, so now you feel sorry
Oti: For o on the second viewing, I felt sorry for him because you can see there's definitely neglect going on there. Um, he doesn't know it or anyone to turn to. Um,
KT: yeah. But we've also talked about on the podcast that something that globally bonds you from Africa and me living in Australia, but being a Pacific Islander is that we got beat as kids, right.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: So, you know, as much as we probably said, you know, I've never, if I have children, I've never gotta beat my kids or, you know, just wanting to like retaliate. You never would because you'll turn out like this kid and that's gross.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I hear you. But there was some stuff going on there and to the fact that at the end when the parents do step in and help him out, he, he turns a new leaf. he even realizes, he even says to, to the visitor, Hey, I thought you came here to destroy your family, but thank you. Cause he sees everything
KT: So friends and lovers stick with me, but I am seeing threads of rest and love and peace and power. John Singleton. I'm seeing threads of the Singleton universe and the Miike universe. It starts with Tyrese as a fucking embryo, and it ends with this kid in his mother's come
Oti: What a scene. What a scene
KT: I dare you, friends and lovers to find other critics that can make that connection. he's just a Baby Boy, Oti.
Oti: vi is
KT: Ooh. I don't know if it's a post-coital cigarette. I don't know if it's a cold shower. I didn't even know if we'll ever be the same again. Oti, do you have any closing thoughts?
Oti: It's, it, it's definitely been a journey with this movie and I think with every rewatch from here on now, we'll probably discover something new. We'll, we'll have a different trail of thought. Yeah. But I'm trick to see the other Miike movies and Wow.
KT: I also wanna just have a call back cuz in Audition we talked about pixelated porn and we saw it in this film. Yeah.
Oti: Yes.
KT: Usually friends and lovers. This is where we do our For Your Reference segment. But because we are celebrating four years of the podcast, we are recommending this set menu of Audition, Visitor Q, upcoming Ichi the Killer. I've really been looking forward to this film, but obviously we needed to get Visitor Q done and then also First Love. Oti, my first love
Oti: oh, look at you getting all sentimental.
KT: I don't usually do this. Oti
Oti: ha
KT: on Twitter and Instagram we
Oti: Write us an email, hello@fyrpodcast.com.
KT: We're also on the Mysteries of Life. Amazing.
Oti: They not. It's shit
KT: podcast. If you like to leave a rating or review and we'll see you guys for the next course. ya. Bye.
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