Umbrella Academy – Bow & Sparrow
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Bring along your finest monocle because we have a date with a sequinned mannequin beauty. This week we are covering Netflix’s Umbrella Academy.
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KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and it is another volume of the Umbrella Academy. Mhmm. The Sparrow Academy. This is a quite a popular episode of the podcast Oti. So for those friends and lovers that have watched Umbrella Academy and are not aware, we do have an episode covering seasons one, seasons two, but I'm sure the space boy feels will follow us today. Mhmm. Let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and old man tattoo lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT.
Oti: And Oti.
KT: Behold,
KT: the resurrection of ethical triage, confusing hadrons, and bulging testosterone twins? Initiate the dance sequence with Umbrella Academy season three this week. Is that just the pogo in your pants or you're excited to hear me, Oti? Friends and lovers, again, I would prompt you to go and check out the season one, season two review that we did of the show. We went in-depth of all of the powers that the original seven had. I'm not talking about The Boys, but watch out for our Boys episode. It is spicy.
KT: It is muy caliente. And if you watch Herogasm, it's exactly what I wanna do to La Zalando if you're nasty. Again, creator Gerard Way in regards to the comic, Steve Blackman, Jeremy Slater, released in June 2022. And I guess it's one of the last sort of bastions for Netflix. Right? Stranger Things aside. In way of cast, we have Elliot Page, Tom Hopper, David Castaneda, Emmy Raver-Lampman, Robert Sheehan, Aidan Gallagher, and Justin H. Min. Well, well, well, Oti. We enjoyed, you know, the first season of Umbrella Academy.
KT: Season two was what we thought the show was going to be. So obviously, there was a decline in splooshes and quality in the For Your Reference household. And I'm glad enough time had passed for us to venture into season three. So give us your first impressions and I guess we say spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, daddy resurrection, daddy resurrection, daddy resurrection.
Oti: I was trepidatious. I was scared Yeah. Going into this season just because of how season two knocked me off my knockers. I wasn't sure that
KT: Knocked you off your knockers.
Oti: Yeah. I wasn't sure whether or not I'm gonna enjoy it as much. Uh-huh. And just because Netflix has this habit of, you know, I didn't expect it to be anything worthwhile, to be honest. So when I got in and boy oh boy, was I glad that I was surprised.
Oti: Yeah. It just started with the same it started with the same energy as season one Yep. And it maintained it throughout Uh-huh. And I was there for it. I love this season so much.
KT: You know you know what's really interesting? Because I I'm pretty sure in the space time continuum, we were watching The Boys,
KT: but we've also bolstered comic book frivolity with Doom Patrol, with Peacemaker. It's kind of hard to find where Umbrella Academy fits, to be perfectly honest. It feels risky preteen, but there's obviously some very, very heavy themes that go on in this show, Allison notwithstanding, that will definitely come to. But tonally, I'm a bit confused over where this sits.
Oti: It's it's sort of like what? Doom Patrol light, isn't it?
KT: Light is the keyword,
KT: I suppose, there. Because it never really goes all the way in salacious frivolity, but it definitely has its moments where you're like, if you're a preteen, this probably isn't for you. Me, me, me. I enjoyed, I would say the first half of season three. Actually, no, I enjoyed it throughout. It was just the last episode and the half of episode nine that was a bit meandering for me. Yeah.
KT: And you know, I keep promising we're gonna read more than the first volume of The Boys because that's all we fucking reference when we talk about The Boys. But we haven't read the comics for Umbrella Academy. Comic book wanker. Comic book wanker. Join us friends and lovers in the Bibliotheca. Let's do a quick sound off before we start talking about the characters. I I very much enjoyed Klaus in the first two seasons.
KT: And I obviously love Klaus all the way throughout. Who would you say is your favorite character?
Oti: It's gotta be Klaus. No one comes
KT: Who else? I feel like you were really waving the banner for Allison in the first two seasons though.
Oti: Oh,
Oti: just because I thought she was misunderstood and you were coming really heavy for her. So I
KT: Yeah. Deservedly so, it seems.
KT: Maybe I'm part of the seven. Maybe I was born on the same day as the rest of those motherfuckers.
Oti: Wow. But I felt it was my bit to protect her. So you know what? This season, she's on her own. She's on her
KT: Okay. Well, we're going to talk about all of the characters. Who would you say is your favorite in the Sparrow Academy? Because we haven't obviously talked about the Sparrow Academy until this review episode. But who would you say is your favorite?
Oti: Sloane.
KT: Oh. Well well, you are the simp space boy, so that makes sense.
Oti: Wow.
KT: Alphonso is my favorite.
Oti: Alright.
KT: Okay. Okay. We're not doing a battle royale just yet. There's a couple of things I wanna talk about before we get into characters, Oti. The first is the through line for this particular season.
KT: You know, Oti, many, many times, I always talk about how I have trans tax, and I wouldn't be a writer because all of my characters would be trans and they would never die, and they would have no trauma at all. But I I do wanna give love and plaudits to the team and the production in the way that they handled the Victor storyline. Oti stopped checking because every time Victor showed up on the screen, I was blubbering.
Oti: You were?
KT: Yes. Yes. True. But I do love the way that the storyline was introduced and the way that it continued Victor's character arc specifically.
Oti: I really enjoyed it. Yeah. And and I'm pretty sure we'll get to the moment on how they handled the sort of reveal Uh-huh.
Oti: Later on. But, yeah, it was cool. It was sweet that it was done that way. And
KT: Like, if Diego can be cool and not make a big deal out of it, oh, I just my heart melted and I felt great. But what I wanted to talk about was, you know, season one and season two featured very heavily on Victor's decisions and essentially resetting the whole multiverse
KT: timeline. Right? And it kinda got annoying because we we felt the remix in season two. Like, it was all in in in like broad strokes. It was essentially the same storyline. They ended up at the same destination twice. Save the cheerleader, save the world. Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't think we'll ever be able to rewatch Heroes. It was a moment in time. Right? Yeah. That woman passed me. So how did you feel so in season three, we're actually embarking on a different broader storyline, which I thought was a bit more interesting,
KT: And it was the whisperings of oblivion. There was also Five saying, don't try and save the world. Essentially, we were getting to a point, and they also talked about the grandfather paradox as well. So how did you feel about that overall
KT: sort of storyline pushing through into season three?
Oti: Oh, definitely enjoyed it. Based off the fact that season two was so disappointing, I did enjoy the, oh, let's go back in time and stop the JFK assassination. Like Yeah. I wasn't the biggest fan of that plot. Yeah. But when it came to this, we had Oblivion. What the fuck is Oblivion? You know? Five, don't save the world. What the hell? What do you mean? Yeah. There's a Kugelblitz about to
Oti: eat everything whole. Yeah. But I was I was I was so intrigued by every sort of plot point with this. And then we get to see
Oti: Klaus' journey in a deeper level, and that's something that we got his sort of stint in him joining a cult and being a cult leader and all that.
KT: The lovable Jared Leto.
Oti: Yes. Yeah. But
KT: The acceptable Morbius.
Oti: With this, we dig deeper, and I and I appreciated that because so many times, the Klaus is just like a original character. Whatever he says doesn't hold weight. Even no one in his family takes him seriously. He would say there's a Kugelblitz in the in in the basement, but people will be like
KT: Well, he said it to Diego. So it's
KT: believable that that it's believable that that wasn't further than any way because again, he only told told Diego.
Oti: No. I think it's just because it's Klaus. That was more the point.
KT: I think it's both the point. It was both that it was Klaus and it also that Diego was the one receiving particular message. But I absolutely agree with you. I really enjoyed the Kugelblitz of it all. But I have a question. The grandfather paradox, far be it from me to try and reengineer your Sorkin metaphors, that's a 30 Rock reference by the way,
KT: how shouldn't shouldn't it have been something a bit more, like, less obvious? Because if you kill your grandfather, you no longer exist. That's pretty straightforward. Right? Or was that used as like a device, but not strictly just about a grandfather,
KT: like a family line? That's what I was a bit confused about.
Oti: No. I think it just means that once he so he killed in the story, it was he traveled back in time and killed the grandfather at the wrong point. Uh-huh. Yes. You could still kill the granddad, but it's after a certain action had happened to secure his lineage. Uh-huh. Before that, then your father doesn't
Oti: shuck up with your mom, you know, all that Yeah. Doesn't happen. So wrong single point in time and just erased everything and creates a different sort of split, creates an alternate
Oti: timeline of sorts.
KT: You know, while we're talking about it, was it called The Tomorrow War with Chris Pratt, but more importantly, Betty Gilpin? They had a very interesting way of explaining like time traveling back and forth. And I thought that was quite effective. Again, I don't care about Chris Pratt in any other instance. More than time is nonlinear? Get out of town. It still burns us to this day, friends and lovers. We're not gonna spoil it by telling you what that reference is, but you'll know. You'll absolutely know. I
KT: I guess when you put it that way, it does make sense. But again, friends and lovers, I'm more concerned with the feelings as opposed to the mechanisms of storytelling.
Oti: Since when?
KT: Since now.
KT: No. Because no. Because I bring my feels all the time and you're like and you're like, yeah.
Oti: No, bro. Feels is different to black tax. I think that's what you're talking about.
KT: It's the one it's one of the same thing. Friends and lovers, go and listen to our Air Force One episode. Oti sings Nelly's Air Force One in like two minutes of the episode. So that should give you all the indications of black tax.
KT: Oh, jeez. I'm surprised you're not talking about Allison, but also it makes sense why you're not talking about Allison.
Oti: Yeah. Oh, get to her. She's she's very interesting character.
KT: Do you wanna go in numerical order or do you wanna talk about which Umbrella Academy we like from best to worst?
Oti: Best to worst. But we're talking about Klaus then. Right?
KT: Yeah. This you know what? When we first started watching season three again, I forgot why I loved Klaus so much and I also forgot what his powers was
KT: because I I guess I got it confused with Ben, but the fact that the the apparition, the materializing of Ben was via Klaus's powers. Mhmm. And Ben's just got that hentai shit going on. Mhmm. So I really, really, really am enjoying Klaus's character arc. I think it's quite great. And I think generally, by meeting the Sparrow Academy, it was made quite clear that these motherfuckers can't fight. Like, they they were they were cut at the kneecaps. Their their growth was hindered. And, you know, we can talk about Reggie.
KT: Archer reference. Go and listen to our Archer episode. We can talk about Sir Reginald Hargreeves. Like, he was giving them tough love, but he also wasn't giving them fruitful sort of lessons. So they weren't necessarily being nurtured to, you know, be able to get that XP and be able to level up because the sparrow academy absolutely got that.
KT: And what I really enjoyed about season three is, okay, we've acknowledged that the team isn't as strong as they could be. Because really, it was just Victor that was the strongest out of all of them. Allison was kinda whispering here and there. Spaceboy was shaking his fist at the moon. Like, there wasn't a lot of, like, guttural sort of strength out of The Seven. And what I really loved about season three is that it actually explored untapping that potential. Mhmm. And Klaus is embodiment of that absolutely.
Oti: Oh, for sure. And I think him going on a journey to try and figure out what happened to his mom Yeah. And taking Five along, I think that was that was a cool bonding moment for this two. And to see him being vulnerable. Yeah. And and we we don't get that with Klaus usually, you know. Everything feels so, you know, just slides off him. Uh-huh. But it doesn't. Yeah. You know, he still has feels and
KT: He was trapped in a mausoleum.
Oti: And we get to see him be more be more vulnerable,
Oti: which is something we love to see. Yeah. Absolutely. And and to make the fact that he gets sort of this faux pas bonding moment with Sir Reginald is is the cream of the cake because, a, it is a different Reginald. Doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, he he's always wanted that attention and to get it and to, you know, be walked through the capabilities and what he can do. It felt very
Oti: Terrence Howard archetype.
KT: That was me, baby. I'm a different man now. I don't know. At some point well, let let me ask you. Do you genuinely think this Reginald was different to the Umbrella Academy, or do you think there's some sort of avatar tentacle tethering?
Oti: Nah. Fuck the avatar tentacles all the way.
KT: Right.
Oti: Yeah. He is just playing a game of he's playing 4D chess, mate.
KT: Well, it's also established that he's a fucking alien. Mhmm. So I would imagine you're a pretty shit alien if you don't have extra abilities is what I'm saying.
KT: It it was it was fun, also sad that the bonding happened through constantly killing Klaus, but it was absolutely a moment that he cherished. And I think I might have said it in the other Umbrella Academy episode, but Klaus is absolutely the glue for this family.
Oti: Yeah. A 100% agree.
KT: And I think I'd forgotten Klaus' power when Stan shot him through. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, of all the characters, Space Boy was right there. Just Game of Thrones him. You'll be fine. Yeah.
Oti: Yeah. Was like, oh, no. What's gonna happen with this? Surely not.
KT: Game of Thrones trivia.
Oti: He was a Baratheon?
KT: He was a Tarly, mate.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Now he's the Samwell Tarly in this show. But again, love and splooshes to Klaus. He continues to be the MVP of this show. Let's talk about Victor because, again, a lot of the through line that we get from the earlier seasons are via Victor. And Harlan Mhmm. Did you see that coming, and did you care for that twist?
Oti: I I'd forgot it. Oh, man. It was so long ago since we watched season two, but I forgot Harlan just felt insignificant.
KT: Sissy, yes. Like, can get how Sissy might have some sort of importance in the show, but I don't understand how Harlan became such a big but again, it might be true to the comics, but I don't
Oti: Because he he was brought back to life.
KT: True. Evanescence style?
Oti: Yeah.
Oti: So he had to play a part in this. It was wild that he kept on looking for Victor throughout all this time, while waiting for Victor to show up. Sad. It's sad. And he struggled throughout his whole life. And I think the montage of him going from home to home and Sissy losing partner after partner just
Oti: because of the power that that Harlan has.
KT: Yeah. It was sick, man. I was I was crying. I was busting a gut. Yeah. And then okay. Well, we already mentioned spoilers. This is obviously the most juiciest thing to talk about in season three because obviously Harlan has a sustained presence in season three. What did you think about the storyline? And I guess maybe this plays into the grandfather paradox. What did you think about the storyline of Harlan actually hearing? Because Harlan is so hyper focused and and and so discerning
KT: of noises, he could hear the suffering of these suddenly Mary or otherwise pregnant young women,
KT: and he was actually trying to help them, albeit destroy them.
Oti: You know, the path to hell and all that? Uh-huh. So be it his intentions or whatnot, it still happened. And I think the biggest mistake was Victor keeping it to himself. Yep. He's had this tendency of always just excluding himself from the family Yep. And just running his own thing Yeah. To the point where when when Allison gets pissed off, it's understandable. I'm like, bruh. You've literally were about to destroy the world two times.
Oti: Yeah. And you're still carrying out here
KT: It's a melting in
Oti: in a solo mission.
KT: It's a melting pot of accountability, my love.
Oti: Yeah. It is. But I
KT: Everyone can catch these accountability hands. Are are you putting your tax in?
Oti: Because I think that he would have been better telling everyone what was going on and trusting them enough to handle that shit because Harlan ends up dying anyway.
KT: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't think that's necessarily fair, but again, I do have tax and Oti rightfully, the accountant pulled me up on my tax. Mhmm. I would point back to the flashback scenes that we experienced with Victor because arguably, no one's arguing. Spaceboy is the most useless one out of the seven. I think maybe on the surface,
KT: Reginald thought that, you know, Luther would be the one to lead. And then he quickly found out, eject this motherfucker to the space to the moon and he can live there. That was so sad. Imagine coming home and looking at all of your records under the floorboards and you know he never looked at all of the little moon rocks that you packaged up so nicely.
Oti: But thing is with how season three ended is that maybe he was up there for a purpose because he was protecting something greater. He was a guardian. Yep. So maybe, you know, be it the effect of
KT: Would that would that take away the sting anymore for you if that happened to you?
Oti: Yeah. If I knew I had purpose up there and he just didn't send me up there to be a dick.
KT: Let's go back to Victor
KT: for a second. I I think there's a lot of context that you're missing here. Albeit bringing the world to an apocalypse the first two times. I I think Victor was used to having to clean up his own messes. Mhmm. Allison, on another hand, will come to in but a moment.
KT: But I think Victor really thought he was doing the right thing. What did you think of the exchange? I think it's a particularly a scene that I will always like, be able to recall in season three where Five was talking to Victor about going rogue, being the lone wolf, doing it all on your own. And that's essentially a villain. Right?
Oti: Yeah. It is. And and I think even Five pulling
Oti: up Victor on that, Mhmm. You just gotta listen sometimes because he's got a caring heart. He wants to feel everything. He wants to care, nurture. But bruh. Bruh.
KT: Well, no. Let's also talk about the fact that Five had a lecture to Victor and Luther had a lecture to Victor, but none of them tried to check Allison. So doesn't that give some sort of credence in Victor's direction or not?
Oti: How many times does Allison
Oti: try to end the world? Stop waiting. Start counting.
KT: Boo.
KT: Okay. Well, let's no. No. Let's talk about Allison. We don't have time to do forensics on your black tax. Pass. No. But let's talk about Allison. Okay. Let's be real about this shit. I so I'm not saying that the human condition is perfect, but it frustrated me seeing Allison talk about squandered opportunities for relationships with Claire, her daughter, or with Raymond, her husband, in two different timelines without acknowledging
KT: that she had a hand to play in it. Yeah. No. If you wanna talk about it, let's fucking talk about it. You went for the Victor jugular. We're going to talk about Allison now because it it was something along the lines of her getting annoyed with her kid and kids be kidding. Like, that's what they do. They be annoying. That's kind of their modus operandi, you know? So she was Claire was just being Claire, and I'm pretty sure she was the one that said, I heard a rumor. You shut the fuck up.
Oti: True.
Oti: But she did leave them for them to be safe.
KT: No. But that happened after.
KT: I'm saying, let's be accountable for our actions. So yes. So you acknowledge that Allison
KT: just felt like not parenting in a particular parenting moment. Correct?
Oti: No. I think if you had powers and you're being pushed constantly or annoyed, you might accidentally
Oti: use it, not because you're a bad person.
KT: Yeah. See, you would because you're a weak motherfucker like Hughie from The Boys. Wow. I wouldn't you know what? If I wanted you to shut the fuck up, I would just make you shut the fuck up. I wouldn't use a power. Wow.
Oti: You're putting that chest up, bro.
KT: Well, the chest is what makes you shut the fuck up.
Oti: No. It's understandable. It's understandable that she tries to separate herself from the family.
KT: You're so annoying because this is not the same this is not the same Oti when we're watching.
Oti: Yeah. Well, I do understand that bit, but what really did get me in this season is her insistence on being angry and just not wanting to see that, hey. It's in Istanbul. She's, you know, a kid, partner, whatnot. They've disappeared,
Oti: and it's a whirlwind every single time trying to save the world, which results in shit happening. Yeah. That's understandable. That's perfectly understandable. But what I didn't get is her attitude towards the rest of the family. It's it really isn't their fault. She didn't really try to reach out. She didn't really try to talk to anyone. And I think my sort of straw breaking the camel's back with her came when she was trying to rumor well, not even trying. She rumored number one. Yeah. You know? Moonboy.
Oti: And, like, what fucking degree is this fucking nonsense gonna go? That's forcible assault. That's not right. It wasn't cool and I think it's totally understandable for number one thinking that, yeah, I can go and be in Sparrow Academy.
KT: But that's what I was talking about at the top of this episode. Like, that is some dark heavy shit. Like beyond the giggle gaggling with the ghouls chasing Klaus in the graveyard, this is some heavy fucking shit. Mhmm. This is like some I May Destroy You level shit. Mhmm. In an Umbrella Academy show?
Oti: I don't know about that. You know what it kinda reminds me of? The storyline in Doom Patrol.
KT: Mhmm.
Oti: Rito?
KT: Oh, I heard Ghislaine Maxwell, but anyway.
KT: Oh, wow. Well, it's it's like it was too heavy for the tone of the show because you you know why it's too heavy? Because they're never gonna fucking address it again. And they didn't. But you can't introduce something something as problematic as triggering as that and then never address it again.
Oti: Well, they did Kumbaya at the end, so all's forgiven.
KT: Exactly. Exactly. So they didn't address it at all. That's why I was like, nah, this is this is too much for this TV show. Because what she did is she willfully controlled the actions
KT: of Luther to make herself feel good in that moment. It's disgusting.
Oti: And not the make me feel good sort of Billy Bob, Halle Berry, Monster's Ball moment, you know.
KT: When are we gonna watch that? I feel like that's your private archives. I would like to watch it with you.
Oti: What do you mean private archive? It's not a blue movie.
KT: Oh, you you seem to be very protective. We haven't watched it together yet. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna have to watch it in two separate rooms?
Oti: Yeah. Maybe maybe I'll have a look about. I'll just have a a quick look through alone, and then we can do it together afterwards. You gotta give me the TV edit. Yeah.
KT: What a wholesome woman. But again, going back to Allison, I didn't like because you know what? She was primed for fucking her own life up, you know? Yeah. Give it two more seconds and Victor not ending the world. Give it two more seconds. Allison would have fucked it up. In many cases, she fucked it up before the world ended. Man,
Oti: just because there's no tax at all. Wow. No. Like, I feel I felt for her. I think she was really confused in this,
Oti: And I think it was a really good moment for her to sort of let go and let go of that anger and pain at Diego.
KT: Taking advantage of other bodies.
Oti: Yeah. No. No. No. No. I I meant more in terms of what Diego did for
KT: I love how you're just sliding away because you can't defend this storyline.
Oti: I'm not gonna defend it because there's nothing to defend.
KT: You know why? Because Luther was defenseless. That's why.
Oti: Wow. It's gross.
KT: No. You need to keep the same energy for all genders. It's disgusting.
Oti: Yeah. And I did. I I said it was disgusting and just like the TV show, I'm moving on.
KT: Well,
KT: true to form, that is correct. Let's talk about Diego. Diego became a fave of mine. He was kind of he kind of didn't really offer anything more than surface level in the first two seasons of this show, but he really came into his own in season three. I thoroughly enjoyed Diego.
Oti: I think what made Diego shine so much in season three was Stan. Yeah. And the interaction between him and Stan Uh-huh. And getting to know Diego in a more personal level. He's always had feels. He has this sort of macho exterior, but everything even season two.
KT: Mommy issues.
Oti: Yeah. He he's he's the most feely person in this show.
KT: Feely mamas.
Oti: Yeah. And I think just seeing that sort of back and forth with Stan and him trying to care and him realizing,
Oti: you know, it's like seeing him fucking grow. Yeah. And wow, I was there for that. It was enjoyable. Like his power, I'm not a biggest fan of.
KT: It's kind of like stock standard
Oti: Yeah. Like base starter level kit. Yeah. Yeah. Like like something my dear would have, you know, just
KT: Wow. Really? Wow. Okay. But
Oti: I I I I enjoyed it. I enjoyed this season for him. I think it's it's his biggest. I think seeing him in a relationship with Lila as well and him being vulnerable enough to admit that, a, he loves Lila and there's a future there. Well, he wasn't really shying away from all that. You know, it was more seeing those two come together. That was really beautiful. Even when Lila was breaking down because, well, she's been through such fucked up back history. Yeah. Seeing her break down and coming to Diego just because realizing
Oti: that, Mae, what the fuck? What am I gonna lose?
KT: Friends and lovers, we said it not many episodes ago when they talk about interracial love, it's not just someone plus white. Fact. What do you think about Diego and Lila? Do you think they were a good sort of coupling? To me, they felt very randomly pieced together.
Oti: No. I think they were a really good couple. I don't appreciate the Lila-Five shit that goes on. Yeah. Especially because Five,
Oti: like the actor. Yeah. He's like a thousand years old, all his fucking brain, but Jesus Christ, he's in like a he's in a 10 year old's body, mate. Yeah. And, you know, Aidan is quite young.
KT: And I guess friends and lovers,
KT: if you don't have a problem with Five and Lila, then stay the fuck away from our anime.
Oti: Wow.
KT: Raphtalia a hoot.
Oti: Take Raphtalia's name out of your goddamn mouth.
KT: Oh, so it's okay to reference Will Smith but not endorse him. Okay, Oti. Mhmm. Again, I don't buy it. I don't buy Lila and Diego. Not that I'm, like, covering Lila's face and I'm jealous. I'm just saying, like, I don't buy their particular love story. I got a bit annoyed at the dumping of Stan. Even when we found out that it wasn't even like their kid, I was a bit feels he has the residue has the residue of Maury Povich and Jerry Springer. It's got some residue there.
Oti: Wow. But she was pregnant, you know, she deals with emotions.
KT: Don't trick someone into taking care of you.
Oti: Well, world has a lot of people tricking each other.
KT: Don't trick someone into buying McDonald's for all of your kids even though
KT: even though you're the only baby father to one.
Oti: Oh, baby father.
KT: Just don't like I don't like testing your love for someone. I don't like that generally.
Oti: Yeah. I understand that. But then again, it's it's it's Lila. She's dysfunctional at best. Woah. Woah. They've set up the character. You have to go by what you'd expect from them and not what you'd want.
KT: Man, Riz Ahmed had more growth in his Sound of Metal.
Oti: Wow. Did he do?
KT: I'm saying by comparison.
KT: By comparison, absolutely. Who haven't we talked about in the seven? We haven't talked about Five so much. Thoughts?
Oti: He wasn't such a big part of this season. Like,
Oti: I've missed the dynamic whenever he's in the scenes. Yeah. He he he definitely steals the scene whenever he's in it. So we really got a lot of Five in the first two seasons, and we did get to understand his background and everything he's gone through. Mhmm. So I was happy for him to take a sort of back seat in this a bit Yeah. So that we could get more from Klaus, Diego,
Oti: and to some extent, even bloody Allison and Victor.
KT: Could have used less Allison, but anyway. I get you. I feel you. And and Five still played an important role in season three, but you're right. We got a lot more, like, space to shine. Speaking of shine, let's talk about Ben. Thoughts about Ben.
Oti: Ben from FilmBusters. Where do we start?
KT: We fucking love Ben from FilmBusters. I'm talking about Ben from Sparrow or Umbrella Academy. Your pick. Yeah. I I couldn't buy him being a dickhead. I'm sorry. Thank you. Justin H. Min is such a beautiful wonderful man. There's no way there's no way that I could buy that he's an asshole. And again, friends and lovers, it has nothing to do with acting ability. I I don't know. I've never really seen Keanu Reeves play an asshole character, but I imagine I wouldn't buy that either.
Oti: No. It wasn't more that he's acting is bad. No. No. No. He just he just looks fucking adorable like me. He looks really sweet. Right? Yeah. Nah. It wasn't more acting ability. He's a great actor. It's just, are you sure that's how you wanna be? I did enjoy
Oti: well, he he did show his sensitive side towards the end where he felt a bit, oh. Oh, he got blackout drunk. Yeah. Where am I left at? Why do you leave me out on the bachelor party?
KT: I just wanna lay more love for Justin H. Min. I've I've never had any desire
KT: you know, when you watch American films and they like do the popcorn string on the Christmas tree? I've never had a desire to do that, but I feel like I could wear some Christmas sweaters and do that with Justin H. Min and Justin H. Min only.
Oti: Oh, good. I thought that was gonna go way darker.
KT: I'm a wholesome gal. How dare you? Just just ignore every other sexual thing I say. That was something very wholesome.
Oti: Thought we'd have a segment in Discovery ID, mate.
KT: No. I can be wholesome. I can surprise you from time to time. Alright. Let's do a rapid fire round. I just wanna lay some love and splooshes to Alphonso. At first, I was like, I don't understand what he does. And when we first saw the capability of his powers and his skill, I was like, I fucking want that. Wow. Well, it's the less toxic way of absorbing someone else's pain and redirecting it.
Oti: Yeah. He he had a cool he had a cool trick there, but he died quite quickly. To be fair, they picked them all off quite easy. I'm surprised Fei lasted as long as she did. Yeah. Fei's Fei's ability was quite cool until you realize that if you just cut a bat and start choking it, she gets affected.
KT: It's her bankai.
KT: Friends and lovers, go and watch Bleach. It's coming out near the end of the year, so maybe
Oti: Oh, I can't wait. Yeah.
Oti: If you're not watching anime, start with fucking Bleach right now. So that by the time it comes out in October, you're all caught up and you can have some really good time with it. Absolutely.
KT: Absolutely. Rukia, Renji. I think it's wild we only have two anime reviews on this podcast, Oti. It's sad and Bleach isn't one of them. But we're planning something very special
KT: once Bleach comes out in October.
Oti: Are gonna get a cosplay edition? We're gonna get a cosplay. We're get everything in there. Wow. Mhmm.
KT: Bunko. Well, you said you love Sloane. Why do you love her so much?
Oti: Just because she's cool people. She knows that my family ain't shit. Okay. And seeks to have happiness outside of it. You know, sometimes we all feel trapped within a certain group and you feel you can't live because of obligation, but, you know, it takes someone brave to try and stop pushing that boundary and that's Sloane. Yeah. So I backed that up all the time.
KT: The Vin Diesel family?
KT: Mhmm. Okay. I I didn't really think much of Sloane. It was made very clear that she would be the love interest for Luther, so it was clear that she would stick around. I don't care for the wedding by the way. I'm all for dancing, you know, while the Titanic is sinking, like I'm all for keeping jovial spirits, but I'm like, you two motherfuckers
KT: found a way to make this shit about yourselves. And why not? The world's fucking ending. Why not? Why not just have a party and celebrate everybody else? Why does it have to be about your union of love? Fuck off.
Oti: Hey. Who hurt you?
KT: The bitterness is what keeps it spicy friends and lovers. Wow.
Oti: No, I appreciated it like why not? Let love win.
KT: It was sad that Luther had to go. But do you think he's genuinely gone? If we have Klaus that is able to come back from the afterlife, I'm pretty sure he'll find a way. Well, he they all came back at the end without powers. So I guess they're rerouting everything, and we'll see how that goes in season four. Well, that's a perfect way to finish the discussion point. What do you feel about that? Because there's a lot of and we also hear Kimiko talk about it. Well, you know, sign about it in The Boys
KT: that they wish that they didn't have these powers. They wish these powers would go away, and they could live a normal life. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think they're starting to realize that they didn't genuinely mean it?
Oti: They never do. You you you only hate it because you have it, but once it's gone and become one of the normal bloody plebs.
KT: Yeah. Nah. But can I just say when they were testing their powers like Five, for example, I'm pretty sure Diego should still have that combative skills? Like, what's it? No. No.
KT: Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Like like Victor, yeah, I get it. Right? Five, yeah, I get it. Allison, yeah, I get it. You fucking throw knives for a living. Like, why? At some point, it's like involuntary muscle memory. How the fuck did you lose it? Am I wrong?
Oti: You're ridiculous.
KT: But am I wrong? You should be able to fucking throw a knife after after how many years of doing it?
KT: You call that a throwing knife? Thank you friends and lovers for joining us in the alternate timeline. Mhmm. We're gonna finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference. Oti.
Oti: I'm gonna reference Doom Patrol. If you wanna get deeper, darker, it's the one to watch.
KT: Well, I'm gonna one up you. Peacemaker.
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