The Drop: A Snowfall Saga, A Different World & Line of Fire

Full transcript of The Drop: A Snowfall Saga, A Different World & Line of Fire.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and it's another Ref Max: Pilot Season. You know, the networks, the streamings, hopefully we get. It's definitely not as healthy. It's not a healthy stream—

0:20Oti: Mm.

0:20KT: of pilots. So, you know, we've dibble-dabbled. We've taken some nibbles. Maybe we'll take some bigger bites out of these shows. But on first impression, we're very excited. I guess let us know if you're watching it, and we should continue to watch it if we haven't continued to watch it. But tap in, friends and lovers. We're taking nibbles out of the For Your Charcuteries. Let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and pilot season lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host casting, producing everything, maybe sometimes director, KT.

1:06Oti: And Oti.

1:07KT: Main star.

1:08Oti: Mm, mm, mm.

1:09KT: Always, always. Today we will be talking about The Drop, as well as A Different World, both spinoffs, reboots, et cetera, of existing IP, and then ending off with Line of Fire. I think you need to talk to your friend Bobby, my love, but we'll get to that. So let's start off with The Drop: A Snowfall Saga. Friends and lovers, if you can believe, we created the podcast before everyone created podcasts in COVID. I'm pretty sure we've got at least two full review episodes on Snowfall, right?

1:47Oti: We do.

1:47KT: We've got at least two—

1:49Oti: Mm.

1:49KT: friends and lovers, so please go and check that out. Go and check that show. That show was gorgeous, amazing quality. Love, respect, rest in peace, John Singleton. I'll already say off top, I don't really like this show, but we will get— Well, if you're listening in these few minutes as we start to see the contorting of algorithms, one second is enough. So if you've made it this couple of minutes, you're a longtime fan, friends and lovers. So my love, take us through your first impressions. This format is non-spoiler, but I would strongly encourage you, at least the first four seasons, I think we Was our consensus, right?

2:34Oti: Yeah.

2:35KT: First four seasons of Snowfall, friends and lovers. It gets a bit Skully scary. It gets a bit Manboy. But yeah, first four seasons of Snowfall, and also check out our full review episodes. But take us away, my love.

2:52Oti: Snowfall had its charm, and now we're back in Wonderland with a sprinkle of Leon. So what's the crack this time? Music. The Drop is still finding its footing, sometimes favoring aesthetics over story, but there's plenty working in its favor. Early days, the only way is up.

3:11KT: That was very nice.

3:12Oti: Mm.

3:14KT: Now I'm gonna ask you every time we review, "So what's the crack this time?" Oh, Alter Ego, friends and lovers. You see, I don't remember much. I don't remember the hottest Elordi flavor of the month, but I do sometimes remember our episode titles, friends and lovers. Alter Ego. Okay, I'm not sure The Drop can or should be critiqued independently of Snowfall, but the shoes are not as easy to fill. Woo. Bow, bow, bow, bow. I had to do two soundboard. I'm not done. I'm still reading my quote.

3:54Oti: Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

3:55KT: It won't be included in Rotten Tomatoes. As the series progresses, we're getting more of an exploration of the world, but momentum and motivation at times are conflicting.

4:07Oti: Mm.

4:07KT: Wow, that sounds shadier than I planned. The momentum's not momentum-ing. And the motivation is making me wanna motivate. Love, love, love, appreciate Isaiah John, but I need to smack that kid more than one time watching this show. I think we've watched at least three episodes, right?

4:28Oti: Yeah.

4:29KT: For all of the episodes that are available—

4:30Oti: We're all caught up.

4:31KT: Yeah, we're all caught up, friends and lovers. So, I guess in context, there was a lot that you talked about. I'll try not to make this a full review, but I do have some interesting things that you said, some interesting things I said that I just want to analyze for a second, my love. You talked about the aesthetic, and I think we both felt that way watching it. I don't think it would be a negative to say that the aesthetic wasn't one of the sort of pulls of Snowfall, but that's because Snowfall had so much to offer. But you could tell it was—

5:09Oti: It added to the story rather than being the front and center of it.

5:11KT: Like Insecure, it gives you a backdrop. It gives you a setting. It gives you an understanding that the pen that is making this story. Malcolm Spellman, we can probably talk about, he's the creator of The Drop. He wasn't involved in Snowfall, my love, but his biggest credit is The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

5:31Oti: Okay.

5:32KT: But anyway, the reason why setting is important is 'cause it contextualizes the characters, and it contextualizes the themes in which they're exploring. So Snowfall, it was important, and I'm not saying it wasn't aesthetic, but this felt aesthetic forward, kind of like The Get Down.

5:52Oti: It's like how can we make the best shot every single time?

5:56KT: And use a different lens every single time. Yeah. Like, Boots Riley movie's great. This show—

6:03Oti: Mm. It got in the way of the story, and I'm like, let's just get to a good storytelling point of view of what we want to do here, and then the aesthetics will come and will amalgamate whatever it is you're trying to tell. Currently, it just feels like you're trying to watch. It's like a slideshow.

6:24KT: Yeah.

6:25Oti: We're flicking through a slideshow and just seeing cool shots, and the story's sort of lagging behind.

6:30KT: Years ago, they used to—

6:32Oti: We've got characters who have questionable. Ah, it's not really motives because it's questionable placements rather, you know? Their existence is questionable in the setting itself. And it just begs the question, where are we going? Either they get the best character development arc ever told—

6:56KT: Yeah.

6:56Oti: on TV—

6:57KT: Yeah.

6:58Oti: or we're just flailing around.

7:01KT: And I think we're flailing. I think what we're starting to understand is, like, I'm pretty sure your. What's your man? Taylor Sheridan. I'm pretty sure a lot of those. Are they all—

7:13Oti: Why my man?

7:16KT: My man, my man, my man, my baby, my baby, my Lioness baby. But it's like, actually, are they all individual shows, or are they all connected, or are they all just the same show with different middle-aged white men?

7:27Oti: Yeah.

7:27KT: Okay. I thought they were all connected. Yes to all of them. They're all Jay. Yes to all of them. Please give me some more, sir. I guess what I'm saying is, like Power, for example, I am ready, meet me outside, meet me in the car park, not Tracy Jordan to get you behind the car park and get you pregnant, but meet me wherever you want to fight, and I will say Power, I will have a layered analysis and argument as to why Power is one of the greatest written shows in these decades.

8:04Oti: Mm.

8:04KT: The way that it is written, and again, talking about momentum and motivation, and Courtney A. Kemp, love, love, love. And we never did a full review on our Daniel from Insecure. What's that show called? Oh my goodness, I'm blanking. Coltrane. Oh, Coltrane Wilder.

8:23Oti: Coltrane Wilder. What was it? On Netflix. Nemesis.

8:27KT: Yes, I don't think we did a full review, but I thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. But again, like Courtney A. Kemp talked about the protagonist being Jamie St. Patrick, being Ghost, and how he was a reverse Midas. You know, in Midas, everything he touched turns into gold. Everything he touched turned into ash, right? And everything crumbled around him. And you see how interesting. I think when shows are written like cloak and dagger, ancient Greek tragedy, and those sort of themes, that's what really carries a show. And we could argue that as Courtney continued to be involved or just in general as they spun the shows out, like into People just call it Tommy, right? Like Force, there's something to be said about the pen and the voice. Because say, for example, if Issa did like one season of Insecure and then someone else picked it up, I don't think it would have the same sort of resonance. So to have Snowfall, and to be fair, a lot of the producers and people that worked on Snowfall are involved in this show. I would love to hear behind the scenes of, I guess, not the adaptation, but I guess the extension of. But it's just, I don't know what it is. Even if you remove the aesthetic of it, there's just a lot of avenues that they're trying to get to very quickly without. It's like trying to instantly become best friends with someone without actually knowing anything—

10:07Oti: Mm.

10:07KT: about them, tracing them from memory. But I guess if we just very succinctly focus on Wanda and Leon. Not to pull you, Wanda, but I will quote something you said while we were watching The Drop. Why is it always about music? It seems like a lot of the shows recently always have to have some element about music, and I just wanted to bring that up 'cause I do agree with that. I wouldn't necessarily say that maybe it was exemplified through Snowfall that Wanda was very passionate about music, but it kinda just felt like they needed to give her something to do.

10:44Oti: I don't even remember that in Snowfall.

10:44KT: Yeah, I know. I was being kind.

10:46Oti: Oh. I thought I missed a season or two. Yeah.

10:49KT: I was being kind. But it kinda felt like, okay, we wanna do a spinoff of Snowfall. It can't be Leon, it's too overlapping.

10:58Oti: Can't be crack again.

11:00KT: And you know what? For Your Crack Reference.

11:04Oti: Mm.

11:05KT: That would be every segment now. It just felt like we needed to do a spinoff, we needed to extend the IP. Okay, let it be Wanda, give her a redemption arc because we love redemption arcs and it brings out the humanity in all of us, cool.

11:25Oti: Mm.

11:26KT: Again, I don't know how music specifically. It does make sense in the setting, especially because they're positioning the gangs, and that makes sense to culturally tie that in. Whether it was to be channeled through Wanda, I don't know if that's necessarily. It wasn't necessarily compelling. Like, Wu-Tang: An American Saga—

11:47Oti: Mm.

11:48KT: that was very interesting. Obviously Wu-Tang, but still, like, that was interesting to be able to navigate it. Empire was very much a soap opera, and I mean that in the best way.

12:00Oti: And that's what this gave me vibes of, in essence though.

12:02KT: But it wasn't campy or corny or it didn't let itself be silly enough. 'Cause at least Empire has its moments.

12:09Oti: You know, it felt like Yazz would just pop in to do "Drip Drop, drip drippity drop" and then—

12:14KT: Oh, they wish they could drip, drippity drop.

12:17Oti: No, but there was definitely essence of what Empire was in its sort of prime.

12:28KT: Yeah.

12:29Oti: And I'm not sure I thought a spinoff of Snowfall would lead us to that.

12:35KT: Because it wasn't that. Like, Snowfall wasn't that. I wouldn't call Snowfall gritty, but I would say that it was very grounded. This is very student art film, let's play with the saturation. What? I think spiritually it's related to The Get Down.

13:00Oti: Yeah. Geez.

13:02KT: And I am personally upset because I know the quality of Snowfall. It felt like it could've been a Netflix equivalent straight to digital.

13:14Oti: Yeah.

13:15KT: And it's already on digital, but it's like an even lesser format. Resolution buffer.

13:20Oti: VHS. Get your tapes out.

13:26KT: But I guess ignoring her passion for music, the redemption arc for Wanda I think would've been the most interesting thing about this show, not just because she's a recovering. Well, I wouldn't even call her an addict, but she's recovered and she's clean. I was even saying to you, I was like, "Man, as much as your family say they love you, if they keep throwing that in my face, I'm moving town." Like, I'm moving to where nobody knows me essentially. And I thought that was quite interesting to have that sort of, you've changed, you've made the changes, and you've made sure that those changes don't revert, right? And you're trying to make better of your life, and people keep reminding you. And you keep trying to hustle. Even when you're trying to hustle, people be smacking you in the face metaphorically, physically, otherwise. And I thought that could've been such an interesting, especially 'cause we just had President Curtis Furious, friends and lovers.

14:24Oti: Hmm.

14:25KT: Like, we really could've had a female-led show about redemption, about an imperfect female protagonist that you don't necessarily have to love to root for or relate to.

14:40Oti: Yeah. Yeah.

14:43KT: I like seeing Leon. When I start to give up on the show, they sprinkle it. But also he has a redemption arc as well, which I would say if you're gonna do a spinoff, do it on Leon. But I feel like for them maybe they were like, "Nah."

14:57Oti: Too close to Snowfall. At that point they'll just spin around the block and we'll see Franklin is all drugged up.

15:04KT: Him, her, him. What happened to him? What happened to your brother? Pookie. You're the first one to say Pookie on this podcast, by the way, not me.

15:15Oti: Nah, let it be, fam.

15:17KT: Let it be A Different World.

15:20Oti: Hoo.

15:21KT: Okay, first impressions, and also I am looking for, after your first impressions, to get context, 'cause I didn't watch the show when it came out. But yes, my love, first impressions.

15:31Oti: Nostalgia is a drug, and being back at Hillman certainly hits the spot. A few episodes in and I'm still not sure where we're going, with the modern TV formula sometimes outweighing the spirit of the original. Maybe I've aged out, but there's something lovely about the new generation getting a taste of the richness of what A Different World was, hopefully.

15:53KT: Another very kind quote.

15:56Oti: Mm.

15:57KT: A Different World had a difficult task of rebooting a well-beloved series as well as finding a unique voice to cut through similar shows. There are interesting themes introduced, and I hope the series can really dig deep and deliver.

16:13Oti: Yeah.

16:14KT: Give me context of the OG.

16:16Oti: So the OG is a spinoff of The Cosby Show. We've got Denise, Lisa Bonet. The cast, when they're introducing the cast in the original, you could tell the sort of archetypes. It felt fun. There was some comedic spirit in it.

16:41KT: Yeah.

16:41Oti: This sort of feels the gritty uncle where it's like—

16:46KT: Like that SNL skit—

16:47Oti: Yeah.

16:48KT: of Family. Was it Family Matters?

16:50Oti: Yeah. Yeah. It was of Family Matters where it's like everything has to be, everyone has to get this story. Everyone has to get a weird sort of line and it didn't feel like I was watching A Different World. If it wasn't for the OG cast being sprinkled in— it would just be like, oh, cool, we're getting a different show with college kids and HBCUs.

17:20KT: Mm. No, I agree with you. Well, I don't have the context of it, so I don't know whether the flavor's missing or not. Like say for example, I'm pretty sure we did a Living Single full review, didn't we, friends and lovers?

17:34Oti: Mm.

17:34KT: Yes. Like if they did a Living Single reboot, which I don't think they need to, but if they were to, you could inform the voice of that or even like 30 Rock. We're gonna be watching 30 Rock, friends and lovers. So I can't really speak to that, but what I will say is a lot of shows feel All American. Like, I feel like we—

17:55Oti: Yes. That's, yes.

17:57KT: 'Cause I feel like we watched. That's the one with Taye Diggs, right? Yeah. See, that's how old we are, friends and lovers. I don't know what fucking little kids are in there. Leave me alone. But I feel like we watched All American, and I think it was one of the first few of, like 'Cause I think when they say young adult, it's like, oh, I guess it can be early 20s, mid-20s. But I feel like it was the first of that sort of genre sort of show. "How come nobody want me, man?" Like, just very, "My problems are the biggest problems, social justice, oh yeah." 'Cause I never really got into Dear White People. But there are shows like that, right?

18:36Oti: Mm.

18:37KT: But they all start to feel the same. Like even Bel-Air, Bel-Air did feel like at least there was a cross-section of the OG Bel-Air. And shout-outs to Jabari. He's very likable, so even watching Bel-Air, as ridiculous as Geoffrey will be in the background as mandem—

18:56Oti: Mandem.

18:58KT: on his scooter, he grounded the show.

19:02Oti: Mm.

19:03KT: And he made the show interesting, and he made the show compelling. But a lot of these young shows right now, and again, friends and lovers, I'm way out of the age bracket, so feel free to go and check out a TikTok or dance or something, but a lot of the shows feel the same. Mindy Kaling, The Sex Lives of College Girls is one of the best shows in this sort of genre-y young adult "we have sex and we care about environmental issues," et cetera. And Mindy Kaling hasn't even brought her best pen in the last couple of years. Oof. That's a dig to the industry and the Netflixable young adult sort of shows. There was a new Mindy Kaling show that people are saying is getting canceled, which, you know, this can be a broader conversation. But I'm just like, first off, are you even fucking watching the show? And second off, these shows aren't that interesting. I didn't even get into Industry that much, but I'm sure the writing or at least the bodies were something to look at. I don't know. I didn't know they'd be fucking. Maybe people be fucking in other people's offices. I don't know.

20:17Oti: That was season one and two stuff. After that we grew up.

20:20KT: Oh, okay. Thank you, Romulus. Thank you, thank you. But it's like, can the writing be just as good in these shows? I don't know. But if we come back specifically to A Different World, even in the pilot, it didn't even seem to matter where we were going. Usually, and I think that's also why we preface this as pilot season, pilots aren't usually the best episodes. Episode two is usually where you're like, "Ah, okay..." Now that they've got the funding and this show is gonna be a show, usually the second episode is like, "Okay, I can unclench my cheeks, and I can sit and grab my snacks, and I can watch." But the purpose of a pilot, and what a good pilot should do, is give you enough Avatar tentacles. Are they tentacles?

21:16Oti: Yeah.

21:17KT: Give you enough Avatar tentacles to see where it might go—

21:22Oti: Mm.

21:23KT: so that you can explore through these characters what it's like. Do we even have a poor kid in this season?

21:30Oti: Yeah.

21:31KT: What it's like being a successful athlete, what it's like. Oh, actually, maybe Rashida.

21:38Oti: Rashida is a poor kid.

21:39KT: Oh, yes, yes, yes, just like her mom. She looks just like her mom.

21:44Oti: Right.

21:45KT: She has great mannerisms.

21:46Oti: Tisha copy-paste.

21:48KT: Okay, so you've got the kid that is full of privilege, Deborah. Deborah reminds me of Millicent in 30 Rock. Enjoy the 30 Rock references on the podcast again, friends and lovers. We always do 30 Rock references. But anyway, Deborah, so having a character that has never really had to stand by anything, stand on anything, and suddenly when she realizes there's injustice around her, she is standing on everything, but it's other people that are sacrificed— as a part of that. Yes?

22:25Oti: You know what? The thing that sort of annoyed me, because I think we watched three episodes of this, was the OG cast not having grown, and it felt like you have grandpas acting a buck. Like, Whitley still being Whitley felt like, "Bruh, what did we do?"

22:43KT: Okay. Can we be— can we be real but also be respectful?

22:47Oti: Yeah.

22:48KT: It seemed like there was a generation between—

22:51Oti: Yeah.

22:51KT: the parent and the child.

22:53Oti: Yeah, yeah.

22:55KT: Because all of the parents

22:57Oti: Yeah.

22:58KT: Yeah?

22:59Oti: Mm. No, I hear you.

23:01KT: I don't know what the writers' room looked like specifically. Why are you laughing?

23:09Oti: No, I was just thinking about the Martin spinoff.

23:13KT: Oh. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

23:17Oti: Not to that level, yeah.

23:18KT: But you're right. Regardless of age, they are grown and they have children. They should be more mature than that.

23:25Oti: Like, there's no more arcs to be had, fam.

23:27KT: Ha.

23:28Oti: At that point, you are who you are—

23:29KT: Ha.

23:30Oti: until, like, where are we going?

23:32KT: Yeah.

23:33Oti: What landing are we trying to do at this stage?

23:35KT: Yeah.

23:37Oti: Bruh.

23:38KT: So back to Deborah, it's like, yeah, no wonder your kids didn't have a chance. Look at the way you're carrying on. But anyway, Deborah, a character that never really had to sacrifice or even understand what sacrifice means, and then when she decides to speak out, she's saying everyone else is a coward. And it's like, bro, your mommy and daddy are on the stage. Of course you, of all people, you can be the one to stand up and actually say something. Then you have Rashida's character, as you mentioned, over, over, overachiever. Had to work for every opportunity she got, and also understands, friends and lovers, understands the inequity even within an HBCU, the lack of funding, the lack of opportunities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and that informs the way she moves.

24:30Oti: Mm.

24:30KT: Right? And it's so interesting. Like, Deborah, I would even say contempt. She would have contempt for Rashida, being like, "Don't you care?" And it's like, come on, man. Not everyone can do what you're doing. Then you have Shaquille, who, I don't know, it's like a Jon Hamm thing. Like, yes, you have handsome problems, but I'm sure you do legitimately have problems. His dad is terrible. So sad, Halle Berry. You know, she's probably finding her wig and saving kids somewhere else. No?

25:03Oti: Yeah.

25:05KT: Or boxing. Or boxing.

25:07Oti: Or boxing. Mm-hmm.

25:08KT: And you have so many interesting, I would say And I don't even mean it in a bad way, but maybe it's also how I watch shows. Like, there are so many interesting themes, and even in regards to commentary, yes, it is an HBCU, but there is always mishandling of funds afoot.

25:28Oti: Mm-hmm.

25:29KT: And there's a bit of that. And there's a lot about optics as well. And it might just be in regards to the specific characters, Jasmine Guy's character.

25:39Oti: Yeah.

25:40KT: It might just be Whitley's sort of character, but there is a notion of optics, and we know that this is wrong. We know the embezzling was wrong, but we need to maintain order in this institution, et cetera, et cetera. I don't imagine this is the sort of show that would dive into very serious allegations, assaults, and stuff that go around, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think it's that show to tackle all of that, but there's already a lot of interesting things. But they kept shifting for vibes. Like, they kept just losing that sort of momentum, so I hope the rest of the series gives us a little bit something more.

26:23Oti: Mm. Yeah.

26:23KT: All right. Well, let's finish off with Line of Fire, my love.

26:28Oti: Wondering where Peter Krause would land after 9-1-1, I'm glad to see him back in thriller territory. Line of Fire shows promise even if the first episode pacing almost lost me. That ending made sure I'll be back to see what shenanigans this family gets up to next.

26:45KT: Wow. Is this your favorite of the bunch?

26:48Oti: No.

26:55KT: Line of Fire attempts to combine what we love about different procedural shows and mostly delivers an interesting pilot. Looking forward to seeing the characters go from trope to growth.

27:06Oti: Mm. Nice. It felt very, like, the storyline—

27:14KT: Mm.

27:15Oti: felt very cookie cutter.

27:16KT: Yeah.

27:17Oti: And yeah, the family all in different alphabet agencies—

27:24KT: Mm.

27:25Oti: doing their thing, and I was like, "Okay, are we going to get a procedural out of this? Where are we going?"

27:32KT: "Dad, I can't give you information." "Why? That's why I put you in there." "No, I got this role by myself."

27:39Oti: "Oh, I don't want any benefit from anyone, but ugh." Like, bro, what are we doing at this stage? Don't be a Deborah, right? It's the Deborah through line in all this. But having that sort of ending, because I was wondering where we're heading with the show and what's the anchoring outside of—

28:03KT: Like, you're a dynasty, so what will topple it?

28:04Oti: We can't murder the, you know, murder of the week—

28:07KT: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

28:08Oti: even if you're going there. But I thought the twist at the end provided enough juice for me to want to dip into it next week to see where we're going.

28:22KT: I didn't realize you're still on A Different World IMDb page, and it says Officer Boo-boo. And I was like, "Who's Officer Boo-boo in Line of Fire?" Peter Krause can be Officer Boo-boo. Again, of the three shows that we're talking about today, it did what it needed to do pilot-wise.

28:46Oti: Mm.

28:47KT: Because as frustrating as nepotism can be, yeah, it makes sense that they're all embedded, and they're all benefiting from, and they're all kind of useless in regards to the children. And it sets up an interesting sort of dynasty. Not necessarily Succession, but the dynamics of it are quite interesting. It's nice to see Hope Davis again. I need a palate cleanser from her in Furious. And just like Domhnall Gleeson, please do a palate freshener because I need a break from your character in The Paper. And for Peter Krause playing Mike Hollingsworth, who knew he could have just as traumatic of a backstory as Bobby?

29:35Oti: Right?

29:36KT: Ah. Just come on, man.

29:38Oti: Just on Bobby, there's some things that he did in that one where I was like, how are the writers trying to make. Like, there's some things when you put on page, you can't sweep it under the rug. Like, it's just there.

29:52KT: Yeah.

29:53Oti: It's his character. He's just. Anyway, love Bobby.

29:57KT: You know what? And I don't think we would do even a Ref Max on Fightland, for example. I think we might have even said it on the podcast as well. There is credit in shows that do interesting things, and even the dialogue stays interesting. Because there are so many shows, and it's been confirmed by so many actors, showrunners, writers that AI is being used. And whether AI is being used or not—

30:29Oti: Mm.

30:30KT: shows are being written with the intention to not compete with you and your phone. So for all of the, I guess, pedestrian sort of, so-so procedural sort of tropes that we get in this show—

30:49Oti: Mm.

30:50KT: it does set up for an interesting sort of dynamic.

30:53Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I think my biggest worry is it being like a circle jerk of events of how far can they get themselves—

31:05KT: Is this a Game of Thrones family?

31:07Oti: It could be. You know, like the DTF stuff of, "Ooh, we're just gonna do our own things, and hide everything, and nothing's gonna touch us." And lots of leeway on where this would go, I think. It has promise on what it could go to and be.

31:25KT: And that's kind of all we need.

31:26Oti: Yeah.

31:28KT: Just give us a little bit of something.

31:30Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the pilot's just setting things up, and it's quite interesting in how they did it, tied it all up in the end, but yeah, for sure. Ooh.

31:40KT: Hoo, hoo. Thank you, friends and lovers, for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. Oti, do you have anything you wanna recommend or you're all good?

31:51Oti: Oh, I'm good. I'm good. We're playing Animal, so—

31:56KT: We are playing Animal. Yes, I love that.

32:02Oti: Yeah, sometimes you gotta switch off a little bit.

32:07KT: And I'm also reading again, friends and lovers. I forgot to say during A Different World, it feels like the romance books that I be reading, but I feel like if you're watching something, so it's a visual medium as well, it needs to be more than what I would read.

32:23Oti: Yeah.

32:25KT: All right. Well, thank you, friends and lovers, and on Twitter and Twitter? On the places we're @foryourrefpod.

32:36Oti: Write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com.

32:40KT: We're also on Pilot Season Please Forever podcast if you'd like to leave a rating and review, and we'll see you guys next time.

32:49Oti: See you.

32:50KT: Bye.