The Boys – Be Stillwell my beating bosom

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0:00KT: Hello. Welcome back to For Your Reference for another week. This week, we do not have your phrase or mine. We actually have another installment of Quid Pro Mo. If you guys didn't already know, we recently featured on an episode with our best friend, Natalie, from the Some Kind of Brown podcast. So definitely check it out. We'll leave the link in the show notes. But for now,

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1:26KT: Howdy, friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You've got your host, KT and Oti. And we are hot digging it out again. We're dipping our toe back into the superhero pool. We sure are. Or the super nasty pool. You are most welcome. You are most welcome. We are covering today what is known as the Amazon series called The Boys. Mhmm. If you haven't watched the series, like we always say, spoiler spoiler spoiler. We also read the comic, and we found out that Compound V is actually containing spoilers.

2:05KT: That's a double nerd reference, so you're most welcome, guys. So please turn away you know, go and have a cute little binge. Call your boss. Take the day off. Watch it. We won't be able to reimburse you, but you're going to have a good time, especially if you listen to our episode right after it. So The Boys is a comic that both of us wasn't really aware of. It was written by Garth Ennis and cocreated, designed, illustrated by Darick Robertson. So that was published quite a while ago.

2:40Oti: Yeah. I think it's 2016.

2:43KT: 2006, dude. '6. That's a whole ten years. Yeah.

2:48Oti: I don't know where I got 16 from. Yeah. Was thinking 2006.

2:53KT: But, you know, let's let's quickly talk about Amazon because, you know, in in regards to juggernauts, it's it's not really the maverick out there like Netflix is. But, you know, if Amazon wanna sponsor us, feel free to. We do love Goliath, but, you know, it it's it's more slim pickings, if you will, in regards to TV shows and movies that come out of Amazon. But we're definitely going to get into this show. There were things that we enjoyed, but you'll hear our full review

3:23KT: of The Boys. This recently came out at the end of July, so it was a couple of weeks ago, and it fit in quite nicely with the San Diego Comic Con as well. And there was a Comic Con panel with my lady love that flutters every nether regions, including mine, Aisha Tyler. I found it somewhere on YouTube. You should definitely check it out as well especially if you enjoy

3:23Oti: You have a lot of lady loves. Last week, it was just Lucy Lawless, mate.

3:23KT: Not just Lucy Lawless. And I actually

3:51KT: actually have a way to talk about her again and it is related to the boys.

3:51Oti: Oh, dear.

3:57Oti: Brace us off, folks.

3:59KT: Just like last week, guys, strap in or strap on because we are going to get into this series. So like I mentioned, this is from Amazon. It came out recently at the end of July. It's a cute eight episodes. In some cases, is quite onerous and the pacing is an issue. But let's get into the cast. Mhmm.

4:19KT: There is quite an expansive cast. We also have our Hollywood darling Elisabeth Shue who plays Stillwell and how dare you guys because she's not in the first three. So I just wanted to give her a shout out before I read the first three on IMDb. We have someone new that I've recently added to my trophy case of stans, Karl Urban Yeah. He's amazing. Playing Billy Butcher. And we will go through as many characters as possible, and you're darn sure we're definitely going to talk about The Butcher.

4:50KT: We also have Jack Quaid played by who is playing Hughie Campbell. Funnily enough, he is the product of Meg Ryan's orgasm and also Dennis Quaid. You can see it. You can see some Meg Ryan eyes on him. Yeah. But not the Dennis Quaid manliness.

5:07Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Took more from the mother.

5:12KT: I think he was created right at the crescendo of orgasm. That's really that's that was his origin story if you will. And then we have our deliciously evil Homelander played by Antony Starr, which I do wanna bring up, but I will I'll bring it up more in first impressions. So there's the cast. Feel free to scroll IMDb if you do want a full breakdown. Quite an expansive cast, and feel free to do a shot if you've got a For Your Reference drinking game because I say an expansive cast all the time.

5:44KT: But let's get into it. Let's get into first impressions. I already mentioned we never really came across the comic, but to satiate you guys, we actually read the first volume. Yes. We have. Oh, boy. So we'll talk about that as well. And I also wanna dive into if we've come across any of these actors before. So let's first of all pat ourselves on the back. Feels For reading the comic. It feels very sensual because we're patting each other right now. In regards to the comic, let's just get everything

6:15KT: out in the open and all of our first impressions because I don't want us to be like pulling our glasses up like, oh, this didn't happen in the comic.

6:24Oti: That's not how it Stay true to the source material.

6:28KT: That's not how it unfolded if you'll pardon the reference. So let's just get that all out now.

6:35Oti: So it does not follow the comic at all? Yeah. There was a lot that was left out in the core narrative of volume one that was not covered in the show. Yep. They've they've taken liberties with this which is good because people who've read the comic, you shouldn't really just watch what they've read. Like, it needs to be different.

6:54KT: Yeah. But also, people were in a conflict and people had qualms.

7:04Oti: What qualms were All I heard

7:07KT: again, spoilers spoilers spoilers. All I heard about in regards to the show was dicks, dicks, dicks, dicks, swinging dicks, all the dicks everywhere. Either you guys have lived a sheltered childhood or you just don't you just don't understand what an, you know, pending good time is. Yeah. Because I counted one bare dick we've seen. From Translucent.

7:31Oti: Yeah. I think that's the only dick we saw. In that eight episodes and we don't even know whether that was his real dick or not. Yeah. You'd be shocked if you watched Oz because there are dicks flying all over the camera, all over the scene. Adebisi. Biggest dick.

7:47KT: In every sense of the word. Pretty much. Right? So for all and what I'm also thinking is the demographic for the boys is, you know, guys in their 20, maybe even forties and maybe one dick equates to a 100 dicks?

8:06Oti: Yeah. Because you're used to seeing boobies on telly all the time and then you see a dick and it feels like you've watched it for a lifetime.

8:13KT: And now you know how females feel. Your one dick is the equivalent of a 100 unwelcome dicks, guys. So to yourself. I don't think we saw any titties. Though we did get some some Oedipus, some delicious Oedipus moments, which we will get Yeah. Some really Bilquis moments in this as well. That's an American Gods reference. Guys, you're most welcome. So specifically in regards to the comic, I was quite disappointed. So again, we watched the series before we read the first volume, and the first volume is quite delicious in its vulgar, you know, sort of

8:50KT: setting that it had. Yes. How gratuitous. And I always say that things aren't really gratuitous, but the comic is deliciously gratuitous. So I was very disappointed that this was the source material and the output was the series because it was quite clean. Yes, it seems it seems quite filtered

9:09Oti: and reading the comics you're like it it goes from punch to punch to punch and it's quite lovely to read. It's short the first volume was like what a 140 pages you run through it quite quickly and it tells the story straight on without any sort of feeler

9:27KT: and it's amazing. Yeah. Like when Butcher was raw dogging the director, we saw the beauty and the nuance with Terror watching in the background. Just so you guys know, Terror is Butcher's dog. That doesn't get referenced or It's shown once or twice. No. It's not. Hughie asks if he has a dog because there are dog toys in the back of his car. And he's like, no, I don't. And it's it's supposed to be a joke because people that read the comic know. No. He has a dog and walks with it everywhere he goes. So

9:59KT: because we need to talk about other things and not the body parts we were hoping to see in the series, it was quite sanitized and I will use that word because you have Marvel

10:09KT: which is already PG. So if you wanna sanitize things, go and watch that. Yeah. Marvel and DC quite sanitized. Just do something different. And what I don't understand is there are shows that are way more sexual than this unless they're trying to get like mass appeal but that's what makes the comic so good. Trying to lower that rating so as a lot of people can watch it. Because we started we started diving into volume two and we came across Tek Knight.

10:36KT: I don't know if we maybe it might have even been in passing where they mentioned Tek Knight but he is he is fucking delicious. And I hope I hope I hope we see him in future seasons. I really hope they bring that character in because he's amazing. I'm not sure if you guys know, but they've actually started filming. I think they've actually wrapped up the first episode of season two. They filmed the first episode. Just so you know in regards to that. But anything else about the comic you wanna mention? Simon Pegg.

11:05Oti: Yes, please. I'll take another slice. Thank you. And the father brought him in into the actual show

11:10KT: albeit it being hit the father. Because he was so old Yeah. By the time he became Hughie. And I also wanna say, I feel like the Amazon series as a whole just really simplified the whole comic. And I don't know why. Like, if you guys didn't know, Hughie's character actually is from Scotland. Yep. So he had the girlfriend. The girlfriend died, but he was actually in Scotland

11:35KT: when that actually happened. A-Train had been feuding with some other villain at the time, but he was in Scotland. But for some reason, they completely eliminated that. But in the comic

11:35Oti: That's America. I thought this was America.

11:50Oti: That's my best Randy Marsh. It's a South Park I don't take too kindly to people from Scotland around here.

11:59KT: If you guys ever want us to cover South Park, let us know. Usually, the series that go on for so long like South Park and Family Guy, I'm not sure if there's much aside from us shouting references. But if you are interested in us covering Colorado

12:14Oti: But yeah. It's it's it's crazy because he's from Scotland. Maybe it's because the the Scottish accent isn't really that suited for television. Simplify it is the point.

12:25KT: They just wanted to and we'll come to accents in a second. Karl Urban, I'm looking at you. We'll come to accents in a second, but I don't understand why they continually chose to simplify stuff. Again, we have talked about spoilers. So we are introduced to the Teenage Kix, I think is what they're called. But in the Amazon series, all we see is Popclaw. Yep. In the first volume, you actually have the whole team of the Teenage Kix. Right? Yep. I'm not going to say what happens to them or, you know, what unfolds,

12:56KT: but there's a whole richness that happens in the comic that you have in a bit hours, yet we get quite a thin story. So we'll talk about the series in a moment. Is there anything else you wanna mention about the comic? Oh,

13:11Oti: not particularly.

13:12KT: There were some little things as well. In the Amazon series, Frenchie took the fall for Mallory's kids grandkids being killed. Mhmm. But in the comic, it was actually Butcher. Oh, and the biggest one,

13:28Oti: it's not The Deep that sticks his dick into Starlight's mouth. Yeah. It's like Homelander.

13:36KT: And Black Noir and I think it was the alien guy. Yeah. And you know what? I think we've established that KT in the For Your Reference podcast is the deviant and not Oti Uh-huh. Except when you wanna be a fucking son, but that's a story for another day. Call me mommy one more time, which also relates to the boys, but we're not getting into that right now. I usually even just for jest, I will say things, sexual things, inappropriate things, but most of the time, it happens. When we started reading that comic

14:10KT: and Homelander was like, you need to suck it. And then Black Noir and I'm pretty sure the alien guy came along, I was like, they're all gonna drop trou, babe. And you're like, don't be ridiculous.

14:23Oti: And what happened? They all dropped trou.

14:26KT: And she got a taste of the seven because some of them pumped out way more than one.

14:34Oti: How do you know that? Don't worry about it.

14:40KT: But, yeah, there there were some intricacies that just didn't make sense and you didn't even mention the biggest biggest one. Homelander and Butcher knew each other from the start Yes. In the comic. But a lot of that exposition didn't happen until the second half of the first season Mhmm. Of The Boys. Yep. I think that's pretty much it for the comic. I think we've proved our nerdy geeky chops. Yeah. Please invite us to your secret society so we can be inducted appropriately. Mhmm. We will meet you in the middle of the solstice.

15:15KT: In regards to first impressions, I just wanna bring something up with you. So Karl Urban and Antony Starr are Kiwis. Yep. Yes. I didn't realize Antony Starr was because his American accent is so amazing and he looks so smug in his face. I didn't realize that he was Kiwi until I started watching interviews. Right? So he was in Outrageous Fortune which is a New Zealand series which I don't expect you to know about. No. But he's also in

15:45KT: Banshee and I feel like he had short series. Let me just quickly pull you up a picture. He's not blonde. He's actually brunette in Naturally, I guess. So let me just show you a photo because I feel like you've watched Banshee. So surely you would know who he is. What the fuck? It's Hood. What? He's the main guy in Banshee. And you didn't realize that was him watching No. I did not. Okay.

16:11Oti: Bloody hell. Alright. So I am really bad with names. I really don't even bother with the names in shows.

16:11KT: You don't know my name.

16:11Oti: But bloody hell. That's Hood. He's the main guy in Banshee. Oh, fuck. How did I not realize it's the same person?

16:29KT: I don't know. You told me to.

16:29Oti: Fuck sakes. Bloody hell. I need my eyes checked, but he he looks different.

16:29KT: Did he strike you as anything interesting

16:38KT: in Banshee at all?

16:38Oti: Yeah. He's amazing in Banshee.

16:42KT: Also, Karl Urban is the doctor from what I understand in the new Star Trek, but we we we're still breaking ourselves in in the geeky culture so we haven't really consumed Star Trek so that really didn't mean anything to us.

16:57Oti: Well, yeah.

16:58KT: Well, not yet. In regards to that right? So let's get into it. Is there anything you want anything else you want to say in regards to first impressions?

17:07Oti: I'm just shocked that he's actually Sheriff Hood. I feel ashamed.

17:13KT: You should feel ashamed for more things, more detrimental things that are more personal to yourself.

17:13Oti: Get over Xena, no one even watches us.

17:13KT: Actually yes, thank you so much, thank you for bringing that up. Our best friend, Karl Urban, Billy Butcher. And I feel like they called him butcher because he was butchering all accents. But aside from that, Karl Urban was actually in Xena: Warrior Princess motherfucker.

17:40Oti: Oh, was he now?

17:42KT: Please listen to our Spartacus episode. Every second, there's a dying KT out there because because Oti hasn't watched Xena but apparently he vividly remembers Hercules. Yeah. So please contribute to our nonexistent Patreon to fix the imbalance.

18:05Oti: I guess all the best shows just cross the ocean then.

18:05KT: You need to fuck off.

18:11KT: You need to fuck off right there. And one more thing about The Deep in regards to the comics because he didn't do that. Right? No. He didn't. And it became the crux of a Me Too sort of movement, and it made him unlikable.

18:24Oti: How do you how do you like it it's it's hard to come from that. Yeah. It is. You want to feel sorry for him but then he fucking raped someone. How do you deal with that? Well, but yes. No. It's just ridiculous because he there's you don't redeem that. There's no coming back. There's no coming back from that. Like, the the thought process

18:45Oti: for you to take advantage of someone,

18:48Oti: it just it doesn't gel well. Yeah. So you see him get into this where he's being banished out of the team but they're playing sad music and they're supposed to reason it with him but

18:48KT: Unless unless Chace Crawford

19:01KT: demanded more scenes possibly. But then again, and we will come to the actual series, I do feel like they try to keep Homelander as squeaky clean as possible. So it became such a big twist. Right? But first at first, when Chace Crawford did drop trou, I did get pissed off because I'm like, what? Do you think you're better than everyone that you don't need to show us your dick? Like, do you think you're big money just because you were on The O.C.?

19:30Oti: Gossip Girl? Come on now. I guess you're revealing more of Chace Crawford too. Wow.

19:36KT: But now I'm understanding it's because he has weird genitals and a weird sort of body. Yeah. He has gills. Yeah and even when we were watching in the later episodes I thought that we saw him shirtless but you were saying we just saw the back of him. Yeah we just saw his back and his arms. Which would make sense but I guess I by default thought that we saw it because Yeah. You pretty much turned him around and saw his dick in the process you barbot.

20:03Oti: You don't

20:04KT: don't need to tell the people how we keep our love life alive. Okay? Our love life is more like the comic, not the TV show. Let's just let's just say that. Okay. Let's dive into characters. I know you probably don't want to, but we should probably start off with Hughie. Okay. Right? That that killed all of the boners. You can do it. You start.

20:32Oti: He is introduced oh, far out. He's talking to his girlfriend in the street and she gets smashed through by A-Train and that's how, you know, his reaction to things and you can tell by his interaction with his dad that he's sort of laid back. He doesn't like confrontation. Oh, one thing that was different also in the comic, I know we said we wouldn't bring it up.

20:32KT: Or it's he's like pushing his glasses up right now.

20:32Oti: But the fact that he actually signed the paper

21:04Oti: in the comics and he didn't sign it in the show, so that's one major difference. But it just goes to show you the character of Hughie. He doesn't like confrontation. He's this chill laid back guy who just goes along with the flow. He had posters of all the superheroes growing up. So your everyday Joe pretty much. But the comic version wasn't a punk ass bitch. No. He wasn't a punk ass bitch because he looked like fucking Simon Pegg. Right? Yeah. You can't be a bitch if you're a Pegg.

21:34KT: But can I just say Simon Pegg does have an impeccable American accent so I don't wanna give accolades there but he has a fucking British face? You can spot you can spot that angst from a mile away.

21:51Oti: Yeah. He he he does look super British.

21:56KT: Don't think I didn't notice that you just glossed over Hughie without giving a proper feeling, I will do it. Oh, go for it. Because I'm brave. Oh, you sure are. Hughie is a fucking issue. Okay? Not a good issue like the next installment of the boys comic, an issue as in something we need to cancel. Okay? So I'll be starting your petition. Please join me. Not Dennis Quaid. Baby Quaid, that's what I'm going to call him cause he's literally a baby through the whole series. Baby Quaid is a problem. He's an issue. I personally

22:36KT: get really tired of characters that go back and forth and back and forth of accepting what their world is and what their role in that world is. It took four fucking episodes for Hughie to finally accept, okay, there are Supes and they're evil and they, you know, they succumb to greed like the rest of us and maybe they're not the greatest people that I grew up to idolize and my role is to take them motherfuckers down.

23:09KT: And he took too long to get to that point. Especially when you have a series that is only eight episodes, I found the pacing to be a problem. Yeah. And Hughie was at the crux of that. And I didn't realize that until they started branching out into character development of other characters, which happened, like, within episode four and then later on throughout the series. I just I I take qualms with whiny, annoying characters because you can be that like Frodo in Lord of the Rings. Oh, shit.

23:46KT: But you need to have Sam by your side.

23:50Oti: Fuck sakes, man. Yeah. Let's just I wouldn't even go to Not today? Not Not today, Satan. Yeah. Not today, Satan.

23:58KT: But, you know, you can have characters that go through an inner conflict and they're not really sure where to go or, you know, the morality of actually killing someone. Right? But it doesn't need to be that onerous.

24:14Oti: No. It doesn't. But then again, he doesn't stay a bitch the whole season.

24:18KT: But I'm saying, like, it was really I was literally Die Hard, another reference. When Bruce Willis is, like, crawling through the glass and he's getting hurt and all his feet have fucking glass in it, that's how I felt trying to get through the first four episodes because everyone was like, that's how I imagine a guy jacking off. Fucking Sploosh Mountain. This is the best this is the best show to ever exist. If it was fucking the comic

24:47KT: coming to life, then yes. But the series that we were watching was really fucking slow, and that is disrespectful and it's irresponsible. And Seth Rogen, I will fight you in the car park because that was wrong and we know Seth Rogen. When do you ever hear Seth Rogen and restraint in the same sentence? Come on now. Garth Ennis and also Seth Rogen came together for The Preacher which you've watched. Yep. I feel like I also watched The Preacher but I gave up. Yeah. He gave up within the past ten minutes or something so

25:19KT: That that's pretty much indicative of everything.

25:22Oti: Yeah. Well, it's it's a good show. We just need to stick with it and same goes for The Boys. Like

25:27KT: No. But to be perfectly honest, we were getting pissed off because the show wasn't that great to start off with. No. And what I don't understand is the source material was so rich. Again, I'm I'm pulling up my nonexistent glasses. This the the first volume alone

25:46Oti: of what did you you found out there's like 72 volumes? No. 72 issues and then I think the issues are yeah.

25:53KT: Irregardless, semantics, my friend. There's so much richness in that first comic that does not even get covered in the first series. And I really don't understand why it was done that way. Feel free to come on the For Your Reference podcast because I don't understand why they spend so much of the agonizing and whining in the first four episodes of, my

26:19KT: girlfriend's dead. I killed someone by a detonator, by the way. If you're in a world where you realize the Supes are evil and you kill someone by a detonator not by your own fucking hands then get the fuck over it and let's move on.

26:19Oti: Well then again it was pretty brutal. A detonator up your ass

26:34Oti: and the splatter alone like it scars you doesn't it? But we are fallible creatures

26:41KT: my friend, my lover,

26:43Oti: my everything. Oh, wow. What is that again? Do you're sullen beyond song?

26:48KT: An unearthed Luther Vandross demo single. That's what it is. Alright. No. But it is like because pressing a detonator is different to the comic where you actually just find that guy and impaled him. Yeah. Right? It's different. And it's just like I don't know. Again, my foundational sort of qualm is accept the world that you're in. Accept the role that you're going to play, and let's move on.

27:17KT: Yeah. There is way too much exposition. There was so much interesting features that could have been highlighted in this series instead of just focusing on Hughie and his fucking love interest, Starlight.

27:28Oti: Yeah. That was a bit weird. But anyway, it's it's like I think it they're trying to balance their character out. Like, the comic is great but that doesn't necessarily turn into great TV.

27:40KT: I don't think so anyway. You can if you control c and control v.

27:46Oti: You need to shift delete on this. No. You just need to, like, build up the background characters a bit more. And what they did with Hughie is not good. They changed him a bit too much. But at the end of it, at least we can see that Hughie does show some signs of redemption.

28:03KT: I'm done with Hughie. Do you want to say anything else about him?

28:08Oti: No at least he went back to rescue Butch's friend that's Frenchie and Mother's Milk which is amazing.

28:16KT: I'm sorry. I laugh every time I hear that character's name. But okay. Do you wanna say anything else about Okay. Let's move on to Billy Butcher, Karl Urban.

28:30Oti: He bloody makes the show.

28:32KT: Butcher and Homelander make this fucking show for me. They make the show. They were the deities that I was lighting my candles to and saying all my prayers to to continue this series. Yeah. That's it. Do we end the episode? There's literally nothing else to say. I will go so far to say and it's not that exuberant because everyone is saying it, Karl Urban just butchered it. I don't know where he got that fucking accent. On the best of days, it was Cockney. And I don't even because in the comics,

29:08KT: I'm point I'm picking up my nonexistent glasses again. He was supposed to sound like Michael Caine who plays Alfred Mhmm. In the Dark Knight series. Yep. Right? You I'm gonna leave you on a try because I was going to go into Jason Statham, but that's different. That's a different accent. That's a different franchise and we're not getting into that today. But you know what? If you can't do an accent

29:35KT: and I know it's cancel culture, but if you can't do an accent, just be like Liam Neeson and be like fuck it and give up halfway.

29:43Oti: Liam Neeson doesn't even try. His Irish is all through everything. Yeah.

29:47KT: And then he ends up in Dublin for the last half of the every movie that he does. Right? But just do that because the Kiwi accent is enough. It's unique enough to get away with noticing that it's not a British accent. Who cares? But his accent is enough to bring that motherfuck and that cocksucker into the show.

29:47Oti: Well, maybe I didn't get it because I didn't find an issue with his accent. Like, then I didn't context is everything.

30:15Oti: Yeah. I found him okay.

30:15KT: I really loved his character and within those four episodes that we struggled watching, he was a redeeming light. Like, you kept watching just because he lights up every scene. He commands such a big presence and he's everything in this. And he's he's very new to my trophy case of stans.

30:35KT: I see him as a high functioning alcoholic that I just bathe in his gloriousness. Other examples, McNulty from The Wire, Dominic West, and also Al Swearengen, our Ian McShane, who we fucking love, our ever eternal. Right? Karl Urban is up there with in regards to that sort of gritty, filthy character. So we've already talked about the accent. We've besmirched him far enough, but let's talk about everything we love about his butcher character.

31:10KT: So You actually got pissed off near the end of the season.

31:10Oti: Because he's a fucking dick.

31:10KT: I know he's a dick. Right. You have to get on or get off. I get that. I got on.

31:10Oti: But when he was talking to him about rescuing his friends, he he should have gone to that. He he put his he he put himself above the boys. Yeah. Even when when even when going to the director,

31:35KT: I think it's deputy director in in this. Yeah. It was pretty much all the needs were met except for Except for Homelander's head. Yeah. On a silver platter.

31:44Oti: And he he pretended as if, nah, man. I can't do this. Not enough. Not enough. And then not until everyone of the boys was backed into a corner and they couldn't do shit, that's when he calls the deputy director. And then when they're caught, he's like fuck it, let's go continue with our mission, let's go for Homelander.

32:04KT: I don't know but once we once we started to uncover his origin story and how from his point of view, because that's not actually the truth, but from his point of view that his wife disappeared, I fell for him. And I'm like, let's go on a bloody path of rampage.

32:21KT: I'm right there with you, brother. We are going to burn all the shit to the motherfucking ground. I was motherfucking there with him.

32:21Oti: I was there with him until he chose to prioritize himself over everyone else.

32:21KT: Yeah but we're not talking about Colin at at your local bank branch Right? This is Butcher inside of a comic book series, is now an Amazon series. So if he wants to go on a rampage, let's join him. He can go on a rampage for all he wants.

32:48Oti: But then again, the way they ended the first season, I was bloody hell. You fucking deserve that, mate. We're not gonna get into particulars but that's not how it happened in the comic. Yes. It's not how it happened. Some yeah. So this is a

33:02KT: storyline that will feed into the second season that didn't even happen and is of no material in the comic book series. The same as Stillwell's character and also the director, they were both men Yep. In the comic. Hence, the boys. Because I was wondering why they called it the boys because there were so many women Yeah. In this series. How does that even make sense? Right? But anything else? Anything else you wanna mention about Butcher?

33:30Oti: No. I think he I I liked how it ended. I felt like he dissolved that shit. Wow. I'm I'm really eager to see how that how that develops in the second season and how the dynamic between him and the boys would change if it does because I think it would put now Hughie on a higher pedestal because fucking came back to rescue him.

33:30KT: Hang on. No. No. No. Because when he came back to rescue Frenchie

33:54KT: and Mother's Milk, Frenchie made a quip at him being like, oh, that's so beautiful. You came here without a plan. You sacrificed your whole life to come back without a plan. They as far as I could see, Mother's Milk and Frenchie didn't really mind

33:54Oti: They didn't until until you find out the reason why Butcher wasn't there.

33:54KT: But what good am I to you if I just sacrifice myself into the barracks with you when I could be laying out some plans outside?

34:24Oti: If you're laying out plans to rescue me, fine. If it's not, fuck you, mate.

34:29KT: I don't know. Karl Urban and this has to do with his actual acting. He had a vulnerability to him. So yes, he was harsh and it was all about motherfucks and cocksucks which I'm all about.

34:43Oti: Oh, what about when the scene when Hughie called out Butcher?

34:48KT: No. That was wrong.

34:50Oti: No. That was that was wrong. I was That was wrong. Half expecting Butcher to take Hughie's head off.

34:56KT: No. But can I just say, again, I've said punk ass bitch, and I'm going to directly correlate it to Hughie's character? What kind of human I'm not even gonna say a man because that's toxic masculinity, and we're not about that in 2019. But what kind of person says the most hurtful thing, the most vulnerable thing that has been shared with you and throw it back in someone's face? Pretty much everyone. He can fuck right off.

35:26Oti: Yeah. I I did not expect him to survive that.

35:29KT: Yeah. But Butcher has a mission. He's like a bloodhound.

35:34Oti: He is like a bloodhound but then again I'm happy how everything unveiled itself at the end because I was like even though I like him.

35:45KT: Right? But Karl Urban, all the accolades aside from vocal accent accolades to you, and I hope to continue to see you in possibly less nerdy things because apparently he's been around for a while but we he just didn't hit our radar. Yeah. I've had people wanting him to be Wolverine. I'm like, bitch now. Don't take that role. It's old man Logan motherfucker. Get it right. And

36:13Oti: yes, he could definitely play that. He could be Wolverine but I'm

36:17Oti: done with this X-Men nonsense for now.

36:17KT: And you actually touch upon a good point because everyone is sick of the superhero franchise which I think works quite well for the boys. Yeah. Personally, I was already at the end of my rope in regards to watching superhero shit. So the fact that the first four episodes was a punishment for me to have to get through to get to the last four episodes of this series. I will never forget it But

36:45Oti: Ruby Rose is Batwoman in the CW show.

36:50KT: I don't think it's started yet but will you watch that?

36:50Oti: Yeah. Just so I can see you as an extra in the background jerking off to her.

36:50KT: Fucking hell. Oh, that's a nice come up. Listen to our John Wick episode. Not for Ruby Rose, just to talk about John Wick. Are you done? Yeah. I'm done.

37:08KT: You just did that to antagonize you.

37:08Oti: I did. I did and it worked quite well. I wish we were videoing this so you can see her reaction. It's priceless.

37:16KT: The difference with Homelander is he has a charm to him when he says shitty things. I just feel the full brunt of it right here, right now. So let's go into it. Let's actually talk about Homelander.

37:31Oti: I imagined him being this nice bloke. No.

37:36KT: You didn't. He had a look to him. He had a look he looks bloody evil. I literally just showed you a picture of him with brunette like dark brown hair. Right? He literally looks like he's about to come over on Sunday for your family picnic or barbecue.

37:52Oti: Right? Yeah. And the fact that he's Hood again then just

37:56KT: He's he is very rare. I don't think I've ever seen someone with blonde hair and they immediately look like the spawn of the devil.

38:06Oti: Yeah. Actually, yeah. Looks he looks fucking evil. Yeah. He's not Ken Bobby doll or some shit like that. He's he's

38:14KT: bloody hell. He looks super evil. And actually something to mention in regards, I think they call it grading, like the way that they color the series. Everything looked green and everyone looked like they had crusty skin and I don't think that's fair. That's a discredit to Antony Starr, also Elisabeth Shue in particular. Both of them look quite crusty.

38:34Oti: I think it's more more stylistic thing, which I didn't really mind.

38:38KT: I think it was okay, but I think, you know, they put it on too heavy and then they went for lunch. And then they completely forgot about the color grading that was going on. But let's talk about Homelander because, hopefully, if you're still listening, you've watched the whole series. And when we come to the end of it, there was actually, like, a teaser sort of trailer for season two where you see a little baby Homelander Mhmm. With Carmine from Gotham or Rawls from The Wire Mhmm. Heading up a experiment.

39:11KT: He is I'm pretty sure he's the first iteration of injecting humans with it, with Compound V. He's either the first or one of the first. Right?

39:22Oti: So he didn't grow up in a family, he was built in a lab and he was taught any sort of human empathy through the lab. Now what's different is from Homelander and all the other superheroes is that he was brought up in the lab while the others were just injected with Compound V while they're babies and they got to stay with their parents. Yeah. So he

39:43KT: he's bitter and he doesn't have any sort of innate human emotion it's all fabricated.

39:51Oti: Yeah and it paints a picture of how he responds to the Vought director not the director. Stillwell. Stillwell. It's just creepy but understandable.

40:03KT: Call me mommy one more time. Let's talk about the plane with Queen Maeve.

40:10Oti: I think that's the moment Oh You? Yeah. That's the moment we realized

40:15KT: Homelander is bloody evil. If you didn't pick up on the little breadcrumbs along the way, this definitely

40:22Oti: confirmed for you that he was a fucking deviant. Yeah. I did not pick up on anything evil from him like Mhmm. I got the sense that people feed him and I thought this is merely because he's the most powerful of them all. But then for that plane scene and the decisions he made, wow. He was coming up with some really wafty

40:43KT: sort of excuses.

40:44Oti: And he's so he's such a good spin doctor like bloody hell he could tongue

40:50KT: What's a spin doctor for all the listeners?

40:54Oti: It's just someone who can he can polish a tard into gold.

40:58KT: Is that a your phrase or mine? Yep. Oti edition? Yep. He could have he definitely could have saved that plane but he chose not to because he was being strategic and he was being political about trying to align the Supes in a sense that they would be able to be present in war and we later come to find out in the later episodes that we thought it was Stillwell all along injecting all of these super terrorists

41:30KT: as I like to call it. But it was Homelander all along. And apparently, whether you wanna believe it or not, Stillwell had no idea about it. Which is insane.

41:39Oti: I I thought she was behind all of this. Right. But the fact that she was naive to what's happening in her own organization or at least in her own division that she she's leading is quite unspectacular.

41:53KT: Because I think at the end of the day even though she goes much further than any of our morality will allow us to go she does have a limit and Homelander just takes that and he runs with it And we don't realize that until later on in the series where we see Carmine or Rawls literally treat him very coldly saying I don't like to attach myself to my subjects.

42:18Oti: Yeah. And then we see that as well when we have Butcher holding Stillwell captive and then Stillwell finally admitting that she's actually scared of Homelander.

42:31KT: Yeah because Butcher's like oh I got the ace up my sleeve. Yeah I got the ace I'm gonna make Homelander dance and I'm gonna right say now Oti deserves an Oscar for replicating five different accents just like Karl Urban. That's what you were trying to do. Right?

42:53Oti: No. It's not. That was your British accent? I'll take the win whenever I can.

42:58KT: That's a motto for life, my friends. Yep. Fake it till you make it. Well, we learned so much about Homelander and I don't know. It it feels more flat. It feels like a soda that's been sitting in your fridge for weeks. And you think it's going to taste exactly the same as when you first opened it and it's not because the comic is vibrant and vivacious and unapologetic in its salaciousness. And this series is actually quite flat. Even the subplots that they have

43:29KT: all kind of branch off the main foundational plot. They don't have standalone, you know, sort of arcs that you can explore like the comic. Again, a no no topic because we said we're going to stop talking about it. But really, you can't help but compare the comparisons. And if you have read, you know, way more volumes of the comic than we have, please feel free to share how you felt watching the series having that context and that knowledge. We would love to know that. Yeah. We definitely

44:00Oti: would.

44:01KT: But the series does end on Homelander saving Butch's character. We don't know why and we don't know for

44:01Oti: No. We know why. Just to show him

44:01KT: Well, we know now. Yeah. But we didn't know at the time because he was just coming to Butcher. Right? And then we realized that it's definitely Homelander's son because he's got that red laser sort of eye. Yep. Right? And we see the wife character.

44:29Oti: She's just a shitty wife man regardless of what happened

44:33KT: Let's leave it. Cool. You can you can write your subreddit post later. We are not getting into that today. Are there any you get to choose. And I I am always wary of this because whenever I let you choose, you always take us on some boring or some tangent that I never want to go down but yes continue.

44:55Oti: I'll go with Starlight.

44:55KT: Boo.

44:55Oti: She's a big character in this not to talk about her.

44:55KT: You go then.

45:06KT: I don't want to talk about it.

45:06Oti: So she has this naivety about her that she sees the world-

45:06KT: I think that what they say is she's midwestern.

45:16Oti: Did you just equate midwestern with naivety?

45:19KT: No. Like, I don't know where she's from. She's from the 0. One of those like sort of states that it's mostly white people and they're very Christian.

45:29Oti: Yeah. Yeah. So Her backgrounds, she's naive. What she's told and what she sees is what she believes and that can apply to a lot of us. Right? Mhmm. And the fact that she got to be part of The Seven and everything just unfold before her eyes to see how everything worked, how everything was pretty much a story by the marketing department just just showed her how crap the world is. Boohoo. Welcome to the real world, bitch.

46:03KT: Do you think everything is covered in cotton candy? No, motherfucker. People hurt and people bleed. She wanted to believe in the good in people. Ah, man. Even when she went to that fair, she was like, oh, because when she saw how aggressively against the church was in regards to homosexuality, she was like, oh, I never remembered it being like this. Yeah, bitch. You were part of the cult. Yeah. I'm done. I'm not stupid fucking Starlight. Because really, you know, even in the interviews, we have

46:38KT: Erin Moriarty who plays Annie January or Starlight talking about, oh, I'm so sick of these women being side characters and Starlight's really at the front of it. No, motherfucker. You are a fucking plot device for Hughie.

46:51KT: Fuck off.

46:51Oti: No. She she's gonna have a bigger role to play in this show. The fact that Vought doesn't know that she's aligned herself with Hughie, she can play both sides quite well in favor of the boys.

46:51KT: Okay. So let's get real and let's get deep. Not the character, The Deep, but let's get deep for a second. If you wanna make material change, there are two ways you can do it. You can you can be grassroots and you can protest and you can be out in the streets Yeah. Or you can change it within the system. Mhmm. Right?

47:21KT: Starlight felt like she kind of wanted to change things but she was kind of whining 80% of the time but she didn't fucking leave.

47:27Oti: Because her world is shocked she just found out that The Seven is just this big marketing gimmick. They all care about the profits and she wanted actually to be a superhero.

47:27KT: So what? We all grow up to realize our

47:27Oti: It's a shock to the system.

47:44KT: But we all grow up to realize that our parents who we think were perfect and without blemish were actually motherfucking human, and they were scrambling at every sense and every step of the way. She needs to fucking grow up. I'm sick of it. Is there anything else you wanna say? Because I'm moving on. There's nothing else I wanna say about the stupid fucking side character.

48:05KT: She needs to realize she's coleslaw and she's not the two piece feed. Okay?

48:05Oti: Alright, mate. I'm hungry. Put your KFC coleslaw slide and let's move to another character then. Who do you wanna go with?

48:17KT: I actually want to I wanna talk about Frenchie and I wanted to talk about Mother's Milk. Mhmm. So let's talk about Frenchie first of all. Yep. We are introduced to him as a weapons sort of dealer. I think that's the best way to describe him. He had some sort of bad blood with Butcher, but then they come together for the job because Butcher gives him no choice. He shows him the body in the trunk of Translucent and you kind of need to be with it. Yep. Frenchie is also the one that discovered

48:48KT: the way to destroy Translucent Mhmm. As well. He's smart but he's also a romantic at heart Yep. Which was quite nice. I really enjoyed having him in the series until it was actually confirmed that Homelander was evil. I actually enjoyed having Frenchie in the show. Yeah. Frenchie is amazing. But he has some issues that he needs to resolve within himself. Yes. His humanity helped him save the female who proves to be a valuable asset and will continue to be a valuable asset for the team. Mhmm. However, not in the comic, but in the series,

49:27KT: we found out that his sense of humanity was mistrusted and that caused for Mallory's grandchildren to die Yep. And botched the whole operation. Mhmm. Right? So he needs to pull his motherfucking head in. Yeah. But this is different. I think he But he kept he kept having weaknesses, and you can't have that. There's a reason why again, feel free to recruit me, But there's a reason why spies have no family, no ties, no sort of leverage. Right? You kind of need to be a blank canvas. Otherwise, that will get exploited.

50:04KT: And in times of ransom and in times of, you know you know, just gaining the upper hand that will be used against you.

50:12Oti: Yeah. But at the end of the day, the boys aren't Supes, they're humans. So Frenchie has a pass in my book just because he saw in I think they refer to us the animal like No. The female.

50:26KT: I think that's just a Freudian slip my friend. Actually, yeah. The animal if you're nasty. Yeah.

50:33Oti: Why did I get that from anyway? So You're you're subconscious motherfucker. So we have Frenchie taking an interest in the female Mhmm. Just because of how he grew up and this is where context becomes everything again. Yep. So he resonates with her and her situation and she he goes above and beyond to try and help her be part of the team or at least rescue her. And the fact that when she was battling Black Noir

51:09Oti: and Frenchie didn't run away completely and came back when she was all bleeding on the ground tells you everything you need to know about Frenchie.

51:17KT: No. I I do appreciate that romantic side of him but when you're in this line of work, any sort of vulnerabilities you have is a motherfucking liability and that's all Zhamsin saying. Speaking of, having a family is also a liability in this line of work. So let's talk about Laz Alonso whose character Mother's Milk. I don't know why because they said it all the time. But for some reason, I didn't believe that was his name. It's a viral trend coming out of Kenya. I'll put it in the show notes.

52:00Oti: It's crazy because they try as hard as possible not to say Mother's Milk every time and they just shorten it to It's quite distracting and every time you hear Mother's Milk, you're like, what the fuck?

52:12KT: But I feel like is phonetically what you'll be doing. Yeah. But his his character is like his name is very nurturing.

52:22KT: He kind of looks after the team. And in interviews, Laz Alonso was also talking about, you know, he doesn't want to be, but because he is arguably the character with the most to lose, he kind of becomes the moral compass of the group. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, he needs to go back home. Mhmm. And he needs to look after his own. And can I just say his wife ain't motherfucking shit? Whether however she feels because as far as we understand, the and Butcher ex escapades

52:55KT: have been going on for a long time. Mhmm. And for whatever reason is probably because of Mallory's grandkids. Right? Mhmm. Because that all went awry. He was like, I'm hanging up the gloves. That's it. I'm done with this life. Yep. He gets pulled back in. Right? However you feel about this man, this could potentially be the last thing you ever say to him. And she says something to the effect of I don't ever wanna see you again.

53:24Oti: That was Yeah.

53:27KT: Really? I hope I hope she dies a non glorious death Oh wow. In season two if we ever have to see her again because that's wrong.

53:35Oti: It really is wrong. You don't say that especially at that moment. Yeah. With a kid behind there, she probably didn't hear it but still. Okay. Deal with your demons my friends. Then again you knew the man you're getting on with. You knew him. Okay. Stop pretending as if you got into this to change him. Okay, Terrence Howard. No. I'm just saying, you know someone, you get in with them, and then you get shocked that they're doing the same thing you fucking knew them from? Come on now. Or sometimes

54:06KT: you know who they are and your sense of life slowly loses out every single day and you just bear that motherfucking cross

54:16Oti: until And you will bear that cross forever.

54:22KT: I was trying to send out a Morse code.

54:25Oti: You're welcome. I caught onto it. I fucking love Mother's Milk though. Yeah. He's he's good. He's he's the more parental person in in the whole the boys group and he worries about everything else because he's the only one with something to lose if everything goes awry.

54:42KT: Thanks I didn't realize I sounded that sexy

54:45Oti: You're welcome. Two minutes ago. Just thought I'd say it properly.

54:49KT: Oh we are not covering mansplaining or manspreading today.

54:51Oti: Oh that's another superhero in the boys mate.

54:58KT: Let me guess spoiler alert he also drops trou?

55:01Oti: Yep he does.

55:03KT: Do you want to talk about Queen Maeve?

55:03Oti: Nope. She's so fucking forgettable.

55:03KT: She is forgettable, she's annoying. In the comics she is more rude than she is too. Yeah. She they they made a bit calmer in. She's sorta like to shut the fuck up the first But I feel like I would say that the first time I met Starlight. Oh, wow. Shut the fuck up.

55:24Oti: Yeah. But I think the thing is with her, she doesn't like Starlight or not like like but she finds issue with Starlight just because Starlight is what she wanted to be. Starlight managed to speak out, Starlight managed to try and fight the system where I think she just went along with everything. She just accepted it. She took that dick and sucked it without complaints. But so did Starlight. But Starlight said something about it. True true true. She got deep ostracized from society because of it. Yeah.

55:57KT: But it may have just went along with it because it's part of the seven and what you do you know. But she's dumb because when her lady lover came along which as far as we can establish in the timeline which is another buzzword that people love to hear. She was with this lady love and then she cheated on her to be with Homelander. Yeah. That's that's as far as we can establish. But when her lady love and I'm so sorry I don't know your name, when she came to set,

56:28KT: why would Queen Maeve talk to her even if it's the heat of the moment because she still has the mics there, the cameras are still there. So you know that footage is going to come back Mhmm. Later on in season two unless people completely forgot about her, then it's not gonna come up at all. But she I guess she has the place of, like, Wonder Woman because the Seven is supposed to like reflect Yeah. Justice But I don't really I don't really have anything else to say about Queen Maeve to be honest.

56:57Oti: No. Neither do I.

56:59KT: Speaking about someone to not really say much about, A-Train. Oh, bloody hell. Played by Jessie T. Usher who was also Shaft. The recent Shaft, not Samuel Hall Samuel L. Jackson.

57:13Oti: As far as I'm aware, this recent Shaft didn't happen so I don't recognize him as Shaft.

57:20KT: Let's put it this way. Let's let's put it this way. The amount that we watched of Shaft is probably not recognized as Netflix as a watch. That's how quickly we stop the movie. What's the point? Yeah. What's the point? But how did you feel about the A-Train character?

57:43Oti: He's He's he's he's all about himself he wants to keep appearances on and the minute he didn't have his superpowers and he was treated like a normal black person in America

57:53KT: Mhmm. Shit go real. Oh yeah in the clothing store. Yeah

57:57Oti: Got him to go and inject himself with Compound V just to walk again and be A-Train once more. Yeah. Like he walks into his clothing store and he's treated as a black person and a guard follows him around every time and he tells him, oh, I'm A-Train. And the guard is like, yeah, and I'm Homelander. So you could see that they've tried to imprint this sort of societal issues that people are dealing with.

58:27KT: Yeah. But I think it's just like and without any sort of frame of reference, America specifically, when you talk about like, you know, athletes, like NFL athletes or, you know, NBA athletes, they're kind of treated as, like, godly. You know? Even if they do something wrong, there's a way to explain it or, you know, they get forgiven more than some Joe Blow off the street. Yeah. True. So this is just another added layer to the Supes.

59:00Oti: Yeah. And and the minute they he realized like it was actually in Adrian, his tune changed.

59:07KT: And let's let's let's just talk about this because he was a fiend for Compound V. Right? Yep. However, I I genuinely again, aside from having an addictive personality, I don't understand what it is to have substance abuse so I don't wanna be too Critical. Too critical about it. But I find it really hard to relate to the fact that he killed Popclaw who's apparently supposed to be the love of his life.

59:34Oti: Yeah.

59:35KT: The apparently they've known each other since high school. And I really brought it up just to see what you would think about that because you know I need to make some exit strategies otherwise.

59:41Oti: No it was more to cover up his mistake in using Compound V and the boys finding out

59:51KT: than the person you love is my point. Because you have to answer to Homelander.

59:56Oti: That's the issue right there. Everyone else is fearing and walking on eggshells because of Homelander. If Homelander finds out that he fucking knew everything and he has an affair with Popclaw who gave up their stash and their secrets, nah, that's not gonna fly. And we later find out that Homelander and A-Train were actually in on getting the super terrorists set up in in the world. Okay. So So it makes perfect sense. It was either Ayla

60:25Oti: it was either A-Train's ass or Popclaw. Either way, he had to deal with a mistake. Well, now I know.

60:32KT: In The Boys or in a dark Black Mirror world, we would not exist together because you would fuck it up. Listen to our Black Mirror episode. Listen to our Black Mirror episode. Hang the DJ is specifically what I'm referring to. Can I just talk about, like, costumes? It was weird to see them in their hero costumes everywhere, but I feel like A-Train really got the short end of the stick there. Why? I know that he's an athlete so it's supposed to look like activewear. Again,

61:06KT: I have no reference because I don't even try to move more than I have to. But I feel like it's literally him just wearing active wear and then some, like, plastic titties in the front of him. Like, what was that? Surely, there was a little bit in the budget. Seth Rogen, throw some dollars their way. You can spend all that money in animation for Sausage Party and you can't give him a fucking decent suit?

61:06Oti: No one had a decent suit in this to be fair.

61:06KT: No. I like Queen Maeve. Homelander

61:36KT: really displayed Antony Starr's thick thighs.

61:40Oti: And dick and abs and everything in between.

61:44KT: Not as good as yours though. I'm not sure how you would feel about wearing a Hawaiian shirt like Butcher though.

61:51Oti: No I think it's suited him like it's a it's it's it's more of a juxtaposition than anything else, isn't it?

61:56KT: Yeah. It it was a nice little brightening of the dark sort of underbelly that they were operating in. Let's talk about Elisabeth Shue playing Stillwell. I think she played that role quite well. She is the best example of someone that isn't a Supe but can be just as successful and to a fault be able to control them.

62:21Oti: Yeah. Because I feel like I I got her wrong pretty much the whole show Mhmm. Until I found out she pretty much didn't know anything about what's going on. But you gotta admire her ambition though. I do all my ambition and she does want she did climb that corporate ladder and she was gonna actually lead Vought.

62:40KT: But she also mentioned in a scene where she was talking to Starlight because Starlight wasn't pulling into line. She was mentioning, you know, did she grow up listening and reading these stories and apparently, Stillwell wrote them. And she was says essentially saying that this is all bullshit. Mhmm. Right? I fabricated the world that you fantasized in Yep. Pretty much. So that's quite admirable.

63:05Oti: It is admirable. Evil or not.

63:08KT: She was quite ambitious and she was and you know that's that's a really good foreshadowing. Whenever you see you know, especially an evil character and everything is going well for them, you know they're about to get cut. Yeah. They're going to die off. That sex scene with Homelander though. It wasn't really a sex scene though, was it? Oh, man. It was creepy. It was just essential. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. It was producing mother's milk from both of us. But she really feeds off on the gaps

63:44KT: that were missing Yeah. She really does. In Homelander's rearing.

63:47Oti: Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how season two would be without her in it because I felt like she really brought a lot in the first season and she brought this humanity sort of aspects to Vought and made everything kind of make sense so without her in there and Homelander probably taking the reins it'll be quite a sharp contrast to what was we've just seen. Yeah

64:15KT: let's also talk about Raynor who is the director for the CIA I think it is or the FBI come and fight us in our Twitter mentions but I'm pretty sure it's the CIA. First of all in the comic it was a man. Yep and in the comic it's she's

64:33Oti: or he's actually their director not deputy director.

64:36KT: Yeah. But let's talk about her character. I had a gripe with her. Yep. She's not even worthy of a qualm. I just have a gripe with her. Oh, what's up? What's up? I was kind of so when she had all the evidence, she got the sign off from Butcher. She had Stillwell in the room. She was gonna nail her. Yep. Right? Smuggy mix smug face Mhmm. Is what we'll call her. And then she gets called away and because of the Supe terrorists

65:04KT: that we definitely need to talk about, because of the Supe terrorists that was there and Homelander was the only person that was able to quench that, she had to pull back. Right? I like that. I like that moment because you know why? That Raynor lady did nothing. She did absolutely nothing. She took all the credit from Butcher. Not that Butcher wants to have it or needs it, but she took all of that and she was, you know, sitting there like, oh, I'm gonna nail you, lady. Nail your fucking self.

65:33KT: I don't know if it's just I'll need to check what the ratio is in regards to the writers room. But again, you don't really need female representation because that's not what the show is for. If if they have lots of females in the writers room and that's why we're not getting all the sex stuff and all the dick stuff, then take them out. Oh wow. Yeah I said it. Come and fight me.

65:56Oti: Well I'm all about equal representation in everything that we do

65:59KT: so I know I check your web searches.

66:07Oti: I didn't find fault with her, she just she she's a suit and and did what a suit would do in this situation. You mobilize a team, you take all the credit for this success, and if it fails, you lay the blame on Butcher and his team. Let's talk about Mallory actually. There's so much to unpack, isn't there? Yeah. She she pretty much led Butcher into this manhunt intentionally and then when things went really wrong and she lost pretty much her

66:38Oti: family yeah grandkids and all she changed the tune and just secluded herself in her in some sort of mountain or whatever.

66:38KT: Well she she she got she treated Butcher like a animal yeah and

66:52KT: she got his taste for blood and he went off and he's been on a dick searching mission for Homelander ever since. Yep. So when that didn't serve her anymore, he was out. She was out, everyone was out of the game.

67:11Oti: Well she lost she lost her family and it's explained and it's understandable. It puts it puts thing in perspective, doesn't it? Like, what are you doing it for if not if your family gets entangled in all this and you lose them all? But she doesn't strike me as someone that's wholly innocent.

67:30KT: She looks like she's battling with her own demons. Yeah. They should rename this to the demons inside me. Uh-huh. Sexually. Are there any other characters you wanna touch on? We didn't really talk about the female specifically.

67:46Oti: She can regenerate.

67:48KT: Shout outs to Karen though. She does a very great job playing the female because you watch her in interviews and it's like is that the same woman that played the female? Yeah yeah.

67:59Oti: It's quite she's trying to go back to home country to rescue her brother

68:05KT: because of forced Child to join soldiers Yeah. Or child terrorists which is also an interesting sort of concept which we don't know if that unfolds in the comics but to introduce a Supe terrorist is quite interesting as well. It really is. So that's something that I wanna It makes sense though, doesn't it? But oh, I don't know if we should spoil this or not. Spoiler spoiler spoiler. If you haven't read the comic, close your ears. But just in volume one that we read,

68:35KT: everyone in Butcher's team actually injects Compound V. Yeah. Everyone uses Compound V. Yeah.

68:42Oti: But it they made it I think they they did it intentionally so the boys can be. To clearly define who's who. Yes. But really, realistically,

68:52KT: they're not going to have a chance against the Supe set. No. No. Butcher, Kiwi, they're all taking Compound V, mate. You can have all the passe on as much as you want. But with your basic Homelander, that passion won't do shit. His passion will split you in half. Pretty much. If you're nasty. Yeah. But, you know, I as much as I enjoyed the show, I'm really pissed off that the four episodes were that slow to start off with. So we talked about some good things, but I also wanna say, pull your head in.

69:25KT: Because as much as we say there's 70 plus volumes or whatever you want to call it issues deal with your own issues mate. I'm quite fine over here with my cockney don't you? I got issues that can't be absorbed by a tissue.

69:41Oti: You're welcome.

69:45KT: KT has left the chat forever but that's it guys. We've covered The Boys, the Amazon series and we have watched one and a half of the comic, The Boys, if that adds to any of our credibility throughout this episode. Is there anything else you wanna shout out in regards to this episode?

70:07Oti: Just stick with it. Like, it's it starts off fairly slow but it does get better and within those four episodes at the start Skip it. It becomes no don't skip it it becomes quite clear that Butcher and Homelander are integral in this and their acting alone will keep you hooked if for nothing else

70:26KT: stick with them until There is nothing else.

70:30Oti: Just stick with it it's really a good show and you'll you won't regret it and from seeing the trailer for season one for season season two episode one, you'll definitely want to catch up before it get it airs because it's just an amazing show. The concept is amazing. I am tired of your normal superhero kinda shows any already. So this is a breath of fresh air that I'm eager to partake in.

70:56KT: So let's wrap this meat package all up with For Your Reference. Oti.

71:03Oti: I would go with Banshee. Just finding out that Homelander is Hood is fucking unbelievable. I didn't see it. I feel ashamed. And if you wanna see his acting range,

71:16Oti: Banshee is definitely the best thing you could see in him, and it's an amazing show.

71:16KT: And I was also called a banshee by my high school teacher, so that's reason enough to check it out. Eric Kripke actually headed this with Seth Rogen, so I will actually put forth Supernatural. Oh, nice. We did it. On Twitter and Instagram, we are @ForYourRefPod. If you love us enough, check out our Apple Podcast and leave a rating and review. See you. Cock suckers.