The Boys – Integrity cannot be Vought

Full transcript of The Boys – Integrity cannot be Vought.

0:00KT: Howdy. Howdy. Welcome back. We are starting off with Anguessme. And Oti and I are very cool, and we're doing what the kids are doing. We did a quiz on which characters we would be on The Boys.

0:00Oti: Oh, who?

0:00KT: Yes. And Oti does not seem happy with his result. So I'm going to guess who you got and then you can guess me. Alright. Alright. Three, two, one. Starlight. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.

0:00Oti: But gods be damned if you think I'm Hughie.

0:00KT: Okay.

0:35KT: So you can guess. You can guess who I was on the quiz, and I'll say who I got. Three, two, one.

0:41Oti: Friendly. Butcher.

0:44KT: Oh, off. Oh, you can fucking diabolical off. That's what you can do, and we can get on with the show. Hey, friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT.

0:44Oti: And Oti.

0:44KT: Reheat that crusty paella and uncoil your love sausage because we have open auditions for Cuck Fluffer, Doppelganger, and Terror's Fuck Pig. Oh, wow. You couldn't even make it till the end of the intro, mate.

1:37Oti: Bloody hell, your psyche is just off the track, mate.

1:40KT: Well, if you wanna hear our psyche going completely off the track, go and check out our season one recap of The Boys. Today, we will be covering the most recent installment, season two of The Boys. We lay our splooshes to Garth Ennis and his most delicious graphic novel of The Boys, and also creator of Eric Kripke for Television. Season two was released in September 2020 out of Amazon. I guess this is an official KT statement from the For Your Reference podcast in 2020. If you participated in the review bombing, you are more than welcome

2:23KT: to fuck off. How do you give a bad rating for something you love just because it's not being released the way you want it to? In retrospect

2:35Oti: Yikes. I sort of appreciate them releasing it that way so that we looked forward to watch something week in week out. Like, it wasn't if they released it all on us on on that same Friday Uh-huh. Who would have finished it before we hit Sunday? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And some of you motherfuckers only get an orgasm once a week and that's your problem.

2:57KT: Uh-huh. Don't blame The Boys. You can blame many things on The Boys but not the lack of sexual adventure. Definitely, indeed. The main actors that we have credited on IMDb, Karl Urban, True Blue, fucking love you, mate. Baby Quaid, otherwise known as Jack Quaid, And Antony Starr, another kiwi across the ocean. Yeah. Right? If you've listened to our Umbrella Academy episode or even our Perry Mason episode, it's going to follow a very similar format to that. Especially with Umbrella Academy, I was quoted to say, and I will quote myself again saying,

3:40KT: reading the wiki of the comics is pretty much the same as reading the comics. Come and fight me nerds when you're not masturbating over Aisha Tyler at least that's what I'm doing. Splooshes all round friends and lovers. Sploosh mountain. Indeed. And in your direction, my love. Mhmm. So we are going to capture big characters and then, you know, clusters and proximities of characters. I am very impressed. And I'm also not surprised that I got Butcher in the quiz.

3:40Oti: I am. You list I cheated.

3:40KT: Have you have you listened to the podcast?

4:18KT: Have you lived with me for ten years?

4:22Oti: You would have been Vogelbaum. Oh.

4:26KT: And you're my fuck pig. Yeah. So let's start off with Butcher. The interesting thing is in the season one review episode that we did, Oti was very, very annoyed, I think is the mildest way to say it. You were not a fan of Butcher nearing the end of season one because you claimed that he was very selfish.

4:51Oti: Mhmm.

4:52KT: We have a lot of proximity characters in regards to Butcher so within this tasty little morsel I want to make sure we cover Terror I'm so glad we saw Terror in this season Lenny his mom, his dad, and also Becca. So before we talk about the ever eternal Billy Butcher, I just wanna capture off what his strengths are. It could be Powers, but in this case, we're talking about The Boys, Butcher. He's got expert hand to hand combatant Mhmm. Expert marksman, gifted intelligence, expert leader, deception, manipulation, intimidation, and indomitable will.

5:37Oti: Indomitable will.

5:38KT: Yeah. He he's an extremely determined man, never giving up on the mission to pretty much fuck the Supes. Which has officially joined My Hero Academia with indomitable will. Well, no. I think Spaceboy in Umbrella Academy had something called enhanced resilience or some shit. So there's definitely some more scraping of the barrel sort of strengths that we can come to, but that's that's Butcher in a nutshell.

6:07KT: Let's talk about him because a lot has happened in season one and season two. I would say a lot of the through lines for the series do encompass Butcher in some way, case, or form, but he's usually at the center of a lot of the storylines that we have in The Boys. So let's talk generally of where we left off with Butcher in season one, how you felt about him, and just coursing throughout season two.

6:35Oti: Like you said, I've at the end of season one, I felt I was angry with the way Butcher was being, in my opinion, selfish. Mhmm. But we start season two, and he's in a quest. He's found out his wife is still alive. Mhmm. I felt really sorry for Butcher. Yeah. And and seeing him go through that, managing to get to the to to the wife Yeah. Only for her to turn him down. Yeah.

7:05Oti: Only for her to turn him down. And we later come to see on in the same we later come to see in a little episode that she goes back to Butcher because because Ryan has been taken. Mhmm. And both our reactions were like, piss off. But you gotta put that indomitable will in there. Butcher wasn't gonna just say that. Mhmm. You know? There's love in there. And by God, we knew that he'd find a way to get the boy back.

7:05KT: Well, I think you skipped a very significant part. And I guess

7:40KT: as people that don't have children, maybe it wasn't such a big emotional pull, but there was that conflict that Becca had because, you know, I guess, in some senses, Butcher's love was conditional, and it didn't extend to Ryan.

7:40Oti: Stop. He he's a Supe.

7:40KT: Yeah. The but the new life was only offered to Becca, not to Ryan. And maybe it wasn't as much of a qualm for us. Right? But I think that was a very big sort of conflict that they had in the story,

8:10KT: and it really showed us, you know, the the growth that Butcher has because spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, but if you're here, you want us to sploosh you in all the most delicious of ways. You know, once we get to the end and he actually he grabs the crowbar, but he doesn't kill Ryan, which I thought was very surprising. I also think it was kind of unrealistic.

8:32KT: But, hey, I just remember Butcher from volume one of the comic book.

8:32Oti: Do you really think that crowbar will do anything to him, though? Because we saw him

8:32KT: It doesn't matter. It's the intent. Right?

8:32Oti: I know. Yeah. True.

8:32KT: And and I guess we can have a talk about power hierarchy because I'm trying to figure out where Ryan places. It maybe it's just like, you know, in Twilight, you're most welcome. You wanna fight me because I'm referencing Twilight in The Boys? Come and fight me, motherfuckers or motherfuckers.

9:04KT: Mother's Milk. Mhmm. Love sausage. What a delicious show, by the way. But in Twilight, the vampires are, like, really strong when they're newborn. Right? Yeah. So maybe that's kind of Ryan. He's unwieldy, but his power is as strong as it's ever been. Right? So

9:21KT: I I guess we can talk about how that fits because the fact that he was able to I don't think Stormfront's dead, by the way. No. I think she's just She's hanging she's hanging on. She's not Gekko, but she's hanging on. Mhmm. Right? But for him for him to do that, it I don't think it was a matter of Billy Butcher's going to kill Ryan. I think it was more his intent. Because he's a fucking human at the end of the day. He's not Wolverine.

9:47KT: He's more like Batman without all the gadgets and dollar signs. He's he's not in the club of Tres Comas. Listen to our Silicon Valley episode. Right? He's just a human. Right? So he doesn't have those superhero sort of powers. But, I mean, from an emotional sort of standpoint, it would have really, you know, it would have really meant something if he did try and attack Ryan because what does he have left? He has literally nothing left he could have gone on a Jonathan Wickenston sort of rampage right

10:19KT: but that's not what we saw so I thought it was really interesting that we saw earlier on in the series he completely fucking discarded that kid Right? Yep. Up until him showing some sort of kindness, but it it was pretty much because Becca was like, hey, leave the kid alone. Right? But I also think I don't understand irony. I'm like Jon Hamm and Alec Baldwin in 30 Rock, and I'll use the word irony however I want to.

10:49Oti: Oh, Alanis Morissette.

10:51KT: Thank you, Oti Morissette.

10:51Oti: You're welcome.

10:51KT: Most delightful. I don't know if it's irony, but the fact that, you know, the person that he's been chasing for so long, now he might potentially have to face the kid, that's a very interesting sort of dynamic because, you know later on in the series Vogelbaum says that Homelander was never like that yeah but he eventually got conditioned to be that way and we see that Ryan's not like that but there's definitely a path

11:24KT: that he could definitely take.

11:24Oti: Oh, for sure.

11:24KT: I don't know if they're going to, like, speed up the time in which he grows or if there's just gonna be, like, Supernatural, The Boys season 20. Ryan fights back.

11:40Oti: I think they'll probably fast forward. But in my opinion, I think Ryan is stronger than Homelander.

11:47KT: Oh, okay. So do you mean Homelander now?

11:47Oti: Yes.

11:53KT: And you think Ryan's stronger?

11:53Oti: Yep. He put some will into it. Maybe Homelander wasn't putting his all when Stormfront confronted him and he was trying to use his heat vision on her. Mhmm. And he wasn't doing anything to Stormfront. Little do you know, we have a little boy, Ryan, flashes his eyes, and poof. Yay. Stormfront is lacking little pieces all over.

12:14KT: No. I really feel because the whole the whole point of Stormfront being introduced to Homelander was that he didn't have to hold back anymore so I really don't think he was you know doing it lightly she liked it rough yeah like many out there hey ladies And others that identify with that comment. But it was interesting. It it was definitely interesting. I don't think Butcher's going to he's not going to be on the Butcher's tutelage, I don't think.

12:49Oti: No. No. Butcher doesn't do that. He has few already for that. Oh, fuck. The canary? The canary.

12:56KT: Canary up the ass. Speaking of Butcher not being like that, let's focus on his parents for for a couple of seconds because I think part of the reason why you were getting frustrated with Butcher in season one is he was very selfish and I can I can definitely concede he was being very selfish but also at the same time from what we gather it's not much different from how he was anyway? Like, you know, Mother's Milk if you're nasty,

13:27KT: Frenchie. You know, there was a time in season one when he was like, how could he do this? And they're like, mate, he does it all the time. We relink after. It doesn't matter. We'll be fine. We've done this, like, hundreds of times. Wasn't it I think it was Frenchie that was like, oh, Hughie, how brave of you to come here with no plan.

13:47Oti: Would you expect any more from Hughie, though?

13:47KT: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And that's why you'll see on the schedule when I'm is organized, he's near the bottom of the list.

13:47Oti: Wow.

13:47KT: Because we might forget to talk about him.

13:47Oti: Oh, wow.

13:47KT: But Butcher, by all accounts, is very efficient in what he does. Sometimes he can a bit be a bit too pragmatic about his decisions. Even though a lot of the times it is coming from a place of love, he operates on what needs to get done. Mhmm. So we start to see

14:23KT: why he's like that. Yeah. And we get context to that. Sometimes backstories add nothing, but I definitely felt like we dived into a whole world of Butcher that we never knew about.

14:23Oti: Oh, it showed us his psyche and all.

14:23KT: Yeah. And let let's focus on the dad. I guess he's the media part of this sandwich. When they have that exchange on the balcony and you can see that the dad is he is,

14:55KT: you know, a full on hard ass like you can see it.

14:55Oti: To his deathbed man. To his deathbed.

14:55KT: Okay. This is this is a general For Your Reference discussion point. Right? So while we were watching this, time and time again, they were talking about Lenny specifically and how Lenny and Butcher were very different. Yeah. And Lenny was the only one with a heart that's why he's not alive anymore he just wasn't cut out for the world right and Butcher credit to the dad according to the dad

15:29KT: because he made him that way and he is prepared to take on anything yeah so full on credit to him with no blame at all how did you feel watching the scene play out Because there was an opportunity to have a consoling, a reconciling, coming together, you know, especially because he is on one of his last sort of breaths, having some sort of solace in, you know, I pushed you too hard, son. I'm sorry. How did you feel watching that scene and, you know, slowly realizing that Butcher was never going to get that moment?

16:13Oti: I wanted him to reconcile with the dad. Mhmm. At least to start paving that way back to

16:21Oti: caring about himself and caring about other people and and just getting that button off his shoulder. Mhmm. And in The Boys fashion, we saw that pretty quickly it wasn't gonna be that. Yep. The dad didn't show any sort of remorse. No. He's like, yep. Of course, I did what I did. I was justified. Yeah. You know, he was bully he was being full AJ in that if you've played The Walking Dead. You know? He feels that every action he took is what made Butcher the way he is, and that's why he's alive. And that's all thanks to him. Big man, strong.

16:21KT: Exactly. Ugga.

16:56Oti: So I once that sort of transpired, I knew there's no way Butcher's gonna forgive him, especially when you know Butcher cared so much for Lenny.

16:56KT: Absolutely.

16:56Oti: He was like his guardian angel. Yeah. So the fact that he didn't show any remorse and that transpired to Lenny dying and kill by killing himself, actually. Mhmm. So I was like, yeah. You can't forgive this crap of a father, if you can even call him that.

17:28KT: Sperm donor. Friends and lovers of the podcast, if you have listened to pretty much any of our episodes or a handful of our episodes, there is something that I denote to a lot, especially when it comes to parents.

17:37KT: Would you like to enlighten the crowd, Oti?

17:37Oti: No one can fuck you up more than your parents.

17:43KT: Abso fucking lutely. And I know I'm fucking projecting. It's for your projection, friends and lovers. But that's exactly it. And I really appreciated that in that scene, he kept being that awful dickhead of a dad. Yeah. Because for if he were to apologize in that moment, that would undo decades of hurt and and due pain and everything that Butcher had felt, it would essentially reverse that and gaslight him to to kinda minimalize the experiences that he went through. You

18:18KT: know, I I always say I don't need an extra season. I don't need an extra sequel, but I would love I would fucking love a Billy Butcher spin off.

18:18Oti: In his earlier years?

18:18KT: The baby yes and to to really see what he went through but also at the same time strength's a great writing you don't need to know what he went through to know that it has fucked him up all the way till Tuesday. Yeah. And that's what I really appreciated about that scene because that's real fucking life. Sometimes,

18:48KT: you know, in in your interpersonal sort of relationships there's no real closure. Yeah and people or or people will just continue to treat you like shit and you're just going to continue to take it oh for sure right until you get off the carousel of feelings you're always going to put yourself vulnerable on the line out there. Mhmm. So I absolutely love that about Butcher. I absolutely loved seeing him with his aunt. Mhmm. And also that Terror's been there the whole time. Yeah. That is kudos to, I guess, the comic book readers

19:25KT: because there was a reference to it in season one and it kind of it was kind of like a jest sort of thing. So I'm glad we actually saw Terror. We saw Terror's fuck pig. Can I just say, as someone that has a dog, if there is a toy

19:39Oti: I thought you're going to say as someone who has a fuck pig? I was like, what?

19:44KT: Well, we've already established who the fuck pig is. Alright. And no one said fuck pigs had to be smart, my love.

19:44Oti: Oh, wow.

19:44KT: We can open auditions. Okay. Okay. Do you wanna fuck pig?

19:44Oti: No. I'm I'm content being one.

19:44KT: Okay. So, you know, as much as I would love to make this a, you know, tantalizing Billy Butcher flicking off his balls, this is not the specific podcast episode that we're doing today. So let's move on to the next character and you could really put them side by side let's talk about Homelander

20:25Oti: woo hoo the lovable superhero

20:29KT: he's deliciously evil in every sense of the word so let's go through his actual powers. Superhuman strength, invulnerability, superhuman speed, heat vision, superhuman hearing, and flight. K. So it's very much Superman, very much Goku. He's he does have some weaknesses that have been noted down. We have zinc, so you can't see through zinc. Sonic frequencies, extreme brute force, so that that could be a competitor for Noir. And also insecurities and god god by god season two was built upon the foundation of Homelander's insecurities the proximity characters that I have to Homelander Stillwell, Doppelganger,

21:18KT: and obviously Ryan.

21:20Oti: I think one of the things that shock shocked me at least was when we saw Stillwell, and we all thought that Homelander was hallucinating.

21:31KT: I thought he found a way to reanimate her, to be honest.

21:35Oti: I thought it was just a hallucination, like him just spacing out and saying Stillwell and breastfeeding and talking to her. I thought it was more of a mental thing.

21:35KT: Be Stillwell, my beating bosoms.

21:35Oti: Yeah. And I think I don't appreciate just how The Boys is because that should have been my first guess. He just got somewhat brilliant. He got a shape shifter to to to to look like Stillwell. Yeah. That was creepy as fuck, man. Because we have seen Doppelganger,

22:05KT: so it wasn't as if it was something that was completely out of the blue. But I think we were so sucked into her Stillwell that we weren't really thinking about what that meant and how real it was. Yeah. That was one of the most interesting scenes because this season really simmered in salaciousness and frivolity. Mhmm. With every passing episode, it got fucking weirder and the the the fluids were still flowing, but we weren't sure why. Mhmm. And that particular scene in particular.

22:44Oti: Yeah. That was that was just creepy.

22:47KT: Kripke says that one of his biggest regrets was not getting Doppelganger to follow through on the fellatio.

22:55Oti: Yeah. I was I was waiting for it. I was like, cut. You might as I thought I thought by the time they showed us that, they've already done it a few times. But it's like it's like you're pretty much all already all the way there. Yeah. Just give the people what they want yeah they need to get a new intimate coach yeah

23:16KT: that's in regards to the Lord of the Rings show and whatever wherever we're placed in the space time continuum that might not even exist ever it might be delayed for a hundred years who knows but yes if anyone would like to hire us as intimacy consultants please hello@fyrpodcast.com I said that as professionally as I could, my love.

23:16Oti: The only thing you've ever said professionally.

23:16KT: I'm trying to get us I'm trying to get us the jobs that we want, Oti. Yeah. Doppelganger was a really interesting

23:52KT: cause I think a lot of the time, you know, you see Homelander like Pucci, you're seeing him doing really selfish, dickish things, but then you also realize there's a vulnerable side to him. And as much as adornment as he gets from the public which he thrives on it's literally all he lives for because unfortunately that's how he's been conditioned there is a part of him that is just broken and that child and you see that with Stormfront because Stormfront would poo poo it and she would dismiss

24:25KT: you know the masses and talk about it as a necessary part of the job but that's everything that Homelander thrived on you know being the star of franchises And was it saving America instead of saving the world? Yeah. Like, he had a lot of the America, eagle soaring, you know, all of those isms. And he really he really loved to be loved. And that's a very sad thing, but also at the same time, it's a very human emotion to have.

24:54Oti: Especially considering the kind of childhood he had.

25:01KT: Oh, absolutely. But also, you need to hold him to account for the terrible things he did, especially to Queen Maeve.

25:10Oti: I don't know why I'm laughing, but That was ruthless.

25:14KT: You know what? And I do appreciate the realism that The Boys brings. I appreciate the political and the social commentary that The Boys brings to the forefront into everyday conversation. However, though, there have been many comparisons between Homelander and the current leadership of that country. And I don't know. Maybe sometimes I just don't want it to be too real. I just wanna enjoy Homelander as a fucking ass without bringing parallels to real life. Yep. But anyway, I love I love the eagle soaring. I love the mirror mechanisms through way of Homelander.

25:59Oti: Oh, for sure.

26:01KT: And, you know, it was very interesting. I guess, you know, to some point, you could have rolled your eyes when Butcher and Homelander are drawing parallels to themselves, especially when Butcher is talking to Vogelbaum, and they're starting to realize that they're not much different to each other. I I don't know if that needed to be explicitly told to us. There's enough explicit content in this show. We don't need to be baby fed unless it's through way of a bosom. But I I did appreciate that because there's definitely

26:31KT: a lot of similarities that they both have, but it's never going to be in this lifetime or in this universe that they're ever going to get along. Those never ship where that would even set sail to. Yeah. Absolutely. And and and I guess that's just not something we're going to see. And if it is something we see, I guess that is something for future episodes.

26:52Oti: Now I think that bridge is well and beyond repairable. Like, the things Butcher and Homelander have done to each other, nothing nothing could make them mend.

27:04KT: Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if Butcher takes Ryan under his wing, and then they have like a standoff of Homelander.

27:14Oti: Yeah. But I I do think Ryan will be the downfall of Homelander.

27:17KT: Yeah. But then also at the end of season two, we see him wanking all over the city. So I think that's just to well, it might just be a Tuesday night for him, but I think that's supposed to exemplify that he doesn't fucking care anymore. And he's reached that new threshold of assholery.

27:36Oti: It'll be interesting to see how that transpires in season three.

27:40KT: Absolutely. Mhmm. And hopefully, he'll leave Queen Maeve alone.

27:45Oti: I really don't think that video is going to change anything. It's not gonna change anything. It'll reach a point where he wouldn't even care about public perception anymore. Yeah. Because he's a bloody Homelander.

27:55KT: Yeah. And it was in one of the earlier episodes where the crowd was going against him, and he laser beamed them all. I was like, fucking, yeah, but it didn't really happens. But I I do I do feel like it will get to a point where he's like, fuck you guys. I'm going to make you love your Yeah. Absolutely. You know, the the X-ray vision is on its way. Mhmm. Speaking of on its way, let's continue on to The Boys. Mhmm. Shout outs to Laz Alonso. It's

28:29KT: not the first time aside from season one of The Boys that he's featured on our podcast we've also covered Avatar suits say if you're nasty yeah so let's talk about Mother's Milk and these are the skills that he has he's a skilled hand to hand combatant, skilled marksman, skilled investigator, medical skills, intimidation, and stealth. They also don't say badass t shirts.

28:58Oti: Too bad he couldn't use his hand to hand combatant skills to get the dick away from his neck.

29:04KT: Yeah. But if he was beating the dick, wouldn't that be pleasurable?

29:08Oti: Yeah. And then it'll go flaccid, won't it?

29:13KT: You don't need to tell people what we get up to, Oti. Dear. We'll tell you for a price. Email us. This is a fun fact from Kripke. In the after show, which my best friend Aisha Tyler hosts I'm not sure if you know. Don't be jealous, but Aisha Tyler is my best friend. Kripke did mention that one of his biggest regrets as well for the show was he actually got Frenchie to be involved in the love sausage scene, and he was trying to help break free by biting love sausage.

29:51Oti: And that was cut off.

29:53KT: That if you'll pardon the pun. But the thing is, why make him bite a theoretical dick and not include it in the show? That would have been a bit. It would have been. And he bit a theoretical dick for nothing. Oh, we've all been there. But, yeah, it was interesting. It was interesting to see MM's journey throughout season two. I had a little rant on season one saying his wife ain't shit, and I maintain that to this day. We actually haven't seen his family, and we we do see him visiting

30:31KT: the home in which they are. So, hopefully, in season three, we'll see if the wife isn't a bitch anymore.

30:40Oti: Jesus. I think you like too much, and you anyone that doesn't that that makes feel away, you're definitely not on their side.

30:50KT: Hey. If the wife isn't giving it to I've got some sustenance for him. Me let me just put it that way. But definitely goes on a broader adventure and and more of a story arc to his character one of that is actually learning on why he actually fights Vought the Supes in particular and you know in summary it's about his father working himself to death trying to sue Vought and you know we also have parallels of African Americans and discrimination and, you know, we we have quite of, you know, a very pointed dialogue,

31:37KT: you know, between the character and also and then that that conversation continues in the car with Starlight and Hughie where they want to know more about it yeah and you know that that can also speak to the climate now it's it's not just who needs to know it's everyone that needs to know

31:37Oti: Yeah. Agreed.

31:56Oti: I think one of the better things that they did in season two is give us a lot of the backstory for The Boys. Mhmm. So we get to learn more about and Frenchie. We'll get back to him we'll get to him later, but it was really good to see why he did that. It added an extra layer to Mhmm. Because he had a family. Like, we didn't want it to be a situation where he'd be the C-Note of this group.

32:23KT: You better stop that.

32:23Oti: C-Note is a character in Prison Break where he has a sick daughter but still drags the daughter across the country

32:23KT: On the run.

32:23Oti: The run without any medication, fugitive.

32:35KT: Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't want I didn't want him to be the C-Note of this group. I think you referencing C-Note from Prison Break is more of a sin than me referencing Twilight. Nah. Yeah. But you you you didn't want to come off that way, and I definitely agree. He he's been given multiple opportunities to go back to his family.

32:56KT: And you wonder why? Because it can't just be because he's good friends with Butcher. Yeah. It has to be more than

33:05Oti: At a certain point, you just have to say, you know what? Mate, I've tried. I need to go back to my daughter and my wife. But that added an extra layer of complexity to him, and we got to understand, at least empathize to a degree with him. Mhmm. Mhmm. Absolutely.

33:18KT: And it was so great. And I think also I I wanna officially put on this episode, I didn't care for the propping up of Hughie, the constant propping up of the ordinary nonhero Hughie because makes a specific comment to Butcher when you know there's there's quite a bit of conflict between Butcher and Hughie and says you need to reconcile with him because he he is what tells the team that we've gone too far. He pretty much he pretty much said MM pretty much said that Hughie is the most important

33:56KT: person of the group. Yeah. And I don't agree with that because that's not fair. And it's no. No. No. No. No. No one person is stronger than the team. And especially if that person's Hughie. Right? And then I think that was the same speech where compares him to a canary. Hughie being a canary. And yeah cool cute you're trying to give him more substance as a character but I really feel like that took away from how strong they were as Butcher, and Frenchie individually

34:30KT: and also them as a cohesive unit because if anything I would say is the glue of the group so he has something to lose so he will never take it way too far but he also knows what needs to be done

34:44Oti: Yeah. And the same thing the same the same justification you've just used for having a family and never taking it too far is the same reason why Hughie is in the group so that Butcher doesn't go too far.

34:55KT: No. But those are just words. We haven't well, fuck off because we haven't seen that exemplified in the show. They just keep shoving words in Hughie's mouth, and they keep shoving his mouth in our face.

35:11Oti: Oh wow

35:12KT: but you gotta agree there are way more valuable people on The Boys than Hughie

35:12Oti: I agree with you

35:12KT: so that's what I'm saying that specific comment that made about Hughie I don't think that was fair I think it was a bit overly dramatic, and it was it was too much of an oversell. But, anyway, splooshes splooshes to and I love to continue to see what has in store for season three of The Boys speaking of The Boys specifically as a unit we did mention in the season one recap and it's not necessarily a spoiler

35:50KT: but you know in the early volumes of the comic that we did read The Boys were shooting up Compound V like it was a normal day yeah so given the fact that the through line of season one and season two is Compound V is bad That's bad. Don't take a ga. I don't think they're going to entertain that storyline or at least maybe for a few seasons. They're really simplifying to the fact of Compound V is only for people that are heroes now and it's only going to be used for intended evil.

36:27Oti: Yeah. But to a point, it doesn't make sense that they they're not using it.

36:29KT: Yeah. Yet. How no. But, like, if we talk about power hierarchy again, how are they supposed to stand up to anyone, including Starlight? Like, how would they fight any of the Supes?

36:43Oti: There's only so much Frenchie's tricks can get you. Yeah. So even even like, a lot of things have to align for Homelander not just to kill Butcher in an instant. Yeah. Either it's it's

36:58Oti: the wife telling him, we'll take the son away, and now the wife is dead. And then there's the kid. The kid has to side with Butcher. Like, there's a lot of things that have to happen. A lot of things have to happen, yeah, for him to For Butcher to fucking stay alive. Well, not yeah. Actually, not even when. Just to be alive. Just to be alive. Yeah. So it it will reach a point where they'll definitely have to take Compound V because it won't be sustainable.

37:23KT: Yeah. But the the the the problem with that is that the main story is Compound V is bad. It's all bad. Doesn't do it. Okay? Mhmm.

37:32Oti: But we do know, you know, if if you if you wanna defeat someone like Homelander, there's no way you can use any sort of tactics or just anything less than.

37:48KT: Yeah. And, you know, it was noted that a weakness is brute strength, but that's Black Noir brute strength. That's not Butcher. That's that's a whole different you know, you're not swimming in the same lanes essentially. So let's move on to the most Parisian of lanes, Frenchie. For the strengths, have skilled marksman, skilled hand to hand combatant, skilled scientist, skilled investigator, bilingualism, and skilled thief.

38:16Oti: Yeah. Well, he adds another language into his repertoire this season. Yeah. He's he's pretty much trilingual now.

38:27KT: Oh, Trillingus. In the season one episode, you gave Frenchie graces for how he treats Kimiko. He was the first person to treat Kimiko kindly. So any sort of shortfalls you gave him graces for. I said he was smart but a romantic at heart, which isn't a problem, but he has issues that he needs to resolve within himself. Yeah.

38:52Oti: And a kiss doesn't solve some doesn't help anyone get over a death of a of a of a of a sibling. Unless it's

39:00KT: unless it's a closed mouth mama kiss. Yeah. I fucking love Frenchie. I I really enjoy him as a character. I I love all of the Frenchie isms we get in the show. He had a lot of poignant one liners in the show, which is sad because a lot of his one liners were towards Kimiko. But I I really appreciated him. I love how he fits into the team. He is a bit more accepting in the team, whether it be resolving conflicts or whether it be embracing a big old dick. Mhmm.

39:45KT: That's a Love Sausage reference, by the way. But I I really love the Anchorage that Frenchie brings to the show. And it was you know, if we're talking about expanding the character and providing backstory, we definitely saw that with Frenchie and what actually happened between him and Lamplighter.

40:04Oti: Lamplighter.

40:05KT: Woah. Yeah. Right? If The Deep wasn't around, Lamplighter would be the pity points. Yeah. Yeah. But but we see that Frenchie really did so much for his friends, and that was to the detriment of Mallory's grandchildren.

40:20Oti: Yeah.

40:21KT: And that was also a bit of the contention that we saw between and Frenchie because he didn't believe that that was the right thing to do even though he didn't know what the circumstances were.

40:30Oti: Yeah. But still, at the same time, you don't leave your post. Right? Yeah. But the circumstances were different. And I think once Frenchie told the story and was like, why the fuck didn't you tell this tell us that this whole time we just thought you're a slacker you know yeah but it was probably just hard on himself and even if he had said it it doesn't change anything

40:52KT: yeah true and you know seeing that dynamic between him and Lamplighter it really brought to home who you're rooting for because pretty much all of the time aside from me splooshing over Homelander I'm all about The Boys yeah the Supes can fuck off no actually yeah the the Supes can fuck off But I feel like we like Black Noir.

41:13Oti: Yeah. Yeah. He hasn't given us much reason. He hasn't given us much reason, but I feel like there's a good story in there.

41:22KT: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Speaking about a good story in there, let's talk a bit about Kimiko and her brother Kenji.

41:28Oti: Oh, that was really sad. Yeah. Especially getting to learn why Kimiko doesn't speak Yeah. Or doesn't talk at all. Mhmm. It was it was really sad to see how she came up with this mechanism to survive and to communicate. It's a language they just bore out of thin air. Yeah. So to learn all that and to really see how much they cared for each other Mhmm. Only for Stormfront to come into the picture and kill the brother in such a brutal way. Yeah. That was really shocking. That was heartbreaking.

42:04KT: Like, it's one thing to hear that your brother died, but to physically see the way Stormfront

42:09Oti: Without having without having the capability of doing anything about it.

42:17KT: Actually, if we're talking about power hierarchy, I think I know who can go against Stormfront.

42:17Oti: Who?

42:17KT: The Dutch from The Shield. You don't remember him strangling cats and he wanted to see the light go out in their eyes? Yeah. That's gonna be very confusing if you've never watched The Shield, but tantalizing if you understand the reference. You know what I I really enjoy Kimiko as a character but it is starting to become onerous on me that she's not communicating with the team because it makes

42:50KT: I don't know maybe it's also off the back of Mulan as well but I I don't like the idea of there's a mysticism around her because she doesn't speak like I feel like yes I understand that if you're going through trauma

43:04KT: and this is the way that you've coped then that's fair enough but also at the same time I don't want that to become a crutch because Karen Fukuhara was also Katana in Suicide Squad yeah and she didn't get to speak as well and actually actually if we're going to take it all the way Ben from Umbrella Academy he also didn't get to speak much on the show I'm not trying to pinpoint it as a specific sort of mystical Asian, like, wisdom, but I do want to see more about Kimiko.

43:38KT: Like, I I know that she's gone through a lot, and Frenchie is learning the language, and it's it's valuable and it means a lot but also at the same time I feel like for Karen as an actress and for us as viewers we want to see her connect more fully Or maybe I'm just speaking on behalf of myself.

44:00Oti: I agree to an extent. I think this what this season did is give us more not only give us more background, but build more on her character. Yeah. So at the end of it, at least she's finding a way to communicate with the group through Frenchie. Yeah. We we can't go from zero to a 100, and I think it'll be baby steps. But we did get to hear her laugh. That's progress right there. Yeah. And the fact that now Stormfront is sort of taken care of, maybe that will go into go into some way into

44:32Oti: making her now believe that or at least making her start wanting to communicate or feeling some sort of retribution has been done.

44:40KT: And, again, you know, I I brought in Mulan. I brought in Ben from Umbrella Academy and her as Katana.

44:48KT: But forgive me. Again, this this show definitely brings discussion points into the real world, and I couldn't help but but realize there's a lot of like mystical characters that don't talk and I'm like no we're not about that I just don't want it to be decidedly so that she's never gonna speak yeah Right? Oti is a man of few words, but he uses those words and he uses that mouth in a delicious way, friends and lovers.

45:14Oti: Oh, if I was given a chance to be Kimiko, mate.

45:22KT: So, yeah, not for nothing. I guess those are my two cents in regards to Kimiko's character. And and make no mistake, I am emotionally tethered to a lot of these characters. So you bet for fucking sure I am tearing up at every emotional scene. But holistically, story wise, I definitely want to see a lot more for Kimiko.

45:44Oti: Yeah. Me too.

45:46KT: Speaking about a lot more but not being able to get anymore, Hughie, is there anything

45:53Oti: So KT prepares a document highlighting every sort of highlighting notes and talking points for every character that she wants to go through the episode. And I've just had a glimpse of the spreadsheet. And when it comes to Hughie, there's literally nothing there. There isn't.

46:10KT: There isn't. Wow. Their love for him is beyond, There is nothing there, yet he he took up four episodes of season one and three episodes of season two. So how they managed to get a story out of nothing is a shock to me. Anyway, do you wanna say anything about him? Otherwise, we're moving on to The Seven.

46:10Oti: Well, there is a bit of character development in Hughie.

46:10KT: I like how you're talking fast. I've got you on a timer.

46:36Oti: We get to see him develop not only his relationship with Starlight, but he goes beyond his comfort zone in trying to rescue Starlight regardless of whether or not he has the capability to do so. He puts himself in harm's way, which I don't think it necessarily what he would have done in season one. He's he's growing, and he's sort of understanding the dynamics the dynamics of The Boys Yep. And more so understanding who Butcher is as a character. So all that is pivotal in how important he will be for The Boys going going forward.

47:13Oti: And the most important thing, the way the show ended, he joins Neuman in her campaign. Oh, boy. Yes. And Neuman has some really serious serious powers there as well. So I think that will be very interesting going forward, and he will play a big part in The Boys whether you like it or not.

47:35KT: Cool. Let's move on. Oh, wow. It's better I say nothing. Alright. Especially if you follow us on Twitter, you know how I feel about Hughie. Let's move on to The Seven. We've kind of already talked about Stormfront. I can quickly capture off her powers, if there's anything you wanna say, we can capture it. Plasma manipulation. Mhmm. I heard that's a vampire facial. That's what people in Hollywood get. No seriously, they take their blood out and they put the plasma on their skin. Electrical telekinesis, flight, regenerative healing factor,

48:11KT: and long longevity. Her weaknesses are extreme brute force, heat vision, and eye wounds. Oh, heat vision is interesting, especially since Homelander. Okay. Mhmm.

48:23Oti: Oh, she's she's interesting. Like, the fact that she's super old, a 101 years old or something Yeah. And she's super racist.

48:33KT: She's she's but she you she's part of the times. She's an actual Nazi. Yeah. She's called out as a Nazi. And they actively hurt her because she's a Nazi. So I I don't know the last time we've ever seen that, but it's very refreshing. It is. Because I think a lot of the time, and even Stormfront's character says as well, there there's there's definitely a spectrum of bigotry, and there's a spectrum of racism that exists. It's it's not going to be always packaged as what it is. Yeah. Oh, for sure. And

49:07KT: that's what's really interesting about and very compelling about Stormfront as a character and what she brought and will bring to the show because I really don't think she's dead.

49:07Oti: No. She's not. I don't think either.

49:07KT: I'm also reading this. Homelander was holding back, apparently.

49:22Oti: Oh, he was? Yeah. Good. Because Ryan did it so easily. Yeah. It wouldn't make sense. Yeah. It wouldn't make sense for Ryan just to, peep, dismantle Stormfront in a second while Homelander was struggling.

49:35KT: Yeah. She has a faster than average healing ability. What that means to, like, all of her limbs, I guess we'll see in season three.

49:46Oti: Is it like a dead Deadpool healing baby arm sticking up?

49:53KT: Yikes. I hope not. But, you know, you also say Stormfront's exchanges with A-Train. You know? It's like she's not outrightly saying it's because he's black, but you know that's what she's trying to say. Or she'll use words like pure and all that sort of thing. So I guess I just like that. That's a good lesson for today. Someone doesn't have to be an all the way shouting from the rooftop racist to be a racist so I guess choose your company carefully friends and lovers speaking of company

50:27KT: sometimes it doesn't even feel like he's in company Black Noir

50:31Oti: yeah

50:33KT: There are also instances in the comic where I guess spoiler where Black Noir is an iteration of Homelander.

50:41Oti: Oh really? Yeah.

50:43KT: What that means I guess we'll see superhuman strength, superhuman durability, superhuman speed, superhuman agility, superhuman hearing, regenerative healing factor, pain suppression, martial arts, dagger proficiency, intimidation, and pilot skills. His weaknesses are tree nuts and extreme brute force. Cute fact. The reason why it was written into the story of him being allergic to tree nuts is because Nathan Mitchell who plays Black Noir is actually allergic. Oh, really? Yeah. And he's the type of allergic of where it needs to be announced on planes Oh. To not open, like, packets of nuts.

51:27Oti: An EpiPen wouldn't do,

51:28KT: An EpiPen would not do indeed.

51:32Oti: Well, it'll it it gave Maeve the easiest route to defeat him.

51:38KT: Right. But it's like it looked like a normal candy bar. So he must have a very severe allergy unless like every other power is enhanced and his allergy just stays the same as a human level. Yeah. Who knows? Black Noir, he's he's very much get it in, get it done, but you also see him experience emotions as well when it swept the nation. Don't you love how it says nation, but they mean the world, but it's really just happening in America? But it sweeps the nation that Supes are artificially created.

52:11KT: Mhmm. And he was having an emotional quandary. Yeah. An existential crisis, if you will. And you you could see him portraying that in his body language specifically. You know, so Black Noir has been through some shit, and it's feels like he experiences a lot of the shit on his own. Yeah.

52:31Oti: And I feel like we really didn't get we've not really given a got gotten a chance to delve into him as a character. Hopefully, the season three and whatever any of the seasons, we'll get to know more about him because he's he's he's an enigma at the moment.

52:45KT: Absolutely. And I love this show. I absolutely love this show, but I do feel like the strength in this show would be a very tight sort of run. Because I feel like if we do get to a Supernatural season twenty, we will have a five arc episode of just Black Noir and Kimiko. Like, I don't know how much emotional sort of entanglements we can have in a Black Noir, Kimiko episode only. Mhmm.

53:22Oti: Well, I'm happy to see how how it goes. We have some very few shows that we love now. So

53:29KT: But does that mean we hold on to it even though we know it's past its prime?

53:33Oti: It's not past it. It's it's barely started. You know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. And the fact that you know what the problem is with things like Supernatural? It's a twenty twenty two episode a season. Yeah. There's so much content. With this, it's eight episodes. You you get in, get out. So it has a it has a better chance of hitting a season ten without feeling too overwhelming.

54:02KT: Okay. I don't know how to edit, but I'm gonna save that sound clip for my day of comeuppance. Of comeuppance, let's talk about Starlight. I I do need to apologize because in the season one episode, I completely dismissed Starlight. I even called her a plot device. I actually still maintain that for season one. But I do I am warming up to Starlight as a character. Mhmm. And I actually really enjoy hearing Erin Moriarty talk about The Boys, talk about life in general. So I am coming around on Starlight as a character, and

54:43KT: I really appreciate what she brings to the show. I also feel bad that she had to walk around in essentially a a swimming suit for a lot of season two. But, apparently, it was really hot when they were filming, and everyone else was struggling. Homelander in particular, he has, like, a little pack inside of him that he can pump water throughout his body to cool him down. Oh. Mhmm. But yeah. So Starlight is a very interesting character, and she definitely gets probably the most character development

55:16KT: in season two. If we're not talking about backstory and we're talking about expanding on the existing character we know. Mhmm. She has electricity absorption, energy projection, bioluminescence. That sounds like an Evanescence cover band. Superhuman strength, superhuman durability, expert hand to hand combat. Her weaknesses are lack of electricity, and we pretty much saw that when she was stuck at Vought Mhmm. And also brute force.

55:42Oti: Yeah. Well, I never really had too many qualms with Starlight like you did. At least we got to see a lot of who she is now as a solid character in this. Yep. Who where she stands, her being decisive, be it with the relationship with Hughie, be it in what she wants The Seven to be or what she wants to stand for. Mhmm. And it's so interesting to see how I would have wanted to see if she really would have gone through killing Hughie?

56:15Oti: I don't think she would have. I think she would have divided it the last minute and tried to attack Homelander. But without Butcher butting in, it would have been something to behold.

56:27KT: Yeah. I I don't think she would've. I I genuinely think that she loves Hughie.

56:33Oti: Yeah. Me too. But Boldlada is standing next to you bothering you to do something.

56:39KT: Yeah. I guess so. But it's befuddling to me why someone would love Hughie, but I do believe that Starlight does.

56:46Oti: Yeah. Like the mom described him, the boy with the color clummy hands and

56:49KT: The nervous the nervous boy with the sweaty hands or some shit. Yeah. But, yeah, Starlight definitely brings a lot to the show. She's the only one that's dabbled in both pools of The Seven and also The Boys. It'll be interesting to see where her allegiances lie now that she's going to be back in The Seven.

57:13KT: Now that it's been made very clear to Stormfront, but probably clear to everyone else that she was the one that leaked it. But there's really nothing she like, there's really nothing even Homelander can do because he's being held with the, you know, evidence that Queen Maeve has Yeah. As well. Yeah.

57:33Oti: The the interesting thing is that the relationship between Starlight and Queen Maeve. Yes. Absolutely. That's what made Starlight, I think, even go back into The Seven because now they're partnering together. They're they're definitely stronger to face Homelander than each individually. Uh-huh. So it'll be interesting. I'm definitely eager to see how that will transpire.

57:57KT: And that flows on nicely to Queen Maeve. We have strengths of superhuman strength, superhuman durability, superhuman speed, superhuman agility, superhuman stamina, superhuman reflexes, enhanced accuracy, martial arts and stealth.

57:57Oti: Bloody hell, reads more than Homelander, mate. Yeah. She kinda seems more well rounded. Yeah. She seems like the Neji of this queen.

57:57KT: Yeah. She's definitely the Neji of this. That's a Naruto reference. And in her weaknesses, extreme brute force, which is actually surprising. A lot of The Seven have this weakness, but it doesn't make sense with all of the powers she has. But anyway and people.

58:37KT: Mhmm. And then they have the whole storyline of her being queer. Oh, actually, I think Ashley said that she should be full blown lesbian and not bi because it confuses people Yeah. Or something to that effect. It's just it's just hard to market bi people. Yeah. Absolutely. And then they had the was it pride cakes or something? Mhmm. It it was interesting that they introduced that sort of storyline. And I guess, you know, just overarching the whole series, there's the commercialization and and the monetization of these Supes

59:14KT: and how your life is not your life. And if your life is your life, when it comes to light, it becomes monetized.

59:14Oti: Oh, for sure.

59:14KT: And how she, you know, how she had to dabble that world and, you know, explain to Elena that she's she's she's being held hostage by Homelander, essentially.

59:32Oti: Yeah. I wonder her strength, though, because she came to aid in defeating Stormfront.

59:38KT: Yeah. Is Stormfront stronger than Maeve? I would say so. She's, like, 100 years old. Even in the sense of just experience as well.

59:46Oti: Yeah. True. You know? It took three people to bring down Stormfront.

59:51KT: You know, if we're talking about, you know, significant others that aren't shit, Elena's not shit. Yeah. She ain't shit. Because now that you understand the life that Queen Maeve lives and how a lot of it is under duress and against her own sense of self and her own against her own volition, then why is she still trying to hold her accountable to the terrible things that she did under the duress within Homelander?

60:19KT: Right? I just didn't care for that. As someone that loves and know what it is to be loved and be in a loving companionship, I just didn't care for that. So I just wanted to note that out on the podcast. It's just a ridiculousness.

60:32Oti: When when Queen Maeve didn't want to tell her, she got angry and left. Yeah. Now that she knows it's too much for her to handle, she let she leaves.

60:32KT: Absolutely.

60:32Oti: Oh, piss right off, man. She ain't shit. You know who can piss right on in every sense of the word The Deep

60:51KT: can I just say can I just say now that we know now that the cat is out of the bag and Supes you know injected by Compound V and they are man made and they're not you know from divine you know ordinance in any way who chooses for their kid to be that

61:13Oti: you don't choose it just happens

61:13KT: It's a potluck?

61:13Oti: Yeah. Yikes. You don't know how your kid will respond to Compound V or what strength they're gonna get.

61:22KT: You think so?

61:22Oti: Yeah.

61:22KT: They didn't get to choose?

61:22Oti: No.

61:22KT: Yikes. That's some buyer's remorse right there. Mhmm. I feel like everything in The Deep sort of proximity was just a ridiculous sort of world that he lived in because we also have Eagle the Archer. Yeah. And also the Church of the Collective.

61:43Oti: And Condiment King. Condiment King.

61:48KT: That's a Harley Quinn reference. Is. Nice one, Oti. Mhmm. The DC animated series. But, yeah, the the Deep is a really interesting character. Like we mentioned in the first season, they kinda fucked this character because, to be fair, the the the TV show is a lot more cleaner than the comic. But let's just say the Deep's behaviors on the show wouldn't have been anything to bat an eyelid in in the comics. No. But there are some things as a character you can't come back from. You can't come back from sexual assault.

62:21KT: Yeah. And So now he's just meandering as an idiot.

62:24Oti: We see them trying to reinvent with the d p's and, you know, he's now married. He's part of the Church of the Collective. It's a PR stunt for them, at least to try and make him more wholesome. Yeah. Which doesn't work at the end of it, but he just feels so sorry for him in terms of how many things go wrong.

62:47KT: What did you think about the whole Gills talking to him? I think that was Patton Oswalt, by the way.

62:54Oti: Yeah. Of course, it's Patton Oswalt. I don't know. Like, it makes sense. He struggled with that for so long. He doesn't even really look under his shirt, his suit rather. Yeah. So for him to Especially because Homelander that keeps calling him fucking disgusting.

63:12KT: Ew. You've been your gills is showing.

63:14Oti: And he want you know, there's barely anything showing anywhere. Know. That was ridiculous. You I don't know. I feel sorry for him.

63:24KT: Oh, absolutely. Especially because his powers are ridiculous as well. But he's got four dot points, so he's got more than Queen Maeve. Aquatic telepathy, enhanced durability.

63:24Oti: Yes. He does. I have to go through all the pain and the dickheads making fun of him.

63:24KT: Aquatic and air respiration and enhanced swimming.

63:44Oti: Enhanced swimming.

63:45KT: He is stupid, though. How about him riding on Lucy the whale? He rides on Lucy the whale. Proud of himself. And stands on top of Lucy arms crossed,

63:56Oti: you know, thinking, oh, I've stopped The Boys Yeah. While they're rushing to him Yeah. In a in a speedboat.

64:04KT: To be fair, he think that would end up. Lucy wasn't in danger until he angled Lucy in front of the boat. He's just too ridiculous. He's too ridiculous. Where's where's PETA when you need them? Because he's really putting these animals in some danger. Yeah. He might be pleasuring them sexually. That's that's quite clear. But, you know, he needs to stay away from the animals for their welfare. Mhmm. Let's move on to another character of more ridiculousness as we get to season two, A-Train. We have superhuman speed, superhuman metabolism, superhuman strength, superhuman durability,

64:43KT: and his weaknesses are his heart condition, Jesus Christ, and brute force.

64:50Oti: Yeah. We didn't get to see much of A-Train in terms of character development in this. Uh-huh. I think we we focused too much on him in season one. Yeah. But here, now we get to see the fallout.

65:04KT: Well, he was also the one to bring the Stormfront file to Hughie and Starlight. Yeah. So he was instrumental in that. I do think it was really sad that they were trying to close off his arc in the seventh movie franchise. Yeah. And I think it was something about the sun setting on A-Train. Yeah. That was fucking sad. Can I just say, for a non learned, non Thespian, how did you feel about him or, like, the actor trying to give notes to the script?

65:39Oti: It's cringe. Yeah. It's just cringe. It's your job. Just just get the script, read your lines, and be done.

65:48KT: I I do think that there can be, you know, a a lasting collaboration on set. But sometimes it's like, dude, like, people are writers for a reason. Like, people are directors for a reason. Like, what is it? Stand on the spot, hit your marks, and do it all over again. Yep. But, yeah, A-Train

65:48Oti: Everyone's a critic, don't you know?

65:48KT: Oh, absolutely. And Jessie T. Usher was talking about the suit and how cool it is, and he was talking about the chest plate that he has in particular for his costume. And he just nonchalantly

66:23KT: said, you know, because of the way that A-Train is so fast, he's bound to hit things. It's like, mate, you're hitting humans. You hit Robin with your breastplate. We're not talking about bugs. You're talking about actual objects of existence. But there you go. That is pretty much everyone of note in the show. I guess I'll give a little bit of shout outs. And if you wanna say anything, you can, my love. We have Vogelbaum, who we've kind of already talked about. So that's like you know, because we've kind of identified

66:59KT: the villains and we kinda love the villains, we needed to introduce Stan Edgar. Ashley Barrett, talking about her crusty paella. We also have Grace Mallory. And also, if there's nothing else we're going to talk about, we should definitely talk about Neuman.

67:14Oti: Yeah. Because we had we had a theory of who what this we suspected will be someone different who was exploding the heads. Cindy.

67:23KT: Yep.

67:25Oti: Because she was the only one we saw that had that power. Yeah. I did not expect it to be her. We didn't get any sort of hints Yeah. Or anything of that sort. So interesting.

67:37KT: I do I do wonder if the powers are pretty much from the same set of you know you know chemical makeup and it's kind of your genetics as well that influence what sort of power Pretty much. That you get. You know how sometimes like the perfume smells the same but once you put it on different people's skin it smells different? Yep. I wonder if it's like that as well?

67:37Oti: Yep. Pretty much.

67:37KT: But Neuman is very interesting because, you know, her whole shtick is Supes bad.

68:10Oti: Supes bad, man.

68:13KT: Don't do them. Okay?

68:14Oti: But she's a Supe herself. So She's a Supe herself.

68:18KT: Did you feel big trade. Did you feel your balls dropping?

68:18Oti: Oh, I I I was

68:18KT: When we saw the Church of the Collective guy get his head squished.

68:27Oti: Yeah. I was wondering where that was coming from. I thought I thought Neuman would be the next target because they were talking to each other at that point, only for them to pan to Neuman. And I was like, fuck. And to the point where we now see Hughie going to work for Neuman Yeah. I'm telling you. Either Hugh is gonna die pretty quickly or he's gonna play a very important role.

68:53KT: Yeah. And somehow he's going to manage to do both. Okay. Before we close out this tantalizing bosom sucking of an episode, I want to talk about one of the scenes in the final episode. Mhmm. I think it was called hashtag girls get it done too. We're talking about Starlight, Maeve, and Kimiko beating up Stormfront.

69:23Oti: Oh.

69:24KT: Did you feel all of the feels that you were supposed to feel?

69:30Oti: I didn't, but maybe it wasn't meant for me. Did you feel things?

69:37KT: No. I felt like that they just put it in there just to put it in there. It was cheapened by the fact that Frenchie and were just standing on the side. So it's like they wanted to make this powerful moment, but at the same time, it wasn't as if that was they were the only people that were available. I I just didn't care for it. Like, I love the strength in women and the strength in femininity and, you know, taking down dickhead Nazi feminines.

70:05KT: Like, I'm all about that. But it was cheapened by the fact that there were other people to fight as well. And they were trying to make this bigger moment than it was. But in any case, you know, it's all of the frivolity and it's all of the fanfare, and we will be here to continue to consume it. Yep. If it hits season twenty, that that will be Oti's game. But there we have it. Wrap your love sausage around us, friends and lovers, because we are done with the episode. And

70:36KT: we will finish off in a segment we call, For Your Reference. So, actually, we forgot to mention, when we've covered things before, I do mention what we referenced earlier, and you can choose to add to it or to remove it. You reference Banshee, and I reference Supernatural.

70:53Oti: And I'm gonna reference Supernatural this time because season three is gonna have Ackles.

71:01KT: Oh, you were rubbing your hands beneath the desk, so I can't see what you're doing. But can I just say I do the same motion when I think of gents Jensen Ackles as well, my love?

71:01Oti: Do you mean Jared Padalecki?

71:01KT: I wouldn't even fuck him with your dick, my love.

71:01Oti: Oh, wow.

71:01KT: But who I would fuck with my dick is Umbrella Academy. Woo hoo. Woo hoo.

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71:27Oti: Tidus. Hi.