The Boogey Man – Man in the Mirror

Full transcript of The Boogey Man – Man in the Mirror.

0:04KT: Welcome back friends and lovers to KT and Friends, the B side, where we will be reviewing The Boogey Man, the 1980 film. Grapple with the man in the mirror and evade the kiss of death and childhood trauma. Assume the role of gaslighting husband with the 1980 film, The Boogey Man. Woo, hoo, hoo. Uh, there will be a part where we initially don't talk about spoilers, but in general, this is your warning. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. we have Brent joining us again.

0:45Brent: Hello. Hey there.

0:47KT: Home Video Hustle. Thank you. before we get into, I guess, our general sort of thoughts, I'm just going to go through the general information. so it was released in August Of 1980, director Ulli Lommel, I'm pronouncing it like he's

1:01Brent: Tongan.

1:03KT: Yeah. Suzanna Love in the trivia told me that that's his wife, which is interesting seeing the dynamics of husband and wife, but we'll get to that. and I guess we have the cuck in the corner, David Herschel. I apologize.

1:17Brent: No, that's real. That's real. That's fine.

1:19KT: It was like a little triangle. in, in regards to the cast, we have Suzanna Love, Ron James, John Carradine, Nicholas Love, as well as Raymond Boyden. The line reference, because friends and lovers, again, we are talking about, uh, hip hop in general, as well as the rap beef, but we're also talking about Direct references that came out of the rap beef.

1:42KT: This one is an interesting one because while I was able to get a line, it is also like, uh, it's, it's a recurring theme, throughout all of it. throughout like all of the discography, Kendrick and beyond. So the line reference is in the Not Like Us track, certified boogeyman. I'm the one that upped the score with 'em. Okay, well, uh, I will quickly rattle off my initial thoughts. The Boogey Man starts solid, but lack the adequate reflection to distract from the dull and more nonsensical plot holes.

2:19KT: And we will eventually talk about the parallels in the beef, if there are any beyond that. But I guess before we do that, Brent, please give us maybe non spoiler, we will get to spoilers, but please give us your general sort of thoughts on this Actually, are we calling this a movie or a film? Because like we say about song and record, they're two different things.

2:45Brent: Yeah, I don't know what the hell I'm going to call this one. This is crazy. This is all my fault too, listeners. If you're wondering like, why the hell are they watching this? I've never heard of this. It's my fault. Because I was going through all the boogeyman movies. There's actually a ton of like labeled The Boogeyman.

2:59Brent: And I think I said in the first part about repeated here, just in case you're just now coming starting with the B side, because, you know, people do that sometime, I guess. But on Home Video Hustle, I tend to like weird shit, old stuff. Mainly, I don't like a lot of whole newer movies. I tend to go to the video store days and pick out some random shit.

3:18Brent: And I saw, hey, there's a Boogey Man from 1980. And if you know me, I love the 80s. 80s is my favorite genre of music. In movies, all that stuff. So I was like, all right, we got to check this out. And then I watched the trailer and I saw that. Oh, hell yeah. Now this is the one we got to watch this.

3:34KT: Oh, so you hadn't already watched it.

3:36Brent: I've never seen, I've never seen any movie called The Boogeyman before.

3:41KT: Interesting. I thought you would watch them more and you diabolically chose.

3:46Brent: I saw the year it came out and then I watched the trailer. I'm like, This is it right here. If I'm gonna bring the HVH experience to For Your Reference, this is the one we gonna do right here.

3:54Brent: Nah, we got you something old and fucked up looking. And, uh, so, I'm watching it. And the way this movie starts, when we get into it, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be fun. Cause I got multiple, like there's, I won't say it now, fuck it, it's spoilery, but there's a lot going on. But then it, it, it has a great start and then it drops hard for a while, right? We were, we were having a good time.

4:18KT: It was, it was a very solid. 40 minutes.

4:21Brent: Exactly. And then it just, it was raps after that. And then it picked back up a little bit in the ending. I was like, I was like, what the fuck is even happening now? Like, it's crazy. You find out that basically like mirrors are killing people. I guess, fuck that might be a spoiler.

4:37KT: It is, but I did say spoiler earlier. So you're all good.

4:39Brent: There you go. But yeah, no, it's, it was, it was fun. It wasn't what I expected it to be, but it was fun. I expected like somebody coming out of the monster, out of the closet or under the bed, I didn't expect what it was.

4:51Brent: So it was, it kept me on my toes because especially like that opening scene, I was at jail watching it. Like, well, like, what the fuck is this? There's one thing in particular I wrote in my notes multiple times. I'm like, Oh, we got to talk about this. Cause this may actually tie back into the Drake Kendrick beef unknowingly. So I, I did have fun with it. I don't know if I loved it, but I did have fun with it.

5:17KT: A time actually, I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it. And, uh, I actually can't remember if we had started recording. I don't think we did, but I was talking about, uh, Cameron and Jordan referencing films that sound too wild to explain that just make me so interested. and you also, no, I think it was recorded and you also talked about a alien being impregnated by a vacuum. Cue

5:42Brent: Oversexed Rugsuckers from Mars, episode eight of HVH. I'm pretty sure,

5:47KT: but do you see how I remember that? And if you, if you asked me who the hottest actor in Hollywood is right now, I would not.

5:54Brent: I wouldn't know either.

5:55KT: Keke Palmer. I'm sorry to this man, but it's just. It's an exciting time when you tap into different films, because I think there is the, is it like a thousand and one films to watch before you die?

6:13Brent: Yeah, the book.

6:14KT: Like there's those, there's the Criterion closets of it all. Shout out to Ayo Edebiri. She was in the Criterion closet as well. I just watched that, yeah. Yeah, and then like Bong Joon Ho, very cute in there, like very cute cuties in the Criterion closet.

6:30Brent: I'm gonna get there one day.

6:31KT: You will get there one day.

6:33Brent: I will clear their ass out.

6:35KT: Actually, this might be a nice recurring question to have because Cameron and Jordan talked about how The Wiz isn't on there. And The Wiz should be in there. and also how Moonlight should be in there. But they talked about how there's a lot of black classic films. It doesn't have to be a black classic film, but is there a film? You don't need to answer it now. You can think about it and then have

6:52Brent: answers already. Whenever you want to ask, I got answers.

6:54KT: All right, shoot away then.

6:57Brent: No, when were you last in particular? No,

7:00KT: the specific question of like, what would you like to put into the Criterion?

7:04Brent: Oh, what would, oh, funny enough. I actually, it was a while ago. It was probably at the start of the podcast. I actually tweeted at Criterion like, Hey, where all the black movies at? Basically, I forget how I word it. Hey, let's get

7:16KT: it bro.

7:17Brent: Cause I'm like, yeah, we had Do the Right Thing. And for a long time, that was pretty much about it. Yeah. And that's a great that's one of my favorite movies of all time. So it's great, but I always used to joke. I never in my fucking life thought it would ever happen.

7:29Brent: But I was always like, man, they should really do Deep Cover. Deep Cover is one of my favorite movies of all time. And I look I can't tell y'all hype. I got when I saw it because I follow Criterion. I watched I got the Criterion Channel. So I follow all their shit. And I saw that announcement and I saw that Deep Cover cover and I was like, ain't no way.

7:47Brent: That's real. I was like, ain't no way they actually did that because there's a point now where they, they almost like not every month, at least every couple of months. They throw a couple in there because like, but that went in Shaft's. Oh, they didn't fucking put Shaft in there I know this one if I had to pick a movie that I know I really want in there that I know it'll probably never do Especially because it doesn't have a proper Blu-ray release.

8:09Brent: It's only been on DVD and it's out of print. I want The Mack I want that movie in the Criterion Collection. I don't think they do that one in particular. I think when it comes to The blaxploitation, quote unquote, era Shaft might be the one you might maybe get a Coffy or a Foxy Brown, maybe, but there

8:27KT: shouldn't be more than like, you can have more than one.

8:30Brent: You definitely can. Like, I'd even if I wasn't, I put Super Fly in there. Real shit. If there was a Criterion for albums, the Super Fly Curtis Mayfield album should definitely be in there. That is my favorite album. Period. Like, no, no contest. Love that record, but Super Fly should be in there. The Mack should be in there. Okay. I know they wouldn't do it, but I throw Dolemite in there. Like I, I personally, I would.

8:51KT: How good. I think we're due for a rewatch of Dolemite.

8:54Brent: Every day is a good day to rewatch Dolemite. I love that movie so much. So much so that if you look at our old videos in my Ohio apartment, I had the Dolemite poster right behind me and Super Fly and The Mack actually, not thinking about, but all of those movies need to be in there.

9:09Brent: But if you want to take it, and then I think the other one that blew my mind, I'd also Never expected to be in there. They put fucking Menace II Society in there. I was like, ain't no way. They actually put Menace in there.

9:19KT: Interesting.

9:20Brent: I bought that on day one and it was a 4K, like Deep Cover. Didn't get a 4K. That sucked. Menace got the 4K though. I was like, I gotta buy that. I got to, it's been in the collection system Dead came out.

9:32KT: It's been so long and it was like 240p on a laptop years ago. Yeah. I need to rewatch Menace. Okay.

9:40Brent: It's a good one, but also Boyz n the Hood definitely needs to be in there. I don't know how that's that's not in there.

9:45KT: That's like, Oh, actually, if we can do this now, if you remember, or we can talk about it later, your Letterboxd four, do you, do you know what your Letterboxd four is?

9:55Brent: I can actually look at it right here. I can

9:57KT: say mine while I pull mine up, but I'm pretty sure I know mine. mine is Parasite, Boyz n the Hood.

10:06Brent: That's a good one.

10:07KT: Blood Quantum, which is a native, it's a Native American film where it's like a zombie apocalypse and it's essentially reverse colonialism. It's fucking great.

10:18Brent: Oh shit. Okay. And

10:19KT: they really went the whole way with the commentary and I'm like, yes,

10:23Brent: it was on

10:24KT: Shudder. I believe.

10:25Brent: Okay.

10:26KT: and then Seed of Chucky. See? I'm fun. Seed of

10:29Brent: Chucky? That one I haven't seen. I've not seen that one.

10:33KT: Otherwise it would have been Halloween H2O. So what have you got in your Letterboxd top four?

10:38Brent: My top four is Blade Runner, Do the Right Thing, The Raid: Redemption, and The Mack.

10:45KT: Well, there you go. But that's the reason why I mentioned that is because I, I still have a lot of hood classics, which we, I have horror classics, but if you want to talk about hood classics, we can, I have a lot that I might've watched, like I watched Poetic Justice a long time ago.

11:02Brent: I don't like that movie like everybody else does.

11:02KT: Okay. Well, I guess I need to, I remember there was a lot of yappy yappa, but it was John Singleton. So I have to believe that there was anyway, but, uh, I, I still uphold Boyz n the Hood a lot as well as New Jack City. And I would, I was going to ask you, is that on Criterion?

11:19Brent: Okay. I didn't think about New Jack. New Jack definitely should be in there.

11:24KT: Yeah,

11:25Brent: that was a whole movement when that came out. What? 1991, man.

11:31KT: Or maybe it's just the HVH closet. And then you, you have all the films.

11:36Brent: I legitimately, man, when I can't do it now, because a lot of my stuff is in storage right now.

11:41Brent: But when I had my apartment in Ohio, I had one, two, three, four, five. Six, six books, cases full of Blu-rays. And so my friends, they would always joke, they'd be like, Oh man, I'm about to go to the video store, which was my apartment. Because they just go pick. That's why we did the bag on the show. Because I could just go pull movies off the shelf, throw them in the bag and have PJ pick them out.

12:02Brent: Like, I love buying movies and collecting and all that stuff. So no, I had, and I had a whole shelf that was all black films. And that's where I usually was at the most.

12:11KT: Yeah. But it's like, make sure you, you put your clock in clock out time. Make sure you turn your turn the discs.

12:18Brent: Oh, they didn't take them DVDs out of there. They can watch them at my crib, but you ain't taking it out of there. I'll burn you a copy. If anything, you ain't taking it out of this apartment. No. PJ is the only person I ever let do that.

12:31KT: Well, that, that makes a lot of sense. Also, I just want to do a call back to the Side A.

12:37Brent: Yes, ma'am.

12:38KT: So you mentioned your love for hip hop. I think you said in seventh or eighth grade. I believe I read an IMDb trivia about Home Video Hustle. About in ninth grade. Is that when you guys met?

12:51Brent: That's on me and PJ, but yeah, ninth grade.

12:53KT: See, look, I'm a super, I don't even like using the word fan anymore, but I'm a super fan.

12:59Brent: Uh, Hey, I appreciate that.

13:01KT: So, so where, so, so that's, that's essentially like the Genesis, right? Of the podcast, hell yeah.

13:09Brent: It's, it's fun enough. Speaking of hip hop shit, we met because of hip hop, because if you can't tell it, you might not be able to guess it through the microphone right now, but I very much very, very antisocial.

13:21Brent: I do not like people. Some people may not be, they may be, but I can't stand it. I worked there for years for that reason. I used to at lunchtime, I had to eat my food or sometimes I didn't even eat lunch and I would go outside to the fence. On recess and I would like just lean up against the fence, put my headphones on and listen to music until the bell rang and I go back to class.

13:42Brent: Didn't talk to nobody, didn't look at nobody, zoned out and uh, PJ was hanging talking to a group of people and I guess he's from the way he's told me he's always seen me on the fence every day. I was like, you know, what's up with this dude? Let me go holler at him. So he, he came over and like, tapped me on the shoulder and immediately my fist is balled up because I'm like, if somebody about to fuck with me, I'm about to whoop his ass.

14:02Brent: Yeah. And so he kind of was like, Hey, what you listening to? And so I kind of lowered my stance. I was like, I'm listening to Run-DMC. I had the Raising Hell album playing with Walk This Way and shit on there. He's like, Oh, yes. Can I, can I listen to it? He's like, I like this one song. He's on the album. And he started listening to it and he was like, rapping along with the songs, asked me all these questions about Run-DMC and it just blossomed from that point forward because of Run-DMC based in PJ being curious about this weirdo that's leaned up against the fence, not talking to nobody.

14:29KT: See that. See, that is a whole classic in the making. Someone needs to, you need to make it

14:35Brent: PJ. They need to, if they made a movie about like a Straight Outta Compton type movie about us, I would watch that shit.

14:41KT: very quickly, what are your thoughts? You guys have an episode of Straight Outta Compton, don't you

14:45Brent: No. We have a Letterboxd.

14:48KT: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess for our friends and lovers, just a quick, you want to do a quick thumbs up, thumbs down. Like,

14:54Brent: Oh, that's a five star on Letterboxd 10 plus on the HVH scale. I love that movie. I saw it twice. It's One of the few movies I saw twice in the theater. I've only seen a handful of movies in the theater twice. That's one of them.

15:05KT: Wow. Interesting. I just thought, I just thought they like, and we don't need to get into it, but I feel like they sugarcoated like Dr. Dre's character.

15:14Brent: Oh, they definitely did. The hell out of it. Yeah. They did. They don't show them smacking up Dee Barnes or being abusive and all that. They do it. Not that they needed to,

15:23KT: but they went the whole other way with it. And I was like.

15:25Brent: Yeah. Hmm. Hmm.

15:27KT: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I remember the performances that well, but I didn't I don't remember it fondly. So It's it's cool to know that you give it the full meal.

15:35Brent: Nah, it's again Like I said, Ice Cube's my favorite rapper. So it's always gonna be easy to get that one over on me In my opinion, that's more Yeah, because I know a lot of people look at it as like a Dr. Dre movie, but I always looked at it. I like pay more attention to Ice Cube in that movie.

15:50KT: I guess it depends on, yeah, where you are, but I will say if you like O'Shea Jackson Jr.'s performance, he had that, yeah, the Apple TV show. Oh, about Kevin Durant. Uh, Swag, Swag, Swagger.

16:06Brent: Oh, I didn't even catch that. I ain't heard about that.

16:07KT: Reggie Rock Bythewood.

16:09Brent: Okay.

16:10KT: Yeah. And with Gina Prince-Bythewood executive producing.

16:14Brent: How 'bout Love & Basketball?

16:16KT: You know what? That's also one that I haven't, like, I've watched it. No, I've watched it, but again, like 240p on a laptop.

16:24Brent: Oh, so it's been a while.

16:25KT: Years ago. I wonder, I wonder how that will go. I do get a little bit. Rewatch that.

16:29Brent: Yeah.

16:30KT: I get thinking about relationship movies, but, or maybe it's just the relationship movies like now. Cause it's like, wait, yeah, Ling. And it's like, I don't care about you. Why do I have to care about you getting together? Break up.

16:42Brent: Yeah. Just be done with the

16:43KT: movie and the relationship. But I, I feel like it would be good. I'll just, I have it in my pocket for a rainy day.

16:51Brent: I don't like it. I really didn't like that movie. And that's one of the ones that Criterion actually, that's another black movie that they recently put out here. But I was hyped for I didn't buy that one. I don't because I had never seen it until we did it on the podcast back in like what 2019. I think we did it. That was my first time watching it. And I was just watching it and I'm just like, this shit is depressing. Like, I don't know if you had to see, you said you've seen it, but it's been a while.

17:14Brent: I spoil too much. But that movie, in my opinion, does not have a happy ending. I know everybody like it's, it's made to have one and it's filmed that way. But it's like, this, in my opinion, is not a happy, I felt bad for Sanaa Lathan at the end of that movie. Cause I don't, I won't spoil, I won't spoil. It's just rewatch it and then tell me what you think about it. Cause I'm like, I'm watching the whole time. Omar is kind of trash.

17:39KT: He was really that guy. He was very distracting in Juice. I was like, what a delicious man.

17:46Brent: Oh, yeah. Not aspect me. I can see like, wait, maybe that's why she chose the way she chose at the end. But I'm just watching like, yo, this, that's a bad idea. Don't do that.

17:54KT: Yeah, friends and lovers, if you were doubting Brent when he was talking about Sexyy Red, now, now you have the, now you have proof

18:01Brent: that, it's all about the ladies. Girl, you can do better. That's how I felt that whole movie. But yeah, no, you definitely, that's an episode for, I would love to hear that episode if y'all watch that movie.

18:15KT: Yeah, I think, I think there are ones that we know we're definitely going to do. And that's why for a long time, I like how this is becoming hood classics and I've got horror classics on you, but not hood classic, but it's becoming that. that's why we haven't done Spike Lee on our, like where we do directors. That's why we didn't do Spike Lee because we knew like eventually. But then again, the only Spike Lee we've done is Da 5 Bloods and I

18:39Brent: got to watch.

18:41KT: So, but I was like, especially after the Martin Scorsese like he's cool, but like, that's your king as, as they say, but also love what he's done, especially with Criterion because we went to the Sydney Film Festival and Senegalese director. I don't know if you've seen those clips, offset been talking about, you know, Europe is not our center. Africa is the sun. Right. So I, I saw those clips before we went and watched his films, but, tying that back to Martin Scorsese, like he does a lot of work in like film restoration. So. Mm-Hmm.

19:12KT: that stuff applaud you other stuff? Yeah, sure. My guy. It, it was as, um, also, I didn't get to say my hot take and I haven't said it. I haven't said it on the podcast either. I actually like Kanye's verse on like, the, "Like That" remix. I actually liked it.

19:34KT: It was actually very good, but he was like, yo dad, I got you. And then everyone just ignored him. But I'm referencing that because. Watching the Martin Scorsese films, it was like Kanye West saying, you know, playing J. Cole gets your pussy dry. And I'm like, well, there you go.

19:52Brent: Um,

19:57KT: the Scorsese films, but yeah, it's so interesting. And I love that. Like everyone. Watches films and experiences films differently. And I think once you get, because that's what we're talking about. We're talking about like the official lists of what you watch this film and people telling you what you should like, like, this is a classic. So therefore you love it and you can't, you can't insult it in any way. And then you get to pockets of actually, I appreciate this film. I appreciate aspects of it. And then you just watch weird shit. Like there's so many different like facets to watch. And I think that's kind of what we got, with The Boogey Man. And like you're saying, there are, a lot of parallels of, I guess, so we can talk about, we can talk about Kendrick in general.

20:43KT: But there's that line. So, uh, the line again is certified boogeyman. I'm the one that up the score with 'em. And I want to hear your thoughts on the parallel. Cause you even mentioned that there's potential, unless it's a different parallel, about that. Yeah. But that specific line and how that might, if you agree, if it might tie in with this film.

21:03Brent: I know even that, that line in particular, like, you know, boogie certified boogie up to score on them because am I allowed to spoil?

21:10KT: Yeah, go for it.

21:11Brent: Because the whole movie is based on the kid ended up killing, like, their mom's, I guess, lover? I guess. Mother lover.

21:19KT: Yeah.

21:19Brent: Mother lover. And then it's basically him coming back and getting his revenge, you know, upping the score. And I was like, oh, you stabbed me. So I'm gonna make sure I'm gonna fuck everybody up when I come back and have you do it. Yeah. So I definitely thought about that. And then of course the line, you know, freaky ass niggas need to keep their ass inside because it's a lot of them motherfuckers throughout this whole movie.

21:38Brent: Yeah. I should have stayed in the damn house, which even to a point where the kids are like outside looking in the window. And it's like, that's where I wrote it down in my notes. Like, why are these freaky ass kids outside looking through the window? Stay your ass inside.

21:51KT: Are they the freaky ass kids or is she the freaky ass mom that's leave? Cause I was like, I think, why, why is your window open? That's very true. I don't know if you watch the, the Netflix series with you like that. Anyway, but that show in particular, Unless it's not true, but it seems like everyone in New York just like leaves their curtains open and they walk around naked for

22:15Brent: that's, that's real shit. And I won't even say everybody in New York. I'm going to just say, cause they haven't know how I'm gonna say white people leave their blinds open. I say it all the time. Me and PJ have, I think there's even a YouTube clip of us talking about this on the show. I never understood that. But then again, PJ, I think even told me, I never did think about that way.

22:30Brent: It's like, they got to show off what they got. It seems like because, you know, you know, you go through where we live that you ain't gonna see that. But you go through, like, there was an area called Bexley with all the big, nice houses and like the governor lived in all that. Nobody got blinds. Apparently, I guess there ain't no blind bullshit out there.

22:45Brent: But like, you know, the thing is, in that area, they feel safe and secure. They don't show off what they got. And it's just like, I never understood that because I can be a billionaire. I could be in a remote ass mansion in the middle of nowhere. I'm putting my fucking blinds,

22:58KT: locking everything up. Yeah.

22:59Brent: Blackout curtains. Nobody looking in here. So, no, it definitely ain't just a New York thing, because in Ohio, it was a lot of it out there, too. Never understood.

23:10KT: Yeah, that's interesting. And then I guess, like, if you want to parallel Drake, him, him having, like, a virtual tour of his whole mansion, and it's like, are you an idiot?

23:20Brent: Dumb, yeah, and then I wonder why somebody out there, like, shooting outside of it, it's like, well, you just let everybody know where you at, you dumbass.

23:26KT: Yeah. Like why are you pixelating it? You can see it on Google Maps.

23:30Brent: Exactly. It's like people go, if they want to know, they're going to be able to find out we in a digital age. It was like, don't make it easier for them.

23:36KT: Yeah. This isn't necessarily like directly in regards to the film, but I think it's interesting to view Kendrick Lamar as a sort of boogeyman. and I also, cause I think it's, it might be an element. Or it might be in N95, but he referenced like, say three times, you're going to see Candyman, which is not Boogeyman, but like, it's that whole notion of a protector.

24:05KT: It's, it's that notion of keeping what's like, keeping what's inside, inside. Right. and I thought that was quite, Interesting, because we had that conversation about gatekeepers and recentering of culture and, you know, where the creativity flows out and should flow back into the people, right? And I, I always think it's quite interesting because I think Drake might also have it in a line or something where he referred to him as the boogey man or like, you know, but it's also like, but he's also, I guess also Kendrick says like, he's what the culture feeling.

24:44KT: And he's also doing, he's slaying the dragons that everyone has been waiting. You know what I mean?

24:52Brent: I wonder too, because I noticed I saw you and your body language and the way you said that, like, I've heard people refer to Candyman as a boogeyman, but I saw when you said that you were like, he's not a boogeyman. You look to the side. Does it like bother you and people calling Candyman a boogeyman? I'm just curious.

25:08KT: Well, it's interesting because it's like, even with The Color Purple, you also have like, like white directors or like the most recent ones you'll have, uh, Nia DaCosta shout out to Nia DaCosta for Candyman. And then you've also got, for The Color Purple, right? So it's re it's a reclamation of black storytelling, black filmmaking. but it was interesting watching. I actually prefer the OG. Candyman, Sam,

25:37Brent: you can't be Tony Todd. Sorry,

25:40KT: I would follow him anyway. I'm so sorry. I might be a dumb bitch, but I'm going to be my victim or something. And now I'm thinking of Denzel say be my instrument. I'm just like, yes, that's right. Just tell me when don't even tell me when and where now. Now is the time.

26:03Brent: Yeah, I'm always ready.

26:04KT: Yeah, but I think, and it might've just been because of like, maybe if I had watched it when I was younger, but like watching the OG Candyman, it was so clear to me that that urban sort of myth is like a profiting off, like a, a neglection of like, it's, it's that again, like a protector of.

26:28KT: The people because it, it, it tackles like gentrification. so it isn't, I'm not necessarily saying Candyman is a good guy, but I am saying it becomes that shadowy sort of vestige that people will project onto. You know, when the real colonial evils are going on over there. So, to me, Candyman and Boogeyman are different. Did you have a thought when I, I guess, had that body language reaction?

26:58Brent: Nah, I just, like, look, because I've had a similar thought. When I, initially, when I watched the Boogeyman movie, it's probably about 10, 11 years ago. I mean, not the Boogeyman, sorry, Candyman movie. I didn't like it, initially. I love Tony Todd in it.

27:09Brent: I love him as Candyman, but I didn't like the way it was told, because basically, like I said, the whole movie is him, like, just basically chasing after this white woman. Yeah. The whole movie is about, you know, the gentrification, Cabrini-Green, you know, how he got did dirty by a bunch of racists and everything that killed him.

27:24Brent: And he got, that's how he got the name and all that type of shit. But then it's still a fucking movie about him chasing this white woman around. Yes. Wasn't really a fan of that at first. When I watched it the second time, I kind of, like, I, You can try and look into it a little bit deeper, but at the same time, I didn't think about it the first time, Candyman basically was me and PJ called a hood rule.

27:44Brent: You don't fuck with me and I don't fuck with you. Yeah. And of course, at the same, who's, who's going to be the one to do that dumb shit? It's going to be some random ass white woman that don't know, they don't get it. Like the black woman in this scenario, you know, she's like, shut the fuck up. Don't do that. And then they always got to test the waters because they think they protected. They think that they ain't going to get fucked with.

28:00KT: Not me. So

28:01Brent: they exactly. Exactly. And so the second time I looked at it from that perspective, okay, well, so it's not just him like chasing the white woman just because it was like, no, you came here and you fucked with my shit.

28:11Brent: Yeah. Like they normally do. You came here and basically tried to, like I said, you, oh, there's, there's no truth to that. And there's some type of colonizing tight way. You thought you just come here and be safe. And at the end of it, you got fucked up and had to save that black baby because you did that stupid shit. Like, I tried to look at it from that aspect a little bit more. And so I did enjoy it a little bit more the second time.

28:31KT: Yeah.

28:31Brent: And I still, I still met the case. The lemons got killed though. That was bullshit. You did. Shouldn't have did that, Candyman.

28:38KT: But that's Candyman.

28:40Brent: Exactly. But that's kind of, I liked what they tried to do with the newer one, the reboot or whatever that came out. Cause they tried to bring those parallels back into light a little bit. It was a little bit heavy handed, just a little bit, especially at that time.

28:52KT: Man's had a whole season. Scabby arm, like Viserys Targaryen. I don't know if you watch House of the Dragon, but I was like, bro, like your whole arm is dead. Like go to the hospital.

29:05Brent: Exactly. Like that one was, I liked it. I ain't gonna say I didn't, but it was a couple of ones I, man, I got you, bro.

29:13KT: Cause there was definitely more white people in the original, but the presence of whiteness is always. around because they had that white professor and he was doing this really yucky speech, right? And it spoke so well to the themes of the film. And I think in the newer Candyman, I forgot which character, but one of the characters essentially said the same thing. And I was like, this doesn't hold the same. No, wait, I'll need to find it. I was talking about gentrification. but yeah, interesting. But that's why I would see, that's why I see Candyman and Boogeyman. Differently.

29:50Brent: Yeah. I don't see, I don't see him as a boogeyman either. Like I said, if you don't, if you don't go in there and fuck with him, like he just doing whatever he's chilling, like, just leave me the fuck alone.

29:59KT: I love that. Like we just had like an Inside the Actors Studio moment right now. You're like, I picked up on this.

30:07Brent: Now that I know it, cause it was like, it wasn't like hard, but it was like, I noticed like you did the, the, the shoulder turn and the look up into the sky. Like, Oh, hold on, there's something there. Let's see what's up there.

30:17KT: Yeah, that's like, that's why I think Candyman is quite interesting as a commentary. Boogeyman kind of just does whatever the fuck he wants.

30:25Brent: Boogeyman just killing people. Yeah, it's just, there's nothing there really.

30:28KT: Which I guess you could say is the duality of however you want to view, Kendrick. But the first sort of theme that I have In regards to this, it's so interesting because we try to search boogeyman and it didn't come up because it's got a space like boogey and then like, man, also shout out to Stephen King. This we've done it before. but it was interesting to it was this one at Pet Sematary that will be coming up as well. so they're both Stephen King adaptations.

30:53Brent: Is this one? I know there is a Boogeyman with Steve. Is this one actually based off Stephen King? So I didn't catch that.

30:58KT: Yeah, I think Stephen King is also No, no, no Stephen King. I think he might have done the screenplay for Pet Sematary because I've done the shape

31:06Brent: Yeah, he definitely did Pet Sematary.

31:07KT: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think he worked on it. It was an adaptation

31:12Brent: There is a short story he made about I think called The Boogeyman it got made into a movie But I was like, I didn't I think it's a different one.

31:18KT: before we get into that, I just want to talk about horror classics and where, well, I guess what are your horror classics and where does this one, if it does,

31:28Brent: it's not up there. I'll tell you that now it ain't bad, but it ain't up there. My horror classics. If I did, I don't know if I had to do like a Letterboxd four for horror classics, Tales from the Hood. Up there, easily, no question. The Thing, the 80s version, not the original, not the reboot. That, definitely up there. Those are my two favorite horror movies, period. Evil Dead 2, and Re-Animator. That'd probably be my top four.

31:54KT: That's a nice collection, a collection that I still haven't watched, but Tales from the Hood I've added to, I don't really use the watch later feature on Letterboxd, but I added it because you mentioned it.

32:05Brent: I like all three of them and the first was the best, but I like all three of them.

32:09KT: Well, I had heard of the others, just not, Tales from the Hood. The others are fairly recent. Yeah. So do you have any, do you have any opinion on when people say elevated horror? I'm asking because I have an opinion, but I want to hear yours first.

32:25Brent: It's, it's kind of like, I guess I can't think of another term. It's basically like bougie sounding sometimes. It's like, Oh, this is elevated horror. It's like, it's just a horror movie. That's just not as dumbed down as others. I don't know how elevated it is. It's just how horror movies should be. Cause I've, I've, cause you know, that term usually gets associated with A24. And I like A24 movies. I don't love him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I forgot about them, but that's who I usually hear that going towards.

32:52Brent: Like, uh, it was the movie called The Witch or if you look at the poster, VVitch is what it looks like. Yeah, I do like that movie. And I know that's when it definitely gets that tag all the time. Elevated horror. But there's certain movies where I look at it as this elevated horror. In my opinion, sometimes it's boring horror is what it sometimes boils down to.

33:10Brent: Yeah, those are the ones that seem like pretentious and they try hard and they do all this shit. And it's like, it gets to the point where it's like, it gets boring because you're doing way too much. You're trying to, it's try hard. It's a Drake movie. You're trying too hard. It's The Heart Part 6 of horror.

33:25KT: No, I can't say I like any elevated horror.

33:28Brent: Oh, no, I like The Witch I like some of them, but it's like, there's a, there's a bunch of notes. I've tried to watch her. It's like, y'all just, it's just trying to artsy fartsy. Maybe might be a term for it.

33:39KT: I think, I think I might need to not necessarily fight you, but I think I might need to have a back to back on that record with you. But. I will say that there is a pretentiousness and it's the same reason why people say graphic novel instead of comic book.

33:57Brent: Instead of comic book, I say comic book. I don't do all that graphic.

33:59KT: But you know what I mean? Like you don't need that wankery. You can just enjoy it for what it is. And like how people say like, uh, charcuterie boards are like Lunchables.

34:11Brent: Lunchables are charcuterie boards.

34:13KT: Exactly. So, it's, it's just a rebranding, but it's the same shit and it's okay. Like, it's okay to have a Lunchable. It's okay, you know, to, to read a comic book. It's okay to watch a horror. Like, I don't think you need to put elevated horror. And I don't think I'm a wanker in many ways, but I'm not. Like I'm not a wanker when it comes to like, uh, this is like, cause like you can have some dumb shit. Like, uh, Terrifier is a lot of fun. I love Terrifier.

34:42Brent: I haven't seen those. I need to watch those.

34:44KT: It's wild. It's, it's like, if you think of like Bishop from Juice, I think something that was refreshing about Bishop was, you know, when you watch something, whether it's a TV show or a film and like the characters will just go back and forth at some point, you're like, come on, man.

34:59KT: Or like when they're just about to shoot someone and then like a noisy. Gets made and then they stop. Like, why does that stop? Yeah. Why does that stop the action? Or you just have like 10 episodes of waiting for someone to like, make a move, right? Terrifier's like that. It doesn't, it doesn't try to anticipate what's about to happen at the clown.

35:20KT: Just does whatever the fuck he wants to do. so yeah. So in that point of view, I think that's, that's kind of where I am. I'm cool with elevated. Like I loved Hereditary. Babadook as well. Love Babadook.

35:35Brent: I didn't love the Babadook like everybody else. I liked it. I didn't love it.

35:38KT: Was it because there was too much screaming from the kid and the mom?

35:41Brent: Oh, that little kid, if that kid had got killed, I wouldn't have no sympathy for the little dude, but he was annoying as fuck. I don't know what his story like, it just, It felt dull in a lot of places, in my opinion, anyway, maybe I'm just don't have enough of short entire, that's too short to just ban, but

35:56KT: I don't know. There's lots of subgenres of horror, right? There's like slasher, gore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't think elevated exists. I think it just makes people feel like they're using cloth napkins. Like. Calm down. Exactly.

36:09Brent: I've said before, elevated horror is a term that people that don't like horror movies use.

36:15KT: Yes.

36:16Brent: Because this is like always elevated horror. I'm like, just say you don't really like horror movies.

36:19KT: Like, I got a real job, mom and dad got a real job. But I love, I love the Chucky series. Like, and that's one of the most, like, I think I lean on like campy, like campy horror. Those are the

36:34Brent: most fun. Yeah.

36:35KT: Yeah. So, I think it's a lot of fun. I think horror is one of those ones that like race aside, genre, gets, gets ignored like at the Oscars and that sort of stuff where you can have like legitimate, like a stunt acting makeup effects, everything in that sort of thing. Right. But horror is a lot of fun. I think it's a lot of fun. I, I feel like I would want to hear your takes, but you don't need to bring your takes. If you don't want to share,

37:06Brent: I can give you any of the takes you want. I ain't got no problem.

37:09KT: Well, I will use an example and I'm pretty sure we'll end up doing a full review on it, but there's a Netflix series called Supacell, which is actually

37:18Brent: recently just heard about that.

37:20KT: Yeah, I won't spoil it if you haven't heard it, but it's interesting what the inspiration was, but I'm not going to say what it is, but there is a, like, there is a, emergence of particularly like black horror stories or even sci fi fantasy stories. Where it taps into, sometimes it's hard to find that balance, I think is the word to say, because even in Candyman, you kind of see that as well, of how do we, like, if we want to honor lived experience, we can, but then how do we really utilize the elasticity of the genre and not restrict ourselves to trauma?

37:58KT: I don't know.

38:00Brent: If somebody told me before that there, and it's a black person that said it, but they said they don't like watching a lot of black movies because All it is always like about black trauma. There's like not like a lot of like happy black movies. It always has. It always has to have a message is what they said.

38:17Brent: So I can't just watch like you can watch movies or like you can watch. I don't fucking know. Just for example, someone just recently watched or like the Sydney Sweeney with an air. Anyone but You movie that type of thing like just goofy bromance type thing. But there's like, you know, whenever you watch a black movie to always have to be a message.

38:31Brent: You always got to be having talking about, you know, America and how it is here in the black experience. Now, you can't just have a movie. Okay. That's just not about none of that. And then I thought about 'em, like I could kind of see what they mean by that. 'cause it does kind of pop up in everything. Like you see even, you know, sci-fi has always been a way to talk about that type of stuff, but in a way that it is passable to everybody.

38:53Brent: Like if you gonna go all the way back to Star Trek. Mm-hmm. There's a whole Star Trek episode that's basically about that. 'cause they got to dude, it actually, uh, what was his name? Frank Gorshin like. Supposed to be like mixed, I guess, because like one side is white and one side is black and it's like that whole type of thing they're trying to say. He was the logic.

39:07KT: He was the logic of the time.

39:09Brent: Yeah, exactly. And you know, that show had the first interracial kiss ever on TV, that type of thing. So it's like going all the way back. Sci fi has always been a way to try and get those messages out there. But at the same time, I can kind of see if somebody's like, look, I'm just, I'm tired, man.

39:23Brent: You know, I just want to watch something in half. I don't have to think about this shit. So it's like, I couldn't fault them when they said that. Cause I was like, if you're tired of it, you're tired of it. I can get that. But at the same time, it's like there's been so long that you couldn't get them messages out there.

39:37Brent: That's like we can do a motherfucker. We gonna do it now. Yeah, even if it's got to be on Tubi or some shit like that. We gonna fucking do it. No, just the Tubi. Like I said, cause Hey, get your shit out there, filmmakers. But I don't know, man, especially like I haven't watched it yet. But somebody told me something close to what I'm trying to say is a movie called The Blackening. I haven't watched that shit.

40:03KT: Have you seen that? We've watched it. Yeah.

40:05Brent: How'd you feel about it?

40:07KT: Uh oh. Let's

40:09Brent: get it.

40:11KT: Not even Oti's asked me. We both watched it together, obviously. I think, I think it's interesting. Um, let's see. Stop that. See, we were having fun when you were Inside the Actors Studio. Me now you're 60 Minutes in me. I think what I will say is I'm glad the film exists. You know, it's not good when you start off, when you start off saying that, like, I think I, like, I appreciated, uh, I appreciated the way that they made the film. And I also, also, I always acknowledge that I'm not the intended audience for it. So there are probably references and things that I didn't understand.

40:55KT: but yeah, I think, like, I don't, I don't know if this is going to make sense, but sometimes, watching like black and brown indigenous stuff, it feels like that it's that first and then story. Does that make sense? That's kind of how I felt about the film. I think that's the best way for me to say it.

41:14Brent: I think that's kind of like what my friend was talking about too. It's kind of like, it has to be all this. It can't just be that horror movie. It has to be all of this. And then also a horror movie on behind that type thing. But somebody had told me like The Blackening was a little bit less like that. It was kind of just like a goofy little movie that just so happened to have an all-Black cast.

41:31Brent: I got to watch it one day. I've been meaning to for a while. I just, I'm backlogged like a motherfucker right now, but

41:36KT: Okay. Just DM me. You're wrong. And I'll know.

41:39Brent: Um,

41:44KT: let's get into, I guess, the specific themes of The Boogey Man. I have superstitious or superstitions. and you know, you talked about when we're referencing Candyman, but I have, I have the broken mirror or just the mirror sort of theme in general.

42:00KT: I also put in brackets, white people shit. And the reason why. The reason why I said white people shit is because like, like very, like in my culture, like owls is a very auspicious thing. Like you don't fuck with owls, but also if you see them, that means death, like, and I guess there are obvious parallels. Because usually that means there's a message that someone's passed away, like, that's OG, like, yeah, ancestral shit, uh, which is interesting if anyone, uh, friends or lovers, if you watch Reservation Dogs, like there are a lot of native cultures that have that sort of feeling about, see everyone's staying away from owls, essentially, But so there's that.

42:47KT: So we don't, we don't fuck around with that. Right. And then there's like other auspicious things about like not washing your hair at night or leaving it wet and like not cutting it at night. And like, there's, there's lots of like sort of superstitions and that sort of thing. And while mirrors. Probably like after we were colonized.

43:09KT: 'cause then that come becomes a different thing. Right? Usually the OG like boogeyman shit is like before colonization, at least for our people. Mm-hmm. It's the same way with English. Like motorbike is motorbike. Like anything that you would think would happen after colonization, like those words are essentially just that.

43:29KT: But yeah, so mirrors, I don't know if we necessarily have a superstition in regards to that, but I know in my spirit, I would never like, why would you bring, we obviously need to talk about the whole film, but why would you bring that broken mirror, piece it together and put it. in your house. I don't understand.

43:52KT: That's why I say white people shit. And it was also funny. It was funny as well, because there was a couple of moments where they zoomed in to show like the piece coming off. And it's so funny because I obviously we have our lens and our frame of reference where we're watching the film. I saw something in the mirror.

44:10KT: And I thought it was like a hair, like, I thought it was like a trauma thing. I was like, Oh, like, see, they're still tethered and connected to the mirror because the hair is attached to the piece and now the hair is coming off. And then I saw it later and I'm like, Oh, that's the fucking string

44:27Brent: flying the pieces around.

44:30KT: I was like, okay, we'll just ignore, ignore my layered commentary about that. But yes, I want to talk about superstition. Specifically in regard to The Boogey Man and I, I call it white people shit. Cause I don't know anyone except for white people that would do that specific, bring your broken mirror back to your house.

44:49Brent: Well, I know the first thing, first, my mom would, if you try to bring some trash and I was my mom, I'd be like, get the fuck out of here, bringing that broken ass shit in the house. What is wrong with you? Best you might be able to do is take it to the garage, if you even did that. But no, hell no. I even, when I was watching the movie, I'm like, why the f I, uh, in the sense of the movie, I guess I'll put it out there.

45:06Brent: The whole thing is that she had trauma when she, from when she was a kid. The therapist, John Carradine is like, hey, you know, she needs to face her trauma. Initially, it was just going to the old house that just so happened to have that mirror there. But then she ends up breaking the mirror on some bug out shit.

45:21Brent: And then the husband's like, nah, I'm tired of this shit. We taking the mirror back home with us. You're going to deal with this shit. Damn it. That type of thing. And so he, it's kind of fucked up in a way because it's like, I mean, I get, I guess they're trying to give her to get into the trauma, but it seemed like before the mirror before she saw the mirror, she was cool going back to the house.

45:39Brent: She's like, Oh, yeah, you know, okay. Yeah, different now. It is. And then the mirror just having a break. I honestly, if he had left that mirror there, I think this whole movie wouldn't have happened.

45:47KT: Oh,

45:49Brent: it all happens because they took it back. And then the one part of stuff happened because they left one piece inside that house. But no, I would never. Hell no. I not even know some superstitions. It's trash is broke. Why are we taking in the house?

46:02KT: It's like one of those, I'm, I'm very much for therapy and healing, but it is one of those things that you never deal with. And then you go to the grave with it. Like she could have just lived a relatively happy life without having to deal with that again. And this is because we've already talked about spoilers. Oti had said, I think the twist is that she did it, not him.

46:23Brent: Not, I kind of wondered that at the end.

46:25KT: Yeah. And also 40 minutes in, I guess I was having a good time, but also. I didn't necessarily have anything I wanted to take notes with, but 40 minutes in my first note was BIG WILLY! It was after, it was after he said the, the mother lover, and I was like, hey, Big Willy, and I just wrote it down in my notes.

46:47Brent: No, Willy, Willy was tripping. I got a note about Willy later,

46:55KT: but it was, yeah, like it was interesting to, I don't know. There are just some things that just wouldn't fly personally, in my opinion, that it's like, okay, I get why there's only a white cast because

47:08Brent: yeah, there will be no black folks around that.

47:10KT: Yeah. I was just like, this, this just, it's breaking my brain. even the grandpa was like, Hey, can you make sure you pick up your piece? So he just left that piece of mirror on the floor and he didn't like pick it up.

47:25Brent: Yeah. It's like, what do y'all even with the part where Willy was in the barn and had the bag with the glass shards and it just emptied it out on the fucking ground. Yeah. And I'm like, I mean, y'all technically got the animals and shit. Why would you leave such a glass on the guy? Bugged me out when he did that. Yeah. And then they showed him sweeping, but it ain't like he swept it up. He was just generally just sweeping around. I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with this dude?

47:49Brent: That's the type of shit I'm noticing watching the movie.

47:51KT: Just, yeah, it was just so interesting. But, uh, yeah, there were moments that like the, how did you feel about the premise? of the film. I also want to say that that husband is shit. Like, I don't know how, how life would have been without him, but I feel like life was worse with him.

48:09Brent: I thought he died at the end. Like legit. I thought his eyes melted or whatever the hell was going on. Cause he's like, I thought he died

48:14KT: too. And then they mentioned him later.

48:18Brent: I think they show him later at some point too, like he, they, cause I thought his eyes melted. Then they cut back to me. It's like, then he just got blood on his face.

48:24Brent: I'm like, Oh, that was a weird looking effect. Then if that's what was supposed to happen, but, the premise of the movie is crazy, like I said, it starts out. Wow. Cause the whole movie starts out with. The mom is doing some freak shit. I don't know what type of anal king shaming, I guess. Do you, man? But the dude got on like the little, he got the, what are they called?

48:41Brent: The stocking over his head. And they about to commence the fucking apparently. And, but as he's getting on top of her, they show outside the window, brother and sister, I'll watch it from the window. And I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. Cause the way it's filmed, they didn't seem very shocked by it. So I'm like, is this normal?

48:59Brent: Do they normally watch their mama get pounded out by some dude with a stocking on? Yeah. And then I, I swear, if I remember, I think the mom said something like, didn't I tell you about doing going outside or some shit like that? So I'm like, Oh, so they have been doing this before.

49:13KT: Yeah.

49:14Brent: And I'm just like,

49:15KT: this is like, I feel like that if ever only works in Game of Thrones settings.

49:21Brent: Man, like, yeah, in the 80s, no, no, no, no, no. But I, I thought it was going to be worse though, because I guess to make sure the dude get done what he trying to do, they tied a little boy up to the bed, head, like by the wrists and feet. And I'm thinking like, oh, no, oh, no, this ain't about to do what I think it's about to do, is it? But it doesn't. Thankfully, they're just tying him up to keep him, I guess, away. Cause I thought that's going to be way worse.

49:46KT: Yeah.

49:47Brent: But the sister goes and grabs a knife though, and the way she's holding him, like, damn, is she about to shank little homie? But then she cuts him free and he goes in there and stabs the shit out of the boyfriend. I thought he was going to get the mama too, but he doesn't. It's like hitting, I think in the back, he's stabbing multiple times. And then I guess they grow old and they bang out on their mom and they go live with somebody else. I forget who they were.

50:08KT: It was auntie,

50:09Brent: uncle. Okay. Yeah. And then, yeah, she's got trauma from it. You know, she watched her brother murk this dude and the brother ain't talking no more because he just murdered that guy, I guess. And the whole movie is I'm trying to deal with it because she's having like, you know, she's having moments. She PTSD moments to do and target. So the therapist is like, look, she got to go back and deal with it at this house. And I was saying, it's cool.

50:31KT: Exposure therapy is what they say, right?

50:33Brent: There it is. And at first it worked, you know, she's walking through the house and she seemed happy. She smiled. It's not until she see that damn mirror. The thing about the movie. I didn't understand is like, what was the significance of this fucking mirror? Why wasn't the mirror specifically? Did you catch what? He didn't like killing with a piece of glass.

50:51KT: I didn't catch it at the time, but there was use of mirror shots that kept being referenced in the flashback scenes, but I don't know if that

51:00Brent: Okay. But they don't like, it ain't like they did the thing where they show him get stabbed and like you see some kind of weird vortex in the mirror, like his soul in there or some crazy shit. So I was just confused. I like why the mirror, like where his

51:11KT: like mouth is like coming out of the, you know, where like in the walls they would have like the face like come out of the

51:16Brent: Mm-hmm. Or like for the Twin Peaks fans. It's like when Josie got fucking her soul trapped inside a fucking drawer handle. If that's really happened on Twin Peaks, but nothing like that happens. So I was just confused about why it was the mirror. But then when she ends up breaking it. The pieces, I guess, all are different. The spirit is just broken apart so they can travel around the world now. And so it was grimy. I didn't expect it.

51:42Brent: And I laughed real fucking hard because that one piece gets left in the old house and it basically kills everybody in there. And there's this one little asshole kid,

51:51KT: kid being

51:52Brent: weird as fuck.

51:53KT: Yeah.

51:54Brent: And he said, well, you may. And he's like jumping out and scaring people, which is not good to do to a person with PTSD, son.

52:00KT: Yeah, but he

52:01Brent: didn't know that, I guess. The The sister? No. That kid

52:04KT: was a bit of a dick to be. No, he was

52:08Brent: but he ended up, but he got fucked up though. I was shocked. I didn't expect it. 'cause the sister ends up act, the boogeyman forces her to put fucking scissors through her throat, which is a decent, low effect.

52:18Brent: I was like, I gave her props for that. Uh-huh. And then I, I can't tell you KT, I laugh so hard, so hard. Cause the kid is like trying to fuck with her. I guess he climbs up to the bathroom window. He sticks his head through and he says, and then the window slams down on his fucking neck and killed him. I laughed.

52:39Brent: No sympathy for this little dude,

52:41KT: but

52:42Brent: I laugh because of that. But then I also laugh because it looks so bad too. Cause the window, you could tell I mean, they can't slam a fucking window on this kid's neck, but it went down so gently.

52:51KT: But

52:53Brent: it was like,

52:54KT: with Cameron and Jordan in The Wiz, I, I, I kind of, uh, I referred to Drake as like that cousin that keeps playing and like cause their mom, auntie fat and like, Like just getting beaten by the auntie and I'm like, there are some kids that just don't learn and I feel like that kid in that window was Drake. Like how many times would that kid have been given warnings and just didn't fucking listen? And it's like, good.

53:19Brent: Oh yeah, and then you can even look at it as the fact too that he keeps taunting the boogeyman and then what does the boogeyman do? Fucking murders his auntie. That's right.

53:26KT: That's why you get paid the big podcast bucks. Look at that.

53:30Brent: I wish. I

53:31KT: know I wish too.

53:33Brent: Thanks patrons. But

53:36KT: that's like, that's exactly it. Like, that's the parallel. Like, shut up. Like, be quiet.

53:43Brent: Quit being an asshole. Be antagonizing. Exactly. Sit the fuck down.

53:48KT: You got, you got what you deserved. We're talking about a kid in a movie, but you got what you deserve, little kid. No, he did.

53:56Brent: I feel no shame in saying that. He should have stayed his little ass inside.

54:00KT: Absolutely. it, it was interesting when, I think this is always interesting about horror films because it's obviously story writing, like they need to get somewhere. Like I mentioned, I think before we recorded about The Evil Dead, and how, I forgot what it was, but that book, That there was a Necronomicon. Look at you. There you go.

54:22Brent: I love that movie.

54:24KT: And I actually preferred, the first one over the second one, which I think is the unpopular opinion.

54:29Brent: I don't know. I love that. I love that second one, man. I liked the first one too though.

54:35KT: But I feel like the second one, it was the same of the first, like it wasn't,

54:39Brent: but

54:40KT: it wasn't doing anything. Cause I thought one was solid in and of itself, but yeah, it's interesting saying like the origins and we've already talked about Candyman and boogeyman. Like it's interesting seeing the origins because obviously we know we're going to get to some horror shit, but you need to set it up properly. Right.

54:57KT: So we have the notion of a boogeyman, which I don't, I would say the first 40 minutes is very solid. Absolutely. But I feel like, and I would love to hear your thoughts on this because there are a couple of things you can do in regards to, uh, like horror lore. You can make it just very specific. So, you know, Chucky was like coming after Andy the whole time. Like that was the through line. Halloween, it was, uh, what's Jamie Lee Curtis's character?

55:31Brent: Uh, Laurie, Laurie Strode.

55:33KT: The Strode, yes, yes, yes, the showdown and all of that. Right. So that aside from the very complicated diagrams, I remember when we first were, we were like, okay, we're going to watch Halloween. I remember when we first decided that I was like, what in the horror branch is going on? Like, it was such a fucking treat. But even that it had a through line. If you ignore the deviations, right? So you can, you can stay fixed on a character. And I think that was also John Carpenter trying to do something different.

56:03KT: Right. Uh, in Silver Shamrock, like, and they're like, no, you saw

56:08Brent: part three.

56:09KT: Yeah. And then I love

56:10Brent: part three.

56:11KT: Keep making me dance, waving my hands, like do the Halloween stuff we know. Right. And then that's why they went back on track, but so you can stay succinct into. A character like the Goku and Vegeta of it all, like you just stay there or you can have like a broader world.

56:29KT: I'm not even talking about social commentary, but you have like a broader world where you kind of, I guess Candyman does have like a succinct focus, but it also is, uh, like anyone can get it sort of thing, right? This Boogey Man, and this is why, and I guess. On this, but also in regards to the, the, the noticeable drop that you talked about.

56:52Brent: Yeah.

56:53KT: That's why I feel like this film, like, look, I'm calling it a film. Do you believe I wouldn't call Bobby a film, but anyway, Because it focused just on, uh, Lacey and Big Willy, right? It was just them the whole time. And I feel like maybe the studio felt like there weren't enough bodies and they needed a higher kill count because they brought some random motherfuckers out of nowhere just to kill them off.

57:23KT: I'm like, What was the point? Like we had just spent all that time because it's a relatively short film. It's like an hour and

57:31Brent: 22, I think.

57:33KT: Right. But then I'm like, why are you bringing in random people? and it kind of followed the Jason format. If you're about to get freaky, when you get, when you get topped, you're going to get topped.

57:45KT: Um, but yeah, so I think for me, that was frustrating about like the Halloween lore. Of it all because usually, you know, you know, Candyman, you know, you know, what's about to inhibit. That this was just like, he just wanted to hurt everyone, which I guess is cool, but then they, they decided that very late, in my opinion, what are your thoughts on that?

58:13Brent: They had a very light script. They had an idea for a story and they were like, because they double

58:19KT: spaced the shit out of that.

58:21Brent: That shit is definitely 18 font. That motherfucker. But now I don't know if it's still the rule today, but back then, especially the rule was to be considered a feature film. It had to be 80 minutes.

58:33Brent: So how do we spread this shit out? Well, one one glass shard just happened to be missed. And because it's in that house, the boogeyman is like, look, I'm going to have a little appetizer before I go chase after girly. I'm gonna kill these three kids in this house. It really like you said, I even thought the same thing But see that I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have had the thought if the kills were worth it Like yes. Oh, absolutely

58:58KT: Okay. So yeah,

58:59Brent: because the kill I mean you get that I did say like the one with the scissors in the throat I it was fine. You know, it was it was of his time. It's the early 80s. That looked fine Like, but then the kid, the kid getting killed was funny because the kid was annoying. But again, the kill was just a barely gently getting slammed down on his neck.

59:16Brent: They could have got a dummy for that if they want. And I'm pretty sure the third girl, they don't even show if I remember right. I don't even know if she got killed. I don't even remember because I noticed it's some weird thing too. Didn't understand it where when they get the glass shards, if they put it in the sink, it just dies.

59:32Brent: I guess it don't like water. It's what it is. Yeah. I didn't understand that because they throw it for the end of the movie. They throw this shit into a well and it dies. So I didn't get the water correlation there. So I actually, now I guess that other girl didn't die, but.

59:49KT: But it's like, yeah, like give us some rules, like give us some rules of how this world works. when it doesn't work, like there's a little bit of logic testing. I think, mm-hmm, that is missing. And you're absolutely right because for me, I do like, even without trying, I do tend to pick apart stuff, but if I'm having a good time, I don't fucking care, man. Don't even think

60:13Brent: about it. I'm having a,

60:15KT: I'm having a good time. You know? Yeah, I am. I am that person that realized in the 10 Fast and Furious films that Gasolina. Of all of the Daddy Yankee songs, I knew, cause that's deep in my high school, like that's, that's embedded forever. You know, you were talking about you standing on the fence, listening. I was listening to Daddy Yankee.

60:37KT: I was listening to Gasolina. But in all of those films, I was like, Oh shit. I was like, Oh shit. I'm telling you now, we're going to leave the cinema, but this is the first time. And imagine how many Daddy Yankee songs are in the Fast and the Furious. I was like that, but I don't care. Like I don't care.

60:54KT: And it was also Bad Boys as well, because we didn't have time to watch the films. Cause we love event watching. We love watching things. And like, as a whole sort of like consideration or whatever, we didn't have time to watch it. However, I was like, I was like, I actually don't know what Martin Lawrence does.

61:13KT: Like what his, character, he's just Mike Lowrey. They're both Mike Lowrey to me. One of the funniest things I will love forever is like her going back to the apartment that is obviously not, uh, Martin Lawrence's character being like, why do you have so many pictures of your friend?

61:34KT: It's so ridiculous and I love it. But like, even talking about that, it's like. I don't know what he did for work and it actually doesn't matter. You know, and I'm the most, yeah. And I'm the most wankery, serious film person. But like, when it comes to that, I don't care. So you're right. If the kills were fun and deserved and earned it, I wouldn't care about it. But I wasn't even talking about them. I think fine. It was the house. I will allow it. I meant the people barbecuing. And also

62:03Brent: I forgot about them. That's right.

62:06KT: I don't know how bad the economy was. But there was four of them and they had one and a little, little bits of sausage. Is the economy that bad? Like in the eighties that you could only afford one sausage, one sausage for people that have some other

62:24Brent: sausages for them.

62:27KT: That's why you forgot about them.

62:29Brent: Hey, I completely forgot about you right now. You said that, yeah, that was really out of nowhere because that whole scene was Because it does come back technically, but the kid got a piece of the glass shard on his shoe.

62:41Brent: And I guess wherever the glass goes, the boogeyman goes. And he's like, instead of just killing her, like I thought the whole plan was, it was big open lake full of water. You can drown her. You got all so many options. But instead it goes to kill these random, well not even all four of them, it just kills two of them in a really goofy ass way.

63:01KT: I think if I wasn't annoyed by the trying to figure out where the film was going, I would have enjoyed that kill. Like out of context in a different film, maybe

63:12Brent: it's, it's goofy and it's fun, but it, I didn't understand the physics of it. I guess I would say because, because I mean, the dude was about to go in there and get topped off, but then she's like, here's a noise and she's like, oh, well, let's just go back to my crib and fuck. And he's like, all right, man. picks up this big ass butcher knife that they have for a barbecue. I don't know why you had a big ass butcher knife at a barbecue.

63:32KT: And they didn't cover it or wrap it in any way.

63:35Brent: I think, well, again, that's my white people shit. I think, but

63:38KT: I was about to say that's white people shit, but you queued that up for me.

63:41Brent: There you go. But he goes back into the whip and then the knife just like floats and hovers and goes right into the back. It was actually, I didn't expect it, but it went through his mouth. Even it went all the way through on some Punisher shit, but the knife is long, but it's not so long because when she gets back in the car, She's like, yo, what's up?

63:58Brent: What you doing? And the boogeyman like butt bumps her with the door and pushes her into the blade. But the blade wasn't really long enough. It was like a katana.

64:07KT: Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Like

64:08Brent: you would need a fucking sword to have do what it was trying to do. So I was like, it might have like raised her lip. I don't think it was going to touch the back of that throat, though. So that's what I was thinking the whole time. Like, she's not dead, right? I'm like, is the movie trying to tell me that she died? Like, how the fuck did she die? Well, you know, it's,

64:24KT: you know, it's bad when you're picking up the logic to that level. Like, yeah, because we shouldn't even need to be worrying about that. And usually I don't. But when I start picking at that, that means come on.

64:38Brent: Yeah. Like, no, that, that scene was completely. Completely useless because those kids weren't even in a part of the plot. Nobody knew who they were. It just, they just happened to be at that same lake as the girl was. So it was just, like I said, that was just to make it 80 minutes.

64:53KT: I think so. I think so. Or maybe they just wanted a bit more like kills.

64:58Brent: Yep. We need to kill pace was off. We need to kill somebody who we got. I don't know. Fuck it. There's some kids at the lake.

65:06KT: It feels like a rushed kill.

65:07Brent: Exactly. That's what like somewhere is like an editing and like, yo, it's kind of boring in this part. And it's actually like only 78 minutes. If we got anything we can add, like, yeah, let's just film this. That's what that shit felt like after talk here. There's a couple of things like that.

65:23KT: I'm pretty sure this is standalone. Isn't it?

65:26Brent: There's a sequel.

65:28KT: To this, like directly,

65:30Brent: there's a direct sequel with the same actors. I saw it, same director. I think too.

65:35KT: Okay, I feel like I need to, I feel like I need to watch it, but is it kind of like Candyman 2, how people say no?

65:40Brent: I've never seen it, I just was looking, researching this. Oh, okay.

65:42KT: I will also, I will also add Oti's thoughts. Because after we, after we watched it. There was two things I said, I said, I don't know if I need an apology from Brent, but I think I do. and also, also I said to Oti, like, what are your thoughts on this? Because I, like, I'm still trying to gather together what I think and feel about it. and Oti was referencing Black Christmas. Which one? The OG one.

66:09Brent: Okay,

66:11KT: we three of them. Now. Yeah, there's three of them. Now. I think we've watched all three by now, but it's the one is the best.

66:18KT: And it's also very funny. Like, I think if you don't take yourself seriously, I enjoy those ones. but it was referencing how, because you never materialize. It's the horror villain or whatever. It's hard to, it's hard to further extend that. I agree with him, even though I love, uh, Black Christmas, uh, there were really some very foul and funny lines that I can't recall now, but that was said in Black Christmas that were a lot of fun.

66:47KT: but I get what he's saying and it's kind of like, I think A Quiet Place was like that as well. Wasn't it? Where it didn't like,

66:52Brent: I've never seen that. I don't know.

66:54KT: But the point is it didn't like show the whatever it was the horror villain or the character or whatever. do you think it would have, do you think it would have changed what you thought and felt about the film if you saw? Well, you kind of mentioned it already about like seeing him get trapped into the mirror and that sort of thing.

67:15Brent: Yeah, it would have just made more sense. Just to see why the mirror of all things, I mean, I guess they can't rip off Amityville and have it be the house, even though they do do an Amityville ripoff shot at one point in the movie. But it's just, I always want to know why the mirror? Like, why not the bed even? That's where he died at. So it's like, but then I guess a killer bed wouldn't make much sense, but I don't know.

67:38KT: I'm sure that movie exists somewhere.

67:40Brent: There's a movie called Killer Sofa. I'm not joking. Brand, I'm, it is fairly recent. I'm not kidding. When, just real quick before I, it is a Tubi before I forget, there's two sequels to this movie, sorry.

67:55KT: Okay.

67:56Brent: Boogeyman II and Return of the Boogeyman and Boogeyman II on IMDb has a 2.1 and Return of the Boogeyman has a 1.4. So.

68:05KT: Oh, yikes.

68:08Brent: If you want to go down that route one day.

68:10KT: You know what? I will also say ratings. I guess you can say whatever and which is interesting because we're technically the critic ratings, but we kind of always align with the audience. But what I would say in regards to horror, especially friends and lovers. Like, especially when it comes to horror, if the rating is six, like you're cool.

68:29KT: Like, there are some great horror films that you can watch, even that are rated like four, across the board and that sort of thing. So, uh, I, I guess, you know, for those that want to uphold the systems, I'm not one of them.

68:43Brent: Like,

68:44KT: yeah, there are some great horror films that for whatever reason.

68:47Brent: That's some of the best ones.

68:48KT: There's some bangers. Yeah. There are some bangers you can find, that are rated out of six, but in regards to the lines that were in the film, the, the moments where they were talking about like setting up the lore and the premise of it, uh, Lacey said, when I broke the mirror, I released him, which I. I wish. 'cause they didn't say much about how it worked. Right. It looks redacted. 'cause it's blurry. I

69:16Brent: know it's blurred out. Oh, it's because it shows it. But I was trying to show the killer sofa poster right there.

69:21KT: Oh. I can kind of, I I kind of saw it. That's wild. Have you watched it or you just know that it out?

69:27Brent: I watched it before. It was from 2019. A, a killer reclining chair becomes enchanted by a girl. Starts committing crimes of passion

69:34KT: because of that ass.

69:35Brent: There you go.

69:37KT: She got out of the juiciest of asses.

69:39Brent: She probably did. I don't even remember.

69:44KT: Well, to make a chair come to life. and then there was also, there was also the, I think it was the Catholic priest that said, do you believe in evil as a tangible force? I feel like, cause even when I mentioned like in Juice as well, like, I feel like sometimes they'll give lines where he's just like, Oh. So you do have the capability to have a little bit more. Why not

70:07Brent: do more of that?

70:10KT: Yeah. I'm not saying we need like a whole backstory of like the mirror, but it's like, how, what does that not bother you? Or it only bothers you when you're not a hundred percent enjoying the film.

70:20Brent: And when I'm out, if I'm enjoying the movie, I don't care. I'm not thinking about it. Or even if I think about it, I don't care as I'm having too much fun. Same thing with action movies. I know it's a similar thing where people like, you know, they always complain about he never reloads his gun or he just fell off like 20 story building and he's fine.

70:34Brent: I don't care. Like I watched Die Hard all day knowing damn well he'd have bled out them feet so fucking fast. I don't care because I love Die Hard. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Die Hard 3, him and Samuel Jackson getting shot out that fucking water pump would have probably broke so many different bones when they landed. I don't care. I like this movie. So yeah, it's the same thing here.

70:54KT: I've watched the first one and I've watched the, I think it's the fourth one, the one that has Jai Courtney.

71:01Brent: That's the fifth one. That's the bad one. That's the one I don't like. That's the fifth one. That's a Live Free or Die Hard is named out.

71:07KT: Yeah. I'm sorry.

71:08Brent: I'm sorry. A Good Day to Die Hard is the fifth one. Sorry.

71:12KT: I have a lot of time. I have a lot of time for Jai Courtney though, only because he was in the iconic. Yeah. I know. I know.

71:20Brent: I've never heard nobody say that before. I was trying to think of this. Anybody ever said that

71:24KT: he was in a, he's a, he was in the series Spartacus.

71:28Brent: I love that show. It's coming back too.

71:30KT: He's Varro!

71:31Brent: Mm hmm. That's Jai Courtney. That's, yeah, I remember seeing him all the time when he popped up in, uh, no, I think I might have saw, I can't remember if that or Suicide Squad came first, but I was like, oh, that's old boy.

71:43KT: I don't know if I would have recognized him if I didn't know his name and like knew that he was in the film. Cause he had that like curly, like really blonde, hair and spotty eyes. Yes. Are you, are you excited for Ashur? Uh huh.

71:55Brent: Hey, I'm watching a lot of that. I love that show. I love it every season. It sucked that the original Spartacus passed away on that first season because he was perfect. But I still like the other seasons, though.

72:04KT: Yeah. Shout outs to the other guy. But I was like, I know it's not fair on like the recasting because it had to happen. But I was like, hashtag not my Spartacus.

72:16Brent: He's good enough.

72:18KT: Yeah. but yeah, I have a lot of time for Jai Courtney, but yeah, I understand that he became a bit cringe in, in Hollywood, but I wouldn't lay down my life for the man, but he gets a lot of mileage from me because of that role. yeah, so I definitely, yeah, we're not going to see Jai Courtney, man, but, but I

72:40Brent: I ain't seen him in a while, ever since that Suicide Squad movie. I don't know if I've seen him again.

72:45KT: He was in one of those like teenybopper, is it like Divergent? He was in one of those.

72:50Brent: Oh yeah,

72:51KT: I've seen those. But yeah, you're right. Like, I feel like I'm, I'm the only one. Like, if I say his name one more time, I think he's going to appear.

72:59Brent: Yeah, I never, I usually hear about how boring or bland he is or something. I hear people talking about him.

73:05KT: No, because he can, like he, he delivered it in the role. So unless it goes away, I don't know, but he absolutely gave it

73:15Brent: all that one go. He can add no more after that.

73:20KT: did you have any other notes?

73:22Brent: Only other thing I really had a note for that. The last by was Willy's little scene in the barn. We choked that chick out for some fucking reason. That was a random. That was another scene where I looked at it. I'm like, this is definitely there to pad this runtime out. Because I'm like, what did this have to do? That woman was never seen before that. And she's never seen again after that.

73:41KT: No, I

73:42Brent: say, why was this here? I guess just trying

73:44KT: to get in. That's all she's I mean,

73:46Brent: oh, no. And to quote my boy Denzel in Malcolm X, that girl was starving. She was trying so hard to get that dick, but he just wasn't having it. I mean, I didn't think he was going to choke her like he did. I was like, fuck. I thought he might just like, push her away or walk away. He just choked the shit out of her. Dried that shit up real fucking fast, I'm sure. Yeah. I was watching that scene just like, what the hell did that have to do with anything?

74:11Brent: Like, where did that come from? Kind of like the scene with the kids, like I said, it's probably just there to make that, you know, hour and 20 minutes, but I was, I was just watching it, like, where is this leading? Is she going to come back? Is the boogeyman going to possess her to, and maybe she'll choke him out later. Yeah. Some type of karma, revenge, but she never comes back.

74:29KT: She just, she just never does. And it's, yeah, I was like, but I just knew that Big Willy. Like

74:36Brent: he just,

74:37KT: he was just there. I think something that Oti also mentioned was, like somehow Lacey became the main character, which made no sense.

74:46Brent: No.

74:47KT: Unless they just wanted to follow a lady, like in a film.

74:51Brent: Well, you know, that's his wife too though, the director.

74:52KT: Well, there you go. But it was like, why, but then they should have done the twist that we were saying, because then it would make sense why she was followed, why we will be following her the whole time. as opposed to a Michael Myers type, like silent, in the shadows and that sort of thing.

75:08KT: But yeah, I just, and it's one of those things where like, I can kind of understand the rating, of the film, just the general consensus that this was very not good. I get that, but I don't know. I didn't have a bad time though.

75:25Brent: No, I didn't hate it. Yeah,

75:27KT: that's usually how I am. Like, I don't, I think the, the, the things that I mostly get frustrated at are films that are trying to overextend or try and say, like, they're too, up their own ass about like, you know, the world, the world is in pain. And it's like, but do you care about everyone or just people that look like you, you know, those are usually the films that. So even if I didn't love it, like I didn't hate it, like I enjoyed wherever it decided to take me.

76:03Brent: Nah, I feel the exact same way. That's why I was, when it ended, I was thinking about it. I was like, cause you know our HVH scale, we do the 1 through 10. And I was between two numbers, and usually on the podcast, I'm like, you know, if you're between two numbers, you got to go with that lower one, because if you can't commit to the higher one, you got to go to the lower one. And like Big Daddy Kane said, "Ain't No Half-Steppin'," so we don't do half scores.

76:23Brent: It's a whole nice number. Easy to do. One through ten. And I was debating between a five and a six, but a five I normally keep. Five is like, with that being the middle, five is usually like, I didn't hate it, I didn't love it, I felt nothing. It's whatever, it's a five. And it's like, I didn't, I didn't feel nothing.

76:39Brent: It had moments I liked, even though there was some stuff that I didn't like. So I was like, I probably have to go towards a six, which would be, I guess, a three star equivalent on motherfucking Letterboxd, which is higher than I initially thought I was going to go with this. But like you said, I didn't hate it.

76:54Brent: I didn't love the ending. I know that the ending, like I said, it seemingly came out of nowhere because the, the, Somehow the priest just shows up. If there was a line dropped, I missed it completely. I just looked up and he was there and he gets stabbed in the back a bunch of times. Because like you said, the woman just becomes the lead character.

77:09Brent: I thought that I thought she died again because the piece of the mirror flies off. The mirror is going crazy as hell at this point. Just like cutting people's fingers up. And it goes up into her eye. And I thought it went through there. I thought it like, just like killed her ass. But it just, it sister like an eye patch.

77:25KT: A fucking monocle.

77:26Brent: Yeah. a better example. Yes. A monocle. And she starts fucking air, but she just keeps saying, get away, or some shit like that. And the priest takes about, it's a strong dude. 'cause he took about five blades to the back. Yeah. But he, he was still strong enough to get that damn piece off her eye and throw it in the sink.

77:43Brent: And then the husband, I thought his eyes melted off the sockets the way that shot looked. But then they cut back. So he just got a little cuts on his eyes. Fine. Don't worry about it. And then at one point, the kid runs out of the cabinet and I'm like, where the fuck did, how did kid get in the cabinet? It was a lot going on.

77:59Brent: Cause the priest died and he, they, the evil was stopped because that little monocle, he throws it in the sink and it just catches fire. And I'm like the sink, I don't even think it was full of water. So I'm like, what is it about sinks that this boogeyman doesn't like?

78:12KT: Yeah.

78:13Brent: I didn't get none of that.

78:15KT: Yeah. And I think, again, I think if it took itself less seriously, like, cause I think of Evil Dead and like a lot of the scenes in there where everything is happening, every ghoul and goblin is out, it's like, they're like trap doors everywhere. Like there's a lot of shit that's going on. but it works because they set the tone of the world.

78:38KT: this one, I, I really don't know what, was it saying like, kill the mother lovers? I don't know. Like, uh, or was it like, if you're the mother lover, go around and kill everyone? Like I don't, I

78:51Brent: don't think there was a message to be honest.

78:53KT: Which is also fine as well, but, yeah, there was, there was much, much questions, but you can keep your answers. Yeah, there are answers.

79:04Brent: I just want only two things I really want to know is why does water destroy and why the hell is it even in the mirror in the first place? Those are the two things I kept asking myself about the whole movie.

79:13KT: Well, if you watch the sequels before I do, please let me know.

79:17Brent: What is the, I'm about to, what is the plot for part two? I got to see what it says. If it even has, it's probably not even fucking really connected or something. I'm sure it wouldn't surprise me. Boogeyman II, no? Lacey travels to Hollywood to the home of a film director where she brings along the last surviving haunted mirror shard from the end of the first movie as proof to her horrifying experiences. So the damn mirror, I guess, goes to Hollywood with her.

79:43KT: Okay. Interesting.

79:47Brent: What's the, what's the year difference on it? When did it was the next year? It was three years afterwards. And yeah, no. Oh, the director actually plays a character in that one soon.

79:58KT: Oh,

79:59Brent: is it all? It's not, it's not streaming. Also. Oh, okay.

80:02KT: I think it was, I think it was better when Chucky did it when they had Jennifer Tilly pretending she's Tiffany and she's like a Hollywood star as Jennifer Tilly.

80:13Brent: Never seen that one.

80:15KT: It's got Redman in it.

80:16Brent: I always mean to catch it. It used to play on, uh, USA all the time, but it was edited, so I'm like, I'm not watching that edited shit. I just never got around to it.

80:28KT: But like they go to Hollywood, essentially. wow. I love how we said there wasn't a lot to talk about, about this film. We somehow found a way. We talked more than what was in the film. But it's, do you, do you find yourself saying film and movie? Or not.

80:48Brent: Yeah, especially in like written reviews. I say film a lot. I try and spread it out so I don't say film over and over. I got trying to alternate between film and movie. I say it a lot though. But, uh, when I went in like general conversation, I say movie more I think.

81:02KT: I feel like I unconsciously do it, like, whatever I'm talking about will, it will pretty much, it's a litmus test for me, you'll know whether I regard something or not, which is interesting because I'm calling this a film, but I think if I, if I, if I hated it, like,

81:19Brent: Oh, so that's different. Okay.

81:21KT: Probably, probably I would call Bullet Train a film because I love love Bullet Train.

81:27Brent: That was a good one. I just watched that recently.

81:30KT: Yeah, it was a bit Americanized for me, like, especially because they set it in Japan. And I believe like the canonically it is Japanese, but with what they had, I think, I think people just need to like unclench themselves and like, Enjoy film and allow it to be ridiculous and go weird places and you know, cause they have that, the whole like, like the water bottle and shit, like just dumb shit happening in Bullet.

82:00KT: That is just fun. Like, like this, you don't need to question it. Like you can just lean into how stupid and how funny and how weird. And even that is like a mainstream example. you know, we've got like, you know, couches and, and, and vacuums doing nasty, freak shit on the other side.

82:18Brent: Yo, we're on Home Video Hustle, baby. Hey.

82:22KT: And it's a great place to be. Absolutely.

82:24Brent: Right.

82:25KT: Was there any other notes you have before we get to the final recommendation?

82:28Brent: Nah, I think that's about all I had other than the very end of the movie. I was, I forgot. I was confused about that. I forgot about that. Cause the end movie ends at the cemetery where I think the uncle brave and the kid, their kid is like running around with a glass shard on his foot and they may keep showing it. But then there's just this other, there's just another random kid in the cemetery. I'm like, who the fuck is this kid?

82:49KT: I was like, how many babies? Like what time has passed? Was it a random kid? I think I think it was random

82:56Brent: because because the couple and the kid walk away and that kid is just in the background, like hovering over a tombstone. So it's just a cemetery kid. Like what the hell that was. But then you get the little sequel tease with the glass shard falls off his shoe and it starts glowing. But then now that I read that synopsis for a second, I was like, wait, that's If the fucking shard went on the shoe no more, how did it get there? Yeah, it must be.

83:22KT: And it was like, like, it doesn't make any sense. Like a lot of the things, a lot of this, I just, yeah.

83:31Brent: It makes it, if you think about it, it ruins this movie. You can't think too much.

83:35KT: I think so. but we, we were still able to, you know, you, you were able to dissect the like prodding and poking the boogeyman and

83:45Brent: like,

83:47KT: so we definitely got to the layers there. But, have you seen that clip? I don't know. Is it Love & Hip Hop? I don't know what, where the clip is from, but it's Ray J with his beanie and like every, have you seen it? Do you know what I'm talking about?

84:01Brent: I think I know what you're talking about.

84:02KT: And every time, the beanie just like moves around and like, it's kind of, if you've seen Oz with Adebisi, the beanie that Adebisi has, like it defies gravity and it just keeps changing. That's what this Boogey Man film is. Like, it just doesn't know where it wants to be, but it's just happy to be there. Keeps doing ridiculous things.

84:29Brent: Yes. Wow. It's, it's, it's kind of straddles the line between being dull and interesting is it definitely goes up and down. It's pretty much it doesn't fall too far below to be just completely boring, but it definitely teeters that line at several points. Like the camp with the teens is definitely one of those parts where it teeter that line.

84:48KT: Oh yeah, absolutely.

84:52Brent: But, and then the ending is wild, like I didn't know what the hell was going on.

84:58KT: It was, yeah, I was, ever since watching Juice, now I just, I just referenced that line. So when the, when the mirror shard fell off the shoe and it started glowing, I turned to Oti, I was like, you got the juice now.

85:18Brent: My brother loves that line. He says it all the time, too. He's like, you got to do that. Like, when we, he, I would go to get like some orange juice out the cat. He'd be like, you got the juice now. Let's shut up, Cameron. Every time you reach for some refrigerator, you got to juice now.

85:32KT: It's, it's just very applicable. You can apply it, everywhere, but Ooh, thank you so much. Friends and lovers, man. What a time Could you imagine being the one listening to this, Brent.

85:47Brent: I, I mean, I, I it's a lot of good information in there and they, they, they need to listen to it. They'll learn something.

85:54KT: I, I, I do mean to big ourselves up, but I don't think anyone would have the level of detail and analysis that we did on this Boogey Man 1980 film. so contact us, Criterion, not for this film.

86:10Brent: Yeah, no, not this one.

86:10KT: But we've, we've got some, we've got some suggestions to have. A lot of We're going to finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference, uh, where we reference films as a double feature, to watch with this because it's complimentary or better than, however you want to pair it. But what would you pair with The Boogey Man? It can be a TV show as well, but what would you pair with The Boogey Man as a double feature?

86:36Brent: I would pair a movie that it basically ripped off. I pair with the original Amityville Horror and because they're both dull. Yes, I said it folks. I did not like The Amityville Horror.

86:45Brent: Oh, that's, I would put those easy. No suggestion to put back. I would even do Amityville first and then this. Okay. But yeah, that's, it's a good double feature because it's without the, it kind of does a similar thing, but it doesn't, it explains it better. The Amityville house is just fucking haunted. And it's another movie where it's like, I think even Eddie Murphy made the joke in Delirious, reason, you know, the black folks, they go into a house and they're like, Oh, you know, it's real nice in here.

87:12Brent: We got a nice sub and everything. And his voice just says, get out too bad. We can't stay. There will be no movie if they had just left that house. But Josh Brolin was so intent on staying in that fucking house. And I'm just watching me and my brother Cameron did it on Home Video Hustle. We're just like, I can't relate to this movie because we will be gone. I do. Do we will not be there.

87:32KT: It would be a different movie. Yeah.

87:34Brent: And that's why I'm interested because there's a movie on Tubi called Amityville in the Hood. Wow. I will watch that one day. I gotta see what that is because it may disprove everything I just said.

87:46KT: Okay. Interesting. I will reference The Evil Dead because I think, like I just, I don't know how we get it back. Cause I think we're in the world of like crispy resolution. And I think part of the charm is that things weren't crispy filmmaking wise back then. But even the like, just like really extrapolating, like, Hey, we're about to do a, an effect right now, or about to get into a particular type of school. I miss that type of filmmaking.

88:18KT: And I really appreciated Sam Raimi's approach to filmmaking. It was very, Scrap and put it on the onto the screen type thing, and that is the highest of compliments in what I'm saying. And I think that's why, because it's like, I guess, lightning can strike twice, but I really, I really like the way that they bottled that approach to filmmaking with Evil Dead one. So even though people are like, Oh, you know, like, it rounded the edges and and I was like, No, I like, I liked it. I like how scrappy it was. And

88:48Brent: Evil Dead 1 is definitely the grime you're wanting. I got an actual double feature for Evil Dead 1 if you want to know if you did. Ignore this movie. There's a film.

88:55Brent: It's not made by Sam Raimi. It has Sam Raimi in it as an actor, though. Oh, yes, it's me. I think Scott Spiegel directed it. It's like it was basically the Evil Dead team. But just Sam Raimi didn't direct it, though. It's called Intruder, and uh, it's the whole movie takes place at a convenience store. There's a night shift crew, you know, the overnight crew that does all the stuff at the store, stocking and all that, and they get stalked by a killer, and it's like a mystery of like, who the killer is.

89:19Brent: And I think Sam Raimi plays a butcher? Pretty sure he's the butcher in that movie, but yeah, no, it's a real good one if you can catch that somewhere.

89:28KT: I feel like, no, I don't know if it's called Intruder, but there's a Meagan Good and Michael Ealy movie. With Dennis Quaid. I feel like it's called Intruder. Maybe it's not. What

89:37Brent: is that called?

89:39KT: It's a great, that's a film. That's a banger. That's a film.

89:43Brent: Why? While I'm here, I got to ask since you just brought both of them up. There's that video.

89:48KT: They made, yeah, they made a cinematic meme history recently. Yes. Yes. I even forgot that we're in the movie. I just remembered that. Like I've even forgot they had a movie together when that clip happened. I feel like you're talking about the clip we're talking about.

90:02Brent: Yeah, that movie is called The Intruder. So that's that.

90:06KT: See, but it has the word Intruder.

90:07Brent: Mm hmm. That's all they did was add the in the front of it. But now there's that clip that came out with, uh, it was her and Jonathan Majors and Michael Ealy and he came up and like grabbed her and hugged her super hard and lifted her up in the air. Everybody been talking about that online. How do you feel about that one?

90:21KT: I just, I just thought that was funny. I just thought, I thought, and also like, I don't know if you've been seeing, cause I think they had like BET after parties and they were talking about the way Jonathan Majors has been dancing and they were, Cause I don't know if you've seen, like, there were tweets in the past saying he has like a civil rights face.

90:40KT: Like, so they were saying the way he dances is like that. And there was a tweet saying that he's dancing. Like he's got moonshine in his pocket. So I was thinking of that. And then, so when the hug happened. Oh, like I know people say Trey Songz, but like Michael Ealy really is Mr. Steal Your Girl. Like don't,

91:01Brent: yeah, that's what I was saying.

91:03KT: You know what I mean? And I was like, you know, what's also really funny. And this is a deep cut. And this is also a gift friends and lovers, if you've stayed this far, but I remember telling Oti because obviously I'm always on Twitter and Instagram. So I always see stuff. I don't know if you're watching the new Power.

91:20Brent: No, I still got to finish the old Powers.

91:21KT: Well, yeah, it doesn't matter. But the point is like, Oh, my God, I said, Oh, my God. but yeah, I mean, They had like a new guest star, and it's Michael Ealy. But when I was, when I was like messaging Oti, I was like, Oh, like, there's like a really exciting guest cast, like member coming on to Power Ghost. And I was, and he was like, who? And I was like, Oh, well think like, same time, as Omar Epps, light skin, green eyes. You want to know what Oti said?

91:49Brent: Who'd he say?

91:50KT: Morris Chestnut. Like?

91:51Brent: Light skin with green eyes.

91:54KT: Like so.

91:56Brent: Last person I'd have thought of.

91:59KT: Exactly. Like what's, what's going on? no, but Mike, Mike, and he's even doing that. He's doing that in, uh, the Power Ghost show where it's like, is he about to fuck him? Like every time he's on the screen. but yeah, I just. And everyone's like, he's not a great actor because he'd just be stealing people's

92:18Brent: women.

92:19KT: That's not even acting at that point. I don't know, like if people can get deep about it, but I just thought it was very funny. Like, and have you seen the memes of like, as soon as they're hugging, like Jonathan Majors is looking inside his bag.

92:32Brent: Like fidgeting. Yeah.

92:33KT: And people's like, there's nothing, you know, there's nothing in that bag. And then I also said to Oti, I was like, what would you do? Like, if this like happened, not Michael Ealy, but just like, yeah. Not even the equivalent, but if this were to happen, what would you do without like, as Denny's like, Oh, I'm, I'm hugging Michael Ealy. I'm getting one too. We're all hugging each other now. Yeah.

93:05Brent: Bring that ass here, boy.

93:07KT: What did you think?

93:10Brent: Oh, I just, I was like, I know there's some nefarious intent in the back of his mind. He like, just let you know, like, Oh, I, it could happen if I wanted it to, I just want you to know That's because I've seen that in real life.

93:21Brent: I've seen dudes do that in real life. Like kind of be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause there was actually a parody video I saw where somebody had recreated it and they had to be, he just kept picking her up over and over again. He just kept every time he did, he was like staring at the dude's face. Like, yeah, yeah.

93:36KT: People are so quick with it. Like

93:38Brent: instantly, man. It's crazy.

93:42KT: But yeah, I, that's a lot of fun. Like, I think it's like, it's always moments like that, I think. speaking of fun moments, what, what, what's going on with the podcast? What's coming up potentially HVH radio? Like what have you got going on and where do we find you?

93:59Brent: All right, well, as you're recording this, the episode we're doing next, which will probably be the one that's out when this comes out, is we've been watching a movie called Gangsta Rap: The Glockumentary. It's the next movie coming up. Wow.

94:13KT: Where are you watching that?

94:15Brent: I have the DVD technically, but it's streaming on Amazon Prime and Tubi, I'm pretty sure. But Amazon Prime ain't got commercials.

94:23KT: I also saw another tweet saying that Tubi is what BET thought Tubi was. It was going to be

94:28Brent: a that's what they think. BET+ is that nobody no pays for. But, Oh,

94:37KT: sorry. Sorry. Just quick. Do you remember that story about, that woman that called 9 1 1 and the highway and the baby? Yes, during that situation. Sorry. I don't remember any. but there was a Tubi film, like they made a Tubi film about it. And I don't know why, but every so often we will just reference that cover. We never watched it, but we'll just reference the cover because there's like a toilet roll there. There are Cheetos or some sort of like cheesy snack that's on. Like, it's just. Like beautiful art,

95:08Brent: that same director did a movie, I guess, based on the Megan Thee Stallion and Tory Lanez is called like the rapper who got shot in the foot or something like that.

95:18KT: Oh, I heard, I heard about that. I haven't seen it.

95:20Brent: It's like, that's just his little gimmick. I guess it's like make meme movies, I guess, for lack of a better term. But yeah, I've never seen either one of them. But I've never seen Gangsta Rap: The Glockumentary, but there is a clip from it that has like been memed out a lot. I won't repeat it or play it on the podcast, but, but it's, it's, uh, it's, you ever seen the movie CB4?

95:45KT: No.

95:46Brent: You ever seen Fear of a Black Hat? No. Well, these references go over everybody right now, but no, there's like CB4's old Chris Rock movie that was kind of making fun of gangsta rap. Where they kind of played, there's a clip of, uh, Allen Payne going, I'm black, y'all, and I'm black, y'all, and I'm black, and I'm black, and I'm black. That comes from CB4.

96:05Brent: Cause this is just a rap group that's trying to, it's kind of what we were talking about before. Kind of the Drake thing they do. Cause they're, they want to be rappers and like gangsta rappers, the thing. So that's, they basically perpetrate the gangster, I think, to get famous. Kind of like, kind of taking it back to the Drake thing.

96:18Brent: That could have been a good movie. I didn't think about CB4 now, but. But, it's basically a mockumentary where it's like follows a gangsta rap group that's like past their prime and trying to get back in the spotlight type thing from what I understand. So that's what's coming up on the Home Video Hustle podcast.

96:32Brent: But, we put out episodes every Friday. We got a Patreon page at Patreon.com slash Home Video Hustle where we do different things, you know, just. Whatever the patrons want us to watch, we got different tiers. We got the 1 tier. We got the 3 tier, 1 tier to make us watch a movie once, 3 tier you can do it as many times you want.

96:49Brent: As long as we are existing there. Yes. That cycle continues. And, uh, we actually did. Well, I always want to say Princess Mononoke. That's not the fucking movie we did. What is it called? Spirited Away. Spirited Away. Thank you. That's the one that KT made us watch. You got another one coming sometime here in the near future.

97:06Brent: But anything like Home Video Hustle, I tell people all the time, we're not a bad movie podcast. We're a movie podcast. I don't give a damn what we watch. We watch good, bad, weird, extremely hard to find. We watch Song of the South. So we watch racist movies sometime, but Song of the South is rough. I don't recommend it. Listen to the episode. Don't watch the movie.

97:23KT: I honestly don't think I need to like that. Dances with Wolves, but you know what I mean? Like there are some films that I just know, I don't need to, it's none of my business. Like

97:36Brent: the song itself, I only did because it's been a running gag for years, but it's the truth. I'm not a big fan of Disney movies, which is why I had never seen like Spirited Away or anything

97:45KT: Of course, that's the one you watch.

97:47Brent: And I was like, I told PJ, I'm like, Oh, you want to watch a fucking Disney movie? Let's all right. Let's test how much you love it. And I, at the time I felt bad because there's a YouTube video where you can watch it and you can see my, his heart breaking as that movie went on. He's felt he killed him.

98:03KT: That's the Ralph, the Ralph from The Simpsons when he's like heart breaking.

98:08Brent: You can pause the YouTube video in slow motion and watch the moment his heart breaks. And I felt bad when I was editing that at the time I was laughing my ass off. Cause I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you. And then I was like, Oh damn. I made my boy sad as fuck.

98:24Brent: But yeah, that's what I'm saying. We can do it. Like we've done that Lord of the Rings, Oversexed Rugsuckers, Star Wars, like it's all over the place. We just watch whatever we've done. Deep Cover, Love & Basketball. Every, for every, uh, February, March, we do all black movies. Every October, November, we do all horror movies.

98:40Brent: So those are our big theme months that we do. But yeah, you can follow us on all the social media outlets. I have to say this because somebody will get mad at me if I don't. You can follow us on Twitter at capital H, capital V, capital H, capital P, lowercase i cast, HVH podcast on Twitter. Home Video Hustle podcast on Instagram.

98:57Brent: Home Video Hustle on Facebook. Home Video Hustle on YouTube. Home Video Hustle on TikTok. Home Video Hustle on Bluesky. Home Video Hustle on Threads. Uh, we're on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Podbean, Google, Google Podcasts. I forgot is about to not exist anymore. So don't worry about them. YouTube, everywhere. If you legitimately just go type in Home Video Hustle, we out there. There is no other Home Video Hustle. We are the Home Video Hustle. Goddamn.

99:21KT: is there a reason why the Twitter one is HVH?

99:24Brent: Uh, because I hope it also I think might have been too long, I think, at the time. And the running thing of capital H, capital V, capital H, capital P, lowercase i, I did that in the first episode, not knowing that people would love me saying that. I didn't think that I would catch on. Yeah. So now legit, if I don't say it, people are like, Oh, you forgot to say it in the episode. I'm like, Oh shit, my bad. Like, Go back and edit it in.

99:46KT: And then you put it back in. That's so interesting. Like, I love how we just keep talking, but very quickly, when we started, like, obviously, cause you need to do your socials when you're setting up at your RSS feed, peep game, friends and lovers. If you want to do a podcast, if you haven't already, so you have to do the socials and stuff. So we actually started with FYR pod, which is kind of like our website. Right. And that's why I asked about HVH pod. And it was interesting because our first episode was Black Panther, right? So I was trying to like, you know, just like interact.

100:19KT: So there's ways to like, you can blast those retweet groups, which I'm not really a fan of. Yeah. But there's also. Like you can engage with just like content, like, and people will just see your Twitter account or whatever. And it was hashtag Black Panther. And I remember I was like, just commenting. I don't think I was even commenting about like the podcast.

100:40KT: And then it was like, and I know like the avatar might not reflect the person, but it was a picture of a white person. And they were like, nobody cares. And we're like, Hey, it's like, and they blocked, like they got out, like whole handle, like. Cause I guess we didn't have enough followers and we've like, we probably came off as like a bot account. So that's why friends and lovers, the hurt in my heart. That's why we don't have FYR pod. That's why it's for your ref pod. Just got taken down.

101:13Brent: Fucking internet trolls, man.

101:16KT: Just, you know, I was just trying to talk about some vibraniums.

101:22Brent: I've had a couple of those encounter. It's funny, you know, as we talk about for like legitimately like every Juneteenth every MLK Day, you know, always make a post got to. Yeah. And one year I made the MLK post and some little racist asshole said something in the comments like out of pocket.

101:39Brent: And I was out and about. I'm living my life. I'm not paying attention to it. I'm kind of like Kendrick Lamar. I'm not looking at that shit all day. But I came back and my phone was going crazy. And shout out to my boy, Brendan, from like, What Were They Thinking? Podcast and even Morgan from Bad Reception podcast, my mind blank.

101:57Brent: They were eating that motherfucker up while I was gone. They had my back on that shit. And I was just reading through all that. I didn't even respond. I was cracking. Actually, I did respond. I just put like the the camera on you, Matt. Yeah, I was laughing at everything. But it's like that shit real out there.

102:16Brent: You just trying to post your episodes or make your post and it's like somebody got something dumb to say. Every, legitimately almost every time I make one of those posts, there's always somebody that pops up. Yeah. Cause I think those people legitimately just click that hashtag and see who they can annoy. Yeah, exactly. Like no life type shit. Absolutely. Twitter had my back, though. I was like, I appreciate that.

102:38KT: Yeah. And I guess the lesson of the day, friends and lovers, is be a hater. Don't be a troll. You know?

102:46Brent: There you go. If you're going to hate, hate. Don't be scared and do it behind closed doors, my boy.

102:51KT: Exactly. But that's all I have for you. Do you have anything else, Brent?

102:57Brent: Thanks for having me. I got to talk hip hop for hours. I can, that's wonderful. I usually get the, when I get the call to do podcasts, I'm talking about movies. I got to do both this times. I can do, that's why it's been four hours, 20 minutes and 53 seconds on my mixer.

103:11KT: There you go. And yeah, I, I've got the same as well, but thank you so much Brent for coming on, and sharing, sharing all the knowledge and also learn it about film as well. Like I, I just enjoy hearing you talk, like, again, I could listen to you talk about film and also hip hop, like for hours. And I appreciate you coming on to, our podcast and you, you, you say it's just fun and it is just fun, but I also appreciate.

103:38KT: What you do and the space that we're in and like, honestly, flowers, love and Splooshies to you. and also because you are the person that does everything like podcast wise, I do a lot, but I don't do everything. So, yeah, but thank you so much for your time. Like, I really appreciate it. And obviously we'll continue to chat about a whole lot of, Other bunch of shit.

104:04KT: So thank you for joining friends and lovers. We will be back again because we can talk about the rap beef over and over again. and I guess sometime in the future, whenever that's going to happen, because Home Video Hustle is booked and busy. So whenever we get to that Miyazaki, uh, Ghibli run will be great. Yes. thank you, friends and lovers. And we'll see you next week. Bye.