Rush Hour – If the Moo Shu fits

Full transcript of Rush Hour – If the Moo Shu fits.

0:00KT: Good day. How are you going? I think these enclosed spaces are bringing out my Aussie accent, don't you reckon? That's how you always saw me. Damn dumb. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back. We are starting off with your phrase or mine. And wouldn't you know it, Oti is the somewhat wide sage.

0:22Oti: Always the wide sage.

0:24KT: The wide sage. Yeah. I like them thick.

0:30Oti: That's only flavor they come in, mate. Alright. So this phrase is from a Rush Hour movie. I'm not gonna tell you which one. Oh. So you'll have to guess which movie it is, and you'll have to tell me what it means or what you think it means anyway. Alright. So here it goes. A donkey's lips will not fit on a horse's mouth.

0:56KT: I didn't know you were ready to share your epitaph. I think I used this as an answer for another your phrase or mine, and it's uggos should stay with uggos and only hot people should kiss other hot people. Bloody hell.

1:14Oti: I really don't think they're going for that, but you know what?

1:14KT: Oh, and which Rush Hour movie did it come from?

1:14Oti: The most recent one, dude. We literally just watched it.

1:25KT: Just in your memory, mate. And I guess also at the same time, dumb people should only kiss dumb people. Let's get on with the show. Butts all together. Hey, friends and lovers. Welcome back to For Your Reference. You got your host, KT.

1:25Oti: And Oti.

1:25KT: Oh, you just caught me with a big gulp of wine, but I survived because I'm brave.

2:10Oti: Yeah. Too brave.

2:12KT: Acquire your FBI headsets and have your hands empty for some supple moo shu as we head into traffic with the Rush Hour franchise, motherfuckers. And,

2:25KT: you know, Sisqo's been around in quite a few soundtracks, but how deep is your love, Oti? Tell me what it's gonna be.

2:25Oti: Too deep. You know it.

2:25KT: Mhmm. Welcome, welcome, welcome, friends and lovers. What a time Mhmm. In the best of ways and also in the worst of ways.

2:47Oti: Do that.

2:48KT: And you know what? It is quite relevant. All of us are experiencing some sort of rut, Oti and I have literally just moved. So all of those sort of usual stresses as well as the world's falling to shit guys and a handful of dickheads just can't be. Right? So recently it's been hard for us to watch and enjoy stuff. Yep. If we're watching something, it's too light and it's not grabbing our attention or if we're watching something that's too real to the real world, it's hard to get into as well. And the shining

3:28KT: beacon of Jackie Oh, Chan thank you.

3:28Oti: Oh, and Chris Tucker.

3:28KT: Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. We fucking love you guys. Hold yourselves because you shouldn't be as Arrested Development, no touching. Right? So, you know, keep your love to yourself. It's all about self love until we can get out into our spaces and touch everyone's holes. If you've listened to our Bad Boys episode, if you've listened to our John Wick episode, it will follow that sort of format. So we have quite a lot of stats. We are covering the holy trinity

4:11KT: of the Rush Hour franchise. There is a TV show that Oti and I did try. It came out in 2016, and we actually tried watching it back then, but you completely forgot what you did.

4:11Oti: I did. Yep.

4:11KT: And then we tried watching it after Rush Hour too because we didn't wanna end on the TV show because life is already unfair. We needed to have some sort of happiness. We got five minutes in. So hashtag Rush Hour TV challenge. If you can get further than five minutes,

4:48KT: good for you. There is no reward because again, you spent more than five minutes watching that monstrosity. So let's quickly go into the stats of the three films, and then we'll get into first impressions, Oti.

4:48Oti: Oh, yeah. Sounds good.

4:48KT: Alright. So Rush Hour. The first Rush Hour came out in September 1998. I feel like mid to late nineties was like the golden age of buddy cop sort of films. Not to say they didn't exist before then, but, you know, obviously, we talked about Bad Boys that came out a few years earlier.

5:30KT: You know, Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, all the sodium lovers, go and listen to the episode. You know, you really have juggernauts and you have dynamics that you wanna see in that buddy cop sort of format. I'm not sure aside from Brett Ratner that wanted to have this dynamic, but four chef kisses.

5:50Oti: Oh, yeah. Four quarantined chef kisses to everyone because it was pure magic.

5:52KT: It was pure magic. Like I mentioned before, Brett Ratner, these characters were actually developed by Ross LaManna. Mhmm. And then we also have Jim Kouf as a writer credited as well. Again, Oti only allows me to Google sell to be able to credit the writers. So I'm sure there are more people that contributed. In regards to Rush Hour, it came out in September 1998 Oti.

6:25Oti: Oh, wow. Is '98 was a good year.

6:25KT: Was it? Yeah. Okay. I'll have to

6:25Oti: We're preparing for Y2K. So if you don't remember that. Jesus.

6:34KT: I slept through the millennium. Can I just say? I wasn't a wee baby Seamus, but I was close. The budget for the first Rush Hour, Oti, $33,000,000.

6:47Oti: Oh.

6:49KT: Quite nice. Yeah. Quite tight. The worldwide gross from a $33,000,000 budget was $244,700,000.

7:00Oti: Woah. Yeah. Woah.

7:03KT: That is a lot. It really did well. I guess maybe as like a bonus, we can do like all of the buddy cop films that failed that you thought would have done well but this wow, just completely blew out of the water. Interestingly enough, I correctly said that, Rush Hour 2 came out in August 2001 so there was a three year gap. Unless that was like the normal amount of time it took to take a film you would think that they would you know in these days they milk everything

7:37KT: every franchise for what it's worth so like before you have time to wipe your ass if you'll pardon the sad timely pun, there's another there's another sequel coming out. You know what I mean? So three years. Wow. So we still have Brett Ratner. We still have Ross. And then we also have Jeff Nathanson. The budget for the second Rush Hour was $90,000,000. That's almost three times the initial budget.

8:05Oti: Yeah.

8:06KT: It grossed worldwide $347,300,000.

8:11Oti: Get out of here.

8:13KT: Get out of town.

8:15Oti: Yeah. Well, it's not even surprising. People knew what they were gonna expect and they got it to unsold.

8:22KT: Yeah. Yeah. I I we can talk more about it as the episode goes, but I really didn't see the need to up the budget. Like, what they had was magic. Not to say that the the rest of the films, like, two and three were bad, but I like, for me, everything worked in one. But I get that as you have successes, you can have a bigger budget, And that's a little baby qualm. It's not a foundational qualm. I'm happy KT, so we're not going to have little gripes over nothing.

8:53KT: There was something you mentioned in Rush Hour 3. Oh, was it was spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, I guess. It was when there was a callback to a previous scene about Chris Tucker saying that Jackie Chan only eats rice and he's constipated. And then later on in the film, he says, I'm not constipated anymore. And Oti is someone that doesn't notice a lot of things. He's not he's not petty to, like, acknowledge a Starbucks cup in a Game of Thrones sort of episode. But where he took qualm was there was no brown surrounding. Chan in the pool.

9:38Oti: If you're gonna use the words, you might as well go for it.

9:43KT: Yeah. Because you're a shit talker. Hey. Jesus. You made no comments about continuity or anything or accuracy until that moment. Yeah. The world's clear. What gives? Well, Jackie Chan is ethereal, so I would believe that he does clear poops. Did I just start a rumor? Who knows? Come and fight me. So, yes, we have Rush Hour 2, and then Rush Hour 3 came six years later.

10:15Oti: Boom. Six.

10:17KT: Six. Yeah. You feel like you're in a kung fu movie.

10:23Oti: Just channeling my inner Chris Tucker.

10:27KT: Ip Man, the deleted version, Oti. Oti's Adventures. So in Rush Hour 3, obviously, have Brett Ratner. Like I mentioned before, August 2007, the budget Oti. So the first one was 33 mil. The second one was 90 mil. The third Rush Hour was $140,000,000. Why?

10:54Oti: Woah. It didn't need to be. But again, this is You could tell that they spend a lot in practically fences, garbs.

11:00KT: Oh, totally. Totally. But again, friends and lovers, that doesn't get me off, unfortunately. But yeah, that was a lot of budget. And then the worldwide gross for the third Rush Hour was $258,000,000

11:18Oti: Oh, so they didn't really rake that in as much?

11:20KT: Not as much. It made more than the first, but significantly less than the second. But also at the same time, feel like people didn't know what they had going for them. Unlike Bad Boys, which has spanned like three decades. But again, go and listen to that episode. So thank you guys. We love you guys.

11:50KT: I'm feeling like, you know, maybe you don't need to hear it and that's fine. I can shout at you and it can be just as pleasurable. But I don't know. I feel like at this time, it's just nice to give and express love. Oh, yeah. It's lovely.

12:04Oti: It is lovely. Too lovely. I even forgot how lovely it was until I rewatched it.

12:12KT: Right? So let's do it. Let let's get into first impressions. I am handing the reference baton to Oti because he is the honorary of this podcast.

12:22Oti: Yep. Wow.

12:26KT: Okay. I I tried to compliment you with Usain Bolt years ago and you you did not care for it.

12:36Oti: Context

12:36KT: me. Alright. Good on. Yeah. So first impressions, I am passing the baton onto you because you are the honorary residential expert in this franchise. So where were you in your life? When you first watched it, what was the experience like? If you want to, you know, pull in the overall sort of buddy cop, you can do that too. And just how how did you feel overall watching this series?

13:04Oti: Oh, I loved it. I loved it so much. You know? Back then, I was, I think, into all this sort of martial arts movies.

13:14KT: Okay. Oti is also the lost member of the Wu Tang Clan.

13:22Oti: Does

13:23KT: she know that? Oti Dirty Bastard.

13:30Oti: There was I was really into a lot of martial art movies back then, you know, from Tai Chi to whatever.

13:39KT: I feel like tai chi is what the old ladies do at the park.

13:43Oti: You've not watched martial arts movies until you've accepted the glorious form of tai chi.

13:51KT: Okay. Because you mentioned it and I showed you on a Google search, yet you continue to reinforce that tai chi is some badass super things that we see the white women do in the box.

14:01Oti: No, mate.

14:06KT: No. That that's yoga with their leader, Gwyneth.

14:11Oti: Goop or what is it? Goop. Whatever they're for. Put some spices on that. Whatever she calls a product. But, yeah, I I really love this movie. It just brought it I was young, so it was all for my brother, and he would bring all these movies. And I just remember myself creaming my pants and thinking like, Jesus. Oh my. I watched this so many times.

14:38KT: And I'm gonna believe that that cream was a reference to Wu Tang, but anyway. Of course. You've got like some counterfeit Wu Tang in Kenya.

14:50Oti: They originated from Kenya, if you didn't know. Baby, I like it cooked. Anyway, it was it was so great watching this. Like, you don't get this there is Lethal Weapon with Mel Gibson and then go and you love that. You know?

14:50KT: I haven't watched it either.

14:50Oti: Far out, man. Well, we've got a lot of time now. So Okay. It just brings a lot it brought a lot of memories, and I feel like at that stage, I thought, okay. This was one of the best things I've ever watched.

15:31Oti: And growing up and becoming older and even now, I just didn't think that there's anyone living who's not watched Rush Hour. To the point that in the ten years we've been together, I've never brought it up just because I thought, mate, you've seen it already. Damn. But of course, you know, you you just have to raise the bar on how you want to surprise me. Being ignorant.

15:53KT: I'm so ignorant. That's ignorant. That's a South Park reference. And how dare you use this podcast to shame me? It's what we do.

16:06Oti: If I'm not here to, you know, shame you

16:09KT: for the Sexually.

16:12Oti: And sexually. What else is my purpose in life?

16:16KT: I ask myself that every day. Like, was it was it a family affair? Like, did the family, like, sit around, have dinner, and watch the film, or was it more like you and your siblings?

16:32Oti: Me and my brother and his friends.

16:34KT: Okay. Yeah. After or before the blue movies?

16:39Oti: I think in between. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

16:43KT: Go and listen to one of our episodes, we mentioned blue movies, in our Reference Degustation. And if this is the first time that you're listening to us, those words don't make sense, But the pleasure and confusion is free gratis. Going back to first impressions for me, I had never watched Rush Hour.

17:08Oti: Oh, dear Lord.

17:10KT: Right? It was always there. People like to play a game of how old is KT? I was not at an age that I would have even understood the movie in 1998. That's about as much as I'm gonna give you.

17:31Oti: I was Now people are thinking, this guy's summer, a 50 year old age age difference.

17:40KT: Well, you know what? Like, countries are worlds apart. Let's just say.

17:46KT: Oti is still waiting for me

17:48KT: Oti is still waiting for me to, like, be a cast of Neighbours, which is never gonna happen.

17:54Oti: A man can dream, though.

17:56KT: Yeah. And that's what you choose?

17:59Oti: Question mark? Mate, grew up watching Neighbours and wanted to meet Hannah and Billy and Lou Carpenter. Can't can't even believe I remember these people, but, you know, I I just thought I'd come here, and I'd see them on the street. I'm so disappointed that that's all the case.

18:18KT: I don't see Lupita when I go to Kenya.

18:18Oti: You've not checked hard enough, mate.

18:18KT: Oh, is it Edi Gathegi?

18:18Oti: Edi Gathegi.

18:18KT: Yeah. That's what I said, mate. It's my Aussie accent.

18:18Oti: Yeah. There's some Kenyan stars for you friends and lovers.

18:18KT: Yeah. So I never I had never watched the Rush Hour movies. Join the Twitter thread where everyone is like shaming me in there, but watching it for the first time, wow.

18:53KT: And it couldn't have come at a better time when everything's falling to shit and we're trying to deal with moving and all of this fucking bullshit. This was pure joy. It just worked. Everything just worked. So let's go just generally talking about the film. I feel like this film was like happiness in a bottle,

19:19KT: especially

19:20KT: the first movie in like, the first installment in this franchise. It just worked so well. Brett Ratner was quite a big fan of Jackie Chan Mhmm. And his filmography and, obviously, his stuntmanship and just him as a ethereal being. Mhmm. So he wanted to bring him to American audiences. Yeah. You know, even some of the running gags that you have with Jackie Chan's characters that he's played in Hong Kong sort of cinema, he would redo them, for American audiences. So when he accidentally, in quotes, accidentally, touched the breasts of that beautiful

20:03KT: leire, that was also from one of his previous films as well. So there's a lot of there's a lot of respect. There's a lot of love, and there's a lot of understanding. It was always going to be Jackie Chan. You know? It was just trying to find who that next person was going to be that was going to work well with Jackie Chan. Do you wanna hear who the other choices were?

20:27Oti: Tell me. Tell me. Yep.

20:29KT: So Martin Lawrence was the original choice for Carter. Right. Eddie Murphy was offered the role, but he turned it down to make Holy Man.

20:40Oti: Holy Man is a good movie.

20:42KT: I have not seen that either. Alright. I'm not black guys. Okay?

20:49Oti: You don't need to be black to appreciate good movies, mate.

20:52KT: Really?

20:56Oti: Just saying.

20:58KT: Because, you know, just just because you're black doesn't mean you need to, you know, jump up and down when you see Kelly Rowland and Freddy vs. Jason. Oh, well. That is not for the culture, I'm sure. It is for the culture. Are you gonna put it in your Excel spreadsheet? Yeah. Okay. Cutely enough, we do have a Freddy vs. Jason episode, so go and check that out as well. Other considerations were Dave Chappelle.

21:27Oti: We'll see. He wouldn't have done Bing Creating though.

21:32KT: Think as a compliment, I think Dave Chappelle kind of takes all the attention. Like, he doesn't take the attention, but when you see him on the screen, you're just focusing on him. Yeah. Like, So I don't think it would have worked. Yeah. Dave Chappelle, like, I don't know. He he is not that much of a thespian to to I feel like as mouthy as Chris Tucker is, that works to his advantage because he seems very generous. Perhaps as a lover, perhaps as a thespian. But he seems very generous with the screen. Again,

22:05KT: as a lover or a thespian on the screen. Also Will Smith?

22:05Oti: Yeah. We would have taken too much attention out of it.

22:05KT: Yep. I think so. I think and Will has a lot of star power. Not to say Dave Chappelle doesn't, but I feel like Will takes all of the attention. It'll have been the Will Will Smith show.

22:26Oti: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely.

22:28KT: And also Tupac. I don't think we would have gotten the emotional depth.

22:38Oti: I I loved him in Juice, but Jesus Christ.

22:41KT: He was a psycho in Juice. Why would you love him in Juice? You mean his performance? Because him as a character was, like, creepy. His character and performance. I think you're talking about a different movie because he was like he was like the spawn of Satan in Juice from what I remember.

23:00Oti: You keep on shouting, he'll Satan me. I don't know why you're like

23:05KT: That's that's one of the KT tenets. We must follow Tupac in all that he does. Yep. Whether living or not.

23:14Oti: Hologram or not.

23:16KT: Right? What a world we live in. Oh, wow. Holograms are as real as day unless you're Gavin Belson listened to our Silicon Valley episode. But then people can't fucking wash their hands and stay at home. No. Technology is advancing and with you know what? Robot Jesus, come and take us over because what's left? What's left? I don't I don't know what's left. You wanna hear a fun fact for the Rush Hour series, but specifically for the first film? This film inspired the creation of Rotten Tomatoes.

23:54KT: Oh. Yeah. How so? The site's founder, Senh Duong, and sorry if I pronounced it wrong. He's a big Jackie Chan fan, and he built the website to collect reviews for all of Chan's Hong Kong as they were being released in The United States. He coded the site in two weeks, putting it up before the release of the film. And as we know, Rotten Tomatoes, as much as you slander it, it is a central epicenter, you know, for opinions.

24:22Oti: Yep.

24:23KT: Right?

24:24Oti: How cool is that? Movies advertise based off Rotten Tomatoes score. So, yeah, it's definitely ingrained into the culture.

24:35KT: So, you know, say what you will about this series, but Rotten Tomatoes was born. I don't think Lady Gaga is auditioning for that particular role. A Star Is Born. I got that. No. I know you're you're just laughing just because you're laughing. So how did you feel? How did you feel watching the first movie?

24:59Oti: Oh, I enjoyed it. Rewatching it made me forget just how good it was. Yeah. Because sometimes the nostalgia can take over. Right? No. Because we were having trouble just finding something to watch Uh-huh. And you're browsing through Netflix, and then we I saw it, and I thought, might as well try and rewatch it because we weren't really in the mood to do anything. Yeah. And since we'd already done the chilling part, it was just about finding something that, you know, was tight. And when I recommended it, I did not think

25:35Oti: I would enjoy it as much as I did. Right? Yeah.

25:40KT: Good. The story is enough to sink your teeth into. And can I just say the first film, I enjoyed the action as opposed to two and three? I felt like the action was very Jackie Chan focused. It was very you know, Jackie Chan really brings value. Whenever you whenever you can, if you're able to book him, it's not just having someone that can act and say the lines. Yeah. But it's also someone that can add value with decades of experience. And the stunts were fucking flawless.

26:19Oti: They really were.

26:21KT: They really were. And it was a pleasure. It was a delight to watch. I just couldn't get over how great he was. Yeah. Shout outs to Chris Tucker. He he finally got star billing in the third film in the series, but Jackie Chan was really no. Not even arguably. Jackie Chan was the biggest star at the time.

26:43Oti: He was globally more than Chris Tucker. I think just because I think basing this off the American audience, but Jackie Chan was definitely way bigger than Chris Tucker. Oh, yes. I think Friday was three years before this. Yeah. But Jackie Chan, you know, with Drunken Master and, you know, we had been versed, well versed in Jackie Chan movies way before this came out.

27:08KT: Oh, totally. Like like, the world was primed and ready.

27:14Oti: Oh, for sure.

27:16KT: Apparently, according to IMDb trivia, it's our knowledge repository, so go and fight them. Don't fight me. And however I drunkenly read this, it's still their fault. Apparently, this was the first film that Jackie actually did his English, not necessarily dub in this case, but it's the first time that he did his own English versioning. Yeah. A lot of the time, the English dub, he would feel uncomfortable and he would let someone else do it. But Brett really said, I'm shuddering, authenticity to the role if he was to do it and speak English.

27:51Oti: But it was amazing. It was I think it added so much to the movie as well.

27:57KT: Oh, yeah. But he was so endearing. And it was it was interesting to know that even before I met you, Oti, they were using a lot of your techniques as well. The way you point to a business card to tell people where to go. What it is a good for?

28:21Oti: You are. Yes. You're you're ridiculous.

28:30KT: I'm a dick, and you love it. But it was

28:34Oti: I think if he didn't do it, he they would have lost something really intrinsic to the role. Oh, yes. And the fact that he did it and you could see the connection with him and Chris Tucker, I felt like there was this actual genuine sort of

28:34KT: Rapport?

28:34Oti: Yeah. Yeah. And it made it for it it made it for, like, a great watching and just really buying into the two characters and really rooting for them.

29:02KT: There was no pretension. Because if you think about it, obviously, there are a lot of films that have this sort of formula, but where a lot of them failed, Rush Hour thrived. Right? And it was oh, oh, I felt so warm and fuzzy watching the first film. It just made me feel so good. It made me feel happy. It made me feel like this is why.

29:31KT: Like, this is why we wanna share this moment with you all and talk about films and talk about movies. And, you know, maybe they're not perfect, maybe they aren't perfect, but let's discuss it. Let's analyze it wherever we can. And let's tear that rope apart friends and lovers.

29:49Oti: Oh, for sure.

29:51KT: Oh, but how good was it? It might not be a surprise to anybody that Chris Tucker improvised a lot of his lines. Of course. I was watching interviews, especially for when the first Rush Hour came out and Jackie was talking about how he couldn't understand anything that Chris Tucker was saying, which prompted the infamous line.

30:21Oti: Do you understand the words coming out of my mouth?

30:25KT: Kyle Barker. Get back in our Living Single episode. That did not sound like Chris Tucker.

30:25Oti: It did.

30:25KT: Can can I digress for a second? Oti, as as much of lot of things I love about you, you've got a very rich voice. So what I know the listeners are dying to know aside from what you look like and whether you exist is when did your balls drop? Like, when did because Chris Tucker's voice, it's just I don't wanna

31:07KT: claim that his balls haven't dropped. Don't come and fight me. I can only deal with so many scandals at a time. But when when do you remember your voice not sounding high pitched?

31:20Oti: There's no single point where I can remember.

31:20KT: You just came out of the womb?

31:26KT: Came in love with you. That would be weird if you were seeing that, especially if you're looking at your mom.

31:34Oti: What are you doing to a podcast?

31:37KT: Mate, it it it is it is a downward trajectory, and it has been for quite a while. I

31:44Oti: I really can't put a date on it. Think one day it was just there and then I can't remember. I really can't, which is weird. Maybe people will remember those things, but I can't.

31:59KT: Oh, there you go. Was it worth the journey? Who knows?

32:05Oti: Probably not.

32:07KT: Perhaps not. Let's go back to the film that we were talking about. Is there anything else you wanna say about the first film?

32:17Oti: No. I I I really enjoyed it. And the fact that it aged so well made me really like, it it surprised me. It really did. And it's something that's really rewatchable. Oh, yes. If you just want something light in the background that you'd enjoy without overthinking things and just having a relationship as like, a bromance. Like that and seeing it develop. Uh-huh. It's so hard to do that genuinely. And the way Ratner directed this, he just, you know, kudos. I really loved it.

32:56KT: And I guess you could take this on the surface and that would be completely fine to consume as a movie. But I really bought into the rapport and as you say, the bromance between Chris Tucker and also Jackie Chan. I think it was in the outtakes of the second film where Chris Tucker kept calling him Jackie. And in my in my cold, tiny, tiny heart, I wanna believe that Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan are so close that he that's why he kept calling him Jackie.

33:33KT: Yeah. Know what I mean? Not so old. I just wanna believe that they're best friends and they have barbecues together

33:39KT: and they go out having karaoke in China. Like, I just wanna believe that that's the life that they have. Please

33:45KT: don't ruin that fantasy for me. Speaking of fantasy, Brett Ratner amongst other things including, was it called Tower Heist, the Ben Stiller film. He directed a lot of music videos, some from Madonna, but also a lot from Mariah Carey. And that's kind of a nod in the first film where you have Soo Yung's character singing Fantasy. That was adorable. That was the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life. And I think that actually denotes to a lot about a lot of the elements in this film. Like, they are,

34:25KT: I I guess, if you wanna say predictable, but they're still enjoyable. Like, you have a kid singing a very contemporary pop song, and then you have those two guards watching her. Right? So, obviously, you know it's going to be them cringing and her having a good time, but it doesn't stop us from enjoying that moment. Yeah. If I was watching that on YouTube right now, I'd half expect

34:50KT: what's the guy's name that that does the Carpool Karaoke there? James Corden. I'd expect his face to show up and then I'll just put the video off, but yeah. So lap it up, James Corden, because I feel like that's the only time we will mention you. I feel like he's been in like a few movies.

35:09Oti: Isn't he in the thing that people love in Britain, Abbey downtown?

35:09KT: Downton Abbey.

35:17KT: James Corden in Downton Abbey? Maggie Smith would never.

35:21Oti: No. What is it? Maggie Smith, no. Two chips in a bucket of a pint in a bucket of chips?

35:28KT: Wow. I feel like okay. So we we've established that Americans are the majority of our listeners. Now you're now you're throwing away all of our other Brit listeners. A pint and a packet of chips?

35:43Oti: Two pints of beer and a packet of chips. I think he's I think oh, Gavin & Stacey.

35:48KT: I got there finally. How did you get from two pints and a packet of chips to Gavin & Stacey? Stacey?

35:54Oti: They're all connected. I used to watch them all back in the day, so.

36:03KT: There are many symptoms out there, but I think Oti is manifesting some of them today. I should have make light of that, but Oti made it way too easy for me. Baby, would you be my

36:17Oti: corona line? My main squeeze.

36:21KT: The main symptom. Are you done, sir?

36:21Oti: I'm done now.

36:21KT: Because we're never doing Cats. So I I don't know when you whenever you're going to hear the name James Corden again. KT brings Oh, to

36:37Oti: we might do an epi on late night talk shows.

36:40KT: No thanks. Yeah. Yeah. No thank you.

36:45Oti: My dick just invited by that so.

36:48KT: My dick fell off.

36:50Oti: Oh wow, okay.

36:51KT: So I can't strap in or strap on. It's strap deactivated, unfortunately.

36:59Oti: Alright. What did you think though? I don't alright.

37:04KT: You derailed this Oti Express.

37:09Oti: No. I'm trying to bring you back on track and you're pushing it away. So

37:09KT: We were talking about Fantasy

37:16KT: with the little girl and the bodyguards. But I just wanted to bring up like a writing point where, things did seem a bit predictable, but it didn't take away from us consuming and enjoying it in its intended purpose. Something that I thought was a bit controversial, I don't remember if it, maybe it was the second movie, but it was when Chris Tucker was saying the N word addressing his fellow kin and Jackie Chan eventually said it. How do I definitely don't think that would work in 2020.

37:58Oti: Tarantino does that in all his movies.

37:58KT: Yeah. He does. But I also wanna point out Quentin Jerome Tarantino.

38:08Oti: Jerome elevates him into the brings him into the culture.

38:13KT: It makes him less of a chicken George. Yeah. Listen to our Princess Mononoke episode because we talk about Quentin Jerome Tarantino quite a lot in the can you believe we haven't done a Quentin Tarantino film yet? No. Yeah. I can believe that. So let's move on. Let's move on to the second film. Before we do, actually, I forgot to mention the soundtrack because, you know, sometimes whenever we feel like it, whenever it's relevant, we bring up the soundtrack for movies. How Deep Is Your Love by Dru Hill featuring Redman.

38:49Oti: So good. Such a banger.

38:50KT: I didn't know that was from Rush Hour.

38:50Oti: Oh, yeah. I used to have it wasn't, let's just call it a Walkman. I used to have a I used to have a Walkman CD compact disc player. And

39:08Oti: I used to have How Deep Is Your Love on there.

39:08KT: Wow. I'm surprised in your circles you were allowed to listen to that.

39:14KT: Damn, dog. Hell, Stacy. The the first soundtrack for the movie was produced through Def Jam and it consisted of hip hop and R and B music. The soundtrack was a huge success, Oti. What does that mean? It peaked at five on the Billboard 200 on the top R and B hip hop albums. Oh, wow. And that's where we get the number one single, How Deep Is Your Love. Also in the soundtrack, we have Wu Tang Clan. Mhmm. I think it it makes sense. It makes sense that Wu Tang would be on the soundtrack.

39:51KT: Oh, for sure. Especially with Oti Dirty Bastard over there.

39:57Oti: You've gotta go with the long hanging fruit.

40:00KT: Yeah. Oti Dirty Bastard. We also had Ja Rule on the first soundtrack as well as Jon B.

40:09Oti: Oh.

40:10KT: We love Jon B. Jon B. was also on the Bad Boys soundtrack. So let's move into the second film. And I just wanna mention some of the guest stars or cameos or whatever you wanna call it. We're not cinephiles yet, but we're working towards it, we assure you. We have Don Cheadle. Mate, as soon as I saw him, it was all over. Like, I was I was already sold on the franchise, but seeing Don Cheadle and the character that he played Kenny, for some reason, he's uncredited. I'm not sure why. How dare you?

40:47KT: But Don Cheadle agreed to do this only if he could fight Jackie and also speak Chinese. Good on him. But it's like even watching this, I'm just like watching them fight together is one of the best things I've ever seen in my life. Like, Tony Stark who? This is the momentous battle that we have with Don Cheadle here.

41:13Oti: It'll be more like Billy Blanks who? Who's that? Because he was a black martial artist

41:20KT: I don't know. Back in the day. But who is that?

41:23Oti: If you don't know Billy Blanks, he's he he did a lot of great things back in the day.

41:23KT: So he was he was like a movie star?

41:23Oti: Yeah. The biggest movie star there was.

41:35KT: Obviously not. Unless Billy Blanks was around almost thirty years ago, then then maybe it's KT Blanks.

41:50Oti: No. I'm sure people know of Billy Blanks. Alright. It's not an Oti thing. It's a worldwide thing.

41:59KT: So you acknowledge that there are pockets of information that you make shit up on.

42:04Oti: It's our rule.

42:08KT: In the soundtrack for the second movie, Area Codes. Yes. Ludacris and Nate Dogg. Hey. It was specifically for the movie.

42:19Oti: Oh, wow. I I did not know that. Right? Yeah.

42:22KT: Well, yeah. We also have some songs, Dru Hill again with Jill Scott and also Christina Milian. Mhmm.

42:30Oti: Right? Yeah. You gotta bring those young audience in.

42:35KT: Suppose. How did you feel with the second movie coming out? Did you watch it at the time? Did you feel like they didn't need to have it?

42:35Oti: No. I mean, I was living for it. Right? Yeah.

42:47Oti: After watching the episode, I'm like, mate, I need more of these I need more. Give me more. And I was not disappointed as a child, and I was not disappointed as an adult watching this. It really it was great.

43:01Oti: I would continue to love to see Rush Hour until the end of time. Yeah. That could be up to Rush Hour forty and I'd still watch that shit.

43:12KT: Jackie is ripped.

43:14Oti: Yeah. He's shredded, bro. Like, just the amount of effort and the dedication that Jackie puts in his movies, it's such a joy to watch. And the fact that you know that he's actually doing his own stunts, you know, no doubles, no no none of that bullshit. He gets hurt. He gets broken legs. He breaks his fucking back Yeah. Doing his own shit. The second movie is the one where he, like, slides through that small sort of iron bar. Right? Yeah. Fuck, man. And to watch that and to know that he's actually doing it Parkour.

43:54Oti: I don't care about Uncle Scott. Parkour. Just elevates the movie to a different stratosphere because Farrah, there's so few people that do this, and and it's just, you know, I'm I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm like, give me Rush Hour fifty, and I'll be there watching him.

44:12KT: No. Because, like, Jackie Chan is still jacked. Jackie Chan. Alright. It's a rough workshop. Deal with my brain isn't as active as it used to be friends and lovers. Just have patience with me.

44:12Oti: Who who would you think would win

44:33Oti: in a fight between Jackie Chan and Jet Li? Oh, you're say Chris Tucker. Come on now.

44:43KT: Well, Jackie Chan was invited into my heart chambers well before Jet Li.

44:48Oti: Oh, really? Yeah.

44:50KT: They're not even the same age. Jackie's older.

44:52Oti: Well, still. Are we talking about we talking about in their prime? Are you talking about in their prime? In their prime. In their prime. Oh, Jackie. He's Like, Jet Li, The One and and Drunken Master Jackie Chan.

45:04KT: I'm not sure The One was Are you talking about their films or you're talking about their abilities? Because Jackie, hands down.

45:12Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd go with Jackie as well.

45:12KT: Then why? Why?

45:12Oti: Just thought he'd be swayed a bit. Jet Li is talented as fuck as well. So, you know, kudos to him.

45:27KT: Kids of age, friends and lovers, people talk a lot about thirst traps. Do you know what that is Oti?

45:27Oti: What did you say?

45:27KT: A thirst trap.

45:27Oti: Yeah, I do. I've seen

45:27KT: On your secret Grindr account? Okay. So essentially it's, you know, pose like trying to trying to have a sexy photo and trying to get people thirsty, essentially. Oti lays Kung Fu traps. Where he tries to trap you in kung fu conundrums.

46:01Oti: No. Like, it it was a it was one of It's the of the biggest debates you had growing up. But it's Jackie Chan. You'd have Jackie. You'd have Jet Li in there. You'd have Chuck Norris. It'd have Bruce Lee. How about Sammo?

46:14KT: Shamu? Mushu?

46:14Oti: Sammo. No. Sammo. He was like a kung fu master, and he had a crossover with Chuck Norris.

46:23KT: Sammo?

46:24Oti: I think so. I said Sammo.

46:24KT: Who's Sammo?

46:24Oti: You've never heard of him before?

46:24KT: No. Is he a martial arts guy? Friends and lovers, I'll meet you at the Sammo solstice. So you talk about your mister blades or whatever.

46:24Oti: Billy Blanks.

46:24KT: Yeah. Shooting blank. Okay. If you're supposed to have an intimidating name, why would your name be Blanks?

46:53Oti: It's too quick for me.

46:55KT: I think that would be a good, like, escort name. Hey, baby. I'm Billy Blanks. You don't need to worry.

47:03Oti: Gotta do raw dogging. Exactly. Right?

47:09KT: But, like, the the fact that you mentioned Jackie Chan and Jet Li, that just shows your ignorance. That's a callback to earlier.

47:09Oti: No. It's it's a valid debate.

47:09KT: No, man. There's no contest. Jackie Chan. Mhmm. He is the granddaddy of kung fu.

47:24Oti: Jackie Chan and Chuck Norris.

47:27KT: Are you are you for serious? Jackie Chan's nipples could cut Chuck Norris' neck.

47:34Oti: Mate, there are people out there who believe Chuck Norris beat Bruce Lee. Fair and square in a fight. What? So if if you have if you have a souped up Chuck Norris. Anyway, that was just a conspiracy theory or whatever people want to fucking believe

47:52KT: about this right now before I even tweet about our episode. Jackie Chan's nipples could could cut Chuck Norris's with an apostrophe because I know my grammar neck in half or just cut his neck? Alright. Send tweet motherfuckers. You you have no idea where you've started. Should say should I say fight me? Will regardless. Fight yourself. Oh, and Jackie Chan had his own cartoon series on Nickelodeon. Did you get that in Kenya?

47:52Oti: Oh, yeah. Watch out every Saturday morning, like, gospel.

48:38KT: But I guess also at the same time, like, do we need to pin these masters together? Like, can Jackie Chan be Jackie Chan? It's the way of

48:49Oti: Like, you'd want to know the top dog every time, you know?

48:53KT: I suppose. Oh, I am seeing a young Jackie Chan and it is moistening my Jackie Chan's. Wow. You are. Wow. Oh my. What a world. Let's give some love to Chris Tucker. Okay? Alright. Alright. So so did you know Chris Tucker aside from Friday?

49:18Oti: I don't think so. Like, I saw saw him in things here and there.

49:23KT: Mhmm.

49:25Oti: Not sure I was his biggest fan, but he warmed he won me over with his performance in Rush Hour. Okay. Yeah. So I was definitely a fan of him.

49:37KT: I didn't because I mentioned to you while we're watching it, I didn't really watch Chris Tucker when he was out. So he kind of feels like a blend of Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock to me.

49:37Oti: I can see that.

49:37KT: But it's just because I haven't really like, I didn't really consume him at the time I was supposed to probably consume him.

49:37Oti: I can see that.

49:57Oti: But he's he he there's so few people who could have done this role like he did without coming off as complete assholes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Actually. So the fact that he carried out you remember, like, in the first in the in the first installment, and he was walking up. He was walking to the FBI Building and he's like, oh, I need one of those. I need, like, commanding people to do stuff.

50:21KT: I don't get people like that. People that just lack self awareness.

50:26Oti: Yeah.

50:27KT: And they just they just expect things to be given to them. But the difference with his character is he isn't really malicious

50:27Oti: No. He's not.

50:27KT: In any way. So I think we give him a lot of graces. Right? He he wears his heart on his sleeve. So he's he's he's definitely putting himself out there. Like, doesn't mean bad by any of it. And then you have him like flirting in the first movie as well.

50:49Oti: I reckon I reckon that movie doesn't get made now.

50:53KT: Well, it didn't get made in 2016. It got canceled. But that's not why it got canceled. It was just garbage.

51:02Oti: Yeah. Like, it's crossing a lot of some of the PC lines that we tend to see. Are you running out of toilet paper to wipe your ass? Use the script.

51:12KT: It just can we talk about the TV reboot for like two seconds? The casting was crap. I think that was the biggest issue. Well, it was such an iconic film franchise that you couldn't not associate the actors' personalities to the characters. Because you think about Brett Ratner, again, he was a fan of Jackie Chan. So obviously Jackie Chan was at the epicenter. And then you had Chris Tucker improvising a lot of his lines. So these actors

51:39KT: brought a lot into these roles. So it's hard not to associate them when you would watch a TV reboot of it. And I think, with Carter's character, Chris Tucker's character, they didn't wanna play it too hard because then people will be like, oh, he's trying to copy Chris Tucker. But what it did was he fell flat.

51:39Oti: It did.

51:39KT: And you didn't wanna root for him. You didn't even care for him. It kinda reminds me, you know, when you watch like animes and Dragon Ball Evolution. I feel like just for fun, we should cover that

52:12KT: one of these days. Aside from the fact that the Chinese grandpa had a white grandson, that's a story for another day. Like 50 Cent having 80 babies. Like, Bulma had like one blue stripe in her hair. So it kinda felt like sometimes when you have, like, anime live action, it kind of waters down the vibrancy of the source material.

52:36Oti: I felt like that's what happened to the TV show. I felt it was just lazy writing because they lifted heavily from the script of the original movie and executed it poorly.

52:49KT: Because they didn't wanna because they didn't say, do you understand the words coming out of my mouth? They said something of, I don't understand what he's saying. So they they paid homage to the original references, but it just came off as really weak.

53:02Oti: Yeah. It was really weak. Like, I was watching it. I was like, mate, I think they just gave me the film grad and just gave him a script and be like, mate, just write something.

53:14KT: Yeah. And again, if there's any sort of Rush Hour talk, give me Chris Tucker, give me Jackie Chan. Right? Even though as the films went on, it also looked like someone threw some sodium at Chris Tucker. Go and listen to our Bad Boys episode. But Chris Tucker can still throw down and let's trickle over to the third movie. It took three movies for Chris Tucker to sing Kung Fu Fighting.

53:46Oti: Yeah. Just having that. I'm sure that was intentional.

53:51KT: I'm sure he's saying it in every movie and they do it. And they completely like, cut it out.

53:59Oti: Yeah. I think I feel like this was the weakest of the three though, of the two. Yeah. I agree. And the one perfect moment was when I think the one that I really enjoyed was when they're both singing at the club.

54:12KT: Oh, yes. Over and over again.

54:17Oti: That lit my heart up so badly. Like, ah.

54:21KT: Because you knew you knew Chris Tucker was going to sing. Like, that's that's no surprise to anybody. Yeah. But once Jackie Chan was on that rose pedaled swing, like, this this will stop me from punching strangers in the street. Wow. It's just everything. The build up was there. Everything was there. And what a franchise we had. Do Me Baby performed by Prince and Chris Tucker is also credited on the soundtrack for the third movie. If you watch the outtakes for the second film, there's actually a reference to it in the third movie.

55:01KT: When they're on the plane and there's inklings noting to the fact that Carter is Jewish. When you watch the outtakes at the end of the second film, Chris Tucker is really struggling to say gefilte fish. And I don't even know if I'm saying it right, But it completely got cut out of the movie because he just couldn't say it. And we were watching the third movie and he actually said it and that was quite a payoff.

55:29Oti: It was a payoff considering how annoyed the producer was. Oh, yes.

55:36KT: And the funny thing was in that particular outtake in the second movie, Jackie was like, oh, no. It was something else who Chris Saga was supposed to say three words in Chinese and he couldn't even do it. So it's probably Mandarin or Cantonese. And he couldn't do it either. Yeah. So it's interesting. It's interesting because obviously you would think that Jackie Chan like needs help, but Chris Tucker needed a lot of stuff. He does.

56:03Oti: He can't remember his lines for shit.

56:07KT: Oh, but he I think they would they were just the perfect combination. Right? Because it's very easy to try and overtake each other when you're in a sort of duo dynamic. Yeah. I know because Oti doesn't know his place and I have to put him back to where he needs to go. Oh, good luck. You fucking sub. Shave.

56:37KT: Oh, but oh, I'm so glad. And also in some sort of way, I'm glad I had never watched this. And this was the first time I've actually watched it because it came at such a time that we needed this.

56:49Oti: Yeah. We really did. Like, I felt lifted. Yeah. Like, you know, with whatever's going on with the world right now, it's quite crazy. There's so many things out there that you could watch that would just bring you your whole mood down. Rush Hour isn't that. It'll just lift you up. It'll make you forget how crap this everything is. Oh, yeah.

57:11KT: Totally. Also, Jackie Chan speaks fluent French.

57:15Oti: Oh.

57:16KT: Right. There's there's also a trivia that I just wanna mention before I forget. Before I forget the trivia. The counterfeit bills that they used in the second movie said, in dog we trust. And during the shooting, some extras walked off with it and they used it in Las Vegas. Oh, no. The situation was so out of control that the production was briefly shut down when the FBI went to the props department to do an investigation.

57:47Oti: Woah.

57:49KT: That's some good girls. Pay some attention. Yeah.

57:53Oti: Wow. Yeah. I would have tried that as well.

57:57KT: And I will claim I don't know you. Be like, who is this sexy man? I'm the one that knocks.

58:06Oti: Vomit. That's who I am.

58:08KT: Vomit. Why do you do that? We're having a hot diggity dog time. But, oh, everything was special about this. Yes. There are moments that if you're cynical and you're sitting there, you could predict the storyline, but it is enough to have emotional investment if you allow yourself to. It's not about the bloody storyline. Get off your bloody asses. But I feel like the story is quite good. It's quite good, but it's not about it alone. Not with Rush Hour.

58:41Oti: Who are you fighting, bruv?

58:41KT: I don't know, bruv. You're coming at me.

58:41Oti: I'm not coming at you.

58:49KT: Well, at least not yet. Anyway,

58:53Oti: it's not. It really isn't. The dynamisms between Lee and Carter alone is what you're ass on that chair for ninety minutes. And when Lee thought Carter died.

59:08KT: So sweet.

59:10Oti: Yes. Oh, wow. So lovely. So many good moments in this movie.

59:17KT: Yeah. I especially really enjoyed the first one. I didn't really care for the exuberant sort of production. I didn't care that they were flying off the Eiffel Tower. Like, the the dynamic, everything that made it magical in the first film, I didn't need any sort of extravagance after that. Yeah. Not to say that the rest of them were bad, but I really enjoyed the first one.

59:17Oti: Yeah. Me too. Me too. With with with,

59:43Oti: know, with with more hands trying to get into the pot, you know, or dipping into the pot, you get to lose a little

59:43KT: Is that an Oti phrase or mine?

59:43Oti: Yeah. You get to lose a little bit of more flavor. So that's what happened in this. Uh-huh. And understandably so because it got so much money in the first movie and they're like, ugh, gotta do better.

60:07KT: You are.

60:11Oti: So understandable. It's just the way the business is and, you know, just gotta ride that moo shu.

60:20KT: Right? And before we rent a movie, a dirty movie for $9.95, Let's

60:25Oti: That's an expensive movie, isn't it? Is is that the rate of renting?

60:31KT: Back in the early two thousands. Yeah. I think that's quite and they were in a hotel as well. Yeah. I thought they were like Scents Now or something. You just have Oti outside of your hotel, like slipping a CD underneath. Oh, for sure. Well, there you go. No contact. We love you guys. That is my band aid for it all. Let's finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference, Oti.

61:02Oti: I will reference Shanghai Noon.

61:02KT: Oh, okay.

61:02Oti: I know I know what you people saying.

61:02KT: Oh, inspiring.

61:02Oti: I know. It's not. It's fun.

61:13Oti: It's light hearted. It's not boring. It's fun.

61:17Oti: You've got Jackie Chan doing his best in in in a western world, you know, cowboys and all. You know, that's a scene you'd want to see Jackie in. You've got Owen Wilson, who is kind of adorable. Not much to say about him, but he's likable, I think. And then This is your torch, mate. You got Lucy Liu and Walton Goggins. Do I need to say more? Walton Goggins is a Shanghai new we're watching it.

61:47KT: I've not watched it, by the way.

61:51Oti: Mate, of course, you've not watched it. Fuck off.

61:55KT: I've watched Succession.

61:57Oti: What about you?

62:00KT: I will reference Drunken Master. Oh. The film series.

62:07Oti: Oh.

62:08KT: If you wanna dabble, if you wanna dip your toe in, I guess you can start off with Forbidden Kingdom as well. It's got Jackie Chan in it. And Jet Li, They fight each other. I'm pretty sure I'm still right. I don't remember who won, but if Jackie didn't win, that would be a sham. But Drunken Master, definitely.

62:28Oti: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like you gotta give it up for It's a staple for sure. It's a lot of movies have borrowed from it. Sorry, I'm stealing your thunder here, but yeah.

62:40KT: Oh, like Lee. Even though it was more Bruce Lee, but Lee with his Drunken Master in Naruto. Yeah. And I didn't find an organic way to say it. I don't really care to imagine what celebrities look like naked, but I kinda wanna know what Jackie Chan looks like naked.

63:00Oti: Right? There should be something out there.

63:03KT: Him and Chris Tucker running naked through the streets actually was real because they couldn't close down the set. So there you go. That's another fun fact for you guys. Thank you so much for sticking around. We take kindly to your kind around here. Walton Goggins it up. And that's another week in the For Your Reference household friends and lovers. Come and fight me Jackie Chan over everything. Chuck Norris who?

63:35Oti: You mean Bruce Lee?

63:38KT: You really don't know when to stop, do you?

63:38Oti: I don't. I really don't.

63:38KT: Yeah. I'll meet you in the car park, bro. You know where I won't you see you?

63:47Oti: On Twitter and Instagram, we are For Your Ref Pod. And you can write us an email, hello, For Your Reference Podcast. No. You can write us an email.

63:57KT: I think we found our drunken non master. We're doing that like it, Ro.

64:06Oti: You can write us an email at FYR podcast.

64:11KT: We'll do it live. We'll do it live. Fuck it. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it, and we're gonna do it now. Alright. You can write us an email. Oh, hello@fyrpodcast.com.

64:22Oti: I've got the Chris Tucker bug, and it's effect. It's infectious as fuck.

64:27KT: Chris Tucker starring Parasite. I I don't think I don't think those are the peaches you wanna count on. You know who you can count on? Us for pretty much. Have a good week, and we'll see you later.

64:42Oti: See you.