P-Valley – Seven Pounds of Pleasure

Full transcript of P-Valley – Seven Pounds of Pleasure.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household. And it is another night at the Pynk, the Oti experience. If you're nest um, part of what makes Pussy Valley P-Valley. So beautiful and wonderful shout out and accolades to Katori Hall and everyone that's involved with the show is that it covers real life. Shit that.

0:22Oti: that it does,

0:23KT: Especially a lot of issues that affect black Americans in the south as well. So naturally, um, you know, we are going to talk about some hard to talk about topics. So this is your trigger warning that we will be talking on topics of suicide, abortion, and domestic violence. We'll put it in the show notes in the US.

0:42KT: There's a national sexual assault hotline, 800 656 HOPE. And there's a national domestic violence hotline, 800 triple seven SAFE in Australia. There's 1-800-RESPECT as well as a healthdirect, which will be in the show notes for the UK. There's The Havens as well as The Survivors Trust. Let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and granny wifi lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host KT

1:22Oti: and Oti,

1:24KT: Polish your tail light because we are preparing for the re-re-reopening of the Pynk. Break off your crooked letter, put on your clean floss. As we apply seven pounds of pleasure with P-Valley season two, this

1:38Oti: noise,

1:40KT: Woohoohoo, friends and lovers. Please go and check out season one of our P-Valley episode. It probably will make a lot of sense unless you just think I'm nasty. And I refer to my Pussy Valley in every other review episode.

1:55Oti: I wouldn't put it past you though.

1:57KT: spoiler, spoiler, spoiler Woy Woy. Whoa. If you haven't watch season one, you are very nasty for being here. Um, and we would strongly encourage that you finish off season two as well. Um, we're going to get into themes and I think the way that this show so beautifully interweaves joy and tragedy together, sometimes in the same breath, um, we will be covering the heavy sort of themes, um, with the triumphs of the characters as well.

2:28KT: But before we get into that Oti, how have you been feeling like, have you been edging waiting for season two to come along and I think also shout outs and kudos to Darnell from The Chi. And also Katori Hall makes an, an appearance and a cameo there. But I, I feel like there was no other way, especially in these trying times than to have Darnell with his Bluetooth handset going into that car wash that beautiful, beautiful sensual fluidy car wash.

2:59Oti: It was the only way to get the Mercedes experience.

3:02KT: It's the only way we do it now,

3:03Oti: rather than pushing all over your car.

3:07KT: but how are you feeling? Because, you know, um, in, in our Splooshies awards, we did give all of the love and accolades to P-Valley. Um, so it is well beloved in our household and hopefully in your heart chambers, friends, and lovers. So, you know, it's wild to think that there's only been two season.

3:25Oti: It is. And we were just talking today and in my mind it felt like we'd, it, it so lived in, it feels like a staple in our household and it feels like we've watched it for such a long time and it's still fresh. And KT was like, oh wait, this is just the second season.

3:41KT: Yeah. And it's that familiarity. And it's that feeling that it just sticks with you. We reference it out the wazoo and it's out of our puss valley.

3:51Oti: It's it's just one of those shows that really come up with a foot wrong. I was scared, you know what? I was scared

3:57KT: why, but I thought you ain't never scared.

3:59Oti: I thought so, too.

4:00KT: DJ, always scared.

4:02Oti: I thought so too. I thought I'll be, I'll be wrapping up here coming out. Not, not scared at all about all this truffling, you know, second season, second season costs, but wow. You know, it's one of those things that I thought it really,

4:15KT: could it get any better than what season one was, is what you're

4:18Oti: And, and, and I was, I was, I. I was nervous, but those nerves were quickly fucking got off my body.

4:26KT: Everything else your, your nerves at the car wash like Darnell,

4:30Oti: I'm trying to do a PG episode here.

4:31KT: That demographic is gore Oti.

4:34Oti: it true that, uh, but just, I think this season is just took P-Valley to new whole new standard.

4:42KT: Yeah. A whole new standard. Fuck. Hell, absolutely. Uh, before we spoosh ourselves all over season two, let me go into Don Cheeto's IMDB internet, um, and read as much of the cast as I can see on this page because love, love and SPEs everywhere on all the thanks on all the people Nicco Annan, Shannon Thornton, J. Alphonse Nicholson, Brandee Evans, Elarica Johnson, Harriett D. Foy, where the blessings reside OIE Loretta Devine, Parker Sawyers, Morocco Omari, Bertram Williams Jr. And Tyler Lepley.

5:18Oti: What more can you say?

5:20KT: And also John Clarence Stewart, rest in peace, Big Teak,

5:23Oti: and peace.

5:25KT: Oh, wow. I , I'm already satisfied cause this show really gave it all. And I guess while we're here, friends and lovers, um, go and follow the P-Valley writers' room because every week Katori and the team talk about in detail, a lot of the references, um, and hoodoo was one of them, uh, which will come to, uh, later on in this episode. But let's get into season two. Um, I wanna talk generally about the cinematography, the choreography and the music, Oti.

5:57Oti: Oh, wow. We thought we saw choreography in season one. Yeah. that was

6:03KT: working on the ceiling.

6:04Oti: That was nothing. they took it levels this season. Yeah. And it wasn't even the main attraction. Yeah. Like people will be talking, you'll see.

6:15KT: In the background or some shit. Yeah. I'm like, wait, what? Yeah. What did that, why did I just see? Yeah. It was Like whole episodes could be surrounded on routines.

6:24Oti: Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? Some of you came at me when I said that, Save the Last Dance, had one of the best soundtracks growing up

6:34KT: but I'll be fighting you. Cause I don't know where you're going with this,

6:36Oti: but you know, when sometimes we, we, we, we underappreciate just how much a score can do. And boy, I think when Teak died,

6:47KT: oh,

6:48Oti: Teak died.

6:49KT: Oh.

6:50Oti: Then a song that I've not had in years, Scarface, I've never seen a man cry. I think I I've not been moved like that.

7:00KT: It was an outta fucking body experience. I, I just could not handle it. I could not contain myself. I had to go listen to the song I had to watch that scene over again. It's it's one of those things that just, it was the perfect combination. It was the perfect just balance of, of emotions and, and the tone, everything was just perfect in that scene. Yeah. And boy, or boy, did it work?

7:24KT: Layers, motherfucker. Do you speak it? Katori Hall does. There's so much to be said about, you know, even the vehicle, if you are pardon the pun, the hearse that they were traveling in the dirty dozen tour, like, you know, even with the, in Australia, we call it the murder wink sort of game.

7:42KT: Right. That really helped to bolster the emotion and you know, the crescendo and the passing of Big Teak. Right. Mm. And even, oh, it's the visuals, Oti. The visuals. Your favorite shows could never, unless the pus valley cause to have that visual of Lil Murda sending off Big Teak going into the hearse. Oh man.

8:06Oti: I never seen an O cry until

8:09KT: Big Teak send-off yeah. Far out, far out. but allow, allow yourself to feel those emotions. And that's exactly what we see. Especially from a lot of the male characters in this show to allow themselves to feel the emotion

8:25Oti: a hundred percent. I think the way it was delivered, you know, it, it started off just, I know I'm jumping here a bit, but I was, I was a bit skeptical when the hoodoo stuff was brought in, because I felt like it, it was, it was separating me from what I'd loved with the show. Yeah. You know, the grounding that I felt, you know, we, we heard about Katori's explanation, Uhhuh of why it was there. And fair enough. I can understand that, but it still, it still created that sort of barrier. And I was scared that if they continued going down that path or it became such a big aspect as it was in the episode that it would pull me out.

8:43KT: But was it Tyrese pulling you back you back? have you ever seen a Tyrese cry?

9:13Oti: Wow. Uh,

9:15KT: Tyrese's Django's um, audition is, is It was based on the script that Tarantino wrote absolutely. Um, go and check out our Tarantino run friends and lovers Django and other frivol as we go. But you talk about, um, you know, hoping that the story would stay grounded, but what I would say with my whole Furious Styles, Boyz n the Hood energy was you are grounded in the white man. That's your problem, bro?

9:41Oti: Yeah. Yeah. And I, I could accept my, my sort of contaminated views.

9:48KT: Oh my . Oh, my tell us, tell us, Latifah is your queen without telling us Latifah is your queen O T I T Y Wow. Um, but you know, and even going back to the, hoodoo sort of element, we might as well talk about it since we're talking about it.

10:09KT: You're right. It, it did feel, I wouldn't necessarily say it was jarring, but it did feel, um, potentially that it wasn't necessarily in the toolkit that was already offered in season one. Um, however, at the same time we talk a lot about, you know, stories and narratives on screen being more than what they are being about real people and experiences.

10:32KT: And if we take into account that this is about the south, then it is a part of the culture, right? and that's what we also love about the show, because you know, like even in the films that we've covered, I've talked about Boyz n the Hood already. We did power August, you know, there's a very, there's a very specific sort of aesthetic and, you know, a way of talking like Damson Idris, you know, like with the mannerisms of Snowfall, right?

10:55KT: So you have a very succinct sort of aesthetic. When you talk about LA you have a very succinct sort of aesthetic when you talk about, you know, New York, or even if we talk about Lena Waithe, The Chi, right. There's a very specific way of being, because the black experience, isn't just one experience. Right. But then also friends and lovers, it did take me a bit of learning and a bit of patience and a bit of love to get where I am, because at first I was like, hang on a minute.

11:21KT: Like they brought Diamond back for this so I absolutely agree with you. And, you know, we talked about it in season one, how, you know, P-Valley is described as a Delta noir. A twist on traditional noir and, you know, um, shout outs to Black Noir from The Boys. Cause I think he, this will definitely be up his alley.

11:42Oti: It would be, and he'd bloody me it because we know New Orleans is bloody useless anyway,

11:48KT: it hurts.

11:52Oti: yeah. I I'm, I'm glad like the context and I appreciate them giving a different angle on the aspects of the people, you know? Um, it's rooted down in the south. Yeah. And, and that's what, you know, so show whatever it is that you people do. So I I'm, I was for it after that, and I'm just glad it was, I'm not necessarily gonna say it was pulled back, but it wasn't such a

12:14KT: focus

12:15Oti: because regardless of whether or wanted I understood it, it just felt like this isn't what I had expected Uhhuh and yes, that's my problem, but it still felt a bit weird.

12:15KT: okay. Star Wars fanboy.

12:27Oti: not to that

12:28KT: little okay. Rings of Power fanboy. Wow. Okay. House of the Dragon fanboy me. I got all day babes. I got all day.

12:37Oti: we watched House of the Dragon just for callers.

12:39KT: What do you mean?

12:42KT: um, so, so let's go into the first. Theme. This one is an interesting one, because if you think about all of the shows, there were many shows that came back or came out in 2020, you know, while the dust was still settling on the first sort of iteration of this pandemic. Right. Um, and then. You know, I think there was a lot of, um, there was a lot of grace and there was a lot of understanding if there was a difference in production, for example, um, of TV shows or maybe even films, but it was more TV shows that would continue production.

13:15KT: Um, but then you would get shows that would come out, maybe even like in late 20, 21. And sometimes we would feel our own sort of fatigue, right. Because we had had, in some cases like a whole year's worth of TV shows, trying to make it work, you know, um, because it would be weird, like, especially in 2020, the sentiments were, it would be weird to cover something in a world that is grounded in reality and not have elements of a.

13:42KT: In it. Right. So P-Valley came out at a time where, you know, a lot of shows were deciding not to cover the pandemic anymore. Cause we're talking about 20, 22. Right. So even though, you know, for, for some people they're talking about their yacht vacations, and for a lot of us, we're seeing family members continue to die, maybe not off COVID, but you know, of, of other circumstances and there's still a lot of pain and there's still a lot of, um, what the fuck is everyone else doing while I'm over here trying to grieve my kid?

14:11KT: You know what I mean? So I personally really enjoyed the way that P-Valley covered COVID because again, for me personally, I was like, Hmm, okay. Like two years in, we know it's still here. Our family members. Still, you know, um, suffering from it. If we're talking about like, you know, black and brown and minority communities, like we're still feeling the ongoing effects that maybe other people are frolicking in the, in the sun not thinking about.

14:38KT: Um, so I wasn't necessarily looking for the need to cover the pandemic, but wow. If there was ever a case study on everything, but if there was ever a case study on how to cover a pandemic and also explore it through the characters in the show, P-Valley is absolutely a beautiful, brilliant example of that.

14:58Oti: I couldn't have said it better. Um, I was also, I did not have the sort of reservation of seeing how they covered the, how they covered COVID I expected it just because we hadn't seen the characters after the period, you know?

15:12Oti: So it was only understandable that we'll see how they sort of handle it because it's rooted in reality. So I fully expected them to cover it and how they did it and how they just showed the community, how they handle it, how everyone came together. It's, it's that sort of depiction that it just blows your mind away because it shows you just how much, um, the community actually does do, uh, for everyone, you know, a lot of people who felt alone and couldn't do shit.

15:39Oti: It's more. Okay. You know, there are people who are going through the same thing as you, you know, you aren't alone, we've all lost a lot of people, but it's knowing that, Hey, we're going through this together. Mm-hmm and the things that we can, you know, do to, to help each other out in this tough situations. And I think they did, they did it perfectly.

15:57KT: Absolutely. And you know, even if we talk about Dr. Britney Seagram Watkins, we shout outs to her because in my trophy case of shitty black men, we have Lawrence from Insecure and we also have Andre motherfucking Watkins

16:12Oti: wash your mouth with soap, when it comes to Lawrence , Andre is not the same level.

16:19KT: Andre is a fucking scrub. He is ridiculous. What the hell? what the hell. But if we go back to Britney, um, you know, cuz cuz you wonder, and we can talk about the Pynk and we can talk about Cliff and the family. But you know, if we talk about frontline workers, if we, if we talk about health professionals, you know, there was a lot that, you know, I, I guess there was a lot of momentum in 2020, there was the applauding and the beepings and you know, all of that sort of camaraderie.

16:49KT: Um, but, but naturally, or maybe just for self preservation, you know, I think a lot, a lot of us, including the government, including the media, forgot about doctors and nurses that were out there trying to make do, especially in places that, you know, the police aren't losing any budget. But if you talk about health services, you know, struggling and not having the proper equipment. And we see that very early in season two, where Britney just wants her fucking milk, man.

17:16Oti: she does. And when she comes home, at least she isolated herself in her own home, you know, to protect this ungrateful Andre. Yeah. And still got a lot of disrespect, you know, it's just everything that she did because she saw what was happening in the community.

17:33KT: Yeah. She was scared. You'd expect for her to come home to an understanding environment. Yeah. Not Andre minus 3000.

17:41Oti: Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. It's wild.

17:44KT: wild. She was really done dirty, but I really like the way that we've had a little bit more of a focus on her and, you know, she cares so much about health standards. She was telling Andre where his mask was.

17:55Oti: Yeah. When he was, when she was given head standards were standards

18:04KT: I think she was looking for the glory hole mask section.

18:07Oti: Yeah.

18:10KT: I just like, I just want Britney to have her time in the sun and I'm absolutely here for it. But if we talk about COVID from the point of view of the Pynk, I don't wanna get into the spicy mu ante, um, discussion now where we talk about, you know, a, a place being more than a place.

18:28KT: It's a home, it's a venue. It's, it's a gathering, it's a watering hole. If you are pardon the pun. Um, cuz we'll definitely get into that. And I guess, I guess we'll see how much of our Uncle Ruckus Oti is when we start talking about

18:41Oti: Wow. Wow. But

18:43KT: In any case, whether it was through dialogue or through actual scenes in regards to COVID, there was a lot of talk about Cliff, you know, in, in particular because you know, Mercedes really is the experience and she's the draw and she's the one that brings all of the money, but it was distributed amongst the girls. And then there's also a conflict because Whisper and Roulette come along as well. So, you know, there's barely enough money in the pot and it's going to be spread even more thin. Right?

19:13Oti: It is, you know, Mercedes has done a lot. She's a draw. She's made people, you know, she she's distributed her money, but with the introduction of Whisper and Roulette, we get to see an end of an era.

19:26KT: Hey granny, wifi.

19:28Oti: It's true. It's true. You know, it it's a lot of the times, I, I don't know about you, but when you're walking in a professional sort of setting, you think you'll the shit until, oh, anyone you think, oh, this is fucking amazing.

19:42Oti: And then you quit or do whatever resign and they get someone else or come and do the fucking same job. Yeah. You know, it it's, it's, it's, it's ridiculous because you think that, Hey, my name is Mercedes I'm here. I'm the big draw. No one can replace me. Yeah. Next minute you get Roulette and, and, and Whisper doing some shit we've not seen before. I'm surprised that didn't play any Ying Yang Twins. Right.

20:07Oti: Yeah. Missed opportunity. Katori.

20:12KT: Um, but anyway, obviously there's a lot of talk about, but in regards to the actual theme of COVID, to me, it hands down the best way that it's been tackled in television. Uh, let's move on to the next theme. We have the casinos. So we see an evolution of this storyline from season one, um, small town industry, creating jobs, um, obviously Patrice Woodbine where the blessings reside.

20:35KT: Um, you know, there's a lot of interesting sort of dynamics that happen, but let's talk generally about the casino because Autumn Night obviously had her hand in her honey pot as well.

20:45Oti: Yeah, the casino's meant to bring jobs opportunities, Uhhuh, payouts, cash for Uncle Cliff. Yeah. You know, and Autumn is banking on it that it should be built near a well, the requirement is that it needs to be built near river.

21:01KT: And what, what other places other than the Pynk is close to a river. So, you know, I'm gonna have to stop myself from, um, recommending Romeo Must Die as a reference.

21:13Oti: We know the requirements. We know Autumn is banking on it, and this is where we disagreed significantly.

21:20KT: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

21:22Oti: Because too much in my mind, Autumn had every right to do what she did.

21:27KT: Okay. Oti Jay-Z black capitalist.

21:33Oti: not that I'm rich. They're gonna say capitalism is bad.

21:38KT: fuck. off Jay-Z. Wow. Okay. So.

21:41Oti: Uh, I just think what Autumn needed to do. Well, they need to, you know, it's not that I even disagreed with what Cliff was saying. It's more the attitude.

21:51KT: Oh, don't you dare

21:52Oti: the attitude that the fucking disrespect, you know, the, and the unappreciation of what Autumn had done for them

22:00KT: No, it, it didn't matter. It didn't matter that that, that the parent has been in the family for generations. Yes. It's family. Yes. But Autumn saved you because you couldn't, you couldn't do shit to manage us thing. How are you gonna disrespect, Loretta Devine? How dare you?

22:17Oti: I'm just saying,

22:18KT: you're saying too much.

22:19Oti: Uncle Cliff ran that shit to the ground.

22:22KT: You know No that's no, no, no. It's

22:24Oti: not good with money. No, it's, he's not good with money.

22:27KT: No, this isn't a mismanagement of funds. This is an over pouring of love for your own. Kin your motherfucker. Say

22:34Oti: good with money. no

22:38KT: Say you've abandoned. Say you've abandoned all your loved ones without saying you've abandoned all your loved ones piss off O seriously royally, Latifah piss off

22:49Oti: I'm just saying we needed to understand. They needed to understand that, Hey, we, it was all bad. We, we, we didn't manage our fans. Our place was being auctioned, Autumn swooped in, and boughted fine. You know, I can understand it. Appreciate that. The Pynk, what it, the Pynk means to the community and to Uncle Cliff,

23:07KT: You don't understand.

23:09Oti: I understand that you don't understand. No, no, no, no, no, because

23:12KT: then you wouldn't be spouting this. No,

23:14Oti: I, I called you out. I called you out. As soon as Uncle Cliff was like, oh, you know what? The Pynk is done, but think's for my ancestors. It's more than just me. It's for all the ancestors that were there, the, the, the brick and all that next minute will come.

23:29KT: Autumn says me, I lost a child coming here. I'm doing this for my dead kid. Then Cliff with a whole fucking chest, says your child's dead, honey. Well saw you fucking sisters, bro. fuck off.

23:47Oti: I'm

23:47KT: just spit. In You had an opportunity. You said this while we were watching P-Valley and you had an opportunity and you had an opportunity and you had time for some decorum.

23:58Oti: No. Why is Autumn's kids' death conceded? Well, she's dead. And then Uncle Cliff can bring up, can bring up ancestors. That's all right. Your ancestors are fucking dead as

24:09KT: You know what also isn't right. 400 years of slavery in the United States. Your motherfucker.

24:13Oti: but we are not talking about slavery.

24:16KT: I don't think, I don't think you are correct in many things, but absolutely in this, perhaps perhaps between you and I, we aren't necessarily.

24:26KT: An institution. And I'm not even talking about a church, I'm not even talking about like a government building. I'm just saying it's a place where people congregate. Maybe you might have one, or you might have had one growing up, but maybe you don't have that now. And for you to not be able to lend that, I would say is really the biggest tragedy in this particular instance, because it's so important to have a community.

24:52KT: And it's so important to band together, especially during a fucking pandemic. So you can talk about, you know, money mismanagement, but you really need to have a fucking heart because we're talking about the events of an UN unprecedented pandemic, right? We're not even talking about the global financial crisis, right.

25:12KT: That I guess in some camps and in, in some analysts would say that it was predicted that it was going to happen. And your non talk about Kevin Spacey House of Cards was going to fall, right? This. Came at a time that we weren't prepared. And those that, that continued to be unheard and unaddressed by health services by government, by general sort of media continue and are the most vulnerable in times of a pandemic.

25:41KT: So if you are talking about the staff, if you are talking about the, the, the family, the kin at the Pynk, they didn't have anywhere else to go. They needed extra assistance. Sure. Cliff could have said no, but where the fuck else are they going to go? And that's where you band together. You know, you're such a fucking hypocrite.

26:01KT: You're all about this. You, you are a revolution and you talk about this Judas and the Black Messiah. You talk about fighting for these people, but the moment they, you know, have a little tickle in your pocket, you're like, fuck off.

26:13Oti: It's not that Uncle Cliff was gonna get nothing. She was gonna get offered to meal.

26:18KT: Plus what aren't you understanding? It's not just Cliff for Cliff. It's Cliff for the Pynk

26:24Oti: Cliff for the Pynk across the road. Pynk.

26:27KT: Fuck. Vin Diesel. Cliff is all about the family.

26:30Oti: I just say we, we can disagree on that point. I'm just saying, I understood where Cliff was coming from. It's more don't bring up someone's dead kid and say don't don't, don't do shit too for them because they're dead.

26:44KT: Not many. You're talking about the importance of your ancestors. That doesn't mean shit, but be honest, even if that dialogue wasn't in the show, you would find something else to

26:52Oti: nah,

26:52KT: You know what? You know what? You don't look like Kim Kardashian, but with your, get off your ass and work 24 hours, we all have you fucking sound like her.

27:08Oti: Wow.

27:08KT: And now we find out that you're a billionaire apologist. What the fuck? Oti.

27:13Oti: I am not a billionaire apologist. I just,

27:15KT: where the fuck was the Oti that was crying over Scarface lyrics because this isn't the same one. Unless we went from Scarface to Big Pimpin'. This is, this is where we're going. I'm not entirely sure.

27:29KT: Um, you know, Oti might need me to sit on him to calm him down. So let's get into a topic that, um, you know, isn't as much heated, but definitely needs to be talked about. Um, I wanna talk about Keyshawn and I wanna talk about her storyline. Obviously, we're going to be touching on, um, domestic violence. We did give a warning at the start of the show.

27:53KT: Um, but I'm also going to put a warning in here because unfortunately, a lot of it is integral to her storyline. Um, I think as view. It can not necessarily insensitive, but because we are watching something with the goal of, if not by the end of the episode, by the end of the season, having some sort of character gr even if it's a regression, right with Keyshawn's character, we understand.

28:20KT: You know, when we talk about domestic violence survivors, it's not something that happens overnight. And, you know, both of us were a bit frustrated. I feel like I had a bit more patience, but both of us were frustrated at the end of season one because it didn't seem like it was going to go in a way that served her or Diamond.

28:39KT: If we're being perfectly honest, it was really just helping Derek. Um, and then we get to season two. Um, I, I, I don't wanna, I don't wanna get straight to the ending, um, because I do feel like there are a lot of beautiful sort of imagery. If we talk about the cinematography again, you know, when people talk about The Wire and the influences of The Wire and how a lot of the shows in the drug game really echo oage and have influences from The Wire.

29:08KT: I really feel like P-Valley is going to lend that to this genre

29:11Oti: a hundred percent. Um, I, I didn't understand Keyshawn's behavior at the end of season one, I was perplexed by it.

29:19Oti: And I didn't understand why Katori Roddy like that, because there was so many facets that we saw though, working towards half a, you know, we had Diamond being supportive, Diamond being there, and the way it ended in season one. I knew it was only gonna be one way. I knew that Keyshawn wasn't gonna shoot Derek. And that's why they didn't show it to us.

29:40Oti: You know, I, I, I, I instantly knew that. So it made me even more furious that when the second season came, we got to see that, Hey, Keyshawn left the Pynk, uh, Uncle Cliff and the rest of the girls don't really wanna associate with her. . I was like, oh, good. Don't do Diamond like that. But can we also acknowledge that we both haven't been in abusive

30:06Oti: We haven't,

30:07KT: we don't understand the hold that that has.

30:10Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Until they did a dedicated episode on Keyshawn.

30:14KT: Oh, I love

30:15Oti: And I was not ready for that. No, I was definitely not ready for that. I think it was back to back. Yeah. I think we had Teak, Keyshawn. Yeah. And those so heavy episodes back to back. And I was like, okay, I don't know what the show wants to do to me.

30:31KT: and once you to have a full range of human emotions,

30:34Oti: my emotions on the ground, I could not, I could not pick myself up from that.

30:40KT: You were crying from the reservoir of your ancestors that you say are already dead.

30:50Oti: I, you know what that episode, like only did it make everything make sense? It's added different layers to Keyshawn and Derek's relationship. You know, we, we can understand from, you know, a sort of empathic side of view, oh, domestic violence is bad and you can try to understand why they stay,

31:09KT: mm-hmm

31:10Oti: but seeing it later, how it was knowing that Derek was there, always there for Keyshawn when she was younger, he was like, like, there was just so many ties and things that make Derek not be this fucking asshole in Keyshawn's mind.

31:24KT: but can we also talk about the colorism in the room? Cause it's not as if she wasn't attracted to black guys. Right. But they were having a field day with the insults about her skin.

31:37Oti: Yeah. It's cause I was covering the show because we know we, we, we rarely get to see it done the same light.

31:42KT: Yeah. You

31:43Oti: We got shows like black-ish sort of covered it, but then everyone there was fucking light skinned, you know?

31:48KT: It's Wow. , I'm just saying, I'm just saying shit.

31:53Oti: I'm just saying, you know, it being covered this way and saying the effect and saying the attention Derek gave, cause he fucking knew what he was

32:02KT: doing. He scripted up while she was

32:03Oti: He knew what the fuck he was doing.

32:06KT: absolutely.

32:06Oti: And

32:07KT: with bacon fries and the milkshake

32:10Oti: and wow.

32:11Oti: You know, you just don't know until you see it all fucking laid out. Yeah. And it's added so much layers to who Keyshawn was as a character, but also explained a lot of the things that my frustrations her dependency on him.

32:26Oti: Yeah. In season one, every fucking moment in season one made bloody

32:30KT: It's like, why are you with this guy? Why are you with this guy? Yeah.

32:33Oti: And

32:33Oti: wow. Wow. I think there was nothing heavier yeah. In the season. Yeah. And I was just not ready. Like after we finished, we just had to take a break. Yeah. We just had to stay in silent for a bit because what the fuck had we just watched? Yeah. Wow. You know, a lot of the time people will hear P-Valley and just think surface level shit.

32:52Oti: Yeah. You wouldn't give you the chance because it's called Pussy Valley, but I think you are missing out on, on something really fundamental. Yeah. That explains a lot of the nuances that a lot of other shows don't really go into that level. Yeah, absolutely.

33:06Oti: And for them to have deeper episodes back to back, not only was it for, from an emotional point of view, I think I was just drained.

33:17KT: It was It was, a lot. And I'm not gonna sit here and say it wasn't. Yeah, because it was, it really did. I, I could not, I could not rectify whatever the fuck I just watched with what I was feeling. It was quality cinema and it was something that you needed to sit and digest. You don't just click on the next one and

33:33Oti: do not. You do not. And I, you know, I, I, I like, I like zoning out for most of the time.

33:40KT: time.

33:43Oti: and I was on the edge of my seat. Just watching this. I do not like, you know what, you know, one of my pet peeves for TV shows back in the day was back stories. Yeah. Just because it felt more like feeler than anything else they just showed you. Oh, we're just gonna dive into characters and give you the details of your fucking life. Yeah. When it didn't add anything to the show.

33:58KT: So you're saying when it's good and you're feeling momentum don't change position is what you're saying.

34:08Oti: Pretty much, but when you change position, make sure it's to intensify that feeling rather than to take it away, you know, so that you can, you can go another 10 minutes.

34:18KT: That's not the point. Oti, your friendly intimacy neighborhood coach.

34:22Oti: I'm looking for that Rings of Power. Um, sexual consultant of gig me.

34:27KT: three episodes Mayor coing of power in sight.

34:30Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know what they're consulting though. She's missing a trip. Definitely but yeah. Uh, but after watching what P-Valley did, uh, with domestic violence using Keyshawn I, I don't think I've seen anything like that and wow. Everyone should just tune in and watch the show.

34:45KT: I love how much you love P-Valley that even while we're covering it in spoilers, you're still recommending people.

34:53Oti: It's because some people watch, listen to shit. They don't watch. And it's a crime when it comes to P-Valley

35:01KT: shout outs to Ben from film busters. Cause he has . He has watched the first season of Pussy Valley because we continue to threaten him on this podcast. And I hope all of you, even if you enjoy it, if you're nest there, um, will go and check our P-Valley, cuz I will continue to threaten you also in the DMs friends and lovers.

35:18KT: Um, but I guess before we move on from this theme, it was so frustrating. I absolutely agree with you that it was frustrating even though I will never understand, you know, what Keyshawn or a lot of people in real life are going through, but when she saw the bruises on her baby, Oh, and we talked about it.

35:41KT: Playfully. We playfully talked about it in Beast. How you know it, it just didn't sit right with us that are white, albeit South African, but a white man knew more about the homelands than an American black man. Like we joked about that, but visually it's very unsettling to, so to visually see a white man, Derek beating a beautiful black woman, Keyshawn it just didn't feel right.

36:08KT: And then to, to extend that imagination to him beating his own child, that is also black. It just, Ooh, it made me so uncomfortable. And then it got contorted. It got manipulated to the point where Keyshawn is looking like a negligent mother. Oh, I really hope. And again, we don't understand the trajectory and the natural, you know, sort of dynamics of an abusive relationship, but can Keyshawn have some fucking happiness in season three,

36:39Oti: she needs a win.

36:40KT: But also she took too long, like on a non-serious level, she took too fucking long. Why was she doing a farewell tour?

36:47Oti: She did not need to do a farewell tour. what am right. For all the mistakes was like, you, you just park up, go, don't talk to anyone. Just leave. Yeah, fuck you.

36:58KT: Keyshawn was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna spend a day. I'm gonna drop my kids to my parents who are shit, you know? And I was like, no, just leave. That's stepmother,

37:06Oti: man. That stepmother is fucking Boger. She can get in the bin, but wow.

37:11KT: Can we also, we don't have time, but friends and lovers, one of these days, we need to talk about how sometimes our older generations, whether it be whatever resembles a parental figure or, you know, anyone else, that's your loved one, that's an older generation.

37:28KT: Can we also talk about, and have a real fucking conversation about older generations being like, I suffered through my husband, cheating, my husband, having a, you know, different kids. My husband beating me. So you should deal with it. Like we need to have friends and lovers. We're not gonna have it today, but we need to have that fucking conversation.

37:50Oti: We do. Uh, because I think that's what, that's, what, all the things that, you know, we're trying to break free from the sort of mental health, uh, stereotypes of, Ooh, we don't do those shit. We just pull it down. We just sold it in,

38:05KT: We just drink a whole case of beer in the

38:07Oti: because nothing's wrong with us. we just will depress sometimes, but we don't know what that feeling is. We can't describe it.

38:14KT: Yeah. Like the struggle is the identity, the,

38:17Oti: yeah, the struggle. Can't be the identity for far too long. And I'm glad that we are breaking barriers. We're talking about this shit because it needs to be talked about as a black person. I, I welcome it. I embrace it. I dare fuck it. I'm in there for it.

38:27KT: I think that says a lot that you decide in the final act to fuck it, but that's okay. you'll come at me with love.

38:43Oti: I'm

38:43KT: dealing with my own shit as well. So your need to fuck things is a whole different conversation. um, we, we do have some other more serious themes, but I think before we get to that, let's talk about Uncle Cliff and Autumn Night, because you kind of already talked about it. I don't know if we can both maturely talk about this, but I think we'll find out who's the trollish one.

39:09Oti: we're both Lord you, but, okay.

39:11KT: Okay.

39:12Oti: All right.

39:13KT: So Autumn Night has an idea that I'm for, because a get your money and go, no one, no, you don't owe anyone. Anything, especially with a LA I think a lot of the time when people are talking about Autumn Night, the forget that she lost a kid coming here. She lost her baby. And she's dealing with that with all that trauma on her lonesome.

39:38KT: But we, we joked about the farewell tool with Keyshawn, but that's how it is. If you feel a sense of family and you feel a sense of community, albeit it worked against her. It's not easy to just up and leave in the night.

39:51Oti: It's good. She left up in, in the middle of the night, you know, didn't tell anyone shit and took some money to go as well.

39:58KT: No, but that's what I'm saying. Cuz she never gave a fucking, the first fucking place. She had a baby by Andre. Well, to be fair, I would disappear too, but she , she, she had a baby by Andre, which of everything that had happened and transpired in season two. That would be the potential hook to Chuck, Lisa, right. For Autumn Night. And even then she didn't stay. So you need to understand,

40:25Oti: Britney coming back,

40:27KT: Messy, Britney, you need to stop it. you need to stop it. Where's your canola oil while were he? Wow. Yeah. You're welcome. Insecure, go and check out our three episodes covering all seasons of Insecure, friends and lovers. Um, but I, I think, I think what your negating is the strong sense of community, right? If you're constantly, if you're constantly snitching on your people, Oti, just say.

40:52Oti: say

40:54KT: No, but I think, I think you're not focusing on that. Like, you might not necessarily understand it, but you can also understand for Keyshawn.

41:02KT: You said, you know, that Derek was such a beacon for her in times where her own, you know, like her own people were talking down on her on skin color and that sort of thing. So she found solace in him and whether it was. Or whether he was putting on an act, there were moments where he did care for her. I, I don't, I, I don't, I'm not comfortable to say whether I think it's genuine or not.

41:26KT: Um, but at the same time she did experience some sort of love and she does continue to experience some sort of love, but, you know, the, the level of abuse is to the point where she needs to leave. Yeah. So what I'm saying to you is it's not that easy to up and leave a community, especially one that is so strong and so bonded and, you know, to have Uncle Cliff at the head of the table, it's not that easy because despite everything, you know, even with the PPE, the PPE, like all of the cloth, all of the, um, sort of equipment that they needed to have, you know, were, were they from.

42:01Oti: Mm.

42:02KT: So, you know, you had your bread from the mother continent, um, you know, to, to, to have the, the Pynk, be able to operate during pandemic times, you know, less than capacity, but still being able to operate, it becomes a family. It becomes, you know, uh, a sisterhood, right? So it's not that easy to leave it, even though you don't understand that. Surely you can extend that to this show.

42:28Oti: I can understand that to that show, but I'm not going to say that, oh, what I'm not is tripping because she doesn't see it that way. You know, because she has also had her own experience outside of what Uncle Cliff and the rest have built. And the fact that she had a kid with Andre and didn't tell Andres because Andre is messy as

42:48KT: Yeah. He's the messy one. Why are you calling Britney messy then?

42:51Oti: was a joke.

42:52KT: She was like the wife of Anthony Weiner in the background when he was Well, he was trying to do his fucking speech when he lost.

42:59Oti: Yeah. Andre's a mess. And you don't want, I deal with that

43:03KT: No, absolutely not.

43:05Oti: don't. Uh, but anyway, I think,

43:06KT: can I, can I point something out Autumn Night was trying to get the maximum return for herself point blank. And you said that and you know, cool. Maybe I might up and leave in the Autumn Night and, and you know, that would be a great strategy. Uncle Cliff was looking not even the most amount of money, but Uncle Cliff was trying to get money, not just for herself, but for everyone at the Pynk, for Ernestine. Do you see the difference?

43:32Oti: I say the difference,

43:33KT: then the court rests your honor, and

43:35Oti: that's why broke people stay broke. I'm just saying,

43:37KT: and that's why Jay-Z stay woke.

43:42Oti: yeah, I get it. I, I understand the community aspect and I appreciate, um, his volunteer effort in Toronto to keep it, you know, standing, you're

43:49KT: you're talking like the Kyle family and I'm not even talking about Corbin.

43:53Oti: Wow.

43:55KT: you're talking like the white Kyles. I understand you need your little community over there. This see these coins. These are mine.

44:09Oti: it's it's it's good. I understand it. I'm good for her.

44:13KT: You people need your community. Wow.

44:17Oti: We never gotta agree with this.

44:19KT: Well, Oti might be a fortune teller, but it's not for fellow black people. Oh, okay. Um, now that we've shaken off the cobwebs, let's talk about a more serious, uh, topic. I wanna talk about Big Teak, obviously, and again, we've, we've, we've put in warnings. Um, when we talk about Big Teak, we're going to talk about suicide. Um, there were a lot of beautiful moments, um, throughout season two, between Teak and Lil Murda, but I also feel like this is also strength of the Rio, that Teak, pardon the pun, kind of felt like a ticking time bomb and it's fucking understandable, you know, um, you know, there, there was a lot, there's a lot of injustices that happen to black people in America, even before George Floyd.

45:07KT: Right. And you, you can only imagine, you know, Teak coming out of prison and continuing, continuing, continuing to hear all of these injustices against black people. It makes fucking sense. What doesn't make sense is people choosing not to out of neglect or willfully ignoring the voices of black people at a time that they need to be heard in America. That's that's, what's more unrealistic.

45:34Oti: Yeah. You, you could tell that he felt all of it. He couldn't understand why no one was responding or reacting the way he was,

45:42KT: but he shouldn't have to understand it, cuz it's not fucking fair in the first fucking

45:46Oti: not, it's not. And he shouldn't have to understand it, but it's what, it's one of those things that also, it keeps on adding to the frustration. Yeah. Over and every time he'd hear something in the news, people are talking over. If it's fucking ordinary, no, it's not ordinary. Hey, stop. It. Don't change the channel when this shit is going on, because this is fucking important. Yeah. You know, and that's why they, the, the, he was conflicting with people like Woody, Woody, and he didn't understand. Yeah. Why are you not paying attention to this shit? Don't be desensitized to the suffering of your people.

46:01KT: I think it's a bit of both. I think it's not necessarily everyone else like Woody, um, and also Lil Murda and also Keyshawn, um, not necessarily Gidget. She, she was not helping the situation but we do love Gidget.

46:32KT: Um, I, I think it's not necessarily being desensitized in this particular instance. It's it's like it's two truths can be true, right? The first one is keeping up to date or, you know, you know, giving respect to those that have lost their lives or faced injustices as black people in America. That's one thing.

46:52KT: But the second thing is unfuck, unfortunately, for you to continue to go, whether it's pay bills or whether it's earned the money that you're owed, you need to go out there in that world. So in order to go out there in that world, there is a level of compartmentalizing. So I don't think any is wrong, but it also makes sense that Teak is, is, wants to be aware of everything.

47:15Oti: Yeah. It makes sense. I didn't say it was anything wrong with it. It was more trying to depict or trying to understand from his point of view on what he was going through. Yeah. Uh, it made sense because everything is heartened for him, you know, he's listening to all this shit that's happening and no one has an explanation.

47:32Oti: It shouldn't be an everyday thing. Yeah. You know, so I, I felt sorry for him. Uh, I felt sorry for black people overall, because this shit happens. And in as much as I think, I thought it was just trying to paint, uh, sort of the contrast in society where a lot of the times we hear about all these things that are happening, but we also, like you said, we need to live in the world.

47:54Oti: Yeah. You know, we can't as isolate ourselves. We can't take everything to that extent of, ah, wanna pat it all down. Even if we should, you know, we still have to be members of society. And especially if you're in like a Western

48:08Oti: Yeah, so it's, it's understandable. And it was just sad. And I think we saw, I didn't see necessarily him committing suicide.

48:17Oti: I thought he was going to try and get in a fight that would eventually end to him dying. Yeah. But wow. He was struggling with so much things, you know, outside of the struggle of black people, generally, it was more okay. Then the love of my life as bloody moved on. Yeah. How do I, how do I re how, what happened? You couldn't write me, but you were still writing shit out there. Yeah.

48:42Oti: Nothing was coming to me. Yeah, because he could, he, he, when Teak was still in prison, he used to get, he used to get letters every day

48:51KT: and, you know, cause I, I kind of took it as like a casual thing. And then as that particular episode continued, it was like, no, there weren't an actual relationship.

49:00Oti: Yeah.

49:01KT: You know, and for them to have such a strong sort of love and then Lil Murda leave and not because that was kind of how they bonded. Right. When, when Teak was in isolation, Lil Murda would write or Big Murda. If you, if you read the chain, um, you know, Murda would write words of solace that would get Teak through those

49:23Oti: Mm

49:24KT: you know, Oh, it's, it's like, like it's it's, heartbreaking, but it's also very necessary. And I think, you know, if I can just talk about Tarantino for a moment, um, that's why it's important for people to tell their own fucking stories, to talk about experiences that are within their proximity, because it is handled with so much considered care,

49:48Oti: concern

49:48KT: Because a, a lot of, um, a lot of the rhetoric is we need to talk about it. It's important to talk about it, but I think the extra caveat to that is those that fucking know about it should be talking

50:01Oti: A hundred percent.

50:01KT: Cause then you just have like Tarantino writing shitty. Through black characters, or you also have Sam Levinson or Malcolm & Marie, not to a detrimental sort of life level, but you, you have, you know, these pens that are not written from black experiences and, you know, cool, whatever, but also when it gets to the nitty gritty, when it gets to deep topics like suicide, when it gets to deep topics like, you know, abortion and domestic violence, it, it lacks that sensitivity.

50:32KT: So even though, you know, Teak's storyline was very difficult to process as an audience, it was important to have it. And I'm so I'm so grateful that it was in this show. Um, you know, because a lot of. Unfortunately, um, deal with suicide in some shape or form and to, to have that. And you, you talk about how it not necessarily being on screen and you thinking it's going to go a different way, but you know, if we actually talk about the scene and you saying, you know, that it, it might be a scuffle that turns into that, it kind of takes away.

51:08KT: From the beauty of that moment. Um, and I talked about P-Valley writers' room, how, you know, in, in this episode, as well, as well as all the other episodes, but for this particular episode, um, you know, there's a tweet thread, go and read it. Um, but it talks about that scene and it talks about Lil Murda making, not necessarily peace, but respecting the decision that Teak has to, to, you know, just no longer be in this life.

51:35KT: Um, that he, as an act of love, he stays there with him in that last moment. And it's hard to talk about because that's not necessarily something that is easy to digest and, you know, you know, there are topics about like euthanasia as well, but at the end of the day, in every instance, we should have autonomy over our own bodies and also our own lives. And I love how that scene nurtured that

52:03Oti: I could see that, but then I, I got over and then the after effects of Teak's death is Lil Murda will never be the same again.

52:13KT: Yes. But do to love someone deeply is to also understand that you're going to lose them. I'm not just saying through suicide, but I'm just saying generally to love someone, if you are going to love someone with the depths of your core, that also requires a relinquishing of control because you don't know how that relationship's going to go. Right. So even if Lil Murda wasn't there that night Lil Murda still wouldn't be the same after finding that out true or false,

52:42Oti: not to the same degree, because then everything spirals with Lil Murda. He's not, he's necessarily not even thinking about his career anymore, his future anymore, because we get to see him and how he handles the PCO situation.

52:54KT: Yeah. You know, that's a Lil Murda that would never do that in an episode before, you know, know? Mm

53:00Oti: he's, he's changed fully, even when the, the, even the, how he talks to how he talks to Uncle Cliff afterwards, it's different, you know, you could tell that he's no longer that sort of innocent. He was never innocent, but there that Vene of sort of a hopeful veer that, oh, this is Lil Murda. It's gonna be a little star. That's all gone. That's all gone. And I think in as much end, I appreciated that scene. The after effect are so much greater for what it means for Lil Murda as a character.

53:20KT: mm-hmm okay. I, I think, I think we both took it in different ways, which is absolutely fine because life is open ended and you know, this show is up for interpretation, but I, it's not how I felt in the moment.

53:45KT: obviously I was very shocked by it and I was very emotional, but I think just sitting in that, um, and also getting background on how they decided to write that scene, there was a lot of love there, albeit

53:58Oti: I don't deny it a hundred percent.

53:59KT: Yeah. So, you know, and, and again, I'm glad that they covered it on the show. Um, let's, let's talk about something else before we get into like the next heavy sort of layer. Um, I wanna talk about Coach and I wanna talk about Farrah. Um, obviously that has some sort of discussions about sex work with Mercedes, but what did you think about the whole arrangement with Coach, Mercedes and Farrah?

54:23Oti: Good for them live your best life. Whatever gets you off, mate. I'm not here to judge. I'll surprise Farrah sort of open to that arrangement, but then we get to see her sort of shift once she sees what Mercedes actually does. Yeah. You know, she was sort of snooty, snooty looking down on Mercedes. Oh, you are just a stripper, blah, blah, blah.

54:42KT: What would would you do if it's someone's at

54:44Oti: Mm-hmm

54:45KT: she was side-eyeing Mercedes so hard, you know, but at the end of the day, she got to see Mercedes as an artist, which was good. ah, Farrah frustrates.

54:55Oti: No. Like people are allowed to change and grow.

54:58KT: That was a moment for her her. Why do you need to treat people like less than human for you to grow? That's the fucking problem. I didn't like that about Farrah and you know, I might have even talked about it in the Minx episode, um, when we talked about feminism, um, but it fucking frustrates me, um, to my fellow women of the world.

55:17KT: Friends and lovers included. Um, if you're scared of your own bodies, stop fucking making others that is, you know, comfortable in their sexuality, feel uncomfortable, stop making them feel less. How are you gonna slut shame someone where you don't even know where your slut is? No, but seriously, it was disgusting because you know, and , um, we haven't talked about it on this podcast, but if you follow me on Letterboxd, you'll see my half star out of five for

55:43KT: Good Luck to You, Leo Grande. Um, I just, I get fucking frustrated because I understand we operate in a man's world and we exist to give men pleasure. I absolutely understand that. However, if you've never flicked your fucking bean, don't talk to me.

55:59Oti: me.

55:59KT: Wow. Okay Why G if your pinky hasn't found your clit, don't talk to me.

56:09Oti: uh, I, I see that I'm there with you, like Farrah. Wasn't the best sort of person at this start?

56:15KT: No, but I hate it because it's always perceived as, oh, she's a woman. He, he she's trying to figure out herself. He, he, but she was demeaning Mercedes at every step of the way. So you can fuck off,

56:27Oti: All right. I'll stay with your energy then.

56:30KT: Well, it was really frustrating to me, but her arrangement with Coach, um, obviously you can see that Mercedes was at an odds with it, with the P-Valley writers' room as well. They talk about sex work and how a lot of the time, because if you notice they, it didn't end amicably because of messy Farrah. Um, but it didn't end amicably. And in a lot of cases where the formal or informal sex workers can be out of pocket out of these sorta situations.

56:56Oti: Yeah, U unless you see all my apps for seven years,

57:02KT: Raising Kanan, friends and lovers. We're not talking about Fatal Affair. Um, even though perhaps that storyline might have worked for him there as well,

57:10Oti: have wild

57:14KT: Um, but yeah, that, that was an interesting sort of topic. And I'm also glad that they explored it on the show. As we're talking about Mercedes, I wanna talk about Terricka. Um, again, a lot of the storylines that were in season one are being bolstered in season two. Um, particularly there is a talk about abortion and reproductive rights with Terricka.

57:35Oti: Yeah. And, um, I'm glad I was surprised that they took it that way.

57:40KT: Well, it's the first sort of teenage pregnancy that we've seen on the show. So it's good that they've covered it.

57:45Oti: It is, you know, and I think there's this sort of people in the fields in the black community. Oh. You know, who are super fucking Christian of for some weird reason. Oh, push on this big yeah. Killing baby.

57:59KT: Uh, I'm glad they showed that. I'm glad that because Terricka's future was ahead of her. Yeah. She wasn't ready for it. Yeah. That's something that people need to discuss and talk about. Yeah. You know, you just don't bring babies in a world where you can't support them. I think it's like, I think it's like not fixing the tap, but blaming the bucket.

58:17KT: You know what I mean? Like if you are not gonna have proper conversations about contraceptives, then you really can't be talking about abortion. You know what I mean? Like you're not setting up your young people for success.

58:29Oti: Yeah. And I think that's one of the biggest sort of frustrations I had when we watch The Two Popes because a lot of the times, oh, oops. When I, when I, when I talk or when it comes to religion and shit like that, especially when it comes to Catholicism, that shit is at the forefront for me, you know?

58:43Oti: And, and you see the effect that it has. I can remove myself from that situation to talk about it properly. But with the show, at least they show you an angle of, okay, this is what happens. And they give you different area of emotions of what all that means. Yeah. So it's not just from one sort of point of view. Yeah. And, and that's healthy because we that's pressure is real.

59:03Oti: Because you need to talk about this shit. You know, there'll be people who, who will castigate you for doing shit or talking about shit like this, but it needs to happen. You know, like just as we are breaking barriers or talking about mental health, we need to break barriers, talking about fucking abortion and all that.

59:20KT: We were brought up in such a conservative world, you know, Superga UGA man rule everything. Wow. And, and, and we need to move away from that fucking nonsense. Yeah. And I dunno why we are holding on to fucking archaic views from people who didn't know better, literally that didn't know better. And I was also used to oppress people. Yeah,

59:41Oti: Yeah. Oppress the fucking nation,

59:44KT: like real friends and lovers. If you are not ready to talk about it today, that's fine. But religion was one of the tools of colonization. Um, and you know, a lot of people have faith and you know, in this fucked up world, if faith is what gets you through the day, then you know, more power to you, my friend and lover. But also can we also acknowledge the vehicle?

60:05KT: The FedEx white supremacy, Christianity was handed to a lot of us around the world. people talk about, um, you know, unethical, billionaires. How about unethical colonizing through religion? but do you want a revolution?

60:22Oti: That that's the thing, right? You, you, you, you don't know until you fucking read this shit.

60:27KT: Yeah. And the source material is fucked up. No matter how people wanna dissect it, now it's fucked up as hell. Yeah. So man, live your lives. Be happy, you know? No one's telling you shit. Don't don't don't, don't let society dictate shit for you. But that's what I loved about Mercedes, because she didn't care about her mom, Patrice.

60:50KT: She didn't care about shell, the stepmother that would judge her and scorn her. She wanted to do what was best for Terricka. And even in that moment, she didn't know what Terricka wanted to do. Obviously, you know, from her own experience, she wanted Terricka to consider her future, but she was, she was there for her. And if anything, that's what a parent should fucking do.

61:13Oti: Fact,

61:14KT: Ooh, friends and lovers. Uh, you know, some people are scared to talk about abortion. Oti does a one, two punch of abortion and religion.

61:22Oti: They're all tied together, mate. They're all fucking tied

61:25KT: They are. It's it's it's the string theory of white supremacy. Mm-hmm um, well, let's, let's go to, um, some characters before we finish up Oti. We've talked about Cliff. I just wanna lay it out there. That Cliff and Murda are my favorite television couple ever.

61:43Oti: Mm, nice.

61:43KT: You ain't never gonna take anything away. Are you kidding me? When they're on the dance floor for grandma Ernestine's party and they kiss out in the open, are you kidding me? And everyone's staring at them like the Scooby-Doo bunch and Cliff's like, what? Ah, I loved it.

62:06Oti: yeah, he had some really powerful, good scenes in

62:09KT: I just wanna end with Whisper and Roulette. Um, I also wanna give some shout outs to Woody. I would say he gets my MVP of the season award. He was really there when you needed him. And he also puts you to bed more effectively than the Sandman Um, Whisper is an interesting character. I hope that we get some, not necessarily dimension, but I guess, you know, the way you talked about us getting more of an understanding with Keyshawn. I hope we get that with Whisper. Um, but I'm loving Roulette.

62:40Oti: Yeah. You know,

62:41KT: a Gail Bean. We fucking love Gail

62:42Oti: Bean. Yeah. You know, Roulette has been through some shit, man. Four Canel. Yeah. She brought, she brought some darkness I wasn't ready for

62:51KT: I think, I think if there is a list of TV and film of people playing, you know, roulette with a gun she's right at the.

62:59Oti: Yeah, man. I, I, you, you can tell there's a story there. I can't, I cannot wait for what that is,

63:05KT: but she ain't never scared.

63:07Oti: She definitely, isn't

63:09KT: what also shoutouts to DJ. Never scared little babies growing up. Ooh. Uh, thank you, friends and lovers for joining us. Um, like this show, we experience a lot of giggle gaggles but we also talked about some real heavy shit. Is there anything else you wanna close off with Oti?

63:30Oti: No, just watch this shit if you've dont

63:32KT: already for so if, if they've happened to listen to two episodes worth of P-Valley, they should still go and check it out.

63:39Oti: Yeah.

63:42KT: we're gonna finish off in the segment. We call For Your Reference, Oti.

63:46Oti: I'm gonna reference the show that we are watching currently and that's Raising Kanan.

63:50KT: Ooh, very nice. I'm going to reference, um, my new playlist of I get new music from my TV shows, um, and also very sexy people looking through my sexy eyes, uh, Rap Sh!t.

64:04Oti: Woo. Nice.

64:05KT: Look out for it in your podcast, feeds friends and lovers. Cause we'll be covering it very soon.

64:10Oti: Mm-hmm

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