One of Them Days, The Last Journey, Uppercut & Mickey 17

Full transcript of One of Them Days, The Last Journey, Uppercut & Mickey 17.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and it is another Reference Max, friends and lovers. This is where we have a combined reviews on screeners and screenings that we have received. Before we get to that, Oti,

0:15Oti: Oti,

0:16KT: I saw you coming out of the boot of the GNX.

0:20Oti: A. Um,

0:22KT: friends and lovers go and check out the collab that is in the most recent of the podcast feed. Quick thoughts, because we didn't get the Oti Daddy stamp of approval. What did you think about GNX?

0:33Oti: um, stamp of approval, what did you think about

0:39KT: Wow.

0:41Oti: Well, what month is it? They come out in December.

0:43KT: November, I

0:44Oti: Yeah. Says a lot. Yeah. And you know

0:48KT: And you know what? I'm feeling good, Oti. Give us one more. In the BlacKkKlansman review, I was actually going to ask you to give us your best white voice, and I didn't get to. So, we're, we're loving on all each other. Friends and lovers, this is a gift. Can you give us your, your best Oti Stallworth voice?

1:08Oti: Actually, Geodax was quite I

1:14KT: No, I think.

1:15Oti: didn't. I can help

1:19KT: Not even Adam Driver can

1:20Oti: get on. That's

1:23KT: Let's get on. That's a bit of Viggo Mortensen.

1:26Oti: Mortensen. It's

1:28KT: It's got some Green Book connotations. Let's get on with the show. Hey friends and giggle gaggle all around the world lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host,

1:48Oti: And Oti.

1:50KT: Today we have a full schedule. We have quite a lot of reviews because we had our Spike Lee Reference Degustation, friends and lovers go and check out our Spike Lee run. It was gorgeous. It was beautiful, but it does. Um, so we do have some reviews that we're going to get to today, friends and lovers, One of Them Days, The Last Journey, Uppercut, Mickey 17, um, we have some more indie titles on the way as well, and I hope we have time for The Pitt, Oti.

2:22Oti: too. A full review for The Pitt. deserves nothing

2:25KT: We got 10 of them, bitches.

2:27Oti: bitches.

2:28KT: What a, what a sad, reflective New Year's we had, Oti. And we've been deliciously enjoying every drip feed, if you'll pardon the pun, of every episode that we're getting. And we're almost up to episode 15 of The Pitt. Also, friends and lovers, to tantalise you with some more spices as well, can we do a full review episode on Deli Boys, please?

2:50Oti: full review Deli Boys,

2:53KT: Tan France.

2:55Oti: Of course. Tan France. Right?

2:58KT: All right, friends and lovers, thank you so much, uh, for joining. If you didn't know if you weren't a who, Oti and I do have a Letterboxd account and from time to time we will share our views on things that we are watching, um, but let's get straight into it. Thank you so much to Jess and the global team at Sony. You would've seen it in the podcast feed already. We had the opportunity to interview the Keke Palmer, um, so thank you all round. We finally get some time to talk about it. I feel so sad that we don't have time for a full review, but this can be as chunky as a honey bun, if you like, Oti.

3:42Oti: Oti.

3:43KT: Non spoilers, give us your thoughts, Oti.

3:47Oti: and undeniable charm. Keke and SZA shine, bringing wit and warmth to a film that's both entertaining and meaningful. to a film that's and meaningful. Both in front of and behind the lens, One of Them Days delivers laugh out loud comedy, ha, ha, ha, and build, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, and build a layered world of friendship squabbles, community coming together, and delicious romance, a modern comedy classic.

4:30Oti: Wow.

4:32KT: I don't know how we fit that laughing in the pull quote. There's so much to talk about in this film and you know, where do we even start? I think the, the easiest, the most difficult thing for me personally, you know, friends and lovers, we've been doing this podcast since 2019. And I find it very easy to critique and review dramas, serious, heavy shit, but when it comes to comedy, for me, I'm like, it was so good, but there is an art, like there's absolutely an art to making a great comedy. And I would love to hear from you where you think it worked. I don't know if you felt like at some point it didn't work, but, um.

5:21KT: Does it, does it stack up with the comedies of your childhood and your upbringing? it, does it does, stack up.

5:28Oti: I think, first of all, I that it needs to as well. Let's be clear. one of the things that I think made this stand out was the chemistry between SZA and Keke. It just worked. Also seeing SZA act was quite wonderful. Right. Um, she nailed her moments. The comedic timing was there, like, you didn't feel a miss. And I think most of the time when you watch movies like this, um, the sort of SZA character portrayal doesn't really get to do much. Whilst in this, they sort of go against that vein where we see, you know what?

6:10KT: She

6:10Oti: She actually did quite a lot. It's not just all falling on Keke's back to carry the movie through. back to carry the movie through.

6:33KT: Um, with Phoebe, um, but I think of Synclaire from Living Single as well. If we talk about our woo woo woo girls, um, in media, whether it's television and film and SZA does it so well, like there's a, we don't want to spoil too much, but there's a moment at the start of the film where she jokes about getting extra exercise by tripping over her boyfriend's Jordans. And it just, it just works so well.

7:01Oti: does.

7:02KT: I think also at the same time, because the story is very specific to experiences and it's very culturally tapped in. You don't really, like, you don't need to be some sort of thespian to be able to tap into what's real.

7:19Oti: Oh, a hundred percent. I think just the dynamic and how they carry themselves throughout. I think, um, we get to see Katt Williams in there as well. Uh the

7:31KT: Was he, was he a Furious to you?

7:34Oti: He, sort of, but not as serious as you know, Furious was too much. Not too much, just, He he came with everything and he felt very Malcolm X-y

7:48KT: With him,

7:51Oti: With him, it's a bit more chilled and, um, message from Don't Be a Menace, you know, where we get to have those reflective moments as well. Um, but yeah, you know, from, was it Shea Butter or Cocoa Butter

8:11KT: or Cocoa Butter? Yeah, Shea

8:16Oti: Oh, It was good, good fun. You know,

8:19KT: fun, you know.

8:24Oti: Yeah, like they cover a lot from, payday loans to, you know, it's the systemic sort of way of which, you know, keeps You down, keeps the community, um, tied up. But, you know,

8:38KT: just need to, um, tie it up, but, you know. Screenwriter but also showrunner for Rap Sh!t. Lawrence Lamont directing also. I know I can feel the pain. I can feel the pain in your

8:54Oti: Ah, I miss, ah.

8:55KT: Shoutouts, shoutouts to Issa and the HOORAE team because there's a documentary called Seen & Heard. Um, that just premiered at South by Southwest and it's about black creatives and show running and I guess the building of audiences just to disregard the audiences that made them. So it's going to be very interesting and it's so nice to be able to, I guess, speak on it. But I guess to go back to the point of gentrification, like it's one thing to be able to cover that in a film. whether it's dramatic or any other sort of genre, but there is an art. There is an art to be able to cover gentrification, but also do it in a way that taps into the humor, which is the joy that you find through community.

9:43KT: Right. And, you know, we, we literally just did our Spike Lee run, like Do the Right Thing where you had the unks. I don't know if Roy Wood Jr. would associate himself with these

9:53Oti: these

9:54KT: Um, but you know, that we're talking about businesses, who owns businesses, who gets opportunities. And you see this through, especially a lot of black media and being able to, um, traverse those, you know, even in the quote that you were talking about as well, that sharp wit and humor.

10:10Oti: humor. Hmm. Yeah, it it does quite a lot, you know, from, you know, I think one of the better also portrayals of gentrification in movies was Candyman, and the way it was done the OG Candyman. um,

10:27KT: I know,

10:28Oti: the

10:28KT: white professor. Yeah, being persnickety and explaining it all. Um, but I think that's like a really great allegory in the way to Thoughts on love interests? You, you said that Taye Diggs was your, it stopped after Taye So maybe they're not 90s fine, but how did you feel about that? Was there a little something for everyone, a little something?

10:54Oti: I guess. I don't know. You're the one that wanted the 90s sort of, blokes in there. And to me, if it wasn't Taye Diggs, I don't know.

11:03KT: I'm just a personal intimacy coordinator,

11:06Oti: What can

11:07KT: What can I say?

11:08Oti: Um, the love interest was a bit cartoonish, especially when it came to SZA. yeah. Yeah, I was like, yeah. We're like, mm, Come on come on Keke

11:32KT: So, yeah, if, if, if the background kind of had met them at that level, but also it doesn't make or break the

11:40Oti: It doesn't, um, But he was in more scenes than I thought he would be.

11:47KT: Um, yeah, no, I absolutely agree. I, I loved it and I can't wait to watch it again. All right, friends and lovers, let's move into The Last Journey. Thank you to the team at Universal. We also have, um, an interview with Filip and Fredrik, friends and lovers, where I, I definitely made sure to have some time to talk about Harry Belafonte.

12:16Oti: Shake shake

12:17KT: yeah, I did. And I thought they were going to join in, but they didn't.

12:20Oti: Oh, we're watching this, um, animation, uh, no, I mentioned

12:24KT: Common Side Effects.

12:25Oti: side effect Um, it's I think on HBO and bloody hell. amazing Uh, you want me to go?

12:34KT: me to

12:38Oti: The Last Journey reveals the dissonance between memory and reality

12:43KT: reality Its emotional

12:45Oti: Its emotional core is strong, though at times, the journey feels more frustrating than moving.

12:52KT: frustrated than

12:55Oti: Yeah.

12:57KT: I want to get my whoo in your pull quote.

12:59Oti: Oh,

13:01KT: Oti, you're the silent assassin.

13:05Oti: It's not even that. I wrong though? No, give me, give me yours.

13:11KT: Ay what's up though? Accepting, or struggling to accept, the helplessness of witnessing parents get older proves to be difficult to separate from the intended elevated reality. Moments are understandable but also difficult to watch.

13:34Oti: Pretty much the same thing we said.

13:36KT: Absolutely.

13:38Oti: And this is the thing, right? Um, it's hard to see, Oh, and this is like the perfect sort of thing that or the overarching theme that we were talking when it came to Wolf Man. It's seeing your loved one change from the person you used to know to someone who is unrecognizable.

14:00KT: And that helplessness.

14:01Oti: And that helplessness. So overlaying it with this, you get to see, you remember your pops one way. And the memories and everything that you Think that he was, or is, is no longer there, or it's sort of diminished, and you want to rekindle and relive and be part of, you know, one last hurrah, whilst it sounds,

14:30KT: yeah, it

14:31Oti: yeah, it does sound romantic. It's not delusional. I think

14:37KT: Filip is quite clear.

14:40Oti: me there's, there's, the dissonance, right? Between what was and what is.

14:47KT: Uh huh.

14:47Oti: And accepting what is, and navigating what is now in a way that feels healthy. And, and, for, for both people involved.

14:58KT: involved.

14:59Oti: And, it's so hard to, it was so hard watching this because the moments where I felt very sad. Uh, because, you know, it's talking to things that most of us will go through, if not everyone. It's, that Aspects of those, like, niggly feeling of, come on now. Like, is this for the benefit of your dad or you? Is this for the benefit of, of TV? or your relationship.

15:32KT: That's interesting. Okay. Okay. Well, let's pick up on that. And honestly, your quote summarize everything, but I, I, I actually would disagree with you on that. I don't

15:46Oti: think No, no, no, No,

15:48KT: no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's just because you were saying is, is he doing that for himself or is he doing it for the cameras? I don't think he did it for the camera.

15:57Oti: think he

15:58KT: I think we just are seeing him document him being able to a certain extent be unable to accept that his dad's getting older. That's what I disagree

16:10Oti: me saying for the

16:11KT: Like, I don't think he's going out of his way to make a show and dance because of the cameras.

16:16Oti: I don't mean in terms of it being like a Jackass sort of portrayal. More in terms of what's scripted, if there's any scripted moments, or is it fully just unscripted and fully just leaning into what's being captured?

16:35KT: fully just leaning into what they have to say. For those that don't want to know anything, you might be a little bit nasty and you want to hear mummy and daddy talk about this. Um, aging mummy and daddy but still sexy otherwise, right Oti? Um, like I guess to give a bit of a context for this film, Filip's dad, uh, he lectured and, and taught French. Um, and he retired and Filip, And then there was an idea to do a documentary about his dad's life and what Oti is talking about is essentially, and also let's be very clear, medical tests were done on the dad and there's nothing physically, he's not diagnosed with anything.

17:31KT: He's just getting old. He seems like he lived a pretty good life. He's still living a good life, right? But medically. There's nothing quote unquote wrong with the father and I think that's where the first if there were going to be some barriers in this film I think that's where for me personally That was my first sort of barrier in this film and you know, like I've shared a bit on social media I haven't really shared it on this podcast friends and lovers But because this is a deeply personal film with intended, you know, elevated reality, but it kind of, you know, it's hard to, it blurs the lines of that.

18:15KT: But as much as it relates to this review, Friends and Lovers, I have a mum that has dementia, right? She was diagnosed at 58. It was early onset dementia, because if you're after 65, then I guess it's your garden variety dementia. Um, and as much as this film was frustrating, It isn't unrealistic to me because I also have people in my life that are like Filip, that are unable to accept the reality. And That was my first barrier because I am the sort of person that I get involved in the appointments in the organizing and the planning and that's part of how I get through the shit that I need to get through. I, I intellectually understand that that doesn't stop me. Unfortunately, it took me a while, but you know.

19:16KT: I intellectually understand that that shit doesn't stop me. I still need to feel the shit that I need to feel. And it's scary at the end of the day, right? But this film was a continuous, I wouldn't necessarily call it a denial, but like you said, it was a prioritizing. I need to be able to execute this recreation of my dad's life because what else is there?

19:46Oti: Yeah.

19:47KT: The memories, I guess, aren't enough. The, the time that you can spend isn't, there isn't enough beauty in that. Um, there's so much logistics and coordinations that go into this. And even if it gets achieved, how then does that, like, there are so many ways that you can bond with your dad. There are so many ways that you can bond. Yeah. And that's, right at the end of movie, by yourself a lot,

20:27Oti: have. that's, uh, right. And that's where we, we, we come, you know, at least at the end of this movie, you. You have your frustrations aside, but you felt a lot because in your life you've experienced one of these things and it taps into something, it does, because then you ask yourself a lot of questions, introspective questions, uh, you reevaluate the relationships that you do have, uh, what you feel that needs to be done, and I think that's one of the key takeaways at least for this, for me, is what, is there anything that I need to do That I need to make sure that is ticked off to ensure that my relationship with my parents, with whoever else is there, that is, you know, being fully realized in its entirety, without me feeling there'll be any regret if anything ought to happen.

21:36KT: Yeah.

21:37Oti: And, I guess, if anything. It does that, and you know, how many movies, how many movies out there can make that, can make you say that? So, in as much as there was frustration, at least there's something you walk away with. Yeah.

21:55KT: least there's something thank you so much to Giselle and the team at Katrina One PR. We are covering Uppercut. Shout out to Ving Rhames before we get into it.

22:13Oti: Ving Rhames we get it. I love that you had to give A nod

22:34KT: Ving for what, for what it was.

22:41Oti: I don't want someone showing up in my

22:43KT: in my ass.

22:44Oti: Give me some baby, baby, baby boy squats. I don't need it. They were,

22:49KT: There were, there were African squats

22:51Oti: Uh

22:52KT: call them baby boy African

22:54Oti: baby boy,

22:56KT: Uppercut's nerve centre operates from an aggrieved, entitled protagonist that is barely held to account and little room for growth, let alone pay off.

23:06Oti: Wow.

23:09KT: You can't get away from the Million Dollar Baby comparisons.

23:13Oti: You cannot.

23:15KT: It is also a remake of the German film as

23:20Oti: German film. Which

23:21KT: Which also had mixed reactions. I was looking

23:23Oti: the So nothing was lost in translation. This it, I didn't understand what they wanted to do with this movie. I didn't get I, I kept asking myself why a lot of the times As to why sudden decisions were being made, something references were being made. Use of language is very, uh, important and intentional. So when words are used and they're left to linger without any sort of resolution or without any sort of callback. you were left wondering what the fuck we're doing here?

24:02KT: fuck we're doing here. No, it

24:05Oti: No, cause then it goes into the spoilery thing, I think. What the movie does is give us a protagonist who feels a

24:14KT: bit Hard

24:16Oti: Hard done by, but then we don't know why. Um, hard done by to the point where Ving, who feels like has gone through a tremendous, a lot of shit. And the mere fact that he is a black man operating his studio, his boxing studio, whatever. and feeling as if, Oh my God, this girl has gone through it. I need to help her after 10 minutes of meeting up with her.

24:45KT: I think there's a trope of magical society for this.

24:53Oti: I don't know

24:54KT: What was a man's name? Darius as well. Like everyone was just like, everyone was her problem. Like everyone was a problem to her.

25:05Oti: She, She, she, is flawed and I think the movie is trying to portray the aspect of it That she is flawed, there's things going around her outside of her control. Darius thing lingering throughout without really knowing the wrong reason behind it. Um, even at the end where there's this phone call that she misses, I'm like, it feels it needs to be more pivotal than that, than what it

25:34KT: need to be more predictable than that,

25:44Oti: If that was all then brah.

25:48KT: of If that was all, then And it was because of a pretty blonde girl. Look! I guess it is. No! Maybe. Maybe. Cause I looked at the cast for the German one and they were all white. So maybe it would have helped thematically. But it really comes off like, oh, you don't know what I've been through. It was a blonde girl that's so pretty. Like, really, bitch? Get the fuck out of my boxing studio!

26:27Oti: It's the intersectionality, darling.

26:29KT: do anything. I'll do it. I'm gonna I'm ignoring you. I'll do anything and then he'll ask her to do one small thing for their training. I can't believe you would ask me to do that. Get the fuck out then.

26:43Oti: Rhames character extends too much for her.

26:47KT: He was acting. I hope he got all of his pennies for this film because he the performance that Ving Rhames brought to this film. Was not Warranted based on the performances of the lead, as well as the writing, as well as everything.

27:08Oti: I'm not the biggest fan of time jumps flash forward flashbacks. I feel like sometimes it can be used, as a crutch, but it can still be used well and relay a lot of important information and tie in story. But, oh my word.

27:26KT: Yeah.

27:27Oti: This was not needed here.

27:29KT: And you know what, like, it's one thing to, and friends and lovers, you're going to see it in Mickey 17 from me in particular. Like, it's one thing to, I guess, be facetious and, and, and generalize a film because of how you feel about it. But the very shallow way that we're describing it is exactly how this film is. That's why

27:54Oti: And that's why I don't get from a writing perspective on what they wanted to achieve with it. I understand maybe The German version would have been different, but what are we walking

28:08KT: With Million

28:10Oti: With Million Dollar Baby, you you, you understood what the goal was, what we understood what the goal for the protagonist was, throughout. We got to see her challenges, we got to see everything. Here we, we, we're sort of, a step removed. Yeah. And we are unaware of anything about the protagonist. It's, it feels like everyone wants to be part, within her circle.

28:40KT: be

28:41Oti: But why?

28:42KT: her

28:44Oti: um, we get this Tyrone Thribs? I

28:52KT: wondering when you were going to get to your favorite part.

28:54Oti: Oh man, if

28:56KT: Carl Weber level of writing character names. We

29:01Oti: Hey, we need a black boxer, let's name them Tyrone's Ribs, Jesus.

29:07KT: Jesus. That's a Boondocks, that's a Boondocks episode making fun of Tyler Perry.

29:12Oti: Tyler Perry. Oh my. anyway. This, an upcoming black boxer who wants to make it and wants to get, you know, an audience with the protagonist but for whatever reason can't or then by the end of it, she's part of it but she can't. Like, there's just, yeah, this movie had a lot of things just had me questioning what i was watching

29:51KT: Absolutely. Let's move on. Thank you to the team at Warner Bros., uh, opportunity to go to the screening and IMAX friends and lovers Mickey 17. Oh, you've perked up, hey feeling those creepers all up in your body.

30:13Oti: Mickey 17 delivers its political message with the overzealousness of a sledgehammer cracking a nut.

30:20KT: a sledgehammer cutting a

30:23Oti: performances shine but trimming the theatrics would have made it more impactful.

30:29KT: I'm actually not sure. I guess we can wait for the, uh, pull quote to go up on Rotten Tomatoes, Friends and Lovers. Whether inspired by the book or current politics, Mickey 17 sadly proves we are past the point of cartoonish tone was diluted and commentary too heavy handed to be as distant as the sci-fi genre can offer.

31:02Oti: you're getting your dunesaults but too bad we're in Sahara Desert already fam. It's not, it's not It's not special.

31:14KT: not, it's not, it's not special. I

31:19Oti: I enjoyed the film. I enjoyed the film, I just felt They went too overhanded on it. It didn't need, um, what was His character's name?

31:31KT: Ruffalo, uh, Marshall

31:33Oti: Marshall. Just being this character sort of thing that was, I guess trying to try to trump the mannerisms the way he spoke, the mouth thing, the overbite. uh, like it just felt unnecessary and distracting from what the movie's sort of message was. And I felt like it could have been done in a much more grounded way and deliver a more impactful sort uh, product at the end of it.

32:08KT: way

32:09Oti: Because we we have, um, your Edward guy.

32:13KT: Edi Gathegi? Uh, Robert Pattinson.

32:16Oti: We have Robert Pattinson, um, who I think did quite well with the role. uh, the Talking didn't, I got used to his weird accent Pretty

32:27KT: It took me a second time watching to get used

32:30Oti: that. No, I, got used to it pretty, quickly. It didn't distract me. It didn't take me out from it. It was just very stark because it just felt very stark coming. from him. Uh, but I thought he did quite well. I thought he did quite well on this.

32:43KT: always gonna do well

32:44Oti: He is. Um, but wow. I I think at the end of it, take out everything. very

32:51KT: everything that the movie is.

32:53Oti: the movie is. You didn't

32:55KT: You didn't say that about the Ving Rhames movie.

32:57Oti: No, because the journey is fully focused on Mickey and I think with the distractions of Marshall here and there, you know, whatever. you can sweep that under the rug of it. It's more getting into where, how Marshall grows and how he needed. you know, if It's Mickey. or how Mickey grows and whether it's Mickey 18 and

33:19KT: doesn't grow.

33:20Oti: he grows, he grows.

33:24KT: you're, are you doing this review by yourself? Let's have a repartee if you're nasty.

33:28Oti: repartee then Tyrone Thrips.

33:30KT: Too

33:32Oti: Rope-a-dope. Too

33:37KT: Uh. I want to go to the Trump comparisons because when I shared, I didn't even like, I think it was a social reaction quote, um, where I, I talked about it a little bit. I remember I showed you this quote that I was still going to do for the pull quote, but we decided it was a bit too much for a social media reaction when it first, you know, when the film first comes out and not many people get to see it, I kind of like rejigged it a bit, but. I'm gonna say personally, it was very annoying. I had a handful of people being like, Well, actually, this book wasn't even about Trump. And it's like,

34:20Oti: Well, the movie is, bish! Yeah.

34:23KT: bitch. Yeah. Urty, get on your ass, cause it. Um, and that's what's annoying me. Cause even if you want to say it wasn't about Trump, It had, I was going to say the red insignia, like it had like his hats. Um, but it also had the caricature and you know, this isn't a full review friends and lovers, this isn't even spoiling, but you're still going to get the FYR Oti Randy balls of it all. Okay. that man. Has been elected twice. He's probably got his favorite rooms in that White House. We're past the point of caricatures, friends and lovers.

35:07KT: He's already there. If it makes you feel better, sometimes SNL, sometimes Daily Show. They'll find very funny, even John Oliver, our favorite Brit. Aside from Ben, we love you Ben. Um. They'll find funny satirical ways to explain it, but the train is still heading towards hell. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, whether you want to say that this is about Trump or not, it was very heavy handed, like you said with a sledgehammer, like I said, um, pretty much in every word of what I said. Like, it's there, and it's so present. And it didn't even need to be there. Apparently in the book, Toni Collette, the wife's character, wasn't even there. And I think that would have helped to, um,

35:54Oti: Well, I think she grounded him. though.

35:56KT: But that's what I'm saying. I'm saying it softened the blow of the danger of a man like Marshall. And that was my overall qualm, quarrel, quandary with Mickey 17 and Bong Joon-ho, I love you. I still have my table outside of the official hive because they won't let me in. They definitely won't let me in now. Um, but I love you, love you, love you. The Host was a gorgeous way to meld sci fi. As well as commentary. It was a commentary about the U. S. military and its occupation and its involvement in geopolitics in Korea. Right? That was done so beautifully. You had independent sci fi elements and you had sci fi elements that spoke to and was woven inside of that same commentary. Okja was very jarring. The non Korean characters, pretty much the English speaking characters, I'm looking at you Gyllenhaal.

36:54KT: Were very caricature. Were very one sided, very one dimensional. And, you know, I still have no interest in watching Civil War, but there's something about, I think US politics in general, unfortunately, does affect a lot of other governments, including Western countries. So it's hard to not be. Um, aware of what's going on. It's hard not to be affected by it, but also at the same time, you, you're, you aren't on the ground in US politics. So to make commentary on that, it kind of shows like the proof is in the pudding essentially. Um, so I didn't care for that. I would also say that it didn't need to be that extreme.

37:42KT: Of, of, um, essentially Friends and Lovers, and if you've watched the trailer, Mickey signs up to be what's called an expendable. So his life does not matter, and for his actual job he will lose his life many times. And, to me, there's no need for that to be so extreme, because unfuckin fortunately, at the hands of capitalism, people are dying all the time. So why are we, why are we frolicking with Big Teeth Ruffalo trying to find some giggle gaggles about human printing and the ethics of it? You see what I'm saying?

38:19Oti: you. Um, you and I agree for the most part, it's, it's in as much as I did enjoy aspects, I did enjoy a lot of things in the movie. Um, I think the only, sort of, thing that took me out, like I've said, was the theatrics around it. You cannot say it's not about Trump when it's very clear, even if it's not, you made sure that it, painted that way. Yeah. And you can't divorce the movie from it. It's like watching The Hunt and then Lindelof coming out and saying, oh no, this was not about it when the movie was, you know, like you see it, there's no, just you.

38:57Oti: And there was nothing wrong with this film. There's nothing wrong. Yeah, there's nothing wrong. But trying to gaslight people into faking that, oh no, it's not when it is because we can make our deductions and be very clear on what, you know, one plus one is two quick

39:10KT: mouths. Yeah, absolutely agree.

39:13Oti: Um, but yeah, like outside of that, all that bullshit, I. It worked. I loved Mickey's sort of relationship with, I know you don't think it was love. I still feel it was love and I enjoyed every aspect of it.

39:28KT: I, I guess what I will say is maybe we just have a very different definition of love and I hate that I'm being so considerate about such a Slack slapstick Jim Carrey level movie. Um, but we all, we, we all Carrey level. It was, it was pandering and it was being dumb. Dumb baby. You've not

39:51Oti: watched URA to say It

39:53KT: doesn't he talk outta his butt. Really? And you didn't enjoy Shrek Exactly. I Judge

40:03Oti: Shrink. Just didn't appreciate it. Uh,

40:06KT: well just, just know who the Marshall is in this podcast or takes. Wow. Yeah, I said it. Hey, can I, can I see

40:16Oti: Tyrone Thrives with a knockout,

40:21KT: A TKO energy? Um, no, but you, you, you gesture in my direction, so I'm going to address it. We're all deserving of love.

40:31Oti: Mm.

40:31KT: Friends and lovers, even if we don't love ourselves. Mickey was so pathetic. And I don't mean that in a mean way. He was just very pathetic. He was very down on himself. You enjoyed that Macon, uh, joke as well. Um, but it, it just felt like he was just happy to get any attention. Nasha, I don't know. There, there were some moments later in the film. Then I was like, and you even were like, oh, she loves this man. Like, you know what I mean? But it felt very possessive. It felt very controlling, possessive,

41:08Oti: and controlling. She was

41:11KT: brother.

41:11Oti: Just because I don't wanna share Mickey 18 with other girl. Fa. No. Mickey. All

41:17KT: that.

41:17Oti: Both Mickey's and Mickey's.

41:19KT: Well, let's get to that. Let's have some fun take,

41:21Oti: uh.

41:23KT: Mickey 17, Mickey 18, which isn't too much of a spoiler if you've watched any trailer or any interview. That's how I got spoiled that there were two Mickeys. Um, well, can I have two Oti? Like what? Where? Let's talk about the moral quandary. It's our favorite genre. Friends and lovers, go and check out our Cube episode. Go and check out our El Hoyo episode. Um, thoughts. Mickey 17, Mickey 18, uploading the same memories to separate bodies. Are they the same person?

41:58Oti: They're the same person.

41:59KT: I think so too.

42:00Oti: Body is just a vessel. Everything else is what makes a person.

42:05KT: Wow.

42:07Oti: Yeah.

42:08KT: Come with

42:09Oti: the drip's energy. Fuck, it is the same person. It's um, and that's why I was with Nasha saying like, no, I'm not going to split Mickey 17 and 18. For what? Still mic?

42:21KT: Yeah.

42:22Oti: It's just different personalities, but it's still the same person. She

42:26KT: just wanted Mickey Mina.

42:30Oti: Yeah. Who would,

42:31KT: okay. Okay. Batman boy. Um, I convinced the coworker, apparently there are two books, Oti. Um, I convinced the coworker to read the book because she also loves sci-fi and I just needed to know things in the film or that weren't in the film. Um, and apparently when I was speaking to her, she, she was saying that she was really feeling conflicted about the two Mickey. Oh, and Nasha trying to nash on that knob. Right. Why those knobs? It was a double sided door. It was a double knobs.

43:13Oti: What conflicted in what way?

43:15KT: Because to her, there were two different people. Oh. Apparently in the book there's a, a captain that gives like an example of if you have a ship and you constantly change the parts, so all of the parts out of there weren't a part of the original ship. Is that still the same ship? So I guess they wanted to make it more sexy in this film, and they talked about that. Mickey 17, Mickey 18, but they also used the serial killer. Example, which might also be in the book as well. Um, but she seemed so like, she's like, oh, I guess Nasha is just free spirited. And I'm like, you're not gonna sex shame my nasha, excuse me very much.

43:55KT: But I can't say that on a Teams chat. But I just thought it was interesting that she had such a, like, it, she went through such a tizzy because to her that's so sexually promiscuous and me being me, I was like, I, I have no dramas there. I'm more worried about the implications of colonialism. Uh, let's finish up with the creepers thoughts on the creepers.

44:21Oti: I, I thought they were adorable. I felt like too. Well, I hope you

44:25KT: don't think I'm adorable. 'cause it was some ugly motherfuckers

44:30Oti: you didn't feel like running your hand through those little legs.

44:33KT: We know what sort of anime you watch, Oti. There's, there's, there's the FYR anime watching, and then there's the Oti in the dark corner. Anime. Oh, I like them. I like them. Love Naomi Ackie. Love Toni Collette. Yeah. But I feel like there needs to be a distinction made, friends and lovers great Performance does not a great film make.

45:04Oti: Yeah, I, I think the, the performances were very strong, but I think this movie, in as much as a, I enjoyed it. I wouldn't categorize it as great. I wouldn't categorize it as,

45:21KT: but it doesn't have to be great.

45:22Oti: It doesn't have to be great. Things can just be good. They can just be okay. Oh, lopsided. Yeah. Yeah. We don't teach him as well.

45:32KT: Why are you looking at me? Whoa. From a distance they look quite evenly shaped. Okay. Wow. Ah, damn. So subscribe to my only cans. Um, but yeah, there we have it. Oti. Um, is there anything else you wanna add? I.

45:58Oti: No, it's, it's, I think this is one of the fast marks we've done with that haven't contained a lot of enjoyable stuff we've watched through our damn dog. No, it's speaking truth to power.

46:15KT: Who's the power? We're independent. Speak because if you're fighting, if you're fighting the man, you're the man. But you're in a long life battle with yourself, bro. You're right though, you're right. Um, there was definitely a lot more that, uh, we could cover as well. So, you know, uh, subscribe friends and lovers to get more joy, um, for Oti. But who, who? Thank you so much, friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference podcast. Do you have any watching companions for anything we've covered? Just because you know, you said it was a bit of not as positive all the time. Um, are there any watching companions you would have for these films?

47:06Oti: Oh, The Host. The Host. The Host will be good.

47:11KT: Million Dollar Baby.

47:13Oti: Mm-hmm.

47:14KT: You got anything else? No, no on with tar until the wheels fall off and they're all falling off and they're burning on the Cybertruck already. Uh, we're on Bluesky. We're on Instagram and Threads, they've, they've lifted the block of me commenting and posting. So I'm on Instagram and Threads again, friends and lovers. Um, we're

47:39Oti: an email hello@fyrpodcast.com.

47:42KT: We're also on the Magical Society of Oti Podcast if you'd like to leave a rating or review. And we'll see you guys on the next one.

47:53Oti: Tyrone Frees out.

47:57KT: Wow.