Office Space – Emotionally unstapled

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0:00KT: Hey. Welcome back to another episode of For Your Reference. I'm the auspicious host today for Your Phrase or Mine. Are you ready? Oti.

0:00Oti: Bring it.

0:00KT: There's only one round. Mhmm. Okay. This is coined to Samuel Goldwyn, one of his sayings or one of his phrases. And the phrase is, get your dander up. Get your dander up. Your first guess is your official guess.

0:29Oti: Get your dander up. Is it more like similar to get your dukes up? Like, prepare yourself to confront whatever it is that comes across to you or whatever problem that may be coming towards you, you face it head on. This is a great technique. Just keep saying words and

0:49KT: have fun of these tits. I would say you are incorrect, sir. And you might get your danders up because it means to become agitated or angry.

1:00Oti: That was almost close.

1:02KT: Well, I guess that means I get to choose next week's episode. Let's get on with the show. Hey, guys. Welcome back to another episode of For Your Reference. Hope you've been well. This week, we are covering the 1999 movie called Office Space. Yeah. Yep. So we go through our day to day droning of life in an office, and we offload by talking on a podcast about office work. Yep. That we did. That we did.

1:58KT: And we've got some mixed reactions in the back that we'll cover, but let me just go through some stats. So this movie, as I mentioned, came out in 1999. The budget was 10,000,000. I don't know according time to be. So I don't really know if this includes inflation because I feel like $10,000,000 will get you a lot in 1999. Yeah. Right? I'm pretty sure Get Out was made for, like, 5,000,000. So the fact that this had more of a budget than Get Out,

2:26KT: it's it's interesting. I would like to know maybe out of this episode where all of that money went.

2:26Oti: So I think 9,000,000 went to Jennifer Aniston. 1,000,000 was the budget for the rest of the cast.

2:26KT: Turn this ship around, sir. This is not the Jennifer Aniston podcast, and you are more than welcome to start your own.

2:26Oti: I will.

2:26KT: You are not count commandeering For Your Reference just to talk about Jennifer Aniston. I will turn this ship around.

2:26Oti: Okay.

2:52Oti: So the budget was 10,000,000 which is the name for your Rachel?

2:57KT: I'm going to have our executive producer, our dog, escort him out of this room right now. Not in my household. Not today, Satan. Not today. So the budget was $10,000,000 for this movie. Opening weekend in America, it made 4,200,000. And the cumulative oh my. Cumulative. Oh, I think I said that perfectly.

2:57Oti: Yeah. You did. I don't know why you doubted yourself.

2:57KT: Right? I've been pronouncing things, like, in an American sort of way. I wasn't quite sure. I don't even know who I am anymore.

3:36KT: I don't know who you are either. For more about my existential crisis, tune in next week for KT Unraveling. Okay. So the cumulative worldwide grossing of this movie was 12,800,000. So not necessarily worth the venture, so to say.

3:55Oti: Not really. Yeah.

3:57KT: I I didn't know much about this movie. So looking at the I Am in DB, oh my. There you go.

3:57Oti: Are you alright today?

3:57KT: Doubt yourself once, and you'll come back again. I think that's a Kenyan proverb, isn't it? Oh, we can make you what? Next week. The trivia section in IMDb, we rely heavily on IMDb, as you can see, and also Wikipedia. But, you know, we're quite academic, so we're looking at IMDb today. In the trivia section, it was saying that the movie wasn't necessarily successful, but then it kind of gained a cult

4:32KT: status. Yeah. So I I guess that's where the popularity comes from. And it just so happened while I was in my day to day work job we haven't even talked about the cast yet, but let's let's let me just go through this quickly. I was in my day to day work job looking for a particular type of software, and that meme came up of Gary Oldman?

4:32Oti: No. That's not Gary Oldman. It's not Gary Oldman.

4:32KT: What's Gary Oldman's the other man, isn't he?

4:32Oti: Gary Oldman is Gordon in Dark Knight. Gary Cole.

5:09KT: Yeah. Gary Coleman. I I love Gary Cole. I feel like I love him even though I don't think I've seen him in anything. The train is derailing quite quickly, so feel free to rescue us. So Gary Cole. Right? Mhmm.

5:09Oti: You've seen him in Veep.

5:09KT: Oh, that's where I've seen him. Yes. Yes. But my point is I've seen that meme of Gary Cole all the time. Like, I've seen that meme everywhere. And I think we need to have a separate episode of bastardized memes.

5:45KT: Like, you know, sometimes you see those minion memes, and it has nothing to do with the minions. Mhmm. And people are just misusing memes. I feel like that's that's one of the most unforgivable things you can do. And it's everybody has that auntie on Facebook that's sharing memes out of context. True. Right?

6:04Oti: Yep. And that's why I stopped using Facebook in the first place. Right?

6:10KT: You just need to you need to get away from it aside from Mark Zuckerberg and his Oculus. Oh my god.

6:16Oti: Him doing the the the virtual reality of Was in Puerto Rico? Yeah. I think it was hurricane. Yeah. Oh, dreadful stuff.

6:25KT: Not the best. A bit a bit out of touch. I think once you start earning some money, you kind of Lose reality. You Yeah. You start with reality. I guess you get some virtual reality or some augmented reality, if you'll pardon the pun. Thank you. Welcome. This has been For Your Reference. So let's go back. The point was I've seen this meme for years and years and years. And I never really understood this meme. And then because of work, I had to look a software up that was similar to the name of this movie,

6:58KT: and I came across this meme. And my manager was like, yeah. You've never seen this movie before? So I guess when we were just rummaging around, you know, having a look see, seeing what we would do this week, we thought give it a go. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Because anything that generates out of a meme is worth watching. Right?

7:18Oti: True. You'd yeah. You'd expect some level of quality

7:25KT: Mhmm.

7:26Oti: In the movie, but that's a discussion for later. He said tentatively

7:31KT: Mhmm. With much trepidation. So let's talk about the cast. Usually usually, we've already gotten by the cast before we start talking about our feels Mhmm. And our hashtag emotions. Ron Livingston is the main character who plays Peter. He kinda gave me acroade Charlie Sheen sort of vibes. He does have some Charlie Sheen vibes. I don't and I do apologize to Ron Livingston if you are listening to this or any sort of family members. I don't know if he had much of a career, to be honest. I don't think I've really seen him around, but I guess we'll find that out.

8:05Oti: Well, you you like him. You've seen him in the what what what series was it? A Million Little Things? Remember? He jumped up on the roof. Yeah. He's the one that jumped up a roof. It's him.

8:05KT: That is not him.

8:05Oti: The one that committed suicide in that. That's Ron Livingston.

8:24KT: No way that's him. Really?

8:24Oti: It's him.

8:24KT: There's something about men that have, like, really skinny faces, and then as they get older, their heads get so fat. Like Martin Lawrence, we're watching Bad Boys the other day, and his face was so skinny. Yeah. And then how did his face get so fat? What's in the water? I don't understand.

8:44Oti: Something in the water. It's just aging, I guess. Wow.

8:48KT: What a world. Okay. Well, there you go. We've seen him in things. Yeah. We've seen him in things. He's been around. He's been around in Yeah. He's been Livingston around. There you go. And then the next build on IMDb is Jennifer Aniston who plays Joanna. We love Jennifer Aniston. Love is a word that exists.

9:09Oti: Remember when

9:10KT: No. No. No. Let let let's get through the cast. I'm not trying to stop you from talking about Jennifer Aniston even though it sounds very convenient that I'm stopping you right now. Let's continue. We also have the engineers, programmers, developers. Yeah. What are they? Software engineers. Software engineers. There you go. So we've got David Herman playing Michael Bolton, who we fucking love, but he doesn't love him. We've got Ajay Naidu playing Samir. Thank you for not putting his last name, IMDb, because I would have struggled.

9:45KT: We've also got Diedrich Bader playing Lawrence. Can I just say Lawrence was my best friend? I really like Lawrence.

9:53Oti: He's the friend that we all want to have. Right? He was good craic.

9:57KT: I appreciated it. We've also got Stephen Root as Milton. According to IMDb trivia, because we're so such learned people reading off the trivia page. No. Not even off the trivia page. On the opening credits. Office Space was based on the Milton comic strips that Mike Judge wrote. Yep. And let's give a shout out to Mike Judge. So he's the creator of Beavis and Butt-Head, also the cocreator of King of the Hill. So we can talk about that in a moment if you're interested.

10:28KT: We've also got Gary Cole, my best friend. Who was the one in Tarzan? That was Gary Oldman, wasn't it? Yep. Oh. Oldman and Cole. Two different people. Let's just say I'm a fan of all the Gary Oldmans. And, you know, if you wanna have a wine for a little bit Gary out there. What other Gary is there?

10:48Oti: I don't know. Gary Supitik?

10:51KT: The only Gary I can think of is SpongeBob's snail. His name was Gary.

10:51Oti: Was he?

10:51KT: I don't think you ever watched SpongeBob.

10:51Oti: Yeah. I wasn't a fan. Didn't really get into it.

10:51KT: There's like a there's like a squid a handsome Squidward hole in your heart. That's a meme as well, babe.

10:51Oti: I wouldn't think it's handsome, but

10:51KT: No. There's a handsome okay. Just for the phonetics, I'm going to Google handsome Squidward right now. I guess this would be helpful if you ever saw

11:24KT: a video of our podcast, but you kinda have just just just to deal with our reactions. So I need you, Oti. I've googled handsome Squidward. Yep. And I now need you to react appropriately because keep in mind, there's no visual for our handful of dedicated listeners. And we love you guys, by the way. Feel free to send us a line on hello@fyrpodcast.com because we would love to hear from you. But, again, I'm going to show Oti handsome Squidward,

11:57KT: and let's get his initial first thoughts and reactions. Again, they don't have a visual, so you'll need to react accordingly. This is handsome Squidward.

12:09Oti: It looks like The Mask.

12:09KT: Right? This is goals, babe.

12:09Oti: It looks like Jim Carrey's The Mask.

12:16KT: The Internet is lost on you. Log off, sir. Unsubscribe.

12:22Oti: Oh, guess I was just born before everything went to shit.

12:22KT: Are you gonna burn it all to hell?

12:22Oti: Yep.

12:30KT: You're gonna die a glorious death? Scarlet. I'll see you in Valhalla. Let's continue on. I don't think I even mentioned. Gary Cole played Bill Lumbergh. I didn't even mention who he played. So there you go. And then we've also got Richard Riehle, who plays Tom as well. So let's let's leave it there because I'm pretty sure if you've got some working Internet connection to even listen to this episode, you probably have enough to go on to IMDb and listen to read more about the characters if you're interested.

13:07KT: So, yeah, this is created from Mike Judge. Are you acquainted with the masterpiece works of Beavis and Butt-Head and King of the Hill?

13:20Oti: So funny thing is Beavis and Butt-Head wasn't that big in Kenya.

13:20KT: Is that funny?

13:20Oti: No. Not really. No. Because when when you watch when you watch a lot of shows or whatever, they reference Beavis and Butt-Head as this Yeah. Cult Right. Classic thing. And it didn't really get that much attention back in Kenya. We knew of it, but to a level it was just like, nah. Not really. Not for us.

13:45KT: So King of the Hill ran from 1997 to 2010. Shit. Right? Obviously, it probably jumped the shark well before 2010 as many shows of this sort of format do. I think King of the Hill was a bit disjointed from my sort of experiences as a brown girl in Australia.

13:45Oti: You're right. We we we tried watching it together, didn't we?

13:45KT: We did we did try and watch it together, but just just in my childhood before I met you, we were barely allowed to watch The Simpsons.

14:28KT: Oh. So What? Yeah. Right?

14:31Oti: What's wrong with The Simpsons? It's the most PG thing out there.

14:35KT: My my my mom and my auntie, it just it just wasn't for the culture, and it wasn't for our religion. We just weren't allowed to watch it.

14:44Oti: Right?

14:46KT: Crazy. Even though I'm pretty sure I've seen many of my uncles, you know, choke their kids out like Bart did, like Homer did with Bart. Like, that's probably the most relatable thing I've ever seen. But yeah. So I guess it's even in its early days, it wasn't that controversial, The Simpsons. Right? But I think just in general, because it did do things that weren't out at the time, it wasn't necessarily welcomed in the living rooms of families.

15:21Oti: That is strange.

15:21KT: I mean, ethnic families.

15:21Oti: Sorry. We used to watch The Simpsons. I remember I was a kid and we'd just sit there with the whole family and watch it. Really? Yeah. That again, we watched raunchy music videos together. Yeah.

15:21KT: You used to watch Tip Drill with your family.

15:21Oti: Not to that extent.

15:40Oti: Sorry. The the clean version of Tip Drill.

15:40KT: So, like, two seconds of it?

15:46Oti: Just didn't look at each other when we saw sex scenes or women in bikinis or whatever. We just stare at the screen, don't look to the side, and you're good. Really? Yeah.

15:58KT: My my family is so culturally and religiously repressed that they would actually blame us kids that the sex scene is happening on TV. Right? That, like, that that made no sense at all. And they would get angry at us that it was happening. Like, we willed it to happen.

16:20Oti: Well, my rents didn't really care what was on TV unless as long as I got to watch the news or whatever programs they wanted. And then the rest of the time, was just us even if they're just chilling there. Yeah. Because Tip Drill was very educational. It showed you how to make effective transactions. Exactly. How else would you know how to swipe your card? Right?

16:39KT: Do the coin swap. Because it must be your ass because it ain't in your face. He gave us good things. He gave us two good things betwixt each other. So let's go back to Office Space, which may be just as exciting. I feel like we've we've veered away from the most exciting topic of this episode. If you're interested in talking more about tip drilling and our experiences growing up with our repressed religious families, feel free to let us know because that was just the tip of the iceberg, if you'll pardon the tip. So Welcome.

17:25KT: If if if it's not dripping in spoilers, it's dripping in debauchery and outright salaciousness. Welcome to For Your Reference.

17:34Oti: Alright. So what were general thoughts what were your general thoughts on the movie?

17:43KT: My general thoughts were, I guess, I am in this path of life. I'm trying to, I guess, teeter on the precipice of what makes a movie great and how much of it is bolstered in cultural significance and also the time that it came out. Because Office Space, which we will talk about eventually, came out in 1999. So just as a frame of reference, if you'll pardon the pun, I just wanna talk about the different types of movies that came out at that time. Because in a nutshell, and we will go into more detail, I did feel like Office Space wasn't as

18:26KT: as bitey or as witty as I wanted it to be. The reason why I like this movie Office Space is because it had relatability to it. Because you and I, sir, are in that droning nine to five sort of volition right now. So a lot of it was relatability about the movie that I liked about it. It wasn't necessarily because it had sharp writing, so to speak.

18:52Oti: And I fully agree with that. Like, I wouldn't even say tethers on the precipice of greatness. It doesn't Oh, no. Go towards that precipice at all.

19:04KT: I would This say was this movie was released at the time that King of the Hill came out. So it wasn't like after King of the Hill. So he was still heavily involved in the show when he

19:16Oti: When I when told you when we're watching it, it felt like someone took a concept of a five minute skit and just stretched out the stretched it out to a whole movie. Oh, yeah. Totally. Like, it's it's not bad.

19:28KT: I appreciate it. I appreciated its groundability, though, because it could definitely have just catapulted into something that wasn't really grounded in reality. I did appreciate that it still had that droning of office life.

19:28Oti: True. But the first thirty minutes is what got me hooked.

19:28KT: Hang on. Let's let's rewind. The first seven minutes

19:52KT: was the best part of like, the best part for me. He was in his car. However you commute to work, no one's gonna have a fun time. Unless you're listening to For Your Reference on your way to work, you're you're You're living life, man. Oh, yeah. Crushing it. It's all of our phrases. Not just yours or mine. It's everyone's. But, you know, the commute to work is enough to eat away at you. You know, hopefully, you guys aren't commuting too far for work because that will get you.

20:20Oti: Oh, I have colleagues commuting three and a half hours to work each day.

20:26KT: That would kill me. Three and a half? Three and a half. Are they in the outback? Like, where are they?

20:26Oti: Well, people love their houses, so they

20:26KT: Jump on their joeys and make their way to work?

20:39Oti: Jesus Christ. That would be a way to commute. Just get on your joey and skip along.

20:45KT: Isn't that what we all do in Australia?

20:48Oti: Yep. Maybe that and spiders.

20:51KT: Oh, spiders are out Yeah. To get No. Spiders are dicks. I don't think they'll ever help you.

20:56Oti: Oh, unless they try to get you to be super Spider-Man.

20:56KT: This is this is not Charlotte's Web, mate. You were in for a world of pain.

20:56Oti: Oh, not Charlotte's Web is a movie. That's great.

21:06KT: But that's not what we're talking about today. It'll be interesting to see how how much of this episode is canon.

21:19Oti: Well, it's you can't blame us because the movie itself doesn't have that much to talk about anyway in the first place. No. But that's that's not even the point.

21:29KT: Again, I keep saying welcome because I do love welcoming people. It's kinda my thang. But, you know, if you've never listened to one of our episodes before, we every every part of our conversation spawns off on whatever the centerpiece of the episode is. So we always try and come back to the centerpiece of the episode. But at the same time, if you're looking for a play by play, scene by scene, you know, what does this wide angle mean? There there are many well more meaning, well more intended

22:06KT: podcasts that do it. We're kind of like, you know, that couple that fight about TV shows and movies that you're gonna have a good time with. You you might not leave being any wiser, but you'll definitely enjoy your time with us.

22:25Oti: Oh, you'll definitely leave being the wiser.

22:28KT: Yeah. Because we'll tip drill you on the way out.

22:32Oti: Yeah. Can't on that for sure.

22:35KT: If if any of you kids are listening and you don't understand what tip drill is, please let us know for science. We're taking a survey just to understand. So the the point that I was making was, let's talk about the movies that were coming out in 1999 because we were saying lots of objective things about the movie Office Space, but I just wanna give some context about what was out at that time. Because we can easily say, you know, Arrested Development is known for its bitey commentary and the way that it's able to weave

23:14KT: running gags throughout the show. Right? Steve Holt. Steve I Arrested Development is one of my most favorite shows. Right? We can talk about that. We can also talk about, you know, a lot of shows or movies that we enjoy even now. Right? Mhmm. But we also need to understand the context of the movie when it came out Yep. And what was rivaling it at the time. Mhmm. I think that's also important to note because

23:49KT: for all of the things that we're saying, I'm not saying that Office Space is a bad movie, but it's definitely pioneering as far as I understand in regards to it's not just funny because it's a slapstick sort of humor, but it's also funny because, you know, unfortunately, majority of us, like, live a drone life. Yeah. Right? Yeah. When we were watching the movie of him waking up and going to work or, you know, struggling to commute to work, go to work, constantly check his watch,

24:24KT: which you can just do off the laptop now. But, you know, always checking when is lunchtime. I just need to make it to lunchtime. Go out to coffee with your friends. Come back. Make it to lunchtime, then it's lunch, and then you go out for your second coffee if you're so blessed. And, you know, I I was watching this movie, and I was like, shit, man. What a life. And then I'm like, oh, actually, my life isn't that much different. So I I did appreciate that realism that it had.

24:55KT: Right? So let's let's just before we actually do a deep dive into the movie Office Space released in 1999, which is what we're talking about today if you're confused, This is what came out in 1999, The Matrix. The

25:12KT: Matrix needs a rewatch, I think, so we can do an so we can do an episode of it.

25:12Oti: Think I've watched it, like, 10 times already or even more.

25:12KT: Do you wanna give us a play by play?

25:12Oti: That's alright. I'll I'll save you all for the next episode that we're

25:12KT: You know Laurence Fishburne's daughter wasn't in this movie. Right?

25:30Oti: I could argue that she was. The

25:33KT: Just look at Laurence Fishburne. The The first person to understand that reference, send us a email.

25:41Oti: You've said it to you've said it before in the podcast as well. Right?

25:41KT: No. I haven't.

25:41Oti: Are you sure? I feel like you've said it before.

25:41KT: I think you've been thinking about Laurence Fishburne's daughter, but I have not.

25:41Oti: I think her name is Montana Fishburne. You need to be more respectful, please.

25:56KT: Sure. It's not like Chardonnay Fishburne. Cristal Fishburne.

26:03Oti: Classic.

26:04KT: Well, there you go. It's out there, guys, and I won't even put it as a snippet on our Twitter. So if you're actually listening to this this episode and you understand the reference of Laurence Fishburne's daughter and Oti watching her, feel free to send us a link at hello@fyrpodcast.com. Alright. So let's go back to movies that came out in 1999.

26:27Oti: Yep.

26:28KT: The Matrix, Fight Club, which unless we have truly dedicated fans that are going to force us to talk about Fight Club, I'm really not about that life. I think I want the second time I was watching it was with you and you were not a fan.

26:44KT: And you were more than happy to stop the movie right then and there? Yeah. Okay. Well, let's let's let's leave that alone. 10 Things I Hate About You, Heath Ledger. That's all you need to say for that. Yeah. Pretty much. I'm trying to look for comedies because it's not really fair to, like, rank it against other movies. I guess you could call American Pie a movie. So I guess it's just a point to say that it's very pioneering. It came out at a time that wasn't really doing

27:13KT: as far as I understand, it wasn't really doing situational office sort of comedy. So it does deserve plaudits for that. Yeah.

27:21Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like pioneering is such a strong word.

27:21KT: Okay. What word what word would you use, sir?

27:21Oti: I have no idea what word I'd use to I've describe

27:34KT: given my initial impressions of this movie. Do do you wanna go ahead and say how you felt about it?

27:42Oti: Alright. So we both work in an office and in a cubicle because I'm in a cubicle. And in IT. Yeah? Yes. So it was so relatable, like mundane ness of going to work, doing a nine to five, and all it entails, the commute, you know, it's all there.

28:00KT: Did you get the memo though? Oh, the memo. Every single time. Did you get the memo though?

28:08Oti: Like, it's so you're like, oh my god. This is so relatable.

28:12KT: But it looks like someone's got a case of the Mondays.

28:15Oti: And then that's what? The first starting minute of the movie. Right? Yeah. So we go to the main characters, Peter

28:24KT: Peter.

28:25Oti: Trying to well, he's been hypnotized and the person who was hypnotizing him died midway before he snapped his finger, brought him back to reality. Yeah. So he gives zero fucks. Yep.

28:38KT: And this Which was different because previously, he was a pussy and he kind of just did whatever anyone told him to do.

28:44Oti: Like what we all do. We all do our nine to five because we have to. We have to pay the bills. We all have to work to get our money.

28:52KT: Yeah. Otherwise, we'll be doing everything to do with this podcast every day. Yeah.

28:59Oti: So his his laissez-faire attitude to life and to work gets him a promotion. And he sees this as shitty, and his friends two friends at work are getting fired. So he decides, okay. You told me about this virus. So how do we get it to, you know, how do we get to put it into the system so we can get a few pennies? And in two years, we can have enough money to get the fuck out of here. So let let's go to that.

29:30KT: Peter's character seemed to be you know, he essentially was a drone. But even when he went into hypnosis, he didn't really seem to care for much. So were you surprised when he actually cared for and actually tried to devise a plan for his buddies, Michael Bolton and Samir? Not really. Because

29:54Oti: he showed that he did care about, not care about, they were his friends. I wasn't expecting him to, like, actually care about it. When he felt low, it was the two guys that he went to to say, hey, let's just go and grab a cup of coffee because I feel like I'm gonna blow my head up. You know?

30:15KT: And can we just say shout outs to everyone's, like, wife, husbands and wife, husbands. Work husbands.

30:21Oti: Oh, man. I was gonna see where you're going with this. That's some freaky shit. Yeah. Right?

30:27KT: Shout out to everyone's work husbands and work wives even though Oti is not allowed to have any work wives or any sister wives.

30:36Oti: None that you know of.

30:37KT: None that I know of because as we know, there are many Oti baby Otis running around in the world. But, you know, shout out to the colleagues that make it worth getting through the day at work. I don't think it's it's it's definitely worth mentioning because it definitely makes people worth getting through the day if you have a solid sort of crew that understands what you're going through at work. And, you know, as soon as shit hits the fan, you can talk to them about shit. That's very important.

30:37Oti: Remember my first nine to five? Like, I've

31:14KT: In Kenya or here?

31:14Oti: Yeah. Like, in Kenya, I was so averse of not doing a nine to five at all. Yeah. You're like And I was like, no. That's not my life. I'm just gonna do my own thing. I'm gonna start my own side hustle. And then when I had to do that nine to five, far out, far out, that killed me.

31:37KT: I could physically see your soul leaving your body. Yeah. Physically, I could see it.

31:42Oti: And that's what happened to the movie. Like, I felt the soul went out of it once it started going beyond Office Space. Oh, wow. And it became about Peter, Samir, and Michael. Yeah. And Michael. Yeah. Trying to come up with this plan to accept money for all rest us. Yeah.

32:01KT: Like, from that, then it's not relatable, is it? Yes. Actually, because there are a lot of things that Peter's character did that I would never do because I understand the man, and I understand the systems that be. And as much as I wanna cuss people out, I do know that there is a framework that I need to live within. There is a happy ecosystem that exists, and I need to maintain that order. Right? As much as I wanna give people the bird and walk back with two packs, I ain't mad at you.

32:39KT: I know I can't do that because at the end of the day, Oti needs to eat. Our executive producer, our dog needs to eat. And, you know, I gotta get a bite in every now and then. So, you know, there there are certain things that Peter did that, again, it's much more than, like, Guardians of the Galaxy. This movie is pretty much rooted in reality. But a lot of the things that Peter did when he was in that comatose

33:06KT: not comatose because I guess he would be bedridden. Right? Yeah. He was in the sunken place. Okay? Let's let's hashtag be real. Okay? When he was in that sunken place, he was in that hypnosis sort of state. There were lots of things that he did that just made me feel uncomfortable.

33:25Oti: Or maybe that's also the point, like, to show us what we all want to do in an office. Yeah. Which is cool. Like, when when the boss when Lumbergh comes and tries to talk to Peter about it, and he just walks straight past him, like, you do not exist to me. Exactly. Like, I was like, wow. We all wish we could do that. Right? Like, just

33:25KT: You can't. You don't like technology.

33:52KT: Yeah. Which is fine, and it's cool, and it's super key. But at the end of the day, you've got bills to pay. True. So that Can I can I just say and we do love you guys, so I'm not pinpointing anyone? But both of us are POCs because we're super PC at For Your Reference. Both of us are person of color. I'm a woman. You're also a man. But I feel like because he was a white man, he could get away with saying that shit. Could you could you say that shit tomorrow?

34:27Oti: No. Even Samir couldn't say that shit. If Samir was the one saying those shit Yeah. He would have been fired straight up. I I didn't Samir would have been fired if it was him.

34:40KT: If if Samir was to say that shit, yeah, he definitely would have been that ungrateful immigrant.

34:45Oti: And, actually, one thing that they got right is the attitude Oh, yeah. To work. Between the different cultures because you could see Samir. He's just happy to be there. Yeah. Fucking hell, man. It's it's work. It's not supposed to be this enjoyable experience. It's fucking work. I need to get my I need to get bills paid, and that's it. Yeah. Nothing more, nothing less. It's work. Mhmm. Yep. I give I give them credit for that because that's so realistic.

35:10KT: Oh, yeah. Totally. Because

35:12Oti: to migrants that have a struggle to get work, it's not it's not that we enjoy doing the shitty work that we do. It's just But you know that you have to endure it. We endure it because it's work. You know? It's just we see it as that. It's not supposed to be this mind boggling experience of, oh, you know, I'm sustaining myself whilst expanding my horizon whilst Uh-huh. We're just getting to the bottom of it, you know, like, it's work. It's getting the bills paid and that's it.

35:43KT: I did I did appreciate that because it it was quite refreshing. For all of the frivolity that was going on in this movie, $300,000 in a day. What was Michael Bolton? He reminds me of our guy from Prisoners. Oh, wow. Also at Escape at Dannemora. He reminded me of that guy. I feel like they would be related if if not by any sort of venture. They would definitely be related. Paul Dano. He reminds me of Paul Dano. Yeah. But in any case Mhmm. Michael Bolton, his character, he was a fucking liability.

36:28Oti: In what sense?

36:28KT: He fucked up the software. That's why they got $300,000 in a day.

36:28Oti: What?

36:28KT: Were you watching the movie?

36:28Oti: Oh, it's fine. I I thought I watching the movie?

36:41Oti: I took it in a different way. But, yes, he definitely he's one idea. He's one good idea that he's been

36:45KT: When when you're in prison, there's only one way you can take it to.

36:45Oti: Well, he's

36:45KT: Actually, there's a there's a few ways, if you'll pardon the pun, but we're not getting into that. Let's make sure we're not missing any characters. Is there anyone you wanted to bring up?

37:02Oti: Jennifer Aniston, who played Joanna.

37:05KT: I'm sorry. I thought it's weird that you think that this is a democracy. Oh, really? And that you have a choice in what we talk about. Okay. Go ahead.

37:16KT: But you're on you're on borrowed time.

37:16Oti: So I never really worked. I've never worked in fast food kind of thing, have you? Hospitality?

37:26KT: Yeah. I'm not sure. I feel like you cut me for time, but I have worked in hospitality for a very short amount of time. I'll talk about it in moment.

37:26Oti: Spinning So Chris Brown? What was his name?

37:26KT: There's a lot we need to unpack there, and we do not have the time. On on on a very primitive Neanderthal level, you are maybe almost correct. Let's just that's a that's a tasty morsel. In writing, I think they call that a cliffhanger. So let's leave that at that. Yes. I was spinning Chris Brown.

38:08KT: But let's let's just leave it at that, and let's move on.

38:08Oti: Okay. So

38:08KT: See, even you don't wanna talk about Jennifer Aniston.

38:08Oti: No. And I'm fine with that. I've never worked in hospitality, so I don't know how if that related to the same to people the same way the office Uh-huh. The cubicle did to most well, to us. Uh-huh. So if it did, good. I'd imagine that a lot of fast food joints would have their own sort of shitty rules of what to follow. Like with this movie, they had their flair. Uh-huh. And they had a minimum of 15 flair that they had to put on their suspenders or something. Yes. And Jennifer was Joanna was doing

38:53Oti: the bare minimum, like, 15. That's what you said is the minimum. Yep. If you raise the minimum to 20, I'd do that. This is the this is the trepidation. Like, this is the problem that they're having. They're having a back and forth about the whole movie. So the manager's like, why are you only doing the bare minimum? You should be more like can't even remember. They're the character's name, but it was some Jack. You know? Uh-huh. And Oh, yeah. That really happy guy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

39:21KT: Like Kenneth from 30 Rock if he wasn't likable. No. If he wasn't likable. You think so? 30 Rock one of these days.

39:30Oti: Oh, yeah?

39:31KT: I'm high fiving a million angels.

39:33Oti: But yeah. Anyway, her character was alright, like, not much into it.

39:40KT: But I think what you were saying is this was at the peak of Friends. Yeah. Because, you know, Friends was really big.

39:47Oti: And

39:49KT: Well, meh.

39:50Oti: I'd I'd say you'd put Jennifer Aniston there to draw butts to the movies.

39:54KT: There was a finite amount of time that you needed to drink the Kool Aid, And I, thankfully, was not one of those people.

40:02Oti: So It's a lot more drinking the Kool Aid. It's just a good sitcom. It's not great. It's a good sitcom.

40:10KT: Okay. So we've talked about this. I can't remember which episode of our podcast. And, again, if you're one of our dedicated listeners, thank you. We really appreciate and love you with every fiber of our little one feeling. But we are different types of viewers. Right? Oti is very, very forgiving. I'm not one of those people. I'm not about that life. I would rather rewatch 30 Rock 10 times than to watch some lowest common denominator drivel, which is what I would call this. But anyway, my point is

40:10Oti: lowest common denominator?

40:47KT: It's the lowest. It's minus. That's how much it is. Oh, wow. Yeah. Right? Do you wanna fight? I will meet you in the parking lot. We will duel, sir. My point is, you try to get me to watch Friends not that long ago, maybe two, three not two, three. Maybe five years ago? Yeah. But my point is, if I'm going to watch something, I need to watch it from the start. And even you admit, the first episode of Friends is fucking shit. I will fight anyone

41:19KT: that tries to tell me that the start of Friends is the peak because it I A lot of shows a lot of shows don't start off powerful and great. Right? Don't. And can I just say, don't tell me something is slow from the start? That just means it's shit.

41:37Oti: No. Nah, man. No. There are a lot of great shows that start off slowly. Example? We have Breaking Bad started off slow. And, again,

41:48KT: maybe this is be this can be an episode that we talk about, but Breaking Bad isn't that great of a show. And people need to stop people need to stop hating on Skyler. She was

41:48Oti: Awful.

41:48KT: The wife of a man that was dying

42:05Oti: I think the one you're looking for is awful.

42:08KT: Had a child that had different needs, and she was trying to make her way through this life.

42:08Oti: Does she, though?

42:08KT: And you feel like a dick. I know you do. No, don't. But this male vibrato will not go away. I'll tell you about your laugh.

42:08Oti: I think you're the only one that likes Skyler watching Breaking Bad.

42:08KT: It's it's not that I like her, but I'm very objective. Even in this movie, I actually agreed with a lot of Jennifer Aniston's

42:37KT: point of view, which killed me inside because I didn't really get the whole deal with her, but whatever. Skyler, she really did the best with what she could do. I am the one who knocks. What do you the greatest scene ever. Imagine being the wife to that person.

42:56Oti: I am the one who knocks.

42:59KT: How powerful is that? I am the one who packs my clothes and leaves you in the middle of the night. That's who I am.

43:06Oti: Oh, try that.

43:08KT: Think see you try that. She did. Skyler did leave. Didn't she?

43:12Oti: Yeah. She did. Yikes.

43:16KT: Hello, and or hola. That's an Archer reference. We will get around to Archer one of these days.

43:23Oti: Or more Walter left. Well, that's not to say that you know? Anyway, Skyler was just you need a ride or die. People are there. You know? Just find out if your partner is a ride or die. If they're not, just walk away. Walk away right now. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. If they're not ride or die

43:46KT: No. No, miss No. No. No, miss Peter. Peter. I'm Consuela right now. You need a ride or die if you're dabbling in illegal activities. If you're just living

43:55Oti: You need a ride or die anytime.

43:55KT: No, man. If you're living your best suburban

43:55Oti: You're life not my ride or die right now.

44:05KT: Are you going go out and start making some blue crystals? If if you are living your best suburban life looking after your son that has different needs and you're no. No. Let's picture it. You are a woman that has gone through so much shit in your life. Right? You've got a husband that's dying of cancer, a husband that's a a science teacher in a high school that we've covered in another episode. Unfortunately, it's universal that teachers don't get treated that well.

44:38KT: So you've got a right? It's sad. It is sad. You've got a high school teacher that's dying of cancer, and your son isn't doing that great either. He's a fucking dick, but, you know, he's got his own trials in life. How are you going to manage that? You can't Better Call Saul because he ain't gonna fix shit. He's too busy trying to deal with his brother in the tinfoil hat. I've said it.

45:07Oti: Well, all I'm saying is regardless of the situation, whether you're doing legitimate business or otherwise, you need a ride or die. You need someone that will be there no matter what. Let's say you're falsely accused today. What happens then? Do you walk away?

45:21KT: Don't I guess if if you are falsely accused, then that's a different sort of conversation. No. No. Know. You don't know. We're talking about a white man in suburbia.

45:32Oti: Well, you don't know whether it's it's legit or not. Right? So let's say I'm I get arrested and it's I tell you, it's all lies. Uh-huh. What are you gonna do?

45:44KT: I guess I'll find out if you got their secret families hanging around all around the world.

45:47Oti: I mean, that would be terrible. Or dies. It's it's just as simple as that. And I believe you're a ride or die even though you could try to act all pew right now.

45:59KT: Really? Yeah. Do you wanna attempt that thing? Are you ready to risk it all?

46:08Oti: Well, anyway, Joanna is a strong character in this movie.

46:12KT: Okay. I I'm interested to see how this argument unfolds, so continue.

46:19Oti: Who is a ride or die even before they get that series?

46:19KT: No. She wasn't. As soon as she found out what Peter was doing

46:19Oti: She said it was wrong, but she still stuck around.

46:19KT: She did get off the car and leave.

46:34KT: You didn't see the deleted scene where she called the FBI?

46:41Oti: But, seriously, like, she she stayed there, didn't she? If I told you that, it would be like, no, mate. You'll jump off the car.

46:47KT: Yeah. Pretty much. Just like jumping out of a moving bus.

46:51Oti: Yeah. Yeah. So there's nothing more to say about that, though. Like, they end up together, and that's it. Like, the movie is so one dimensional,

47:02KT: if I have to like the movie is more about office culture and having to deal with that. Because even at the we've already said spoilers. So welcome. But even at the end of the movie, Peter ends up at a construction site with our best friend Lawrence. Mhmm. Because he doesn't wanna have to deal with because I feel like it's synonymous with office culture. I don't think it happens in different industries.

47:30Oti: No. I don't think so.

47:33KT: Granted, being in an office can amount to different industries. But if you're working in an office, you get a lot of that. Yeah. You get, does anybody have a case of the Mondays? And you have people talking on the phone too loud. You have people playing the radio too loud. I never got that. You have people microwaving fish.

47:55Oti: Oh, he took in a stepfather and brought fish to he gutted fish in the office.

48:01KT: But who who does that? Who were you raised by to bring, first of all, have the volition to bring fish into the office and then also microwave it?

48:15Oti: And you microwave it without a container or a lid, and then the soup or the stew spills all over the microwave which you don't even clean and then you take that daddy ass dish. Oh, I can't even. I can't even.

48:34KT: Are you out of nods because you can't even?

48:36Oti: It's just if you really think that, oh, I'm just gonna have a good salmon today. No. Stop salmon. You're gonna take tilapia to walk to make

48:49KT: Oh, wow. We we are really getting into it, aren't we?

48:53Oti: No. You need you need to check yourself. You need to check yourself.

48:53KT: But what do you think of Milton?

48:53Oti: I don't we've not really mentioned him, but he was shown quite a lot, and I really didn't care for his character. It was more like, he doesn't do anything from me. He was shown quite a lot.

49:12KT: I I guess it also depends on the sort of I would say consumer, but I guess it's more targeted towards what sort of viewer are you? Because what we have in common between you and I is I I guess comedy really hits when it's relatable. And when it's I guess we're not really one for, you know, one dimensional sort of characters, that slapstick sort of human like humor. Yeah. An example of that and I love Chris Lilley with all of my fiber even though he misrepresents my Polynesian people with Jonah from Tonga.

50:00KT: Do you know how much I had to deal with in high school when she came Yeah. Pretty much. Pretty much.

50:10Oti: And I was I was asked Hey. Hey. Hey, Jonah. How are doing? Hey.

50:15KT: Hey. Fuck you, miss. Fuck you, miss. Fuck you, miss. Dictation. Fuck you, miss. I I'm dying inside, and all of my ancestors are dying inside right now. But no. Really. Like, I love Chris Lilley, And we will get back to the movie, which I'm sure you guys are saying, get back to the fucking movie. I'm talking about Chris Lilley right now, and you're more than welcome to turn away. But I I can't tell you in high school, you know, introducing

50:44KT: people and them asking where I came from, which I don't even know if that's rude, but that was a very common question. Like, where are you from? But I got that all the time, especially when Summer Heights High came out. I got a lot of, are you are you Pacific Islander? Are you you know, do you understand? Like, do you know this person?

51:12Oti: Like, Jonah is supposed to Chris Lilley is supposed to be some sort of your relative or something.

51:17KT: So in Tongan, welcome, guys. John is a very common name. Right? Surprising. Really surprising. But in Tonga, it's So I'll get a lot of well meaning, mostly people lacking melanin will be like, do you know Sione? Do you know this Sione? And I'm like, to be fair, we are a small island, but I know. I I I do not know that guy you're trying to fuck. I don't know this guy. Please leave me out of your misadventures. Right? I got that a lot.

51:54Oti: So would you say that Chris Lilley was to you what Apu was to a lot of Indians out there?

52:05KT: Oh, very interesting. Rick Ansari? Yeah. I I I guess so. But I've never met Chris Lilley, and you're more than welcome, Chris Lilley, if you're welcome if you listen to this podcast. I don't really see it coming out of a place of hate. Neither was The Simpsons, Apu, but it's just a connotation of I I don't think that's necessarily so. I feel like Chris Lilley has been around. If you ever have the blessing of coming to Australia, specifically Sydney, specifically, like, Western Sydney, you will see that it is very multicultural.

52:46KT: There's lots of brown. There's lots of brown up in your town. Yeah. Right? We're all about that life. So, you know, I I don't think that Chris Lilley's humor is ever in a way to, you know, destroy cultures. I'm not saying destroy cultures or no. A white man from wherever, I don't really think he has that volition.

53:11Oti: He plays to the stereotypes. Right? Like, he plays to the stereotypes to make his humor, which to the extent of which is the same to the extent of what Apu does in The Simpsons. Like, it's the exaggerated or the amplified stereotypes that really stick out.

53:30KT: Right? Well, I guess we need to do some more research around Matt Groening. I feel like his name is pronounced Groin. Groin. A little. Yeah. Well, if if I'm pronouncing it wrong, just blame it on my Australian accent. But, you know, going back to Chris Lilley, I feel like he's solid. And he actually went to Tonga to, like, record his Jonah from Tonga Yeah. Series. If you guys haven't been exposed to Chris Lilley, I guess we might be the first people to introduce it to you. He is quite controversial.

54:06KT: He has introduced blackface to his series. So I guess just be aware of that as well. He's got a new Netflix thing. Right? He does have a new Netflix thing, and we did try it today.

54:18Oti: What is it? Lunatics, is it? It's called Lunatics.

54:22KT: As an ardent ardent's a bit strong. As a Chris Lilley fan

54:29Oti: Yep. Ardent Chris Lilley fan. Yep. I

54:33KT: don't even say we stan. Not not at this point. I would recommend watching his older series. Angry Boys is one of my favorite, even though it does have blackface in there. He I guess his new Netflix series isn't it didn't stack up to what we wanted it to be, unfortunately. So now we're gonna cap off on any characters, any references, if you're pardon the pun, or any sort of lasting impressions that you wanna mention about the film?

55:09Oti: Oh, well, we have a lot of sad characters

55:14KT: Uh-huh.

55:15Oti: That weren't really intrinsic in in the movie or really bring much to the movie.

55:24KT: Mhmm.

55:24Oti: So all of them. Like we have

55:24KT: But you've also got your John C. McGinley who was in Scrubs.

55:31Oti: Yeah. Who was in Scrubs, and we love him. But his role is kinda limited. He's there to as a consultant to try and cut out the fat and streamline the office.

55:41KT: Was that the same sort of character that he played in Scrubs? I didn't I haven't watched Scrubs.

55:41Oti: No. He is he's a sergeant in Scrubs.

55:41KT: I think he's like a straight man sort of character. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

55:55Oti: Super straight, real macho kind of character in Scrubs. Nice. Yeah. But here, he seems a bit more likable even though he's supposed to be this hard kind of guy. Uh-huh. A consultant.

56:11KT: Yeah. But because god forbid, consultant comes for your office.

56:15Oti: True. But doesn't really do much in the movie to warrant anything to say that change to move in or any sort of way. Uh-huh. It wasn't really get to it was more get towards around getting Peter to get that promotion. And once that was achieved, we barely saw anything of him.

56:34KT: I don't think this movie was phenomenal by any sort of means. And if you've listened to our Black Panther episode, for example, you will know that I don't like influencing my opinion of movies based on its context even when it was released. So I do appreciate that perhaps this might have been pioneering in the sort of humor relatable sort of humor that evoked. But I wouldn't necessarily say that it was groundbreaking in any sort of way. Again, I I I feel like watching this movie was it was important as a peripheral sort of context.

57:21Oti: And how the hell did they spend, tell me, 10,000,000 making this movie? Right? Even back then. Did that movie where did that money go to? Because I cannot understand for the laugh of me. Unless they unless the guy was real. They told me? They paid someone 9 mil. Oh, we'll just bug down your building. Is that alright?

57:44KT: Well, your girl, Jennifer Aniston, was in this, and she looks like a diva. Maybe she would demanded all of it. Probably. But I really don't see where they spent 10,000,000.

57:53Oti: That's just gross gross misuse of money and resources.

57:58KT: You know what's also gross misuse?

57:58Oti: What?

57:58KT: That we've probably cumulatively talked about this movie for, like, ten minutes.

58:04Oti: Just goes to show you what kind of movie it is. Like, it's I'm a write a movie. It's not gonna change anything. It's not pioneering. It's not groundbreaking. It's just

58:18KT: Yeah. Because we've we've actually done 10 episodes. So I'm going to give both of us a pat on the back. Maybe after 10 episodes, you just wanted to hear more about us, so you're welcome. Yes. Indeed. So let's get into the namesake of our podcast For Your Reference.

58:39Oti: I would recommend Utopia. Oh. The Australian Utopia, which came out in 2014, I think. Uh-huh. So it follows a similar sort of concept where it's about a team in an office trying to implement projects from the government Uh-huh. From you know, they follow instructions from the ministers or whatever. But it's super realistic. And if this is what Office Space want it to be, they should see how it's actually meant to be implemented in each other because they do it flawlessly. Yep. And, yeah, what would you recommend?

59:21KT: But just to go back to what you were saying, I think for both of us, on some sort of level, we can relate with working for government. Yes. Can. For Utopia specifically, is all of that bureaucracy and all of that red tape.

59:35Oti: Yeah. And if you want to watch yeah. And if you want to watch something that you can actually relate to, regardless of whether you're in government or not, like, the way the projects get managed and the type of characters you have in the office, it's just so mind boggling how similar and how accurate it is.

59:53KT: And And it goes back to our sort of sense of humor. Things are funny to us because they're so real.

60:02Oti: Yeah. And the wit the wit, the way it's written, like it's Oh, yes. Totally. It's not the slapstick comedy like Office Space is. Like, it's just Grounded. Oh, yes. Yes. Welcome.

60:16KT: Yin to Yang. Yeah. I've got two references this week.

60:16Oti: Oh, what what are they?

60:16KT: Yes. Again, because we didn't really think that Office Space was that great of a movie, but it did definitely, you know, pull down our heartstrings of day to day, Monday to Friday, droning sort of life. It made me think about a movie that I watched years ago, which I wouldn't I would never recommend for an episode for our podcast, but it's it's light. It's fun. You can watch it. It's about some friends that work at a diner.

61:00KT: And it's probably not a diner that you ever want to eat at because I think the guy masturbates or he puts his pubic hairs in the food. I don't really remember. Luis Lopez.

61:12Oti: So what's the name of the show?

61:12KT: It's called Waiting, and it came out in 2005 with Ryan Reynolds and Anna Faris. Oh. Yes. So it's got out Luis Guzman, and we've also got David Koechner. Koechner? Packer from The Office. Right? So that's what I would recommend. It also has Justin Long when he was still relevant as well. So just for historical fossil, you should watch this movie. It's it's kind of it's kind of on the same sort of format as well. So I would recommend that. And my last reference is Family Guy. Yeah? And the reason why I mentioned that is

61:57KT: there's a scene where Peter, Michael McDonald, and also Samir are in a field, and they're pretty much hacking to bits the printer that was giving them all these problems during the duration of the movie. And as soon as I watched that and I heard I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's the Beastie Boys, but some sort of rap in the background. I remember I had seen that in Family Guy Mhmm. With Stewie and Brian when they were breaking the vinyl for bird is the word. Yeah. Because haven't you heard

62:34KT: Yeah. That the bird is the word? So it's little trinkets like that that my little heart warms every time where feel like it's important and it's a reference that I should know. And these are one of the circumstances where I actually see the origin of the reference. So for that reason alone, and also the similarities that Family Guy has is it was also not that popular until it became a cult following and between until Family Guy had gotten DVDs that had come out that brought her back onto air.

63:12KT: So that's another similarity that has as well. So that's my reference. That's us for this week. Feel free to let us know what you thought about it. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram. We're @ForYourRefPod.

63:30Oti: Yeah. And write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. Thank you, and we'll see you next week. And stay away from my stationary. See you. Bye.