Ms. Marvel – The Sisterhood of the Traveling Bangles

Full transcript of Ms. Marvel – The Sisterhood of the Traveling Bangles.

0:00KT: It's another week, but most importantly, it's another year in the For Your Reference household. Happy 2023. My love,

0:07Oti: Happy 2023.

0:09KT: Thank you, love and splooshes to all of our friends and lovers that might have been with us since February of 2019 or made it all the way to where we are today. We fucking love yous. We appreciate yours. And would you believe, Oti. The For Your Reference podcast is officially a Tomatometer-approved publication.

0:30Oti: Woo woo.

0:31KT: Wow. And is that you occupying the dance hall?

0:33Oti: It is.

0:35KT: It's very exciting. Thank you everyone for your support. We will be officially hitting four years of the podcast in February, and I dunno if our hearts or our cute little bodies can handle any more excitement. Let's get on with the show. ASAM Mak, friends and jbe baby lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference Podcast. You got your host, KT,

1:09Oti: and Oti.

1:10KT: Harness the Noor to navigate culture, religion, and post-colonial histories.

1:16Oti: Mm-hmm.

1:17KT: Crush on the hunky slowmo cuties with Ms. Marvel this week.

1:21Oti: Woohoo.

1:22KT: Who? Wow, wow, wow. We are kicking off 2023 in the best way possible. Friends and lovers. Yes, we are covering Ms. Marvel and we had the pleasure and the opportunity to have a lovely chat with Zenobia Shroff.

1:39Oti: We sure did.

1:40KT: Who plays Muneeba. So that interview will be dropping later on, um, in this week. So it's very exciting. We're hitting it in a big wave femme, and I think this might even potentially be the third Marvel film. Of the 200 plus episodes that we have of covering Marvel. Um, oh, actually Black Panther: Wakanda Forever as well as Shang-Chi. And now Ms. Marvel.

2:04Oti: Yeah, we did Shang-Chi, didn't we?

2:06KT: Yeah, if you've got the puzzle sets, you can tell the types of Marvel that we cover. Friends and lovers, Let's get into general stats and information. Ms. Marvel is part of the run of shows that are available on Disney Plus that came out mid 2022. In regards to the actual series, it was created by Bisha K. Ali, who also was a writer for Four Weddings and a Funeral, and there was a lot of South Asian sort of storyline, so that kind of makes sense,

2:35Oti: right? Mm-hmm.

2:35KT: Because if it's real, you can sniff it out. And you know,

2:38Oti: you sure

2:38KT: also, interestingly, Bisha was also the exec story editor. for Loki.

2:43Oti: Woohoo.

2:44KT: Yeah. Um, there's a lot of credits, there's a lot of love, there's a lot of splooshes. I'm just going to get into it. I know, you know, Marvel is such a big, you know, sort of enterprise, but there's obviously people behind doing the work.

2:56KT: So very quickly in. To directing, we have Adil El Arbi, Al Mira, as well as Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy. In regards to writing, we have Bisha K. Ali, Adrianne, una, Aisha, Bori Will Dunn, Kate Gritmon, Josh Levine, Sophie. Sophie, Miller, G. Willow Wilson, AC Bradley, Matthew Chauncey, Sabir Pirzada, Fatimah Asghar, Freddy Syborn as well as Sana Amanat. Wow. Well, let's get into first impressions, Oti. How did you feel about it? Obviously, we will talk about, you know, the Marvels, we'll talk about representation, but just generally, how did you feel about the show, Ms. Marvel?

3:41Oti: I was pleasantly surprised, um, at the angle the show took. I didn't expect it to go that deep into teaching us the culture behind it. Yes, I was, I was surprised. I was intrigued. I was taken by it. Um, it's something that I didn't see coming and wow, it hit me right in the center and I was like, yes, give it to us some more.

4:03KT: Some might say that was a sable sound bite.

4:06Oti: Mm-hmm. . Well, it's, it's one of those things that you wouldn't expect. Well, in the marvels of old, or at least in superhero stuff, I wouldn't expect that level of detail. The

4:17KT: Marvels are very old. Are you an archivist?

4:22Oti: I wouldn't expect that level of detail to, to, to be put on a show in terms of actual. and I, I was there for it. I appreciated it. I think I learned a few things that I wasn't aware of. Yeah. And Wow. And Iman as Kamala. Wow. First time acting, eh?

4:39KT: Absolutely. Absolutely. I love the show's ability in being able to draw post-colonial histories that are hard to talk about, as well as being able to navigate teen angst. The, the authenticity and the performances really draw out the themes that we're aimed for in this show. I also feel like the tackling and the representation was very effortless in this show as well. Um, also in regards to the cast, we have Iman Vellani, Matt Lintz, Zenobia Shroff, Yasmeen Fletcher, Reha, as well as Mohan Kapur. Wow. Wow.

5:16Oti: What a custom. Indeed.

5:18KT: I wanna get into the Marvels, you know, of this film. And even while you were talking in your first impressions, you know, whether it was going to go that hard because it does talk about, you know, Britain sort of powers occupying India at the time, and then splitting them into, you know, the dominion of India as well as the dominion of.

5:38KT: Pakistan, which is a relatively new history, I can possibly say for both of us. Right. Um, when we think about Black Panther, it, it was like, for me, it was a no-brainer that it was going to address slavery.

5:49Oti: Mm-hmm.

5:50KT: And it's, it's so cool to know that, you know, perhaps we haven't gotten the context of the comics, but it's cool to know that, at least in the TV show, especially because it is being geared towards a younger audience, that they're not pulling the punch and they're actually exploring that as.

6:05Oti: as well. Oh, a hundred percent. Especially when you live in a world where people are doubting or trying to cover up what history really happened. So

6:13KT: involuntary relocation, right?

6:15Oti: Yeah, a hundred percent. I think it's, it's important that it does happen and for us to see it.

6:21KT: How does this sit for you in the Marvel, I guess, as you said, as a Marvel archivist in the days of old.

6:28Oti: it feels fresh. It feels fresh. Uh, I think seeing a different array of cast and people, um, and storyline odds. I can

6:37KT: point out everyone existed. It was whether they were casted on the screen or

6:41Oti: A hundred percent. You know, it adds that layer and I think I was there for it. It, it just adds to the enrichment of what, um, the MCU would look like. And I know that in the coming months we'll be seeing the Marvels, which will have the Khans as well, so

6:57KT: Zenobia for giving us the drop

6:59Oti: in Woo. So that's something to look forward to.

7:03KT: Iman, Allison, Brie, Teyonah Parris, as well as Nia DaCosta. Thank you very much. Take my money, please. Mm-hmm. . I really enjoyed this. I think the core of why I enjoyed this show so much was the cultural religious aspect. Um, you know, because the, the, the themes are universal, but there is that hunger and, you know, we even talked about in the interview as well, like, I'm a Pacific Islander, but all brown people success.

7:28KT: Thank you very. All brown people representation, like I loved seeing it and there were so many moments in this show that I got very emotional and you know, many, many hours of unpacking, I'm sure. But even just to see, you know, this Pakistani Muslim, south Asian. Family be able to navigate dynamics of life being immigrants and you know, every sort of inexperience in between.

7:53KT: I absolutely loved being able to explore that inside of the show. Um, I like, you know, I , I, I've famously, un famously on this podcast have talked about not necessarily latching onto the Marvels only because you can't necessarily deliver a. A story of real true depth, right? Mm-hmm. And even your Black Panther Killmonger isn't safe from that, because I talked about how it was oil and water trying to address, you know, slavery and have, you know, Letitia Wright, Shuri's character, character being like, look, those shoes, you know, like tonally, it didn't necessarily make a lot of.

8:33KT: To me. Um, and also given the fact that this is also a young audience as well, I do understand that, um, you know, there, there, there, there's a need for the tonality. There's a need for the way it gets addressed. Um, I'm not necessarily a fan of it cuz I like to dig deep into like, human experiences, but that's what I get when we focus on the family dynamics.

8:54Oti: Diamond.

8:55KT: Like, I, I don't know, friends and lovers, maybe I was just deprived of slowmo, hunky cuties in my, um, teenage. Kamala brings a lot of heart, and there's also something very interesting about the character of Ms. Marvel. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. Marvel. Marvel, Marvel. One of my favorite sort of scenes is with Yusuf. You know her dad, where they're sitting on the roof and you know, talking about the way that her name came about, Kamal in Arabic means perfection. But in Urdu, it's more about being a wonder, being a marvel, Ms. Marvel, and it hit me

9:37Oti: on roll credits,

9:39KT: It hit me on a good day. I was feeling all of the feels, um, that I needed to feel. But I do wanna focus a little bit on the actual lore of Ms. Marvel and her character. You know, there, there's something that's talked about in the show of, you know, being able to harness being a conj like the bangle. Being a conduit to Noor which, um, you know, I think even in African cultures, but in Pasifika, um, sort of cultures that's known as like the mana.

10:08KT: It's that energy that you harness within, you know? Um, so I, I thought that was really cool. It wasn't vibranium, right? It was Noor inside.

10:18Oti: Yeah, it was inside and I think the bangle just acting as a conduit and being something that unlocked it in her. Yeah. Was sort of the good thing about it. You know, as her as being Ms. Marvel, we, I think it was important for her not to just get her powers from the bangle or the bangle being the most important thing about her. You know, chop Chopper arm off, and then. Yeah. so it was talent

10:41KT: screenplay are you writing? Can the kids keep their arms, Oti, or not? Are you the anti metaverse?

10:48Oti: I'm just saying villains will come here with the same idea.

10:52KT: The metaverse gets legs and you remove the arms. Okay.

10:56Oti: No, but it, it, it's a cool sort of concept and just seeing it out how it was all laid out. The CGI looked good. Yeah. You know, it's very colorful.

11:08KT: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Um, speaking of very colorful, very vibrant, I wanna talk about the family dynamics. Um, I, I loved it. I loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it. Um, you know, friends and lovers, if I can reference, you know, other episodes that we've done, when I talk about, you know, it's real and you understand it, you know, four. I talk about all the time, um, because it's the first sort of iteration and there's also Ramy as well.

11:35KT: But, you know, focusing on 4 Blocks, it's the first sort of example that I saw of, you know, a Muslim family and also following them inside of the mosque. As well. Um, I think for a lot of us, and speaking for myself, growing up in a Mormon slash Christian, you know, sort of community you are so used to seeing, or even just like on like, um, you know, American slash Global Cinema, you see a lot of like, you know, inside of the Catholic church and you know, that sort of thing.

12:05KT: But when it comes to like Muslim representation, there's not a lot. Right, the ins and outs, the ups and downs inside of the mosque and outside of the mosque. So, um, I, I do think about 4 Blocks, but I also think about Pachinko as well, because like we're talking about the history, the real history, um, that gets talked about in this show that I thought was very effortless by the way.

12:28KT: I'm sure, I'm sure there are some non-gender film bros that don't necessarily feel the same way, but it felt very effortless in talking about like the post-colonial and like the partition as well. It reminded me of Pachinko

12:40Oti: right?

12:41KT: because you see the, the melding and the, the dissonance between identity, ethnicity, nationality and that sort of thing. Right? Yeah. But at the end of the day, we all sploosh.

12:59Oti: everyone did

12:59KT: Even when they were in the car, Kamala and Haram dot Kamran Solid line. Even when they said SRK, I was like, I know who you're talking about.

13:12Oti: Wow. Look at you.

13:14KT: I was this close to following my Indian coworkers when they went to go and visit Shah Rukh Khan when he had an event in Australia. But I did it.

13:21Oti: I know you did their pictures out

13:23KT: I might never have come home.

13:24Oti: over.

13:27KT: Let's explore the family dynamics of the show. Um, you know, far be it for me to focus on the family dynamics and not the Marvels or the angsty sort of teenager stuff, but this is really where I found a lot of the interests, especially for me. Um, in this show, I guess let's, let's start with the head of the family. Let's talk about Yusuf. What did you think about the dad? What did you think about him and his Hulk costume? Him supporting Kamala and just being that calming presence,

13:55Oti: He was very different from the mom, you know? Mm-hmm. , he was more weirdly, no, he, he seemed more understanding and more willing to be, uh, Kamala's. To go to Kamala's aid. Yeah. Or to listen to Kamala's needs. Not that the mother wasn't just

14:12KT: no, think it's like a daddy's little

14:13Oti: girl. Yeah. Yeah. And that's good to see, especially for an ethnic family, you know that

14:17KT: who could relate.

14:19Oti: Yeah, that means a lot. So seeing something like that build on screen, it creates such a, a vibrant it. It gives space for Kamala to grow.

14:29KT: Yeah, absolutely.

14:30Oti: And to have a safe landing when everything else goes against our, which we know did and would.

14:35KT: Yeah, I absolutely agree. I love that he was there in those moments. The Hulk scene, just very cute. Um, but you know, there's definitely some, you know, More harder sort of subject matter that gets explored in the show. But like you said, Yusuf was like that anchor that Kamala could always go back to.

14:55Oti: Mm.

14:56KT: Something that I thought was quite interesting was the relationship between Kamala as well as Muneeba the mom. Mm-hmm. . I think there was a lot of depth there. Um, and it was really interesting because I think when we first meet, you know, Kamala as well as Muneeba, it's very much set up in a way that you would expect ethnic sort of mother and.

15:18KT: Sort of dynamics or mother and child to go, it's like, do this because I told you to do this. Don't question that. Yeah. And we start to see, we start to see a departure of that. We start to see a, a strengthening of understanding who Muneeba is beyond being a mother as well as who she was as a wholly realized character.

15:38Oti: a whole. Mm-hmm. .There

15:39KT: There was an interesting line, um, that I just want to talk to for a bit, where Muneeba's talking to Kamala and they're in the bathroom and they, I think this is what the first sort of breakthrough sort of scenes that we see between the two of them. And Muneeba, you know, she's like, who do you wanna be? Do you wanna be the head on the shoulders person that we raised you to be? Or you want to be a head in the cloud sort of person.

16:03Oti: Mm. And for most cases, we know what is chosen for us . Yeah. All right.

16:09KT: That is correct wording. Yeah.

16:11Oti: Yeah. Um, and the, and this is a weird thing because Muneeba and Kamala have this, you know, you could tell Muneeba will be the disciplinarian in the household.

16:20KT: there. Yeah.

16:21Oti: but she still was willing to, you know, give ear to Kamala. Yeah. And to listen to, you know, when Kamala was trying to express herself and say, oh, we need to go to Pakistan so that we can learn more.

16:33Oti: But you know, even if it's the grandmother asking them to go there, you know, many a times it gets. Nah, we're not doing that. You know, you have school, you have studies, you have whatever. So it was intriguing to see how paving way for Kamala to, you know, be, go to Pakistan or even at the plane or what other plane. She's like, let's call it a truths, you know? Yeah.

16:55KT: no one wants to be in the middle seat, by the way.

16:57Oti: Yeah. That's a weird ass booking. Who I wouldn't if I'm, if I'm

17:01KT: also airlines are trying to do like middle seat lotteries so they can try and entice people to sit in the middle seat. But that's kind of on you, bro.

17:09Oti: I would never, man, I, I'd, I'd rather walk . Unless,

17:13KT: unless you were doing your own film and it was a romcom and you were running to the airport and that was the only possible seat that's on you, we don't feel bad for you if you sit in the middle seat of an

17:23Oti: not even me with my long ass legs, I would not fit there so

17:29KT: But to go back to that scene, I feel like there was an extra layer. Because when Muneeba was talking to Kamala, there was, there was a certain sense of experience and wisdom and knowledge in that. Even if Muneeba agreed with Kamala, she's like, but this is the world we live in my you know, like you, you kind of need to pull your head in.

17:50Oti: Yeah. There has to be that acceptance that we can all have our heads in the cloud, but reality just bite back. Uh, when it does, it's not that you are all shocked and perplexed that, Ooh, this shit happened. Yeah. You're prepared for that and you know, at least you have people around you that could carry you through.

18:07KT: you know what I also really liked about this show? Usually in these sorts of shows, you never see the parents again. But again, because a lot of the quality comes from the family dynamics, Muneeba is very much involved in the shaping of Ms.

18:20Oti: Mm-hmm. Even a big involvement than Aunt May with Spider-Man. I'd say,

18:25KT: Wow. Look at you with your

18:26Oti: reference says,

18:28KT: How's Tobey Maguire doing? Is he still good

18:31Oti: Yeah. It's only Spider-Man, Reno.

18:32KT: He's still rolling down the street. Um, there was also another line that I thought was quite interesting with Muneeba and, you know, she talks about, about being alone and learning to let her family love her. Ooh. Mm-hmm. Wow. That's something that you can only say if you've been through some shit.

18:53Oti: a hundred percent

18:55KT: But again, it adds more layers in understanding, you know who she is and you know, you made a joke while we were watching, but it actually made me think, maybe it did skip a line. Do you think the Noor skipped a line, or do you think Muneeba has the potential to harness that?

19:11Oti: I don't know, it just seemed like the grandmother was like, yeah, I'm not gonna give you, not gonna get anything from

19:17KT: you But if it's already innately in you,

19:21Oti: Yeah, maybe it's within us somewhere.

19:23KT: What did you think about Kamala? You know the, the story and you know, the brother Aamir talked about every Pakistani's got a partition story, right? And they were talking about Sana, they were talking about the grandmother and they were talking about the great-grandmother Aisha as well. Right. How do you feel that a story that's so integral to the family that a person that actually saved the grandmother was Kamala? It was like an Ant-Man time loop.

19:50Oti: Oh, lucky time travel.

19:52KT: Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know why I went for the lower hanging Ant-Man fruit,

19:58Oti: Yeah, it was pretty good to see, I think even the backstory of Aisha and seeing how she transferred everything, you know, how she went through, uh, her journey and how she got to Sana and what she fought for to protect Sana and all that. It was,

20:14KT: can I just say you need to be 10 out of the 10 in the face to be trampling on roses and find yourself a man and have a.

20:23Oti: Yeah, I'm a bi Bobby man, be a millionaire. You didn't know

20:30KT: But there were also some really real themes there as well. Um, you know, talking about the divide about the British colonial offices that were there and, you know, Um, you know, it's even shared in there of, you know, them not buying the flowers or, you know, doing business with them because they're Muslim and, you know, wanting to, or at least understanding the significance of having to move even though it's your home and it's all you knew and it's all you have to give to Sana, you need to move because it's not safe here

21:01Oti: Real talk though. So the ClanDestine, yeah. I don't even see them as bad people to be

21:06KT: honest. Whoa. You waited, you waited for the real ones to stay on the podcast. Oh, okay.

21:11Oti: No, I'm just saying for all they want to do is for them to go back home. Down the consequences.

21:17KT: But by them going home, it destroys humanity. My bro,

21:21Oti: still their fault.

21:25KT: Wow. Of all the complexity that's, that's your hill to die.

21:29Oti: They just wanna go home.

21:30KT: Alright?

21:31Oti: They just wanna go home. They wanna use the bangle to go back home if, if the energy is too much for us to handle. It felt as if, oh, the ClanDestine are these really bad people, but when you listen to what they want to do, they don't even want to, if, if those are different way of going back that didn't involve. Destroying art. They probably would find, they probably would be happy to take that option. Yeah. All they want to do after thousands and thousands of years being trapped here, they just want to,

22:01KT: I wanna be clear. I'm saying Yeah, but I'm

22:02Oti: agreeing , I was just saying it.

22:05KT: I'm just letting you finish your thought, but That's, that's a very interesting take. . That's a very interesting take my love. Um, I would say that, you know, I, I think a lot of what we're talking about are the most compelling parts, um, of Ms. Marvel, but I think we should also do the fan service and do what the friends and lovers came for and talk about the teen sort of angst. Um, but I do wanna focus a little bit on quality as well.

22:35KT: Nakia's character is very interesting. Um, and it was cool to see her run for the board in the mosque as

22:41Oti: well.

22:42KT: Um, that, you know, even the way she was rigging, she was moving and shaken and getting her, you know, voting buttons out and that sort of thing. She had a very interesting, um, line of dialogue and she talked about how, you know, she's too white to be Muslim, but she's too Muslim to be.

22:59Oti: too, right.

23:00KT: some, something to that sort of sentiment. Um, and I really, I really enjoy that because again, I love the depth that they bring into the show, but I'm also conscious that this is a younger audience and I love that they have a character like Nakia and they also had dialogue like

23:15Oti: Yes. Because we see, she wears it on the sleeve. You know, she, she wants to stand up for what she believes in. She, even when they're in the mosque praying and you know, Kamala's like, oh yeah, we should be, why is there partition? Why, why can't we be there in front of the man? Yeah. You know? Um, and I guess like we can change this if we, you know, if you're part of the board. Yeah. And, and you get to see her sort of grow like that and throughout the whole movie.

23:41KT: Yeah. Absolutely. And I think it's, it's cute that they're besties and they get to do life together. speaking of doing life together, thoughts and feelings about Bruno, was he not just the modern Freeman equivalent of this film?

23:56Oti: oh. master simp

24:00KT: big Simpson.

24:02Oti: Oh, but his genius, I guess. Yeah, he does everything for Kamala, all the technology needs, you know? Yeah. Um, but the weird thing with him is he doesn't want to shoot his shot.

24:15KT: I think he tries to just

24:18Oti: don't shoot his shot by not saying anything.

24:20KT: He just doesn't do it. Like with the same intensity that Kamran does it.

24:24Oti: You gotta be friend zones, That's what it's gonna

24:27KT: see them get married and have children and still be pining after her.

24:34Oti: That's how it's going.

24:35KT: Mm-hmm.

24:37Oti: Yeah. But at least he is a good sort of, would he be a 2IC? Not

24:42KT: That's generous. He would be Scrappy-Doo on the side. Cut. There you go.

24:49Oti: go. Yeah. The samek. Yeah, But anyway, he, he, he, he at least holds it down. Even though he has this, he has this good opportunity to go study new you something. And he lingers. You know? He's like, I wouldn't leave until we figure it out, you know? Yeah. And that's how he rolls.

25:09KT: Like, Hey girl, could I be Mr. Marvel?

25:12Oti: Mm-hmm. . See that easy? I don't

25:16KT: think that would work though.

25:18Oti: You should get writing credit. Just that. Just that.

25:22KT: Um, from simp to simp, what do you think about Kamran? You know what I also really enjoyed as well, when they were caught by Aamir and the fiance at the time, they were playing it up as if there were.

25:33Oti: Mm.

25:34KT: I, I've never been in this scenario, but I have many, many in my circles that have played the same game. Oti,

25:40Oti: If George R. R. Martin has taught us anything, a cousin is a step way too removed. pretty much living in a different galaxy, getting closer

25:50KT: the gene pool. I need to feel the same chromosomes.

25:54Oti: Mm-hmm.

25:54KT: Mm. But what did you think about Kamran as a character? And we've already said spoilers of him potentially embodying the evil of his mother.

26:06Oti: Well, he, he really didn't embody it quite quickly, did he? Cause even he went against the mother to save Kamala. So it's not like he, he was like, Ooh, I'm gonna be a bad guy. No, he, he went outta his way, surprisingly. So, at least to me, to save Kamala from the mom. Immediately after. Yeah. Kamala's being targeted and helped her escape. So all this him turning into, or he'll probably turn into the villain. Mm. I don't know. I feel like

26:34KT: it was a big gap to fill, right? Mm-hmm. . Um, but I would also say, cause I know that Thelan signs have like lived for centuries, but my understanding of Kamran is that he's just a kid. So he hasn't lived centuries. He's not like, what's our little not little girl's name in Doom Patrol Spoiler. Spoiler, spoiler. But we have covered Doom Patrol, so it's on you if you keep going. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler. She's like hundreds of years old, right? I think Kamran is like a teenager. Like I don't think he's lived thousands of years.

27:09KT: However, he was too fucking naive. I'm so sorry. Like I understand. Embodying the evil, otherwise known as generational trauma. Like I understand that your moms weren't coming back, bro. Like . She left. Even when Bruno was like, I don't know, I, if I was Bruno, I would keep that shit to myself. But Bruno took it upon himself to be the messenger and be like, Hey, she not coming back. And he is like, yes, she's, it's like, nah,

27:40Oti: True, true man. Oh, traditional trauma. Hadk, eh,

27:48KT: fatality. Indeed, Oti. I wanna quickly talk about the Red Daggers. I think they add another extra layer, and I know I, I should be mining my business and focusing on the family dynamics, but if we're going to have Kamala be with someone, it should be him.

28:04Oti: Okay. Not Bruno. You've be, don't

28:06KT: about Bruno. Did I do it? Do I win? Did I do a reference?

28:12Oti: Wow. Okay. I hear you. Well, I get it. I get it. I get why you, you'd say that.

28:18KT: I also wanna give a baby shout out to Arian Moayed because we love him in everything we see, and we're also very excited for Succession. But he's just a lovely man, and I just wanted

28:28Oti: Mm.

28:29KT: Who, who actually, before we leave here, um, shout outs to our Figueroa because we know you are not that character, but who we, that character. Thank you friends and lovers for joining us, for getting onto 2023. Together. We fucking love you so much. We're gonna finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference, Oti

28:56Oti: If you wanna stay with your time, jumps in loops. Our reference Loki

29:01KT: nice in that sort of batch. The second, because WandaVision was top T, all of the hotep, um, memes of Vision with that gold chain and the sweater, And I guess that's a litmus test if you're on black Twitter or not. Friends and lovers,

29:18Oti: you're just black on Twitter.

29:20KT: Yeah, the residential black on Twitter, Oti, Um, we had such a lovely, beautiful chat with Zenobia and it was so nice to revisit The Big Sick. So I will reference The Big Sick, Kumail Nanjiani as well, crossing over into Marvel with the Eternals and all of that,

29:38Oti: and not Chippendales. That was some shocking stuff.

29:41KT: Oh, very excited to talk about the Chippendales. If you would like to see where Oti chips his dale on Twitter and Instagram we're

29:50Oti: Write us an email. hello@fyrpodcast.com.

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