Money Heist Part 4 – In the Palermo my hands

Full transcript of Money Heist Part 4 – In the Palermo my hands.

0:15KT: Hola, Konnichiwa, and all of the motherfucks. Oh. Are you feeling a tingle?

0:15Oti: Oh, the tingles are all mine, mate.

0:15KT: This show is unprecedented. All of the feelings, all of the tinglings and all of the holes. We will not be doing your phrase or mine because everyone can shove it up their happy places. Oh, for sure. Oh, fucking no. We love Money Heist. We're literally a Money Heist podcast, but we just cover other stuff in the meantime. Yeah.

0:52KT: So this cute little section is called A Reference Heist. So, yes, this show is great and it is very international, but it also means a lot to our podcast. It was within it was our seventh episode that we did. So it was within our first 10 episodes, and I'm almost sure it was our first foreign language.

0:52Oti: Yes. It was.

0:52KT: Done on this podcast. It's also the first TV show that we've covered twice in one year.

1:20Oti: Yeah.

1:21KT: It also made the most beloved of appearances at the first annual Splooshies Awards. It won the Pardon the Pun tee for How Dare You surprised me with so much qualita. Mhmm. Well, there's really not much else to say. We're super excited. El Professor or if you tuned into the Splooshies, El Oti Professor, we'll urge you to listen to our original Money Heist episode

1:51KT: and also the Money Heist that covers part three. Money Heist La Casa de Papel is also our most listened to episodes ever. Yes. Both one and two. And it's pulling listeners all over the world. It really is. We're literally assembling, you know, the next crew for the heist, but but not in a Rick and Morty way. Because gathering gathering members for this heist is

2:20Oti: Exactly.

2:22KT: Couldn't have put it better. As I live and breathe, you son of a bitch. Let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and lovers, or shall I say, hola. Welcome to the For Your Reference podcast. I am your ever eternal host, KT Nairobi.

3:04Oti: And I am Oti. That's a city in KT's hometown. Damn, dawg.

3:12KT: You feeling that fuego? I'm feeling that fuego, man. It's too much queso for me, actually. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to this momentous episode in the For Your Reference household. Fuck me three times all around the world for another heist, Oti. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. And we know there are quite a lot of listeners that listen to Money Heist. And I don't think a lot of them are our, you know, our compadres in podcasting.

3:45KT: I think Money Heist pulls a lot of listeners that maybe never even knew our podcast existed and they just needed some more la casa de pa pills. Yeah. Right? Who doesn't need some

3:56KT: more Denver in their system? Right? So

4:00KT: if you are here because you stumbled across our Money Heist episodes and now you have made it to crescendo to our third episode covering part four, You are most welcome. And I don't know how to say Jupiter's cock in Spanish. Feel free to help. Yeah. Yeah. We all need a little bit of help. So for a full breakdown, listen to our first episode, and we're really just going to get into it. Yeah. Right? This is an advanced class. It's not elementary, dear Oti. We are coming with our cajones.

4:38KT: So let's talk about where part three left off. Mhmm. So the big sort of emotional pull that we had was the despicable Alicia who accolades. I definitely wanna talk about her character a bit more because we didn't really get to talk about her in the last podcast. But she pretty much orchestrated a very manipulative play against the gang in way through Nairobi. Mhmm. And they brought Nairobi's kid there. Spoiler spoiler spoiler, but again, come along for the fucking ride because it is wild.

5:16KT: Wild it is. There's no Tiger Kings, but I can assure you it is way more pleasurable in every other sense. There is no Carole Baskins.

5:25Oti: No Carole Baskins. So he

5:28KT: you're all safe. But if you're lucky, Oti might drop his country tracks. But essentially, the most sort of emotion that we had at the end of part three was Nairobi getting shot. What I guess I just wanted to color a little bit more was her past. She dealt drugs and she also took drugs or did she just take drugs? I think she did both. I think she was dealing drugs. I think she got high off her own supply. Well, in any case, while she was doing what she had to be doing,

6:03KT: her kid got intercepted from family services or whatever the equivalent is. So that's some painful shit, right? It is painful shit. Having your kid taken away from you, it seemed like Nairobi was really well-to-do on her own. No Tyler Perry, thank you. And she really just tried to make a living for her kid. Right? Yeah. So that was quite a big sort of foundation for her character that she felt hollow and so much guilt. And that's why that's another reason why I fucking hate Tokyo

6:39KT: because she used that against Nairobi. And don't you ever forget that, Oti. Yeah. But yes. So Nairobi gets shot and it brings this emotional pull to the show. We talk a lot in our podcast about, you know, writers and creators choosing moments, choosing characters that you care enough about so there's emotional payoff. Mhmm. And we saw that spoiler spoiler spoiler. We saw that with Moscow. Pour some sip on the concrete also for Moscow and Harambee and also for Oslo as well. And then we also see that potentially with Nairobi.

7:18KT: Mhmm. I also forgot to mention because obviously Nairobi means a lot more to me. But at the end of part three, we also had El Professor under the impression that Raquel is dead. Yeah. I don't really call her Lisbon. I also don't call Monica Stockholm.

7:18Oti: Because they're the new additions?

7:18KT: Well, they haven't even like earned their names either.

7:38Oti: Well, Monica sort of has. We're yet to see what Lisbon does.

7:38KT: Well, I think she's done it, and that's all she's done.

7:38Oti: No. She well, at the end of this sorry, I'm jumping all the way to end. By the end of this, we kinda see Lisbon joining the crew. So I'm hoping that the next season, we get to see more of what she can do for the crew while everyone's just losing their heads.

7:56KT: Yeah. And the fact that there's going to be another season is a qualm I have, but let's let's leave that for a second. So if we're just talking about the way the part three ended, we have El Professor in the woods. He fell down like a koala that fell off a tree and he thinks Raquel is dead. And then I don't remember. At part three, we didn't know that she was alive.

8:26Oti: No. We did know she was alive.

8:26KT: Oh, we did know?

8:26Oti: We did know she was alive. We just didn't professor Justine knows she was. The rest of us were in on it.

8:26KT: Oh, wow. Okay, Oti. Yeah.

8:38KT: What would be your name?

8:40KT: You can't take Nairobi.

8:40Oti: Oh, I can't take Nairobi, can I? It it would be

8:40KT: You wanna be Lagos?

8:40Oti: Yes. I'm your Nigerian prince.

8:51KT: We got Oti Burnaby over here. But yeah, it really ended on a lot of excitement. There was a lot of buildup and there was a lot of tension at the end of part three. And you were just waiting. For some reason,

9:11KT: were in an illusion, even though we knew it was picked up from Netflix and that's where part three came from. For some reason, we thought that that was gonna be it, but it was very clear. I think maybe two episodes before the ending of part three, we knew that it was going to be There's gonna be no nothing's going to be resolved

9:27KT: in here. So that kind of got a bit annoying with me. But if you've listened to, you know, especially our Black Mirror episode, you know, it's just a foundational qualm that I have with the Netflix sort of model. But anyway, we'll get into that. But, yeah, part three really ended on something very, very promising. Mhmm. Although I will say and obviously, we have a whole episode on part three. I will say I didn't feel the same sensations as I did watching

9:58KT: you can call it part one and part two, but initially it was just supposed to be those episodes. The Spanish series, just that. Yeah. Right? I didn't feel the same way and I get it, you know, like in life, it's not the same as your first sort of thrill. Mhmm. But I guess it's just important to keep in mind that with part three, as much as I loved it, as much as I as much as I love seeing, you know, all of our friends and lovers in the Money Heist world,

10:28KT: it wasn't the same. No. And I think a lot of that had to do with the music for me. Oh. What Bella Ciao did for La Casa de Papel, I can't and and feel free, Oti, if you can think of it during this recording of a song that was so ingrained with the show that really catapulted its notoriety.

10:50Oti: Yeah. I can't I can't think of a song on top of out of the top of my head, but wow.

10:50KT: How about the bottom of your ass?

10:58Oti: Oh, a couple. There are some delicious things that come out of there.

10:58KT: But I won't spoil it for you. But yeah, it just, it was so great. But what made you know, Bella Ciao so integral to La Casa de Papel was it was embedded throughout the whole season. There were there was symbolism. They were alluding to it. There were quotes of it. You had Moscow, you know, digging out, you know, as as we know, he was a very learned miner.

11:32KT: Yeah. And he was digging it out and he was singing Tokyo and Denver came along and then you had Berlin and then you also have Berlin and El Professor singing it. Like, it really had its own sort of presence in the series and that's why Bella Ciao did so well. Going to part three, I felt like the and I said it in the episode and the reason why I'm saying it is cause I felt like they didn't learn their lesson. Part three, the music was really disjointed. This is just me wanking myself off.

12:04KT: I didn't care for the English songs in part three. And

12:09Oti: they did that and more in part four. To a point where I think they also got Palermo to sing an English song. I was like, nah, mate. And there was Italian there were Italian songs as well.

12:20KT: Yes or no, we're not learned or we are learned enough to know the difference between Spanish and Italian. But it just it felt like every time they had an emotional or a pivotal scene, they try to whack a song in there. And that bothered me. Yeah. Because it was so effortless and we still have the same creator. So, you know, again, obviously there are some behind the scenes that we're not aware of. But, yeah, I just felt like that was really

12:50KT: a problem for me. Like, when I when I enjoy stuff, music plays a big role in that. So, yeah, that kind of bothered me. But let's let's just talk generally. Let's talk generally. How are you feeling at the end of part three, and how are you feeling just throughout and at the end of part four?

13:09Oti: At the end of part three, I had accepted that we'd see potentially another season, and I was fine with that. Yep. You know? It's it's the characters that we love. We've invested so much time loving these people, fighting for the cause. So I was I was I was completely bought in, and I was like, okay. If Netflix are gonna do this, they gotta do this properly. Cool. So at the end of season four, I was left in some sort of dilemma because throughout the whole sort of fourth season or the fourth part,

13:45Oti: I didn't really enjoy it as much as I did the previous seasons. Yeah. But by the end of it, they had sort of built up this momentum in me. They'd by the death of Nairobi, which, oh, man. Nairobi is out.

14:03KT: Who would have thought? Yeah. Who would have thought? How dare they? Don't they know how much you support the show? Yeah.

14:13Oti: I'll watch this specifically for Nairobi. Not necessarily the character, but the

14:19KT: Just the representation. Just the representation, darling. Yeah. Yeah.

14:24Oti: But you could see when when she died and then everyone was just shouting, Nairobi, Nairobi. And then, oh, the funeral well, the sort of service that they had, sending the guards out with a casket. Oh, they just pulled in all the emotions from the buildup.

14:39KT: The service got me. Because when we have the head of security Yeah. Gandia. May he rest in peace, but he was not there. Gandia. Gandia. Alright. Alright. Alright, mate. So when when when Nairobi got that headshot, I was like, well, I already had that emotional you already, like, tricked me the first time, you know, with the teddy bear of her getting shot. So that did nothing to me. But once they did the service and they were carrying the coffin out, I oh, tears everywhere. Tears.

15:13Oti: But but then again, you know It's not fair. It's not fair. But throughout the whole episode, they had sort of played it as if because the things that Nairobi went through this season, oh, anyone would be crying to be killed by the end of it.

15:32KT: And but we talked about this a lot, especially in the first Money Heist episode that we did. Nairobi was craving love, whether it was familial love, whether it was romantic love, she had a lot of holes in her foundation of love and affection, Unfortunately. And even to the point where she knew Helsinki was gay, but she just wanted them to be together. You know what I mean? And it was sad. And you knew she wasn't going to have a normal life after the heist. Like that was made very clear. Even

16:11KT: when she started begging El Professor for sperm, I thought that was a bit sad. I'm just like like, I get that she's done a lot and no one else has her skill. I'm still trying to figure out what skills Tokyo has, but no one has Nairobi's skill. Right? The forgery alone. So I get that she's valuable to the team, but I felt like El Professor Or should have, like, set her straight a bit because that is a behavior that you kind of wanna nip in the bud.

16:40Oti: I didn't see it like that. I saw it as, you know

16:40KT: Well, we know you foster babies just for fun.

16:40Oti: Yeah. It's it's my sort of weekend activity. It's my hobby. Well, considering the the sort of emotional trauma Nairobi has had to go through Mhmm. And the fact that we've seen her at this point sort of accepting the fact that she will no longer be able to get her son because he's already got embedded in another family and possibly has a better life. Oh, yes.

17:10Oti: So she's sort of moved on from that, and that's the Nairobi we had in both part one and part two. Mhmm. So there is some character development in that now she does just wants to start her own family.

17:23KT: Yeah. But

17:23Oti: And in that, who who better than professor to be the sperm donor?

17:23KT: And I I would just say this because we're talking about in the context of a show, not in real life. But sometimes people have just especially adults. Sometimes adults have been going through too much shit. You just need to, like, reset in whatever way you can. I do appreciate the the the way that they played out the scene with her wearing the red dress because the whole time we thought it was just, you know, memories and flashbacks

17:56KT: but it was actually a flash forward. Hello, Tay Dix. It was a flash forward where she's actually in the afterlife. Mhmm. Because at the time, because they're going back and forth and they're showing past events,

18:10KT: you know, and we did see Moscow and we did see Oslo as well. You know, we we we just assumed that that was just one of those scenes. But, oh, man. There was a there was a there was a buildup and there was a payoff. When she was in that red dress and she finally died and you see that her lying there and she's seeing everyone and then Berlin welcomes her as well. Someone just punched me in the throat. I'm

18:36KT: getting I'm getting emotional again, but fuck, man. And that's that's the success and also potential failure of this show because I care so much about these characters. So much so that probably Oti more in particular, you give graces to where they fall short sometimes. You know, I'll be getting annoyed by how the writing's going, but I'm still fucking crying my eyes out because I care about these characters. And they did well to establish that very early.

19:10Oti: The buy in was instant with this show. Yeah. Yeah. It it really was instant. And the fact that, you know what, I would give this like, it would take a monumental sort of effort for Netflix to fuck this show up completely Oh, yeah. Just because of how much part one, part two, and some to some extent, part three did Yeah. For this sort of for this show Mhmm. That part four, it's not the strongest, but my god. It has the characters we love. And I just I was in for it.

19:43KT: Yeah. But you know what? And maybe it's just because I'm this sort of person. I always rewatch shit. So for me, if I wanna see the characters again, I'll just watch it again. Don't continue the series if it's deteriorating in quality because then, sadly, slowly, I fall out of love with you. And I would prefer to have a love as vibrant as a 100 Spanish suns. I'm all out of love. I'm solo without tea. But what a series.

20:21KT: What a series all round. The the problem that I have with part four is we have held the banner for La Casa de Papel ever since we started this podcast. And if people, for whatever reason, start watching part four, they'll be like, what the fuck are these people on about? You know what I mean? Like, I feel but, man, like, part one and part two, definitely. Part three, just for fun. It bothers me that nothing really ramped up until the last two episodes of this eight episode part

20:57KT: because it was made quite clear that they were going like, nothing that's what bothered me. By the end of episode six, we knew nothing was going to be resolved Yeah. And we would have to wait another season. Yeah. Well, it At least in the other part, they managed to, like a lot happened. You know what I mean? In part four, they started within the heist and they didn't leave. You know what I mean? There was literally no movement. Yeah. So part four majorly is the conflict between

21:30Oti: the characters themselves against Gandia.

21:36KT: And that's Oh, not Gandia. Gandia. Gandia. Got your got your number. Gandia.

21:49Oti: But yeah. Oh, you're ridiculous. That was the sort of plot for this season. Mhmm. And at least they did make some developments in terms of trying to fight back against the government and in terms of

21:49KT: But they did that in part three. Aikido. Remember? The Japanese military take

21:49Oti: Not to the extent of what they did in this season because this now, they've actually exposed the the misbehavings of the government and top officials

22:17Oti: to the press and to the public. Okay. Yeah. I get that. And that's a big thing. That weans people back to them because at the end of season three, we saw them firing a missile or bazooka to a tanker, and people they're worried that they've lost sort of the public opinion. And once you lose that, then you're slightly weaker. And you could see they still had them, especially when Lisbon was leaving, was being transferred. Yeah. And people were just swarming all over her. Yeah.

22:49Oti: Scenes, man. It was a beautiful moment. It was like Princess Diana was walking down there, mate. Oh, may she rest in peace. May she rest in peace.

22:58KT: But, yeah, like like even the layers of it because when you think about it, it was kind of like a game of Jenga, which is a Swahili word, isn't it?

22:58Oti: Yeah. For build.

22:58KT: Yeah. Stealing everything, mate. Oh, words. Well, means nothing because she's not there anymore. Oh. Damn, dawg. Man. But in regards to taking the corrupt government down, there were layers of it. There was chipping away at the layers of it because you had Alicia and she was more than happy to, you know, accept responsibility, but she was not going to let Tamayo

23:36KT: get away with any, like, absolution.

23:39Oti: Yeah.

23:40KT: Right? So we had Alicia. We also had the lead of affairs, the bald headed men as well. So they were the first to fall. And Alicia is like, fuck this shit. You are coming down with me. Right? So she was the one to topple the top. Yeah.

24:00Oti: And the fact that she became more effective in her twenty minute stint of being unemployed and being chased, of being a fugitive, she did more to catch the professor than she did while in the tent.

24:00KT: Well, that's just an easy one because professor's an idiot. He's not a genius.

24:00Oti: Oh my gosh. He is a genius. Can you stop with that? KT has this preconception that the professor isn't a genius

24:00KT: Mate.

24:00Oti: Just because of some stupid writing here and there and stupid plot holes, that's not the professor's fault.

24:30KT: That is the fucking foundational qualm when you center the intellect of the protagonist. Because that means for the story to continue, they need to be dumb in some cases. Like Scofield from Prison Break. Right? And that's the problem you have when you have a smart character, and the whole the whole premise of the show is based on how smart they are. But you also have smart people elsewhere. It's not just team in Avatu. How about when Angel followed him to his cidery? That was fucking stupid.

25:04KT: How about when El Professor put his fingers all over the cop car? That was fucking stupid too. That was very early on, babe. Yeah. You thought you thought we were just part four La Casa de Papel watches? Well, you were fucking wrong. We've been there since the start of Money Heist.

25:21Oti: True. True. There's some stupid Also, mistakes that he

25:25KT: with Alicia, if you've watched any sort of cop movie, cop TV show, once they they remove the the cuffs of rules, it's all guns blazing. That's where all of the work happens, where they don't have the restrictions of the law.

25:40Oti: Well, she wasn't even following the law in the first place. She was she was pretty much bending every rule there is. Yeah. But you know, like,

25:48KT: just give me a second to put on my tinfoil hat. But you know, like, all governments have some dodgy side branch that they choose not to acknowledge, but that that's where the real results come through. Oh, man. Your Guantanamo base, all of your little come on, Oti. Why are why are you I'm gonna be a little fear. You're going down with me, Oti Tamayo.

26:14Oti: Alright. Alright.

26:16KT: There's some shady shit going around the world. Of course, there's shitty things that go around the world that people who have been They given pretend that they don't know what Alicia and all of them are doing, but it's getting the results that they want. And that was the whole point that she wanted to point out in that press conference. Yeah. True. I understand. And I'm with her. Like, she

26:38Oti: I didn't really warm to her character in the third season. I did. But I thought she was fun. But by the end of part four, I had felt her pain, especially when she started describing well, she's told us about her partner's Her husband dying. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, fucking hell, mate. She's been carrying this, like, not even telling anyone. Two months. That's really recent. Really recent. And the fact that no one she walked with knew.

27:02KT: And even after, Tamayo still wanted to pin all the dirt on her.

27:05Oti: Well, at that point, she'd done most of the dirty work anyway. Damn, dawg. It was just the obvious choice.

27:13KT: So you're saying if this podcast ever gets canceled, you're just gonna let me take all the blame?

27:13Oti: Oh, for sure. But I'll just get out of the way.

27:13KT: That's a Boondocks reference, friends and lovers. Oh, bloody hell.

27:26Oti: Yeah. What can I write in? Alicia was effective.

27:30KT: I feel like whenever we watch something and the characters are effective, even if they're hateable, you we kind of respect them, except for Ashur from Spartacus. But mostly, if someone's competent in what they're doing, we usually like we we respect them at least to some sort of point. I liked Alicia because, obviously she was pregnant but she had her sweets and her lollipops and stuff.

27:55KT: She reminded me of an anime character. And I think I mentioned that in part three as well but she reminded me of an anime character. So I think it was fun. It was fun to watch her operate, especially because she was kind of the equivalent of Raquel. Right? Once Raquel left, she kind of filled that spot. Yep. And to see her be so effective

28:18Oti: Without having to pull her hair up. Yeah?

28:20KT: Because her hair was already up, my friend. Right? Yeah. Loved how she was she was going off the grid and all she did was put her hair down, but her hair looks exactly the same. Put her hair down on glasses, mate. That's a completely different person. A reverse Clark Kent if you're nasty. Yeah. Oh, but she was very effective. I enjoyed watching her operate. And she didn't she obviously, everyone has, like, weaknesses within them, but she was formidable. Yeah. She was fucking formidable, and I loved watching her.

28:54Oti: But, you know, with with her strength also comes, like, I didn't really appreciate what she did to Rio. Yeah. No matter how many results you gotta get me, that was some borderline crazy

29:07KT: And how they he had no visible scars, and it was very measured.

29:13Oti: Very measured. Very measured. And it was so surprising when Tamayo was talking to her, telling her, oh, just take the fall and do it. And she was taking it and accepting it. I was a selfish lover. I was like, this is so against the character. Yeah. What the fuck? Then she went out to the press conference. Yeah. Yeah. She she didn't leave us hanging for too long. She's complete she just fell back to how we know she is.

29:40KT: Oh, but she's great. I wouldn't say great, but, yeah, she's alright. She's the Raquel that all of the wet dreams think about. She girdles my loins. Need I go on?

29:52Oti: So who do you wanna go to next?

29:56KT: I think we might as well go to Tokyo, your best friend.

30:00Oti: Bloody hell Tokyo.

30:02KT: She she wanted to be the leader of this group. But just because you wanna be the leader doesn't mean you're effective as a leader. And you know what? And we're talking about this when we were watching part four as well. There's been zero character development with Tokyo. She's still

30:20Oti: she's still She's still the same Tokyo we started off with in season one. Yeah. She's indulgent.

30:26KT: She always wants to be the center of attention. She's not balanced. She's not even tempered. And she literally does whatever the fuck she wants. Usually sexually. She's a Maserati as Denver. Oh, Denver.

30:41Oti: Almost

30:42KT: got it. Almost got it. Do you remember we watched the English dub and they try to do the laugh? That was fucking terrible. Voice actor that does Denver for the English dub.

30:55Oti: Yeah. That wasn't right.

30:57KT: Fuck, man. And if people say Money Heist was bad and they're watching the English dub, that's on you motherfuckers. But with Tokyo, the biggest example that just completely proved that she's terrible and she's not effective as a leader was when we had Gandia come back to life. Right? And Helsinki is like patching him up and she's so fucking emotional. Yeah. Which is understandable. I get it. It's it's understandable. However, in that very same scene, we see Denver. And he handled that scene like a true champ. A true champ. Second to none. Right?

31:41KT: And we said this, I think in the part three episode about how Denver would be a very effective leader. Yeah. And that became more apparent. And I definitely wanna talk about Denver, but let's continue talking about Tokyo for a moment. Gandia also made a comment after Tokyo kind of implied he was gay. He kind of threw her back on Tokyo saying she's gay as well. Yeah. I think Tokyo is just a very sexual person.

31:41Oti: Yeah. She's fluid, mate.

32:11KT: I don't even know if she's fluid. I think she's just very sexual. I think she's she can swing wherever the wind blows. But she's as fluid as Palermo or even Berlin. Yeah. Berlin. Yeah. Yeah. Weird. Black Panther. I don't know if Palermo is like I think Palermo just loves Berlin.

32:29Oti: Whatever label that is, he just loves Berlin. And I think he has some feelings for Helsinki as well.

32:35KT: Yeah. You're right. And they did have that little moment. But it was there anything else you wanted to say about Tokyo? I feel like we've talked about her a lot in all the other episodes though.

32:35Oti: Yeah. I feel like I was just disappointed in how she handled it because I, you know, I'm in the Tokyo camp and I love Tokyo, but

32:52Oti: she wanted to be a leader and then things went haywire and she didn't deal with them properly. And the fact that she even went against or said some really bad shit about the professor when they were patching up Gandia. Yeah. Like, the professor doesn't care or he's just a robot. He's not even

32:52KT: I agree with that.

32:52Oti: Come on now.

33:13KT: The professor doesn't know what it's like to be in the trenches.

33:17Oti: Because he's he's busy

33:20KT: pulling the strings. Mate, even Raquel is getting in on this.

33:24Oti: I can't I can't even, man. You you just need to be with Tokyo on this and just put you out of the show, mate.

33:24KT: I just defended Tokyo so that just proves

33:35KT: I'm being very balanced about my opinion. I'm really not. Yeah but we've talked about Tokyo and again because she hasn't had much character development there's no need to continue talking about her. Is there anything else you wanna say about El Professor?

33:50Oti: Oh, I like him. Like, you could see how much

33:50KT: We know you like him. That's very clear.

33:50Oti: You could see how much he hurt when Lisbon was killed or he thought Lisbon was dead.

34:06KT: I think more of that was just pride because he's not a genius and his plan failed, I think. And kudos to Tokyo for actually making professor realize that Lisbon must might Exactly. He's dumb. How can It's emotional.

34:20Oti: If if if the hours is the same end if I was at the end of that call, I would actually think you're both dead.

34:28KT: Dumb touching police cars and shit, making your own little cideries. Come on. If he's a genius, how does he not know that? Or you say he was just so heartbroken? Just so heartbroken. I will give you a Succession fuck off. You can fuck off out of here. Yeah. I just I didn't care for it. It would have been nice Cause we know this is Netflix, so it's gonna continue till the cows come home. It would have been nice to see El Professor in there.

35:05KT: So it didn't happen here. Maybe it will happen in the next part.

35:09Oti: But he needs he be be What inside? You needed somebody outside putting in your outside?

35:15KT: He was helping the plans. Marseille did everything.

35:19Oti: How do you think Lisbon escaped?

35:21KT: Excuse me. And why the fuck did we need a montage of him boxing?

35:26Oti: To show us that he was hot and he would do anything to fight for his feelings and what he believed he needed to do. I respected that. And the fact that you could go toe to toe with Marseille,

35:37KT: come on now. No. He could not. And that made no sense. That's like a death is a death battle?

35:43Oti: Yeah.

35:44KT: Yeah. Exactly. If you do the calculations, he wouldn't have even come close to Marseille. Marcel? Marcel. Alright. So do You

35:54Oti: have to wash these things. Pull your glasses off.

35:57KT: But keep your pants down. Fellas down. And let's continue. But yeah, like, El Professor, like, I didn't need to see him boxing is all I'm gonna say.

36:08Oti: Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

36:12KT: They should have given me a warning and told me to have a bucket so I can vomit. Speaking of Netflix have every sort of entertainment has classification sort of guides. Right? And it gives you like warnings. In Itaewon Class, they had smoking as one, which I thought was interesting. But for one of the episodes of Money Heist, one of the warnings was nudity.

36:31Oti: I think for all of the episodes, it's all nudity warning. And I'm like, mate, there's zero there's zero nudity in this.

36:43KT: And I think the comment you made while we were watching it was Netflix clearly don't know what nudity is. Because all we saw, unfortunately, it was also because the lady was being assaulted, but we just saw her titties and a bra. We didn't even see areolas let alone nipples. So don't pretend to be Showtime. HBO,

37:08Oti: yeah. Yeah. Or HBO, if you're not gonna give us the goods.

37:13KT: Consensual. Well, if we're talking about professor, we might as well talk about Lisbon. Did you feel like she was going to crack under pressure? She was going to crack. Yeah. I think she definitely She was going to crack. And that's the problem. If you're gonna live a life of crime, don't have collateral.

37:34Oti: Get rid of your baby. Get rid of your parents. Get rid of any familial ties. Yeah. And be free, mate. They won't be able to come for you for shit.

37:45KT: Get rid of your pets. Get rid of the nice neighbor that you get groceries for sometimes. Just get rid of everyone. Everyone.

37:51Oti: And just erase all memory. And then you can go full John Wick. Yeah. But she was she was seconds away from breaking if it wasn't for Antonantas or whatever the fuck that name is. Antonantas?

38:02KT: It sounds like a Evanescence cover band. You're welcome. Wake me up inside. Oh god. This this episode has as many irrelevant English songs as the fucking part four. Oh, she was definitely going to crack, and I like that. And then we saw once Alicia got dismissed, that's what she said. She's like, I don't fucking get it. I've been in, like, an inspector for fifteen years. I know when someone has cracked it. What the fuck happened? Oh, she's effective. You do not wanna get on her bad side.

38:44Oti: For sure. But, yeah, she was definitely going. So this kinda shows you hate seeing competent competent lawmakers. Like, fucking hell.

38:53KT: Get out. Get

38:55Oti: Not the not only the bad guys have competent people. Everyday should be dumbass.

39:00KT: Well, it's interesting. Right? Because it depends on who who we're rooting for in the narrative because it becomes relative. Right? Yeah. Because, yeah, arguably, you could say, you know, the Dali the Dali gang are the bad guys. But in actual reality, they're kinda shaking the establishment. Yeah. So that kinda makes good guys. Oh, for sure. And that's why you have all of the protesters out as well even though they got tear gassed in part three. Yeah.

39:32Oti: Alicia reminds me sort of Mahone in Prison Break.

39:35KT: Oh oh, but she's much better than Mahone. No. Mahone looks next. Kind of person. Mate. Mahone kind of became that detective in the Monster anime.

39:48Oti: Denmark. Someone's farted. Denmark. We watch anime too, friends and lovers, if you need them. Oh, bloody hell. But the the thing the the good thing with Alicia is that she's fucking beyond competent.

40:06KT: Oh, yes. And

40:07Oti: it makes it for a better viewing because I think professor has sort of lacked a lot of a bit of competition in that area. I was gonna say confidence. And I'm like, yeah. And it's time to see how the gray cells sort of match it up.

40:25KT: Yeah. I get that. I can see that. It it makes it more tantalizing because you wanna have a worthy adversary. Oh, yeah. I'm looking right at mine. Oh, why are you looking at Theo? Oh, I was going to say ready for the plucking but maybe not. Let's move on to three characters because they kind of interconnect with each other. We have Rio, Denver, and Monica. Oh. You can we can kind of tie them up together.

40:57Oti: So part four Monica is fucking hateable, at least for me. Oh, yes.

41:06KT: Okay. You They don't know what to do with her character, I think.

41:06Oti: Mate, you know who Denver is.

41:06KT: Yeah.

41:11Oti: You know who Arturo is. Yeah. So at the end of well, was it at the end of part three where Arturo managed to come in back into the Yeah. Monica was there promising her, oh, you I'll I'll you'll get to see your son or whatever. I'm like, fucking hell, mate. Idiot. This guy is a lowlife, you know, piece of shit Yeah. Who was ready to abandon you and your preggers. He said to get rid of the baby. Yeah. Yeah. And here you are promising the fucking world.

41:42Oti: And then when Denver finds out about this, not even from Monica herself Yeah. From Arturo. And then Arturo tells him that he rubbed his boner all over her as well. Fuck it. What guy won't be pissed off and want to beat that guy punch the lights out of the other person?

42:00KT: And that's what I don't fucking get. And, again, this is a problem that I had in part three. All of the women characters suddenly became annoying Twitter feminists. Like, any sort of like, even just a man breathing was a stake against feminism, and that fucking pissed me off because some they had some distorted sense, and you can see that very clearly from Monica. Right?

42:28KT: Because she was treating Denver like he was operating with some sort of toxic masculinity. And it's like, nah, lady. Like, I didn't have a dick, but if someone was rubbing up against, like, my partner, I wouldn't be happy either. Yeah.

42:40Oti: What the fuck did you expect Denver to do? Yeah. How was He was provoked as well. Yeah. He kept on pushing it. Yeah. And Arturo knew what he was doing. And the fact that Monica was so fucking blind to even see that Yeah. Oh,

42:55KT: far out, man. But she's and she fucking she fucking begged to come on this trip. She begged. Denver told them. Yeah. Denver told them. There's some ugly shit that's gonna happen here. Don't come. This is real life stuff.

43:07Oti: And to make even mad as worse with the fucking hypocrisy, she goes on and pretends to be some fucking badass and starts pinching Gandia's balls.

43:17KT: Who doesn't wanna pinch Gandia's balls to you? Isn't that how you reach enlightenment?

43:23Oti: We're going to hell. Robot Jesus, please help us. Yeah. I was just not her biggest fan this season. Oh,

43:29KT: She annoyed the hell out of me. If you don't know what to do with a character, leave them at home. I felt like she was just there and they needed to give her some lines because it made no sense. Well, the only thing that she did was give Rio a shoulder to cry on. Yeah. But that's that's weird as shit because even before she Bare feet, actually. Even she off even before she offered a consoling shoulder, Denver actually, man to man, tried to console him. And

43:58KT: then Monica was like, he doesn't wanna talk about it. Don't ask him about it. And then she asked him about it. Fuck off. Yeah. It's like, well, how about Rio's bonus?

44:09Oti: Yeah. I did not I did not appreciate her at all in this, like fuck's sakes.

44:14KT: And what really bothered me so yes. Yes. She's shit. And we get that. Cool. So I get that. But everyone turned against Denver and they were making it very clear that Denver was in the wrong. Even with Bogota, and I like Bogota. He's got seven kids, motherfucker. Like, who are you to give advice? But anyway, like, he was telling Denver that he was in the wrong.

44:40Oti: Not necessarily in the wrong. Just how to play it right. Like, if you see someone coming at you angry, don't say shit. Just accept it. Fucking apologize for whatever it is you're apologizing for. And then you could later come out and speak your truth once they're all settled.

44:56KT: And when are you gonna learn that lesson, mate?

45:00Oti: I still need to rewatch this season a few more times before I get there.

45:00KT: Hey, if you wanna be punished, just strap in

45:08KT: or strap on. Not for this show though. And

45:13Oti: Rio.

45:15KT: He went through some shit though. I don't think it was in his best welfare for him to be there though.

45:23Oti: No, it wasn't. But

45:26KT: Shouldn't El Professor be so smart and assess that and make sure he doesn't come back to there because that wasn't good for his mental health. There's no way else he could go to be honest. He can go back to his parents. Well, he he he's a criminal. So But he's forever the weak link.

45:42Oti: Yeah. He a lot of the problems started with with his weakness. Especially the part where he let Gandia walk away. And Denver was like, shoot anyway. You don't even have to fucking shoot him. Shoot him in the head. Shoot him no no head. Shoot him with the leg. Shoot him near his feet. Shoot him the fucking air for all I care. Yeah. Just bloody shoot.

46:06KT: But even Palermo said, like, this guy's a weak link. Remember when I was talking to Gandia, and he's like, now's your chance. Yeah. And that's where

46:14Oti: Denver was sort of vindicated because he said, I fucking told you this guy is fucking traumatized. Yeah. But no one No was listening to it. Yeah. Not even fucking Monica who had had the story.

46:25KT: Oh, bloody hell. Ridiculous, isn't it? I wish Monica would give me a boner. She gave me the opposite. What's the opposite of that? All of my genitals just crawled up to my stomach. Self pleasure is Ki me. Yeah. It's Sigourney's next sequel.

46:44Oti: Reminds me of the Alien scene. I don't know if you remember that. Like the Aliens.

46:44KT: I haven't watched it.

46:44Oti: Okay. Moving on.

46:51KT: Add that to the KT Bingo of things I haven't fucking watched. Let's move on. They just pissed me the fuck off. Let's talk about Palermo.

47:06Oti: Let the money has take you over Palermo.

47:10KT: Helsinki Bogota, Berlin. Oh, wow.

47:18Oti: I love us. Okay. So he's a genius. He's pretty much on the same level as

47:26KT: Well, yes, in this case. But stop using the word genius. Are you gonna call Jaden Smith a genius too?

47:31Oti: Oh, he's he's he's a he's a legend. He's an icon living.

47:35KT: But Will Smith is a icon chilling.

47:39Oti: He's well, Berlin said that he's a genius. He is the same as professor. Oh, yes. And professor in his March called him a genius numerous times in this season. So who are we to dispute that? Yeah. We could see that he actually relies on Palermo to come up with plans when he can't think clearly.

47:59KT: But I think Palermo has a lot of practical skill for all of the intellect that El Professor has, see character development on KT, I can acknowledge intellect in El Professor. A lot of it is based in theory. Right? And sometimes it's good to have a leader that is not just strategic like, sometimes it's good to have a leader that's tactical. And that's what Palermo is. Yeah. Like, if your plan completely falls to shit, he can find a way to regroup from that.

48:39KT: El Professor kind of has a whole complex and he has to like, you know, reboot a couple of times before he comes back to normal. But what really annoyed me was, yeah, there were moments with the boom boom ciao and all of the women were like, I don't like him and all of this sort of shit, but it was fucking effective. It was effective. And like in life, I feel like intention is very important. Sometimes

49:07KT: you can say things in a joking sort of way or you can say things in a hurtful sort of way. Palermo just strike me as one of those people that just like getting a rise out of people. He just like getting a reaction out of people. And he managed to get it every time because they fell for it every time. But I don't think there was anything malicious about Palermo aside from the way he treated Helsinki, but that's another story.

49:33Oti: Oh, yeah. I would say Malicious. Like, they know who is a character and even more so they know that he would do anything to get his way. Uh-huh. If he feels like he's not the leader, he'll find a way to sabotage or cause chaos so that he could rise up and continue leading. So they all are aware of this. But you also ignore the fact that

49:54KT: Tokyo staged a coup.

49:56Oti: Yes. And that's why I'm wondering reason. That's why I'm wondering why the professor didn't tell the rest of the people, like, mate, you need to keep Palermo happy. Just make sure that he thinks he's the leader. Keep him there. Follow whatever the fuck he wants. And he knows best in this scenario. Yeah. He does knows. Yeah. But then again, you know, the problem is he the chaos he's caused, he didn't really think about it too much or what the effect would be.

50:23KT: He did. He he under I think he said he underestimated the emotional

50:28Oti: effect. Which is weird because when Berlin was casing the joint earlier Yeah. Berlin told him, we need to kill this guy because he will be a problem.

50:42KT: Uh-huh. Gandia? Yeah.

50:44Oti: So the fact that Palermo was still sort of underestimating the sort of chaos he'd be able to cause

50:50KT: is ridiculous. No. It makes sense. He's he's smart, a savant, if you're nasty. Mhmm. But he doesn't have emotional intelligence.

51:01Oti: I guess so. That's very clear.

51:03KT: Any sort of semblance of humanity he had was through Berlin. He didn't really gauge sort of any emotional sort of situations. He kind of used people as play things, Helsinki in particular.

51:17Oti: But

51:19KT: it's just annoying, and that caused more episodes. Like these eight episodes could have been three episodes if I'm concerned. Wow. I fucking love these characters. So yes, I will watch it, but reward me, don't punish me because Oti does that and it's most pleasurable. Right? But yeah, it's like, you know, he and you know what? Like when we get to part five, because obviously they're going to be able to successfully carry out the heist.

51:53KT: Yeah. Obvious. It's going to happen. They're going because then what else is this show? Right? They all die in there. That's sad. So they're all gonna successfully pull off the heist. That means that Palermo is more smarter than El Professor because they made it very clear starting from part three that this plan was riskier. That's why they went to La Casa De Papel, the house of paper. That's why they did that first because it was more guaranteed, there were less variables and they could be able to execute that quite well. Yeah. Right? And this

52:33KT: plan was volatile, it was unpredictable, all of the odds were against them. They were fucking scuba diving for their gold. Right? There was a lot fucking going on in part three and part four. So by that admission alone from El Professor, once this heist is carried out, Palermo should be the be all, the end all, the omniscient, everything.

53:00Oti: I don't know about that. He's a bit too he's a bit too much of a wild card for that.

53:08KT: Yeah. But he's effective though. He was very he was very reminiscent of Berlin because that's the way they treated Berlin. They treated him as some sort of dictator. Yeah. But he made the hard decisions and that's what you need from a leader. You don't need someone that in their distorted sense loves everyone like Tokyo because I mean, you become too emotional. Right? You need someone that cares enough but can remove themselves in order to make the right decisions. True. And that's what Palermo was. True.

53:41Oti: True. I agree.

53:43KT: Let's talk about Helsinki and Bogota.

53:46Oti: Wow. The love for Nairobi, you know, goes beyond. And the fact that Bogota had just started, had just got into the box, mate. And then Nairobi dies. He was he was he was filling away. Oh, yes. And the fact that he was the one to beat up Gandia when he tried to run away, I was like, He's like, this is your moment. This is your therapy, mate.

54:14KT: Because he had the gun there. Yeah.

54:16Oti: Yeah. It was it was good to see that. At least he's beating me to a pulp to get it out of his system. But I felt sad for him. I felt more sad for Helsinki though just because of the sort of friendship because it trans it's transcended your ordinary sort of relationship love that you'd crave for. This ain't no ordinary love.

54:40KT: Okay, Sade. Why are you caressing the what the fuck is this called? Robot Jesus arm? Oh,

54:51Oti: but wow. I love him. He's he's a solid character. He's reliable. It was kind of stupid that he'd see blood on the floor with a book when he was chasing after Gandia. And then There was no blood, and then there's blood. Blood, and then all over all over a sudden, there's a spill of blood, droplets of blood, and a book there, and it's still just ending there as if there's unlike me. Me, can you not see this? Yeah. Go the other fucking way or just call other people to back you up. Yeah. Exactly.

55:25Oti: But he almost died. And I was like, man, if you lose Oslo and then Helsinki, who the fuck are we gonna go with this? I don't think they'll do that. Surely not. Yeah.

55:35KT: Hopefully not. Hopefully not for a long time. They always like to have emotional deaths. So do you wanna have a cute little guess of who you think might die next season?

55:44Oti: Oh, it must be someone that without too much relies on story wise. It can't be Denver. It it it definitely wouldn't be Denver. But Denver would break me. I would say it would be Rio. Rio can die and be of sad, but it wouldn't crash anything too much. Yeah.

56:05KT: Well, he's been through a lot. Like how much of a normal life can he have after this? Yeah. Well, how would you say? Especially because he broke up with Tokyo. So stupid.

56:15Oti: Wrong time, mate. How do you break up with a Maserati?

56:20KT: Oh, wow. Did that did that hit with you? That example? It did. What kind of car am I?

56:28Oti: Rolls Royce, mate.

56:29KT: Oh, thanks. That means I only get driven by old white men?

56:36Oti: You call me old white men all the time. So if the shoe fits.

56:36KT: Don't need to tell them what we get up to, Oti.

56:45KT: Oh, but Helsinki has been solid from the start. And I'm glad that he has more dimension. Because it's very easy just to be like the big muscle guy with a beard. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I'm glad we got a bit more dimension to Helsinki. He had that sort of meaningful moment with Palermo, but I didn't really care for that. Yeah.

56:45Oti: I cared for it. Like, shows at least

57:04Oti: he has feelings for someone on there like I don't know. I I I appreciated it. I appreciate it definitely more than you did then.

57:15KT: Oh yes. But that's every case. Anything else you wanna say about Bogota? No. I think he's fine. I think he's a solid character. They needed to fill the cast out. So cool. I like that his name is Bogota.

57:34Oti: Well, at least he was there to offer sort of relationship advice to Denver. But he's just there. And he was there at least for Nairobi.

57:42KT: What's his what's his specialty though? At least he was at least

57:46Oti: he gave Nairobi love that Nairobi needed.

57:51KT: Yeah. He is an expert in metallurgy, metallurgy, metal,

57:58Oti: I guess. He's an expert in metals,

58:01KT: I suppose. So there you go. Oh, we also have Oslo. Oslo's friend who's also Manila's dad with their crew of miners. That was pretty cute. Yeah. That was cute. And it it brought a bit more dimension to the world as well. Yeah.

58:23Oti: Berlin. Berlin. Berlin. Berlin. I love to see Berlin every time. He he just does it like I'm glad they're Vera Farmiga-ing him.

58:31KT: Yeah. Too. Even though he's technically dead, we still see him in the show. Yeah. We see him.

58:37Oti: I thought we we saw him more than most of the characters that are in the bunk anyway. Good. Which is good because Berlin is a very very solid character. He's a good actor. There's nothing he can do that would just disappoint me, I don't think. I pretty much cried or laughed every time he was on the screen. Yeah. And I'm not the biggest fan of flashbacks or anything, but man, Berlin just makes it easier.

59:04KT: Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's very effective. It's very effective indeed. And there was a lot. And then we got to see him with Tatiana. There was also a very intense emotional romantic moment between him and Palermo.

59:22Oti: Yeah.

59:23KT: And good for them. Sometimes you can love someone but you just can't be with them. Yeah. Whether it be circumstance or whatever the fuck it is. And it was made very clear that Berlin loves Palermo. He even said that. He's never experienced the depth of love that he has with any woman he's ever been with. But he just can't be with him. And

59:45Oti: I think that's Just because of 1% due to mitochondria.

59:50KT: Yeah. Oh,

59:51Oti: hello there. Yeah. Welcome to Oti biology one zero one, mate.

59:56KT: You had us and then you left us, But yeah, it's rounding out a lot more of the story. And one of the best moments in part four were with Berlin and El Professor. Just their little bickering and their little sort of brother moments. I fucking loved it. Yeah. It definitely makes this season

60:20Oti: better.

60:21KT: Because I think was El Professor was talking about is life heavier or is death heavier? I think that was quite some interesting themes that were being explored. But let's quickly do a speed round. We've already talked about Arturo. He's always been gross.

60:39Oti: He's always been gross. But like Him raping someone. Gross? Yeah. I don't know. That seems a bit too left for his character, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, it wasn't right. Like, veered off what we like, he's a he's a gross person. Yeah. But a real piece sort of gross person

60:57KT: You don't think there are some barriers before

61:01Oti: I thought there was a line like, they just ruined the Arturo character in my eyes for this. He ruined himself with his blunt scissors.

61:11KT: Because yeah. Then that dives into that's not an expert sort of behavior. Right? Like it kinda denotes to like, has he done it before? Yeah. Like you don't just wake up one day and start quaaluding people hopefully. Yes. And start rubbing them up. Like I don't know.

61:32Oti: I was a fan of Arturo. And I think in the last season, I said that if there's the one person you'd want in a sort of hostage situation was it was Arturo. Now I'm like, okay. What the fuck have you done with this guy? Yeah. Like, was just a menace in this just to be a menace. Like he was And not even for the betterment of the group. Yeah. You you love to hate him. And now it's like

61:55KT: spoiler for The Boys, but it's kinda like The Deep. It's like once you do that to the character There's no way you're coming back from that. Exactly.

62:05Oti: Fucking hell. Like, you could go anywhere with that character. And and the fact that Arturo in the previous season was that annoying because he was looking out for himself specifically. Uh-huh. But at least in that sort of self interest, it will also benefit the hostages. Yeah. But in this, it's just,

62:25Oti: alright. I brought myself into this situation, and then what? I wanna bust a nut and then that's it? Yeah. I know. Bloody hell. Get out of town, Netflix. Who the fuck wrote that character like that? Because in that, you have Arturo who's sort of wonky and weirdly, and he's gotten fame through this. Yeah. And, of course, he's still chasing that sort of fame to have something to write and talk about once he gets off. Uh-huh. But this sort of completely destroys that in that after that, he's

62:53Oti: he's You've ruined him. Yeah. You've used all you can use with his character. Yeah. I was not a fan of that. I did not appreciate that. And that's it for Arturo, I guess. Yeah. Hopefully. Fucking annoying.

63:07KT: Like, hopefully. Because sometimes it's nice to have characters that you hate, you know? Yeah. But this is too much. Yeah. Yeah. Quaaluding and touching up people is just All of things that all of the things that the female characters got angry at Palermo about is what Arturo was or what he turned into essentially. Let's talk about Marseille.

63:31Oti: Ever reliable Marseille, is it? Yeah.

63:35KT: Our Nikolaj Coster-Waldau from Croatia.

63:41Oti: Yeah. I guess he's the sort of muscles in this. Yeah. But he gives he bonds with the professor throughout this sort of journey, and he sort of tries to understand the sort of pain the professor is going through, gives him sort of advice, plays some music in his car, in his stolen car, and then apologizes for it because it was a teeny bopper sort of song. Uh-huh. His man. Dog.

64:10KT: Yeah. It was funny in that scene because Marseille was trying to console El Professor and he's talking about how he lost his dog. And at the start of the scene, El Professor was kind of offended that he would even compare, you know, his love to a dog. And then by the end of the scene, Marseille is explaining how much he loved the dog and how the dog died. And El Professor got emotional and he felt it as well. It was very John Wick esque. Oh, but Marseille was great.

64:45KT: And I think it's also because you think about the gang that's inside. Right? But there are other mechanisms that happen outside that make everything possible. Yeah. And I'm glad we finally see that exemplified through Marseille because with Elforte Fassort, we didn't see that happen.

65:05Oti: Ridiculous.

65:06KT: Oh, Angel never caught Marseille.

65:08Oti: True.

65:09KT: But, yeah, he he he's a solid character. And can I just say before we recorded this episode, we were playing the remix of Bella Ciao and we felt like Marseille in his car bumping the music?

65:23Oti: That was a funny scene.

65:25KT: It was good. It was very effective. It was the David Copperfield plan.

65:31Oti: Not exactly David Copperfield because I I, for some reason, thought that the four guards who were transporting Lisbon wouldn't notice that she was gone. I was like, what the fuck? How would they do that? Yeah. Only for them to beat them up and tie them with balls. I was like, this is not necessarily David Copperfield. It wasn't swift. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

65:48KT: But there you It was kind of brute. Yeah. Yeah. There wasn't any sort of finesse to it. Yeah. That was more David Brassfield me. Let's let's quickly talk about some other characters. Tamayo,

66:02Oti: I'm glad he has some sort of comeuppance. Yeah. Oh, his comeuppance are gonna be good. The castle needs to crumble. Yeah. Yeah. It'll just be a house of fallen cards and he'll he'll be right up there in the mix. Hopefully. Of there's no escaping that for sure.

66:19KT: It was nice to see Suarez again.

66:22Oti: Oh, yeah. And just before we moved to Suarez, like, you remember when they were, like, staging the sort of false scene of trying to get making them think that Gandia is escaping through the Yeah. Yeah. And there was just Tamayo trying to wonder, oh, where's the helicopter going? Come on. Bring it back. Everyone else in the room had realized what was happening, but Tamayo was so caught up in the moment. He had it, which was hilarious.

66:46KT: Oh, yeah. And Angel was the one to tell him. Yeah. Oh, bloody hell.

66:53Oti: That's it. I just wanted to say it was nice to see Suarez again. Yeah. It's a ever coming presence. He you know, he reminds me of the good cop in Narcos who died, who was killed off by a Oh, yes. What was his name? Amarillo.

67:07KT: No. That's yellow in Spanish. Yeah. Camarillo?

67:13Oti: I can't remember. There was this cop who had Yeah. Banned too.

67:17KT: Yeah. And actually, Narcos is a very good example of because you noticed they it was two two or three seasons of Pablo Escobar, and that was it. They didn't keep doing Pablo Escobar. And then they moved on to Narcos: Mexico

67:34Oti: with Felix.

67:39KT: Think I did the Spanish pronunciation, not the Mexican. Yep. Okay, mate. Oh god. We're gonna lose all our Spanish listeners now. But they had sections of Narcos. You know what I mean? I'm I'm getting worried for Yeah. Because I told you, it got up to a point, especially one of the slower episodes in part four, it felt like, you know, Money Heist part 10.

68:12Oti: Yeah. Hopefully, Netflix just there's only so much that can go with this. They definitely try to stretch it in this season, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

68:24KT: Mhmm.

68:25Oti: I'm not sure how long that would run for though. So hopefully, they've got an end inside for this. And let just great shows be that and end it at that. You don't need to be Homeland with fucking ten seasons, which I didn't even know it had. Ten seasons? Or eight seasons or whatever the fucking season they are on right now. How how much adventures can that red headed man There's only so much that lady could run her because at the start of the season in Homeland, she was pretty much broken down already.

68:52Oti: Oh my goodness. At season eight, she should be a walking carcass now.

68:56KT: Right. And transitioning into Walking Dead or some shit. I don't know. But I think I think that's the problem that we have with shows, especially with like, I haven't watched The Walking Dead, I imagine, part of the excitement is are they going to make it out alive? If you have eight fucking seasons of The Walking Dead, where's the tension? You're having kids and having colonies, right? Where's the tension? And it's kind of unfortunately for me personally, I enjoyed some aspects of part four, but I definitely didn't feel the way that I wanted to feel

69:35KT: in part one and part two, unfortunately. Fair enough. And it hurts. It hurts because I fucking love this show so much and this show means a lot to our podcast as well. You know, like is like sex. Sometimes it's just normal sex and sometimes it's part one and part two sex.

69:56Oti: Yeah. We'd all take part one and part two sex. The first cut is the deepest.

70:03KT: And that just gives you an insight into our sex. Let's just finish off since we're speaking about sex that can also mean love as well. This was a nice quote from Raquel when she was getting interrogated by Alicia. And she said, even if you were reincarnated seven times, you would never understand our love.

70:27Oti: For sure.

70:29KT: And even if you've listened to our podcast more than seven times, we fucking love you. Love you indeed. Stick it where it feels good, friends and lovers. Usually if we've covered something before, we mentioned what we already referenced. This is the segment we call For Your Reference. We usually recommend TV shows or movies that you haven't watched before if you enjoyed La Casa de Papel. And usually, if we've done it before, we'll just mention ones that we've done before and you can feel free to add on to it, Oti.

71:04KT: Last time you mentioned Prison Break Mhmm. I mentioned Gomorrah and Dirty Money.

71:10Oti: Yeah. Well, I'm not gonna change anything from that. Apart from the fact that we watched La Casa de Papel after watching Itaewon Class also on bloody Netflix.

71:21KT: Also, international foreign language.

71:25Oti: Yes. I am recommending that. I cannot recommend that more than this. Wow. Taking up all my slippers and feet and whatever

71:36KT: off my legs. You've got detachable feet? Yes. People don't even know if you're real, and you're saying you don't even have room. Can bloody take off a fucking mechanic

71:46Oti: vagina

71:47KT: and take off my feet. Oh, life would be so much easier if we had detachable genitals. Can I just say? Oh, yeah. Could we swap? Yeah. You Maybe you get like an adapter. You know how you have USB-C and you have a USB? Oh, you could get this. Maybe you get like an adapter with your adapters and just tease whatever suits your mood. If this was the first time you've listened to For Your Reference, you are most fucking welcome.

72:10Oti: Yeah. But, woah, mate, Itaewon Class, it's bloody brilliant. 16 episodes of pure gold. Wow. Yep. Look at it. It should be our next episode if I'm not wrong, is it, KT?

72:23KT: Oh, we haven't done too foreign

72:26Oti: in a reckon. We do it. Aye, mate. Just do it.

72:34KT: Well, there you go. So from Oti, Prison Break, Class, and from myself, which we need to fucking cover Yes. As well, which is also foreign language. Mhmm. Yes. Pull up the glasses on your genitals. We are very learned. And I also mentioned Dirty Money the first time we did Heist. Oh, nice.

72:54Oti: Which has a new season on Netflix. So watch new season on Netflix. Yeah.

72:59KT: So, you know, not so much for Screlly, but if you wanna watch the maple syrup reserve in Canada, it also has an episode on that too. But thank you so fucking much for listening to our episode. This has felt good, Oti. It does. It does. It has felt good. You know, if if you're feeling good, if you want us to feel good as well, follow us on Twitter and Instagram. We are @ForYourRefPod. You can write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. And if you'll be so welcome, we are also on Apple Podcast.

73:33KT: See you. Bye.