Marty Supreme, 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple, Night Patrol & My Brother’s Band
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In this week’s Reference Max we review Marty Supreme, 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple, Night Patrol & My Brother’s Band. A little Oscars chat but hopefully we’ll record a bonus predictions soon.
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KT: Whew. It's another week in the For Your Reference household and it is another Ref Max. Wrapping up a little bit as much as we can before we get to our Reference Degustation, Park Chan-wook, uh, we will be your vengeance. We will be your. Lady Vengeance will be your revenge. No Other Choice didn't make it into the Oscars, as did many others, as did some that didn't. Um, Anora deserved to be there. Perhaps maybe Chalamet were looking at you. Maybe Har,
Oti: did you just say Anora?
KT: Yeah. From last year.
Oti: Ah,
KT: what was she doing there? What? What's Brad Pitt F1 doing there? Bro? Shout out to Damson
Oti: respect the, as a cinematographer.
KT: Well. Uh, friends and lovers, I am, we are potentially trying to get through the best picture noms. We're five for 10 at the moment. If we were one of those freaks that do five films in a Sydney Film Festival day, we would've got to The Secret Agent and Sirāt, but. Well, so that's not best picture, but we'll get there when we get there. Um, let us know your thoughts on the best picture noms, all the Oscar noms. Hopefully we'll have some time to, um, record our predictions. But are you ready for this? Oti? Marty Supreme is the first off of the ranks, uh, in this episode today. How are you feeling?
Oti: Good.
KT: Are you the best in the world?
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Let's get on with the shirt. Hey, friends and lovers. It's your ping pong, underdog, lovers, KT
Oti: and Oti,
KT: the For Your Reference podcast. Welcome to another Reference Max. We are covering a collection today. Uh, Marty Supreme, 28 Years Later: Bone Temple, Night Patrol, as well as French, My Brother's Band.
Oti: Woohoo.
KT: Mm-hmm. Uh, we, well, Chalamet is French, so, uh, that's a great, perfect transition, um, into Marty Supreme, Oti. I don't know if you Yeah. You're making a face already before even saying that. I do just wanna mention, uh, there are a couple of, uh, controversies, uh, things to address that we're not gonna go into detail, but, uh, the ti.
Oti: Mm.
KT: They're fucking peas in a pod and they enable each other. There's controversy going around because they didn't stop a minor from having sex on tape. In
Oti: what?
KT: Yeah, around Good Time. The film. Good Time. Anyway. I'm sure there'll be more. He hasn't said anything. He dropped out of a q and a, so it was just Timothée Chalamet that went, but Timothée had dinner with him the same night. You know, anyway, so there's shit going on around there. Let justice happen to these motherfuckers if that's what the case is. But I'm always ready to pull up. Um, and Odessa A'zion, who is in Marty Supreme, she's been in recent controversy because she white, different white, but white, uh, took the role of a Mexican. Or a, a role that a Mexican actress could have taken. She got bullied out of the role. People are like, you never did that to Jacob Elordi in Wuthering Heights. All these white people be dabbling in shit. They're not supposed to. There's no tall, dark and wear.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: But anyway, so she got bullied out of the role. She should get bullied out of the role, but the casting director and the director for that film should also get bullied as well. Yes, she's a woman, but she deserves that smoke as well. Respectfully ho.
Oti: Wow.
KT: Yeah. Wait for my pull quote for Marty
Oti: Kas blazing.
KT: Wait for my pull quote for Marty Supreme. It's
Oti: not even February yet, fam.
KT: No, we're just having sexy rage that that's a difference. Um, but Marty Supreme. It's out, it was out for a minute before the nominations in the award circuit, but we were able to see it last year. Thanks you to NCO as well as A24. Um, it is now available in Australia to watch, uh, in cinema, so we're still gonna do spoiler free, Oti.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: bring the fire because I've got a scoville to the guards
Oti: Josh Safdie delivers the chaos you'd expect, but Marty Supreme feels like an indulgent portrait of unchecked ego. Woo. It's compelling in moments, even if its lack of consequence leaves a sour aftertaste.
KT: Woo. Eat that up. Friends and lovers. Oh, this is delightful. I wasn't sure whether this should be the last one or the first, uh, that we do in the Ref Max.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Oh, I wanna bathe, I wanna Saltburn bathe in your quote, but let me get to mine and, and you know we are, the salt and pepper shakes it right now. Are you ready?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: The obnoxious arrogance. Can you, lemme read my quote, can you excuse me?
Oti: I'll be heard of a carrot in the steak. You just don't start.
KT: I heard a carrot in the spank. F.
Oti: All right.
KT: And that's how we do Z Friends and love. Can you just let me get through my quote? We are learned cinephiles.
Oti: Give us your quote.
KT: The obnoxious arrogance. Hang on. The obnoxious arrogance across the production makes sense for the tone of the film, but is also what kept any sort of wholeness to the narrative.
Oti: Fact,
KT: you can't even reflect on yourself. You motherfucker. That's why you can't do it in the film.
Oti: Mm-hmm. And to, to, without spoiling anything, it, it, it's sort of a mirror to society because, you know, this what, this man is never gonna face consequence for whatever shitty thing he does.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: In terms of trying to get
KT: there, because it's cute. It's cute because he's a white boy.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Because watching that movie, it felt like a, a mother superhero shit.
KT: It's not superhero, it's just the normal, it's just Tuesday for him.
Oti: Which is the worst thing about it, isn't it?
KT: Yeah. But I think we also need to be aware of the world.
Oti: Yeah. Like, like it's, it's
KT: the world bends to him.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: And he bends for them.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Um, I just wanna point out in my quote, I said across the production. I'm talking about, see, I didn't even know which side of the testicle Safdie it was, um, but him as a director as well as Chalamet, just arrogant like, but again, I don't think that's a bad thing. It worked for the film and I think perhaps. Production wise as well as Chalamet, they probably thought they were doing an over exaggerated version of how the world see Americans and well, as non-Americans we're like, yeah, that's how you guys are.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Like people can't just sit in a room without an American puffing. They're just being like, I'm American. We're the best. I didn't learn about other histories in the world because we're the world world champion of what. Americans are so centric.
Oti: Uh, yeah. And, and, and the, the parts in this movie though are talking about different competitions and not, and, and the care factor of all. If America isn't in it, will anyone care for it?
KT: Yeah. Football. Hello?
Oti: Uh,
KT: do they not hear Shakira's bellow This Time for Africa?
Oti: Well, there's issues with that as well, so, yeah. But, um,
KT: don't, don't say she's the Chalamet pong of football. She's not FIFA. She's not the one who should be fighting, Oti.
Oti: Nah. Um, but it is watching this movie and just thinking that. It's being petered up there against some of the best we've seen this year. This is
KT: Oscars though. Mm, like far be from me to talk about upholding a crusty white institution. But surely best picture means some. And also my, I'm a very insular indie gal, but my take opinion. A best picture nom should be on a large scale, small, small stories like Train Dreams, which you know, eventually we'll get to, I believe it's available on Netflix. I don't know if that is because if it is, then I've got many other films that I reckon should be even. Sorry, Baby was quite nice. You should put that on the best picture on, you know what I mean? Like what does that. Not that it was A24 and it was indie. I just don't think the scale of the film and the, there was no emotional depth to the film.
Oti: Do you think because it's AMI playing course role. Of course, that's why it's there.
KT: But he is also like Leo as well, where he is like the bridesmaid and not the bride. Unless this is now because that Mikey Madison, where does she come from? Huh? Paddle scene. Because obviously hashtag Oscars So White. We said it. Friends and lovers, our podcast has been around, so you are welcome to listen to all of our episodes, but we said it with Parasite. Here you go. Here's your little foreign thing. You're not gonna get shit for like 10 years. Now. How is and
Oti: no correction, eh,
KT: but how is that a best picture? 'cause you know what, you know there's a best casting that's going on, like it's a new category. Mm. And people are saying, oh, how are people in best casting? But they didn't get best actor best this and that. You weren't saying that shit when Parasite won Best picture. And, uh, how are you winning Best picture? And none of the actors are nominated. Come on now. It's so very clear.
Oti: You can't, you can't, you can't have best, you can't win best picture. And none of the actors make it in any other category.
KT: Because, because then that's a gimme.
Oti: Mm mm.
KT: Going back to Marty Supreme. You know, Oti and I, if you believe in soulmates, whatever you believe, but the love is the love because with my little notebook, I wrote down a note. We came out of the screening and Oti said. Said white people don't have consequences. And I said, and I said, I said, I said, hold onto your luscious lips, Oti. And I opened my notebook and it was literally white. People have no consequences that I wrote down in the notebook. I think what I would also say is, yeah. That's the world, right? January 6th is just a quat memory in this American history that they continue to revise, right? So I don't think that that's the problem with Marty Supreme. I just think it didn't give itself any more layers. You know what, this is on the same level as, um, The Last Showgirl.
Oti: Oh.
KT: It didn't really go far to see it. It was good in the indulgence, like feel, feel sorry for me because my time is up and some people never got their time, but my time is up. But it didn't have the sit down. Reflect upon yourself. You don't even need to do that in your own personal life. But from a character arc, we never really got to that realization. Right?
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: So I don't think there's anything wrong with Marty Supreme as a movie, but like as the fact that like he gets everything he wants. Because if you notice, he doesn't even need to do much to convince people. He's not even convincing them. People are just giving him shit. He's like, can I have this? And they're like, yeah, of course. Take my firstborn as well.
Oti: Yeah, bare minimum of navigating that world and just,
KT: but it's also how the world is.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: So I don't think that that's a, a strike against the film. Yes. It was annoying that he was, uh, literally ping ponging around in his a arrogance. But that's not why the film, um, didn't cut, didn't cut above, you know, what, what other sort of offerings, 'cause obviously it's, it's viewed in the lens of award season. Um. I think like if you compare it to like our Paul Thomas Anderson, Oti, by the way, that's becoming one of our most popular Ref Max or just episodes at the moment. I'm assuming it's 'cause we of the One Battle After Another and that Ref Max that is a problem. That film is a problem, and the reception of that film that people love it and they don't fucking get it is a problem. This film. It's not that much of a problem, but the reception to it is the problem. Does that make sense?
Oti: Yeah, I hear you. Yeah.
KT: It was so indulgent. It was so like, the world belongs to me, but when has the world ever told him it didn't belong to him? Mm.
Oti: Yeah, it didn't, and, and rightly so, because no one told him otherwise. He didn't face anything really that told him he couldn't do anything. So I guess, yeah, I thought it would be up to the movie to show us some sort of journey and growth. But I guess that's, uh, full on me
KT: while we're ranking the ties. Uh. Uh, this on The Smashing Machine. How are you? Are they apple oranges? Is one more enjoyable to you? Do you think one was able to deliver a bit more?
Oti: Mm, I, I had take this because Smashing Machine just infuriated me at the level they want to hide the shit that they want to hide and to just pedal more the, oh, it's what we are trying to do to, it was just. A Beaty movie.
KT: I think the Rock also deserves some of that blame because whenever he has productions it, there's a lot of glitz to it. Like I think it is on purpose that it stays on surface when Dwayne Rock Johnson is involved
Oti: because there's nothing pointed. This general, then going into a movie, them covering something, trying to,
KT: especially when it comes to domestic violence.
Oti: Yeah. Having this pretest that they want to cover a lot of stuff, heavy stuff at that fact and then just blows in. Mm. Only what services you and then to the point where they have footnotes at the end of the movie. Like, nah, I can't.
KT: But it's like statistically, whenever there are sporting events cases and domestic violence rise. So is it grow up because, yeah. Even watching it, and I'm glad that you get it. 'cause even just as a woman watching, I was like, come on man. Like love Emily Blunt.
Oti: I'll take a sport bra any day over whatever Smashing Machine try to do.
KT: Yeah, and it's also like, um, oh actually we did, I did talk about Bugonia, didn't I? I just don't like, I get like Emily Blunt and then Emma Stone. They probably agreed, and I would hope it was filmed in a safe way. I just don't like seeing women get battered on screen.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: If it is to purpose, I would hope that it is filmed by women and there's a reason for it, but I, knowing a man made it, it just, yeah, the I'll come and fight you. I know that's not supposed to be the answer, but violence, beget violence, and I'm pulling up. But you know, Marty Supreme was Okay. I, I didn't think, actually, when we were walking outta the screening, did you think that you would thunk that this would be an Oscar conversation?
Oti: No, I didn't even think it would be in the pick. I was surprised to see it get the reception it did, and to get sort of nominated that way. I was like, oh, this is just one of those not TV movies, but Yeah. Straight to stream, you know?
KT: Yeah.
Oti: We got it just the day before it went hit, hit the, the YouTubes. But nah, it wasn't meant to be, I guess.
KT: I guess
Oti: I misunderstood the whole, I just took it as
KT: talk. I think we both, 'cause as much as we, if we know we're gonna watch something, we don't really watch the trailers. We don't even read synopsis. So I don't think either of us even knew it was about ping pong.
Oti: Mm.
KT: I just remember him. I, I, for some reason I thought he was like. Some Republican, 'cause you see him with the paddle. So I thought maybe he was like, you know, um, Boys State. I thought it was something like that. I don't know. Anyway, any closing thoughts on Marty Supreme?
Oti: No Chalamet to get people talking about him.
KT: Oh, actually, can I say something?
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: And this isn't a hot take. Friends and lovers, this is my genuine thoughts. Which tend to arouse particular feelings within people. But I'm not trying to arouse you. I assure you I feel nothing when it comes to Timothée Chalamet. He is like, what do you mean? Like he's like Taylor Swift to me. I don't mean that in a derogatory, like he's vapid or whatever. I guess I'm calling Taylor Swift vapid in that. I can see how hard Timmy Chalamet works. I can, I can understand that Taylor Swift works very hard, but emotionally offers nothing to me personally. I can see that proficiency, I can see that Timothée can act, but I don't, I don't feel anything when I watch him. That's all.
Oti: I think he's quite,
KT: I liked him in Wonka. That's the best role. I, and I haven't watched Call Me By Your Name.
Oti: He was really good in Wonka. I like him in Dune. I think he is. I think he is cool.
KT: White boy was Spice like what, what? How much more can you offer? No, no, no. But the, the character is interesting. The world is interesting. It could have been any other white boy. What specifically made him make that good? Do you understand? Exactly,
Oti: but you can see that in Wonka. I think he brings something
KT: D different. No, because the tone of Wonka. That's what I'm saying. It also could have been any other insert white boy flavor of the month. Like
Oti: I don't agree with that. Oh,
KT: but do you think, do you know recently how we're watching Wonder Man and Yahya did that very specific scene and I was like, fuck man, he can act. Why is he doing non-drama roles?
Oti: Mm.
KT: I just don't see that. I think the closest I've seen of Timothée is him in Marty Supreme. Which 'cause in what world? Like in,
Oti: because he was, he was, to me, he was good in Marty Supreme.
KT: Yeah. I think it was good he was, but I didn't feel anything
Oti: he was good in. I think the only frustrations I have with Marty Supreme is the movie and sort of the underlying nature, the storytelling, the narrative of what it is, rather than his performances, because. He is quite good in it
KT: and an additional addendum. I agree with all of that, but also I'm just saying I don't feel anything emotionally when I watch Timothée Chalamet. Is that okay?
Oti: Oh, fair enough. I, to me, in this movie, I think he acted his butt off and I think that's why it sort of,
KT: but that's what I infuriated mem he did. He did put in the work. I'm not saying he didn't. That's what I'm saying.
Oti: Oh, you just don't feel it.
KT: Yeah. It's like, you know how someone can sing or they can sing. He wasn't sang and acting. That's what I'm saying.
Oti: Mm.
KT: That's all I'm saying.
Oti: Okay. I hear you. I hear you. I still think you
KT: two. Are you that, oh, what's, what's it? Is it Club Chalamet? There's a middle aged white woman that like, she's a fan account, very toxic stalker fan account. Is that you?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Are you like Atlanta, but middle aged white woman?
Oti: What is it? What is it? SNL, is it his, um, little tiny pony?
KT: Yeah. I like that actually. Actually, that's my favorite, that's my favorite role of his.
Oti: You know what? If, if you take Chalamet out of Marty Supreme, I don't think it gets the same level of gravitas. I think it takes, he embodied what that movie is. He was like, he is married King. '
KT: cause he's the, the white boy flavor of the month. That's why he, it works for him.
Oti: I thought it was melodies.
KT: Jacob Elordi.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Jacob Elordi could have done this role too, because I don't feel anything when I watch him either.
Oti: Ah, yeah.
KT: What,
Oti: what is this?
KT: I've watched Jacob Elordi heels in Saltburn. Right?
Oti: Uh
KT: uh. In Priscilla. I've seen him in Priscilla. Like he can act, he can see that's the problem with you,
Oti: which is hard for me to understand because coming from a Twilight Super fan where you,
KT: but Robert Pattinson is great.
Oti: I'm not even talking about Robert Pattinson there. This was The guy is
KT: great.
Oti: No, no, no. Not the two main ones. There was the brothers
KT: Jacob. Not
Oti: Ner, not Jacob. Um,
KT: not Jacob Ner
Oti: the siblings. Um,
KT: Kellan Lutz, Emmett.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: You were going on about Emmett. What did Emmett do?
KT: Because this is when I pull my, my wanky glasses and say, when actually I read the book. I'm talking about the description of Emmett.
Oti: Ah,
KT: and, and Timothée Chalamet could never play Emmett. Not even on his best day. '
Oti: cause it'll be Edward.
KT: Ew,
Oti: f
KT: Actually no, you're right.
Oti: What do you mean this background characters? Fa Yeah.
KT: That would make, that would make Kylie, um, Bella. And that wouldn't work.
Oti: Why would Kylie be Bella?
KT: Because he is with Kylie Jenner.
Oti: Ah, okay. Yeah. Uh, some things I don't keep up to date with
KT: anyway. I am not, um, I'm not facetious enough to say that he can't act. I know he can act. I just don't think he's saying it, that's all. And he don't, he don't need to be saying it. He don't need to be saying it. But for me, I like feeling things.
Oti: So it's sort of similar to you watching Damson Idris, where you're like. He can act. Wow.
KT: While you don't feel, wow. Wow, wow. Don't come for F1 nominee. Hey, yay, yay, yay, yay. Hey, yay, yay.
Oti: Just trying to compare Potatoes and
KT: potatoes. No, no, no, no Damson Idris is like, Bill Skarsgård. See what you're doing. No one's gonna invite me to a Halloween. On Halloween. I said Halloween. Bill Skarsgård. No one's gonna invite me to a Hollywood party. But looking at the files at the moment, maybe I don't need to be anywhere.
Oti: No, I needs to be anywhere near Hollywood Party.
KT: It's better off having one woman. It's getting tricky right now. Okay, so I feel like Damson is a little bit like Bill Skarsgård, where he is very good at character acting him as Franklin Saint. In a good, bad way, that role will live with him. Especially once people find out he's British. After that, they see that as that's him, right?
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: It's hard to break the mold, but if I can put it asterisk of real conversation on this Delroy Lindo. 'cause people are even, you know me, Sinners researching Jamaican, British came over. Acting school. So he's been in America for a long time, right? Yeah. And that's where he was rooted. Um, and he met with Denzel, and that was the, that was the real calcifying for his career. Right. You, you don't get that same sort of love and breadth of career in the uk respectfully. Right. So what I'm saying in regards to Damson, there is something about the roles that are available to him, but. Even seeing the way he posts on social media. Damson, love ya. You're never gonna listen to this, you're never gonna pay attention to me. I just, he just feels like a facade. He is. Or maybe, maybe on his private finster, he's living his best life. But if we go back to his act, why did you do that? I was,
Oti: no, I was just comparing because
KT: I, no, it just, it just sounds interesting from my brother. You know, but you, no, I
Oti: recalled, I recalled a similar sentiment
KT: I was talking about, about Chalamet and Elordi, and you brought up Idris. That's why I feel like, you know, it feels interesting for you to bring up
Oti: all three men, like ps
KT: Get out, get out. We, we rescind your invitation as host of the For Your Reference podcast. What's wrong with you? Because you're not wrong though.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: You're not wrong though. So you're allowed to stay, I guess. Um, yeah. See, see what you did. You just flatlined that whole conversation. But, um, yeah, I just didn't, I just didn't feel anything. Oh, can I also say something very like an observation? The Golden Globes in particular, I feel really sad that there are. Talent, not even arguable, debatable, genuine talent of our age that feel like they're being aged out of best actor roles. I don't know if it's because the generation before us clung onto all of the actors
Oti: best
KT: actor roles because we're watching the Golden Globes, Michael B. Jordan being nominated. First time for the Oscars. I think even for Golden Globes, it was the first time he was nominated.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Then you have Dakota Fanning there, like there's so many actors and actresses of our age that never really got the height of their career as a Halle Berry as a, I can't think of a man at the moment. You know what I mean? Like it just feels like it's passing them by. And I don't know if it's because of streaming. I don't know if it's because the old guard didn't pass on the keys, so the old people just kept, not old people, but like the people older just kept winning awards. But it doesn't even feel like, 'cause now you're seeing Chalamet, like you're seeing younger people be nominated 'cause it's quote unquote their time now. And Michael B. Jordan never got his time. Do you understand what I'm saying? Are they're
Oti: the same age?
KT: No, Michael B. Jordan's out. Asia, you, Timothée, I think you're, it's okay if you wanna continue this conversation,
Oti: but Michael B. Jordan has been doing his thing for a minute,
KT: but that's what I'm saying, like the younger people that are younger than us. It's their time. But the people that are of our age, Timothée Chalamet's 30, but still he hasn't been acting as long as Michael B. Jordan. So what I'm saying is, and even Dakota Fanning, even Elle Fanning as well, but she's younger. Do you? But do you understand the sentiment that I'm saying? I feel sad. I
Oti: get you. I get you. Uh, but it's, it's Michael B. Jordan's time. Like he's bigger now than,
KT: don't say that. Because when he loses to Chalamet. Your, your peer and compadre?
Oti: No, but at least he's getting nominated. Is is one of the most biblical, is it
KT: because you don't expect much from the institution? Is that why?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Okay. You're like the Ben Barnes in
Oti: these, but he'll still get roles. He'll still be called for that. Or when you're thinking about, oh, who are your A-listers right now? When you want to do an action movie or whatever.
KT: Weird. Uh,
Oti: he should be showing up in a lot of people's list.
KT: Jonathan, Jonathan Majors and weird rumors of Michael B. Jordan being weird on set aside.
Oti: What is he back? I know I don't keep up. Let's just go. Yeah.
KT: All of, all of that aside. I feel like he deserves the accolade. And I know you're saying at least, but I'm just saying for myself, that's all.
Oti: Who are the best actor nominees right now Are the Oscars?
KT: We can do another episode. You know what? This is our problem. We haven't recorded in so long,
Oti: so much things to talk about
KT: there. There is so much to talk about, but obviously it is time for the Oscars and Marty Supreme, um, is in the mix. I'm sure Marty Supreme's gonna win a lot.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: as well.
Oti: And we can get to that again.
KT: We'll do, we'll, we'll do a special, um, episode, but wow, you really, you really had to throw Damson Idris's name there. Hey,
Oti: just, just calling.
KT: I thought, what is whispered when we're watching shit too? You don't have to repeat on the mic. Oti, tell us what you think about Teyana Taylor then.
Oti: Hey, eh, you know we're not breaking the fourth wall here. This is a performance art. It's a size.
KT: Yeah. We're breaking the shore pen tent. Okay. Speaking of bones, uh, 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple.
Oti: Beautifully shot with visceral pulse raising moments. The Bone Temple still feels oddly detached, centering characters we never fully connected with. Stylish and gruesome, but emotionally distant. If only three tablets could save the world. I had that. I don't know that if that might come off from the official quote, but I had to slide it in there because that killed me.
KT: Mother
Oti: man, them crashed three tablets and that was like enough.
KT: But why did the world end? If it was that easy,
Oti: all the signs. Bra. Bra anyway or
KT: is it like, um, the South Park Magic Johnson.
Oti: Probably
KT: we just start. Okay.
Oti: Yeah. Alright. Give years
KT: While The Bone Temple is more flamboyant than 28 Years Later. Much like the previous, the sustained intensity dulls emotional tension with a focus on visual and spectacle. If you know me, that's not a compliment.
Oti: I know. I know. And and, and here is where I came. I didn't know Nia DaCosta directed this.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: So finding out that it was Nia DaCosta after the fact, I was like, Hmm. And then I'm like trying to look at some of the work she's done and I can't really connect with
KT: Candyman.
Oti: Yeah. Like this
KT: Marvel.
Oti: She shoots her stuff really, really well.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: And this movie particularly, you could tell. Even with how the audience was reacting to certain scenes, you are like, oh yeah. And you know, people would love that shit.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: But damn man. From the story perspective, I was so let down by this. I was so pumped up. And in fact, when we got the screening invite for this, you weren't sure that I'd want to go
KT: because I remembered we didn't. We didn't like the other one. We loved Jodie Comer, but
Oti: yeah. But. I wanted to see because how it ended, it set it up for such an interesting,
KT: well shout out to Sony for the invite as well.
Oti: Yeah, shout out. And I, I, I just from a story per, I just felt like you went off the rails completely. Like, I'm like sitting there thinking like, why you set this kid up? The whole movie went through some gruesome. Are you spoiling the first movie? Yeah.
KT: Are you spoiling?
Oti: I'm talking about the first movie.
KT: Okay.
Oti: And then, uh. You come here and it's completely different. We going into some your, what's his name? Um, REMIC. Remic. And it's just, I couldn't,
KT: Chris Odo is the Irish man that I don't like his name's. Not Chris O. Jack O'Connell.
Oti: Jack O'Connell. There we go. I just, yeah. I felt the story was all over the place.
KT: Can I, can I say one thing? No, you go, you finish.
Oti: No, no, no, no. Go for it.
KT: Can I say one thing?
Oti: Mm.
KT: Grow up Western audiences to me.
Oti: Oh.
KT: Oh, wow. No one like Timothée Chalamet. You got the arrogance about cha. No, I am just telling Western audiences to grow up. Especially if you like this and you didn't like, um, Bullet Train, like, grow up.
Oti: How? Okay.
KT: If you've never,
Oti: what the parallels.
KT: Oh, there are absolutely parallels because there's a flamboyance to this film that people are really enjoying. And I do mean this in a derogatory way. This is the grownup version of leaving your man with an iPad so you can go shopping or do something else like just to keep sensory busy. It's not gendered, but, well, I heard the laughs in the theater. Um. But it's like, it's just the way, and maybe it is. Maybe you want that, you just want some skull bashing for the next couple of hours, and that's cool, but that is not what a film makes, right? And the reason why I put parallels between this and Bullet Train people didn't jive a Bullet Train. They thought it was too ridiculous. This is very ridiculous as well, right?
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Fucking watch anime because when I was seeing remic. Jack O'Connell with his little misfits. That's Mte.
Oti: It was Kamte
KT: from From Ninja versus Kodo.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: exactly. Grow up like it's Whoa bro, I've never seen this before. 'cause you are fucking Tarantino and you think everything Tarantino is groundbreaking. Go and check out our Reference Degustation. You what? Really annoyed me. We're putting a little asterisk here. JJK, M's. Episode. I knew when we were watching it, people were gonna compare it to Kill Bill and I kept my mouth shut. And then all over Twitter, people were talking about Kill Bill without acknowledging that. Quentin Jerome Tarantino heavily, heavily, heavily, even used the same Japanese band that was in that particular scene. Grow up, grow up. That one white boy that introduces something to you that you thought was the whole world in spice Grow Up. Al Goul, what's his name?
Oti: Wow.
KT: But that's, but that's The Bone Temple to me because. On one hand, friends and lovers, we're gonna get back to Frankenstein. We've got 15, 20 minutes. I love Guillermo. Mm. His films different question. We have two different parallels with Frankenstein and uh, The Bone Temple. Frankenstein. You have Oscar Isaac, Christoph Waltz, Titans in acting and performance and thespianship. Right?
Oti: Mm.
KT: Cardboard coming outta their fucking mouths in Frankenstein. So that's the one side. Now in this film, you've got great performances as well. Jack O'Connell's great. Can't remember who else is in the film at the Oh, Ray, Ralph Fiennes and our big, big Dick Samson. I said to you, I hope we don't see more dicks in this movie. And
Oti: you only need to see one big one.
KT: It had as many as Spartacus. Mm. Um, but it was like, what was the point? What were we working towards? You've got great actors and it's like, yeah. And
Oti: yeah,
KT: and we watch Mad Heidi friends and lovers, like we we're cool with ridiculous nonsense and that was a lot of fun. But there was a point to the story. I don't think there was a point. To The Bone Temple.
Oti: No, you could tell this movie taking itself seriously, trying to build on, you know, building up on this ip, but it just felt sideways. It felt like a fee. It felt like. A Naruto episode 98 filler like, come on.
KT: Ostrich Ninja.
Oti: Yeah. Or just Ostrich Ninja.
KT: But my thing is, if you call Fast and the Furious, apparently it's called, what is it called? The, anyway, the titling for the Fast and Furious. If you call Fast in the Furious formulaic, you need to call 28 Years Later formulaic, like, I'm sure it wasn't the intention all the way back with Cillian Murphy's 28 Days, but this current trilogy is a franchise offering, right? So it's not even a Nia DaCosta thing. I'm pretty sure he's the meal we're serving. You can't even get a different supplier for the ingredients. Just make what's there.
Oti: But the most annoying thing for me was the end of that movie, because I'm like, bra, if you could have gone in there to there quicker. Ah yeah.
KT: I thought the end was great. I can see the light. I'm going home. I don't know, like, and again, you know, people can decide what they enjoy. I enjoy a wholly realized narrative.
Oti: Yeah, yeah.
KT: Anyway, that, that's the world in which we live, I suppose. Speaking about the world in which we live, Night Patrol, thank you to Prodigy
Oti: Night Patrol reaches for big ideas beneath its office. Well, and even in execution. From sound mix to cinematography, it carries enough GR charm to keep you watching.
KT: Correction Katrina one Pier.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Night Patrol effectively uses supernatural elements to further explore real themes, as well as having a sense of humor about the absurd reality the characters exist in. I loved it.
Oti: Tom for sure.
KT: Pull your finger up and grow up. I had not you, but you seem to want to be about you.
Oti: No, I just, this movie, like there's some aspects of this movie from its execution that I was like, bru, it took me out of being engrossed in it.
KT: Mm-hmm.
Oti: Because you notice so many of those. Chip, choppy stuff.
KT: I don't mind. Chip, choppy, scrappy stuff. I love it. Like even when we're watching Evil Dead, like I enjoy, there's a charm to it and I love it. I don't think that was a problem necessarily for me, but you continue my love.
Oti: Don't you need to sit down and watch Kingdom? There's, there's stuff that I allowed the messages,
KT: those bureaucracies. Exactly, exactly
Oti: how it was a fun movie.
KT: Yeah,
Oti: it was a fun movie. Through and through RJ Cyler, man, need to see more of him.
KT: Love RJ Cyler.
Oti: Mm. Uh, YG was in this as well, eh?
KT: YG. Freddie Gibbs. Mm. Flying Lotus. You know, 'cause we just, we just talked about The Bone Temple. Mm. And it felt like franchise. Like this is the, whatever it was, that's what the film was gonna be. This film was like a film that people wanted to make and they made it the way that they wanted to make it. And I mean that in the best way possible. It was fun. It didn't need to be. Mainstream appeal. It didn't need to explain shit because if you got it, if you got it, Letterboxd, clearly they're not getting, they're not understanding it on a level that at least I appreciated this film on. I'm going to bring in, again, One Battle After Another. This film use supernatural elements or use steps from reality, right? One Battle After Another. Soften the fucking blow of the K, K, K 'cause they wanted you to like the quaint. Uh, meandering middle-aged white men. Right. They wanted you, so it was a way to divert from the real shit so you people could enjoy the film without feeling squeamish and uncomfortable.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Night Patrol had supernatural elements to the same vein, but it was to bolster the messaging and the real reality in which we live. Right? There's a conversation about the cops. How the, there is a through line between police now and slave catchers, right? There is a through line between police brutality and the communities that they over police in.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Right. But there's also a very funny scene with Freddie Gibbs and YG. Talking about all of this supernatural law of like, no, no, no, it's not the police. It's these lizard with six foot tongues.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: And it's like, it's, it's evocative of like the Candyman urban legend. It's perhaps a, a, a fun sort of way to explain the depravity. It's a fun sort of way, like it's, it was just a fun take on shit and I really, really thorough a.
Oti: I enjoyed that aspect too. It, it was talking on some heavy shit. It was talking on some, you know, things that need to be said. And this is sort of where people, you'd have two people watching this movie and not come up with that same thing where you get people, but is that
KT: the fault of the film?
Oti: No. You get people watching Sinners and thinking, why is this vampire movie getting all this attention? And then you get a different side of the audience being like, oh damn.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: So I appreciated this movie before it did, but it kept on taking me out, which is it's,
KT: that's just Justin Long Don't be mean.
Oti: Well, Justin Long.
KT: Oh. But he looks mixed to me. I don't know how they accepted him, so Unless he's just full white in the Yeah, he's half Asian. Is he not
Oti: easy?
KT: I'm pretty sure
Oti: that's just random white.
KT: Okay. Well, I get Yeah, but you are, you're a different conversation. Oh
Oti: yeah. Yeah.
KT: Why did you claim you are Stephen Gray and you're not denying it?
Oti: I cannot, man, Jesus.
KT: Oh, wait, no, he's Sicilian. He is not Asian.
Oti: See,
KT: why did I, maybe he played an Asian, maybe he did an Emma Stone, Scarlett Johansson.
Oti: He would never, Justin Long would never
KT: Oh, my bad bro. All right.
Oti: Uh, but if, if you are on the fence about this movie, give it a go. You'll have some good old charcoal.
KT: I really enjoyed it. Like I just wanna quote all of the notes that I took, but it takes away from the film.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: I just, and I love RJ Cyler.
Oti: Mm.
KT: I feel everything.
Oti: Mm.
KT: If you are asking.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: All right.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: But I loved it. I, I thought it was a lot of fun. It's the highest rated of all the things we're talking about today.
Oti: For me, sad that we couldn't get a, a third season of Rap Sh!t, did you see that?
KT: We need to get rap
Oti: shit. Our ja I go a bit higher.
KT: Yeah. I was rooting for him.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Now I'm thinking about P Valley.
Oti: Come on now. People are just messing with us right now. But it's okay.
KT: Diamond Diamonds become gems in that fucking boot. No, but that was such a great show.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Now I'm gonna get mad again.
Oti: The Starz are, whatever's happening there, it's just ruining the momentum The show has,
KT: it's a tech bro. The tech bros are ruining,
Oti: and then when the seasonal finally comes or it doesn't get enough traction, it gets canceled for whatever.
KT: But I feel like Starz. It's not the tech bros, it's, it's them not backing what's popular on the apps.
Oti: Mm-hmm. Mm.
KT: All right. Well, we're going to finish off. This is My Brother's Band. Thank you to Paige and Palace Films, a feel good movie that took the quickest route to get there. Wow. I really be writing them a particular way. Hey, a feel good movie that took the quickest route to get there. Some interesting character dynamics that weren't fully explored.
Oti: Okay, so tell me, 'cause I've not watched this.
KT: It's French.
Oti: It's French.
KT: It's French.
Oti: Alright.
KT: Um, the protagonist is like kind of a ta a man ta, you know how people say like a lady something?
Oti: Oh, uh, yeah,
KT: yeah. I don't know. In
Oti: a, all in a similar way. Or at least like
KT: was a Bradley Cooper that did like a conductor where he was so indulgent about the performance and then
Oti: Netflix. Yeah.
KT: I think maybe just Bradley Cooper and his mom watch that movie. I don't know. Well, we need to watch a conductor movie where unless they're all fucking dickhead and they're all indulgent, I don't know. But, um, My Brother's Band, the protagonist or the main character, he is a very accomplished conductor. Um, he has a, uh, debilitating. Does he, I think it was bone marrow, uh, something to do with bone marrow cancer. Um, and that's also when he found out he was actually adopted. Um, and the younger sister, who was the quote unquote real daughter, said, stop upsetting my mom. 'cause the mom didn't want to talk about the fact that he was adopted, so she got out of it, I guess, and he finds out that he actually has a full-blooded brother out there. Two hours in, not necessarily in the countryside, but definitely not in the big smoke where he's from. Uh. And the first scene that he introduces himself to this brother.
Oti: And this is not spoiler, this is all you can,
KT: it's the, it's the premise of the film.
Oti: Alright.
KT: So if you've read the synopsis or you've watched the trailer. Okay. Um, the, so, so the first way he's introduced to this brother who. He's my second male lead. I talk about second male leads all the time.
Oti: Come on Charles.
KT: He's, he's there. He still lives with his mom. He takes care of his mom. He donates. I'm ignoring you. He donates. Um, and he, he spends time in the kitchens. It's a mining. Town. So he works in the kitchen, but also he gives the quote unquote scraps to the workers that are protesting the conditions.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Um, and then he gets threatened, like, stop doing that. And he's like, fuck you guys. I quit. So he's very, that, he's very salt of the earth. Lovely, beautiful man. So the first way he's introduced to this main guy, he was literally like. You are my brother. Gimme your bone marrow. Literally, I'm not even kidding. And I don't know if this is like, 'cause remember how we watched, um, ah, Sisu.
Oti: Mm.
KT: You know how like Finn, I was like, oh, maybe that's just how the filmmaking is.
Oti: Yeah. Just French sensibilities.
KT: Maybe this is just for, it's not sensible at all. It's very colon ice. It's very colonized. But it was like. Hey, you are my brother. Gimme your bone marrow. It's like, first off, first off, did you even take your shoes off before you got in the house? But I guess maybe that's not a thing for you. You didn't even bring a gift. You don't go to someone's house to empty hand, especially when you're trying to leave with their bone marrow. And I was like, is this a white people? Is this a French people thing? It was so jarring to me. And then obviously whether he felt pressured to, especially by his beautiful adoptive mom. So he ended up giving him the bone marrow, right? And then this main character recovers. He comes back, remember like two hours away from where he lives, comes back, tells the brother he is fully healed. No one asks, by the way, but he came and he's like, he gave him an update saying he's fully healed. And then he said, if you are ever here to see my show come back stage so I can say hello. Mans didn't even offer tickets too far. See, but again. Just like Marty Supreme. Maybe that's cultural shit. I don't know.
Oti: So the mo, the movie is about just this guy and his journey to try and find a brother or,
KT: and it's supposed to be heartfelt, it's supposed to be a feel good.
Oti: Is it, do they get to at least bond and connect in the movie or some sort of No,
KT: because he. Acts like the brother is simple and is dumb and is lesser. Because even when he was in the, like his fancy apartment, his brother was playing something on the vinyl and he identified what song that was. But he always, yeah. Anyway, there, there's a, there's a couple of scenes that denote to how he's like, oh, Paul simpleton you. And then he like offers to come and like, do the orchestra for the mining. He's like, oh yeah, my name is gonna get on the news. It was just really like, I'm rich, let me give you my privilege. That sort of thing. He was signing you ah,
Oti: ah, that movie.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: Quite French.
KT: Fran, bro, just give me your bone marrow. Just like that.
Oti: Uh, wow.
KT: Anyway, um, it was okay.
Oti: Nice, nice.
KT: It was okay. It was a film and I went to watch it.
Oti: Well, nowadays okay. Is a beloved standard to have.
KT: I love that. Yeah.
Oti: A lot of things are not okay.
KT: A lot of things are not okay. Al to be
Oti: okay is
KT: good. Shout us to Kamal. What did Kamal say? Everything is shit, but we're gonna be okay.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Or something like that.
Oti: Exactly that.
KT: Who? That was a chunky boy.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Thank you friends and lovers joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. Um, new thing we're doing at Ref Max, just in general, you wanna recommend any watches?
Oti: Ooh, what have we been doing? Uh,
KT: would you recommend them? I've got two.
Oti: Oh, gimme yours. Standups. Alright.
KT: Kumail Nanjiani.
Oti: Yeah. He had a really good one.
KT: Beautiful. Lovely. Marcello Hernandez.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: Manley go to therapy, but
Oti: he doesn't need to go therapy.
KT: No, but he's really close with his mom, so I think you can only do so much healing. Yeah, in that vicinity. But yeah, those two really great standup specials. Love them.
Oti: Mm. I don't think I'm watching anything stand out right now that I'd be like on a weekly, other than the things that people are probably watching.
KT: No, the Tracy. The Tracy Morgan show.
Oti: Oh, those Apollo. Yeah. Tracy Dinkins or something.
KT: Dinkins with Erika Alexander. Daniel Radcliffe. Jalyn Hall as well. Very good show. Only one episode so far. Sadly.
Oti: The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins.
KT: Shout out to Robert Carlock. 'cause I told you this felt like an episode of 30 Rock. Hard to watch, and it was this Oscar bait movie.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Where he had like a colostomy bag, but he carried around a football.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: yeah. It was literally that. And I was like, it has the beats of 30 Rock. I need to investigate the production a bit more. But Robert Carlock is involved in it. So
Oti: yeah, it, it was very, very, one of the best pilots we've watched in a while.
KT: Tickled me. I loved it. Loved it, loved it, loved it.
Oti: That's good to see Erika Alexander out there.
KT: Yeah, we saw in American Fiction,
Oti: we did.
KT: Jeffrey Wright is great. He makes me feel everything you wanna talk about. Actors that make me feel everything, Highest 2 Lowest. I don't know. He should
Oti: not have been in Highest 2 Lowest, some respect from,
KT: but he brings every time Jeffrey Wright. If you are on a project, it's, it's an honor to work with Jeffrey Wright. But if you're on a project with Jeffrey Wright, just know that you are always second fiddle.
Oti: Yeah, he is
KT: not, the sun does not shine on you.
Oti: He's not on the level to do a movie like Highest 2 Lowest yet.
KT: But that would, that would suggest that the level is high to get to Highest 2 Lowest.
Oti: No,
KT: you are saying De Niro.
Oti: No, the, the, the level of Highest 2 Lowest is now like your retirement. Just De
KT: Niro.
Oti: Let's just, yeah. So Patrick Stewart, if you see Patrick Stewart doing something, you're like, ba,
KT: I feel like De Niro doesn't move. But you always have to mention Patrick Stewart. What did that man do to you?
Oti: Oh.
KT: Or do you think Patrick Stewart and Tim Timothée Chalamet are the same age?
Oti: Maybe Jerry is getting overlooked.
KT: His type will come. We're enjoying Wonder Man as well.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: yeah,
Oti: yeah.
KT: Dingdong.
Oti: Yeah. That was hilarious. Josh Gad. Hey,
KT: who knew?
Oti: Who knew?
KT: All right.
Oti: Yeah. That's what we are watching,
KT: uh, Twitter, Instagram, Bluesky. @ForYourRefPod,
Oti: write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com.
KT: We're also on Yeah. Give us your Oscar predictions.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Um, podcast if you like to leave a rating and,
Oti: and look at our website. It's a new, it's got a,
KT: yeah. So.
Oti: It's got a glow up, you
KT: know? Yes.
Oti: It's got here it's, it's fade on, you know, it's looking cute.
KT: The beard connects.
Oti: Yeah,
KT: I read my black romances. I understand.
Oti: Oh wow. It's got that. Was it the Chestnut or are we going for Ma Hogan music?
KT: Caramel.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Gotta say it. Um, but yeah, and we've got some lovely things coming for Patreons for this award season. And it'll be fun to just get around and just play with you guys a bit more
KT: and I wanna play with you a lot more. Is that okay?
Oti: For sure,
KT: daddy time.
Oti: For sure.
KT: Thank you for your work, Oti. Love ya.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: And the rest of you guys are okay. Wow.
Oti: See ya. Bye.
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