John Wick – Winston a strong KING!

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0:01KT: Welcome. Welcome to For Your Reference. You're listening to Your Phrase or Mine.

0:09Oti: And goddamn it, I want to win this week.

0:09KT: You say that all the time, but I think you've been winning all along.

0:16KT: You're such an old sage. You you managed to get it, but Russian proverbs seem to stump you. So I've got a doozy for you.

0:16Oti: Alright. Go for it.

0:16KT: Are you ready? To carry fire in one hand and water in the other.

0:32Oti: To neither to not be able to decide what to do, to be conflicted.

0:39KT: No.

0:40KT: That is incorrect.

0:40Oti: What what does it mean?

0:43KT: It essentially means your words are different to your actions.

0:49Oti: I was close enough.

0:51KT: If we were as well to part. Yeah. So let's get on with the show, guys. Hey, friends and lovers. Welcome back to For Your Reference. It's been a while. We missed you. Now we have. You got your host, KT. And Oti. Hope you've been well. And, boy, do we have a treat for you today. We will be covering the so far three film series, Jonathan Wickensden, otherwise known as

1:40Oti: John Wick.

1:42KT: And I think this is the record for the earliest spoiler alerts that we give for this episode. Come back. You'll have just as much fun after you watch Parabellum. But if you haven't watched the third movie, go and check out our episodes, and then come back once you've watched Parabellum. So now that our other friends have disappeared for a second, the third movie kind of left us on a cliffy. Mhmm. A delicious cliffy. And the reason why I preface that is because, potentially, and even with the director, there was talks of potentially a fourth

2:18KT: movie. So, you know, you we've been around for quite a few episodes, so you know how this runs. Let's go through some stats. The first movie came out in 2014 titled simply John Wick. And all of these stats are from IMDb, so feel free to take it up with their department and not ours. The budget is $20,000,000 for the first movie. Pretty good. It's it's pretty amazing how much you can achieve Yeah. With 20 mil. In the opening weekend, domestically in America, it had $14,400,000, and it grossed domestically domestically for America 43,000,000.

3:05KT: So bad. Yeah. Directed by Chad Stahelski. Feel free to fight me in our mentions because I'm pretty sure I didn't say that correctly. And then written by Derek Kolstad. So that's John Wick, 2014. I guess even when you think looking back on it, it didn't really smash box office in a in a momentous sort of way. And I guess that's how, you know, people would classify it as a cult classic because the people that got this movie felt it to the fiber of their core.

3:39Oti: Yeah. And it came after Keanu had done some has taken some time to do some independent movies and passion projects, and then bam, he gave us John Wick. And I remember watching this alone. I think we were apart from that at at at that time, and it was just oh my god. I think I watched it through my laptop as well, so I I I think I loved it. And then the second time when I watched it on actual big ass TV, I fell in love with it all over again.

4:08KT: Yeah. Definitely. And it's it just it just feels so bespoke. It feels made for the genre, and it doesn't feel as though it was made because it needed to compete with what was out there.

4:22Oti: Exactly. And it's it's it has no source material. Like, it there are no books. He just came, wrote up an action movie, and delivered John Wick, you know, some great fighting scenes, some great cinematography, just amazing.

4:40KT: Amazing. So you've got that first movie of John Wick that came out in 2014, and then we see the sequel titled chapter two, John Wick chapter two, coming out in 2017. So the budget was upped to 40,000,000, where you could definitely see where that went. But then you've also seen movies with bigger budgets, arguably, that did a lot less Yeah. With more.

5:07Oti: John Carter, anyone?

5:09KT: John Carter, no one. I think that's that's a that's a offer that will be open until the end of time. Opening for the 2017 chapter two movie domestically in The US made 30,400,000. Mhmm. So that's double of what John Wick one Yeah. Got. And domestically, gross for twenty seventeen chapter two movie, 92,000,000.

5:37Oti: Oh, brilliant. Yeah. And what well deserved.

5:41KT: Yeah. So I guess when people had time to take their hands out of their pants and go to the cinema, they pretty much upped the box office sales for John Wick. And then here we are. What a great time to be alive, guys. 2019. We have John Wick three Parabellum coming out, and it just came out on the May 17. So it is quite hot off the press.

5:41Oti: It did. And you and you know what I thought about 2019?

6:09Oti: I thought Avengers Endgame would be the crescendo of highlights for movies. And then what we've just experienced a few minutes ago, I was at the edge of my seat the whole time.

6:24KT: Oh, yeah. Totally. Oh my god. Like, I I feel like I don't need to wear panties anymore because just dripping. I splooshed so much. Like, my nonexistent dick was throbbing the whole time. Oh my god. Yeah. Like, wow. Even even the dialogue got me hard. I just we don't we're we're still processing, as you can tell. So as we continue to process, let me go through the rest of the stats that we have. The budget for Parabellum was $55,000,000. I'm pretty sure your girl, Halle Berry, took most of that.

6:59Oti: No, man. She gave it all back. She did. She yeah. She gave more than we deserve. Oh, definitely. Definitely.

7:06KT: And because it is quite fresh off the box office, I couldn't really see anything on IMDb about the opening weekend because, I guess, in America, the weekend is still happening. But according to Box Office Mojo, it's grossed as of the March 17 $22,000,000. Oh. And that's just from one or two days of it being out.

7:31Oti: Oh, that's good. Yeah. I'm positive it'll get more. It'll it'll smash that quite easily.

7:38KT: Just everything. Everything that you would ever want. Let me just quickly try and graze over the cast that we have throughout the three movies because I think it is quite important just so we can have flex of it and be able to, you know, hearken back on the cast as a producer. Thank you. Thank you. We're we're a courteous bunch on this podcast, and we're super PC. Just don't listen to our other shit. So in the first John Wick movie, obviously, we have our our reigning king, Keanu Reeves, playing John Wick.

8:17KT: I I will say this, but let's let's not diverge. Let's let's come back to this comment. But, you know, once in a lifetime is a lot for an actor or an actress to have an iconic role. And for Keanu Reeves to have Neo in the Matrix series

8:36KT: and for him to continue on in what I would say is one of his more iconic roles and one of his better roles. Okay. We will fight, sir. I will meet you in the parking lot, and we will fight. Don't you worry. I've got my I've got my jousting stick ready. It's been throbbing for a while. But you know what I mean? Like, you have you have one hit wonders, so to speak, and they only get that one sort of gravitas and grandiose sort of role. And then they kind of just,

9:07KT: you know, meander through the rest of their career. So the fact that we have been blessed with Keanu Reeves' existence in general, and I guess we we don't we don't have time to talk about that now, but hopefully later on the episode, Iconic. Iconic. So I I just wanna shout out the fact that we, as the human race, are so lucky to have Keanu Reeves, and he hasn't ascended to, you know, the higher level of being than Earth. So we really much appreciate that. So you have Keanu Reeves as John Wick, Ian McShane

9:40KT: as Winston.

9:42Oti: Oh, we loved it. We loved Ian

9:44KT: face for cinema.

9:46Oti: Yeah.

9:47KT: I thought he does. You wouldn't really want to be at the grocery store ordering your organic bananas and seeing Ian McShane there, would you? No. But

9:56Oti: I I really loved him in Deadwood. Like, his performance in Deadwood was above none. And the fact that Deadwood is being done is just a blessing.

10:06KT: That's a that's a good point because in my viewership, I haven't come across Deadwood yet. So they're they're remaking, or is it is it picking up off the

10:06Oti: I think it's picking up off.

10:06KT: Okay. Cool. So closer to the date, expect an episode about that. And he's also in American Gods as well. Yes. I think he can quite easily play the villain and the hero.

10:32KT: Even though even if he was a hero, he's got a bit of a darker side, which you do see in John Wick as well. But I I just love his face. I just I appreciate it, and I'm glad and his face for the budget alone. Right? So I have Ian McShane essentially through all three movies. Right? Mhmm. And he's at the Continental. He's the manager of the Continental in New York. We've also got your best friend, Lance Reddick.

10:58Oti: Put the weapon down.

11:06KT: I think as, you know, yourself as an as a African slash Kenyan man and as a appreciator of generic African accents and an appreciator of Kenyan men, We were the only two people that laughed in the cinema. I just if you haven't listened to our Black Panther episode, we spend about fifteen minutes talking about Forest Whitaker and how you should never rely on him for nuances and being able to enunciate words. I think Lance Reddick is definitely a runner-up. Yeah. For sure. What was he doing? It looks so cumbersome.

11:51Oti: Like, it's it looks so forced, and you could tell that he's not comfortable in in in doing well, not it doesn't affect his acting, of course. Yeah. But it just feels a bit labored and doesn't take anything away from from from the movie.

12:05KT: It was it did. I I would argue that it did. It got very distracting. It added a comedic effect for you. I don't think it was supposed to be funny. Teach all that. They will take away the We can't no. It wasn't. It wasn't supposed to be funny, and we were the only ones that laughed. No. No. There were times Put your weapon down.

12:36Oti: There were times his accent was stronger there were times his accent was stronger than other bits. And when it was stronger, it felt really, really wrong and quite I don't know.

12:48KT: Let me find out that his character, which according to IMDb trivia, it wasn't until the second or third movie that we got to know his name, which is Charon. Let me find out that Lance Reddick just created that accent just so he could get more attention on the screen.

13:05Oti: But we do love Lance Reddick. He was born in Baltimore.

13:08KT: He was born in Baltimore, so I don't know where he got that accent from. I have no idea. But we're not coming for Lance Reddick. We do love a strong Daniels from The Wire in our household. So let's just leave it there. But, yeah, he got very distracting very quickly. And then we have, oh my, John Leguizamo. I do apologize if you're listening to this. Playing Aurelio. I can say that one. So two points to me. Who he's he's quite he's quite a good friend to have.

13:43KT: You know, he he recognized that was John Wick's car in the first movie, and he pretty much pulled up Theon Greyjoy, which we'll come to in a second. The next in the actually, let's just talk about Theo Mawahi. Alfie Allen, who you didn't even realize is the brother to Lily Allen. Yeah. Lily Allen even has a song about him, so there you go, who plays Iosef Tarasov. He has a terrible face. And I I apologize to your mother or your father, wherever you got your face from, but, man, he

14:18KT: just does not have a face you wanna love. Jesus Christ. But we'll we'll we'll

14:23Oti: sleazy guy. Like, he he he fits the role he plays. He fit how Theon was. Theon was quite sleazy until he found

14:23KT: We've done Game of Thrones.

14:23Oti: And then now he's a mobster's son, and it just fits him. It's like a glove. You know? Just someone that's not well adjusted, essentially.

14:45KT: And then we have Helen, the face that launched a thousand headshots, played by Bridget Moynahan. She's she's essentially the catalyst of this movie. And we keep going into detail, but let's just keep going through the cast. But I do wanna talk about missus Wick and how she was a catalyst. But, essentially, in a snapshot, that is the main cast for the first John Wick movie. Right? So let's move on to chapter two.

15:21KT: And can I don't know? Like, maybe you don't know whether your second movie is gonna be picked up or not, but it bother it bothers me that it's John Wick, then chapter two, then Parabellum. Can we all calm down?

15:32Oti: Well, what would you have it as? One, two, three.

15:37KT: Get an attitude, mate. Get on this dick. That's what you can do. Alright. So let's talk about the cast in chapter two. So we've got our king, Keanu Reeves. We've got Ian McShane as Winston, and then we have a Matrix reunion. So not only do we have Woah. Yeah. Yeah. Director Chad, who was also the stuntman for Keanu Reeves in The Matrix, we've now have the culmination of The Matrix reuniting with Laurence Fishburne.

16:10Oti: Yes.

16:11KT: And he's the Bowery King. Mhmm.

16:14Oti: And and how they were referencing it. They're talking about how they met, and it was so reminiscent of The Matrix. And I was just splooshing.

16:23KT: You were on the floor splooshing. I had to I had to clean the walls and everything. It was a catastrophe. Yeah. But there there was so much subtext, and it it did feed to all of the fanboys and, you know, perhaps fangirls of the world that really resonated with that, that just waited, you know, to revive the Matrix series or at least the characters. Beautiful.

16:49Oti: Yeah. Beautiful.

16:52KT: And the opposite of beautiful that we'll mention is Ruby Rose, who plays Ares. I don't wanna talk I don't want her to stay in the rest of this episode, So let's just get all of our Ruby Rose commentary out now so we can have a good time for the rest of the episode.

17:16Oti: She didn't do much for me. I don't know. I've seen it in a few things, and I don't really I've not really resonated with her or didn't pay too much attention to it. And when she died quite quickly, yeah, I was happy even though it was towards the end of the movie.

17:33KT: I just I don't get the appeal with Ruby Rose. And, you know, normally, I I am quite supportive of my Australian brothers and sisters. But even when okay. I I'm gonna sound like super hipster, but I just wanna say that my nonaffection towards Ruby Rose started before she even made it to American shores. She was on MTV Australia, and I really didn't understand what the big whoop with a capital w h

18:03KT: was about her. I just really didn't understand why she was a thing.

18:03Oti: Is this what the Australians called the toiling poppy pop or something? What was it? I think that's the Kenyan I think that's the Kenyan reference. What what do they call it?

18:03KT: Tall poppy syndrome, which I I I think there are there are phrases all around the world, even in America. And, you know, Oti has revealed the Kenyan phrase, the tall poppy pop, which you know, let let's let's walk down some Australian history lane, shall we? Tall poppy syndrome essentially denotes to,

18:41KT: you know, the the phenomenon of, you know, trying to keep people humble is the nicest way to say it. So, essentially, you know, when people get bit too big for their britches, you pretty much put them in their place. So you're cutting off that poppy.

18:58Oti: Oh, interesting.

18:59KT: Yeah. So, you know, I think I think she's had enough time on our podcast. Just just know that we don't care for her. And if you ardently love yourself a Ruby Rose, then you're more than welcome. We can still be friends, but not in mine household. We we will not discuss it in mine household. More than welcome for you to talk about it, but not in mine household. So let's move on. Lance Reddick Reddick, who we've already talked about, he's also in chapter two. And another old friend

19:34KT: that pops up in chapter two is Common.

19:37Oti: Yeah. So he's the bodyguard for Cassian.

19:42KT: Yep. Yeah. So he his name is Cassian, and he plays the bodyguard for the sister of the D'Antonio family.

19:55Oti: Was it Sofia D'Antonio?

19:55KT: It was Gianna. Gianna D'Antonio. So

20:01KT: that's the second chapter two, and let's head to where we just were a few minutes ago into chapter three. So, obviously, I don't even need to mention Keanu Reeves. We have Laurence Fishburne reappearing, Ian McShane, Lance Reddick, And we also have your lady love, Halle Berry. Halle. Or hallelujah. Mhmm.

20:30Oti: Tell them how it is.

20:32KT: I think you can do it for me. I can just sit back and sip this wine now.

20:38Oti: So she has an amazing role in this, and I feel like if they were to make chapter four, she would make a reappearance just because of how amazing she was in this, and her story is not yet done. She introduced two dogs into the show, and the action sequence that followed that was just mind blowing.

21:02KT: Let let's let's leave the action scenes because that's a very tasty morsel, so we'll come back to that.

21:02Oti: I'm getting carried away. It's Halle Berry. I can be excused.

21:02KT: I can see that you're getting carried away, and it's carrying me away. We also have Anjelica Huston. She has such an immense presence on screen. Just I feel like it's it's such an enigmatic sort of quality. You don't you can't teach that. Yeah. She commands respect. Yeah. Tobias Funke cannot teach you that. You you just you either have it or you don't. Yeah. We also have

21:42KT: Jason Mantzoukas, who's the Tick-Tock Man. He plays the homeless man. He's part of Laurence Fishburne's crew. Mhmm. We've seen him in a few things. I don't think anything too serious, so it was nice that he got his day in the sun. We also have Asia Kate Dillon

22:03Oti: Oh, we love Asia Kate.

22:05KT: Who plays the well, her credit just says the Adjudicator.

22:08Oti: Yeah. That's all the reference is.

22:12KT: What do you think her I'm saying her. What do you think Asia's pronoun is? Do you think it's still she? No. I don't think it's she. Because we know Asia is nonbinary, so we do apologize to any nonbinary listeners because we are still learning in this progressive world. Yeah. It'll be interesting to know what Asia's pronoun is, but please forgive us as we continue in this episode if we're using the wrong pronoun. And then we also have quite a few other actors. We have Jerome Flynn who plays Bronn in Game of Thrones.

22:49Oti: Yeah.

22:50KT: He's just sleazy ass. He got a glow up. He got a glow up. He got some blonde highlights.

22:55Oti: He's always blonde.

22:57KT: No. He had brown hair in Game of Thrones.

22:57Oti: Well, in real life.

22:57KT: You sit around and have a pint with him?

22:57Oti: Yeah.

22:57KT: Okay. Good on you. We also have and and they don't have any character names in this search, this generic Google search that I did, so I do apologize. And I do apologize for my pronunciations. We have Hiroyuki Sanada. We also have Said Taghmaoui, and then also Tobias Segal. I also forgot to mention that in the first John Wick, we have Dean Winters, who I fucking love. Mhmm.

23:34KT: Like, I I don't I I I don't know. I feel like I would sacrifice random strangers that I don't know just to meet and have a drink with Dean Winters.

23:34Oti: Think he's he's one of the reasons you you stuck through Oz.

23:34KT: No. I enjoyed Oz.

23:49Oti: Well, the the last two seasons of Oz

23:53KT: my quest of balancing two seasons of Oz. For my quest of balancing the titty to dick ratio, Oz filled me in every way that no other show or movie could. But, wow, I just let's jump into Parabellum. But before we do that, did no one question why Dean Winters was hanging around with a bunch of the Russian mafia? I don't. He's just a skeezy guy. I do stan me a strong Dean Winters, but it was made quite clear that he wasn't trying to play more himself off as Russian, and no one would have believed that anyway.

24:33KT: And I was glad to see him. It was just a it was a big question. It was just distracting me. I'm like, how did this even connect? How did you guys even come together in the first place? Well, let's dive into it. John Wick, Parabellum, 2019, motherfuckers. Let's start off. How do you feel? General impressions? Let's go.

24:53Oti: Like I told you, this is the highlight of tretinitude for me.

24:53KT: Has your dick recovered?

24:53Oti: Not yet. I thought I'd seen it all with Avengers Endgame. You weren't a big fan of it, and it ticked a lot of boxes for me because I end not endured. I watched a lot of movies in the Avengers, in the Marvel universe. So I was really invested in it. And for John Wick to just how how many years has it been since John Wick three came out after before two?

25:33KT: Two year gap. Two year gap. But that was a shorter gap than the first movie. The first movie was three years.

25:40Oti: And what what the directors managed to all the creators managed to weave together with no source material. So all this is just, you know, true form. It's amazing. I am impressed. I was not bored at all in that movie. It was enthralling. It's just end to end action, beautifully done sequences. It stands so amazing. Amazing. The brutality, the I at one point, while they're fighting in the the was it in the library?

26:17KT: I think I think It the I think it was the NBA player, the really tall guy.

26:17Oti: Oh my god. Yeah. And he was

26:24Oti: crushing his his neck on the book. I was like, oh my god. My heart my heart palpitated a little bit faster. And it's just amazing what he's done. And to be able to to to keep you hooked on a movie that's more so action than anything else Yeah. Is a brilliant work. And kudos to you. We hope you've gone stronger from here even after John Wick has concluded, like, just amazing. I'm so keen to see what else it can do.

26:51KT: The interesting thing in IMDb trivia, and I've been looking across all three movies, so I apologize if it's the wrong one. I'm pretty sure it's Parabellum IMDb trivia. There's a little section in there talking about Keanu Reeves saying he doesn't want the sequels to squander the franchise as a whole. So, you know, he thinks that it might conclude with the third movie. However, with recent interviews with Chad, he's saying that, you know, we've left on a

27:26KT: tasty cliffy, and we're going to pick up off on that.

27:27Oti: There's definitely have there has to be a fourth one.

27:27KT: A fourth one that a fourth one, but let's If they want to conclude things. Make sure

27:36KT: that the integrity of this series is most important. And if four needs to be the end, let's end it. Let's let's not milk it for all it's worth.

27:47Oti: Milk it or not, a fourth one is necessary. I will I will not start a petition. I'm not as petty as some Game of Thrones fans.

27:56KT: Let me find out you were the one that started the Game of Thrones petition. No. I'm the last no. I know this is called For Your Reference, but that is the last Game of Thrones reference you will bring into this household. At least for this episode.

27:56Oti: Alls I'm saying is

27:56KT: Let's focus on John Wick because there's three movies worth that we need to get through.

28:16Oti: All I'm saying is he's done an amazing job. Like Amazing. I was not capable. You know, when I was watching sorry. I'm I'm going back to Avengers because it's it's it was loaded up as one of the biggest movies And this for me, it has to be John Wick as the most exciting thing to have happened in 2019. It was edge to edge, no minute that I was bored or distracted, fully focused on the entire two hour two hours and ten minutes, I think. Yeah. And that's just breathtaking. And to manage to also tell a story coherently, nicely,

28:59Oti: with all the action sequence around it is amazing because a lot of times we get action movies where the story suffers. The story In lieu of the action. Yeah. But the story does not suffer. And we get to learn more about John Wick and about this exciting assassination world and and how it all operates. But you know what I appreciated

29:19Oti: as well is you have this secret society. You have the Continental that is being governed under the table. Well, they operate under the table, and then you have the high table, so to speak. Right? So you have this whole secret society, but that is that serves essentially as a backdrop to the narrative of John Wick. Yeah. It it and it continues to center around John Wick because that's what we're there for, and that's what we're invested with.

29:53KT: Before I give my sort of initial impressions, there is something that you said that I do wanna pick up off on. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about iconic sort of action movies because I'm not necessarily an action buff, and I can't remember which episode we talked about it. But I did, you know, I did sort of touch upon that it doesn't valar my ghoulies. There you go. There's your Game of Thrones reference. That'll be the last one.

30:19KT: It it it doesn't get me going. It doesn't float my boat to see big explosions and the hero walking away from the fire. That really doesn't get me, you know, when I'm trying to enjoy or digest a movie or a TV show. Right? I'm more about cohesive narrative and hitting me in the feels and, you know, realism. Or if it's fantasy, take me completely away. But when it comes to action movies, that really isn't my world. Right?

30:51KT: So I would love to hear from you because, you know, I feel like you've dabbled and you've dipped your toe in quite a lot of action sort of franchises. So let's let's touch upon it just quickly because, obviously, we need to get through these three movies. We've got Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible. We've got Matt Damon with Bourne Identity. Mhmm. We've got only because only because I think this will be funny, Taylor Lautner.

31:23KT: I don't remember what his action series was, but, you know, he thought that he was better than he was. So you've got him as well. But and then you've also got Jason Statham, who we fucking love. We've got him in his he's a Transporter. Yep. And then we've also got Liam Neeson. So I I guess it depends on where you sit in the cancel culture of Liam Neeson. You've also got him in Taken. So where where do you think John Wick stacks up, or where do you think it positions itself

31:53KT: in the world of or and even James Bond as well. Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, all the other British men that isn't Idris Elba, which we will fight. We don't have time today. But if you tell me Idris can't be anything he wants to be, I will take my earrings off, and I will meet you at the car park.

31:53Oti: Well, Trevor Noah said it perfectly.

32:15Oti: He can't be a spy. I said, the main reason why a spy is a spy is to be what?

32:22KT: A fly on the wall to blend in? Yeah. To blend in. Okay. And then oh oh. So what you're saying is Idris Elba is too handsome, and that's why he stands out. Yeah.

32:34Oti: His charm makes him stand out. Unless they're moving the James Bond franchise to Africa, that mate, I don't see a chance. Woah. Woah, man. Imagine him walking into the hotel and being like, I like a shake and not stirred. Oh, hey. Just Bond. I know that. You know? I know you like his jacket. You've been here before, mate. Not the Smurch.

32:59KT: My beautiful, lovely, strong. Idris Elba in this household must protect.

33:06Oti: All I'm saying is, man. Environment is key and everything. It's not a matter of race in this now. Anyway, moving on. Wow.

33:18KT: I think you're just imagining Halle Berry in her bikini. That's why. Well,

33:24Oti: you've given me quite a few of franchises that have been are big and have a cult following. You know, I cannot compare and contrast. All I can say is John Wick is one of the better action movies that I've watched.

33:43KT: I would say so as well.

33:46Oti: James Bond has some gems in there, you know, Goldfinger. It's given us a lot and I cannot fault it. John Wick has done what? This is the third movie. James Bond has done how many? Yeah. So I cannot compare those. It won't be right.

34:05KT: But I I do think it's important to just, you know, paint a picture because I would say that John Wick is one of the most enticing action sort of series that I've seen for a while, but I also wanted to just rope Oti in because you've watched way more. So you have way more context of this landscape. And I was saying, like,

34:26Oti: also Kingsman. There's heaps of action movies about Kingsman. I know. And you have movies like Expendables where it gathered all the heroes we grew up watching and loving, and we watched it just because it had them, you know? Yeah. The storyline was crap, but it wasn't about the storyline. You're not going there to see what Rambo is really. I think it was to relive. It was that nostalgic wave. Exactly. You went to watch Expendables because

34:52Oti: we watched them growing up. We idolized them growing up. And for all of them to be to share a screen, bloody hell. I enjoyed seeing Jet

34:58KT: Did he not join to the second movie, though?

34:58Oti: No. He was in the second movie.

34:58KT: No. I'm saying he wasn't in the first one, I think. I don't know. I like Jet Li. I do stan we stan a strong Jet Li in this household. Yep. Let's go back to Parabellum. Let's talk about the action scenes because we've talked a lot about explosions and fighting. What would you say was your favorite action centered scene inside of John Wick three Parabellum coming out in 2019?

35:32Oti: Oh, there's quite a few. There is quite a few. My first action scene that that just got me splooshing was him riding a horse down

35:46KT: down New York. It was like Old Town Country Road. Yeah. Just

35:51Oti: oh my god. How amazing is that?

35:54KT: Just so good. And you can just imagine how much fun he would have had coordinating the stunts as well with Chad.

35:59Oti: You know what I was picturing there when he was ducking on the horse and shoot and and shooting. Yeah. I was picturing myself playing Red Dead. I was like, oh my god. Is Red Dead being oh, it was just amazing.

36:13KT: Yeah. It's it's great. And it's a I think it was a nice sort of spin that you have to action sequences because, again, I am not really a purveyor in action sort of movies, but I feel like horses aren't really the norm. They're not really the go to in action movies unless you're in a specific western or a period sort of piece.

36:33Oti: Yeah. So to in incorporate horses in this, and John Wick would would would would prompt the horse to kick, you know, and and it would kick the enemies.

36:45KT: That's amazing. That's The way he, like, got a, like, a jerk reaction?

36:49Oti: Yeah. Like, it's I don't think I've seen it even in westerns where horses are the main staple. You know? Like, I've not seen it at all.

36:55KT: Yeah. And I think I was a bit on edge worrying about whether the horses will get injured. But I feel like in this sort of franchise, animals will be protected. So I'm I'm quite safe in that regard. And that action sequence was quite iconic. Definitely. And the way he was galloping down the New York streets on his horse and the way he used the horse as a shield to be able to continue the combat and to continue the momentum of the movie was exemplary,

37:30KT: and it was on par. One of my favorite action sequences was the knife sequence.

37:35Oti: Oh, how how how brutal was that? I had my hands over my head like

37:42KT: I had my hands somewhere else.

37:44Oti: I could not just believe it. Like, I was Wow. You know, it's one thing just seeing someone being shot. Knives is quite different. Oh, yes. It's different well skill set. Oh, yeah. And and with every stab, with every knife throw, you're invested. You're like, oh, wow. And when it lands

38:12KT: Were they in, a museum? Why were they all in glass cases? Yeah. I think so. So here's one of my gripes. And, you know, I can love things and also accept it for its flaws, i.e., I love you, Oti.

38:27Oti: No flaws here whatsoever.

38:31KT: Hence, one of the flaws. But in the our fund our foundations are crumbling. Come and save us. But in that sequence, not just John Wick, but also the guys that were fighting him were punching the cabinets. Where were his, like, blood? Where was the blood on his knuckles and his fists when he was punching into these cabinets to get these knives. There was nothing.

39:00Oti: There's a technique you can use to break glass without getting yourself injured.

39:04KT: Okay. Do you wanna give us some sound effects?

39:08Oti: So you know how you put your jabs on, you know, like crawling into a jab? Yep. Okay. Without punching it like you're punching someone's face. There's a technique in which you can use I'm just talking out of my ass. I don't know what. But probably there is some explanation for that.

39:27KT: Just fisting the ass. But wow. Wow. That scene alone, like, when they threw that dagger at Keanu's groin, I'm like, save the livelihood of the future. What are you doing? Where are you going? Because, you know, I they probably aren't super razor sharp knives, but at the end of the day, they're still, like, knife like. Right? And to go anywhere near the crown jewels of the world, i.e., Keanu Reeves' nether regions, wow. Wow. It really built the momentum of the movie. One of the best action films that we had. Another pivotal

40:12KT: action scene that we encountered in Parabellum. Dallas. Dallas. The underwater pool scene. Can we talk, motherfucker? Can we talk?

40:26Oti: Yeah. That was good. I don't I don't think it was iconic.

40:29KT: I do think it's iconic, and I feel like and, you know, Chad can fight me as much as he wants to, but I feel like that was the closest homage that you will ever get to The Matrix in the John Wick universe. Because when he when they were shooting the bullets and you saw the bullet rifle through the water, that is the closest you will ever get to The Matrix, my friend.

40:29Oti: True. True. I didn't think of it like that.

40:29KT: And that's what I'm here for, the brains and the beauty.

41:03KT: Oh, what what what's that you said? Yeah. We we've both got faces for podcasts.

41:12Oti: But, yeah, I think another scene that I really enjoyed in this was I think I've I've touched on this a bit, was Halle Berry's character.

41:23KT: Sofia.

41:24Oti: And they were fighting with John. And, oh my god, how amazing was that?

41:32KT: It was amazing. And how they use the dogs as But can can we just say because I I don't understand you, but I love you just the same. There is a population in the world that just don't love dogs with all of their being, and we don't understand that. Right? Our executive producers are rescue greyhound, and he does shit all, but we still fucking love him. Right? There are people that just aren't dog people. Right? And, again, we we love you, but we just don't really get what your vibe is. But when Halle Berry

42:08KT: went on a bloody path of rampage because Bronn shot her dog, I was there. I was so there for it. I'm like, you better burn this place to the fucking ground. He he fucking shoot shot your dog. Yeah.

42:08Oti: But not before you cried.

42:08KT: Oh, I did. I did. And I I appreciate dog clothing so much. So I was I was well aware of the fact that her dog was wearing a vest, but it didn't stop my tears. You couldn't stop my tears. And wow.

42:45KT: Wow. I I was already tearing up. And then when she started fighting with her dogs, that really got me. It just goes to show you that John Wick's dog was fucking useless. I fucking loved his dog. I think they're still playing Do you? No. Just John John Wick's dog was living it up, living his best life in the Continental, probably getting, like, spa treatments and robes and all

43:03Oti: clearly see he's trained his dog to follow commands. So I think by the fourth chapter we've ever gotten with our dog. By the fourth movie, the dog should have some sort of combat training at least now that he's hooked up with Laurence Fishburne, and they would be going after the high table.

43:26KT: Oh, wow. How good of a setup was that?

43:30Oti: And for them to even think that they can stop it here? Posterous.

43:35KT: Come on now. I think yeah. Yeah. There's there's definitely no way, but we are a culture that continues to, you know, demand so much from creators, and we don't want things to end. And we even then, even while it's continuing, we wanted to follow a certain narrative that we're prescribing. Right? And I don't want that to taint John Wick because one of the things that I love about John Wick I know we are called For Your Reference, and we do love a pop culture reference, But I love that John Wick really stands on its own.

44:16KT: And the best way that I can explain it is it really is bespoke. It stands on its own. It doesn't rely upon pop culture references. The only semblances of, you know, Giffable quotes that you have is Laurence Fishburne. Every line he said were quotable quotes. What I love about John Wick is you have a solid narrative. You have a man that that loved a woman so much that he pretty much retired from his life of being a hitman and being an amazing assassin. Baba Yaga.

45:02Oti: Baba Yaga.

45:03KT: Baba Yaga is what I said. Look at you trying to edit me saying the wrong thing. But you have this man that leaves his past life behind to start a new future with a woman that he loves so much to his core to be that new man. And she is dying. And then, unfortunately, she passes away, but not without leaving her man with a plan. Beautiful. That in itself, no other rom com can compete with that.

45:43KT: And I am a lover of rom coms, but Oti isn't. So you're probably not gonna hear it in this podcast, unfortunately. But, wow, you have John Wick and his love, his wife. Right? And she plans, and she knows this is going to be a hard time. Death isn't easy for anyone. Right? So she leaves Daisy a beagle to keep him company and help him get through this grieving process, which is so necessary, but definitely not an easy thing to do. And what happens to Daisy

46:25Oti: Daisy in the first gets killed.

46:30KT: I was not ready for that, can I just say? I felt a lot. Everyone has experienced what it is to lose a loved one. And in addition to how much we love dogs in our household, that really got me. Right? And I really appreciated that the first movie, it was such a core narrative of John Wick and what made him what he was. Because, really, you know, people say it's in his blood, and he was born to do this, the Baba Yaga. Yaga. Get over it. I will fight you in these streets. Anyway,

47:22KT: so you you you have this legend of not the boogeyman, but the man that comes to kill the boogeyman. Right? Mhmm. But he left that all behind to be with this woman. Right? Mhmm. And it all just gets taken away from him. And to a lesser extent, even his car, his wife, his puppy, his car, all just goes away in the blink of an eye. He barely got a day with Daisy, and it just dis disintegrates, essentially. And then we move into the second movie.

48:00Oti: And that's where I have a qualm with.

48:03KT: I've got all the qualms. You wanna start?

48:06Oti: Well, I get the first movie. I get the theme of revenge for the first movie. Well, the If you wanna stop there, Well, you've just underlying theme for the John Wick is vengeance. Right? Yes. And I get that. But once you've killed the people responsible for killing your dog, I think that's the end. Yes. And then we start chapter two with John Wick going to get his car back. Our Swedish sticks man. Yeah. Yes. And and it's just preposterous to me, the fact that

48:49Oti: he would continue with his vengeance to get the car. Later on, we see through flashbacks that indeed the car was pretty much in the picture throughout the whole relationship with the wife. They'd parked it on the beach, which I didn't even think was a thing. Who allows you to drive a car into the beach? Maybe it's private. I don't know. I'm a mere pleb. So

49:15KT: We didn't go to the beach that often.

49:17Oti: But, anyway, I just felt like, mate, just walk away. You've gotten you've killed the people responsible. Walk away.

49:28KT: It did not need to happen. I think you know what? Personally, I if we need to evaluate the series as a whole, I would still say this is one of the best action movies. I don't know what Google's saying. Google's saying that this is a crime slash mystery movie, but whatever. To each, it's whodunit own. Right? But when it comes to, like, action sort of series, I would say that John Wick stands alone, and it's it's cut from a cloth of its own of its own elk. But, wow. Wow. I

50:08KT: really didn't think if if you had missed John Wick chapter two, you really weren't missing a lot, except for the fact that it introduces the high table and more about the secret society that goes on there.

50:23Oti: And Laurence Fishburne.

50:25KT: And Laurence Fishburne. Oh, yeah. But, you know, you there's probably compilations on YouTube that you could watch instead of watching the movie. But, you know, the the second movie was quite good, and I think what was good that I would definitely recommend is before Parabellum well, before we went to go see Parabellum today, which is quite a few days not quite a few days, like, two days after it released, we watched one and two back to back. Right? And then the next morning or lunchtime,

50:58KT: we went to go and watch Parabellum, which I think is the best way to watch this because at the end of chapter two, it pretty much ends on you have one hour. We're gonna give you a head start. You need to run. Right? And the third movie essentially just picks up on that momentum. And we were kind of late to the movies, which is pretty much our MO Mhmm. Our modus operandi that goes around around around here.

51:31KT: But as soon as we got in, the movie already started, and the action just started right off the bat.

51:37Oti: Yeah.

51:38KT: It's just speeding off where they left off on on chapter two. Yeah. There was no there was no time to do anything. It literally got straight into the action, which I don't think was a problem because we had just watched chapter two. But if you've waited two years and for whatever reason you didn't do a refresher after, you know, about to see Parabellum, it kind of it was a weird change of pace. Opening up with an action sequence. Right? But I I think it was quite good watching one, two, and then watching Parabellum

52:16KT: back to back.

52:18Oti: Yeah. For sure. Like, I regarding that, it was just high energy, high from the get go. He had one hour, we see what happens between the hour and how he struggles to try and stitch himself up because he was stabbed a couple of times or with the wrestler, with the tall guy in the library. NBA.

52:44KT: Yeah. You've been called a basketball player so much, so you should know that.

52:44Oti: Yeah. I should. I should.

52:44KT: I feel like you're dancing around the fact that we're gonna get meta right now. Even though we were running late so we already know we're going to hell. Okay? Don't fight us. We know we're going to hell because we were late to the screening of John Wick. And by late, I mean, we didn't get to ease into the trailers and the ads. We just got straight to the movie. Right? But there was this one motherfucker,

53:18KT: and I'm gonna call him Kyle. Right? He looked like a fucking Kyle. And okay. Alright. We accept our lot in life. We're late. However, we had enough time to order our snackages and our drinkages before the actual movie. We had ample time. Right? Mhmm. But this motherfucker, Kyle, and I know you guys have experienced it, whether it's a eight year old crying kid or whether it's one man that spent $50, $50 worth of food and drink. And in Sydney, Australia, really, you're not getting a lot for $50.

54:04KT: But he spent lots of truth. No. But he spent $50 on himself, and he kept asking what the options were when he was at the bar. Are you kidding me, motherfucker? I'm about to see John Wick. I will roundhouse kick you in the motherfucking face if you don't hurry up and order what you wanna watch. I'm about to get into that movie. I'm about to punch some bitches. I'm about to choke some bitches, and you're the first one on my list, Kyle.

54:30Oti: It's good you're keeping your list just like Arya.

54:35KT: How dare you? How dare you?

54:39Oti: It cannot be helped.

54:42KT: It can. It can. It It cannot. So the the first movie was beautiful exposition of, for lack of a better word, origin story that you have with John Wick and how he came to be, how he was, and how he continued to be within this world of the Continental and also the high table. One of the things I really appreciated about the John Wick series, so far a three film franchise, maybe four, was it really just got down to canon content. And what I mean by that is, obviously, missus Wick was a catalyst for

55:29KT: a lot of John Wick's sort of path of rampage and vengeance. But we didn't we didn't need to see, you know, flashbacks of his life with missus Wick. We already knew he loved her so much, so much that he was ready to give up the game.

55:46Oti: Right? Yep.

55:47KT: Well, not give it up. He he did literally give it up for her. Right? And we didn't need to dwell on that. And a lot of this movie was, let's get down to brass tacks. What needs to be done, and let's go there? Yeah.

56:06Oti: It's just something that I thought you know, it it's so much like Spartacus.

56:14KT: Thank you.

56:16Oti: What?

56:17KT: I love Spartacus. Whenever we can mention it, I love it.

56:17Oti: Yeah. Like, you know, when when

56:17KT: We love Andy Whitfield.

56:23Oti: Oh, he he's he's the best. He's the best. So when Spartacus loses Sura, and Sura tells him kill everyone. Yeah. Or it's just like the way Daenerys lost Missandei, and Missandei told her, Dracarys, I think.

56:40KT: Were you were paying me for a fool.

56:40Oti: It's an equivalent for kill everyone.

56:40KT: No more Game of Thrones.

56:50Oti: It's just so similar to the theme of vengeance that it consumes and completes you, and you can't grasp onto anything else other than doing what's right and what you deem right. But with John Wick, it's slightly different where the wife didn't tell John Wick, get revenge or because she wasn't killed, she died naturally. The dog, Daisy, wasn't like, we made revenge. That's dog saying revenge. That's offensive. May I speak I speak good, dog.

57:28KT: Because you're a bitch? Aye. You went there.

57:36Oti: But it's well, John Wick has his mind that he has to rectify things. He has to balance the scales. And so he does. He goes into this journey and rampage, quite Archer esque

57:50KT: and Love Archer.

57:52Oti: Yeah. And and how it just translates into something bigger and it becomes so much more. We see D'Antonio in the second series saying that I would have left John Wick alone if I knew he was completely out. But the fact that he had come back to avenge his dog and the car meant like, bitch, please. I can use him again. He signed a blood oath with me. Yeah. And The marker. Yeah. The marker. And let me just activate it.

58:29KT: And that's a very central theme that we have to the John Wick series that we talked about while we're coming out of the cinema. Because you have John Wick who, as far as we understand, he is second to none when it comes to assassins, not just in their skill and ability, but also in their morality. Mhmm. Because even when they were in I'm just gonna call it Central Station. I don't I'm not sure where there was. Him and, I'm so sorry, the Japanese man, the bold one. Yeah. He's called Zero.

59:03KT: So when you have John Wick's character and Zero in what I would call Grand Central Station, there are these kids that are pretty much in symptom. So it ruins the momentum of them about to slaughter each other. And that's when Zero said, this is where you and I are different, and this is what makes you special because I would've went for your throat just now, essentially. Right? So that kind of colors John Wick's character

59:34KT: and who he is as a person, which makes this series so much more special because you're not just following someone that's on a bloody path or rampage, but you have someone that, in relative terms, is quite a decent person.

59:48Oti: Yeah. And same kind of said with Spartacus. Like, he he he fought for the rights of everyone else in the house. Yeah. So The lesser citizens. Yeah. And with John Wick, we see how he he's trying to transvast this weird and complicated relationships with other assassins, and his relationship with Winston is put to the test in Parabellum. And in what we thought it had withstood and John Wick finally seeing that I would prefer to die. Like Winston said, would you prefer to die as just an assassin? Or as the man that loved.

60:27KT: And that's that's great. Thank you for circling back to my point. So you have John Wick who's on he's essentially gone rogue. Right? And you have all a slew of people that are helping him. So you have Winston. You have the Bowery King. I think that's what it's called, Laurence Fishburne's character.

60:50KT: And you've got all these other characters that also Anjelica's character as well, which I think is just credited as the director. You have all of these characters that are in quite a high rank. Even Halle Berry's character, Sofia, that know that if not death, but definitely excommunicado is upon them. Right? Yet they continue to help John Wick throughout the series. And also the doctor, the cute little doctor man that we saw in the first movie. Right? You see them throughout the series continue to help John Wick, and you start to wonder,

61:26KT: why are you jeopardizing any sort of future or prosperity that you have for this one man? But it isn't really just one man, is it? It's kind of standing up to the powers that be, the organization that rules you. And sometimes you just need to take a stand.

61:45Oti: And we see that the organization that rules them, the high table, is full of crap. They have these rules written in stone that they enforce regardless of context Yeah. Of reason. As long as it's broken, you have consequences. Laurence Fishburne only gave John Wick a gun with seven bullets.

62:07KT: He had he's he was one. Don't say only. I don't know much about guns, but I feel like that was quite a pivotal gun to have.

62:16Oti: Then again, he had protection.

62:18KT: Try to make sure that he was killed, though?

62:21Oti: After seven slashes and he still managed to survive, shouldn't they have done a better job? It wasn't more so to kill him. It was just to punish him and seven slashes regardless of whether he's dead or not. It wasn't meant to be fatal, I don't think.

62:35KT: I feel like they should have been more heavy handed, though. If they genuinely didn't want John Wick as a threat anymore, they should have been way more heavy handed than they were. And then you have Asia's character. I sorry. I don't remember her name. But you have Asia's character calling Winston being like, do you wanna parlay? Just concede and admit that you lost, bitch. Like, just

62:35Oti: The high and that's the problem. The high table cannot lose. It's the high table.

62:35KT: They kind of lost, though.

63:09KT: They because you have Zero's character and all of his students that essentially got obliterated by John Wick.

63:16Oti: But the thing is, the higher table cannot lose. And that's what they're fighting. So and that's what he told Winston. This is just a first wave. We'll continue sending people after people after people to come at you.

63:30KT: Yeah. But I feel like that's hyperbole.

63:33Oti: And that's when Winston oh my god. I feel like the fourth movie would be John Wick Cranning revenge on Winston as well for watching this.

63:45KT: Because I I do have an affection for Ian McShane. And I don't know where that spawned off on, and we don't have a couch to go through this. But I fucking love Ian McShane. And the way he played the Winston character, exemplary. Do you genuinely feel like he had malicious intent when he shot John Wick off the roof? I felt like that that was his kind way of finding a way to spare him because he could have shot him right in the head. As we know, this franchise is notorious for headshots.

64:16Oti: Yeah. Multiple headshots. Yeah. Right. I get that. I understand. I I I understand that point of view. But what makes me think that part of it was selfish on his stead is that he didn't talk with this with anyone. Only the fact that Laurence Fishburne later comes and says, it's understandable. He had to do whatever he had to do to make to keep the Continental open.

64:45KT: What would you have done, Kelly, if you were Winston's character?

64:45Oti: Continue the war.

64:52Oti: Go after the everyone of the high table. And we already see we've we've already seen who's sitting at the helm in the desert. He's supposedly controlling everything. And we know we know Asia's character is just the Adjudicator. He's she's not told you. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. But I I do love a good rebellion,

65:12KT: and I do love people going rogue. So I'm very excited for the fourth movie, and I hope you don't make us wait too long.

65:12Oti: Yeah. And and this will be a Laurence Fishburne and Keanu

65:22Oti: reunion in terms of working together as in the same team, and I cannot wait. I am psyched. I am pumped, and I am waiting for it.

65:22KT: You're primed and ready.

65:22Oti: Primed and ready.

65:36KT: Well, I think this is a good time to give us a chance to get a breather and also for you guys to go and take a break, sip some cold water, or even something stronger if you feel like you need it after this episode. But wow.

65:53Oti: Wow. Wait.

65:55KT: And I think it was quite a and, again, I I'm not the biggest sort of cinephile, so I'm not sure how many stuntmen turned directors there are. But I really appreciated the action sequences in John Wick one, two, and three because so much of action sequences, it's always so slick and so perfect, and, you know, you move quite seamlessly through each transition. But in John Wick, you know, he is someone that has been in the field for, what, twenty, thirty years. And even after he stabs someone,

66:31KT: he struggles or he needs to reload his weapon. Also, I think this is in the second John Wick or maybe the first one where he has a shotgun, and he has to reload the shotgun, but he's got it against someone's head while he's shotgunning.

66:44Oti: The second one. Yeah.

66:47KT: Amazing. Perfect. Resourcefulness is also very iconic as well. You don't need to have your special shield or your special weapon in order to be able to obliterate masses. Right? You can use whatever's around you. Amazing. And, again, as someone that doesn't really care for action, I was satiated and I was salivating and I was there. I was there. I was in it. I was in the midst of it, and it was worth every delicious morsel that I could uncover in this series.

67:24Oti: Yeah. For sure. And I just want to say this. Like, what what what the director has managed to do here is no small feat. Yeah. Chad. Yeah. Because we've seen we've seen Mission Impossible and how their action sequences are done, and it is good. Mhmm. But this standouts above head and shoulders above the others. Mhmm. So clearly, we can see how much time and effort is put into this. Yep. And to produce so much visually stunning cinematography

68:01Oti: and action sequences that are believable. And narrative, cohesive narrative. Yeah. And and we were talking about I think it was the Burning episode where we said in the stab scene at the end of the movie Spoiler. Where where it was Jong-su. We just saw how it was it was cumbersome. It was it was labor. It was tusky. It wasn't He was struggling. It wasn't anything efficient. It wasn't like a stab stab and walk away. It was someone

68:32Oti: who's never killed before doing it. Mhmm. Yeah. And we felt like, oh, I feel like that's how it should be. One of the more realistic sort of It feels realistic. Yeah. Yeah. And these action sequences just feel realistic.

68:46KT: Mhmm.

68:47Oti: And if anything an action movie can get right is the realism of how it should be. Because many times, it's just CGI, pop up, done. You don't even see the effects or the struggle. You don't feel the struggle in it, but he brings it out so beautifully, and it makes you cringe in fear and and disgust at how ew it is. Uh-huh. But I'm sorry. I liked a better word for that, but it's just amazing. Really well.

69:30KT: There were so many cringey scenes throughout the whole John Wick series. And, you know, even when in the third movie in Parabellum, when he chops his ring finger off, if we were watching Spartacus season one, there would have been blood coming out of every orifice. Yeah. Right? And it wasn't I I think what we're honing in on is the violence served for the narrative of the movie. It wasn't gratuitous, and it wasn't blood porn. It it made sense. Yeah. And we definitely appreciate that. This is gonna sound ridiculous, but it had a realism to it. Right? And

70:10KT: we've pretty much talked about how all of our private places has become quite public. Right? So there's really nothing that can compare. And now we're going to transition into For Your Reference where we recommend things that you might wanna watch after watching John Wick, which is a very dangerous thing talking about how amazing it is. Oti, take it away.

70:10Oti: I will start off with Archer.

70:37Oti: Archer is the closest thing that I've come to see resembling John Wick. And when Keanu, John, put on his turtleneck, I was just waiting for him to go on a rampage in that turtleneck, and my dream of Archer and John Wick reunion would have come complete.

70:55KT: What? What? Yep.

70:58Oti: And it's just the parallels between Archer and Keanu are so distinct and clear, and you could see the characters who how they could resonate and how they could exist in the same world. And if only there was a crossover possible, maybe later on when they're doing, like, prequels and whatever Mhmm. It would be so amazing to be able to witness such a thing.

71:26KT: And the last and final season of Archer is coming out in the next few weeks, so you can probably expect that in our next episode. Yeah. Yeah. So my turn. I've got two references. Oh, you do? Yes. I've got two. And it it still spawns off the spy slash assassin sort of genre, but there are different types of audiences. So let's start off with, you know, people that have a bit more spring in their step, people that feel a bit younger. Right? Kingsman. Kingsman

71:59KT: one and two? Yep. Yes. I think there's only been two so far. Taron Egerton, I think, is the way you pronounce it. Egerton. Egerton.

72:08Oti: Egerton. Yeah.

72:11KT: I really I just thought he was a run of the mill sort of guy, but he's proving to be someone that has astronomical acting chops. And Rocketman is coming out soon as well, so you will definitely hear us talk about that on our podcast soon. So I'm very excited for Rocketman. But in regards to the reference for this week, Kingsman. And if for no other reason, if any of you out there stan a strong, amazing, all encapsulating Colin Firth, then please

72:50KT: walk on through to our Twitter DMs because I would love for you to slide in our DMs, and we can talk about Colin Firth. It's o it's it's Oti's reason we haven't talked about Colin Firth yet. Oti's Halle Berry is KT's Colin Firth, so that's all we need to say there. So Kingsman, check that check that out if you haven't already. And on the opposite side of the spectrum, still talking about, like, spies and assassins. More for the mature sort of audiences, someone that has already pretty much retired from that sort of genre,

73:30KT: you have Denzel Washington's Equalizer.

73:30Oti: Oh, nice.

73:30KT: Yeah. Right? So he's pretty much done that part of his life. He's done with that chapter. In the first Equalizer, he uncovers that again with Chloe Grace Moretz Yep. Or Moretz Grace. And, you know, it pretty much encapsulates him back into that world again. So, yeah, Kingsman and also Equalizer.

73:57Oti: Very nice recommendations.

73:59KT: Thank you. We're all about encouraging on this podcast. We stan that in this household. So let's let's pull it off on our socials on Twitter and Instagram. We're for your.

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74:25Oti: Alright. Thank you, and have a great week. See you.

74:29KT: Bye.