Demon Slayer – He’s a bad Himejima
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KT & Oti
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This week, we delve deep into the world of Demon Slayer, reflecting on the series’ highlights and discussing our detailed rankings of the Hashira. We also review the epic Infinity Castle film, exploring major battles and emotional character arcs. Join us as we celebrate the storytelling and visual mastery of this beloved anime.
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KT"Infinity Castle kicks off the epic three-part conclusion of Demon Slayer, a series known for emotional character arcs and breathtaking visuals, and further finds a place in the hearts of long-time lovers and first-time watchers."
Oti"An action-fueled first act, with stunning visuals made for the big screen. Buckle up, Infinity Castle plunges you into a breathtaking descent where every emotion hits hard."
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KT: Arigato friends and lovers, uh, before we even get started, just know across every credentials, including MAL, we are, we be certified. Right off top. Please go and check out and thank you so much. Uh, for the love so far for our interview with Zach and Johnny who voiced Tanjiro and Giyu respectively for Demon Slayer. While we're also talking about anime interviews, check out our Aleks Le, mostly for Solo Leveling. Um, but shout outs to Aleks for voicing Zenitsu. There was a really cool premiere in the US, um, and it was called, see Everyone There. Other anime while we are here, friends and lovers, we've, we've done two anime Ref Maxes, including JJK, um, as well as Conan. We've done quite a lot. We've done To Be Hero X, which we're still enjoying now. Um, other full review episodes. We've also done another Demon Slayer full review, Kamado in chief. I'm very proud of that, Oti. Mm-hmm. Um, as well as Naruto. We also have a bonus episode, um, of Naruto as well. We do have a lot to cover in our schedule, friends and lovers, but we cleared it all out to air out this full review.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: Let's get onto the show. Hey, friends and breathing lovers. Was that more Busta Rhymes or was that more Doci?
Oti: Yeah, that was spliff stuff Arm. put
KT: hands where my eyes can see, Oti.
Oti: Ah,
KT: I see we got Gachia-
Oti: -kuta
KT: up in here, friends and lovers. Um, also kata, we also covered as well. Welcome friends and lovers to the Weeby certified. According to us, about to put our pull quotes on Rotten Tomatoes. It's fully official over here, friends and lovers. The For Your Reference podcast. You got your hosts fourth wife of Tengen, za, KT
Oti: and Oti. You
KT: You don't wanna be Shinobu's husband?
Oti: Nah, I'm cool.
KT: Oh hoo. Travel on the Mugen Train through the Entertainment District to the Swordsmith Village. And exhale, your final form in Hashira Training, you.
Oti: nice
KT: Moonwalk into He he victory. didn't, lemme finish Victor. He, he, um, with Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Infinity Castle, this motherfucking week. Friends of Lovers.
Oti: Oh, what an intro. Indeed.
KT: How are you feeling?
Oti: I'm hyped. I'm good. I enjoyed the hell out of this movie and just rewatching the whole anime again.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: Oh, get me fed. I was wondering at certain points of the episodes where it finished, how the hell did I wait a week for this? Yeah. mm mm
KT: Oh, absolutely. Um, we're going to get into it, friends and lovers. Right off top, I will say congratulations and congratulations to everyone, uh, that dressed up or went to the cinema. Continued to go and support Demon Slayer. Uh, it is the highest opening box office for an international film in the US, Oti. It and in regards to like weekends, it built it beat out F1, Superman, Fantastic Four and How to Train Your Dragon.
Oti: Say it
KT: Weepies we up. Unless your OTs clever tosses, then stay down
Oti: No. There up.
KT: up. Oh my. Oh, so exciting. Uh, it's on Rotten Tomatoes, friends and Lovers, 97 98. And we'll keep it moonwalking there, um, as much as we can. But we're very excited to get into Demon Slayer, grab a snack, grab a beverage, uh, because we are going to absolutely get into it. Uh, you know. We are very learned. So if you're not into anime, I would say pull your Marvel finger out. If you could enjoy the fiction of a Marvel, you will be fine with anime. Mm-hmm. Demon Slayer is, we will talk about Demon Slayer as a series, um, but, you know, expand it. You know, even Bullet Train. We said people didn't enjoy Bullet Train 'cause they're used to the boring realms of Western sort of storytelling, right? Mm-hmm. Let it be what it is.
Oti: you. Unshackle thyself. feel free. Enjoy, delve deep.
KT: Wow. From Oti Corinthians, is it? Yeah,
Oti: Yeah, it, said, it said it in the scriptures. You know, you've Gotta enjoy things the way they come. And
KT: I
Oti: know. I don't, I've watched, I, I don't know what I expected this movie, to be. I think when you told me that
KT: I
Oti: know that they're going to do like just. a, a Three parter and Then that's it. And there's not gonna be like an infinity sort of season I was, I was a bit skeptical, going in, feeling a bit trepidatious, wondering why the hell would they do that? Or they just try and cram everything. We'll get an hour and a half of condensed stuff skipping, doodling over storylines and a, and just so that we can get to the sort of one hour 30 movie sort of standard time? But boy, was I wrong,
KT: Yeah.
Oti: gladly wrong as well. Right. Yeah.
KT: Um, well, before we even get to, you know, I, I do wanna be ranking the whole series as well, but, uh, I guess let's get our pull quotes. Uh, friends and lovers, we did do our homework. You're more than welcome to do your homework. We re-watched the series leading up to this interview, um, as well as the film. Sorry, uh, but let's get our pull quotes. We will say non-spoiler for now, but the film has been out, so we wanna get all the way into it and sink our teeth into it. Um, so give us your pull quote again, non-spoiler for now, but once we do the ranking of the arcs, we are going to go full medal. I was gonna say, uh, what does say Inand full Turbo?
Oti: all right. An action-fueled first act, with stunning visuals made for the big screen. Buckle up, Infinity Castle plunges you into the breathtaking depths where every emotion hits hard. Woo
KT: Woo.
Oti: mm.
KT: Hmm. Infinity Castle kicks off the epic three-part conclusion of Demon Slayer, a series known for emotional character arcs and breathtaking visuals, and further finds a place in the hearts of long-time lovers and first-time watchers.
Oti: Mm.
KT: That last bit was corny, but it's true.
Oti: It is. It is. You, you, you can Go into this. you know. Um, no, I wouldn't recommend going to this having not watched Demon Slayer. it's, but
KT: like you might as well enjoy the series. Yeah. But I feel like you could enjoy the film as is because it has enough
Oti: story.
KT: Yeah. It, it has enough story. Absolutely. Um, but yeah. Uh, I, I guess before we get into ranking the arcs, just your general sort of overview, non-spoiler thoughts on the film. Actually, Oti. Let's be Don Cheadle, IMDB. Uh, internet. 'cause if you go on IMDB, usually they'll be like, can my kids go and watch this? My question to you, Oti, is do you think. Not that art needs to be consumed by all ages, but we saw kids at the media screening, right? We also saw them at the JJK Hidden Inventory / Premature Death. Shout us to me for always knowing that title. Uh, do you think this is for kids or do you think kids can go, do you think kids will be scarred?
Oti: Uh, not really scarred. I think in as much as there's blood and stabbings and all that, I think they've still done it in a more tasteful way. It's not like in the upcoming, when you go and watch, uh, Chainsaw Man, I'd be surprised if I see kids there.
KT: Oh, they've got the cute little plushy.
Oti: That's how they trick you.
KT: Okay.
Oti: It's the plushy and then the, you know.
KT: Oh my,
Oti: no, seriously. I just with Demon Slayer I can get, you know, with, with a bit of super, you know, just, yeah, it's blood, whatever. like. You Have those conversations with your kid. I feel like Demon Slayer is accessible enough for all ages without it feeling a bit too weird.
KT: shout outs to Shea friend and lover of the For Your Reference podcast in my heart Chambers. 'cause she was asking and her kids in her like early teens 'cause her, her, her kid and uh, their friend wanted to go, but because it's rated she would have to go as well. But she also watches anime as well, so I'm like, you should just take your kid. But I also said there were kids probably like five and six. That were
Oti: we are younger.
KT: Um, I don't feel the burden to need to qualify what is appropriate for kids or not, but I will say kids were at screening. I would also say that, like you said, it is vis very visually breathtaking. So if you do have children and they are very well behaved, um, I guess watch a couple of scenes, uh, of Demon Slayer. 'cause you'll see it like they are slashing themselves with swords at the end of the day. But it is done in a very beautiful way. And it's not gratuitous, it's not art terrify. Right. Yeah.
Oti: Yeah. And it's not sort of Prison School level of, you know,
KT: damn bro.
Oti: Well,
KT: I guess just a reminder, you know, we're, we're for your mummies and your daddies, but we're not for the babies. So, uh, explicit tags all over, um, friends and lovers, usually I earn it, but Oti is earning it on this weeby certified episode today. But yet overall. We'll talk about the series generally. Um, but coming to this film, we, well, I've had the opportunity to watch it three times. You've watched it two times. Uh, I've watched it twice in IMAX. You've watched it once in IMAX and fucking wow.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Like friends and lovers. If we're not talking about my very insular indie films that I love, like On Becoming a Guinea Fowl. I guess also it was just an accident as well. Um, but if we are talking about a visually cinematic, textural, all round, immersive experience, it's Sinners and Demon Slayer for me. I'm absolutely not. Sorry.
Oti: To actually, I think, um, How to Train Your Dragon looked quite good in IMAX as well. Oh wow. Take you Leave it. Um, yeah, those three this year really, really good.
KT: Okay.
Oti: Hmm.
KT: Uh, well before we get into the actual film, and I guess finding our way to potentially, not potentially, but to Farewell Demon Slayer, um, let's, let's rank the arcs. So I guess we'll just, uh, have a little bit of a reminder, Unwavering Resolve arc, which is very much the first season. It does the groundwork of what every, not just anime, but what every first season should do. Introduce you to the protagonist and world and why you should care. Usually it's to root on the protagonist or maybe it's to scorn them. um, but it really set the foundation and.
Oti: Like
KT: connection between Tanjiro and Nezuko was so beautifully done in that first season in particular. So Unwavering Resolve Arc, or we can call it the first season, we have Mugen Train. We've Rengoku. I've got a hot take about Rengoku, but I'm pretty sure it's not gonna surprise anyone. Entertainment District arc. I do not have a hot take. All of my hot takes are on,
Oti: 10.
KT: uh, there's a Swordsmith Village arc, um, as well. And before we get to Infinity Castle, we, oh, you know when you are like playing Sonic and you hit your stride and you're collecting all of the rings, that's what Hashira Training felt like. Mm-hmm. And it felt too short
Oti: Mm.
KT: and it felt like there are back stories. Gear me.
Oti: Mm.
KT: I need more. Yeah. I need absolutely more. But those are the, those are the five that we have. Um, where do you, do you want to go one for one? Do you wanna do your five to one? Do you wanna do your one to five? How do you wanna do this? My love? Ooh,
Oti: Ooh, let's start with off.
KT: the bottom.
Oti: Yeah, let's start with the bottom and then get up until, three and then we'll say
KT: the bottom is Mugen Train for me.
Oti: Say, oh, wait.
KT: Oh. Or Swordsmith. Okay, let's battle it out.
Oti: Oh, I'd put Mugen Train as the bottom for me.
KT: Okay. Easy. Mm. I thought we needed to, you know, have a quandary. Okay. So Mugen Train. And then will we both agree that Swordsmith is next for fourth?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Okay.
Oti: Oh,
KT: can we, can we go down or do we need to start at the top? Where are we
Oti: No, You just need
KT: can we do ties or is that cop out? Can we do tie early if we absolutely have to? Yeah.
Oti: I, I, I don't think, I think I can separate them enough to not tie. them. Uh, my third one would be Hashira Training.
KT: You know,
Oti: Mm.
KT: while you were musing, I was musing on your music and I'm like, as much as I loved it, it.
Oti: it,
KT: We were just gliding. We were gliding on what was been, what has been built.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah. And it's easy, to sort of like it because you get to now see Hashira, you get to see a little bit more about them where It's always been like a mention here or there. Yeah. Um,
KT: okay, so, so what's, what's your, are you gonna do two and one, or you gonna do one and two?
Oti: Two and one. Uh, the second one has to be Unwavering Resolve, the first
KT: season.
Oti: it's Set up the world perfectly. You get to love Tanjiro, we get to, see his play. We get to enjoy the world of what, what, um, SLE is. And that's why it still just can't be the brilliance. of Entertainment District. Woo.
KT: Did you surprise yourself? My love?
Oti: No, not really. Yeah. Were you going to tie Unwavering with um, entertainment?
KT: Well, we specifically in Spartacus, like we talk a lot, I talk a lot about a show isn't great if the first season isn't great. Mm. And like it can't be built on, you know, we talk about film foundation and all that, so, but it's interesting talking about Demon Slayer because to say that the first is the best is kind of an insult. But then again, Entertainment District isn't the end either. But if we talk about the, I guess, the sort of character arc that Tengen has in Entertainment District, and you know what it also is as well, Mugen Train was so singular. Entertainment District, you actually had an expansion of the characters beyond
Oti: Inosuke and
KT: Zenitsu and Tengen and his wives as well, but you actually got to know and care about all of the Entertainment District, so it was a whole meal. Right. Um, but yeah, no, I, I absolutely agree with you. I think the consolidated FYR, uh, you know, certified Demon Slayer Kimetsu ranking number one, Entertainment District. Number two, Unwavering Resolve. Number three, the training. Number four, Swordsmith Village. Number five, Mugen Train. How are you feeling about that?
Oti: Good. This, it's a solid, car right there.
KT: it's a solid cat right there. Uh. I don't know if this is controversial. I would say it is because I've been on the internet and the algorithm is very much leaning towards Demon Slayer at the moment. I don't care for Rengoku that much.
Oti: Had you, you had issues with Rengoku. from the get go?
KT: Well, I confused him with Fuegoleon,
Oti: that's,
KT: Black Clover. Uh, friends and lovers.
Oti: They do look,
KT: no, no,
Oti: I don't know, they don't really look similar, but I can get it. just fiery, fiery yeah. Fiery people types.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: no, don't try and pull, pull all the, you know, uh, direction at me. Don't you also feel like he wasn't really that much of a vantage point? Vera Farmiga did more for Bates Motel than
Oti: ro
KT: Kyojuro Rengoku did for Demon Slayer and Vera Farmiga didn't even show up as much as Rengoku.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: That
Oti: Watching it a second time, Mugen Train, I felt like the issue was us connecting with Rengoku because it felt so,
KT: he was very, uh, Superman. Like he was very valiant and noble. Yeah, yeah,
Oti: yeah. And he, he he didn't come, like, even while they're giving us the backstory of how he grew up, which was sad, you know, I felt sad for him.
KT: But who doesn't have a dad that doesn't love him? Am I right?
Oti: No, definitely the aspects of him that I loved, um, his relationship with the brother, him wanting to, you know, he, he took
KT: Tanjiro
Oti: Ro as if, you know, he looked at him as, oh, my young bro.
KT: But he would do that to anyone.
Oti: He would, but. There's something, and that's the lasting impact Rengoku has on Tanjiro and him wanting to
KT: Tanjiro was already like that wasn't
Oti: he? He, But he lights up, he, he gives him the extra fire. And that's why we get to see Rengoku always appear in like visions here and there because he was that much of an important force in that interaction. They had at Mugen Train.
KT: Maybe in the second Mortal Kombat, they'll have Goro show up as much.
Oti: Damn.
KT: Check out our Mortal Kombat, uh, episode, friends and lovers. Oti is still grieving his man's Goro. Hopefully Baraka doesn't meet the same fate.
Oti: Yeah. they'll bring some new character just defeat Baraka, you know, one punch combo.
KT: Um, no, but there's a reason why you put Mugen Train at the bottom, right.
Oti: More just. I felt the storytelling wasn't as strong as the others where
KT: you just had to rely on
Oti: how
KT: how good he was. I guess
Oti: Yeah. even the action, the, the the action scenes, the fighting scenes wasn't as strong as the others were. Yes, I get, it was very interesting getting to see the train, whole concept of the train coming to life and being, you know, and that was interesting in itself.
KT: we saw Kenneth Branagh do that on Murder on the Orient Express
Oti: Damn. Geez.
KT: Murder on the Mugen Express. Oh, there you go. We got it. We got him
Oti: Still, I could tell when Rengoku died the first time, I didn't really feel. anything. It was more like, damn, he, I guess top three is That strong The second time, I was like, I can feel a little bit of sadness, but it, it didn't, it didn't carry me. It's not like when we, we were sitting there thinking Tengen is going to die.
KT: Yeah. Just looking back at it, it was too singular in focus. And even if you think about like, aside from like. You know, building out the particular arcs in Entertainment District. It wasn't just Tengen. I think that was the first time because you know, friends of lovers, one of my biggest regrets in life is there was a little popup, um, after Comic-Con. There was a little popup near my work and I bought some key chains and one of my biggest regrets is I didn't get an Inosuke one, but who am I as a grown in my thirties woman walking around with a b shirtless little key ring. So anyway, one of my biggest regrets, but I
Oti: saw the North Gear short are fine.
KT: Wow. Are you proud of who you are? I think you are Inosuke 'cause you barely remember actors' names. Um, but I think that was the first time I was really impressed by Inosuke. Like he wasn't just, uh. I wouldn't say he was one dimensional, but he was that brute sort of character. Right. But that was like Entertainment District. I was like, Inosuke's that guy. Like he, he's got that sort of innate sort of sense to him. I'm so sorry. Friends and lovers and Inosuke fans. I don't know why I didn't think he was a demon slayer. I thought he was this little bush pig that showed up outta nowhere and just was a part of the crew. Kind of like our Mashle, right? Like he doesn't really have magic. He just kicks his leg very fast and it looks
Oti: he he was flying. Yeah.
KT: I thought Inosuke was kind of like him. Um, and then even if you go to the Swordsmith, uh, village arc, that's where we learn a bit more about Tokito. Right. And the, there's so much expanding of the arcs and Mugen Train just didn't do that. I guess you could say. It was earlier on in the series, but there was so much in the first arc as well. Right. Um, okay. So is there anything generally about the series before we get into the actual film? I love,
Oti: Uh, not really just the. we get to experience a bunch of lovable Hashira and a can-do kid in Tanjiro that wants to conquer it all. to save the sister.
KT: Well, I guess we can go through all the Hashira once we actually get to Infinity Castle, but friends and lovers, you are all nasty motherfuckers and you'll listen to the podcast even if you have no intention, intention of watching what we're talking about. I would implore you to stretch that Bong Joon-ho one-inch barrier, and also medium and check out Demon Slayer.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Mm. You can even start with this film because this film. Is exemplary and even in the dub screen, a dub for the interview media screening dub, I guess. So they could bring the normies in there as well. Even with that, shout out to Talitha. Thanks to Billy shout outs to Mo. Uh, we add the new Hashira lineup at the, uh, English dub media screening. And, you know, I still found myself crying and we've spoiled, uh, the series, but we're about to spoil Infinity Castle. So please, um, feel free to skip friends and lovers and come back. We'll go and check out our other Demon Slayer episode. You might've just found out that we already had one. Um, but wow. What a film, how did you feel about it? My love? You can spoil it now.
Oti: Oh, uh, I, loved it. I think how, how the Hashira arc ended. We picked right up at that point. Yeah. And the chills.
KT: The chills.
Oti: Everyone free falling.
KT: Yeah. And I thought Beyonce was gonna show up with that little twin twin, like with that formation sound.
Oti: Yeah. Like there's so much, there's so much
KT: unknown
Oti: at that point. Yeah. What's happening? What, what's this? Why there all these demons in there? You know? Gyomei. We know he's the strongest.
KT: He's a bad Himejima.
Oti: Jimma. Oh,
KT: Oh, I got another episode title.
Oti: Oh,
KT: oh
Oti: oh. I cannot wait to see him fight. properly. 'cause we get a little bit of semblance of it in, um, in the Hashira Training. Yeah. But that's just because Muzan is sort of pinned down. There's not really much fighting. It's just him beating him to a pulp. But,
KT: But, um, I wouldn't say shout outs, but Kaigaku, he is the kid that snitched to the demons to find Gyomei and the little kids.
Oti: Are you sure? And
KT: is also Zenitsu's nemesis. You know, motherfuckers a bad motherfucker when he shows up in two backstories.
Oti: I don't think so. Are you sure,
KT: bro? He looks exactly the way he looks. Anyway, back to Gyomei.
Oti: Yeah. I, I don't trust that. But Gyomei, uh, and Tokito being like the ones paired up make so much sense to me.
KT: Yeah. I leaned over and said, that's you and me and your
Oti: Tokito. Because I, because I, because to me, those are the two strongest Hashira.
KT: Oh, okay. We need to do this.
Oti: what we
KT: need to, no, we need to do this before we do this. Can I just address something? And usually I don't care too much for the chatter that's going around, especially when I feel like it's adding nothing, just hot air.
Oti: nothing.
KT: But there's been complaints even from anime fans that there's too much fucking backstory. I would say, fuck your back and fuck your story, because
Oti: What do people want in a movie?
KT: Right? Grow up,
Oti: learn about the characters. Fam grow up. Geez.
KT: Okay, I'm glad we agree.
Oti: Uh, yeah, those are my two strongest ones. And those are the ones that I actually wanna see face Muzan. Ah,
KT: I want Nezuko to fight Muzan
Oti: Muzan? Nezuko's becoming human. Yeah.
KT: Yeah. We, we said we're, we're gonna do spoilers for Infinity Castle, but let's just stay before the film so we can focus on the Hashira. We did the arc rankings. Friends and lovers, welcome to the Demon Slayer Hashira ranking. I feel like Tengen still counts even though he retired. Um, so we've got Shinobu, Gyomei,
Oti: Gyomei, Rengoku.
KT: Rengoku. Does he still go? If you're a Rengoku fan, I'm so sorry. You tuned in. Giyu, Obanai, Mitsuri. Uh, Tengen, Tokito and Sanemi. We've got nine.
Oti: mm.
KT: Oh, this is gonna be mean because you said the other day the ladies are at the bottom.
Oti: Who said that?
KT: Yeah, you did.
Oti: Hey,
KT: yeah, you did. Okay, well who's at the bottom then?
Oti: Uh,
KT: are we go but we're going on based off what we've been informed in the show, right? No, no. Not what we think is cool.
Oti: Not what we think is cool, not what is in the manga or whatever rankings people are getting from, I don't know where, just what we perceive from what's been done in the anime itself.
KT: Okay.
Oti: And in the movie.
KT: Okay. You don't have to be all math. How
Oti: the parameters
KT: Is it what Your screw battle or whatever. Okay. Alright.
Oti: eh. Okay.
KT: Who's at, who is at the bottom or you wanna do, who's at the top?
Oti: Let's, let's go top down. I feel
KT: I, we just start with the middle. Uh, you mean at the top? We're going top, top, top. Yeah. It's gotta be Gyomei. Yeah, because he's, he was the first Hashira.
Oti: Hashira. Yeah. And
KT: I think he was older than, uh, I don't know what the master's name is.
Oti: When Grandpa Paul's about to die, he it was like, Gyomei, protect, protect my kids. Yeah. He told he was the only one who was entrusted with the plan. Everyone else was just like protect my kids Fa
KT: Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Um, next,
Oti: Tokito. No.
KT: no, Tengen's stronger.
Oti: He became a Hashira in like two months. Two. The fastest one. Okay. two months
KT: improved. Here's your cookie.
Oti: What do you mean most improved?
KT: Yeah. So he is most improved that he became a Hashira in two months. Big whoop.
Oti: He became a Hashira in two months while still doesn't even remember most of the things that happened in
KT: Okay, cool. But Tanjiro is a, Hashira level at the, at the start of Infinity Castle. Big whoop. See? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. See,
Oti: do you mean big whoop?
KT: He, he is just who you wish Toshiro is in Bleach.
Oti: No, saying no. He's, He is not coming out here with, with his bunkie. the fastest instance of, of battle.
KT: Tengen, Entertainment District. I'm just saying he took on two, he took on two of the upper ranks. You could say that there were one. I don't necessarily agree Ole, he only made it through because t not Koku pierced his heart and he realized he needed to be a kid and he needed to appeal to humanity. That's not necessarily strengths. Now
Oti: what are you talking about
KT: now? I think we need to call off for the two. Who's at the bottom?
Oti: Oh,
KT: Oh,
Oti: I would say Mitsuri
KT: a woman.
Oti: Oh, is she
KT: one with the biggest tit? Yes.
Oti: Yeah. I'd say that like,
KT: no, she was fighting that demon from night
Oti: was about to die until
KT: was fighting that demon from night until dawn.
Oti: was about to get killed before Tanjiro killed. Um, that little demon running away. when Nyko
KT: one in the little VA lived
Oti: In the, in the, in the, yeah. She was about to die in that instance before Tanjiro was saved.
KT: before you keep hating on big titty women, because I do have a, a stake in the demographics and investments in the big titty women committees. Uh, also, you know what, I will say something that I notice in Infinity Castle,
Oti: Mm.
KT: she got big ass ts falling in the Infinity Castle. Ne a bosom was billowing the whole time. How, how animated is moving around while they're sitting down doing nothing. And she was flying through
Oti: Infinity Castle
KT: Castle
Oti: Silicons
KT: were in place. Oti. What I will say to have a little reprieve of this is, this is what I love about Demon Slayer because yes, Tanjiro is that guy, but even the Hashira need to team up to fight these upper ranks. Right? And this was. The qualm that I had was Solo Leveling. 'cause everyone was so horny over Jinwoo including the s st ranks. And apparently Jinwoo could just take on everyone. Okay, we'll fucking jackhammer all the way to all of the bees and Beatles. Like, why do we need anyone else? And what I love about, uh, Naruto does it as well, Black Clover does it as well. But what I love about Demon Slayer is you've got the best of the best of the best. And sometimes they still can't match the upper ranks, or it will take a lot to get to the upper shaba ranks
Oti: which is fair.
KT: No, but you know what I mean. It makes it mote and it means it, the stakes are higher. It's not that you know that
Oti: ghost
KT: is the strongest.
Oti: Why you, why you not? edging your seats while waiting for Jinwoo to come and rescue everyone from Jeju Island.
KT: Leave me there. Um, you know what, you know what? I think Sanemi's at the bottom.
Oti: What
KT: what has he done to prove that he's the strongest battle already? I'm talking about, you know, how they said about Kendrick not being battle tested. Has Sanemi been battle tested? Everything because No, no, no man's in Infinity Castle. He was just fighting off the little demons, the little demons that would obliterate me, but he was just fighting the same demons that Murata. Why were we talking about Murata then? Wow. Are
Oti: comparing Sanemi with Murata
KT: Well, tell me about Sanemi. Tell, tell, tell me. Tell me about your friend.
Oti: His strong as Cool Wind Hashira.
KT: Cool.
Oti: And you could tell. You can tell, you can just feel it. He went, well, well, training. He went toe to toe with Giyu,
KT: you
Oti: You know, Giyu was like,
KT: But that was training
Oti: I, if I, if I just slipped a second, I would've been gone. That just shows you if you, if you rank Giyu higher than if you rank, if you think Giyu is strong,
KT: yeah, he
Oti: Then you have to say, if Sanemi is making him feel that way, Sanemi has to be up.
KT: out there. No
Oti: No has to be up there.
KT: Giyu is just a solid wing man, you know? Nah.
Oti: So what makes you, so if you're saying Sanemi has not been battle tested and he is the bottom, so you'd say
KT: I'm saying you
Oti: you'd say Obanai is also at the bottom with him because we've not really seen Obanai do anything yet.
KT: His achi are pretty, pretty delicious though. No. Okay. Hey, I'm not fighting you. You wanna put women at the bottom? I'm
Oti: I'm not, I'm going based off what we've watched so far. I'm not referencing any manga. She's got milk
KT: maids in your other An enemies. Yeah, she's a shero. Put some respect on her name. Sanemi's at the bottom for me.
Oti: Oh, actually,
KT: yes.
Oti: Maybe. Maybe Rengoku is at the bottom. Then
KT: actually deal. Let's shake hands. Okay. Rengoku at the ball because, I'm sorry. He was a can. Okay. Can I be potentially offensive? He was a fucking cheerleader for the Hashira. Really
Oti: A cheerleader for the Hashira
KT: Because we're not even a, talking about Akaza. He didn't we
Oti: then again, he was, he
KT: struggled with the little violin man on top of the train.
Oti: No, he didn't. He killed him quick with the quick, actually Tanjiro, Inosuke and Tanjiro killed it in the quickness.
KT: Okay, fine. But Rengoku
Oti: It was only when the upper, upper, upper three um, showed up
KT: that.
Oti: that Things became dangerous for everyone.
KT: Okay, fine. Rengoku, because of
Oti: he was about to kill Giyu and Tanjiro before he killed himself anyway, so you could tell No Hashira was ever gonna take,
KT: to the film yet. We're trying to rank the Hashira
Oti: I'm just, saying, I'm just putting evidence down. I'm laying it down.
KT: Okay, well you kind of just busted your nut, but it's okay. Rengoku's at the bottom
Oti: and then I put me through then.
KT: as your eighth. Yeah. Okay, so mine's Rengoku, Sanemi.
Oti: Sanemi,
KT: What you can't even articulate to me,
Oti: I told you he went toe to toe with Giyu in training and Giyu was like,
KT: that just shows that Giyu's strong.
Oti: Exactly. Me meaning that Sanemi is also Nah,
KT: whatever. Keep your own ranking. Stay in your own lane, bro. Okay. We both agree. Rengoku, 'cause of the bottom. Sanemi's my eighth. Mitsuri is your eighth. I would then say Obanai's my seventh.
Oti: I'd put Obanai there as well.
KT: Obanai's.
Oti: Oh,
KT: forgot Shinobu's still there.
Oti: I think Shinobu is stronger.
KT: So you're saying part two, Infinity Castle with the snakes are just gone. Slither in the sun
Oti: Probably.
KT: Voldemort style. Yeah. Hey,
Oti: Then again, Shinobu goes against uh, upper two alone.
KT: Okay. We're gonna get to Infinity Castle, but let's, let's finish this ranking so you do your ranking from nine to one so we don't get confused. And then I'll do my nine to one.
Oti: Alright. Bottom
KT: Rengoku
Oti: after that Mitsuri I'd say, then we'll get to Ooh
KT: Obanai
Oti: Obanai from Obanai, Shinobu, Giyu. Oh, no, no. Shinobu, Tengen. Giyu
KT: Hey,
Oti: what? Okay,
KT: keep going. Tengen
Oti: Giyu.
KT: And then,
Oti: and then Gyomei.
KT: bro, you are dying. I
Oti: I.
KT: Rengoku, Sanemi, Obanai. Oh, Shinobu, Mitsuri
Oti: Talk it up.
KT: Giyu.
Oti: Tengen. Oh,
KT: Ooh. You're putting Giyu
Oti: Giyu above Tokito as well.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: I don't know about that.
KT: Why would they put the two strongest Gyomei's strong enough?
Oti: Why
KT: would you put the two strong? Okay. All right.
Oti: Because they're going after Muzan, Mu-
KT: Muzan. Let's get into the film. Okay. Let's get into the film. Um, because you're absolutely wrong in your Hashira rank. We'll put it on the socials and we'll see what the weebs say, friends and lovers. Uh, there, to me, there are three main parts in the Infinity Castle and even then it's two and a half hours. But even then there was so much more we could have gotten into fuck people that have a problem with backstories. We don't, that we don't have time for you. Just like you don't have time for the backstories. We fucking love it. Shinobu
Oti: Zenitsu. Mm.
KT: and Akaza versus Giyu. And those are kind of the three main sort of conflicts. We have in Infinity Castle. You were about to talk about Shinobu. Who now's your time? My love.
Oti: So Shinobu
KT: Shinobu's
Oti: trying to find the demon, that killed the sister. And Then we get a backstory of how, you know, the sisters dying there and her getting instructions of what the demon looked like. Very emotional. You can feel her pain, you can see her anger. But He's just that strong. That's the problem.
KT: Yeah. And you brought some perspective to me 'cause after we watched the screen, huh? I was like, if Giyu and Tanjiro was struggling with Akaza, what business does Shinobu have? But you reminded me it was about honor. It wasn't about whether she was gonna win 'cause there was no chance.
Oti: And, and this is what I re, and this is why rewatching, it made me think to us about that scene specifically because. At the end of the Hashira Training arc,
KT: Shinobu
Oti: like, Hey, I will teach you how to kill I, I will show you how to kill that demon, to Kanao. Yeah.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: And to me, her dying, is intentional. It's fucking, she knew she couldn't take, she, she, knew she couldn't take him down alone. And I feel like in the process of her being absorbed, there's something in there. there's something in there? Okay. Because there's a hand signal. Even before she died, Uhhuh showing her exact not. because and Douma's like, oh, there's a hand signal. you telling her of my strengths. No, it was shit's on locked in. Fa, you cannot kill this motherfucker. Mm. It's done. Interesting. It's done.
KT: You know what rule I go by at a very impressionable age, I watched the Pokemon movie and when they cried on me too, it came back to life. So I will apply that rule. So if we cry on Douma, you saying Shinobu's gonna pop back out again?
Oti: No, she is. She is gone. Okay. Okay. She is dead. But there's something in the blood. There's something she did to herself in the process of being absorbed. I don't know. This is a
KT: I thought, I thought her, her hand gestures was telling her, don't breathe in.
Oti: Nah. Nah. Okay. Because why would she think she is? She's stronger than Kanao. Yeah. But what would she say, I'll show you how to kill that demon. How. bra
KT: Do you mean like how uh, Tanjiro's dad taught him about the bear and the malice?
Oti: Yeah. See the transparent world. Yeah. Has to be, there's something in there.
KT: Okay. I think after having a discussion with you watching it the first time and then watching it the second time, it made it more emotional. 'cause she knew she wasn't gonna beat
Oti: Yeah.
KT: And watching it from that point of view is so fucking sad. And having those backstories reinforces that sad.
Oti: When her Sister came back in a vision and being like, stand up, get up. You can do this. Yeah. You can win if you want. It wasn't just her doing the Centipede then Woo. A big show. And then that's it. Yeah. Nah. It was the Process of how close can I get for him to? Just absorb me instantly. You'll see.
KT: that was emotional, Uh, watching it the second time round. And it was very beautiful to watch. You know, when the Vikings talk about a beautiful death, I think they were referring in Demon Slayer because the deaths are done so beautifully.
Oti: And the actions like the way they animate this Yeah. The fighting are so beautiful.
KT: Yeah. We felt a way when Levi versus the Beast didn't win the Crunchyroll award. But you know that spider Yeah. You
Oti: go back and you just see how it's, you've gotta just,
KT: and it looks good watching on a phone. It looks good watching on a TV and it looks fucking excellent on an IMAX screen. Yeah. Wow.
Oti: Mm mm
KT: Wow. Absolutely loved it. But yeah, Shinobu had no chance. But also the context clues would say the rest of the Hashira are stronger because what chance would they have then? Unless they're all not fighting the upper ranks, unless they're fighting like the lower demons. But anyway, so there's Shinobu, and then we have Zenitsu in the building.
Oti: Mm-hmm.
KT: First time mans has fought conscious.
Oti: Yeah.
KT: I need to put some respect because in the intro of the other full review I did, I'm pretty sure I said he's only useful when he's unconscious.
Oti: Really?
KT: Oh my. It was a different time. Friends love. Well, it's true. He wasn't useful when he was conscious in Demon Slayer. But you know, to become like to to, to get through and become a Demon Slayer, you need to be a certain level of powerful and rewatching the series. I was more conscious of that before it was just fucking annoying. And it's like, get lost. Like you don't wanna fight, go away. Um, but he had one of the most emotional, not through the dub, no offense, but through watching it for the third time and watching it in the sub I I sobbed
Oti: Yeah.
KT: he was everyone's grandpa.
Oti: Yeah. Losing, you know, he didn't really have love like that growing up. So the the grandpa meant everything. Yeah. And Man. He, he is so strong, I feel like, we've barely, Yeah. Yeah. We've barely gotten to
KT: seven form,
Oti: seven form
KT: where
Oti: we've barely gotten to see how farther he could. Because I feel like there's levels to that. You're taking
KT: You're taking there or taking it further.
Oti: Because remember when they're doing the training, uh, they're trying to push, uh, in, in Gyomei sort of training. They were trying to push the boulder. up.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: We didn't get to see him do it. I feel like there's a backstory there because I'm sure he does it in,
KT: but how is it over after two more movies? I don't understand.
Oti: There's so much I wanna know.
KT: But why not? Why can't we?
Oti: Mm.
KT: Why can't we have a doma ostrich ninja saga? Why not?
Oti: Actually, I wouldn't mind that? Why not?
KT: Um, but wow, the, the Zenitsu fight, I really, because it really is centered in the emotion. Yes. There was some, Ooh. And you know, I was telling you after the media screening, there was so many times when I just wanted to yell. I have a laugh.
Oti: This
KT: is the best day of a laugh. Oh man. It was fucking, it was, it was a fucking moment like watching this.
Oti: this.
KT: Oh wow. And again, friends and lovers, I'm not even the sort of person that feels like everything needs to be watched in the cinema, but man, that Zenitsu fight with Kaigaku. It's so interesting because, you know, we think about like Naruto and Sasuke, and it wasn't necessarily that, but Kaigaku seemed to believe that the world was against him. And you know, in some cases the world can be against you. You know, Anytime you try to build your little sand castle and you know, the little waves come along, right.
Oti: But
KT: Even when he, well, his, his head was already chopped off, but he was like, grams, grams is exactly like that. Of course, he taught you the seven form and he never taught me. And Zenitsu was like, how dare you? He was never that kind of, man, I did this, I built this shit brick by brick drive motherfucker.
Oti: Yeah. Uh, it was, it was a breath of air seeing Zenitsu, being in this element. Yeah. Outside of how we've sort of been conditioned to perceive him up until that point. Yeah. Mm.
KT: I hope he'll fight consciously
Oti: consciously. Yeah.
KT: moving forward, but, you know, there, there's time for whimsy every here and there as well. But man, and it, it gets me excited because Inosuke has to have a main arc, like a, a, a,
Oti: a main, oh, for real. We know, the next one We're gonna see. Inosuke do his thing.
KT: We don't know, but we're guessing and
Oti: we know.
KT: Alright,
Oti: brick by brick
KT: brick, well let's come to the final battle.
Oti: Akaza, you.
KT: and Tanjiro. I love that this series is literally about Tanjiro and his heart, but it's so much more than that.
Oti: Mm. Yeah. Sometimes it feels not maybe quite to the level, you know, when Naruto would be fighting and him struggling in battle and him going through emotions or trying to understand how he can defeat an enemy. It sort of gave me off that vibe Where we see Tanjiro, he's always trying to figure out exactly why a situation's happening. Yeah. How can I defeat this? How can I push myself farther and. In the quest of doing that, we get the backstory of you know, the seeing just him and the dad.
KT: Yeah.
Oti: I, I guess that means the dad was pretty much Hashira level and beyond.
KT: Mm-hmm.
Oti: So I enjoyed it. I love just seeing him Trying to see how he can defeat Akaza and getting to the transparent world, but still walking up to Akaza and being like, Hey. But
KT: But that's a very Tanjiro thing to do.
Oti: It's because,
KT: because he, he, he's not about sneak why,
Oti: why, why, Whoa, why, why suck. A, it's not really a sucker Punch. Why suck. Slice a head when you can, you know, give him a heads up.
KT: You made a choice
Oti: now. You
KT: made a choice. Absolutely. But wow. You know,
Oti: know,
KT: Demon Slayer, even if you look at Tengen, Akaza, the real lesson is friends and lovers. The love of a good woman or women's in Tengen's case,
Oti: town. Mm.
KT: even Obanai
Oti: is,
KT: is swimming in that kro uh, rice cakes, you know? Yeah.
Oti: But
KT: But Akaza storyline, you know, 'cause we didn't really get to know much about him. I think the fact that he's from a discipline where it's just full on fist punching, because I didn't even know what his Blood Demon Art is. Man. Just kept fucking punching people. It was like Uncle Tug and Russell and tough and fucking people.
Oti: people. Yeah.
KT: Yeah. That Street Fighter ho um, Honda, you know, you know, a bonus level.
Oti: man, I feel like you'd be one of the worst people to fight with if you chose Honda 'cause that's the only thing you'd be doing. Yeah. Depends
KT: when do, I ever, I I don't combo this bitch. I, I never block, I, I barely dodge.
Oti: dear.
KT: Um, but wow, like Akaza storyline was something that was so beautiful and ah, I continue to be in awe of the storytelling anime in general, but Demon Slayer specifically. Because like I said, they look like re up chippies, but then you get used to the way that they're animated and the writing is done so beautifully. Like even when you have Tengen and his wives in the Entertainment District and the way they talk about, you know. Anyway, I, I just, I, I love it. I love the way that we had Akaza and his backstory and even thinking about it is just giving me goosebumps because there's a reflection he has and he is like, I can never join them again. And then his wife, he came, oh, I don't even wanna say it. Go and watch it again. Friends and lovers, I might need to sin us this shit and go and watch it for the fourth time in 4DX.
Oti: Yeah. Alright.
KT: Wow. I don't have the time, but I'll absolutely find the time. Um, OTR found a very good meme.
Oti: Mm.
KT: Tanjiro's dad was definitely doing the Hinokami Kagura in his mama. That man had six kids. He had energy somewhere. He was,
Oti: he was he was looking sick as well.
KT: Maybe the wife was quis.
Oti: Oh yeah.
KT: Right? Yeah.
Oti: Don't need to do much and just suck you In
KT: I,
Oti: I dunno.
KT: from night until Dawn, until Sunlight. Ooh. How are you feeling? Myah.
Oti: So good. I am glad that this exists. I'm Glad that we can get to a space where we can get to watch an anime movie in IMAX.
KT: man.
Oti: You know what you know what I was thinking, like what other anime would've been just breathtaking in IMAX. Yeah. I can't get past Attack on Titan and just seeing how,
KT: just
Oti: need it. just just Do like a retrospective? I don't know. Yeah. we need it.
KT: Sasha and her potatoes.
Oti: Yeah, Have you ever seen a potato in IMAX?
KT: I saw How to Train Your Dragon. We have fun, don't we tea?
Oti: Oh dear. Ridiculous. You get consult sued.
KT: Really? Yeah. I'm not the one putting the women's at the bottom.
Oti: Ah.
KT: But yes, for all those that have made it to the end of the episode, thank you so much. I highly doubt Sony or Crunchyroll, uh, listening or still listening. But if you are listening, please see the success of Demon Slayer as well as the recent, uh, Princess Mononoke remastering. You had an IMAX and also in cinemas. This is the time there's a whole audience and they're willing to put on their pants and hopefully shower and go to the cinema and watch these anime on the big screen 'cause a Attack on Titan. And I'm absolutely here for,
Oti: you know what I just, thinking, you know how we watch the Solo Leveling movie? Yeah. For, we only got the screener and was like,
KT: After
Oti: the movie was just a recap of the first season.
KT: Yeah. Most are,
Oti: most, are I feel like now, after watching this? I'm like, I, I, I'm demanding more. I want more. Give me, give me, gimme something else. Build a story, do something. Just don't recap. Just see what this did. It could fly. You could see how much money's shrinking in if you do it properly.
KT: Yeah, but the Dan Da Dan movie was good and that was also a recap in the first
Oti: I know it's a thing. I know it's a formula. I'm just saying, I'm just dreaming here, man.
KT: Okay.
Oti: Just dreaming.
KT: Hoo.
Oti: Woohoo.
KT: Thank you friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. We do promise we'll get back to our regular scheduled programming next week. Um, we're gonna finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference. Oti, what's you got?
Oti: Oh, I'm gonna reference Chainsaw Man. It's different in tone, but you still get to the, the plot twists are wild.
KT: It's
Oti: a, it's not really a slow burn, but if the story gets so much better and deeper and you'd wonder what the hell this anime has the right to be this good, Chainsaw Man is that, and it's coming in I think there's a movie coming out in October as well. So this is the perfect Time to like, just prep up, you know, watch it so that in October you're also back in the cinema. watching Chainsaw Man.
KT: Um, I wanna ask you a question. So I watched a few episodes and then dropped off, but we said I'll rewatch, I'll rewatch and finish it off. Uh, before the film, uh, the world seemed interesting, like you don't need to spoil too much, but I have a question specifically. Like the world seemed really interesting about the way that they're like a hunting association, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but the trailer that we watched for the movie coming up just seemed like he was on his simp shit. So is the show a bit of both or does it kind of stop being about hunting and more about him being a young man, finding his way in the world,
Oti: There's we lot anime tropes and all? that. like there's a little bit of that shit sprinkled around, but
KT: the
Oti: core, of the story sort of is geared towards more,
KT: geared
Oti: more mature sort of, not mature. That sounds, sort of sounds weird in an anime context. It's more, it's, it's different adult. It's like there's a core story behind it where
KT: I'm just asking 'cause Yeah, like two love interests in the trailer and I'm like, big whoop. Aren't he supposed to be hunting things right now?
Oti: Yeah, well like where the movie, where the. That movie sort of starts and where the show ends, like there's a lot going on. that I feel like if I say it, sort of spoils.
KT: Okay,
Oti: Give, give it, give Chainsaw Man a go. It sort of changes it, its script flips itself in a, in the most glorious of ways. And you'll enjoy it. You'd love it.
KT: Mature and glor, eh? Okay. It's up to you. You're welcome.
Oti: The good birds in the
KT: Plebs. Friends and lovers. I'm sad we never did a full review of
Oti: We did not. Never.
KT: We,
Oti: Oh, we should.
KT: The way we recite and reference Plebs and we've never done a full review episode is actually wild and I would reference it, but I actually have a different reference.
Oti: All, okay. I'll see you.
KT: I'm very excited.
Oti: Uh, not so much for the animation style.
KT: It doesn't look bad. You just caught it beautiful. You said.
Oti: did. I'm just trying to call you out. It's grungy.
KT: It's grungy.
Oti: Okay. Alright. If you want some more grunge looking, anime go or watch
KT: you're talking about beautiful grungy, then you're talking about skater boy Avril Lavigne. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like it's grungy and it's cool and it's gritty. I wouldn't necessarily call it beautiful. That didn't mean I said it was ugly. It talks to the
Oti: aesthetic. It does. It does. Uh, I'm just playing with you.
KT: Play with your love interest when you should be fighting all those demons and shit.
Oti: they're all on the same.
KT: I'm ignoring you, uh, friends and lovers continue to, uh, engage with the podcast, independent media and all of that. Um, it's cool. You know what? Sometimes I have to get my shit off. I have to get our shit off if you're nasty. Um, you know, we are an independently, I would say, whenever you see our name anywhere, whenever we're doing things, it's literally us ownership IP. The blueprint is by me. Um, and it's cool. It's cool that we get invited to media screenings, but specifically at IMAX for an anime, uh, and also be able to interview, uh, the voice actors as well. That's cool too. But, um, if you wanna continue to follow us as far as the social Media wheels fall off on, uh, Twitter, Instagram, uh, we're @ForYourRefPod,
Oti: Write us an email, hello@fyrpodcast.com. Uh,
KT: can also, uh, rate us if you like The highest level Hashira, uh, podcast, uh, friends and lovers, and we'll see you guys next week.
Oti: See you. Wow.
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