Air Force One – Blouse arrest
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Wring out your sweaty silk blouse and assume the position of patriotism. Trace the goddamn call with Air Force One this week.
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KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, but it is our very first Oti. It took us our fourth year to finally cover Harrison Ford. Mhmm. Han Solo who? Indiana Jones who? Not today. Get off my reference. Let's let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and red, white, and blue lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. I've got your host, KT.
Oti: And Oti.
KT: Wring out your sweaty silk blouse and assume the position of patriotism. Trace the goddamn call with Air Force One this week. Stopping on my Air Force Ones.
KT: And there's your Pride and Prejudice Atlanta, friends and lovers. And for a Nelly reference, a bandaided. Welcome, welcome friends and lovers, one and all. I recall Glenn Close, and I would also mention, we cover a lot, friends and lovers, in regards to the tonality, you know, a lot of heavy real life shit, but also in regards to different genres, weebs. We see the downloads on Demon Slayer and even Naruto to this day. But we always try to, you know, throw some back, you know, to the average moviegoer. And, you know, that includes Fatal Attraction,
KT: for example. It includes horny boy Michael Douglas, The Game. And today, we are covering what I would imagine a lot of people are finally like, oh, okay. We've made it through all of the episodes because you're nasty, and we can finally listen to a review of For Your Reference and be spoiled in all of the sploosh places. Mhmm. Let's get into general stats and information because there is absolutely a lot of eagle soaring things to talk about in this film. Oh, wow. Spoiler spoiler spoiler, Scooby Doo antics, Scooby Doo antics, Scooby Doo antics. Never
KT: have I admired Scrappy Doo more than watching the action scenes in this film. Wow.
Oti: Wow. You're firing shots this early, man.
KT: Well, they're more accurate than the shots in this film. In regards to release date, this is a sweet slice of cinema, July 1997, directed by Wolfgang Petersen, written by Andrew W. Marlowe. In regards to starring, Oti has already hinted a second Glenn oh, actually, no. It would be a third Glenn Close because we've also covered The
KT: Shield.
Oti: Oh, shit. I forgot she was in that. Naive motherfucker.
KT: We cover Tehran will remain to be seen. Right, Oti? But in regards to we have many firsts, actually. So bring out your bingo cards, friends and lovers, Harrison Ford, Gary Oldman, Paul Guilfoyle, as well as William H. Macy. Mhmm. I don't know. You know, I I am quite new to the Macy love train. However, I would imagine him to be more believable as Shameless than a clean shaven man that I'm supposed to follow the instructions to catapult out of a plane. It's it's it's very much giving captain lammers.
Oti: Oh, a 100% captain lovers vibes.
KT: It's been a while since we've given an Archer reference, friends and lovers. Go and check out our Archer episode that we have. But who? Oti. Oti. Oti. Budget, $85,000,000. Mhmm. Friends and lovers, particularly our American friends and lovers, I don't genuinely believe it's physically possible to have all of those conference rooms on that plane. I believe in the American dream, and that American dream would tell me that if they wanted a million conference rooms on a fucking plane and business was that important
KT: that they would have it. I just don't the the science isn't sciencing. You just not see the shit out there. It was give yeah. It was giving me very much Twilight Zone. Black Lady Sketch Show twerking on the wing of a plane.
Oti: The
Oti: bloody airbus is now that you'd fucking lose your shit over.
KT: Well, know your best friend Jennifer Aniston was in a jacuzzi.
KT: So budget of 85,000,000 and a worldwide gross of $31,515,000,000 dollars Oti.
Oti: Oh, they're midbank.
KT: That's a lot of patriotic dollary dos. Absolutely. Okay. Well, let's get into first impressions. Again, this is a highlight because this is the first time we've covered Harrison Ford. But you've mentioned particularly that you've enjoyed this film. I I guess enlighten us to how many times you've watched it and where have you found it in the twenty twenties, my love?
Oti: Like you said, watch this, I think,
Oti: year it came out, if I remember correctly, and wow, I was blown away. I enjoyed it. And I think rewatching it now, this is my second time rewatching it. Okay. So rewatching it now, although, like, lines, they just flew over my head. Was like, what the fuck? This is fucking hilarious. I enjoyed this movie thoroughly.
Oti: It was funny. It didn't take itself too seriously.
KT: And you I think it did take itself
Oti: Did not take itself seriously.
KT: Mate, from the very first scene, we had sentimental patriotic music in the background. Come on.
Oti: Yeah. That's a joke.
KT: No. Oti Oti, you're you're still in the Yaya loose pill pocket matrix. I don't think it was supposed to be a joke.
Oti: No. I I I just mean that the delivery, the throwaway comments, I I fucking loved it. You could tell how serious they wanted to be. But to me, it came all fucking lighthearted and it was just bloody fun.
KT: Because this was a this was a fucking horny love letter to America, was it not?
Oti: It was. It was. And there's nothing wrong with it because America. And this encapsulates the nineties so much. Yeah. The action, the sort of action movie during that time, it was just bloody, so much nostalgia
Oti: came through it. And I was like, yeah, I'm in for this. And I loved every single bit of this. I I laughed at the sweating through your silk blouse. You know? Of course you She needed a clever retort to that. But, anyway
KT: Yeah. I think I think what have been really fun or maybe we would have rolled our eyes, like, in hindsight.
Oti: It would have been very fun for her to have a little tit for tat. Yeah. Not not just swallowing to be like, release all the hostages. Look like, no. Come back. Clap back. Anything.
KT: She could have been like, I'll bottle it and I'll sell it to you. Like, I don't know. I don't think OnlyFans was there that back then. It would have been nice for her to because she was very much playing not necessarily the straight man because I would say that would be Harrison Ford, but she was really playing it straight. She was very serious. It would have been nice to have her diffuse a bit of the tension as well, I think. You could tell she was very pragmatic.
Oti: She didn't want to veer off her trail of thought, no one swayed her in any way, which was, you know, she was loyal to her fault sometimes. People are trying to get her to be bloody president and she was like, yeah, nah. So, you know and this is what actually I've been talking about people, you know, it's always about fucking self interest all the time. Uh-huh. It was plenty of breath of fresh air saying someone just sticks to the moral.
KT: I think she was playing into
KT: one of the team, one of the cohorts was mentioning that the vice president essentially the queen of England, she's got no power. So I think, you know, her character, Kathryn Bennett was kind of playing into the eunuch type of character that doesn't necessarily have the proverbial balls to execute any sort of orders. I don't necessarily think it was nobility. I just think it was a lack of sharp shooting execution.
Oti: No. I think it was just more towards loyalty. Everyone in this space
Oti: has some fucking ambition and that's why she was sitting there as a bloody vice president.
KT: So ambition is the president, not vice president. It's a stepping stone. Mommy, I wanna grow up to be the vice president. I don't think maybe Kamala. I don't know.
Oti: It's it's not a throwaway. It's not a throwaway position. And you you've not watched Veep. If you watched Veep, you'd understand.
KT: I thought you were gonna give me, like, a real life example. Fuck real life. It's like you you you open the blinds to the burning fucking fire of reality, and then you close the blinds and watch patriotic shit like this. That's what I guess before we get carried away in film discussion, I wanna get into my first impressions. You know, we're very happy of the films that we cover, but it might be maybe even glaringly so. There's a lot of
KT: go to films that other film podcasts cover that we just don't really dabble in, and it might just have to do with the fact of our interests. But again, I'm very new to Harrison Ford. I I wouldn't I feel like if I say serviceable, I'm going to get in trouble. I feel like he's cool. I feel like he's obviously very handsome. I don't necessarily see the the gravitas, the the sort of charm, but I can see why he's lasted decades.
Oti: Continue to dig your groove, mate. Oh, go off, king.
KT: You can archaeologically dig just like Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones. Is it as sacrilegious to indigenous people as Tomb Raider is? Aren't they all? And that friends and lovers in a nutshell is why I can't enjoy modern cinema. I
Oti: actually PC baby.
KT: Yeah. Didn't you know we're the first black film podcast? Because
Oti: we bring Credigree?
KT: We do. South Park Friends and Lovers. So in any case, I don't think I was even aware of Air Force One, but I really enjoyed it. Oh, wow. Just like Friends and Lovers, I can surprise you from time to time. Just like we enjoyed Venom: Let There Be Carnage. Mhmm. You know, it just happens. You open your heart, Friends and Lovers, and you see what film feels reside in your heart chambers. Wow. That's surprising. Right? I wanna cover a couple of themes before we talk about the character. I regard Oti as the encyclopedia
KT: for the podcast. You know, we joke how I watch nothing and Oti pretty much watches everything. What would you say are your favorite, like, quintessential 'Murican sort of films? Because this absolutely fits the brief. Are there any others you wanna throw into the mix?
Oti: Independence Day.
KT: Okay.
Oti: Rocky.
Oti: Anything Michael Bay has done.
KT: Including Ambulance?
Oti: Ridiculous. Including Ambulance.
KT: Something that I wanted to touch on in this film is well, first of all, there was not necessarily a social commentary, but there was definitely dialogue, you know, trying to address beyond the fictional sort of characters that we had. And there there was it was particularly at the start of the film where I think it was coined as the be afraid speech that president James Marshall had. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on it because
KT: in a world where I guess we're trying to be more conscious of issues that are not only affecting us but others, again, sending love to our American friends and lovers because it is continuing to be a fucking dumpster fire over there. But there was a general speech of, you know, president James being ashamed, I would even say that, you know, America took too long to intervene and they should have done it earlier and not when, you know, there was a very real threat
KT: on American shores. And I kinda wanna get your thoughts on it because it was introduced, but I don't necessarily feel as though it was executed very well. Thoughts?
Oti: I I think it was more to do that the political interests align. That's when they felt, oh, we need to take action. In part, I agree with what James Marshall was saying that they needed to be more proactive because we've seen situations where, oh, we're gonna sit back until things you know?
Oti: We feel like it's gonna affect us. That's when we jump in, and people suffer through that. So I agree with that aspect, but I do understand what you're saying. Well, it's all bloody fucking self serving anyway. Yeah. At the end of the day, we've had situations like, you know, be it bloody genocide in Rwanda, where everyone just stood back and watched, you know, including the fucking UN.
Oti: You look
KT: But back they were the first ones to flee. They were there to help until shit got real and then they flee.
Oti: Yeah. You look back at such situations and like, bruh. Yeah.
Oti: So I get I get that there needs to be that action. There needs to be that proactiveness in in defending other people. Yeah. So I I can't fully jump on the bandwagon of you being like, this
Oti: is not right.
KT: But just very quickly, if we're talking about institutions that are potentially skewed hashtag Free West Papua, but also going back to the film, I'm saying that the dialogue was there. I'm not negating that it wasn't there. I'm just saying I don't think it was very effective
KT: because he felt that way, but is he really going to follow through and do the work for it? Because again, all of his advisers, all of his team were like, yeah, we can't deliver that.
Oti: It was more he shouldn't say that because the minute he said that, it it it turned it into a bloody policy that they had to they
Oti: had to put in place. Yeah. So it was more, oh, mate, you you've just pushed your career down the dumpster fire. Yeah.
KT: Well, I I guess that's part of the problem because politicians don't run for policy, they run for elections. So they're only really going to Band Aid shit until they get to the next fucking election. Fact. So that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that he might have felt bad in that particular moment but even without his advisors, I don't think he had the wherewithal.
KT: I don't think he had the stamina to continue to fight in the ring, brother. That's what I'm saying.
Oti: Twenty more minutes extended in this movie after they've been rescued and it goes back to normal
Oti: BAU stuff. You understand that you get to see the point where a, he's very well, he's popular until, you know, all that shit wears down. Yeah. And once he tries to get this policy in place, it's not gonna pass. No one's gonna do shit like that.
KT: The word of today, Oti, filibusting. Cut. How you got all these progressive democrats and still nothing gets fucking passed? We
KT: can all roll around in podcasting, but there's some real fucking shit that isn't happening. But anyway, who knew who knew the president promising big things would get us political on the podcast Oti? Mhmm. I I'm actually surprised because I I did feel the pepperings of patriotism in this film, but I didn't realize it would actually attempt. I don't think it executed well. But I'm surprised that it actually tried to attempt some sort of reflection on the American sort of politics. So I thought that was quite interesting. But again,
KT: it kind of brings me to his daughter. And there's definitely something about, you know, being a prepubescent and wanting to understand the world and, you know, potentially wanting to grow up too soon. But really also, when you're young, you don't know what the boundaries are and the reason for those boundaries. Right? So so that's a very human experience. But what I didn't care for was the daughter acting like going to, you know, a refugee camp is like going to a zoo. I didn't care for that. Oh. Am I wrong though? Am I wrong?
Oti: She's a kid.
KT: She was 12 years old. She was old enough to know that you don't treat other humans like animals. It was disgusting. Oh, daddy. Well, she was like that fucking spoiled kid in Willy Wonka. But instead of asking for stupid material things, she was asking to see humans in squalid conditions. Disgusting.
Oti: Well, well, there's that bit, but I don't think it was more meant towards,
Oti: hey, let's let me go and see these people because it'll it'll be like a bloody zoo. It was more hard trying to feel adult and see how war affects people. But James Marshall pulls pulls her back and, you know, she's still a kid and she has to enjoy life before she understands fully
Oti: how fucked up the world really is.
KT: No. We need to go back to that scene because it was it was a curiosity
KT: that she wanted to know what happened in the refugee camp that I didn't necessarily care for. Put some lip gloss on. Kiss your friend. That's what you do when you're young and you're trying to figure out the fucking world. Coming at coming of age films is that. Not going to a fucking refugee camp.
Oti: Tony Thani coming of age, slum tourism, mate.
KT: Well, that's what I said when we're watching this film. She was the first iteration of slum tourism. She was the fucking creator. You can say voluntourism,
KT: but it's the same fucking thing.
Oti: That was in jest. I I just think I I see what you're saying. I just felt that it was more trying to protect her from revealing too much of how fucked up the world is and her interest in trying to be grown up and being like the dad. At the end of the day, she's the daughter of a president. She wants to
KT: So she's insulated from real life issues. Issues.
KT: She doesn't know how to relate to the common man.
Oti: No. No. No.
KT: We're doing this. We're doing this. Well, I don't know why you wanna protect this little kid. We've talked about shit like this to many a degree, and I don't understand
KT: why you're holding back now.
Oti: I'm not holding back. It's more I understand the intention of what of which it was meant, you know. I think up to me as this girl wants to go look at refugees as, you know, like she's at the zoo. It was more she wanted to just experience what their dad is experiencing and seeing the effects of war and all that and trying to possibly
Oti: I'm just trying to understand all that. But, anyway, I I do see I do see where you're coming from, though.
KT: Friends and lovers, Oti seems to have been radicalized
KT: by some forums.
Oti: Go and rewatch the scene and we'll all agree.
KT: I don't know, man. I I can see this is going nowhere. I thought we were going to get to a real place of healing and of growth, But I guess Oti hasn't done the work and he's not ready for this conversation.
Oti: I've been doing the work. Wait. There's no work left to be done.
KT: All all that little girl had to do was stand there like Jake Sully at the end of the film and be like, you aliens never understand. Well, let's let's get back into the film. In regards to the themes, so you you don't necessarily think that
KT: Kathryn Bennett was a I wouldn't say she was a bumbling vice president, but I do wish she had a bit more teeth.
Oti: I was quite impressed by her, actually. I think she did what she called in the situation she was thrusted upon. She stood up to to the senior execs there in the boardroom Mhmm. And making fully aware that, hey, regardless of what you think should happen, this is my stand, I'm gonna be loyal. And she didn't she didn't she didn't bow like she didn't cower.
Oti: Even when she was talking to Ivan and Ivan was being all demeaning, she didn't flinch.
KT: Oh, but her nipples are flinching.
Oti: Yeah. But the silk blouse was covering over.
KT: If it's not political, it's nasty, friends and lovers. That's the genre you find us on your podcatchers, friends and lovers. Mhmm. Speaking of, I'm gonna talk about Gary Oldman. I really enjoyed him in this film. I think a lot of the enjoyment, especially the dialogue that you're talking about comes from Ivan's character.
KT: Mhmm. What would you say? Would you say he's your favorite?
Oti: He would he would because he speaks facts. Yeah. Like, he everything he said was not wrong. His actions might be questionable,
Oti: but everything he said up to those, up to that point was like, yeah, that's right. That's true.
KT: Forehead kissing aside, I do like the real conversation he was having with Alice because again, 12 is old enough to understand the world that is going on around you and to stop fucking painting your father with a patriotic eagle soaring brush.
Oti: My dad's a good man. You're a terrible man. What the fuck is the difference, stupid fucking Just a second ago, she's all she should be caring about is lip gloss. Now you're holding her to account to understand that the father is is killing millions of
Oti: thousands of people.
KT: Correction. I said she's old enough to know that gawking at a refugee camp isn't isn't correct and it's wrong, and it's pretty much demeaning people to being in a zoo.
Oti: Okay. Moving on.
KT: Don't come at King KT. You're gonna miss. Oh, wow. But my point is, what I was enjoying between the particular dialogue with Ivan and Alice was, you know, really trying to challenge her idea because I think for a lot of the time as a child, as an impressionable child, formative years, you don't know anything really. All you know is what you've been told, the dogma of it all. Right? And the impressions that she have is essentially just regurgitating from her parents Yeah. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Again,
KT: we'll we'll we'll leave it offline because the we we need to focus on other stuff, But I really didn't like that refugee camp. Like, I just didn't like it. You know, maybe she'll maybe she'll run for president in Haiti. Wow. Sweet Micky for President? Yeah. Go and check out the documentary, friends and lovers, where Pras helped to campaign and Wyclef tried to run for the presidency of Haiti. Weird thing is they fuck actually achieved the blooded coal. Yeah. So maybe Alice has a chance. It's a wild documentary. It is. Absolutely.
KT: But I really love the challenging that Ivan had because maybe up until this point, you never really questioned it. But I also love the exchange that Ivan had with James, you know, in being how is it different? Just because you do it in a suit and tie doesn't mean it's any less malicious. If anything, it becomes more clinical, which kinda makes it worse.
Oti: Yeah. You have the emotion removed. You you you you you you feel like, oh, I'm a good person, but at the end of it, hundreds of thousands of people have died. Yeah. He brought up the the the actual, you know he brought up the receipts. Yeah. You're killing thousands of Iraqis just because of oil. Yeah. And just to suit your political fucking interest. Yeah. And then you're coming at me for what? Yeah. Facts,
Oti: man. It's it's all it's all fact. She can't run away from it.
KT: Yeah. Absolutely. Alice can't run away from it either. Twelve years old or otherwise. She's gonna grow up to be a Lena Dunham if we don't pull her into Lion Oti.
Oti: Nah. I don't wish that to anyone, man.
KT: Amy Schumer?
Oti: Oh, yeah.
KT: I don't know. But like you said, perhaps we weren't supposed to agree with Ivan on a lot of the sentiment, but I think that's also why, you know, DC specifically executes very well,
KT: you know, the villain. Right? The the the coming of. And I Joaquin Phoenix, Joker two is being worked on Oti, and Lady Gaga is currently associated with it. Yeah. The relatable villain is the thing. Wow. You really just ignored that film news? Yeah.
Oti: No. From Killmonger, we we've understood that, you know, a, you can detest their fucking action Yeah. But the thought process and their thinking and what they're saying is facts Yeah. And you can agree with that bit. Yeah. Absolutely. And at the end of the day, everything Ivan was saying, I was like, yeah, cool. Me. Yeah. There's no debate here. And James, I'm pretty much sure he also agreed because at the end of the day, he did not say, oh, no. Yeah. You know? It's it's more the actions of, oh, America,
Oti: red, white, and blue.
KT: Yeah. But then, like, the Russian flag is the same colors too. So are the British flag. But I don't know. Maybe they made it to the trademark office early, perhaps. But there was there was definitely some truth that was being said, and there was so many notions where I rolled my eyes. I wanna come to one of the most favorite moments you had in this film because very, very early in this film, it looked as though president James was ejaculating himself outside of freedom and into the stratosphere.
KT: Yeah? And I was having a field day. I was really enjoying myself because in his speech, he's like, oh, we need to do more for foreign shores albeit ignoring his domestic affairs. And that was such a tasty line, I said, and we had a good muy caliente time. And what happened when we found out he was actually on the plane the whole time?
Oti: The domestic affairs were tight.
KT: I smelled I smelled George Clooney coming out of your fart. You were so fucking smug. You were so proud of yourself for doing nothing and not being involved in this film. You were so proud of yourself.
Oti: Mate, do you do a podcast? Did you really think you'd leave the bloody place?
KT: And you're like, I'm gonna stand by my man. Uh-huh. No shame. No shame. What did you think about the action scenes? Is I guess while we're speaking, Harrison Ford, where does he rank with like action stars for you?
Oti: With growing up with Indiana Jones, I wasn't really into Star Wars back then. So it'd be up there. It would be up there because well, what? That's all we had to watch. So no, I just took him as one of the go to action figures
Oti: back then.
KT: Alright. I don't know. Maybe maybe you just had to be there.
Oti: In hindsight, you're like, no. But he he is good. He's he's good people.
KT: Well, I I can find myself, you know,
KT: nourishing my pussy valley watching Denzel, like in Training Day. So I think I am capable of like enjoying cinema of past decades. I just I just don't think Harrison Ford rides my motor like that. Mhmm. That sounds like a title for The Boys by the way.
Oti: Let's talk about Xander Berkeley playing agent Gibbs. He has a face of an evil person and he does a lot of evil shit rules.
KT: I guess while we're here, friends and lovers, shout outs to our beloved Ben from Filmbusters. He prompted us to start watching Terminator. We've watched two out of the six, so look out for a main review episode, friends and lovers. But he was also exactly the archetype that you're mentioning here. Mhmm. Yeah. And it wasn't surprising that he'd be bad.
Oti: But the most shocking thing to me at least is if everyone that knew you were involved died, why continue to pursue that route? Won't you just pretend? Oh, I don't know how they got into the plane. I don't know. They could have forced him into opening their hatch. Anything really.
KT: Man, Oti, for someone that didn't like the motives of Littlefinger and Ashur, you definitely move in slimy motherfucker ways.
Oti: Slimy motherfucker survive. And that's why I'm like, mate, agent Gibbs should have been like, this is an opportunity for me. No one's ratted me out.
Oti: Do you think Ashur do you think Ashur would be like, oh, I've betrayed Spartacus and no one found out, so let me let me just try and kill him just because. No. He'd be Spartacus' best friend. It fucking massages feet.
KT: Agent Gibbs needed to be that slimy motherfucker. Rest in peace, Andy Whitfield. Also friends and lovers, go and check out our Spartacus episode. I know this is a surprise, but I don't agree with a lot of things you're talking about today. Wow. No. I would go down Dido with this ship. I would go down in my convictions. Because at the end of the day, all you have to hold on to is your dignity.
Oti: Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm. Yourself. What dignity is there in dying a useless nonsense
Oti: death?
KT: No. A well deserved death. I'll see you in Valhalla. No. No. Not you because you're not gonna die honorably, you Ephialtes motherfucker. We also have an episode on 300 Friends and Lovers. But I really liked agent Gibbs, but, you know, like Michael Ealy, whenever you see him on the screen, he's going to snatch up your wife. You just knew when you saw Xander Berkeley, you knew that he was the bad guy.
KT: Like, was very obvious and very shout outs to our fellow Australian, Callan Mulvey. He's not the one to take long walks on the beach. You know he's an evil motherfucker. Facts. What did you think about so so you don't have any sort of, like, kudos for agent Gibbs? Because I think there's a lot of respectability.
Oti: No. There's respectability in trying to, you know, get your own, but respectability betrayed your people. No. No. I feel like I do get his, you know, demeanor up until the point where everyone else who could pinpoint him has died and they still went through. I'm like, these sort of characters, it's going against the sort of archetype. If you're a fucking slimy motherfucker, you stay slimy up until the end. I
KT: don't know about that, sir. Says more about you than me. Just like 13 Game of Death said a lot about you, sir.
Oti: There's a lot of edited KT material out of that episode.
KT: Do you wanna release the Oti tapes?
Oti: Yeah. The Speaking of releasing confidential information, what did you think about the fumbling of the fax in this film? There were two black characters in this movie.
KT: Wow. What a natural segue, Oti.
Oti: It'll come back to the fax. Don't worry.
Oti: And both of them played arguably arguably
Oti: the most pivotal role
KT: Yeah. I can hear the arguing.
Oti: The movie.
KT: I can hear the arguing. Yeah. It's happening.
Oti: We had Mysterio Freeman playing postmaster general. How fax saved the movie, mate? Facts. You can't you can't run away from it. All the shooting does nothing if the fax doesn't get through. All those people jumped out of the plane because of her. Wow. She should be the bloody picture on the poster. Forget bloody James Marshall. No. Postmaster Air Force One.
KT: You could start your own podcast of remembering
KT: black characters names, not even secondary, tertiary in the background for one second extras. You could start your own podcast podcast because you're very convincing. You're very persuasive until you remember that you've also seen the film and how little impact these characters have had. Are you saying the fax the fax didn't play a role Up in them
Oti: until it wasn't. Okay. I'm just saying if if if the poster was being redesigned now, Postmaster would have been pretty much a big figure in that.
KT: Friends and lovers, if if you are fractured by
KT: the the casting of a lot of black characters, we do love Boyega. We also love Donald Glover. But, you know, if you're getting threatened by black casting in your sci fi films, I'm also I'm almost certain that Oti has a hand in that. He is writing letters. He is picketing. He is he is really advocating to get more black characters in your beloved sci fi friends and lovers.
Oti: I'm the black savior they've been wanting, mate.
KT: Not the one they yeah. Not the one they need. Wow. Thank you.
Oti: Thank you for that. I did tie in the fax, didn't I? There wasn't irrelevant.
KT: Sure. Absolutely. We we didn't really want to talk about it, but I do kinda wanna just mention the use of score in this film was very interesting in the sense that it was very much the blueprint of the American Idol sob story. Like every time there was any sort of, like, I already felt manipulated at the start of the film, the way that they were contorting our emotions to particular a very American sort of sentiments.
Oti: Yeah. It was all America, America's this, America's that. Even like like you said, every score, every scene, was too doo doo. America is great.
KT: And you hear that by default when you see the black characters. Right? Yeah.
Oti: And even when coming to cut the wires, oh, green and what? Green and what? There wasn't an inkling that he had. It was, you know, yellow. No. He was just like, red, white, and red, white, and blue will save me. Yeah. Oh my word. It was so cringe. It was so cringe.
KT: Okay. So you started this episode saying you love the cheesiness and now you're saying it was so cringe.
Oti: I love the cringe, can't I?
KT: I suppose.
Oti: Yeah. It was cringe lovable.
KT: Wow. That's a genre. Check out Oti's Letterboxd, friends and lovers. Mhmm. Okay. Well, let's end with this Oti. We started off with some real shit to say, and I think we're going to end with some real shit to say. What are your thoughts on, you know, on well, this isn't what I want your thoughts on. But unfortunately,
KT: there are even, like, elementary schools in America that have heavily barricaded like, you know, security before getting into the school, having an appointed police officer. So that's not what I want your opinions on. But, you know, America is very much a individual first protection sort of country. And you can all you can also imagine how that would extend to the president's plane. Right? So this is what I want your thoughts on. What are your thoughts on the fact that this was such a, you know,
KT: coded mission that they were able to infiltrate it so easily? Because we didn't have Omar Sy in Lupin. So how like, do you think it was more smart on Ivan's crew or it was lack of smarts for the Americans?
Oti: I think Agent Gibbs played such a big part in them getting through as well.
KT: But how about the fingerprints? Because they actually had to replicate.
Oti: Yeah. So it was easier enough. Once they had identity to the people that would be allowed,
Oti: mate, just chop them off and take them.
KT: Alright. Quick and easy. Captain Oti Phillips, am I right? Yeah. And it's not like they had photo identification,
KT: which was also I'm like, why not? But they are biometrics so that counts for something. But
Oti: I just say, I don't think it was like a major flaw or a or plot hole because it was easy. They had an insider and they knew the details of the people who are going to go in there. So replicating their identities would have been easy as
KT: But there was a lot of talk about how America is such a robust country and how they prided themselves on, you know, being impenetrable. That's more what I'm saying.
Oti: Yeah. You can pride yourself in in a lot of things, but doing
Oti: it is a different thing altogether. Wow. Mhmm. They used to say I'm quite the wise one. So
KT: Well, you, Oti. I guess we'll leave it there, friends and lovers.
KT: Thank you, friends and lovers. Hopefully, we've detonated any of the problematic bombs you've had in what Air Force One. We're gonna finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference,
KT: Oti.
Oti: In honor of the vice president, I'm gonna reference
Oti: Veep.
KT: That's a reference.
Oti: It is.
KT: That's what we're doing. Well, if you wanna take it all the way there, I'm going to reference Venom: Let There Be Carnage. What?
Oti: I'll I'll I'll eager to see how you tie tie this reference into the movie.
KT: Murica.
KT: There you have it, folks. If you would like to tie our red, white, and blue on Twitter and Instagram, we're @ForYourRefPod. Write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. We're also on Oti side branching for all of the black characters in film podcast if you like to leave a rating and review. And we'll see you guys next week. See you. Bye.
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