A Merry Reference Christmas 2024

Full transcript of A Merry Reference Christmas 2024.

0:04KT: Howdy ho friends and lovers and welcome to the 2024 FYR Merry Reference Christmas special. Mm hmm. Whoo. Wee. Hot doggie. How are you feeling, Oti?

0:21Oti: I'm feeling great. Yeah. This year has been up and down, but can't complain too much.

0:30KT: Yeah. I think, I think the daddiest of daddies said it best friends and lovers. Do you want to quickly talk about your work quiz and how, how you think that the answers wasn't correct?

0:45Oti: They had, a question about, What are the different names that Santa Claus is known by? Uh

0:50KT: huh.

0:50Oti: I said Father Christmas because in Africa, it's Father Christmas.

0:55KT: Yeah.

0:55Oti: I didn't know fucking Santa Claus for ages. So, but that wasn't the right answer. It's some fucking Kris Kringle shit.

1:03KT: Those are the downs you're talking about this year, right?

1:05Oti: Yeah.

1:08KT: Oh, to our day ones. Thank you. We love you. We sploosh you forever. For those that are new to the For Your Reference podcast, everyone is welcome. If you're spending this festive time and it's a sad time, we can be your family. You know, pull up a film. We've got a lot to talk about. You can even fight with us. Yeah. Yeah, Oti might not hear it, but I will. Um, so grab a beverage, grab a snack, friends and lovers. We've been all up in it since February, 2019. Can you believe Oti? Yeah, we are close to six years in February. But the aliens were still building the pyramids when Oti and I first hooked up. So also shout outs, love and splooshes to our beloved friends and lovers, our patrons, we friends and lovers.

2:03KT: If you're new around here, our reviews, our full reviews are combined Ref Max reviews. Focus on the wankery layers. We talk about themes. We dissect, uh, generational trauma in characters. Uh, maybe even ourselves, friends and lovers. Uh, but we don't necessarily talk about numerical ratings. shoutouts to Rotten Tomatoes. We do contribute to the Tomatometer. But we mostly for the most part, leave the ratings for our Christmas special. So, very excited last year we did around 150 TV and film. And I think that informed how we were moving this year. So just under 60 TV and film, but we've also done more interviews that we've ever done before.

2:49KT: So again, We love yous, we love yous, we love yous, we're going to get into it, we're going to maybe Bubba Sparks, keep it right, keep it tight, but we might get, uh, all loose up in this, as well.

3:03Oti: Yeah, for sure.

3:05KT: All right, well, let's get started. We did, uh, have an episode after Christmas, which included Wonka, but if you checked out our Christmas episode, we did a quick, rating for Wonka and I actually really liked it. You won't find me, in footage of the Timothée Chalamet, uh, lookalike competition, but I really did enjoy Wonka. We are starting off with Saltburn. Bown, bown, bown, bown. Right off top of the sloppy toppy knobby, Oti. Rob's gonna love that because I'm introducing our first patron rating, Oti. Do you want to do our ratings first or do you want to do Rob's first?

3:46Oti: Ah, give Rob a go.

3:48KT: I think Rob wants a go in the grave. If you know, you know, friends and lovers, I think everybody has pretty much watched or understand the references, of Saltburn. Okay, so you can guess the rating. I'm going to read, uh, his comments first. Out of all the movies on the list, this one was talked about the most. Whether it be that filthy bathwater business or the desecration of Aussie lover boy's grave, that's uh Jacob Elordi, your best friend.

4:20Oti: All righty.

4:21KT: Or the twirling through the new crib naked moment. The whole thing left me detached and glad to be closer to the poverty line than living with these insufferable nobs. There you go. There's your Rob's knob right there. Special shouts to Richard E. Grant, who has a special place in my movie loving heart, thanks to Hudson Hawk. Well, obviously it's one of the white people in the movie. So, uh, shoutouts to Richard E. Grant, who also sounds like a Mormon, uh, prophet, but anyway.

4:54Oti: Probably is.

4:55KT: Probably.

4:57Oti: The Utah burn.

4:58KT: What do you think, Rob? It wasn't, I think it's clear that that wasn't, uh Positive rating.

5:05Oti: Yeah, clearly. I think you give it a Let's go with six

5:09KT: four

5:10Oti: Shit,

5:11KT: and that's the lowest of this average. Can you believe? Oh, actually we don't even know your rating unless you're gonna change it, but it's the lowest of this rating. How about you? What did you rate it and disgusting? How dare you because I can see Based on the Rotten Tomatoes. How dare you but uh, what did you rate it?

5:27Oti: I give it an eight It was engaging it was shot. Well, I think everything that I love about a movie was sort of captured in this so I can't sit here and And say that I didn't enjoy watching this knobs as Rob put puts it.

5:48KT: You can go somewhere else to find those knobs. Not rich knobs. So, you know, in the amateur, they can be as rich as they want.

5:58Oti: Oh, I guess so.

6:00KT: I gave it a six. Oh, okay. That was a harder rating than my King Kong one, but I, I gave, I gave Saltburn a six. Okay, well let's move. Uh, thank you, Rob. Um, we are moving to my favorite Nick Cage film, which I don't think anyone would say Dream Scenario.

6:17Oti: Oh, I, this movie started so well and it felt like it was going to be one of my favorites for this year. But somehow they just did a script flip and for that, I gave it a seven.

6:32KT: I gave it a seven too. Crispin Glover is the face that I see. When people say that they all see the same man, Crispin Glover is that.

6:44Oti: Crispin Glover. Mr. World. Yeah.

6:47KT: I'm Mr. Worldwide. And those that defines the world. Yeah, I think that's cool. Platform 7. This is a Jasmine Jobson. Jack's

7:00Oti: Jack

7:00KT: boy. Yeah. Yeah.

7:03Oti: Oh, I, I love this. I think a lot of the time. It kept us engaged. Albeit a few moments, some episodes where I felt like they could have done something to, to fasten the pace.

7:18KT: Okay.

7:19Oti: I give it a seven.

7:20KT: I gave it a 7.5. Okay. I gave it a 7.5. Moving on to more enjoyable British show to me. And I'm going to reference a non British person, Blair Underwood. We have Smothered.

7:34Oti: Oh,

7:37KT: I get,

7:38Oti: you know, it's one thing to watch Smothered and then to watch Queenie in close succession.

7:45KT: Would you be able to survive both?

7:47Oti: I don't think I would. I really do not think I would. I give Smothered a 7.

7:54KT: I give it an 8. But again, it's Blair Underwood. I still haven't watched his swinger show, but I've got time, friends and lovers.

8:01Oti: British Blair Underwood.

8:04KT: Jamaican British. Friends and lovers, we are trying the social media game. I just keep resharing the clips and Blair Underwood and his accent is one of those clips. Let's move on. This is Next Goal Wins. We are still in January friends and lovers that we don't. I thought we had a patron rating, but who would rate this?

8:31Oti: Oh, for what it was, it was a movie.

8:37KT: For what it was. And what was it?

8:39Oti: I give it a seven. I can't go into any preamble on that

8:43KT: six.

8:45Oti: Oh,

8:46KT: maybe you're the Islander.

8:48Oti: Seems like it.

8:51KT: Speaking of solidarity, we have True Detective. That's solidarity for Indigenous people, but it can also be for Jodie Foster if you want. True Detective Night Country. We have another patron rating, Oti.

9:07Oti: Is it, is it Julio?

9:09KT: No, you went to, but

9:11Oti: Ben,

9:11KT: you had the butt on your knob, but yeah, you were so close.

9:14Oti: Yeah. I was going to say Ben, but you, but

9:16KT: wanker, uh, this has been, okay. So you can guess his rating. Let me read his description. True Detective Night Country was unfairly overlooked and sidelined. We know why, and by the way, I didn't write this. This was Ben.

9:33Oti: We'll see.

9:34KT: No, check the ballots. They are legitimate. We know why two women at the heart of the show, one Native American, Oh, I thought I was going to write one lesbian,

9:48Oti: the struggling community.

9:50KT: Sorry, Ben, you so eloquently put this together, but us motherfuckers are the ones reading it. One Native American and a whole plot that makes for uncomfortable viewing for modern day Americans. Next time I should try a British accent.

10:04Oti: Get some

10:05KT: Pimm's. Is that the most British drink?

10:09Oti: Pimm's?

10:10KT: Yeah,

10:12Oti: I guess. I don't know.

10:14KT: All right. While it wasn't perfect, it pushed some boundaries, reshaped the True Detective game, which is high praise, in a genuinely interesting way, and had some profound shit to say almost every, about almost everything. What do you think Ben rated it?

10:34Oti: I think Ben, give it a 10,

10:36KT: a nine, but a nine for Ben is a 10. So, and also shout outs to Ben. He has embarked on a journey in 2024, I think. For every English film, he was going to watch a non-English film. Oh yeah. And he's leaned like his, his, his, his watchings has leaned towards Japanese cinema. and Ben was also the one that introduced us to Visitor Q, friends and lovers. Takashi Miike. Go and check out our reference. Gabe,

11:06Oti: Japanese horror, maybe.

11:09KT: what did you rate him? I love,

11:10Oti: I gave it a nine.

11:12KT: I gave it an eight. Yeah, but not for the people. I'm not for the people. Fine. You got me.

11:20Oti: I know you loved, the Woody Harrelson and, and, what's his name? All right, all right guy.

11:26KT: Insert white man.

11:28Oti: Matthew McConaughey.

11:29KT: Oh, there you go. There you go. And the reference gets the foil. Ted, we love Ted.

11:39Oti: I gave Ted an eight. I think my, the time we watched it, I felt like, It was one of the most refreshing things you'd watch on TV.

11:50KT: I gave it a 10.

11:52Oti: 10?

11:54KT: Oti is the edgelord, friends and lovers. If I'm feeling good and I'm riding it, I'm giving you 10s, 10s, 10s. Wow. Uh, okay. Well, back to your best friend, Jacob Elordi. This is Priscilla. I went and watched this by myself. I don't even see a world where Oti would watch Priscilla. Are you a fan of the Coppola family?

12:18Oti: I don't mind them.

12:19KT: Even the woman Coppola? Even the woman Coppola. We didn't like On the Rocks though.

12:26Oti: I didn't mind it.

12:27KT: Oh, piss off Bill Murray, Marlon Wayans. All right, well let's continue. Oh, I gave Priscilla a seven, by the way. Friends and lovers, for those playing at home, for all the pimps. We have Anatomy of a Fall.

12:43Oti: One of my favorite movies this year.

12:46KT: Okay. All right.

12:48Oti: I really, really love this. I give it a nine.

12:51KT: You definitely loved it more than I did. And also friends and lovers, this was one that Oti watched after the media screening. So that also gives an indication as well. I gave it an eight.

13:01Oti: No, it turned courtroom drama on its head and it's, it's, you know, It's, it was amazing to see.

13:09KT: You're still angry about the Kelly Rowland, Calandria Rowland,

13:13Oti: Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry is, goes out of his way to fucking infuriate me.

13:18KT: But you're not even angry at like the stereotypical surface level caricatures. You're not even mad at that. You're just mad that they weren't in a courtroom. You're like, why are you fucking again?

13:30Oti: Get in the courtroom. You can't have a court, you can't, your description clearly states courtroom. Did they say, did you have courtroom drama? Either way, they did not deliver what I thought this movie was going to be. Can't be talking about a case and how you're going to approach the case and never be found, nah.

13:50KT: Yeah, Luigi, maybe even Eric Adams will get to the courtroom before they do. All right, uh, moving on to The Color Purple actually while we're here. Should we rate the OG one as well?

14:03Oti: Yeah.

14:04KT: All right.

14:05Oti: I've, if it's the OG one, I'd give it a 10. Okay. It's, it's, you know, rewatching it with you. I think the things that I just, you know, you watch it back in the day. You remember.

14:18KT: But I didn't realize the brilliance of it, like performances and stuff, right? It's more like it made you feel something and then you get older and you're like, fuck, this is,

14:26Oti: yeah. Yeah. After all those years and you still watch it and you're like, fuck, and I think that's the biggest mistake I made going into this movie thinking that I was gonna get that, but it wasn't based off the movie. It's based off bloody play or musical. I don't know, but so disappointed all he had like amazing casting and just brilliant singing, but it all fell short for me when it came to the emotional pull of the original. I gave it a seven.

14:59KT: I gave it a nine. Oh, we're still talking about sing sangin, but we're in so called Australia. This was for our January 26 friends and lovers that aren't in so called Australia, otherwise known as Invasion Day. Every year we do a film or a TV show about blackfellas. This was The Sapphires. Fuck you, uh, O'Dowd man.

15:27Oti: Uh,

15:28KT: I feel like a black man.

15:31Oti: Say it. Uh, I give it a seven.

15:35KT: I gave it an eight, but not for him. Not for him. Okay, let's move on. Friends and lovers. Again, we did reference it before. Every February, we celebrate a new, or a year that has passed for the For Your Reference Podcast. And we have a Reference Degustation where we go through a particular filmmaker. I think after Scorsese, we're starting to realize that we want writer directors, not just directors. but this year we did cover Martin Scorsese and we are getting into the films. It was also because, uh, we wanted to stand in solidarity with Lily Gladstone, for the awards campaign. So eventually we're going to end, of Killers of the Flower Moon. Also while we're here, the writers and the actors strike happened this year, Oti.

16:24Oti: They did.

16:25KT: And, uh, I painstakingly declined an invite to a media screening for Killers of the Flower Moon because it was on at the time of the writers, uh, and actors strike. So we ended up watching Killers of the Flower Moon. On our own. Oh, are you ready? Yeah. Okay. So I guess while we're here on this tasting platter, let's just mention King of Comedy, Goodfellas, Aviator, Irishman, Killers of the Flower Moon. Also while we're here, friends and lovers, next February, we said it in the last episode, we're doing Spike Lee. Okay. Before that. We're doing King of Comedy. We have another patron rating, Oti. Okay. This is from Rob. As if anyone watching this didn't go, Hey, the Joker, they didn't just copy the template, they photocopied that shit.

17:20KT: It was my first watch of this and I really felt the struggle of trying to make it. The balls on Pupkin. It's all about balls and knobs with Rob Bainis.

17:28Oti: Yeah. It's clearly in the FYR household.

17:35KT: The balls on Pupkin to rock up at someone's house and drag someone along the cringe fest. It's also a clear reminder of the delusion I sometimes get that a celebrity would even consider themselves one of the people. What do you think? That was a very mixed review, but I think I, I could say that Rob enjoyed it. Uh, inferring from that description, what would you say, uh, Rob rated King of Comedy to kick off our Reference Degustation?

18:04Oti: Oof, I think he gave it a seven.

18:07KT: Eight. It didn't feel like an eight to you?

18:10Oti: No, not from that description.

18:13KT: Even the reference of the balls? Don't believe Cartman, friends and lovers. I don't have balls, so I don't know how it works. Uh, we're just gonna skip past that. Uh, what did you rate it, Oti?

18:26Oti: I give it a nine. It started off very strong, you know, a degustation. It was one of my favorites. I think it's still the favorite.

18:35KT: Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We need to get into this because I gave it a 10. I had the time of my life. Why was this not a 10 to you, sir? I take umbrage. I take Pupkin testicle umbrage.

18:52Oti: I don't, for me to be a 10, he needs to hit a lot of different spots. And while it did a lot of that, like the story, the pacing, uh, cinematography, character work. It was all there. Yeah. I tackled a little bit on some of the stuff that was happening. I think just those, you know, Pupkin with this relationship with, the girl. I think it was a black girlfriend. I don't know those moments there.

19:28KT: It's been too long. I feel like you're making that up. You could be right.

19:32Oti: I remember my black characters

19:33KT: you do

19:35Oti: and I don't know like bro,

19:38KT: he's got the black deltas, it's not the back deltas,

19:43Oti: but it's a really, really good movie. I give it a nine. I think nine is very respectable.

19:49KT: Neither are you though.

19:50Oti: Wow.

19:52KT: Oh, are you a made man? We're moving into Goodfellas. Yes, we are covering your film bro films, but we're not doing it in a way that you want us to friends and lovers. We have a, it's not a patron rating. We have another rating, Oti. Friends and lovers was a, was a June or July. I guess we'll find out soon. we covered films that were referenced in the Kendrick Lamar Drizzy Drake rap beef up until his disgusting, Oh fuck. I just made the connection, The Heart Part 6. So. Shout outs to Country Boy, One Mic Black History. we had a great conversation about hip hop in general. a lot of context that he gives in regards to his podcast, his lived experience, his love for hip hop. and we did line up to talk about The Simpsons, like J. Cole had that line. About The Simpsons, how like it's washed, like, but then we were like, nah, fuck this shit.

21:01KT: We're just going to talk about hip hop. So he didn't cover The Simpsons. So I said to Country Boy, you know, thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. You can write whatever the fuck you want. And he chose Goodfellas. Are you ready? Yeah. So this is Country Boy. It is a masterpiece of a film that utilizes narration, which could easily become boring. Sure. But instead matches. Perfectly matches the tone of the movie. It follows the lives of truly awful people. Yes. As they engage in terrible deeds, ultimately resulting in them being consumed by the very people who claim to be their friends and family. I could watch it a million times. It's perfect.

21:46Oti: Perfect.

21:47KT: That should give you a big clue. Ten? Ten. Wow. Wow.

21:53Oti: He's a Scorsese baby.

21:55KT: He's a Scorsese boy.

21:59Oti: Uh, I'd give it an eight.

22:02KT: What's your problem? Oh no, this was the falling, black people falling asleep at the wheel, wasn't it?

22:07Oti: Yeah.

22:08KT: But if Chris Rock said it on SNL?

22:11Oti: Say it again.

22:14KT: I gave it a nine, which for those that have their abacuses out, friends and lovers that averages two and nine. So we win friends and lovers, not Oti. Uh, let's move into The Aviator. No, we don't have a rating. No one wanted to rate this.

22:35Oti: I'll give this a seven,

22:36KT: six. Why seven?

22:39Oti: In as much, it felt overly long than it needed to be.

22:46KT: Yeah, you're giving negatives. You gave one more point to me. I want to know why.

22:49Oti: But I still enjoyed hearing the story.

22:55KT: Okay. Enough. The Irishman.

23:01Oti: Fast watch. I actually sort of enjoyed the movie. This was the second time I watched it.

23:07KT: Do we want to reveal? Do we want to be vulnerable? Do I want to be vulnerable? I fell asleep the first time we were watching The Irishman. I fell asleep. Oti was like chicken wing, kicking. yeah, I fell asleep the first time. So I hadn't watched it in full until we did the Reference Degustation, uh, friends and lovers and. Yeah, looking back at it, six, I'm surprised, but that's what happens. Like when you watch something, I feel like that is the truest rating. And then I guess your heart yearns for it after, and then perhaps you might give it a higher rating than what it was, but it was a six. So The Aviator is better for you.

23:52Oti: Yeah. Cause the moments, you know, narrative is very, and this is where I felt like, We need to focus more on writer directors because it kept on getting away from understanding what Scorsese was trying to do from his own point of view and what he wanted to deliver because if he's not putting pen to it, I don't really know what's, what the intention is while we are like, Oh, we're not going to show this graphic. Like, I don't know. There was just a lot of. Hippie, hippity hop backflips that was going on with this. Okay,

24:28KT: Oti Cosby, what was that? With a sagging pants and everything. Um, we finish off the Scorsese Reference Degustation, friends and lovers, with Killers of the Flower Moon. Only Murders in the Colony. I am very proud of that title, by the way.

24:49Oti: Should be. I give it a six.

24:54KT: It's a six. And the nerve of you, Dennis. Why are you even making that story? Let's just move on. Uh, Monkey Man.

25:04Oti: Oh, but I'll give us some action this year. I give it an eight.

25:11KT: Nine. Yeah.

25:14Oti: Interview bonus points.

25:17KT: No, I told you how deeply I felt about that.

25:20Oti: I know you were crying in the cinema. Jeez, man.

25:23KT: I was because I'm a fucking woman and the world doesn't fucking care. Yeah.

25:28Oti: Yeah. Yeah.

25:31KT: You still on 4chan? Oti is a menace out in these streets. friend and lovers. But yeah, one of my more, favorite interviews and not because it was the most charming Dev Patel, even though he was very distracting and very charming. not as much as Oti. Thank you for looking at me while I said that. Bringing me back to life. No, because we're able to actually connect. And unlike you, I can talk about the sexual violence of women around the world.

26:03Oti: Mm hmm. Good on ya.

26:06KT: Were you at the Dev Patel lookalike competition? I could have won. Yeah, you could have. Can I just say, friends and lovers, the audacity, Tyra Banks, how dare you turn up to the Dev Patel lookalike and also the Zayn Malik lookalike competition. Tyra Banks? We were all rooting for you. How dare you? Yeah. You only know Kenya Barris from America's Next Top Model. That just sums up our dynamic friends and lovers. Uh, let's move on, uh, Bad Ancestors. Shout out to Bad Ancestors. It got nominated for an AACTA award. Shout out to Wendy and Jess. Interview as well.

26:51Oti: Strong concepts and pilots.

26:55KT: Oh no. Okay. No, when you say concepts, okay, just go.

27:00Oti: It was a whole concept, wasn't it?

27:02KT: Yes. Yeah. I,

27:04Oti: I gave it an eight.

27:05KT: Okay. I give it a nine. Oh, good on you. Yeah. Good on me. Uh, press junket friends and lovers, there's the Eric Bana and Deborra-Lee Furness. This is Force of Nature: The Dry 2.

27:22Oti: Oh, I enjoyed The Dry way more than The Dry 2. I give this a seven.

27:28KT: I give it a six. Why are we not in sync this year?

27:32Oti: I don't know. They made some brilliant shots in the movie. Just have to say that. Because, anyway, yeah.

27:41KT: Thank you to the team at Scenario PR for The Second Best Hospital in the Galaxy.

27:49Oti: Oh, fine, fine, fine. I give this an eight. I gave it an eight too. See, in sync. What are you talking about?

27:57KT: You have Kieran Culkin talking about love places? High five, Oti. Mm hmm. It took a weird ass adult animation for us to be aligned. I love that for us. Zone of Interest.

28:10Oti: Jeez.

28:11KT: Shoutouts to Glazer, the director.

28:15Oti: Surprised I gave it a seven, but there it is. As in you gave it too much? Yeah, I thought it was a five at best.

28:23KT: I gave it an eight.

28:25Oti: So disjointed and just,

28:27KT: just in the context of the world, Oti.

28:31Oti: Context my ass, man. It wasn't

28:34KT: The fact that he worked with the Auschwitz Museum, and in his acceptance speech, he talked about the genocide that is going on in Palestine right now, and then he got silenced, and then there were people signing letters against him, that proves the point. You talked about Rafiki, and how it broke a lot of barriers and it means a lot, even if it doesn't understand like, even if Western audiences don't understand the impact of it, this is that film as well.

29:08Oti: I don't see it. I know the context behind it, but I just can't. I can't. But there it is. It's a seven. Apparently.

29:17KT: Apparently, according to you, you're the one that rated it. Alright, this is How to Have Sex. We also interviewed Molly Manning Walker as well.

29:28Oti: Great interview. great movie. A must watch for everyone listening to this. I give it a 9.

29:35KT: I gave it a 10.

29:36Oti: Mm.

29:37KT: Did you give any 10s by the way?

29:40Oti: I don't know.

29:41KT: As a spoiler alert for a preview, no?

29:43Oti: I'm not sure.

29:44KT: Okay. Uh, Perfect Days.

29:51Oti: Such a heartfelt, movie and I give it an eight.

29:56KT: I gave Perfect Days a ten.

30:01Oti: You really enjoyed it. You know, there are moments in the cinema where, you know, KT really loves something. And when she starts bawling or sitting, you know, like at the edge of a seat and just crying or, you know, This movie moved you for whatever reason. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. But not to your extent.

30:29KT: Hey man, I gotta keep my rep in these streets. Stop saying I'm crying every time we go to a sad film.

30:36Oti: I like,

30:36KT: but I love sad learning movies. That's a bit of me. That's a bit of me. Some Colin Farrell, some Lobster. It's been a while. I love sad movies. yeah, I gave it a ten.

30:48Oti: What's surprising is he gave it a ten, even though you sort of didn't agree with how they tried to

30:54KT: Because it was a fucking white man that made it! Is that what you're talking about?

30:56Oti: No,

30:57KT: oh,

30:59Oti: Mons was living his life. A happy as a Daisy until they started showing. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

31:07KT: yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, well, we are the splooshiest, nastiest, most in love with each other. Couple of friends and lovers. We don't see, we don't see the need to have children out there. And if you do. Power to you. Love you, Ronny Chieng. Love you, Ilana Glazer, is that her name? Yeah,

31:32Oti: those stand up back to back making children jokes. I'm like, bruh. Bro,

31:37KT: the world is dying. Luigi Mangione, second shout out for the podcast, but he needs help out there. Like, there's shit going on in this world. If you got a kid, cool. I'm not gonna give you your cookie, though. Gluten free, nut free, for your kid anyway.

31:52Oti: Clearly it wasn't nut free.

31:54KT: The point Free the nut. Free the nut. Free the nuts. Free the balls. Anyway, the reason why I say that, is Perfect Days, it follows that same narrative. Because the very implication that you could live A relatively fulfilled life without familial ties, without any sort of offspring, is too, it's too sobering of an idea, right?

32:30Oti: It's outside of people's comfort zone. Like you're not allowed

32:33KT: to have joy unless you have people, but whenever people talk about the problems they have, it's usually fucking people in their lives. Anyway, so the point is, Love, Perfect Days, yes, I gave it a 10, even though I do have qualms that, yeah, it could have been nice to have company, but the very, the very notion that the film had to sugarcoat that, that, oh, he, he was kind of happy, but he wasn't happy because he didn't have people in his life, and I don't think that's very fair, because what if you do have people in your life and you're fucking, you fucking just want to like, you know, escape to your Sims life that you've created.

33:13KT: I don't know. Anyway, so what you did, Oti.

33:18Oti: You're welcome.

33:18KT: I was a poppy pop gal. And then you just brought me to my, to my sad films. Uh, Robot Dreams. Also another interview.

33:26Oti: Another interview. Uh, a lot of stuff can be done with animation. I think this year has been such a strong follow-up to. Yeah, because you know, last year we had such strong contenders.

33:42KT: I think we need to, I'm just going to say it now, Oti, as the other official president of the Splooshies Awards Committee, can we have a separate animation category for the Splooshies next year?

33:54Oti: We should.

33:55KT: Okay.

33:55Oti: Should. Shake on it.

33:57KT: We're shaking and we're splooshing later. Okay, cool. Well, uh, Robot Dreams, what did you give it?

34:03Oti: Eight.

34:03KT: Eight. Late Night with the Devil, indie horror. We so back.

34:11Oti: This is one of the movies that resonated with me so hard.

34:15KT: You can scream out demons on late night television, how much can that relate to?

34:19Oti: A lot apparently. I give it a nine.

34:22KT: I gave it a nine.

34:24Oti: Hey,

34:24KT: look at that. Shout out to Aussie horror. Alright, uh, this is a comedy, Good One: A Show About Jokes.

34:34Oti: I give it a seven.

34:35KT: Seven. If, if the documentary is about you, don't throw famous people in there. I actually want to know more about you.

34:42Oti: Yeah, it was just noise at that point.

34:46KT: We are moving into, thank you to the team at Fantastic Film Festival. We are moving into, which we also watched, uh, Concrete Cowboys in.

34:55Oti: I think this is, this is, this festival.

34:58KT: It's always so interesting and exciting.

35:00Oti: At the very least in Sydney has the best catalog of films.

35:04KT: Shout out to Alexi and the team.

35:07Oti: Just amazing stuff, man. Cannot wait for next year. Oh, absolutely.

35:11KT: Mars Express. Another animated? Yeah, another animated.

35:14Oti: I'll give it an 8.

35:18KT: 8. We're not going to spoil the film, but there's a particular storyline about like, Yeah, you can call him a deadbeat dad. Yeah, you can, yeah, you can, and it's like, bruv, just cause you're not full humanoid. Anyway, we'll leave that alone, but it's definitely a film, friends and lovers, if you watch it, please hit us up. We have a lot of time. We'd love to talk about it. Oh, speaking of a film, we would love to talk about The Last Stop in Yuma County. Excuse me. How dare you? Seven Psychopaths. Which you didn't even really like, but I would put that in the collection of viewing with Seven Psychopaths. I had such a great time.

36:01Oti: Me too. And I just changed my rating for whatever reason. I had a nine there, but Last Stop in Yuma County was a 10.

36:11KT: Okay.

36:12Oti: Because I enjoyed start to finish everything about it was beautifully done. Amazing shot. You know, like there's very few movies where I'd sit and be like, Oh, that's such a beautiful shot. That was such, that was so intentional. Like, without feeling, without feeling too artsy or feeling like, Oh, look what I'm doing. You know, it's not doing Amélie. It's, it's doing it without the, the, the boastfulness.

36:42KT: Shoutouts to Julio, because when we guessed that he brought, Amélie, it was just like, Ah, this woman needs to get a grip, bro. Bro, even Zazie Beetz couldn't make her grounded, but I guess that's the point. That's the allure of Amélie. What's up with you changing ratings? I've done it once. No, it's absolutely fine, but it's like, why didn't you feel and ride the Sploosh Mountain when you were watching it? Why did you feel the need to edge?

37:10Oti: I'm half a glass of Amarula, and so,

37:12KT: Uh huh. That's not half a glass. Hold it up for our patrons. And show us what half a glass looks like in Kenya. It's half a glass. If you siphoned it, maybe.

37:26Oti: But yeah, loved it. Loved it.

37:30KT: Okay. Well, let's move on. Mami Wata. Shout out to Tems. If you know, you know, Tems is not in this film. It's just a very specific Twitter reference. Okay.

37:43Oti: Love the use of black and white in this. I give it an eight.

37:47KT: Eight. Great. Great movie.

37:51Oti: Yeah, really good movie.

37:53KT: We had a lot of African cinema.

37:54Oti: We did.

37:55KT: Yeah.

37:56Oti: Oh, I don't think Ousmane would show up here, but a lot of the movies we've enjoyed this year was due to, was, was his films.

38:07KT: Ousmane Sembène, because we didn't cover it. It's not in the Christmas special. Let's promise to do it in January. Yeah.

38:14Oti: Yeah, for sure.

38:16KT: Uh, let's move on to another African Liam Neeson's

38:23Oti: In the Land of Saints and Sinners.

38:26KT: What did you rate?

38:28Oti: I gave it an eight.

38:29KT: I gave it an eight too. Shout out to the PR company, uh, that, uh, offered the, screener for the movie.

38:35Oti: And it was good to see Joffrey acting again.

38:37KT: Yes!

38:39Oti: He's a

38:39KT: Gleeson!

38:40Oti: Yeah! Yeah! Enjoy your craft, man.

38:43KT: I don't know where they craft these Gleesons, but he's got a Gleeson chin. Moving on, Boy Kills World.

38:51Oti: Oh, H. Jon Benjamin.

38:54KT: H. Jon Benjamin. I love that. H. Jon. Benjamin comes first, not Bill Skarsgård. We do love Bill Skarsgård, though.

39:01Oti: We do. I give it an eight. It felt a bit, the pacing was off towards the end, like yeah,

39:07KT: it was eight because it wasn't frustrating.

39:11Oti: It was eight because it wasn't frustrating. Explain that

39:14KT: as in, it could have been less than an eight, but it didn't piss me off, so it's Oh. Oh, okay. Do you get me, what did you think I meant?

39:25Oti: It could have been, it could have been more if it was only more frustrating. No, leave me alone.

39:35KT: Is H. Jon Benjamin narrating you?

39:38Oti: Yeah.

39:39KT: I miss her.

39:40Oti: I miss her too.

39:43KT: Lil Nas X: Long Live Montero.

39:47Oti: I give it an eight. I enjoyed watching.

39:49KT: I did too.

39:50Oti: I enjoyed peeking behind the curtain and just seeing a little bit about

39:54KT: him, but we didn't really get to know.

39:57Oti: We got a glimpse of it.

39:58KT: Yeah, but a glimpse of social media. Why do you need a whole documentary just to tell us what it might be?

40:03Oti: Because I'm not in his socials like that.

40:05KT: But it's not even that. It's when you have a documentary, like Kurt Angle for example.

40:10Oti: Kurt Angle went there, sort of. He could have gone to the nth degree but he didn't.

40:15KT: Israel and Sanya didn't. Exactly. We have a

40:19Oti: lot of reasons why he didn't.

40:20KT: Well.

40:21Oti: We know one of the biggest ones why he didn't.

40:24KT: Well.

40:25Oti: Yeah.

40:26KT: Do you want to say why?

40:27Oti: No, it's all good.

40:27KT: Well, you got the juice. Now I

40:30Oti: do

40:31KT: friends and lovers. We are now in. Oh. I guess June was all the, uh, Sydney Film Festival interviews. We are now in July, friends and lovers, and while we have a very busy schedule, again, just taking some time, love and splooshes to the indie productions, including indie filmmakers that will contact us directly to review on the podcast, as well as big studios, uh, productions and that sort of thing. Even though we're very busy, I said to Oti, Hey, I want to cover the rap beef and I want to cover the rap beef with films that were referenced because we are a For Your Reference and we are a film and TV podcast, obviously, friends and lovers, but I also wanted to bring on people in the podcast where we could talk about how much hip hop means to them because, you know, as much as Oti and I are a black and brown space, When it comes to hip hop, I just know Kendrick Lamar.

41:38KT: I don't really know anything outside of that. And it was so nice to be able to just chop it up with our friends and lovers for years that we just haven't had a time to bring on to the podcast to talk about not just the films that were referenced, but also, You know, it's not just music. It's also a culture and it's also people, black people. Um, and we start off with Oti. We covered Juice.

42:09Oti: I give this a seven.

42:11KT: You know what? I gave it a seven too.

42:14Oti: Oh,

42:15KT: it's more than barely.

42:18Oti: Oh, yeah, I don't know. I remember growing up and really enjoying this movie. I think I'm going to stay clear of Above the Rim because in my head, it's one of my favorite ones. So I don't want to rewatch it in case of anything like that. But yeah, seven,

42:38KT: because you can have such a great time. And it'd be a seven. You know what I mean? It doesn't mean it's a bad film. Yeah, it can be a great experience. Uh, anytime there's Omar Epps, I've got a lot of time friends and lovers and Tupac as well. Very distracting. It didn't distract me from the atrocious writing, but how did you, I guess while we're here for a little second, before we dive into the rest of the rap beef, films, how did you feel with the notion of you got the juice now? Was it scary?

43:19Oti: It wasn't scary.

43:19KT: It wasn't like a Candyman? No. Okay.

43:22Oti: No. Just felt a bit corny, but.

43:26KT: Wow! Okay. Well hopefully we're not moving into corny territory. I guess we will see, friends and lovers. The Wiz!

43:36Oti: Aged nicely. I still enjoyed it. I give it an eight.

43:42KT: I gave The Wiz a 9.

43:45Oti: Hmm, could you Fonsi?

43:48KT: We have guest ratings, Oti!

43:50Oti: Oh, nice.

43:53KT: There's a reason why I did our ratings first. Okay. So we have Cameron and Jordan from White People Won't Save You. Please go and check out their podcast. Whenever it feels like the description for a movie sounds so ridiculous and there's no way I just listened to their podcast, so I don't have to watch and get frustrated or watching the movie. and also if I may plug myself, shameless. I showed up on their podcast for an Australian film called Black and White. Okay. So let me read Cameron's and you can guess the rating Cameron. This may possibly be the best and blackest film of all time.

44:40KT: Personally, I don't know if it can be outdone, and I don't think I want it outdone.

44:46Oti: 10.

44:47KT: 10.

44:48Oti: 10.

44:49KT: Jordan. Best holiday movie hands down. The cast, the music, the sets, and costumes. Black excellence. Lenny Simpson's Chef Kiss Me.

45:02Oti: Oh wow.

45:03KT: He's the black one in The Simpsons by the way.

45:05Oti: I could guess that.

45:06KT: Okay. What do you think Jordan rated it?

45:10Oti: Nine.

45:13KT: See? Well, I think, I think you brought down the rating or two, but that's okay. Oh, but The Wiz was so good. The Wiz was so much fun. Loved it. Loved it. Loved it. Let's move into The Boogeyman. Shout out to Brent from Home Video Hustle. Hustle, motherfucking hustle. And obviously, you know, that means we have a rating coming. This is a long one. So I guess, uh, get ready. I have a few questions after watching this film. Maybe I just missed the answers along the way. One, why did the dead guy's soul get trapped in the mirror in the first place? Yes, it was in the room where he was killed, but why the mirror in particular? Why not the bed in that case?

46:01KT: Why not the blanket? Why anything? Two, why were the evil glass shards able to be destroyed by water? Multiple times in the film, people are struggling to touch these pieces of glass, but the moment it hits a sink, it shoots out fire and goes away. Why? I couldn't get past two questions out of my head the whole run time. The film starts strong and has a good hook, but it just gets more and more boring as it goes on until a kill happens to pick it back up for a while. It feels so random sometimes. Random characters show up just to be killed, There are scenes that lead nowhere and have no real payoff. Scenes seem to go on way too long.

46:48KT: Not every kill is very great either. There are some good ones, but it feels like they either had to cut a lot, or didn't have money for some real good gore effects. When it ended, I was more confused than anything. Oh, three. Whose kid was that running around the cemetery at the end? I know there was one kid that was the main couples, but who was the second kid? The little homies just hang around cemeteries now. That's the thing. I'm wondering about this and asking all these questions because the film is not keeping my attention all the time. It's not a horrible movie. It's just very forgettable.

47:25Oti: This was a wild movie for me. I think he gave it, I think he gave it a six.

47:31KT: A five. That sound like a six rating to you?

47:36Oti: I was being generous because I give it a six. I agree with him that movie felt so random

47:45KT: but it wasn't like it wasn't offensively bad.

47:47Oti: It was offensive. They intentionally just did random shit to confuse you.

47:53KT: I'll take this over your Tyler Perry Calandria movie any day.

47:57Oti: Wow.

47:58KT: So would you?

48:01Oti: But I'm not saying someone's getting the

48:03KT: sausage there. You're coming for the chili. What you come for?

48:09Oti: What did you give it?

48:09KT: I gave it a seven. Hmm. I'm the highest rating actually in that. All right, well let's finish off with. Drago Andre for Pet Sematary. We obviously have a rating. This is Andre. I am biased because I was on the podcast episode long. It was so much fun talking with KT about the decade's best rap beef. We tried our best to really look at it in ways that could be personal analyses and not just points that others may have already pointed out. mentioned up until that point in the K-Dot Drake melee. Ooh, someone plays Final Fantasy. That's the only place I've seen that word. also, also Kendrick's Pet Sematary line.

49:00KT: Do you remember that? It's a K with all these lines. They're going to see Pet Sematary.

49:04Oti: Yep.

49:06KT: You said that make it clear, isolate the audio, please. Also Kendrick's Pet Sematary line was sinister enough to make us wonder if Drake was going to return in some way, but little did we know he would continue to act unconcerned in the most crowdy and legitimately bothered of ways.

49:27Oti: Oh, I think he gave it a nine,

49:30KT: a 10, 10.

49:33Oti: Wow.

49:34KT: How about you, sir?

49:36Oti: I give it a nine.

49:38KT: I gave it a nine as well.

49:40Oti: It's such a Baby Gage.

49:45KT: Baby Gage.

49:46Oti: Far out.

49:49KT: Like what more do you want? What more do you want? oh, I guess we are in need of one to Supercell.

49:59Oti: A lot to take.

50:01KT: You don't need to preamble, but you can if you want.

50:03Oti: Eight.

50:08KT: Why did you feel the need? 'cause it's not high enough.

50:11Oti: Uh, what did you do? It's not enough.

50:13KT: Eight. Uh, Unprisoned. Season two. Kerry Washington, Delroy Lindo. John Stamos, if you're so inclined.

50:22Oti: I think the first season was like a 9.5. I give this an eight.

50:26KT: Nine. Charles or Brandy Evans Blink Twice. You still haven't watched this, Oti.

50:34Oti: Yeah.

50:34KT: Jaguar Wright. Anything

50:40Oti: Jaguar Wright references? Far out.

50:42KT: Well, I gave it a six. I gave it a six. Uh, but thank you for including me in the social media campaign. It is that gal, but I meant that in a derogatory way. Reasonable Doubt season two,

50:58Oti: I give it an eight.

51:00KT: I gave it an eight as well. Kneecap. We have another patron rating, Oti. Surely you can guess who this is. Ooh, is this Ben? It is Ben. I mean, it's fucking great. It's defiant and in your face, and I had great time for the most part. I agree with the politics. Hashtag free Palestine and also hashtag liberation of all Irish people and everyone around the world. Ben's not saying that, but I'm sure he would agree with me. If he doesn't then squabble up, Ben. I appreciate that they fully embody the bullets of resistance and I'm free Palestine all day, every day. See, there you go. I've seen comparisons to Trainspotting. Have you seen Trainspotting? I haven't. And they're not unwarranted if a bit overcooked. But this is less mature, more rough around the edges.

51:56KT: And there's an unnecessarily crass attitude to things at times. I think your British is showing Ben. Did you think it was unnecessarily crass? I don't think so. I don't think

52:08Oti: so

52:11KT: either. Anyway, interesting. Ben, please, please meet DMs. I would love to hear where they were not acting towards, where they were not coloring in the lines. This comes from the youth for sure, but that's also why it's so dazzlingly bright and in your face. The main hurdle for me is Móglaí Bap can't act. This is Ben, we're putting these in quotes. Is there someone that you thought couldn't act in that movie?

52:41Oti: Not particularly,

52:42KT: right? Not enough to put it in a review. Okay, then you're on your own. You're gonna have to fight the Irish on your own. They're the fighting Irish, but we're the loving Irish. Okay. If you're going to go with the gimmick that each of you plays yourself in the movie, that's great. Two out of three ain't bad either. Mo Chara and DJ Próvaí, DJ Próvaí is probably the teacher, are superb, particularly Próvaí, but Móglaí Bap comes across as a kid doing an impression of someone they think is tough. Ooooooh. Talking from crown land is wild. Okay. Interesting. But the whole thing is so creatively executed and feels so fresh that I can excuse. A lot of the failings. Oh, I wish I had a British accent to put on right now. The overall message, the preservation of authenticity and the original language will remain long after the crassness.

53:47KT: Again, Ben! Again! Maybe you're more of a royalist than you think, Ben. Ah, this crass Irish people! Take your crumbs off the table! The original language will remain long after crassness is boiled away. I saw you googling, did you figure out who the guy was?

54:12Oti: Oh, yeah, yeah. He's the one with the beady eyes. No!

54:16KT: No, you're not supposed to add to the caricaturity! I'm assuming it's the one where, uh, Michael Fassbender is the dad.

54:25Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Him.

54:31KT: Yeah.

54:31Oti: Yeah.

54:33KT: Okay. Okay, Ben. Okay. What a review. We should like print it and just have it for inspiration. Uh, uh, the African Film Festival, we went to the opening, uh, night screening. This is Rise: The Siya Kolisi Story.

55:00Oti: I give it a seven. I think my frustrations for this have been well documented. I don't need to repeat myself. You mean the podcast?

55:10KT: Yeah, I give it a seven too. Go on, Joel, go on. Based on the ratings, he might be Irish. Oh, we love you, Ben. We love you, Ben. All right, let's move on to Queenie. Okay, we're back in Britain now. Let's move on to Queenie.

55:32Oti: Give it a seven.

55:34KT: I gave it an 8, because I'm for black women, that's why. Oh,

55:38Oti: you read the book and you're like, Oh, I'll transpose whatever's on the book and not on the show, and mark the show higher because, I now get what they wanted. No, I don't need to read a fucking book, so that I can understand Okay, J. Cole!

55:56KT: What did you say? You don't need to read books in order to understand black women. That's absolutely Jake. Um, we were in the world of black heroines. Uh, How to Die Alone?

56:24KT: I gave it an eight as well. Like, I think there were moments where, anyway, let's just leave that. We have a whole, episode of friends and lovers. Speaking of this was a full review. Was it not? Shout out to David Mitchell. Who we love, we love, we love a lot. I don't know, do you think David Mitchell would say the same things Ben said about Kneecap? He'd double down for sure. Anyway, there's no patron rating, what would you rate Ludwig?

56:56Oti: I'd give it a 9.

56:58KT: A 9? You know what, I'm not mad at that, let's give it a 9. We're getting into the Venom series, friends and lovers. Ooh, Riz Ahmed in the first Venom. How dare you, how dare you villainize a black Muslim man. But anyway, I gave it a seven.

57:17Oti: Me too.

57:17KT: So I didn't even give you courtesy. I just went straight up in there. Venom two.

57:22Oti: Eight.

57:23KT: Eight. Best of the series. Venom three.

57:26Oti: Six.

57:27KT: Six.

57:28Oti: Worst of the series.

57:29KT: Oh my God. We're aligned. Okay. Nice. Uh, shout out to the Pasifika Film Festival. There were no feature films in there. Just giving a little baby shout out. Speaking of it. Ouchie. There's a world where Reboot and Franchise exist

57:47Oti: And

57:48KT: I need to see it happen.

57:50Oti: I need a world where we get a new season of Reboot.

57:55KT: Where are the nepo babies? Make this happen, please. This is The Franchise and we have another patron rating, Oti.

58:07Oti: This one. I know Julio.

58:09KT: How do you know it's Julio?

58:10Oti: Cause he told me Julio loves, loves, loves, loves, loves, loves The Franchise.

58:16KT: Feel special Julio, because I tell Oti many things, including non podcast things that have to do with our life. And he remembers that. Okay, so this is Julio. Not quite a ten. Because Dan started getting on my nerves. Isn't surprised that Dan's the one that got on his nerves. Anyway, not quite a 10 because Dan started getting on my nerves in the second half of the season, but still incredibly entertaining, especially if you have an affinity for superhero movies. Interesting. I took it more as an auto.

58:50Oti: I'm surprised. Like we can call her Dan all you want, but we, we know who it is. What was the rating there?

58:58KT: That's what I'm saying. Guess what he rated it?

59:00Oti: Oh, eight,

59:01KT: eight. What did you give it?

59:02Oti: Seven.

59:03KT: I know. Disgusting. I gave it an eight. Now we're getting into The Moogai. It's rare that we get Indigenous horror. I just needed to reference that.

59:19Oti: Rare that we get Indigenous featured films in a calendar year that, you know, I think this is one, one of the first ones we have. Yeah. Yeah. I'll give this a seven.

59:34KT: Seven. Friends and lovers. It's in the Ref Max. It is on the internet, in social media. So I won't give a long ass rant, but this is Red One. I will reference a tweet quote. That I saw the other day, where some persnickety film Twitter person was like, Uh, turns out my family watched Red One, and would you believe they quote, had a good time. Well fuck you guys, Red One's cool, it's not that bad. But I gave it a six. I just don't have a lot of anger around it. Now we're moving into Wicked. Wicked. Oh, we can't, uh, we have another patron rating, Oti, we have two patron ratings. All right. Oh, it's still, I haven't watched, uh, Wicked, friends and lovers or patrons.

60:38KT: Maybe this could be a watch along you watch together. Okay. So this is Julio. Come on. There's no way I wasn't going to jump in to give Wicked up. Leap. Anything to get Oti to watch it ASAP. That's literally what he wrote. What do you think you rated it?

60:59Oti: Uh, nine.

61:03KT: That you read that and you 10. Okay. This is Brent. Bro. Brent is like Kenny from South Park with the quill because he brought this long ass rears. Are you ready? Babes. Respectfully, there weren't many burbs in Wicked, but anyway.

61:28Oti: But was it Butters in the morrow?

61:32KT: No, it was Kenny.

61:34Oti: Oh, it was him. I thought it was Butters when he was in Hawaii.

61:38KT: No, the, the bigger breasts you dream about, the more poetic and eloquent you are with a quilt.

61:45Oti: Big titties!

61:47KT: You can quote me. Exactly. Exactly, Oti. You're welcome. There's no natural segue. Let's continue. If you're into them, tickle biddies, dive on in friends and lovers. Okay. Brent. Yeah, I'm shocked by my star rating too. There's a hint for you. It's even funnier because I've never seen The Wizard of Oz. I've seen The Wiz though, see, me and Brent are the same.

62:15Oti: That's all that matters, I guess.

62:18KT: I know most of the story of the original, so I could still follow everything going on, but I also had no idea of what the plot of this adaptation was either, so I went in blind. At almost three hours long, it never felt almost three hours long. The plot was interesting enough for me to never get bored, and the characters were all fun enough for me to get into the story. I'm usually not a fan of musicals, but this one didn't fall into typical traps that I usually expect. The songs felt natural into the scenes they played in. It didn't feel like people were singing for no reason, and the vocals from Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo were good, so I have no complaints there.

63:00KT: This is part one of the story, so there are plot threads that will be picked up on the sequel, and I'm intrigued to see how they pull it off. and tie it all into the original story. I honestly don't have anything negative to say about the film, only that I liked it and didn't love it. If you love musicals, I think you'll enjoy this. It definitely hearkens back to musicals of old and feels very much like a type of film that doesn't get made very often these days. The biggest compliment I can give this film is that although I have absolutely no interest in seeing Wicked, No love for the original Wizard of Oz so much so that I've never even sat and watched it I don't care for musicals, but I'm interested to see how the sequel finishes a story.

63:44KT: Guess that means it's pretty good.

63:47Oti: Wow, Brent

63:49KT: mix a

63:51Oti: I think you give it an 8

63:53KT: 7. Okay. I gave it a 9. Is that enough to tempt you? Oh, gee,

64:00Oti: I'm gonna watch it. It's not like where I drew the line with Bobby in They are the staff. So

64:08KT: Oppenheimer, naked Cillian Murphy on a couch.

64:15Oti: That's good to know.

64:18KT: All right. Well, we're getting in. We're already in December friends and lovers, Out of My Mind, which is just me. Also friends and lovers. We do have a YouTube channel and shout out to Oti for executing the vision. We've done like a video summary. Of our Ref Max, including what we're about to cover friends and lovers. We have Out of My Mind, which I rated a nine.

64:44Oti: Oh, nice.

64:46KT: Yeah.

64:48Oti: You. I didn't, Oh, I didn't watch it. Oh, yeah,

64:52KT: you didn't. Did

64:53Oti: you?

64:53KT: That was in the lead up to Moana. Also, we haven't covered Moana, but there's also coverage on the red carpet about that. Creature Commandos, Oti.

65:02Oti: Oh, I gave this, uh, an eight.

65:08KT: I gave it a nine. How dare you?

65:10Oti: Yeah, I don't know. Eight is a good score.

65:16KT: Interesting. So interesting. You're an interesting person. Solo Leveling, my love.

65:25Oti: I'll give this an eight. I loved.

65:28KT: Okay.

65:31Oti: It's weird that this is all like second anime in the podcast, but wow.

65:37KT: No, it's the third.

65:37Oti: The third. I loved it.

65:40KT: I gave it a nine. I gave it a nine. okay. I feel like you're going to say, if you're not going to say a lot, that's cool as well. It's so interesting. It would have been nice to cover Queen Latifah. We will cover Queen Latifah in other ways. Friends or lovers by we're talking about it. Shout outs to Brent. they did an episode on the Last Holiday, which I was hoping for us to do, but life got in the way. Um, before that we are ending with Lord of the Rings, The War of the Rohirrim.

66:11Oti: Oh, I give it a seven.

66:15KT: I gave it a seven as well. How do you feel about the year, Oti?

66:21Oti: Not as much stuff watched as our previous years.

66:26KT: Well, we watched a lot. We just didn't like review, review a lot.

66:30Oti: I think the stuff that we've watched was more just for us and not for us to share our feelings.

66:39KT: Okay.

66:40Oti: On which, which, which is understandable. I think with how life has taken us this year and trying to navigate a lot of different moving pieces. Um, it's been good to go to festivals. I think I'm looking forward to for starting Fantastic Festival next year. It's been, you know, we got to watch Ousmane movies this year. I talked about him at work and people out of their way to watch it as well.

67:17KT: Wow.

67:18Oti: So it's, it's understanding that, you know, this guy in the late sixties, early seventies, doing stuff that he wasn't allowed to do and executing it in levels where we don't even get to see it now.

67:36KT: Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

67:38Oti: Keep touching aspects of, I don't know, like he's such an interesting dude that you can just. I wish there was more that I could delve into, but I'm not even going to do that with him because I'm just going to go and rewatch the stuff that's there.

67:57KT: Okay.

67:58Oti: And I appreciate it.

67:59KT: All right. I love that. I am just going to mention the interviews that we've had this year because we've had a lot of interviews. but before doing that, I just want to thank Oti so much. Oh yeah. Are you fucking yawning while I'm trying to give you your flowers?

68:20Oti: I'm halfway through my wine.

68:23KT: Halfway? Okay, that is halfway, you're fine. Okay, the wine measurement is not the same ratio as the Amarula measurement, friends and lovers. no, but thank you so much because You know, there's so much of me being in the spotlight, which is funny because I don't even, I don't even like the idea of being in the spotlight, but between the two of us, I'm kind of in the space. but Oti is never far behind. He's always Takashi Miike. Which one was it? Next to the

68:54Oti: plant.

68:54KT: Which one was it? Ichi the Killer.

68:56Oti: Ichi the Killer.

68:57KT: Oti is always Ichi the Killer wanking in the background. He's not far, friends and lovers. so I do want to take the time just to thank Oti, for even just having like ideas or me having an idea. and also the patience that he has as well. So I'm just going to read all the interviews that we had, before we close up friends and lovers. So. New Year's Day, we released our red carpet press junket. Uh, not press junket, but the red carpet press for Next Goal Wins.

69:27Oti: Oscar Kightley, yeah bruv!

69:31KT: What happened in December, but we released it. Wow. Oscar Kightley, David Fane, uh, Chris Alosio, Uli Latukefu, Charlotte Sosifina, as well. So that's Next Goal Wins. Uh, we also had Dream Scenario, so, Kristoffer Borgli, Jess and Wendy. Shout outs again for Bad Ancestors. Congrats again on the AACTA nomination. Eric Bana, Deborra-Lee Furness for The Dry 2. Sisi Stringer, uh, loosely Lucy for The Dry 2 as well, as well as the author Jane Harper. For The Dry as well as Robert Connolly for The Dry 2 as well. How to Have Sex. Molly Manning Walker, Monkey Man, Dev Patel. Uh, uh, Robot Dreams, Pablo Berger, Colin and Cameron Cairnes, Cairnes, Cairnes, Cairnes, check out our little clips on socials, friends and lovers for Late Night with the Devil.

70:34KT: We have Moritz Mohr for Boy Kills World, Sisi Onohelu for the Nuku'alofa Film Festival, Oti. Yeah. Check out their socials. I think the dates might have changed. Ray Yeung, this is for the Sydney Film Festival. He has a beautiful, gorgeous film that doesn't really get talked about that I love so much. So please make sure you go and check that out. Anupama, Anirban, this is also for Sydney Film Festival as well. They had two films out at the Sydney Film Festival. Rachel House for The Mountain. How much do you love that Rachel House spent like five minutes talking about you in the interview, Oti?

71:12Oti: Could've loved it.

71:14KT: You're the new Anthony Mackie. No, you are the king. Like, Sparta had two kings. We have Anthony Mackie and Oti. How about that? Jim Weir and Jim Clark, we had, uh, Searit Huluf, that was as part of the African Film Festival. Self, the first Pixar animated, uh, stop motion short film. Yeah,

71:38Oti: I think it's also on Disney Plus

71:41KT: if you want to check it out. Yes. Hunter Page-Lochard, Shaka Cook for that Irish boxing movie. Jon Bell for The Moogai. Shout out to Michael Logo. Congratulations for the CGA Rising Stars. Marissa Bode, Ethan Slater for Wicked. Moana 2, we had so many people on it. We had, shout out to Gen Fricker, uh, Sela Vai, Kween, Kween Kong, as well as Sose Fuamoli, we also had the cast. We had, uh, Awhimai Fraser. We had David Fane. I literally started the year with David Fane and then I ended it with David Fane on the red carpet. It was a beautiful thing. and Temuera Morrison. Nice. Oh, fuck man. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. We had Aleks Le for Solo Leveling, the English dub, if you're nasty there, as well as Lord of the Rings.

72:41KT: So we had Phoebe Gittins as well as Arty Papageorgiou. and also Miranda Otto. Oh, those were all the interviews. How are you feeling Oti?

72:54Oti: Good.

72:55KT: Wow. It's been a year.

72:58Oti: It has been a year.

73:01KT: Thank you friends and lovers for tuning in. This has been the Merry Reference Christmas special. Uh, but yeah, hopefully you all have a lovely break with some good food, some beautiful company. Put on that do not disturb, even if that includes me DMing. Just completely ignore me. We love you guys so much. Uh, off top, no pressure Oti. If someone's just looking for a fun watch, what would you recommend?

73:35Oti: Oh, Creature Commandos, Peacemaker.

73:38KT: Yeah. Same. Also The Penguin, I'm realizing, cause we didn't rate The Penguin because we didn't cover it.

73:45Oti: That's for next year.

73:47KT: That's for next year, but I would also recommend for thick Colin Farrell, friends and lovers, uh, on Twitter, Instagram, Bluesky, Threads, Spill, and sometimes TikTok. We're @ForYourRefPod.

74:01Oti: Write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com.

74:05KT: We're also on every podcast if you'd like to leave a rating and review. And we'll see you guys, we're pretty much done for the year, right?

74:14Oti: Yeah.

74:14KT: We'll see you motherfuckers in 2025. Peace! Mwah!