A Merry Reference Christmas 2019 (Part 2)
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Hold onto your stockings as we take you through the second half of our ratings. Full video podcastavailable through Pardon the Pun tier and above on Patreon. See you allin 2020!
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KT: Hey, friends and lovers. Hopefully, you enjoyed the first part of our Christmas spectacular. If you wanna hear all of our ratings for all of the episodes we did this year up until Deadwood, that's where you should go. This picks up off on Black Mirror, and it also features a lot of the guest ratings that we've had for this year. It's been a great time. So hopefully, you guys enjoy it and having a great time. And we'll see you in 2020. You
KT: know what? I talk about this all the time as our golden age of episodes. We had John Wick, Archer, Deadwood, and Black Mirror.
Oti: Black Mirror. I feel like all the great shows we've covered, I introduced them to you.
KT: Wow. And I'm gonna hold that. Hang on. No. Because in the maths of that, you have watched more than I have watched. Yeah. So you're bound to introduce more than I. Yeah. But that's not to say that I didn't contribute. Okay. I am carrying this podcast on my motherfucking weak shoulders.
Oti: Either way, Black Mirror is a bloody brilliant show. It was. When it moved to Netflix, it does have some good episodes here and there. But the intrinsic Black Mirror, the untainted version, when it would steal on b
KT: You mean when it was tainted by c? When it was tainted by Murica.
Oti: It was amazing. Three episodes this season and just brilliant writing. They had time. They had time to direct it. They had time to write what the fuck they wanted to write on this. They didn't have to release in a season every every year. And
Oti: Black Mirror was something that we looked forward to whenever it came out. Even so now, but then you get Miley Cyrus in episode and you're like, what the fuck did they do to Black Mirror? It was alright, but it's also like you could have done better. Yeah. And that's why I'd give Black Mirror an eight. It could have been a nine.
KT: Come here. Let's wank and flick each other off.
Oti: Mhmm. I'm assuming that means you also give it an eight.
KT: Yeah. Get with the program, dude.
Oti: Oh, I'm in the program with the program.
KT: And, you know, like, what's the incentive? What's the incentive of listening to an episode of KT and maybe not really Oti rating things? This is it, guys. I didn't really fully express how I felt in the Black Mirror episode, so you're going to hear it on this episode and also in this video. They Americanized
KT: that shit. They did. And however you wanna explain it, it watered down the complexity of the concepts of technology. It became a social media ranking of each other, which was quite interesting, but it really didn't dig beneath the depths of what technology can really do. Right? Even that Bill Burr comedy special, that's a callback to earlier. He talked about sex robots. Right? There's so much that we can explore in regards to technology before robot Jesus takes the wheel and just decimate all of us. Right?
KT: And there's so much that Black Mirror can do. And even in that episode, you know, we shared because it's an anthology sort of series, we didn't really tackle it the way that we tackle other shows. Right? So we chose one episode each. I'm putting two whatever. We chose one episode each, and one of mine was really humanistic, and it was a case study of grief. And if you don't tend to your grief, how that can be detrimental to your own mental health.
Oti: Oh, yeah. For sure. Right?
KT: And yours was more about the relationship and how you would fuck everything up, but that's a story for another day. Go and listen to our episode. Hang the DJ is his favorite episode.
Oti: Mhmm.
KT: I feel like, you know, a lot of the quality that we enjoyed, Hallelujah Hallelujah, again, because we talked about Daniel Kaluuya, it really suffered in order to appeal to a wider audience. Right? Mhmm. And I think that's as much, you know, shots that I wanna take in regards to Black Mirror, but that's just personally how I feel about it. Yeah. Rightly so. So let's go on to our next episode. So we have a lot of light fun sort of episodes. This is the second docuseries.
KT: I guess whatever you wanna classify it as, it was based on a true story. Yep. Where you have coined by Oprah, the Exonerated Five in these series directed by Ava DuVernay called When They See Us.
Oti: This was heavy watching. It was fucking heavy. And the fact that we had to take a break after watching the first episode, we were like, no. We're not watching back to back unless you love being depressed. It made me feel things. It made me feel anger. It made me feel like I I didn't understand how this could happen in a system that was made to be just. Uh-huh. And I guess that was my naivete
Oti: playing a bit of it. So I was deeply triggered by this. And the fact that it got me so much, I would give it a nine.
KT: Wow. I gave it an eight.
Oti: Yeah. Fair enough. Eight. It's not an easy watch. It's rewatchability value is next to none. Like, unless you wanna be depressed and cry all the time.
KT: But that's what I'm saying. Like, it doesn't necessarily mean that you can rewatch it, but the reason why I gave it an eight is I don't think I can rewatch it. And if I do, it's going to take some time.
Oti: I think this is one of the ones that I had an exception to it in terms of rewatchability just because it's
Oti: more geared towards truth and man it just really hurt my feelings and it's one of those things that you really don't expect to happen and you usually hope that the law would probably find its way to the light but it just failed and I was sad and broken.
KT: Yeah. Do you think we've covered more sad stuff?
Oti: I think we did.
KT: I really feel like we didn't but like the more that I think about it, I think we have covered some real
KT: deep sort of topics.
Oti: Yeah. And that's actually that actually shows range. Right?
KT: Oh, for sure.
Oti: Because The more you have to talk about and dig deep into yourself to try and not only express how you resonated with it, but how it made you feel at the moment and how that affected you. So yeah.
KT: But I think it's nice. I think it's nice that, you know, a lot of people that enjoy our show talk about how fun and hilarious we are, but we do have episodes of depth, and I like that. I like that we can cover everything.
KT: Yeah. And that's why it's so shocking to me that the next episode we did was
KT: A Single Man. It was also to round up Pride Month as well. Yeah. Because it's not a light movie per se. Well, we were going to do, like, Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, and we were going to do, like, some other sort of films. But I've wanted you to watch this film for so long. And it really spoke to me in ways that don't even make sense. Like, you know, obviously, if you're a brown woman and you're seeing a brown woman
KT: going through struggles that you've been through, it's very easy to relate to. I didn't necessarily have that with A Single Man, but I was still able to relate and have the messages resonate with me in regards to A Single Man.
Oti: Oh, yeah. For sure. And like the techniques used to film this and to direct this just make it even more expressive in terms of what they wanted to to showcase in the movie. And it's one of those things that really stuck deep with me. And one of the more technical analysis that we've done of a movie, I think, to date, just because it brought us the coloring. Yeah. It brought our, you know, film kind of thing, and we really went deep into it. And I think it's one of my favorite episodes
Oti: just because it allowed us to talk more about what it really did and how it really express itself in different angles rather than dialogue. Mhmm. And I'll I I I I stand for that. So this movie was a solid eight for me in my book.
KT: I ranked this film a nine.
Oti: Oh.
KT: It is a ever so often masterpiece. And it was actually directed by the Tom Ford, someone that really understands the aesthetic and how important it is in regards to your emotional sort of buy in. Right? You know, because I read it, and I didn't really realize it. But, again, obviously, you can listen to that episode. But, you know, I know in a salacious sort of manner, I talk about Colin Firth a lot, but he
KT: right? Mhmm.
Oti: As if you wanna welcome him in our bedchambers, though. Yeah. I would watch you two go at it. Oh, you're welcome then, I really would.
KT: And Colin Colin Firth is going through a separation at this time. So I just wanna say, hopefully, you're okay emotionally, sexually, whatever you want. I'm here. I was trying to be real about this, you fucking dick.
Oti: I'm real as well. Like J.Lo, I'm Real?
KT: Mhmm. But A Single Man really hit all the right notes. We
KT: like, I don't wanna be that person. So I'm so sorry if this comes off really badly. But Oti and I have come across our own sort of struggles being in an interracial like sort of relationship. Right? You know, me being with like a full on like African man, like not someone that's in Australia, like someone that's like fully like African, like Kenyan. Right? Like obviously and you kind of hear it in our Master of None episode, but we don't really share too much about it. But,
KT: you know, like we've gone through our sort of discrimination even against like loved ones that we know. So I kind of felt that on a level that I needed to feel in order to wholly immerse myself in A Single Man. So I really appreciated watching that film.
Oti: Yeah. Me too.
KT: So that was quite a nice one. To round up Pride Month because again, it could have been like a nicer, more campy sort of film. But, you know, we bring the depth wherever we can. But then we wanted to make it more light
KT: and we actually covered an anime. Mhmm. Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. Oh, wow. That's one of the most popular animes out there at the moment. It really is. But then, you know, sometimes when you think the most popular, you think maybe the accolades aren't due, but it most certainly is, especially in the topic of Naruto. I don't know how you guys feel about anime because we watch everything. Like, we literally watch everything. Was it Muktap? Mhmm. Muktap? Yep. The Israeli movie. Yeah. Like, we watch everything. Like, we watch every single thing that we have available
KT: to us. So anime is something that we watch all the time. Oti has what I call baby animes. Like My Hero Academia.
Oti: That is not a baby anime.
KT: That's a fucking baby anime. If you've been through shit, what can you relate to in regards to those children?
Oti: I've been through shit, and I'm clearly related to
KT: You're going through shit right now. I can see.
Oti: But, yeah, Naruto is one of the best animes out there, and it's like the sort of of the gateway drug into anime. It's easy to get into. It's easily rewatchable. It resonates with you. It's the story of the most it's one of the best underdog sort of animes out there. Yeah. They've been rooting for Naruto for days.
KT: But I think what you also need to mention is, of course, you want the protagonist to be wholly fully dimensional. Right? If you don't have a protagonist that doesn't have multiple dimensions to them, then you're doing something wrong. Yeah. For sure. But aside from that, a lot of the secondary and tertiary characters actually had a whole backstory to them.
Oti: They really did. And and that's why my rating for Naruto would be a nine because I think it's one of the best Yes. Out
KT: And it's a yes, not a yes. Oh, yeah. That's how much I'm feeling right now. We also did a bonus episode because Naruto was our twentieth episode. So we did a bonus anime episode where we talked all things anime with Anime Nerd and also Savage Otaku. And I was able to get hold of Anime Nerd, and he actually gave his rating.
Oti: Oh, yeah?
KT: Do you wanna guess?
Oti: I think Anime gave it an eight.
KT: Yes. He gave it an eight. If you are wanting to, like, dip your baby cute toe into anime,
KT: definitely listen to our anime special with Anime Nerd and Savage Otaku because we talks about a lot. Whether you are fully immersed and you love Prison School like Savage Otaku or, you know, you're you're dabbling and your first anime was Sailor Moon like myself, there's definitely a lot for everyone in regards to anime. So definitely check out those episodes, particularly our bonus episode that we have as well. Yeah. For sure. It was a great episode.
KT: And, again, we do have a sort of formula that we try to play off. So we try to do something more famous. Something that even if you haven't watched anything we've watched, at least within, like, five to 10 episodes, we try to have something that everyone has watched. And that encapsulated Titanic.
Oti: Mhmm. Is one of the first movies I went to watch in the cinema.
KT: Yeah. Don't
Oti: Which had an intermission in it.
KT: You're very fancy.
Oti: I am.
KT: Like, I didn't even know if we wanted to cover it but it was quite interesting because a lot of the time people do listen to that episode and give us feedback in regards to that.
Oti: Yeah. They do. And and it's one of the most biggest, like, blockbuster movie that in my generation at least that you felt that just pushed the limit farther. It was groundbreaking in its time and Titanic for me would stand the test of time because it's still rewatchable up to date with its effect. It's still not as bad as we've seen other things that are more even recent. So and that's why Titanic for me is a seven.
KT: A seven?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Ew.
Oti: What would you give Titanic?
KT: A six.
Oti: Wow. You're really harsh.
KT: The barriers that they broke technologically in regards to the film, I think deserves accolades. In regards to the actual narrative of the film, no, thank you. I will not take any slice. Thank you. Oh, wow. I didn't care for it. Because, again, like you mentioned many times in that episode, we have RMS Titanic. So why why do I need to watch this film?
Oti: Because it's theatrical. It's it it really does have great entertainment value. Yeah. But no. But Yeah. No matter what, it has one of the best soundtracks ever made. So there is that.
KT: Yeah. No. Sorry. No. Like, I love the soundtrack, but that doesn't make the film. So there you go. In regards to Titanic, the only thing that I really enjoyed about Titanic is because it's really it is hilarious what Oti allows or what he is comfortable with because I'll be like, dicks, dicks, dicks, all the dicks. And he's fine with that. He doesn't he he's not comfortable when I talk about periods. But, apparently, he's okay when I talk about tits. And in this episode, in particular, I talk about real ass titties Mhmm. And the drawing
KT: with Rose and how her titties look like sludge.
Oti: Uh-huh. Right?
KT: These are all the sound bites for all our episodes, but definitely go and listen to our Titanic episode. Whether you liked it or if you didn't like it, you'll probably enjoy that episode more because we didn't fucking care for it. Yeah. I'm surprised you rated it a seven. The next episode we covered was Into the Spider-Verse.
Oti: Oh, one of the best movies ever. Fan fave. It really is. It was really refreshing to watch this movie and that's why in my opinion, it's a solid eight in my book.
KT: I actually gave it a nine. Oh, wow. There's not a lot of animated films that adults would watch that would actually enjoy it. Like, I would take Into the Spider-Verse a 100 times over watching Frozen 2 once.
Oti: I've not even watched a single instance of Frozen so
KT: But that's what I'm saying. Like, there are different animated sort of films that you can watch and there are some that you just wouldn't care about. Yeah. For sure. And it's so beautifully made.
KT: Like, I don't know if there's anyone who doesn't like the movie. And if you don't like Into the Spider-Verse, please don't talk to us. Like, don't email us, don't tweet us because we fucking love that film. And it's one of my favorite episodes as well that we covered too. Speaking of exciting films, we have two Lion Kings that we're going to be rating right now. We have the 2019 version and the 1994 version.
Oti: Oh, the 2019 version, I would give an eight. A seven, sorry.
KT: No, it's too late. You said eight.
Oti: I'd give you a seven. And the 1994 version, I'd give a nine.
KT: Interesting.
KT: Interesting. Interesting. I gave 2019 and 1994 both an eight. Oh. Because like I said in the Lion King episode, if you had the technology to take more photos of yourself as a child, would you not? Mhmm. And that's literally what that film is. For sure. So there you go. Interesting. We average the same though. Yeah. We do. We both average at an eight. We have great maths by the way. Quick maths. Quick maths. Speaking of quick, we have Predestination, which we had a guest, Oti.
Oti: Oh.
KT: Do you remember who our guest was?
Oti: Tom Tom Tommy Tom.
KT: Tom Tom Tommy Tom from History of Aotearoa as my people like to say. Let's go through our ratings and you can guess what he rated it.
Oti: Oh, I'd rate Predestination a nine.
KT: Oh, me too.
Oti: I think Tom gave it a nine as well.
KT: He gave it a 8.5.
KT: Yeah. Rounded off to a nine. Yeah. But Tom is also my arch nemesis and we also fight over shit, especially vikings. So you can suck my nothing, Tom. But this is the review he gave. Predestination is a rare time travel film that actually doesn't pulls it up. The key to the movie is the character him or herself and whether there is truly predestined rather than the time travel. The gradual reveals of the film as the dots start to get connected is something I've rarely experienced watching other movies. Those for some,
KT: a lot of the movie will make people sick and feel weird but I love it for the same reasons. Though it can be hard to follow or understand, the first half hour or so can be quite slow for some but the payoff is really worth it when you can get through it. In short, it is one of if not the best serious time travel movies you'll watch. I will thoroughly recommend.
Oti: Very nice. I'm poignant.
KT: Can I just say Tom like exceeded the word limit I gave him but whatever? We will continue to fight each other, Tom. Yeah. But Predestination was a really good one. Oh, it was fucking great. Like, I feel like I didn't like Looper. I feel like I really
Oti: You can't even compare that to you.
KT: But you know what I mean? Like time travel films are a genre within themselves. So when I saw a film that did it well,
KT: yes, I'm going to give you all of my accolades. I'm going to throw all of my ancient panties at you. And the fact that people are still discussing the theories of Predestination now just shows you that how big of an effect you tag. And this was very similar to Upgrade. It was a small Australian production. Definitely watch Predestination. We're not gonna spoil it for you, but the only spoiling we can do for you is to watch the film.
KT: It's fucking great. And you might enjoy our conversation after. The the jury is still out in regards to that. The next episode, Oti. I think one of my favorite shows ever. And you know what? Like, I feel like TV shows, there's so much emotional investment when it comes to TV shows because you spend more time with the characters. Yeah. Sometimes that can be to its demise, but in this fucking case, every fucking thing. Yeah.
Oti: And I think Spartacus in this case is one of the best TV shows I have watched personally and one of the most connected I am to in so many aspects and that's why my rating for this would be the highest of the bunch with a massive 10.
KT: Wow.
Oti: You're not getting better than Spartacus in this at all.
KT: Oh my god.
Oti: Jesus pure entertainment
KT: The fuck?
Oti: In terms of rewatchability, Spartacus has it all. Oh my god.
Oti: And if you're watching it during the time it was released and what when you're waiting for a when you heard about Andy's sickness and you're waiting for him to get better, the angst, the the participation, you were so much involved in this. Those are brief moment where he was fully better or we thought he was better, and he was going to film as posse as as as expected, and then it took a turn for the worst. And in that sort of roller coaster
Oti: and what they produced and what they managed to do as a crew and team having lost one of their leads, And the fact that they opted to wanted to actually stop production just because they didn't feel right going ahead on without him. It's one of the most human things that you'd ever see in sort of in film making and TV production and Spartacus just has it all and I love it. I will rewatch it probably in the next few months. I've watched it more than 10 times and I'll continue throughout my adulthood.
Oti: So this is something that I feel completely passionate about and that's why it's a fucking 10.
KT: I love you so much.
Oti: You're welcome.
KT: You're the fucking best. You know that? Mhmm.
KT: I rated it a nine only because it's not their fault, but, like, Liam McIntyre was no Andy Whitfield.
Oti: I didn't mind him. And I and I
KT: No. But I know. And we talked about it in this episode. It's it's more me. Yeah. How dare you? Don't accept that so quickly. How dare you? But, man, like, you couldn't do that to me. It just wasn't fair. I understand that, you know, rest in peace. You know, he needed to be replaced. But Jesus, man, it it it was hard, and that's why I rated it a nine.
KT: Yeah. What I love about our Spartacus episode is we actually talk about the Oti bop. Shout outs to Cooking with Grief podcast for directing us, to the Oti bop. And we also talk a lot about Australian actors as well. So if you're wanting to hear that, you should definitely listen to our Spartacus episode. Even if you've listened to it, go and listen again. It is the most sexual oh, we get sexual in every episode. Yeah. We're sexual beings. And if that bothers you, so be it. That's an Archer reference.
KT: But that was a that was a very essential episode we definitely needed to cover. Okay. So a new classic, if that's what you wanna call it, that we covered was
Oti: A shout out to Iggy Azalea, then.
KT: Wow. Look at Oti again. He knows references from years ago. Album, it's a New Classic, was one of the biggest things ever. So I was actually gonna reference it, but I'm like, that's from a few years ago. Maybe that's a bit tacky. And you actually referenced it. Well, there you go. This is turning into a mammoth of an episode. So our patrons will definitely get this full shlong of an episode, but I guess we'll decide how much gets into the actual episode. Yeah. Right? Let's move on over to some lactating, delightful, satisfying episode,
KT: The Boys.
Oti: It started slow. It one hour. It started slow.
KT: And Oti tricked me and listened to the episode. But he was like, let's watch one episode. Let's get to one another. And then we got to episode five and I'm like, I'm fully in now.
Oti: It's just brilliant once you stick to it. And even more so that the fact that we've read the actual comic books for this makes you appreciate The Boys even more. It's one of the best shows out there at the moment. It defies to be different,
Oti: and I would always give props to a show like that. And that's why my rating for this is a nine.
KT: Me too. Me too. Krieger reference.
KT: Because you know what? There's not like we watch a lot of stuff but there's not a lot that we're watching on a current week to week sort of basis. Not necessarily with The Boys because that all came out at once. Right? But by the time they were getting interviewed for, like, Comic Cons and all that sort of fucking shit, they were already filming the second season. Yeah. What takes them so long?
KT: I don't know. But YouTubers produce film and all of that fucking shit themselves. Why are you taking so long for a show? Because we watched the season two trailer. Yeah. And it had terror in it. We wanna see some terror. The doggy. Only John Wick can kill a dog off for emotional payoff. No one else can do that, please. I don't wanna see dogs dying fictionally or in real life. But The Boys definitely gets a nine. Nice. The next episode that we covered was quite a fun one and it was also another guest
KT: episode with Em from Verbal Diorama.
Oti: Oh, we lost some Em. Are you gonna read her rating now? I love all of Em. Or do you want me to give you my rating?
KT: Let's give each other's ratings and I'll read to you hers.
Oti: Okay. I would give Bridget Jones a six.
KT: Don't change your pod catcher. I left that silence in for effect. Tell me how Did you say a six?
Oti: Yeah.
KT: Vomit? Okay. Let's no. Let's digress for like two seconds. What romantic comedy would you rate over this?
Oti: Most rom coms are pretty much just give a six
Oti: because in value they lack a lot so I'm not sure it'll ever get beyond that and that's why this is one of the better ones that I've seen but in the end of the day it still didn't really fill me with any sort of satisfaction and that's why it's a six for me. I don't think I'll be rewatching it anytime at all. I don't know. It just didn't do much for me.
KT: I rated it an eight.
Oti: Oh, so not that different.
KT: There's not a lot of rom coms that I would rate over this. I think you You've Got Mail aside from how dated it is, not you've got email, not all you It got solved. Or you've wow. Are you quite done, sir? Yep. Do you want a fork? Mhmm. I'll stick it in you because you're done, mate. You are done. But I really do love Bridget Jones. It's funny because I'm very cynical, but I've been with Oti for, like, almost ten years. But there's a part of me that's just like, oh,
KT: you know, so I really love watching rom coms where you see, you know, protagonist like Bridget Jones being really clumsy, finding love. Isn't that what we all want?
Oti: Have I found it or am I still lucky?
KT: Oh, you found it. Apparently. Mhmm. Let me read Em's review. It's slightly dated nowadays, but otherwise an accurate representation of being a single woman in your thirties living in The UK, especially the part about being eaten by Alsatians. Also, Colin Firth, I like you just as you are. Nice boys
KT: do kiss like that, but I appreciate if you've proved it. Do you wanna guess what she rated it?
Oti: I think she gave it an eight as well.
KT: Seven.
Oti: Oh, I told you. If Em could give me the seven, I I should not be castigated for giving it a six.
KT: Again, Colin Firth, emotionally, physically, sexuality, however you need me to support you, I will. Alright. So this is one of my biggest hashtag pod regrets. Regrets? Mhmm. Who am I? Sylvester?
Oti: Yep. And I'm Tweety, so tweet along me.
KT: We actually covered 30 Rock on our twenty ninth episode, not our thirtieth episode. Mhmm. And that fucking pissed me off. But anyway, we covered one of my other lady loves, Tina Fey from 30 Rock. Oh. Tread carefully, mate.
Oti: Yeah. Just because once we met it was my second attempt of watching this, I would give 30 Rock an eight. It's a solid show, has a lot of smart, witty comments in there
KT: Not enough.
Oti: Anyone would love it. That's why I'm giving it an eight. This is how black people review movies.
KT: You're not allowed to laugh that reference because you gave it a fucking eight.
Oti: Eight is a good number.
KT: I don't know what to do with this. We started this podcast, but fucking hell, you're done, dude.
Oti: What would you rate?
KT: You don't wanna guess?
Oti: I think you'd give it you'd give it a 10 or nine. A nine.
KT: I gave it a fucking 10. If
KT: we're talking about shows that comedies that have really solid writing that in many cases can interweave social commentary with really bitey sort of character development, then yes, 30 Rock should always be the case study.
Oti: Just shows you, my only 10 in this so far has been Spartacus and your 10 on so far has been 30 Rock.
KT: No. I've given a few tens already.
Oti: Oh, really?
KT: I gave a 10 to Money Heist.
Oti: Oh, yeah.
KT: Actually, it was just one. Doesn't feel that special, does it now? Speaking of special, we are going to Oti's favorite villain, Pennywise. Dear, help me. There are many times we regret because as much as we love going to the cinema, Oti is not a basic bitch and he can't go to a normal cinema. He needs to go onto the ones where you can, like, recline, you can get a three course meal, get a bottle of wine.
KT: He is not a cheap date, guys. So if guys or gals, if you're considering to take Oti out, get your shillings ready. And man, It Chapter Two. We watched both and we're going to rate both, but fucking hell, man. Alright.
Oti: It was pretty ordinary. I'd give it a six. Nice. For It Chapter Two, again, much worse than the first one, I'd give it a five. So Nice. I just don't get the hullabaloo and the hype over this, so I didn't jump on the on the hype wagon, and it was really underwhelming. And Pennywise isn't a fucking character you base a movie around because it's fucking weak then again.
KT: Because Oti is scared of Chucky and not Pennywise,
KT: but anyway. Okay. The next episode that we did was another collaboration from our gal pals, Sunny and also Brandy from the Book of Lies podcast.
Oti: Oh, The Big Short.
KT: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So let's let's do our ratings and then I'll read their review.
Oti: I'd give The Big Short seven.
KT: Oh, wow. You are really not giving any points today.
Oti: No. Seven is a solid number for The Big Short.
KT: I gave it an eight.
Oti: Oh. Now I'm curious what the what Book of Lies said about it.
KT: Well, personally, the reason why I gave it an eight is because I actually learned shit. Once the movie finished, I forgot what I learned, but I still learned it while I was watching the film. So Book of Lies said, it delves into the deception of subprime mortgages
KT: which affected thousands of families in The US and demonstrates what can and will happen to an economy when greed is allowed to run rampant with no oversight.
KT: What do you think they rated it?
Oti: I think they gave it a seven as well.
KT: A nine.
Oti: Woah. Interesting. Brandy and Sunny, come on. Calm down. Calm down.
KT: Well, there you go. The jury is out apparently. Again, so we now we try to switch it up to a TV show, so we covered The US Office. Oh. This was a very divisive episode. I didn't realize that our opinions or our hot takes was so that some people couldn't handle it. Apparently, us talking about the beloved Jim and Pam is an issue.
Oti: Yeah. And I saw that coming from the get go, but The Office is really great, the American one. You fall in love with Michael Scott, and that's why this for me has to have nothing less but a nine.
KT: I gave it an eight.
Oti: Woah.
KT: Like, it's it's good, but it's not like
Oti: You give Daddy Rock a 10 and you give this an
KT: Are an you really talking about the writing structure of these shows?
Oti: I'm just saying the first four seasons of World Office were pretty much one of the best TVs you could watch anyway.
KT: Office is wholly relatable to the mass amount of people. But what that means is it's low hanging fruit. Come and fucking fight me. Long hanging fruit or not, it's a fruit nonetheless. Is Our fruits that needed needed grabbing. This is the hill I will die on. I would rather die on this hill than you making fun of Sir Patrick Stewart. Listen to our Master of None episode, which we will talk about in a second. Alright. The next episode that we covered was another box office film, Joker.
Oti: Joker was super deep, more than people wanted or expected. But then again, you have to give some sort of creative freedom to people so they can come up with the best sort of movie they can be able to do. And that's why I love Joker and that's why my rating for this would be a solid eight.
KT: I gave it a nine. I gave it a nine.
Oti: I can see that.
KT: And again, I know a lot of our pals
KT: are fellow podcasters and a lot of them are also movie review podcasters. I listened to like 15 episodes of podcasters talking about Joker. It was a lot. It was a lot. And what our episode turned into was more about more, like, sort of introspective and about mental health and about how you know, it it it was funny because a lot of the times we talk about the relatable villain. Starting off with Killmonger in Black Panther into full development talking about Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. Yeah. Right? Some people felt like that was a bit derivative,
KT: but I really enjoyed that episode in particular. I like that we could explore that. A lot of the time people talked about Joker because of the lack of levity. Just because there's no levity in a film doesn't mean that it's not a great film. It might not necessarily be a film that you enjoy, that you can watch again, but it doesn't it doesn't undo the key messages that were laid out during the performance of that film. Yeah. Agreed. So that was quite an interesting one as well. The next episode actually, the next two episodes
KT: are dedicated to a TV series that meant everything to us. I sure did. More so from a storytelling point of view. So we had a Wire episode where we actually talk about The Wire, we also had a bonus episode where we had the Why I'm Single podcast, particularly Amy D and Chuck who are from Baltimore that really shared a lot more detail and much more frame of reference that we could ever do. Yeah. So let's talk about our ratings and then we'll go through this.
Oti: The Wire is a solid 10 for me in my book.
KT: Oh,
KT: I'll take another slice of Oti every day.
Oti: It's rewatchable, it's witty, it's the storyline. Like everything about The Wire is so good. Mhmm. You'll not regret watching it. It's just a 10. It's brilliant.
KT: It is everything, isn't it? Yeah. And in regards to the Why I'm Single podcast, we have a 10 from Amy D. She gives it so if we're going to, give an abstract review, I give it two corner boys, a bag of crab chips, orange soda, and a lake trout sandwich. And then we also have Chuck giving it a high nine only because the last season felt forced.
KT: I actually like the last season, otherwise. I like the last season too. But again, we don't have that frame of reference. So and that's also important in regards to when you're watching something. So what a great and that's the only show that we've covered in a consecutive two weeks. Yeah. But it deserves it. Fucking hell. It really does. You know, there's that Family Guy cutaway where they say if you're not talking about The Wire, you're talking about Breaking Bad, and Breaking Bad can suck my dick.
Oti: I'm the one who knocks, motherfucker.
KT: Unless we have a Patreon that comes on and makes us talk about that show or, you know, Oti dicks me down, we are not going to be covering Breaking
Oti: to Late to the Show. They do a brilliant job at covering each and every episode.
KT: Yes. Olivia and Michael. And we did a guest spot on this show as well. Yasoty Mhmm. We love a strong guesting queen. So let's go to the next episode that we covered. And this was rounding out Halloween where we actually it was interesting. You actually chose this one. Yes.
Oti: Because I was tired of listening to fucking Pennywise and I wanted to remember to remind Pennywise. We like Pennyworth. Oh, sorry. Pennywise. I was freaking tired of Pennywise, and I wanted to remind our audience that good horror villains exist. Good horror movies exist, and one of those was none other than Freddy vs. Jason.
KT: I think it was a great one to do. Can I just say? A lot of the times, know, Oti is the fucking sub. I wouldn't even her her because that's literally true. So it was nice to have him grab the reins. Oh, yeah. Super dumb all the way.
Oti: And and and and this is why for Freddy vs. Jason, just because of the time that it came out or the time that I wanted us to do it, I would give it a strong eight. I was gonna say seven, but nah. Pushed it over the edge with an eight.
KT: You need to evaluate yourself. The way you were rating things is just unpredictable.
Oti: Well, it's it's it's it's an eight. It's an eight in terms of pure enjoyability.
KT: Gold is a fine institution, but you were proving otherwise.
Oti: Alright. Tell me your rating for it.
KT: Six.
KT: Look, you know I'm never gonna watch it again.
Oti: For what it's worth, like for what it is, it delivers in every single aspect. It's not trying to be anything else, à la Pennywise.
KT: I need to go back and listen to all the things that you ranked less than eight because come on, dude. Like, it's enjoyable.
Oti: On a Friday fucking night after work, you come on and put this on, you are going to have a good time. And shout out to enjoy a good slasher horror flick that would blow your mind, and it's pure fun. It doesn't take itself seriously. You'll enjoy yourself. An eight in my book any day, every day. Yeah. But he has a limited series.
KT: Shout out to Kelly Rowland, Oti's first wet dream.
Oti: Yes. And Kelly Row I should probably bump this to a nine then.
KT: Like a cup size, it's fine. Whatever. The next episode that we did was with another guest, Ben from Filmbusters.
Oti: Oh.
KT: I coined as the holy trinity but they preferred tripod. If you're nasty. I think that was Beasts of No Nation. Watch Beasts of No Nation if you haven't. It's fucking creepy in some parts but whatever. Where we covered The Big Lebowski.
Oti: Big Lebowski. And that was the first time watch for both of us. Right? Yep. Yep. I've heard of it. Like, you could listen to the episode and we went into super many details into it.
KT: So what would you rate Big Lebowski?
Oti: I would rate it an eight.
KT: Only?
Oti: Yeah. Like, it didn't it really resonate with me that much. I found Walter sort of annoying, Big Lebowski a bit too nonchalant about everything. So yeah, an eight. Nothing higher.
KT: Wow. I rated it a nine. And I'm very proud of Kiss ass. I will kiss all of the ass except for Donnie. Speaking of, let me read Ben's review. Mhmm. Okay. So he gave his score, which you will have to guess and then he said, why? As if why would he give that score? Because it's a reminder that we live in a batshit crazy world where everyone and everything
KT: around you might be going to shit but as long as you're at peace with yourself, it'll all work out in the end. Shut the fuck up, Donnie.
KT: Do you wanna guess?
Oti: I feel like he's the same as you and he gave it a nine as well.
KT: He gave it a fucking 10.
Oti: Oh, Ben. Ben. Oh my god. Never go full. I don't know. I was I was gonna go some offensive with that.
KT: Did you know where the train was leaving?
Oti: Yeah. I did, but then my filters kicked in. So
KT: Okay. Ben. No.
KT: It cannot be a 10. Ben, we fucking love you. Also, everyone else, listen to our Big Lebowski episode because it also explains how and why I keep calling people Britons. And it actually explains that and Ben does it quite perfectly. And we also reference a TV show. So I guess if you're interested, you can listen to the rest of that episode. We had a back on back collaboration, Oti. Mhmm. The next show that we covered was they say this is a big rich pod.
Oti: Power power power.
KT: Give all of the power. You've got the power, Tee. Mhmm. And we had the immaculate Kolby Told Me podcast. Obviously, Kolby Mac, he was onto our podcast. And we appreciate it, and we're satiated all the same. Thank you for coming onto our podcast. Let's rate it, and then I'll read you his review.
Oti: Power. Power is a solid eight in anyone's book.
KT: Only an eight?
Oti: Yeah. I'm giving an eight. It has some dodgy seasons here and there but other than that
KT: I gave it a nine. Oh, wow. There aren't many shows that we are watching on a week to week basis where we are satiated throughout. Agreed. Compared to Empire, we're never going to cover Empire. So what are you gonna rate rate Empire?
Oti: Empire is a fucking for me. Okay. Good.
KT: I think we tried watching Empire the other day, and it's like, we haven't watched it for, like, two, three years, but it's exactly the same plot. No. We let me review that. We tried to watch the most recent episode, and that just
Oti: It's very soap opera. We definitely made the right decision dropping it five years ago or whatever how long that was. It was really bad.
KT: Okay. So let me read Kolby's review.
KT: Power's latest season may not be its most powerful, but its powerful adjacent. It feels the impending end to this iteration of the story isn't allowing the writers the freedom to let the characters think and behave organically which makes a lot of the plot points feel contrived. Chalk that up to almost any of a series. However, the characters we've come to know and love are still magnetic enough to keep you watching. The all points back to Ghost and the ultimate cliffhanger is paying off to the close for some story arcs
KT: while setting up the intrigue and shift in perspective coming January. Power season six part one is still sexy, still good, still violent, just not as great of an effect as seasons past. Wow. So do you wanna guess?
Oti: I think he gave it an eight as well.
KT: Seven.
Oti: Oh. Kolby, I have qualms with you, sir.
KT: Don't have any qualms. I can see that.
Oti: No. I have qualms. Uh-huh. At least an eight, surely.
KT: Yeah. Well, let's move on. Let's move on to our next episode, which was delicious in every regard. 300.
Oti: 300. Wow. It was interesting. It was groundbreaking at the time. I gave 300 a nine.
KT: I gave 300 a nine.
Oti: Oh. And then 300: Rise of an Empire is what I'd give a six.
KT: Six. Because it's still out for Mysticles Yeah. As well. So he gets some sort of credit. Right? Surely. But I definitely gave a nine and then I gave Rise of an Empire a six. We're getting very close guys. If you're still here, thank you so much. But let's let's continue. We are almost there to climax and if you climax already, send us a tweet in gratuity.
Oti: Yeah. Million Dollar Baby. One of the best movies we've watched of late. Oh, yeah. And I think this is when I told you I wanted to watch this because it reminded us of what the nine well, the early noughties used to be in terms of pure entertainment value. Mhmm. A strong movie and the hard deeper meaning that was on surface level. And I loved Million Dollar Baby and I wanted KT to experience the same and that's why this gets a nine in my book.
KT: A nine?
Oti: Yep.
KT: I need a full picture of everything you've rated. Wow.
Oti: What would you give this?
KT: An eight.
Oti: An eight? Yeah. Wow. It's a nine in my book all day.
KT: Like, you know, when you watch something, you can wholly
KT: feel it in its emotion, but I can still walk away from it. A nine to me has to last with me.
Oti: Yeah. Maybe so. And this would last No. Because I I felt intense emotion.
Oti: Did does it do you not think about the Million Dollar Baby and think about, like, applying it into your sort of day to day life. Like, The Million Dollar Baby left me with such a deep sort of sense of feel that I've not felt in a view. And Uh-huh. It just it's one of those movies that I would always think about, and it's something that I'd probably rewatch in another couple of months as well.
Oti: Like, it's it's amazing. And the fact that I didn't rewatch it for such a long time just made me just reminded me of how good it is and how rewatchable and how it stands the test of fucking time.
KT: I get what you're saying, but once I was done with the film, it was done. Alright. And that's why I didn't give it a nine. Okay. Let's move on. And we are two episodes away from the end, guys. So, again, whether you got this far or whether you didn't get this far, we welcome and thank you so much. Mhmm. We have our episode that we've recorded the most. Mhmm. Three fucking attempts. Master of None.
Oti: Master of None. Aziz Ansari. It's a funny little d and I enjoyed it.
KT: Did you call it a little d?
Oti: Yep. And I would give it an eight.
KT: An eight. Yep. Name. We and, like, I really love that episode that we recorded so much that we had to record it three times. That's how much we loved it because I think if we didn't really like it, we would have to just give up. Yeah. Probably. The pod gods have punished us, and we deserve it. Like, we've done a whole lot of filthy shit, so it's understandable. But I really liked that episode because,
KT: you know, a lot of the time, except for Office Space, you know, we do focus a lot on the characters and the overarching sort of intention of the show or the film. But in Master of None, it there's no way not to feel introspective about it. And, you know, myself having immigrant parents, you know, parents that have migrated to Australia, I really felt it.
Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I felt it too. And that's why I gave it such a high rating.
KT: Oh. I rated it eight. And hello. It is Yul Tai Chi. It is Christmas time, my loves. Mhmm. And we rounded out this year unless we have time and or energy to cover another episode. We finished off this year with a Christmas film, arguably. Because again, I don't believe it's a Christmas film. It's A Wonderful Life.
Oti: Oh, one of the best movies ever made. One of the best Christmas movies ever made. Let me rephrase that. I grew up with this movie. It has so much meaning in my life. And the fact that I've watched this over probably 40 times just goes to show you.
KT: How old are you?
Oti: I'm not gonna talk about its rewatchability value because clearly it's there. Even though I was forced to watch because we had only one channel, I still think that this was a good movie and that's why I'd give it a nine.
KT: Wow. Yeah. I thought this was gonna be a cute Christmas tradition but maybe not.
Oti: Tell me tell me your rating for this.
KT: Do you wanna guess?
Oti: I think you'd say a six or some shit.
KT: Seven.
KT: Listen, it literally came out last week. So if you were living in linear time, you would have heard the episode if you had a chance. If you didn't, that's fine. We still love you. But wow. Wow. If I disregard the fact that it's a Christmas film, it is a nice sort of insular story about a guy that has unfulfilled potential that really Who lives in all of us. Maybe in you fucking papa. But if you really take that message of
KT: living the life that you want to live and not living with any sort of regrets. And again, Hail Satan because there was a reference to Hail Satan about It's a Wonderful Life. Yes. And I understood it because we had watched the film before watching the documentary. So I enjoyed it. I think it was quite a nice cautionary tale. I do think it would fuck children up though. I don't think that kid is like that film is for children. But as a film overall,
KT: that's why I gave it such a high rating.
Oti: A high rating of a seven?
KT: For that sort of film, it could have gotten less.
Oti: Alright. I'll take where I can get it. And It's A Wonderful Life is no nowhere better than we could end this podcast because it meant so much.
KT: Oh, don't do that.
Oti: And and it's just goes to show you how much KT values me in this relationship to give me a seven. Oh my.
KT: Wow. Are you for real? Yeah. Like, 100%? Mhmm. Okay. Well, what a lovely time dipping our toes in TV shows and films that we have covered this year. For sure. Again, I know we said it, we fucking love you guys so much for checking out our podcast. We are the little podcast that could.
KT: And
KT: yes, we do have a Patreon, but you you don't have to be obliged to go into it. You know, Oti loves technology, he will continue to upgrade our podcast, and we will continue to buy all of the streaming sort of platforms that we can. But if you do wanna help anywhere along the way, then again, it is most welcome. And like we said in our Spartacus episode, you're more than welcome to sit on our Jupiter's cock. Oh, for sure. And we love you all just the same. Thank you so much.
KT: This was a fucking monstrous episode. So we'll definitely had to split it. Yeah. Right? Hopefully, you were having fun with all of your loved ones, whether they're family, your chosen family, all of your friends. You know, if you ever wanna chat to us, we're always around. I love a good fight. On Twitter and Instagram, we are For Your Ref Pod. You can write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. And we'll see you guys next fucking year, 2020.
Oti: 2020.
KT: That's our fucking vision. Thank you so much, guys.
Oti: See you. Bye.
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