A Merry Reference Christmas 2019 (Part 1)

Full transcript of A Merry Reference Christmas 2019 (Part 1).

0:23KT: Howdy, friends and lovers. It's the For Your Reference podcast. You got to host KT.

0:23Oti: And Oti.

0:23KT: And Oti, it's a very exciting episode to round out the year.

0:23Oti: It sure is.

0:23KT: We have done over 40 TV movie reviews. We've done some bonus content. We've had some lovely guests along the way. Thank you so much to everyone that has listened. We started in February and this has been a lovely little pet project aside from our real pet. So we just wanna say thank you so much

0:56KT: to everyone that has listened from the start, listened a few times or, you know, this is your first time listening. We love and appreciate you guys so much. Also shout outs to particular levels of our Patreons. You'll be able to see the video version of this episode. So you get myself, fake Oti. You might even get Theo in the background. And, you know, there's a lot of things not a lot of things, but there are some things when we're recording, we're like, oh, that was too much. We're going to cut that out.

1:27KT: It's going to stay in the video version. And if you follow us on Twitter in particular, there were some films that we just got too angry to talk about. Yep. So we're actually going to discuss those vetoed films in our video version, not in this particular episode. So if you want some juicy morsels, you definitely need to consider. You don't have to but if you want to, that's there as well but it is going to be a very good time. Grab yourself a snack, grab yourself a beverage.

1:59KT: We were going to do a shot game. This is the breast milk of Oti if you can see it on the video right now. Unfortunately, we drank all of our provisions before this episode. So we're just going to have a nice chat and a drink while we look back on our year Yeah. So far. Do you remember our first episode? It was something very significant to both of us.

2:24Oti: Black Panther, of course.

2:26KT: Oti forever. Yeah. So, you know, in a lot of our episodes, we talk about how we don't really do the traditional sort of rating out of 10. Rating shit out of five, we don't know her. Like, a five is too little. Yeah. I think. It it doesn't, like, express the breadth of how you feel about a film. So we're going to be rating things out of 10. If you always wanted to know,

2:54KT: you know, like, you know, these two are talking shit, but what do they really think? Like, give me an actual number of how you feel. This episode is for you guys. So let's start off with Black Panther. Feel free to give yourself a justification or explanation. But yeah. So how how how would you rate it out of 10?

3:13Oti: Oh, Black Panther. Mhmm. Solid eight.

3:17KT: Oh, that's a bit high. You're gonna you're gonna start off that high?

3:28Oti: Where else are we going to go, dude? Just because of what it meant, it was just more than a movie to a lot of people, and it deserved every plot it got. So definitely, eight.

3:33KT: Yeah. I I don't agree with you, but that was nice.

3:33Oti: What what about you?

3:33KT: I would give Black Panther a solid seven.

3:44Oti: Really?

3:45KT: Seven seven to me. So, like, if I if I was to talk about the way I rate things, six is I don't regret watching it. Seven is I don't regret watching it, and I might watch it again.

3:45Oti: And what is eight?

3:45KT: But it didn't change my it didn't change my world in any way.

3:45Oti: And what is eight to you?

3:45KT: Eight, if it started playing at my funeral, I wouldn't be mad.

4:10Oti: 10? Just coming all over the movie?

4:12KT: And you. And anyone else that is in my proximity. You're all getting my sploosh mountains. Oh, dear. Well, how about you? What what's eight? They made a film, so congratulations. No.

4:25Oti: Eight is something memorable that I won't forget. Something that I'll rewatch, something that resonated with me well. A seven is something that I was like, it's alright. Kudos to those guys for making a movie.

4:40KT: And this is actually quite interesting because I remember when we went to go and watch Knives Out, which is like the Voldemort in the For Your Reference household. We actually agreed that if we were watching it at home, we would have stopped it. So I think that's also an interesting like, does that count as part of the rating or is that just not fair to rate it that way? So, yeah, it's I guess it's an interesting if you guys also rate movies and TV shows, let's have a delicious discussion because now that we have changing cinema and people are buying

5:12KT: sound systems, Oti in particular, you know, creating these home theaters and you don't necessarily need to go to the cinema, does that make it less? You know what I mean? So I think that's quite an interesting topic to explore. Possibly not today though because we have quite a lot to get through. So, yes, I do not agree with you. I think you gave too much to Black Panther.

5:12Oti: Alright. Now you're gonna get very disappointed in what, two, three years time when Black Panther two comes out?

5:40Oti: I'll probably give it even higher.

5:40KT: Actually, is this is a fun little running joke for our beloved listeners. What is the name of the actor that plays Killmonger?

5:40Oti: BC Jordan.

5:40KT: He said ever so confidently. You will never get it, will you?

5:40Oti: Probably not.

5:40KT: At least he get at least he's sticking to this one. He used to have quite a few variations of Michael B. Jordan. But there you go. Again, if you're interested, we have a second part of our recording that we never released

6:12KT: that is available on our Pardon the Pun tier. So if you wanna hear what we actually rated it and if it's the same, I don't even know if Oti remembers what he what he rated it, you know, consider. It's up to you. Live your best life, whatever you wanna do. Do you remember our second episode? Vikings.

6:30Oti: Skål,

6:31KT: friends and lovers. Skål. This is oh, look at me. I'm such a video vixen. Wow. These are some interesting trinkets that we got. So if you can see the video, you know what we're drinking out of. But wow wow wow, what a series.

6:48Oti: What a series indeed and that's why I'd give it an eight.

6:48KT: Oh, not enough, dude.

6:54Oti: What do you mean not enough?

6:54KT: See, this episode was just so I could judge Oti and we could openly judge him.

6:54Oti: Really? I think it's a it's a really strong eight.

6:54KT: If you give Game of Thrones more than Vikings, I'm going to go on a rampage. Not a cutesy Reggie rampage, a full on Archer-esque rampage.

7:14Oti: Vikings is good. That's why I gave it an eight. Vikings is good, and that's what makes it great.

7:20KT: I would rate Vikings the way it deserves with a nine out of 10.

7:26Oti: A nine.

7:27KT: Fight me. Wow.

7:29Oti: Wow.

7:30KT: That is too high. You are too high.

7:35Oti: I love Vikings. I introduced you to Vikings Fate. So I know a good show. I know it's a good show. And an eight is pretty much where it falls in.

7:47KT: And Nah, dude. Nah, dude.

7:50KT: See? And I think this is it's very divisive in the For Your Reference household. That's probably why we've never done this before.

7:50Oti: You know, a nine is something that you, like, watched back to back, and you're like, oh my god. I could watch all the episodes all over again without feeling like bulging my eyes out. Vikings had a few dodgy episodes in the second season.

8:11KT: Yeah. It did. And that's why it's not 10. You know what? And this is this is interesting. So let's let's talk about it before we continue on with the rest of the episodes. Especially with TV shows, how are you ranking it? Because for me, it's an overall ranking. It doesn't matter if it like, Prison Break, for example Mhmm. Which we'll eventually cover on our show. First season, one chef kiss. But it didn't make up for the really shitty season. So overall,

8:40KT: my rating for Prison Break would be lower than I would want it to be because it's overall, or do you just give a high points because you love season one?

8:49Oti: No. I'll give it it depends. It depends. It's accumulative of everything up until it's it's end. So it probably wouldn't be as high as what season one was because season one for Prison Break was pretty much a 10.

9:03KT: Okay. We're not rating that. We're not rating that.

9:03Oti: I was just saying. I was just

9:03KT: You're rating everything. Who are you? Mark Zuckerberg from Social Network?

9:12Oti: But Vikings had a dodgy a few dodgy episodes, and it cannot be anything higher than an eight for me.

9:17KT: And that's why you live in a sad, sad world, my love. Mhmm. Sad world indeed. Our third episode was a quaint, lovely. It was one of those films that we were just scrolling, you know, the streaming services, and we found it. And we're like, you know what? Let's give it a go. Yeah. Leigh Whannell. Right? Invisible Man is coming out soon. I don't know much about it, but I was following his little adventures in Sydney Mhmm. Hoping to get casted somehow. But

9:54KT: we love that film. We really, really love that. And, you know, listen to our episode if you've watched Upgrade. A lot of the things that we cover on our show, we do love, so we would recommend. Obviously, you'll hear the ones that I personally do not care for. I think you pretty much liked everything we covered this year. Right? Yeah.

10:15KT: Is it Oti endorsed?

10:15Oti: Oti endorsed. Certified guarantee.

10:19KT: Oh, wow. That's a big claim. It is. From big daddy Oti. Mhmm. So really enjoyed Upgrade. It was it was one of those films that just, like, it was all encompassing and it just blew you away and it blew you back in in all the right places. Yeah. So let's let's talk about ratings.

10:43Oti: Oh, I would give it a 7.5.

10:49KT: Wow. Do do you care about anything? I do. See, I was saying I was the harsh rater, and you're like, I think wait until we get further into the series. Right? Yep. Wow. 7.5. What's the difference between seven and eight and seven point five?

11:09Oti: A 7.5 is something that's because a seven to me is something that it's something that's rewatchable, kind of, but you really you really not go for it.

11:22KT: Some There films that are really good that you'll never watch again, but it was still good.

11:28Oti: Yeah. Those would probably be a six or something. So Upgrade for me is a 7.5 just because it's nearing towards being completely memorable and having some sort of rewatchability value.

11:38KT: My love for Oti is like my indecisiveness over whether I should get a tattoo or not. Seems like a good idea, but I know I'm gonna regret it. I thought this was gonna be a fun little idea, but apparently, it is the demise of our household. Mhmm. Wow. I really enjoyed it.

11:38Oti: You did?

11:38KT: Yes.

11:38Oti: Tell me your rating.

11:38KT: Eight.

12:05Oti: You give Black Panther a seven and I'm Yes. Really an

12:09KT: Oh, wow. Call me Lee.

12:11Oti: Satisfaction is easy. Outside the bounds, are you?

12:15KT: Hey. Really? Are we gonna that early? Step away from your breast milk.

12:20Oti: Mate, you're just trying to be controversial.

12:23KT: Tune in for our so original pitch of the references where we have Oti's milk. I can't wait to talk about the boys. Well, this is becoming a problem, isn't it? Yeah. For sure. If you guys are still there, thank you for tuning in. If if you're finding this fun of us arguing, which is what we do all the time. But let's keep going.

12:49Oti: Alright. Afterlife.

12:52KT: Afterlife. Ricky Gervais recently won an award for his performance in this series. Obviously, if you want some more context, listen to all of the episodes that we're referencing.

13:03Oti: And what did I tell you? I told you when this came out and we watched it that Ricky Gervais is becoming more of a thespian. A thespian. And and it was such an amazing performance from him, and I loved every minute of it. It's sad. It has some light moments, but overall, atmosphere of it, it's quite moody, dark, and I lived for it. I loved it. It made me feel things I didn't think I'd feel from Ricky Gervais, so kudos to him.

13:29KT: Yeah. And I think whether it's comedy or whether it's just writing in general, if you've got that talent, it can translate into other genres. Yeah.

13:29Oti: Which I didn't expect it for him at all.

13:29KT: Yeah. I know. You're a bit touch and go about.

13:47Oti: And that's why my rating for Afterlife is a bloody eight.

13:49KT: Why do you pump it up so much and you only give it an eight?

13:53Oti: Eight is a high number.

13:56KT: Yeah. But it's like okay. Well, I'm gonna give my rating and this is before I knew that he won for his performance. I gave Afterlife a nine.

13:56Oti: Oh, nice.

13:56KT: I don't worry. I have some very low ratings throughout the rest of the year.

14:09Oti: The only reason why I didn't give it a nine is because I don't think I'd go back and rewatch Afterlife.

14:15KT: I would. In as much as it's a good show. Sometimes purposely watch stuff just so you can cry and attribute it to whatever you're watching, but really it's like all of your years of repression.

14:29Oti: No. I feel like it'll be too sad for me to rewatch it. And that's why I was like, yeah. I'll just give it an eight because it's it's a touch and go.

14:31KT: Actually, that'll be an interesting thing to talk about with Joker because I referenced Afterlife when we did the Joker episode. Yeah, let's come back to that. I really appreciate it. I liked it. And, you know, a lot of the time we talk about the classic formula of having levity when you have something really dark or, you know, that comic sort of relief even in sort of like Shakespearean writing as well. So

14:58KT: Afterlife didn't have that. Like, the the funny moments were, like, the morbid shit. Like, all, like, really uncomfortable or, like, when he's sitting on the bench with the old lady and they're laughing about dead people and that sort of stuff. So that that's that's my flavoring. That's my flavor of reference, if you'll pardon the pun. So I really I really latched on to that. And, like, if I need a good cry and there's no more dog YouTube videos that I can watch about dogs being adopted, it's definitely Afterlife.

15:29KT: Great. Nice. Give accolades or accolades at you, dude. I am.

15:34Oti: That's why it's hailing it and ate me.

15:36KT: You you're allowed to have an opinion, but I'm also allowed to call you trash. Moving on. We I don't know why we were so heavy. You know, recently, I felt like we were doing a lot of heavy stuff, but apparently, we were doing that straight out of the gate. Oh. And I think it was the first it was definitely the first docuseries Mhmm. That we did, and it might even be the only docuseries.

16:00Oti: I think it is. No. When They See Us is kind of as well.

16:02KT: But, anyway, let's go to the HBO docuseries Leaving Neverland.

16:09Oti: That

16:10KT: was some heavy shit. That was some heavy shit. After Afterlife. We called it a bonus, but it's a fully fledged episode.

16:18Oti: It is a fully fledged episode, but we released at the same time as Afterlife. And Just just just a dreary pairing to have. Yeah. Yeah. If you wanted to particularly feel really sad that week, we really did get your back. So my rating for Leaving Neverland is 6.5.

16:39KT: You know what?

16:39Oti: What?

16:39KT: I am rating things much higher than you.

16:39Oti: Really?

16:39KT: I am learning a lot about myself today.

16:39Oti: Tell me. Now I'm curious.

16:39KT: I actually rated it an eight.

16:39Oti: Wow.

16:39KT: Listen to that episode. The funny thing is we were not to say that we are, like, super learned. I just pulled up both of my glasses right now.

17:04KT: But we because we were so new and it was one of our first sort of episodes, we were I don't think we even said alleged. We're like, he fucking did this. These poor kids, he fucking did this. Like, we were really feeling all the feels. And, you know, I I talked a bit about it in the episode, but, like, Michael Jackson was everywhere. Like, you can go to remote places, like, in Papua New Guinea or, like, wherever in the world, but people still know his songs. Right? So just the just the influence

17:33KT: that he had, like, it didn't even matter which demographic, which age. He kind of, you know, transcended all of that. He did. But, you know, to hear those personal detailed accounts, it was a lot. It was really a lot. And, you know, I guess if that's if that's how Oti wants to rate it, that's fine. But, wow, I would love I I I'm very excited to see what you would rate higher than me now because apparently, I'm rating everything higher except for Black Panther.

18:04Oti: The only thing that meant so much to me in this list so far, just bringing you back to Afterlife. Oh, sorry. To Leaving Neverland.

18:04KT: You wanna go to the Afterlife soon?

18:04Oti: What? Regardless of which side of the fence you see it on on the Neverland Ranch on this.

18:04KT: Poor taste.

18:20KT: What? It's it's Poor taste.

18:24Oti: It's completely a 100% accurate.

18:25KT: You're lucky I'm on this podcast. Otherwise, there would be no class at all.

18:32Oti: Whichever side of the fence is sitting on this, it was a well put up documentary, I think, and it did showcase a few things. Remember when the first episode, you were like, we don't really get the gravitas of this, so it didn't really pull us into the emotional trauma that they both faced until when we started hearing from Wade. They And were like, oh, wow. Fucking shit, man. You could see the emotion. You could see us getting pulled in Mhmm. More and more. So it was well put out,

19:05Oti: but I think it still had a few things think it still had a few things missing, and that's why I gave it a 6.5.

19:13KT: So getting getting you to say it was Sorry. The pause was for my judgmental face tour, though, too. Well, I I think I'm justified in putting whatever really got feel like it into some of It's like one of those buddy cop comedies where they don't discuss who's going to be the bad cop and who's going to be the good cop. Know your know your archetype. You're typecast for a reason, my dear. Oh, yeah. Let's skip on over. This was a great episode again. Hallelujah, hallelujah, my best friend.

19:51Oti: Oh, I think I know what it is now.

19:54KT: The 2017 film Get Out by our other best friend, Jordan Peele. But he won't be our best friend in another one of his episodes that we've covered. So let's so let's talk about it. You wanna just go straight into your rating? Yes.

20:07Oti: I'd give it a nine.

20:10KT: Oh, smooth. Smooth. Smooth. Smooth. Am I shaking his hand? Am I wanking him off? You won't know because you can't see him, but you can hear the pleasure.

20:28Oti: Just because it was exciting. It was thrilling. And it's one of those films where it I guess it depends, like, what what your circles look like in regards to whether it's something you just like because when people talk about great original films, Get Out is always on my list. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. And I was super excited about Get Out, and I was not disappointed. We've rewatched it. So you see, this is why I gave it a nine. We've rewatched it, meaning it has rewatchability value. It was a great movie.

20:50Oti: It has I call it the storytelling was there. It resonated with us on so many levels, and I was living for it. And that's why I give it a nine. Not just giving things a nine just because it has your beyond in it. He can butter my bread any day.

21:06KT: Excuse me. I gave poignant arguments as to why I'm rating stuff. I didn't know that I had to defend myself in my own household. How dare you?

21:06Oti: I was just saying.

21:06KT: How dare you? Terrible. Don't tell me. You know what? If you can't if you can't remember what the episode titles were, I feel like your ratings are void. I feel like your ratings don't count. Oh, what was Get Out? It was two words.

21:35Oti: Oh, give me a hint. Give me a hint.

21:35KT: The second word is love. You're not gonna get it.

21:35Oti: Love?

21:40KT: Yeah. The second word is love. Sunken love. Oh, fuck off. Oh, booyah. Yeah. That that was that was, like, an easy one. And I know sometimes people don't care, but I really enjoy

21:53KT: the episode titles even to the point where there's like some pressure. Sometimes I give Oti like options of what the episode titles will be and then he'll he'll he'll choose one, but that's obviously not the one. You know ladies, you know what I'm doing. I'd I'd the You You make make him him think it's his decision. Right? Even though everything I do is two chef kisses, I would do four, but I'm on a video right now, so we're not four chef kissing. But thank you, anyone that appreciates some good wordplay

22:22KT: amongst all the other plays that we can do. I'd say the best ones we've definitely done together. So Vomit. You've only done two.

22:29Oti: Which are one of the best titles we've come up with? Panning Michael's

22:33KT: jolly life or some shit. I think he gave a 6.5 to your title, Amy. Oh, dude. It's Jada. No. This is fun. No. This is fun. Let's continue. Maybe at the end, we'll do the ones that we haven't done As we continue the episode, you need to tell me what the titles are.

22:57Oti: Cool.

22:58KT: Yeah. So we so we did Get Out, and we love I don't know if there's a world that doesn't like Get Out, though. That'd who don't like Get Out. Just go on the IMDb page. And speaking of, shout out to Daniel and Dean from the IMDb journey. We did a movie draft with them. B and B? The double d's. Yeah. If you're nasty. And we had a movie draft, and the movie draft was Blumhouse Films,

23:25KT: and we chose Get Out. I completely crushed that. It was literally by one vote. That's what made it so splooge worthy. Like, I was just, like, flicking my bean in the office, watching the result.

23:25Oti: So what what rating would you give it?

23:25KT: Oh, it's very hard for me to give a 10. It's very hard for me to give a 10. So I too, sir, give a nine. Okay. The next episode that we did is actually our most listened to.

23:55Oti: By Imagine.

23:56KT: Both episodes. Yeah. And it's also the first TV show or movie that we've covered in the same year. Oh. And it is La Casa de Papel.

24:10Oti: Money Heist for you basic bitches out there. Bella, ciao.

24:14KT: Bella, ciao. Bella, ciao. I know you were doing the house remix. Oh, I'm I'm so obsessed with them. And the boom boom ciao. Mhmm. Oh, and I just like, yes. We love to wank ourselves off. And maybe if you pay us enough, we'll do it on video. But I'm so proud of us that we actually covered Money Heist. Yeah. We did. Because we were talking about it, and we were trying to form our schedule. It's in our first 10 episodes. So it was our seventh episode

24:46KT: and also our twenty third where we did part three. And we took a risk.

24:51Oti: TV

24:52KT: shows and movie podcasts, you you could get lost. Right? It's like Jonathan Rhys Meyers swimming in pussy. Like, you can get lost in TV and movie podcasts. So, you know, you wanna try and be as popular as possible.

25:11Oti: Yeah. But this is where we were like, we're so passionate about having watched it and having loved it. Like, regardless of how we we really didn't think we'll get as many listens as he did. We did it for us. And it was more like,

25:26Oti: you know what? It doesn't really matter what people if people would listen to it or not. It really did mean a lot to us. And Yeah. It was such a good, well put out show. Like, regardless of what people would respond to it, we'll just put it out and see how it goes.

25:43KT: Because I know, again, with my double glasses trying to hold the can I even call this what it is? Well, I'm holding a device, and I'm holding my full glass of wine. Like, I know, again, we like to wank ourselves off, but, like, I'm so happy we did that episode. And that's also essentially the reason why we started this podcast because we love our friends, but they're fucking trash when it comes to talking TV shows. Yep. And when it comes to talking movies, like, we wanted to create a space again. I know that sounds wanker ish, but that's what we do.

26:13KT: We wanted to create a space where people could come and have a giggle gaggle with a couple of dysfunctional people and just have a laugh and sometimes have a cry together. I can't remember who it is, but they actually told me that one of our I think it was our Joker episode made them cry. Yeah. So shout out to you guys. We are like Boyz II Men. We are here. 4 Seasons of Loneliness. Come and join our podcast. We will keep you company. But

26:42KT: Money Heist really embodies how I feel about our podcast in particular.

26:47Oti: Yeah. It it copy it encapsulates

26:49KT: who we are as people in terms of But you're talking all this shit, and you're gonna give it some fucking low rating. No. Let's go that. Let's go to the rating.

26:56Oti: I would give Money Heist a bloody nine.

27:02KT: I would give it a fucking 10. And that means a lot. Like, Oti knows I don't rate shit out of 10. A 10? And you know what? We can talk about it because I know I know I'm pretentious as all fucking hell. Like, I'm sitting here in my Christmas gear, but I I don't know. Like and I don't feel like I did it because it's foreign. You know how sometimes, like, oh, I watch foreign shit. I read subtitles, so I'm better than you. It's not necessarily story is so ace.

27:31Oti: It is. It really is ace. And the the emotional

27:35KT: investment that I, you know, deposited into this series,

27:42Oti: the the emotional payoff is well worth it. It really was. And by the time we did this, we didn't think there'll be another season.

27:50KT: It was yet to be picked up by Netflix. No. Because that was the Spanish series, the channel, the network, or whatever the you wanna call it, that's all they envisioned, 15 episodes, and that was it. But, obviously, it got picked up by Netflix. But, man, part three, I am so glad because we'll talk about Black Mirror, but, like, Black Mirror decline in, like, quality. Come and fight me, people. But, yeah, let's let's keep going. Let's keep going. But solid 10. Solid

28:19KT: solid solid 10. Because, you know, sometimes you won't rewatch stuff. Sometimes you won't, like, necessarily agree with the themes about fucking hell, man. Like

28:29Oti: This just ticks all the boxes, really. Yeah.

28:32KT: Like, hello, El Profesor. I'm still waiting for my for my mission. I can be Sydney.

28:40Oti: Oh, you sure? You you can't I'm just assuming that's a city in Tonga. I feel like I did that justice.

28:51KT: How dare you? When have I attempted a Kenyan accent on this actually, no. I do that shit all the fucking time. Exactly. Okay. If you've got your little scorecard, I did post on Twitter and Instagram some screenshots of all of our episodes. So if you wanna do some dodgy, like, ratings along the way, like a ratings bingo, you can do so. Because this next episode that we covered is going to be quite different in regards to how, at least myself in particular, I've been rating things. And

29:26KT: that is our best friend, Jordan Peele, makes another appearance, and we actually cover I think it's the first box office that we cover as well. Like, the a film that came out at the time, and that is Jordan Peele's Us. Oh,

29:41Oti: Us. You know, we were pretty much on the same boat on how we thought about the film.

29:45KT: And we were scared. Like, we were scared. It was, what, our eighth episode, and all we could hear were reviews about it being an amazing masterpiece, and it was better than Get Out. About the duality.

30:00Oti: It was all about the duality. And by the time we went there, we were bloody pissed.

30:06KT: And but at the same time, we were scared because, again, we love our handful of listeners, but we were worried that we would polarize our podcast because we actually didn't enjoy it. Like, obviously, there were secondary elements that make a film that we enjoyed about it, but we didn't necessarily like, we expected better, essentially. We did. And we was we were like, oh, do we not cover this?

30:30Oti: Right? If this was Jordan Jordan Peele's first movie, we'd be like, yeah. But he was this was his second after Get Out. Expectations are so much higher.

30:44KT: Oh, yeah. No. But not even that. Like, if you just ignore Get Out, it was garbage, son. Yeah. Yeah.

30:46Oti: And that's why my rating for this would be a 5.5.

30:51KT: Stop rating lower than me. I'm supposed to be the queen bitch.

30:57Oti: What's your rating for Us?

30:57KT: Six.

30:57Oti: Oh. I I thought about going to six, but then six is point fives. Six is something that you would you'd not necessarily rewatch, but you'd at least sort of enjoy.

30:57KT: My six is I don't regret watching it.

30:57Oti: And as a matter of fact, this was put out as a horror flick. And a lot of horrors a lot of good, good horrors linger in the six sort of mark in IMDb.

31:27Oti: And when you see a six on a horror movie, you know that gotta be really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Well, not really good, but it's it's worth a watch. Like like, it's good. A six for horror films is good. So I thought in as much as I did think it was trash and it had a lot of production value and all of that nonsense. I really didn't think it would be fair to give it a six, and that's why I bumped it down to a 5.5.

31:51KT: Well, I gave it a six because I didn't regret watching it, but I was just disappointed. But yeah. So oh, man. I thought I was going to have, you know, the lowest rating. And who knew Oti was the queen bitch all along? Yep.

32:07Oti: Oh, I think I remember what the next episode would be in this. Because I think I was really excited after Us to just do something that I loved. And I think I roped you into watching Game of Thrones if I'm correct. Right? It is. And you've got a spreadsheet in front of you, you dickhead.

32:25KT: Oh, in in my mystic wine palace. Fuck off. What are trying to dick me. I made this I made this spreadsheet for you, and now you're trying to wank yourself off. Like, literally, again, you can't see what he's doing. But, yes, we and we didn't even do the episode titles. Do you remember the episode title Game of Thrones? Oh,

32:48Oti: give me a hint.

32:49KT: No. I'm not giving you a hint. He was just like, oh, it's Game of Thrones. Yeah, motherfucker. I sent you the spreadsheet. Something to do with Baratheon.

32:57Oti: Baratheon, you ain't shit?

33:00Oti: Nah. I can't remember. Tell me. Tell me. Tell me what time was.

33:00KT: It's fine. Wait. Like, this is going to be, like, Irishman esque duration if we wait for you to do all these titles, so it's fine. It was, unhand me you, Baratheon.

33:00Oti: No. I was close.

33:00KT: Oh, piss off. Okay. Give us your rating.

33:00Oti: Nine.

33:00KT: You rate Game of Thrones over Vikings?

33:24Oti: Yes. Just because

33:24KT: Such a fucking fanboy. Jesus.

33:24Oti: Just because the first five seasons when the book was there and the book was available, it was a really good show. It made sense. It was encapsulating. You're looking for it. You're looking forward to it week by week. When it wasn't available, you're eagerly waiting for it. Something that even the episodes that was hugely Bran focused, you are all you're always considering, okay. This has to play

33:55KT: You told me. You told me, no. Bran's not in this. There was a whole fucking season of Bran. Troubling.

34:01Oti: Even in those seasons, I I expected that he would play a bigger role. You know? My mistake. But during that time, I was like, okay. They're setting this up. I'm excited. I had conspiracy

34:13Oti: theories going all over my head, and this is what Game of Thrones did to you. And that's why it really in as much as they dropped the ball, they did still deserve what they made in the first five. And that's why I give it a nine.

34:13KT: So you rank it over Vikings?

34:13Oti: Slightly over Vikings.

34:33KT: No. Not slightly. You you rank it over Vikings. You don't deserve to watch I'm not watching Vikings with you anymore. You don't deserve it.

34:33Oti: So, Toby, you're rating miss?

34:33KT: Seven.

34:43Oti: That's quite high.

34:43KT: I was actually gonna rate it six, but I knew you would give me shit for it.

34:43Oti: You ranked you ranked Upgrade higher than five than Game of Thrones.

34:43KT: I did.

34:43Oti: Oti maths. Oh, wow. And this is what happens if you don't use Abacus as children. You misunderstand the value of numbers.

35:02KT: Our abacus daddy, if you're nasty. Oti is apparently, he invested in a lot of abacuses because he thought it was going to be a growing trend. So look out for our merch coming out next year. For sure. Are those the beads you can count on? Mhmm. The

35:22Oti: beads you can count on. Oh, it's such a shame we're not talking about The Wire. I thought I would have been nailing that reference. How do you give it a seven though? That's card's full. That's really mean. Alright. So I think Game of Thrones has had enough airtime.

35:36KT: Mhmm. Some might argue too much airtime. And that is me. Mhmm. So let's move on. Do you know what the next episode is?

35:47Oti: This is my bad. Many bad. Escape Room featuring Jay Ellis. We stan a good Lawrence in this household.

35:59KT: Oh, fuck off. Well, we're going we're going to talk about Insecure soon, so let's just let's just keep going.

36:04Oti: Escape Room, I'd give it a 4.5. It was fucking disappointing.

36:08KT: I'm going to ban you from point fives because they literally add nothing.

36:08Oti: Okay. I'll give it a four.

36:08KT: Me too. Let's wank each other off. Flick me, sir.

36:18Oti: It's nothing that I go back to rewatch for sure. Yeah. And it's something that I actually regret watching.

36:24KT: And I know we covered it on our podcast, but I will deny it. I will deny that I ever watched that film.

36:34Oti: And to be fair to KT, that was just because of my doing and it having Jay Ellis in it.

36:40KT: Are you taking accountability for your own actions, sir?

36:40Oti: Yes. I am.

36:40KT: Well, you should also regret Game of Thrones. But anyway, that's a story for another day. Mhmm. I think that's it. I think that's enough. Enough. The funny thing about that episode was, you know, you never know like, Gene Wilder, you never know which sort of avenue you're going to go down in regards to the lovely chocolate and milk chocolate factory For Your Reference.

37:09KT: And we ended up having a real conversation about soldiers and how we need to treat them better no matter which country you come from. So Yeah. Again, sometimes you get dicks, dicks, dicks. All the dicks swinging motherfucking dicks. And sometimes you get some real conversations about how we should treat our veterans. Yeah. For sure. So really that was the takeaway for me in regards to talking about Escape Room, but that was fucking shite.

37:36Oti: Oh, should we cover the next episode then?

37:42KT: Oh, let's let's shout. My lady love, and Oti likes to point out that I have many lady loves. If anything, you should be happy that I have more lady loves than man parts. I don't know. What's the equivalent? Insecure, the HBO series by the ever effervescent Issa Rae. Yeah.

38:02Oti: It's a good show. I think I've referenced It is a good show. I think that was my last reference in a podcast we did. So it's it's super good. It's super fresh. And my rating for this would be a nine because we stand up goodies already in this household. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. What?

38:21KT: You rated it higher than I did. Oh, fuck.

38:26Oti: Fuck. Really? Yeah. Tell me your rating. I'm curious now.

38:26KT: I rated it an eight.

38:26Oti: Oh, really?

38:36KT: Issa Rae, I love you so much. If you're listening to this or if you're watching the video, I love you so much. Jesus, man. Just because If you gave me Awkward Black Girl, I would rate it a 10. I don't know. And it was like because I rated this after we did all of our episodes, including Master of None. And I realized how Master of None captured a lot more in regards to the immigrant sort of experience, not just like your

39:05KT: your young hippity hop buying cocktails for 10 actually, no. Cocktails are $20 in Australia. Come and buy us a drink, guys. And the famous wordsmith of T-Pain. Oh, bye. You were trying. T-Pain, what are you doing here? Oh, you're welcome.

39:25Oti: Oh, that's surprising. I thought, like, it's it's super clever, witty. It has super rewatchability value. All the characters, you can pretty much resonate with in their own regard. It's quite a show that's different from what HBO have been spilling out. So for me, it just ticked a lot of boxes, and I was like, okay. This definitely is nothing but less but a nine just because of my criteria and what I had rated the other things. So for sure, Insecure just did a lot for me, and Issa Rae is amazing.

40:02Oti: And I'm looking forward to whatever else she'd be working on apart from Instagram. Feel like this is the start for her. This is Asara. She can only get stronger. It's like

40:02KT: Eight isn't a bad

40:02Oti: This is this is her Get Out. This is her Get Out. So

40:02KT: Eight isn't a bad rating.

40:02Oti: Eight isn't a bad rating, but for someone who apparently stans Issa Rae.

40:02KT: Okay. I okay. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. I know I have a trophy case of stans, and I know you want my drink over here, and that's why you're being a bitter bitch to me.

40:30KT: But I'm not going to give it to you. But I really feel like there's so much more of Issa Rae that we can experience. And I love Insecure. I really do. But I feel like Insecure kind of falls more into, like, guilty pleasure as opposed to, like, okay. We need to take this offline because I fucking love Issa, and there's so much she can do. And she also has an audio drama series. I bet you didn't know that, motherfucker.

41:01Oti: I didn't know, but then again, I didn't give Insecure an eight. Oh, piss off. Also, I'm saying is each episode of Insecure is watchable. Like, you're feeling like you're like, I wanna afford this. I wanna skip this episode. No. All episodes are pretty funny.

41:17KT: Yeah. But you also forgot the fact that you kept calling Issa trash the whole series.

41:23Oti: Because she's trash. I'm not talking about I'm not talking about Issa as as as a producer, as a writer in this. I'm talking about Issa as the character, and she is super trash.

41:23KT: Well, she's in good company then.

41:23Oti: Yeah. Trash knows trash, mate.

41:39KT: Evidently. Evidently. But, you know, definitely give a listen to that episode. If you've ever wondered what we would sound like as a relationship podcast, I think Insecure is the best example. Oh, for sure. For sure. And the title of that was loser into Lawrence.

41:56Oti: Yeah.

41:57KT: That was fucking ace. Again, we we can't keep talking about the episode titles because I will literally be here all night. Mhmm. The next episode that we covered so, you know you know, if and also if you guys have podcasts as well, we try to strike a balance in regards to what's popular, what we want to cover, and that sort of thing. So, you know, we had done Escape Room, which evidently no one watched. I think the amount in the box office was the people that were in the movie.

42:30KT: You know, we had done Insecure. We'd done Game of Thrones. So, you know, we wanted to do something that almost everyone has watched and is considered a cult popular classic. And what film was that? Office Space. Are you Milton? What the fuck was his name? Spoiler spoiler spoiler. The one that burnt the building down. Milton? I think his name was Milton. Yeah.

42:56Oti: So the exciting thing about the Office Space episode is that we didn't really talk much about Office Space as a movie. And I think that's one of the one one of the first episodes we really struggle talking about it because we didn't like it. Like, we get it. No. Like, we didn't like it. It was a watchable movie. It's just that there wasn't enough to dissect. And we found ourselves talking about more of our life experiences in regard to office life and stuff like that.

43:25KT: Funny because I don't even remember what we said in that episode. Yeah. I just knew we didn't talk about the movie. But it was still an exciting lesson. I think a lot of what we said in that episode had more to do with the cultural influence that Office Space had. Yes. Did you get the memo yet? Uh-huh.

43:45Oti: And and that's why my rating for Office Space would be a six.

43:51KT: I gave it a seven.

43:53Oti: Wow. You you preface this episode as me being wings?

43:53KT: Do I get my wings in this episode because I'm so fucking kind?

43:53Oti: You preface this episode as you being the bitch and me being the happy go lucky guy who would give everything a 10. But clearly, that's not the case.

44:11KT: Clearly not. We are learning a lot about ourselves, guys. We really are. I feel like I changed angles because of the battery changing, but you you'll just have to deal with it. Whatever you can see, you can see and whatever you can't see, I guess that's for the imagination. Just like our Office Space episode where we barely fucking talked about it.

44:29Oti: So tell me your rating for Office Space.

44:29KT: Seven, I told you.

44:29Oti: Oh, must have missed that.

44:29KT: Just like the episode.

44:36KT: Like, I appreciate because there were so many references that I saw come through that movie before I even watched the movie, so I appreciated that. You know, not not to say that I'm a a writer or anything, but I do appreciate the structure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, good on you.

44:57Oti: You wanna fight, bro? I appreciate the structure too, mate. You don't know me, fam. I'm so hot, blood.

45:02KT: So, again, in trying to balance the formula, we chose a foreign film. Oh. Oh. Yes. Do you remember what film again, we know he has we know he has a spreadsheet, but let's let's just, like, jerk him off for one second.

45:20Oti: Is this the award winning South Korean movie, Burning?

45:26KT: It is. Yeah. That was some, like, evil villain sort of giggling right there. I don't know how to giggle any other way. Well, I see how you gaggle. And it is it is most welcome in the For Your Reference household. Hopefully, you're enjoying this Christmas cheer. Yeah. But Burning was super exciting, wasn't it? Yeah. But new but yeah. But new but like, you know, we talk a lot about how especially in that particular episode, how I'm, like, obsessed with, like, Korean. Like, even this really cheesy, like, Korean dramas. I

46:06KT: guess you can call me a Koreaboo. Do what you want. I only love BTS. That's pretty much it. But in regards to Burning, it was a slow burn. Uh-huh. And that is the most wankery way I can say it. Oh, wow.

46:23Oti: I really enjoyed the episode. I enjoyed the movie. I really did.

46:27KT: Do you remember what you said in the episode?

46:27Oti: What did I say?

46:27KT: Well, there you go. The court rests, your honor.

46:35Oti: I love the movie. I loved

46:39KT: The visuals position it too. Were

46:41Oti: yeah. It really was. Well, we cannot all agree on how a movie should end and how they did it when you come to think of it retrospectively. You kinda, like, appreciate it even more. And that's why my rating for Burning is a solid, solid eight.

46:41KT: Really?

46:41Oti: Yeah. I loved Burning. Burning was a good movie.

47:02KT: I rated it a seven, bruh.

47:04Oti: Brah. Brah.

47:08KT: I rated it a seven. So tell me tell me why. I enjoyed the visuals, but for me, like, visuals don't do much for me. Like, what really gets me off is a cohesive narrative, characters that you can emotionally invest in and really, you know, see me through until fruition, until climax. Right? That's what really gets me off in every sense of the word. So visuals alone aren't enough for me. Yeah. And we'll hear that when we talk about our vetoed Knives Out. Right? So, yeah, seven is enough, man. Seven is way enough. You reckon?

47:53Oti: Yeah, dude. You know what? Burning was an exciting episode. I think that was one of the first not first. Because there's Oldboy and all that. I think where we saw the female form, they were like, oh, wow. Do Koreans do this?

48:07KT: It was like Oh, no. No. No. No. That was something else. Was it called Hunger or Thirst? No. It was called Thirst. Thirst was completely different level. But I think we watched party before. I don't think Oti realized that Korean people get naked and shit. So when we watched Thirst, he was clutching his nonexistent pearls unless it's a Friday night. And he was like, oh my. You got me saying my my my.

48:34Oti: Oh, my my my.

48:36KT: You sure look good tonight.

48:38Oti: Yeah. Burning was super exciting and I was hungry. How about you? He's

48:45KT: I think I think Oti is trying to do an in trend dance. Kind of looks like we're killing it. It looks like an ancestral dance. That's what the fuck it looks like. And when when whenever Oti reveals himself in every sense of the word, you will see that dance. But until then, apparently, I'm the only one that can see that. Yeah. But you know what? It's not my it's not my fave. It's not my fave Korean film. It's neither Parasite. Hello.

49:16KT: We're actually like, there are some films that we have watched this year that we're choosing not to cover until everyone has a chance to watch it, and Parasite is one of them. Yeah. It's not I again,

49:29Oti: I'm not yet.

49:31KT: Yeah. I'm not going to attempt four chef kisses because I'm wearing a dress. Whatever else I have on, you don't even know. You can Britney them if you want. On on. We'll appreciate it. Damn, dog. Two chef kisses. Parasite and also Midsommar. Those are both films that we really, really loved that we're waiting to get onto a streaming service so we can actually talk about it. Yeah. Because we feel like it's

49:56Oti: such a good, at least from a conversational point of view, topic to cover.

49:56KT: Are you saying we have 'tegrity?

49:56Oti: We have 'tegrity.

50:08KT: I'm a little I'm a little bit country.

50:10Oti: But the exciting movies that we really want to cover until we we can't because we feel like we'll be doing injustice if not a lot of people could relate and understand and know what we're talking about.

50:21KT: Yeah. But there you go. That's our Burning episode. The next week, we didn't release a full episode, but we actually had a bonus episode. Hello, Christian from the Nerds With Friends podcast. Uh-huh. Thank you so much. Christian.

50:36Oti: This must be Game of Thrones. Yeah.

50:38KT: And according to this, he was our first guest. Oh, wow. Really? I feel like Oti is the nerd, and I'm the friend in this scenario. Yeah. But he actually gave a rating. So all of our guests, again, thank you so much for coming on to our podcast. I was able to chase up with most of you guys in regards to what the rating would be. Mhmm. So we already talked about Game of Thrones, but I wanted to do it in the sequence.

51:04Oti: Yeah.

51:05KT: What do you think Christian rated Game of Thrones?

51:08Oti: I think Christian gave Game of Thrones an eight. Interesting.

51:14KT: Before you opened your mouth, I was about to preface that when we recorded with Christian, it was around the time of the Game of Thrones petition. No. You can't change your answer. You really gave your answer.

51:25Oti: Well, wouldn't change my rating anyway of what I thought he gave it.

51:30KT: Okay. So these are the comments he gave and I I did an average on that.

51:39Oti: Are you gonna try and mimic his voice or just really start using yours?

51:42KT: I would never do that to you Christian. Your name alone is so pure. Alright. Hail Satan. We just watched that. Maybe we'll make it like a Patreon tier exclusive episode because we we've got some shit to say about Hail Satan. Alright. Yeah. Going back to something not so exciting, we're talking about Game of Thrones. So Christian, on the Nerds With Friends podcast. Yeah.

52:11KT: Said he rated it an eight?

52:11Oti: Yeah. Maybe I should have thought of that number after I've listened to how he thought about the movie.

52:11KT: Well, we can do that next time. But in regards to Christian, he actually gave numbers, so that wouldn't have helped. Here's what he said. Okay. I asked him the first time, and then he started venting about the creators of the show. Uh-huh. So the second time I asked him, this is what he said. First five seasons,

52:36KT: he rates it a nine.

52:36Oti: Told you. Told you. Told you the same thing a few minutes ago.

52:36KT: The first five seasons, rates it a nine. The rest, fucking 3.5.

52:47Oti: What does that average to?

52:47KT: Five.

52:47Oti: That's brutal.

52:52KT: So, Christian That's brutal. You're probably not watching the actual video, but I'm looking at you right now. That is on you. You should have done the maths because you you carelessly put it in KT's hands, and you never do that unless you're looking for a good time. That is brutal. Game of Thrones is not a five show. Okay. Let's talk about brutal. The next episode actually encapsulates a trilogy so far. We are talking about dog fu, gun fu, car fu. Mhmm. John Jonathan Wickinson. Otherwise known as John Wick.

53:34KT: And this was fun, man. Like, sometimes we do, you know, films that have been around for a while. Sometimes we do TV shows that have been around for a while. But this was another box office film that we watched. We watched one and two the night before. We went and watched Parabellum Mhmm. In the cinema and fucking hell, we came home and, you know, two bottles of wine later, we record it. Oh, for sure.

54:03Oti: For sure. And and and John Wick was so exciting. He was so different. He didn't take itself too seriously, and that's why we loved it. And that's why my rating for John fucking Wick. Well, there's three films. We can just give an average umbrella rating. No. We we are rating all three films. Okay. John Wick one, I'd give it a seven.

54:26KT: Oh, you hang on. Okay. Spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler. This is the film where the dog dies. Yeah. And you give it a seven. Yeah. Fuck you and the clique you claim.

54:37Oti: Are you serious? How would you give it?

54:40KT: Nine. Okay. It's the best film out of the series.

54:43Oti: Okay.

54:45KT: John two. Am I rating first? Yeah. John Wick chapter two was not as good as one. Mhmm. It was something to satiate you until they build upon the story. Mhmm. And for that reason, I rate it a seven.

54:45Oti: Oh, I'd give it a six.

54:45KT: Do you care?

55:03Oti: A car. Like, two con car? John Wick two didn't do anything for me, and I was really scared to go about the third coming out. And that's why when Parabellum came out, I was super excited about it When I actually finished watching it because it blew my mind, I didn't think they'd be able to take it there in terms of the intensity, in terms of the storyline, in terms of what needed to be done, and that's why John Wick Parabellum gets a fucking nine in my book. What did I rate it?

55:38KT: I rated it an eight.

55:40Oti: So meaning that the average for John Wick as a series for you is a seven. Yeah. And my average is a seven as well.

55:40KT: What are you trying to prove?

55:40Oti: I'm just saying, like, we we we we landed the same place regardless of what we thought about this specific individual piece.

55:40KT: You're like the one the lesser brand of Law and Order. Like, what were you trying to prove there, sir?

55:40Oti: I'm just saying. Abacus, mate. Quick maths.

56:12KT: Is that your, like, smoke bomb?

56:16Oti: Yeah. Pretty much.

56:18KT: Oh, but yeah. And then also recently, John Wick four and also Matrix four, whether we need a Matrix four is a story for another day and will be one of our monthly roundups for January, O2, is coming out on the same day. Yeah. So we will definitely be covering

56:44KT: we'll we'll be covering John Wick? Yeah. Reckon. I don't know about Matrix. I guess we'll see. We will cover Matrix hopefully before then so that we could Christmas fully delve into the fourth. Christmas and New Year's is a very expensive time so I guess we'll see. Yeah. Oh, but it comes out in a few years time, right? Mhmm. You can make movies quicker than that, surely. Let's continue on my loves. Oh. What what?

57:11Oti: Wow. I say what in the butt. Is that you're going with it? When have we ever covered that? I don't know. Oh, I guess this is the Palm reference and I'd go with acha.

57:27KT: Again, you you have the spreadsheet in front of you. I'm looking at got it wrong. I'm not looking at it. You still got it wrong. It's all outside the dome. I love how we're gonna listen back to this and be like, what the fuck is this shit? So Archer, an iconic series.

57:48Oti: Mhmm. Super iconic. It lost its way in the later seasons, but still, you have to give it super props for what it did in the first ad. Dare to say five seasons.

58:02KT: Although you're gonna give it a five.

58:04Oti: And my rating for Archer would be an eight.

58:09KT: Oh, me too. Me too. Brilliant. If it didn't decline, it would have been a nine. Me too. I can't remember which season it was, but they had a two minute long voice mail.

58:23Oti: Yeah. So no. Yeah. On that alone People love that shit, but I was like, mate Who? This is just one query. Who? Go and read the IMDb user ratings on the different individual episodes. People love that shit. I'm like, nah.

58:43KT: Can I just say we need to cover Prisoners next year? Because we have a very fun story about IMDb forums, but we're not going to share that today. And it came out of Prisoners in particular. A very great film, by the way. Oh, good film. Hugh Jackman. Well, probably actually, Oti, because I know this episode is becoming a delicious mega event right now. Do you think we should share our ratings?

58:43Oti: I think people should just listen. That's how they get our ratings.

58:43KT: Yep. Right? Mhmm. Okay. Well, thank you for listening. This is where you were listening to the ratings. Let's continue. After Archer,

59:23KT: super like, I don't think people that have watched Archer don't like it. If you've watched Archer and you don't like it, please email us so Oti can see it. I feel like I won't be able to handle that if you tweet us because I will fight you. Uh-huh. But the next series that we covered was, oh my god, it really transformed our podcast. It did. It really fucking transformed our podcast. So we managed to watch Game of Thrones in, like, three weeks Mhmm. Which was 70 plus episodes.

59:56KT: And then, you know, we were talking about, okay, so what are we going to do? What are we going to cover? And Deadwood came to mind.

60:03Oti: Oh.

60:04KT: Fucking daddy wood, bitches.

60:07Oti: Daddy wood.

60:08KT: You know, I I don't know about a lot of you guys because, again, I know a lot of you guys are listeners, also podcasters. I don't know about you guys whether you, like, script stuff, like, whether you write it down or not, but we actually had a delicious moment inside of Deadwood where I coined the phrase daddy wood. Mhmm. And all of my unresolved daddy issues culminated into a climax in Deadwood.

60:37KT: Yeah. And Oti benefited from that. But He continues to benefit. Almost ten years, bitches.

60:37Oti: But it was a good show. I recommended this to you.

60:50KT: Oh, and I'm so welcome. Yeah.

60:52Oti: It's one of those shows when you had that it had to come back. It was coming back. I was like, KT, you have to watch this Mhmm. Because I will not miss watching the movie because of you. How dare you? Yeah. The Deadwood movie was coming out, so it was very timely. Yeah. So Look at us being so exclusive. I pinned it down and made her watch this. That didn't sound right. I made her watch this and she loved it.

61:26KT: And the fact that she I I loved every part of that process, by the way.

61:33Oti: And the fact that you loved Ian McShane in this, even though I didn't think he was that great the first time I watched this, kinda shows you everything that you need to know, especially in the rewatchability value of a show. And that's why my Deadwood rating is a bloody nine.

61:51KT: You know, we joked about daddy issues and shit.

61:54KT: I want Ian McShane as my sugar daddy or I will take him as my legitimate father. I will take both. I said father. I know. Father.

61:54Oti: Is that one of those try and make a promise and then you mispronounce something and then it doesn't count. You know, like, you know when you rub a lamp and the genie comes out and you're like, oh, I want a million dollars.

61:54KT: Did you say did you say rub a lamp or rub a lap?

61:54Oti: Rub a lamp.

61:54KT: Oh, okay. Because rubbing laps is always the give you a million doll hairs instead of a dollars.

62:26KT: That's a 30 Rock reference. Can I just say? They stole that for me then. Oti reference. Can you cut that out? But, again, you know, the Venn diagram of fucking salaciousness and KT daddy issues just culminated in daddy wood in every fucking sense of the word.

62:51Oti: You know, sometimes You know that Venn diagram is a full fucking perfect circle, mate.

63:00KT: There there there's, like, no like, it's all overlapping.

63:03Oti: Yep. Right? Bloody circle.

63:06KT: Like, genuinely, I was a dormant volcano, and I erupted for 70 plus episodes of Deadwood. Wow. Yeah. Where Westworld failed, Deadwood thrived.

63:06Oti: Oh, I wouldn't even think comparing the two shows.

63:06KT: No. But, you know, Deadwood has its cowboy sort of theme.

63:27Oti: So what are your rating? What what would be your rating for this?

63:27KT: Of Deadwood? Have you gone yet?

63:27Oti: Yeah. I give it a nine.

63:27KT: I give it a nine too.

63:27Oti: Oh, brilliant.

63:37KT: I would give it a 10, but it had some really slow seasons. And Robin Weigert, I love you so much, Calamity Jane, but fucking hell, you were annoying. She was so fucking annoying. Yeah. But the pleasure that Deadwood gave us that we continue to give you is free gratis, my loves. Yeah. And I didn't realize that Robin Weigert was in Chicago PD, which was nice to see her in. I think that that's one of the shows you watch when I'm not around.

64:06KT: Yeah. That's like a million episodes now or some shit. That's a weird flex, but okay. Are the kids still saying that? Tweet me kids of age. Well, hot digging it down. Wouldn't you know it? Apparently, we love rating things and we did it for two and a half hours. So, you know, just to give you some room in your stretchy pants, this is the first half of our recording and the second half will come out very soon.

64:36Oti: Thank you for listening.

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