Witch Hat Atelier, President Curtis Furious & What Will I Become?

Full transcript of Witch Hat Atelier, President Curtis Furious & What Will I Become?.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and have you returned to your disguise, Oti?

0:07Oti: Mm, not yet.

0:10KT: Pigs talk?

0:10Oti: Porco Rosso.

0:12KT: Friends and lovers, our first reference degustation. Um, love and splooshes and shout-outs, uh, friends and lovers. Our Odyssey episode is also breaking FYR box office, Oti. I don't know if it's 'cause we've been on a break or mythology is what the friends and lovers are here to hear us talk about, but yeah. Thank you for everyone. If you're new to the podcast, if you've been around since day one, yeah, I guess check out the rest of the catalog, friends and lovers. Uh, we are catching up on our reviews. Um, so grab a snack, grab a beverage. Are you feeling oink oink

0:57Oti: muy caliente? Always, especially when we change our podcast name to For Your Odyssey.

1:02KT: Wow.

1:03Oti: Mm.

1:03KT: Abe's Oddysee. Friends and lovers, be the first to comment just for funsies. Abe's Oddysee, you never played it? PlayStation 1? No. Wow. Let's get on with the show, friends and lovers Hey friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT.

1:29Oti: And Oti.

1:31KT: Uh, we have Ref Max today, friends and lovers. Usually, as much as we can, non-spoiler combined reviews. Uh, it— I don't think we've done reviews since June, so we are trying to get through the backlog as well as stuff that we're—

1:48Oti: June as in the month, or June as in Dune the movie? 'Cause you say it the same way so I'm just con- making sure. Ahoo.

1:57KT: You're Australian as well, ain't ya? Ahoo. Uh, that's November, right?

2:03Oti: Mm. '

2:04KT: Cause they're trying to make that and The Avengers, they're trying to call it Dunes Day.

2:09Oti: Ah.

2:11KT: No, thanks. Hey, hot thoughts, takes on our Yaya, on our Mahershala. Eh, all of the canceled, uh, Marvels seem to have a common recurring theme, but any thoughts before we get into our Ref Max, my love?

2:28Oti: It's a shame we're not getting a Mahershala Blade. I thought when they casted him it's just going to be something amazing. Sad. Uh, Wonder Man, I loved it, but it got renewed for whatever reason. Not anymore.

2:47KT: No, apparently the co-creator said there wasn't. It wasn't a marketing tactic or something like that.

2:53Oti: Oh, really?

2:55KT: Anyway, yeah, Ma— I, I, I will just echo what Mahershala said. There are billions of dollars. If they wanted to make that movie, they could have.

3:02Oti: Mm, mm, mm.

3:05KT: Uh, but today we are covering, ooh, we've got double animation. We've got President Curtis, Witch Hat Atelier, Furious, as well as What Will I Become. We are starting off with a Rick and Morty spinoff, friends and lovers, if you can believe. I don't know, have we actually covered Rick and Morty specifically?

3:26Oti: No, because by the time we loved it, we sort of started hating it by the end of it, and we were like, "Nah."

3:34KT: Get schwifty. It still has a reference we reference to this day. It's the last day of my life, I'm fucking my dad. I love that this is the last day. There's no consequences. I love it. shout

3:51Oti: out to what—

3:51KT: It's stupid what a great segue. Shout outs to Nicole. Uh, thank you so much, uh, for the screeners, over at Adult Swim. This is President Curtis. Non-spoiler thoughts, my love.

4:05Oti: Hijinks galore, genuine bursts of laughter, and memorable one-liners are all rattling around your brain. President Curtis is a spinoff that may just rival its predecessor. Yeah, I said it, and I'll say it again

4:18KT: Are you gonna put that in your Rotten Tomatoes pull quote?

4:20Oti: Yeah.

4:21KT: Nice.

4:22Oti: Well, together with, um, Cleveland Show being better than Family Guy

4:28KT: Well, yeah That was a very Cleveland laugh

4:32Oti: Yeah

4:33KT: I must say. The Rick and Morty style is present, but the performances from the cast, especially Keith David, gives President Curtis its own distinct flavor. A little galactic escapism, some timely themes, and a lot of fun.

4:49Oti: Ooh.

4:50KT: I fucking loved it. Banger. You, you know, friends and lovers, 30 Rock is my favorite comedy probably of all time, and the way that you would have scene by scene, line by line, like one line of bangers layered on top of each other and be so self-referential, which obviously you can say is also Rick and Morty, I loved it.

5:15Oti: I loved it, too. It added a fresh spin on something that felt a bit stale, uh, especially to me.

5:21KT: Yeah

5:22Oti: And Having Keith David at the center—

5:25KT: Jim Rash

5:26Oti: mm, mm.

5:26KT: What a world.

5:28Oti: Right? '

5:28KT: Cause I, I wouldn't necessarily say Lethal Weapon, but there was, like, a coolness to President Curtis that you could get in, like, '80s action. Like, he's a cool president.

5:39Oti: Oh, okay, you're going back to your Mel Gibbys.

5:42KT: Racist ass. Make sure— you get the preface in there 'cause, 'cause obviously Obama, but, like, I just really loved how much it leaned into. It's just sometimes, you know, like, Silicon Valley, this show fucks. Like, I loved it.

6:01Oti: Like, we're not gonna spoil anything, but, uh, especially I think it was in the pilot, we had to pause because we were laughing at each bloody line.

6:10KT: Yeah. It

6:11Oti: was—

6:11KT: Doppelganger

6:13Oti: Ridiculous, ridiculous show.

6:17KT: It was so much fun. Like, absolutely loved it. I am a little bit of a bleeding heart, so, you know, even having the dynamics between Ro and Francis, um, is also quite fun. Mm. And friends and lovers, those that can enrich themselves in the format of anime and not just, I guess, cookie-cutter formula Western storytelling, everything is didactic and not very, fantastical, the fact that they had, like, supernatural sort of elements to this show, and about, like, potentially coming from a lineage of leprechauns, like I just— It, it's to be experienced, that's for sure. I, I guess the little note I wanna put here is I, I just love it. Um, we got a batch of screeners and, you know, looking forward to continuing the rest of it. But yeah, it, it's one of those things where we can continue to quote it off, but it really is go out and watch it. Have a good time.

7:17Oti: Mm-hmm.

7:18KT: Whatever, whatever accompaniment of beverage or otherwise you would like to enjoy, a libation of nonsense, I suppose.

7:26Oti: Nice. Libation of nonsense is what we need in the world.

7:30KT: Absolutely. You know what we also need in the world?

7:32Oti: Mm. A

7:33KT: little bit of magic.

7:34Oti: Ooh. Tell

7:35KT: me. A little bit of childlike, Ghibli-esque wonder.

7:39Oti: Mm. Throw in some juju in there as well I,

7:43KT: I, I g- yeah, sure. if that's how you wanna be, that's absolutely fine, friends and lovers. Uh, shout-outs to the team at Crunchyroll. Um, these were specifically sent to Oti—

7:57Oti: Mm

7:57KT: mind you. Stephanie, as well as Pamela at Crunchyroll, thank you so much for the screeners. Uh, Witch Hat Atelier has now had its whole first season. non-spoiler thoughts, my love.

8:14Oti: Beautifully drawn, Witch Hat Atelier tells a compelling story where themes of class simmer beneath the magic. Whimsical, warm, and wonderful

8:27KT: Oh, I hope one day I get described the same way by you, Oti

8:30Oti: Mm. "

8:32KT: Gorgeously illustrated with sentimental character arcs that offer a nice reprieve from reality. Solid first offering to a rich and intriguing world."

8:43Oti: Can I just say, like, we've watched a lot of different animes, and the drawing in this— Yeah is impeccable. I thought we'd only get that sort of detail in the first episode, and then it'll slowly deteriorate as the season goes. But oh, my word, the level of detail that goes into drawing these, every scene feels like a picture. It i- technically it's a pi- but you know what I mean, like A moving picture a portrait.

9:13KT: Yeah.

9:14Oti: Feels like a portrait, and it's just so captivating. It invites you in, and then you add the, the, the, the depth of the storytelling and what they're trying to and how far you can take it as the viewer on what they're trying to say, oh, my word. Mm. Definitely something that I wasn't expecting for 2026.

9:40KT: Oh, I absolutely loved it, and I agree with everything that you're saying. You know, the really cool thing about this is—

9:46Oti: Mm

9:48KT: we watch animes all the time. Sometimes it's gets a bit sus when there are kids in there. It didn't feel weird and gross watching this, and also it's a female mangaka, and that makes sense. I like that the kids could just be kids. That's why I said it feels very Ghibli-esque. but it definitely hits a lot of, a lot of themes of, of. I guess in this jaded sort of world of what it means to be open to a sense of wonder—

10:17Oti: Mm

10:17KT: and also trying, like trying to make something of yourself, and I think that is quite relatable, and we see that through, you know, Coco's gusto, uh But then we also have, you know, the other students in the class. I got, I. Like, I think it's very easy to not like her character or at least wonder why she isn't as open or as friendly as the other girls, but I guess she's got, like, the Draco Malfoy sort of, um, burden of being rich and, and, and from a long line—

10:54Oti: Mm

10:56KT: sort of family

10:59Oti: Yeah. A-a-and that's why it's like w-with the different characters that we do get, like you said, Agott is a bit It'll take some time to warm up to her for sure, and I'm sure in Season 2 we might get a bit more behind the scenes of why she is the way she is.

11:24KT: Well, I think we do. We understand. She's from a, like a very— Well, in

11:28Oti: detail there's a

11:29KT: lot of

11:29Oti: prestige and a lot of expectation Like we get, we get the pressure of what sh- she has to face. Mm. But I mean now so that we can fully empathize and be on board because at the minute, it's. This is not a spoiler. It feels like we're heading down the, like you said, Malfoy or not even Sasuke 'cause Sasuke maybe mid, uh, half-season Sasuke in Naruto—

11:56KT: Mm

11:57Oti: sort of treatment.

11:58KT: Or Nell.

12:00Oti: Yeah.

12:01KT: Noelle. Sorry.

12:02Oti: Mm.

12:03KT: Black Clover.

12:04Oti: Mm. Yeah, I could see that.

12:06KT: what are your thoughts on your, your Qifrey?

12:11Oti: What a name.

12:13KT: Especially in the sub version.

12:15Oti: Yeah, in the sub version. Qifrey? I can't, I bust out just for that alone. But again, he's sort of the It's weird. He feels like they're putting him as the, the male lead here, you know, the good guy there, but I can't, I just sense a level of deception. Mm. Where I'm expecting something to fall off at any minute, and there's a re— I don't know what reason it is, that maybe I c- maybe I've just, it's just a sense that he's not fully there.

12:55KT: Okay.

12:55Oti: Or he's not fully presenting himself for who he is.

12:59KT: Yeah. I think without spoiling too much, yeah, I absolutely agree. Mm. I really enjoy seeing the kid's journey of, I guess I don't wanna spoil too much, but we have our pink hair girl, I really appreciate the different sort of characters. I'm just saying right now, whenever it's humans or, or like normal people against, like, a higher power, I'm the power of the people.

13:30Oti: Mm.

13:30KT: And I am right behind the campaign of Tartah, voice of the people.

13:34Oti: Yeah. He's— Uh, the themes they're trying to cover with this, 'cause there's. It, it's very problematic at what they've done with magic per se in the society of who can perform magic and who can't

13:51KT: Privilege and influence. Yeah, yeah, yeah '

13:53Oti: Cause it, it boils down then everything else you— Everything else that anyone else should be able to do is sort of Get kept away from everyone, and— Yeah,

14:06KT: the implications of it aren't great.

14:08Oti: Mm.

14:08KT: Are you saying the younger audience/rating of this doesn't allow for the exploration? 'Cause it is quite similar to, uh, Gachiakuta, in, in the haves and the have-nots.

14:22Oti: Yeah, but I've also feel like Gachiakuta sort of diverted a little bit from that sort of storytelling. Though it, it might come back around, but it- it's sort of— But

14:33KT: it has the ability to dig deep— Mm and that's what I'm saying for this.

14:37Oti: Yeah.

14:37KT: Maybe it's a t- a bit too, oh. Ghibli does have an ability, like Princess Mononoke, for example. Um, but I think, yeah, there are some very shiny, sparkly, sugar-coating, potentially, of patting poor or normal people on the head saying, "We're doing this for your benefit. We're doing this for you," while also hampering humanity.

15:09Oti: Mm.

15:10KT: So there's definitely much to be said there. I do find myself potentially rooting for people that I probably shouldn't be rooting for.

15:21Oti: As is your nature.

15:24KT: Well, power to the people is what I always say.

15:26Oti: Mm-hmm.

15:27KT: Anything else, my love?

15:28Oti: No. Go watch it. Anyone, anime lovers or not. Yeah. It's a good soft landing for anyone willing to dip their toes.

15:38KT: Also, it was really cool to, week to week, well, we got the screeners, which were cool, but even week to week, seeing the manga frame and then seeing it animated in the anime, it's, like, so cool, so rich as well.

15:52Oti: Mm.

15:53KT: this is the trans documentary that we recently did an interview with. Um, shout-outs to Lexie as well as Perigee. What Will I Become? is a beautiful and thoughtful collage of youth, pain, and joy. The creative choices that also respect the lives covered was a really nice consideration.

16:11Oti: Mm. Yeah. Nice. Tell us more.

16:14KT: Uh, the opportunity to review as well as interview this film came at a time that was very busy for us. It was Sydney Film Festival time, um, but also timely during Pride Month. Um, this film was also making its way all around queer festivals all around the world. Um, so it was a very exciting time, and it was really lovely to be able to speak to Lexie as well as Perigee about this film. it covers two young trans lives that unfortunately were lost way too young. but they were both vibrant and creative, especially musically. Um, there were some instances in the documentary where, you know, there were certain creative choices. Like there was a poem that was recited, like i- in a musical way with animation as well. And, uh, to me it was a, it's not so often that I find myself being so moved by a screener that's on my tiny little screen while I'm at a certain age where I need to eat salads every day for lunch. And I'm like, "This is too beautiful and too meaningful for me to try and fit this in between, quote, unquote, 'life.'" And I had to be at home and watch it on the big screen, and really be able to digest that. And, you know, a- as much as this world doesn't really afford for Those reflective, ponderous, um, sort of moments. I really love that, you know, it, it, it demands that of the audience. What Will I Become, the documentary and, you know, grief is, grief is hard and it, it's, it's, it's, it's also a, a decompression as well because there's also a celebration of life. Obviously life that has been lost because the lives are so young. but also the life that was and the vibrancy that we find in this world. And I guess, um, well, for me personally, sometimes I'm just trying to figure out what needs to be done, doing stuff out of expectation, out of obligation, and it's so lovely to see people that don't wait for things to be perfect. They don't wait for the ground to be solid, you know, before they take that step, whether it's creatively, or whether it's expression. And I think that's something that I, that I really loved about What Will I Become because that is what art is and that is what art should be. it should be the channeling of life. It should be the channeling of energy. and it w- it was just really beautiful. It was such a beautiful interview, like a chat to have. and especially it was such a beautiful documentary to watch as well.

19:14Oti: Oh, that's nice. how was it, interviewing the director?

19:19KT: Really nice. Really sweet. Very lovely. it's always interesting the way we do interviews 'cause it is very connection based, so not really. Y- you get a sense and you do your preparation, you do your research, so you're never really sure what the vibe essentially is going to be. But, you know, Lexie even shared, um, you know, when they first premiered at one of the most prestigious, um, film festivals, uh, in the world— And one of the, I think it was the very first question of kicking off the tour was someone that had traveled, taken leave from work and had traveled to be able to see this trans documentary because it meant that much to them.

20:01Oti: Wow.

20:02KT: And that's, like, that's I guess film can be, you know, it, it can also be a shallow escapism, but it can also mean a lot as well. so yeah. I'm so grateful that, uh, you know, Lexie and the team trusted us to reach out to us to cover the film, and also wanted to have a conversation, with that. It's that delicate balance of wanting to dig deep, but also not wanting to feel as though we're trying to get a soundbite, and I really hope we were able to honor that as well. So thanks again to, Lexie and the team over at What Will I Become, and congrats on the continued success, and hopefully it'll be at some queer film festivals in Australia soon.

20:46Oti: Beautiful.

20:48KT: Well, let's finish off with some beautiful rage, Oti.

20:53Oti: Mm-hmm.

20:53KT: I'm very excited. No one asked us to cover it, but we gobbled up all those episodes, we sure did. This is Emmy Rossum's Furious.

21:05Oti: You Yoda that, "Gobbled up all these episodes, we sure did."

21:09KT: Yeah. All

21:10Oti: right. Furious delivers gripping performances and sharp writing, taking on heavy themes without shying away from the larger questions or the status quo surrounding them

21:23KT: From storytelling to performances, Furious is succeeding in feminine rage that previous offerings never got quite right. Harumph.

21:31Oti: Mm.

21:31KT: The intersectionality of feminine rage from race to class is embraced and the strength of this show. Harumph.

21:38Oti: Say it. Awoo. Right? So—

21:44KT: Oh, so, so, so you're. As a man, you're the one that's going to kick off this feminine rage. No, I, I—

21:50Oti: No, no, no, no. You go I was just going to say—

21:51KT: I'm getting my ha- my sissy hands ready

21:53Oti: it was Oh, you can't mold me to myself. I'm already, you know?

22:02KT: Damn,

22:02Oti: Tom. Um, it's. What was I gonna say? I was gonna say— You, watching things with you, especially pilots, y- you're very Vocalized on—

22:15KT: Bitches be talking, eh? Am I right? That was a trick. You're not supposed to laugh.

22:21Oti: I passed that. I wasn't laughing. you're very vocalized on what's going on, and you sort of try and see where the story's going. And the earlier sort of frustrations you'd have with a show, and for it to be actually answered is a rare occasion, where you get a moment where you're like— Nora yeah, you get Nora just laying things down, and you're like, "There it is." And that's what I feel like I got from your quote, and I tried to capture a little bit of that, not as well. But it's very, very. Which is weird. It's very, very hard to get a show that actually talks about this stuff the way Furious did

23:10KT: Because there was a show that was on Apple, and I feel like it had Issa in it. Was it called Roar? That did that didn't do nearly as much as it thought it was doing, respectfully. Yeah. And that wasn't about, uh, Issa. It

23:23Oti: was Raw-ish. Yeah.

23:24KT: yeah, and you know, famously to myself, I, I did not care for Barbie, and because of the white feminism in that film. Intersectionality is very important. and you know, throughout watching the pilot of this, I was like, ooh, like love Emmy Rossum. Like obviously it's, it's not to water down the experiences of women, but she was really taking up all the space in the room. She, she came off very judgemental towards Nora, as if Nora hadn't been doing this shit for over 20 years. Mm. As if she hadn't tried, as if she isn't actively on the ground grassroots level because she gave the fuck up.

24:12Oti: Mm.

24:13KT: Uh, Glenn Close's character in The Shield. Are you for women or not, Oti? I also love how you, um, you were the first to take the floor to repeat what I was saying instead of just letting me say what I've been saying and get my shit off.

24:29Oti: Just trying to be an ally.

24:34KT: But, but yes, I agree with you agreeing with me. I also agree with your points as well I think, well, it really, really, really, really depends. If I can take a little tangent, you didn't, you don't need to follow me all the way to the tangent, but if I can take a little tangent to say, you know, it is important to support Black storytelling, whether it's TV shows or movies. I guess in this case I'm specifically talking about TV shows. But I think it's also if we realize that it's big tech behind the film industry now, we would be deluding ourselves thinking we have the American Idol voting powers, that by us watching Black TV shows that they're not gonna cancel them anyway.

25:19Oti: Mm.

25:20KT: Right? So how much of that do we lean into critiquing when we know a lot of real shit that says real shit doesn't really get to stay, doesn't really get a second season? I try not to play too much into that, so what I will say specifically in regards to Furious, if this show had just been what was presented in the first three-quarters of the pilot, I don't think it would have bothered me. I would have liked more in regards to the intersectionality of feminine rage, however, granted women are still very much objects. Like, um, what was it? I keep mentioning it, the Anne Hathaway, Michaela Coel movie. The way that, women are still seen through a male gaze in Hollywood, Furious is absolutely light years above and beyond from the lens and anger of women. So I very much appreciate that. Um, but when we got to Nora in the hospital, that was the pilot, right, my love?

26:30Oti: Mm. That was the pilot.

26:33KT: Because what else is there?

26:35Oti: Mm-hmm.

26:35KT: You're doing everything you're supposed to be doing. You're embedded in the systems you're supposed to be embedded in, trying to change them, and they're not fucking changing, and you become a danger and a target upon yourself.

26:47Oti: Mm-hmm.

26:47KT: What the fuck then? There was a particular sentiment that Nora shared, and I don't wanna spoil too much because, you know, maybe we're moving the needle, Oti. Maybe this is people's introduction to the show, so I don't wanna, go too much on her speech. There was something in particular I didn't necessarily agree with, but in essence, Nora's speech about no one gives a fuck. No one gives a fuck about women, so no- people definitely don't give a fuck about little girls, right?

27:21Oti: Mm.

27:23KT: And we start to see that permeate throughout the subsequent episodes, right? I think as a bare sort of premise, when we have Agent Alice, as well as our pseudo maybe definitely serial killer—

27:43Oti: Mm

27:43KT: I don't. Okay. All right. Friends and lovers, we're gonna asterisk and caveat the shit out of this, but I don't know. AI has not found podcast, so I think we're safe unless someone malicious finds our podcast. This world is not safe for women. I said that in The Odyssey. So did my good friend Nolan in The Odyssey— who apparently understands women more than you, Oti, and a lot of you other film bros. Were you not the one that r- that took the first, uh, mic for this review?

28:20Oti: Just,

28:20KT: saying Back to your disguises Uh, I, I guess what I'm saying is women are not safe. Women are not safe in this world. You're welcome to, you know, sploosh yourself so nasty and go and listen to my, my critique when I was talking about it in The Odyssey. But in this world where women aren't safe and there's so many other. Like, people let Christian Bale be fucking psycho. Like, just let, let serial killers be psycho is what I say fictionally. but also stories have been done of this before. Make it interesting. I don't want a circumstance where Agent Alice Black catches our serial killer, and she fucking goes to jail, and then women and little girls still suffer and die. No. In this world, I want men to die. Obviously, it seems like she's only, uh, targeting terrible men, so I guess in that I would caveat terrible men should die, and they should face the consequences. It's a literal street justice. Harumph.

29:25Oti: Yeah.

29:25KT: Isn't that what Denzel said in Training Day? Harumph.

29:29Oti: And it's something Nora mentioned as well. Like, you'll never really catch the people behind it all. It's always the in-betweens

29:40KT: What's your Mike Colter, that new show that we saw? The one where they're gonna be for the good guys, Silicon Valley, like a lawyer firm

29:47Oti: Cupanito Cup, something like that

29:51KT: Yeah, it's okay. I'm opening up the IMDb. But yeah, because again, we know tech bros are going to optimize us into the fucking sun, right?

30:00Oti: Mm-hmm

30:00KT: Or the, the Earth will become the sun 'cause it's so fucking hot. But I, in this Cupertino—

30:07Oti: Mm-hmm

30:07KT: we know the world is fucked, but in Cupertino, I want everyone that has been ravaged and all of the savagery from big tech, I hope those people in Silicon Valley get their recompense and compensations. Mm-hmm. Okay? I don't want women to suffer in Furious, and I want people that have been swindled by Silicon Valley to win all of the riches in Cupertino. Is that okay?

30:31Oti: That is okay

30:32KT: In this world, is that okay?

30:35Oti: Bruh. And Frank Choi, Jesus Christ

30:38KT: But do, do you really think he's that unrealistic?

30:42Oti: He's not, he's not, and I think that's why it's so frustrating, isn't it? 'Cause you know there's— Well, he's— a lot of people like that

30:49KT: he's child's play compared to The Shield.

30:53Oti: A lot of people are child's play compared to The Shield, to be fair.

30:57KT: I really like how the show explores, I don't know, the whole notion of a good guy or a nice guy is It's a non-sequitur to me personally. Mm. Um, but we have your fellow Scoot McNairy.

31:13Oti: Mm-hmm.

31:13KT: Uh, Danny Kelly, Detective Danny Kelly. What did Nora say? "How Irish can you fucking get?" Um, of like even if you're not doing the disgusting things that men in your life that you know are doing, it doesn't make you any better.

31:30Oti: Mm.

31:30KT: And this heroism sort of complex, like there's so many different instances of that. In a world of Barbie and Promising Young Woman— Oof I love. But you know what I mean? I hear you. I love this show.

31:44Oti: I hear you. I hear you. Uh, great watch. Again, you've got Quincy Tyler, you've got Emmy Rossum doing amazing work there. catch it wherever you can

31:58KT: I don't think I've ever seen Emmy Rossum in anything, sorry to tell you

32:02Oti: Uh, we tried watching those show from Peacock called, um, Angelyne.

32:08KT: Mm, I don't remember.

32:10Oti: Mm.

32:11KT: I think, I think in memory and, and just out of respect, I love it, but yeah, I think this is the first Emmy Rossum-led anything I've watched of her.

32:21Oti: Oh. Wow. Yeah, exciting times, man. Exciting times for TV

32:28KT: For TV. also for film as well.

32:31Oti: Mm.

32:32KT: You looking forward to Spider-Man?

32:34Oti: Yeah. Hopefully it's good. Just wanna have fun.

32:39KT: Fair. Speaking of fun, friends and lovers, I forgot to say at the top of the episode, but thank you for joining us all the way at the end. I watched Odyssey a second time in 4DX.

32:50Oti: How's your back?

32:52KT: My back's actually quite good, but it did feel like the gods were punishing me as if I was on the ship.

32:57Oti: Ah. Didn't follow Zeus's law, eh?

33:01KT: Zeus's law is contorted, I suppose. Ooh, can I finish off with a tweet I read just recently before recording?

33:08Oti: Mm.

33:09KT: Saying, uh, "It's funny when, like, when religion is being used for wars, but when you lose enough wars, your religion is downgraded to mythology." Oof. No?

33:27Oti: Wow.

33:28KT: You know what some good mythology is? Mm. Mythologically, Odysseus got some Odysseus faces around the seas. Apparently he had two, three families b- after Calypso

33:40Oti: even. Of course. Of course. You think man dem was out there for seven years and he was l- just chilling.

33:44KT: Odysseus St. Patrick.

33:49Oti: He found his Angelas out there.

33:54KT: Power reference, friends and lovers. Mm. Apparently they just, uh, wrapped up filming Power Origins.

33:59Oti: Ooh.

34:00KT: Yeah.

34:01Oti: Baby Tommy, baby Ghost.

34:02KT: You see what happens, friends and lovers? It's been so long since we recorded, I just keep mentioning film news, but ooh-hoo-hoo. Thank you friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. Uh, we're gonna finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference. Do you generally have any recommendations, things to watch?

34:23Oti: Oh. yeah, just enjoying random stuff at the moment. Nothing that's holding me down, in my Reacher bag.

34:30KT: Oh, th- that's a big bag you've got there. Every time I look up, um, shout-outs to Prime for screeners, specifically for Oti. Every time I look up, they should have a big, big wide load, a wide lens alert.

34:46Oti: Yeah.

34:47KT: Apparently he's a good fella.

34:49Oti: Yeah. That's good to know.

34:52KT: And we also recently, uh, dug into our Peacock bag, wasn't it?

34:56Oti: Mm.

34:57KT: And watching Shrink.

34:59Oti: Yeah.

35:00KT: Friends and lovers, this is a prequel to when Domhnall Gleeson's, When he kidnaps Steve Carell. and I'm enjoying it more than that Shrinking show.

35:10Oti: Mm.

35:10KT: If I may compare the shrinks. Uh—

35:13Oti: Oh, absolutely

35:15KT: I don't care who you are. Did we even say, Twenty Twelve, friends and lovers.

35:18Oti: Yeah. What's the name of the show? Twenty Twelve. I literally just said it. Oh, I thought you were. All right,

35:27KT: cool. And is it, was it a BBC show?

35:29Oti: Yeah, a BBC.

35:30KT: It's an Olym- like, an Olympics committee. Um, it's, like, similar to, like, the Australian series Utopia.

35:38Oti: Mm.

35:39KT: Um, and a lot of UK series are very similar as well.

35:42Oti: Yeah.

35:44KT: All right, friends and lovers, if you wanna find us, we are dwindling on this, uh, infested social me— MySpace apparently is coming back, Oti.

35:54Oti: Wow.

35:54KT: Sparkly HTML, bracket b, bracket we

36:01Oti: back.

36:02KT: I bracket for you, Oti.

36:03Oti: Wow.

36:05KT: Uh, we're @foryourrefpod, and. Oh, no, this is your turn.

36:10Oti: Just write us an email.

36:12KT: Thank you for all of the screeners, friends and lovers. We're also on, uh, we love ya, we miss yas, watch good film, enjoy your film podcast. If you'd like to leave a rating or review, and we'll see you guys next week.

36:26Oti: See ya.

36:27KT: Bye.