The Inbetweeners – The 7 Bumders of the World

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0:00KT: Hey, welcome back. We are starting off with your phrase or mine, and Oti has the phrase this week.

0:00Oti: I've said this to you before, so you better get it.

0:00KT: So this is on the assumption that I listened to you.

0:00Oti: Okay. And since you focused on birds And pulling. Yeah.

0:19Oti: A bird in hand is worth doing the bush.

0:27KT: It's better to go with the certainty instead of what's out there.

0:27Oti: You got it right.

0:27KT: And that's why it's better to stick with us friends and lovers. There might be better content out there, but we're all most welcome. Let's get on with the show. Oh, friends and lovers. Welcome back to For Your Reference. You've got your host, KT.

0:27Oti: And Oti.

0:27KT: And secure your balls, bus wankers, because we are on the pull, lads right inside the pussy wagon. Yep. This week, we are covering Britain's finest. And as far as I'm concerned, the fossil of Brittonia,

1:27KT: the Inbetweeners. Why has it taken us so long, Oti?

1:27Oti: I have no idea. I really don't have any idea about that.

1:27KT: Like, we'll get into first impressions, but this is tried and true. You know, in between new shows or shows that we've been waiting to watch, Inbetweeners is always on in the For Your Reference household. So I really don't know why it took us so fucking long to cover it. But you're all most welcome. Along in this journey. The Inbetweeners, let's start off with some stats because that's what we do around here.

1:56KT: Also we take kindly to your kind around here, whether you're a first time, all the time, some of the time. In between? Damn, dawg. Ring a ding ding ding ding. God bless the Inbetweeners because didn't you forget about the frog song? Well, was it called the frog song? Yeah. It was called the frog song. It was a fucking ringtone, but it was called the frog song. Right?

2:18Oti: Something like frog? Crazy.

2:19KT: Oh, good on you. So so it was called the same thing around the world? Yeah. Crazy Frog. Okay. Okay. So Inbetweeners came out from 2008 to 2010 in regards to the TV show. Obviously, there were a couple of films that spawned off on it. And the classic gold Australian, it was a sort of tangent that we have with Jay, which is kind of like a callback where he had his fake ID as an Australian. And then he had a car with Peter Andre with Mysterious Girl.

2:49KT: Like we could spend the whole hour talking about that, but there's so much to cover today. Show had less than 20 episodes. Can you believe? Something that is so deliciously delectable in every orifice available. All of the things, all of the splooshes go to Damon Beesley and also Iain Morris. Damon also worked with Joe who played Simon for White Gold.

2:49Oti: Oh, really?

2:49KT: That also had Jay, James Buckley, and your fella from Gossip Girl. Yes. Chuck Bass. Come on. I get some points.

3:26KT: See friends and lovers, we are called For Your Reference. And sometimes KT uses references she doesn't understand.

3:32Oti: Which is a cardinal sin.

3:34KT: But absolution is most welcome. And hopefully, it is coming very soon. It came out of the E4. I think it is on the comedy channel in Australia, if I can remember correctly.

3:34Oti: Oh, did it?

3:34KT: It's it's it's on a channel that you have to pay for in Australia, essentially. But wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. It really took the world by storm. Let's just get into it. Let's talk about first impressions. If this is the first time you've listened to For Your Reference,

4:02KT: we love you. This is just to give you a bit of a peppering. We all have a frame of reference. So I guess this will just give a bit of an understanding of our opinions and our thoughts and our splooshes about what we feel about this show. So let let's get into it. Oti, where were you at this time? Did you watch it when it first came out? Did you I think you actually watched it before we were together. Right? No.

4:26Oti: Oh. This is a this is a show KT introduced into my life.

4:26KT: Virgin one you are?

4:26Oti: Well, unlike most, wasn't fingering all the birds in here and

4:26KT: Well, apparently apparently, a lot of them weren't either, except for Neil.

4:26Oti: Oh, Neil was getting all birds.

4:43KT: Oh, Neil. Oh, Neil.

4:46Oti: But, yeah, never really bothered watching it for some reason.

4:47KT: So you knew it was did did it hit the shores of Kenya?

4:47Oti: Yes.

4:47KT: Okay.

4:47Oti: I just didn't partake.

4:55Oti: Okay. And you couldn't stop talking about it every single time you were bringing it up. You're watching it even when you're like, I'd be walking on something, and KT would just be there watching Inbetweeners, I was like, alright. Let's give it a go. And she was more than willing to start over from you know, start over again and just watch it. Yeah.

4:55KT: That's zero that's zero character development because even while you're working, I still don't do anything.

5:20KT: So it's it's just bloody amazing. Like, because it's it's British humor, but it's also a new wave of Briton sort of humor. Right? So did it did it take you some time to, like, dive into it, or you just, like, straight from the jump, all of the dicks, all of the boners?

5:20Oti: I just latched onto it. Like, it's not my first sort of British comedy and

5:20KT: Alright. Let's give Oti some chance to pull his spectacles out.

5:47Oti: My monocle. My monocle.

5:49KT: The two monocles equal a spectacle. Right? Yep.

5:53Oti: Yeah. So I really just took to it. Like, it felt like second nature just watching this, and it was really fun seeing this for adolescent

6:02Oti: teenagers just navigating the so called world of high school and life and how difficult or easy it is. Because you have, you know, adult sort of humor in, like, South Park, for example. South Park can get away with a fucking lot. Like, there's a lot in the animation sort of format you can get away with because of its format.

6:21Oti: So I guess this came at a perfect sort of time.

6:21KT: It did. It did.

6:21Oti: And and fast at first, I was kind of cautious that high school sort of setting. I was like, I'm kind of over this sort of shows right now. But

6:21KT: You want your teenagers to look 30 years or 50 years old like Grease.

6:21Oti: Yeah. Grease set the benchmark. You know? Let's go with it.

6:42Oti: You know, I I was expecting to see someone like Mr Gilbert being the high schooler. You know? Greg Davies. Yeah. Yeah. Rather than the teacher. Jesus. What a good

6:51KT: what a hard life that high school student would have had. Oh, yeah. And cute call out. Let's just quickly go to the cast. Simon Bird, he is well beloved in the For Your Reference household. Friday Night Dinners Mhmm. Would probably be a reference at the end of this episode, but we fucking love him. Yeah. He's great. He he has a character that he plays to and he plays it very well. I'm just gonna mention the main cast. We have James Buckley as Jay. Mhmm. Apparently, he wasn't really acting.

7:23KT: He was kind of himself. He actually auditioned for Neil, and Damon and Iain realized that they kinda miscasted him, so they left him to the side. But they just, like they couldn't get him out of his mind, and, apparently, he was so fucking annoying. So they kinda just made a character for him, and he kinda just became himself. Oh, brilliant. And I was just watching interviews

7:43KT: of the cast, and Blake, who who plays Neil, was telling a story about how James really liked to chat up the extras. And he had actually made up a party at a fake hotel that didn't exist, and he was trying to get them to go to that party, the real actor. So it's it's not it's not too far off, and we definitely need to talk about Jay and his dad. Oh, dear. Yeah. Maybe maybe not what the dad was doing in the caravan toilet, but fucking hell. That whole caravan episode was fucking gold.

8:15KT: Oh, dear. Bricks of gold if you're nasty. Also have Rackets of gold. Right? James Buckley was in White Gold that we mentioned. We've seen him. And he was also on the Stand Up to Cancer, Great British Bake Off. Yeah? Very cute to see him there. But he was very couth. He was very couth. Very He was very toward. I was not expecting that. Have Blake Harrison who plays Neil. He was in a show that we watched. It was something about the future, wasn't it? Yeah. Time travel

8:45KT: and stuff. Right? Yeah. I actually like that. Yeah. It was good. I don't know. You may be a Briton. You might indulge yourself in the Briton world, but there's so much quality. But that also means that the series are very short and sometimes they don't come back. Or sometimes they take two, three, five years to come back. Yep. But it was nice to see him there as well. And let's just round off the Inbetweeners. We have Joe Thomas playing Simon Cooper. And he's also in White Gold, and he wrote that with Damon. Yeah.

9:17KT: Simon was a funny one. We'll go into the characters, but you you would think Simon was the normal one. But as time goes on Yeah. He's he's unhinged.

9:25Oti: Oh. He's he's the crazier one, I'd

9:25KT: Slap a flaccid dick

9:29KT: unhinged. And the fact that I said that without twisting my tongue around another dick is a whole another story. Well, let's get into my first impressions. I didn't watch Inbetweeners when it first came out surprisingly. But I did watch it in in pretty much the age range it was targeted to. Mhmm. Unfortunately, I had well, fortunately, I did have a manager at a part time job I was working at, and everyone said he was exactly like Will from Inbetweeners. Oh. And it was before I had watched Inbetweeners. And this wasn't really

10:07KT: it wasn't really a job that people dream about. It wasn't really a career path. It was kind of like a transient, like, you work here, you get paid as a side sort of job, and then you move on with your life sort of place. Right? And he was he was like, you know what? Like, Will is the definition of middle management. Like, he's got enough power to feel like he has power, but he's powerless in every other regard. Yep.

10:34KT: When I had watched Inbetweeners after that, was like, oh, fuck. I could have laughed along with everyone else if I had just understood that reference. PSA, guys, understand the fucking reference too. Right? Oh, but I fucking love Inbetweeners. It was great. And I do just want to specify. I went to an all girls high school. So any of the pheromones were well over the distance. Right? There were girls climbing over the fence to get to the fellas, but that wasn't me.

11:06KT: If you find any CCTV saying otherwise, don't believe it. Hashtag fake news. So I got the gist of like teenage guys. Right? I I I didn't I didn't care for it. Mhmm. But in a TV show, bring it on. I wanna make it very clear. I would not have hanged out with any of these guys

11:27KT: during my high school years.

11:30KT: But having finished high school and watching it and just knowing how disgusting teenage straight boys can be, I wholly wholly wholly enjoyed this series. I don't think it got super deep, did it? Not that it had to. It really didn't, but we weren't watching it to get deep. Well, that's odd. Well, we we happen to make things very sad or very deep out of nowhere. So I guess we'll see. But I really I I found so much joy in watching Inbetweeners and I fucking loved how vulgar it was. It was exemplary.

12:04KT: Oh, is that it was? It was the cream of the crop, if you will. So I guess we've talked about the series generally. Let's get into the characters. I know we've kind of already talked about them. Actually, before we talk about the main characters, who would you say is your favorite? And you can give your criteria of what you specify as why they're your favorite. But I just wanna know, just just snap decision off the top of your head, who's your favorite?

12:04Oti: I'd say Simon.

12:04KT: Wow. We're going to learn a lot about you, sir.

12:38Oti: No, Simon, because he's he's he's he's a bit more relatable. Yeah. To some extent, more than the others, because Jay is just super wacko. Like, if he had a friend like Jay, you'd be busting your bloody head in every time.

12:50KT: But he's like that one friend, like, you know, years and years later, you're like, why the fuck was I friends with this guy? He's a pathological liar. And we'll talk about him as a character. But So Simon's your favorite.

12:50Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely Simon. I know I know I think I know who you'd go with.

12:50KT: Okay. Do it.

12:50Oti: Neil.

12:50KT: No. Will's I my think if if if I step out of my self awareness pool,

13:19KT: then I could very easily become Will because I'm very I'm very black and white. You know, rules are the rules. Dr. Stone for our anime fans. And there are so many instances where Will just like he just steps his foot, his life in shit. Right? And when when we talk about Simon, can Will, we can go through that. But I relate to that so much.

13:19Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I could see you as a Will.

13:19KT: I was a fucking tyrant in high school.

13:51Oti: No. I could picture you as a Jay in high school.

13:56KT: Fuck.

13:56Oti: Do you remember I think it was a school dance. The girl that gave him a hand job, and it looked exactly like him.

13:56KT: Ew. Are you saying that to me?

13:56Oti: Yeah.

13:56KT: Damn, dawg.

14:08KT: I had

14:12KT: hoped for higher, but it's always good to be honest. Right? Why would you say Neil is my favorite?

14:12Oti: I don't know. Like, he he goes under the radar most of the time.

14:12KT: Because he's tall and lanky and likes to finger because that's that's you, sir.

14:27Oti: Yeah. No. You said it.

14:29KT: You did it. You whittled it.

14:32Oti: But yeah. Well, it's interesting that you went with Will. I found him at times sort of I don't know. I just couldn't relate to him at all.

14:39KT: But you don't you don't think that I'm quite similar in, like like, this needs to be that way?

14:39Oti: Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure.

14:39KT: So do you see any similarities between you and Simon?

14:55Oti: Not similar. No. I didn't go with Simon just because I'd see similarities with him. I just reasoning with him more in this

14:55KT: Okay. Better question. Who who are you most like in the Inbetweeners? We've never done this. I don't think we've ever talked about this in any of our other episodes. Right? No.

15:08Oti: Wow. I don't know. Let's do each other. Who do you think?

15:08KT: Well, I told you, I think I'm most like Will.

15:08Oti: No. You do me.

15:17KT: I think you're Neil. Yeah. Like, you don't say much and then when you do say something, usually it means it's something profound. But when you say something, it's like, what the fuck? It's like, who let this guy in here?

15:17Oti: Thank you.

15:17KT: Jesus Christ.

15:32KT: That wasn't a compliment.

15:34KT: See, Neil? Did you hear the tone I said? Bloody hell. Do I need a sarcastic microphone here so you can tell what it is? Too jazzy? Oh, too bloody jazzy. There are so many there are so many quotes and lines we just take from the Inbetweeners without even realizing. Right? Mhmm. Okay. Which character do you wanna start off with?

15:34Oti: Let's start off with your favorite, Will.

15:34KT: My favorite Will? There's there's so much to say about Will. I think his sense of self is directly related to the control

16:05KT: thinks that he has in his life. And whenever that unravels, that's where you see all of the fun and all of the hijinks in the show. Oh, yeah. For sure. And he has a fit mom. He does have a fit mom. Do you remember in I can't remember which movie it was, but she was using the Skype. And she was, like, trying to turn off the call and her TVs were in the camera. Yep. She but she understands the sexuality that she yields.

16:30Oti: She's kinda like Gillian Anderson in Sex Education.

16:32KT: How dare you? No one is Gillian Anderson.

16:38Oti: Right? She plays that sim she she kinda like represent that similar sort of role. What did Will's mom do aside from other people? That's the same thing Gillian Anderson is doing in sex ed. Damn, dawg.

16:49KT: She was a sex therapist. It's a proper profession. You daddy pig. I'm sure we'll cover Sex Education, but obviously, we need to pay homage to the Inbetweeners. I don't even know what the fuck she did. It doesn't even matter. Right? No. It doesn't. It's more of a of a character just for Jay to fantasize about. Speaking of, Jay's mom would do it for a packet of biscuits. There was so much there was so much lusting

17:18KT: in this series. And obviously, because it's same age boys. But do you remember and it was leading up to the school dance, but they were talking about I think she was a biology teacher or she was a science teacher. And they were talking about how she's so fucking hot. And Will was like, no. I think she's just the only lady that's closest to our age. Yep. Just

17:34KT: well, actually, let's let's take a step back for a second because the the obviously, there's some sort of overlap in your frame of reference. What what was it like being a teenage boy?

17:34Oti: Pretty much what you watched in Inbetweeners.

17:47Oti: Horny as fuck. And I I went to a mixed school, and it was boarding. So the girls would be would be sleeping within the school compound, and the girls would stay outside. So they had, like, dormitories outside the school. Oh, okay. Alright. Yeah. So it was pretty much the same. I did always try and get there.

18:02KT: Oh, okay. It was like your nightly mission.

18:09Oti: Pretty much because Retreat. That's the only thing boys thought of. You know? But, anyway, I'm digressing. But it was exactly what the sort of dynamism where you'd have friends, some more horny than others, just some coming off as bloody rapiest g sometimes. But it was all the same sort of similar dynamics. And it's quite interesting just being taken back to that sort of world and just enjoying it fully and realizing what the fuck.

18:38KT: Well, I I because my parents are brown and religious. They they told me that I should learn about sex at school. So my my sort of early education was from eight year old boys. Nothing not not in a touching sense. Settle down, kids. There will not be a 60 Minutes piece on me, at least not yet. So that that wasn't the best way to learn about things. And obviously, I didn't really learn anything either.

19:04Oti: Oh, yeah. Same same with me. My parents never taught me anything about that. It was all from just exploring even before school covered it. So it was ridiculous. And self exploration is very important. Good. Yeah. Yeah. You get to find a lot about yourself when, you know, it's just all instinctual. You can feel a lot about yourself as well.

19:25KT: Yeah. So Inbetweeners was just a breath of fresh air. It was very liberating in many ways as well. Oh, for sure. So again, I went to an all girls high school, but in my primary school, which I think you guys had primary school in Kenya Yep. Which is based off the Britons, which Australia is based off as well. American high American fans. I think they have elementary Yeah. Middle don't really know what what which one is that. But in primary school, for me, boys were actually, like, pulling bra straps.

19:57KT: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was a thing. Is that was that was that just a Western thing?

19:57Oti: No. I think that's a Western thing.

19:57KT: Oh, okay.

19:57Oti: African boys have lines with

19:57KT: Oh, okay. So you would wank in shame?

19:57Oti: Would wank in shame in the corner somewhere. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to finish.

19:57KT: Oh, yeah. The shame is is a essential component to fruition. But, like because my parent especially my mother, she denied that my sister and I had any sort of sexuality. So even though we possibly were developing,

20:26KT: we didn't get those cute sort of bras. So no one was like snapping my bra, which is fine. I had like, you know, the old pioneer first settlement to Australia sort of bras, no underwires. That means nothing to, I guess, people that don't have breasts. But, like, they weren't cute. Like, underwear was not cute at all. So all of that sort of, like, sexual energy, it was just, like, in a different direction, which I am completely happy with.

20:56KT: Guys my age growing up in school were sweaty and gross. And as far away as you could be, I was most woken. But let's go back to Will. Let's go back to Will. He had a very stringent way of doing things, and there's also a big parallel between his character and the rest of the guys because he came from a private school. I think in in the very early episodes, if not the first episode, he gets called a briefcase wanker. Yep. Very satisfying. Like, I feel like wanker is just a great word. But some

21:26KT: who goes with the briefcase at school? Yeah. But he was a fan bring things to yourself. I don't know, mate. There was actually in primary school, there was a guy that brought a suitcase to school. I guess because he couldn't afford a briefcase, but he brought, like, a suitcase to school and, like, I wonder I wonder how he I wonder how he fared in the world. Who knows? I hope you are well.

21:50KT: But just Just weird. But he had a very particular way of living and you have characters that are very like that. They like to immerse themselves in like extracurricular activities. The person that comes to mind, I think her name is Paige in Atypical. Know, characters that really find their identity in doing things and being immersed and getting involved and that sort of thing. But Will was a fucking psycho. Let me bring you to a couple of examples that, you know, if if I wasn't careful, I probably would have dived into as well.

22:22KT: I guess the most jarring example of Simon and how uptight he was and how much he followed the rules

22:30Oti: Mhmm. Because apparently Of Will you mean?

22:30KT: Yes.

22:34KT: How dare I mention the thespian. I don't wanna besmirch Simon. Not not yet anyway. With Will is when they finally went to the amusement park that Neil works at. And they were waiting for a long time in line to ride the really scary roller coaster ride. Oh,

22:53Oti: yeah.

22:54KT: And Will did not let it go. The guy that you know, like, I don't know if it's as bad as America, but the guy that was working at the theme park, you knew he wasn't getting paid enough to have to deal with this. No. Have this back and forth with this annoying kid. And Will's like, no. We waited. These are our seats. And then and then the guys were like, just go. Just go. Just go. And he's like, fine. I'll sit next to these ungrateful assholes.

23:27KT: And you see that they're that they're disabled. And he's like, what do you what do you even do? What do you even do at that point? There's nothing you can do, is there? Just just look down, you know,

23:38Oti: and pretend that never happened.

23:40KT: I guess the horror started before the roller coaster started. But I not not to that extent, but I've been in examples before where I'm like, the rules are like super super important. Just just so many examples like that. Not to a serious sort of extent, but when he was planning one of the dances that they have, the one that's like super purple, he addresses he addresses Mr Gilbert as Phil.

24:09Oti: Yep.

24:10KT: He's like, thanks, Phil. He's like, no. Thank you, Mr Gilbert. Actually, Will and Mr Gilbert actually have quite a lot of dynamics even before he gets with the mom. So it it's quite nice to see their not necessarily Journey, but their sort of interactions Oh, yeah. Together as well. Even when he was in the exam and he asked to go to the toilet for the fifth time in one hour. Oh. Come on. We've all been there.

24:37Oti: We have, unfortunately.

24:39KT: And sometimes we didn't make it there just like Will. Okay. When he said I farted, I thought it was safe. Just just oh, he he just he just has like, his whole energy is my love language. I just love everything about Will. He is wrong in the worst of ways, but I fucking love Will. He's and he's kind of the catalyst for getting them into the ridiculous situations that they get into. Yeah. Because he tries to follow rules all the time that takes him down a rabbit hole.

25:16Oti: Yeah. Which is kinda a crazy thing. Kids, don't follow rules, mate.

25:16KT: Don't follow rules or don't be influenced by your peers?

25:16Oti: Both.

25:24KT: Okay. Don't do anything. Stay home. Stay home and watch Inbetweeners, friends and lovers and listen to our episodes. We've got a whole catalog for you. Let's move on to another character. Should we do Simon? Simon. He's the most normal

25:41Oti: question. Seemingly normal one. Seemingly normal is apt. Yes. Yeah. And and watching this, was you know, the past few episodes, you're like, oh, yeah. Simon is is a level headed in this. Yeah. You needed some sort of balance. Right? You needed a control in this boy experiment. Only for him to unravel throughout the later episodes and to fully reveal who he was as a character. Bloody hell.

26:05KT: Like, the way he would just scream at his parents. He He reminded me of Justin Long's character in F Is for Family. Goddamn. Oh, yes. That means nothing if you've never watched F Is for Family, but you should. It's great show. It's Bill Burr.

26:21Oti: And that's why I love Simon so much because it's always the most normal sort of level headed looking people that are kind of there, you know? Uh-huh. The surprise packages, and he definitely was a surprise in this.

26:34KT: Yeah. His his package was a surprise to everyone in that fashion show. I think it was Lady Marmalade. Oh my god. Can you if you're listening to this episode, please pause it and go and watch go and watch the clip where he does the fashion show because he does it with so much confidence. And he's, like, cocking his head. And that was his real balls sticking out. Actually, yes. That was his real balls. Game over. Game over. Right? Like method acting who?

27:08KT: Until you present your real ballsacks, male and female, Cartman, I acknowledge you, then I don't recognize you as a thespian. No. No, man.

27:19Oti: Because he had such some bloody freakish fancy. Everybody vomited on Carly's brother. Yeah. Oh,

27:27KT: far out. And let's let's talk about Simon and Carly. There were qualms, and all of the qualms were towards Carly mostly, but also Simon.

27:27Oti: No. Carly all the way.

27:27KT: Alright. Settle down. Like, far out, man.

27:41Oti: She stringed Simon along.

27:44KT: Yes. She did. Oh, totally. Just because.

27:47Oti: And the fact when when Simon was interested in someone else, that's when Carly now was interested in Simon?

27:47KT: No. I don't think she was interested. She just wanted to

27:47Oti: Pretended to be interested in him?

27:47KT: Yeah.

27:47Oti: That Simon was all again. Give him yeah. Like Yeah. Bloody hell. And the fact that I think this was later in, I think, in the movies where Simon traveled all the way to Australia to follow Carly and all that nonsense. Oh, that was one of the most infuriating things. Like, he gave up perfect perfect relationships

28:13Oti: to be with Carly. Okay. Not perfect.

28:16KT: Okay. In one of the movies, wasn't wasn't his girlfriend the one that was cutting his clothes and burning it? Well, yeah. But that's fair enough, you know. Well, they do say that, you know, you you try to go for your mother's or your father's. I don't think Simon's mom was controversial in any way though. No. His dad was. Was the dad? The dad had stories. Oh, yeah. And it was mostly about him and the mom fucking.

28:43Oti: Did you have friends who would have parents who would be open like that? No.

28:48KT: No. You?

28:51Oti: Hell no. What the hell? It wasn't something you talked about. Yeah. Yeah. That that was so If I had a parent say that, I'd be like, I don't even know, man.

28:59KT: Yeah. Because it it became such a normal thing. Everyone was just like, okay. Fine. Yeah. That's his dad. It's not the first story we've heard. Right? Yeah. Wow. But Simon was a character. I I think he knew I think he knew that Carly had a hold on him and he just let it. Yeah. But to what extent?

29:19Oti: To what extent you draw a line and just say But eventually, you grow out of it. Right? And after you've done with high school, ideally, you should be done with that nonsense. But nah, man.

29:30KT: Well, he wasn't a fucking incel. Like

29:30Oti: Oh, he he he was heading there.

29:30KT: Oh, no.

29:38Oti: Simon Cooper 69. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much.

29:42KT: Well, Simon Cooper six not nine.

29:45Oti: But what? Yeah. Like, I love Simon though. Really? That much? Yeah. Wow. All his scenes are hilarious. His interactions, his reaction to things.

29:58KT: But that's it. It's not necessarily him. Like, he is like the he's reflecting all of the colors off of him. That's what it takes makes the show. You know? Alright. Settle down. It's not called in Simon is.

30:12Oti: It should be.

30:14KT: Speaking of in anything, let's talk about Jay. Fun to watch, but not to be around.

30:21Oti: Yeah. And some points, it wasn't even fun for me anymore. Like, the Really? Like, the the parts where I just got really frustrated by him. Like, fuck's sakes, just say the truth. Just say one little truth. It won't hurt. And I think the that frustration was more towards Jay in the movies rather than Jay in the show. Yeah. And I guess that's just extra material. That's just extra material. But in the movie, Jay is just too much. But sometimes people are just like that.

30:50KT: Yeah. Like, I if we're talking like people that just lie for no fucking reason, I used to work with someone that had the absolute best life. Like, every weekend he was going to the best, most exclusive of parties ever. Right? His social media was, you know, an influencer's wet dream. Right? And then there was one time we went out for work drinks and we're in not necessarily what some people might call a dive bar. Like, we weren't in the scummiest of scum, but we we were in like a normal sort of pub.

31:23KT: But he tagged all of us and said we're at this really exclusive club and we weren't. And that's why I'm like, I kind of had an inkling that this guy was full of shit and now I know he is. But he's fine with people knowing that he's full of shit.

31:41Oti: Yeah.

31:42KT: Right? And maybe that's where I got an appreciation of Jay as a character.

31:46Oti: I don't know. Like, yeah, he he was well, it was it was all fun and games in the show, and then it just escalated in the movies and Jay, far up. But you could see why he's like that. Oh, yeah. You could see how he's like that, when we were shown his interactions with his father. Yeah. Wow.

32:08KT: Because his dad's a fucking loser, but he, like, he beats down on Jay.

32:13Oti: Oh, beat down, I think, is an understatement. What he's bloody doing is fucking brutal. Mhmm. And I think Jay just has to have this sort of demeanor or put up this facade just to feel better about himself in any sort of way.

32:13KT: So you understand that, but he still bothered you?

32:13Oti: Oh, yeah.

32:13KT: You see kids, rewind to when we thought we wouldn't get deep and there you go. Sometimes you just have to pull out yourself up by the bootstraps and, you know, just just

32:45KT: break free. Like, if you know better, do better, Jay. Yeah. Yep. For sure. I think he I think it's nice though. I think he was a nice reprieve from real sort of teenage woes. But, yeah, like you said, it gets to a point where it's like, really, dude? Yeah. He got them lost in the desert. That was him. Right? I'm pretty sure it was him. Yes. Oh my god. And in in that episode, weren't they trying to drink Neil's piss? Yeah.

33:11KT: And they wasted the one drop that actually did come out. I don't think we researched enough. Sorry, friends and lovers. Was that a real dick? I don't think it was. Probably a prosthetic. Prosthetics. Well, if it was Joe, I'm sure he would have shown his dick. I believe that to be the case. Because you know what the funny thing was? Without even knowing, without even watching the interviews, when we saw Simon on the runway, we're like, are those his real balls? It just it it was just like, those look like real balls.

33:44KT: Yeah. You're just gonna let me take the wheel on the Take the wheel, man. Take the wheel. I'll take the wheels and I'll take the balls if you're nasty. Very interesting. Very interesting about Jay as a character, but you can also just enjoy him as he is. Oh, for sure. He's not an everyday friend, though.

34:02Oti: Yeah. He has to be taken in moderations. Yeah. That weekend friend or once a month friend would probably be more honest. If you wanna go out every so often, he's your friend. Yeah. He'll bring crazy times and fun, you know, like fun crazy times to the party. Uh-huh. But you do not want to be hanging out with him every single day. It'll just be too much.

34:02KT: Well, like Jack Donaghy said in 30 Rock, never follow a hippie to a second location

34:27KT: or just never follow Jay to a second location, essentially. Let's talk about Neil. I think he had I don't know if this is fair, but I feel like personally Neil had the least dimension in cast of the cast.

34:39Oti: They didn't really focus too much on him. He was just there.

34:44KT: I think he was well, the way it was described by Damon and Iain was he was he was thick, Not like t h I c c, but thick as in dumb. But he was good looking enough to do well in life by being dumb, but also being particularly good looking, I guess, contrast with the rest of the guys. Actually, no. No. Go

35:10Oti: there. He's alright. He is good looking. This is a reference BuzzFeed.

35:14KT: Okay? No. No. No. No. Like, Blake Harrison is very is very handsome. I'm I'm not talking about him. Was talking about the but with Neil's character, they were talking about how they weren't really sure how his character would be once they decided that it would be Blake. That would be playing Neil. So that's an interesting sort of thing, but also at the same time, there's only so much you can take his character. Same with like Creed from The Office, not necessarily Ray from Archer, but there was a balance.

35:49KT: You know, there's a balance in the formula of an ensemble cast that you would have. But Neil had some very interesting moments. Something that I always come back to whenever we're watching something, whether it's an anime or an action or a comedy or whatever, whenever something's, like, very brutal, I always think back to Neil punching that fish because it was just so unnecessary. And I think it was in the same cluster of episodes where they went on that school excursion was with the Pedo, the teacher.

36:18Oti: Yeah. Pedo. What was his name?

36:22KT: And we had Pedo Kennedy.

36:25Oti: Oh, yeah. That was that's some creepy shit.

36:28KT: And then we also see him later on in the fashion show as well when he kept trying to dress Neil. And again, it it could have turned into something a lot darker, but it stayed in the comedic dark well, dark comedic sort of realm.

36:40Oti: Oh, like those unacceptance that he had an interest to children and he just they just let him be, like, controlled him. I don't know. Like, they've gone on a There was a complacency. Yeah. They've gone on some sort of trip, and they were sleeping in the dorms, and Pedo Kennedy was strolling around only for Mr Gilbert to come and just pull him away. Like, okay, you know? Yep. It's alright.

37:06KT: This is as much as we're gonna deal with it. That's it. Yeah. But Neil was a very interesting character. He was more sexually experienced than the rest of them. Oh, he he got all the birds. Do you think would you count Will with Charlotte having sex or not? Yes. It was a sexual experience. I don't know necessarily if he was sex though. Yeah. It was sex. Do you want me to replay you him hopping up and down?

37:36Oti: I know. But he's the he's the only one that's got as far compared to the rest of the car of of the of the guys. Nah. Neil would have gone in there.

37:44KT: Well, Neil Neil is fingered. Well, yeah. And finger leads to forking, doesn't it?

37:49Oti: They never they just said fingered, so I'm assuming he just ended there. Well, finger finger leads to food. Food of the soul. How are you calling me a fish stick? Fish sticks.

38:02KT: Oh, don't we love South Park? Love you too. Do people compare Inbetweeners to South Park? I don't know. No. I don't think so. You heard it here first, friends and lovers, an exclusive headline. Yeah. But yeah. Neil also had a fit sister.

38:18Oti: Yeah.

38:19KT: And also we had Neil's dad. Oh, he's super bent.

38:24Oti: Super bent.

38:26KT: The episode where they're trying to get alcohol where Will decides that his cover to buying alcohol is he's inviting all the adults around, so he's buying all of these crisps. Apparently, that was a real life story from Damon. Oh, really? Yeah. He like tried to dress up older and buy all the chips and accidentally buy some alcohol. I got into drinking in my early twenties, so I didn't have to experience buying alcohol underage and that sort of thing. Did you?

38:58Oti: No. I had gone to a party in my I think I was 12 or 10. Jesus. And my first drink was a Pilsner. Yeah. That was a bit too rough.

39:12KT: Damn, dawg. We are we are revealing it all today. Yep. Hopefully, there were no Kennedys in your vicinity. Jesus. But I bloomed very late. The petunia is. The petunia is about to bloom and that's a 30 Rock reference. Thank you, Oti. You're welcome. So again, I am not judging. If if you also started your expedition at twelve, then, you know, good to you. Power to you. And power to Neil. Oh, Neil. Oh, Neil. Going back to the alcohol episode, it culminated in Will getting very, very drunk and him insulting Neil's dad

39:54Oti: Oh, yeah.

39:56KT: And calling him a bumder

40:01Oti: The fuck is a bumder? I'm not bloody idea what a bumder is, but it's Oh, but it's The house. It the it is the absolute perfect punctuation.

40:08KT: It is. It really is. You know when you're just, like, freestyling, you're just, like, seeing whatever you've got in the kitchen, in the pantry, in the fridge, and you're looking at all your seasonings and there's something missing? I fucking bumder. Fucking bumder all over your dinner.

40:24Oti: Oh, yeah. So good.

40:26KT: Mhmm. This show was fucking great. Yeah. I cannot wait until our Christmas episode where we actually rate things. Oh.

40:36Oti: I don't know if you'll be surprised, but I fucking love this show. I love it too. We've we've watched it a couple of times now through and through. So it's it's a really good rewatchable show.

40:47KT: It's good and it's great. And there are so many moments and the friendship that these guys have are quite good as well. Yeah. Just don't try the American version. Fuck me, man. Don't just sometimes, you know I think the only time it works is the American Office. Yeah.

41:03Oti: Yeah. Right? Because they tried Skins, and that was a failure.

41:03KT: I've never watched Skins.

41:07KT: Get out of TM. I love Dev Patel. And as we all know, Daniel, hallelujah, hallelujah. Mhmm. But I've never watched Skins. And also Shameless. You like The US Shameless, don't you? Yeah. Shandice is good.

41:19Oti: Have you did you have you watched The UK? I've watched a season of The UK, so I've watched more of The US version.

41:19KT: Oh, scandal. Controversy.

41:19Oti: But yeah. Oh, bloody hell. The American version is the worst thing that I've ever seen in my life, And that's it

41:19KT: Of the Inbetweeners?

41:19Oti: Because they tried to reenact the Frisbee scene. Yeah. You know,

41:40KT: the Frisbee scene where they hit a disabled girl, that that actress was actually she's actually disabled. And if you were to watch a shot by shot of the original, the only acknowledge in the For Your Reference household Inbetweeners and the vile inferior trash that is the American one, it it just doesn't pay off the same way. No. It doesn't. No. The casting was all over the place as well. But it was just like the reason why it works is because they're so uniquely British. Right? And

42:10KT: that's not something that you can transfer. Like The Office, yeah, everyone works in the office. Shameless, yeah, you always have some sort of dysfunctional family. I'm assuming that's what that is. Yep. Skins is like a coming of age sort of thing. And I guess you could say that Inbetweeners is just, you know, universal adolescent woes, but I wouldn't say so. Like, the actual humor of Inbetweeners is uniquely British.

42:32Oti: Oh, yeah.

42:33KT: And it's it's foul and it's vulgar, but it's also very British, and you can't translate that. Although, if Australia wanna make an Inbetweeners actually, I'm I'm a bit too old for that bracket now. You see me with my walk trying to see me with my walking frame in the background?

42:33Oti: Would you be like, well, Shamey, how are you doing, fellow kids?

42:33KT: Wow. I love that you have brought up a second 30 Rock reference. I know. Right? Yes. That would be me not understanding

43:03KT: any no. I'm kidding. Stop stop fucking rebooting and remaking shit. Yeah. But you know what was great? The ten year anniversary of Inbetweeners. Oh. How good was it? It was hilarious. It was fucking brilliant. And you just need to leave it there, really. Leave it there. You reckon they'll do a there's no there's nothing to go back to. That's It's done. Just rewatch the Yeah. Original stuff. You don't need to demand new

43:27Oti: Like how they're doing an extra episode of Friends or some shit. I'm like, mate, that was done. Wasn't be content. It's fucking finished.

43:27KT: That wasn't on my radar.

43:27Oti: Well, they filmed apparently, they filmed a special a special episode to show where they are now. Who fucking cares? Yeah. We already know how it's bloody brought it up. Ten seasons. We got ten seasons. Rarely do you get a show that gets that much. They covered a lot.

43:54KT: Did How Met Your Mother get that much?

43:56Oti: Almost. Too much. Right? Too much. Some sometimes you need to take things away from them. Wow. Is it the fifth season? Oh, yeah. We're closing you down. Wow. Really? Mhmm. You proud of yourself? No. Sometimes, mate. There there there are times where you need just to put a a break on the no. Because actually, writers usually have a a window or an idea of how long they want the show to run, but it's executives who try and push it. Popularity.

44:23Oti: If you're bringing money, there's no way they're telling you they're shutting you down. They'll be like, push more episodes.

44:28KT: Well, like, in UK in The UK, they managed to do stuff that's very popular and they also move on from it. So surely there's, like, a profitable model Yeah. In there. Yeah. Syndication and all that shit. You know? You don't have to do a million episodes. Just calm down. Right? Yeah. So that that is the main sort of core cast that we have, but there is a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant secondary cast that I think we should just touch on with some other characters as well. Let's talk about Mr Gilbert.

45:00Oti: We all had that one teacher who's like Mr Gilbert.

45:00KT: Just doesn't give a fuck?

45:00Oti: Doesn't give a fuck. I'm fucking unapproachable.

45:08KT: There's there's also there's also an instance where Will has a bin on his head. And and all of his buddies are like, don't grass. Like, don't snitch. And Mr Gilbert's asking what happened, and Will's about to actually say what happened. He's like, Will, you're not about to grass when I ask you. You're going to say that you tripped and fell onto the bin. Let me ask you again. He doesn't fucking care about you, mate. No. He does. He doesn't care about your welfare. Yeah. He doesn't care about anything. Just

45:37KT: be as quiet as possible. And I don't even wanna know about your existence.

45:42Oti: Yeah.

45:44KT: I do feel like he suffered the same way that Jay suffered because in the movies, he just became a bit more outlandish. Yeah. So if I wanna be super critical and put both of my monocles, which we established were spectacles at that point. I guess I would say that, but I really enjoyed Mr Gilbert as a character. Greg Davies has gone well, I'm sure even before this, but he continues to be a Briton darling. He's even got his own show called Taskmaster.

46:11KT: Yeah. And he was an actual teacher. He was an actual teacher. I feel like, you know, the the the Briton stand up comedian starter kit is to be a teacher.

46:19Oti: Do you want to make it in stand up? Do you want to make it in comedy? Be a teacher. Because Romesh was also a teacher Yeah. As well. And Mobin.

46:32KT: Right? Yeah. Look at you. We're so diverse.

46:35Oti: Oh, so roast me.

46:37KT: And I just I just need to give a shout out to David Mitchell. I feel like he's a professor of everything. I feel like Simon Bird is a fancy little David Mitchell. I wanna see them in something together. And if they are already in something together, please let me know. Yeah, Mr Gilbert was very he was just like no bullshit. I don't wanna hear about your dreams. Like him at the school dance was was every like, I'm pretty sure everyone's experienced that. Yeah. So he was an interesting character.

47:09KT: I enjoyed him in the TV show, like I said. The movies are a bit else you wanna say about Carly?

47:16Oti: Oh, fucking hate her. Yeah. And that's pretty much it.

47:21KT: Oti, six not nine in his incel forum?

47:24Oti: Yep. No, really. Like, far out, man. If if if you're not interested, what's the bloody point? And get the bloody kids, but shit, man. This shit continued way after high school. So

47:37KT: Well, she was pretty and she used that to her advantage and she emotionally manipulated Simon. Right? So like she had a boyfriend but she always had Simon there. Yeah. And then Simon moved on. Mhmm. Do you remember there was a time where he was like playing a song for Carly and he was like really feeling it?

47:59KT: Oh my god. You could not pay me enough. You could not pay me enough to be a teenager again. Fucking hell, man. Oh, yeah. Bloody wonder how I got through that shit. Right. Like, I feel like your teenage years is the cruelest thing that could ever happen to you. Yeah.

48:16Oti: Man, you're punished to be a teenager. Bloody hell. Like,

48:20KT: what was that? Like, it's just a whole

48:23Oti: blur. Yep. And I'd like to know to remain a bloody blur.

48:29KT: A big splooshy blur. This is this is going to get deeper than, I guess, it needs to in on and in between this episode. But do you feel like you you like, you are who you are at that time, or you found who you were after school?

48:47Oti: Oh, definitely found who I was after school. Fucking high school and probably did so much cheat noise.

48:52KT: So much noise.

48:55Oti: Noise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just need to tune all that out and and then find your own path. And and that definitely didn't happen for me in fucking high school.

48:55KT: Yeah. I I think I was the same as well. I think I was like,

49:08KT: I'm just going to do what needs to be done. Yeah. And then I'm going to figure out who I am after that. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. It was literally just trying to get shit done. Pretty much. I went from KT Winfrey to KT King. Is that Gayle's last name?

49:26KT: Oti?

49:26Oti: Mhmm.

49:26KT: Oti? Don't put Oti in the corner.

49:32KT: Oh my. If you didn't think we were going to go from Inbetweeners to Gayle King to Dirty Dancing, you were wrong, friends and lovers. But also if you've listened to us before, that should not be a surprise to you. No, it should not. There was another character that I wanted to talk about. I'm not sure if you wanna talk about anyone else, but I wanted to talk about Donovan.

49:55Oti: Oh.

49:57KT: First of all, watching interviews of Henry Lloyd-Hughes who plays Donovan, he seems very sweet. He seems almost like Will in real life. Like, his whole demeanor changes just based on the fact that his voice isn't the way that you would think that it would be. Yeah. So I guess let's just talk about Donovan as a character. I don't remember which character it was, but they were trying to buy weed off him. It was probably Jay, to be honest. And he, like, opened the tea leaves and gave it to Jay.

50:32KT: What do you think of Donovan as a character? Does he resemble anything that you've ever come across or

50:37Oti: No, man. Never came across anything like that, but he he bullied pretty much Will. Yeah. Just because Will was interested in Charlotte. I I really care for him that much. I just thought it was fun. I'm not really sure,

50:49KT: you know, what was in the cards for a character like Donovan into adulthood, for example. But I think it was an interesting sort of interplay. Anytime that Will got his comeuppance was a great time for me. So I really enjoyed having Donovan character around. Is there anything you wanna say about Charlotte? She's on the Celebrity Gogglebox. She is. Yeah.

51:12Oti: No. Fair play to her for giving Will his first time experience.

51:15KT: Oh, my. I I thought she was fun. I I like that she got a few episodes Yeah. In this show as well. She was great. Yeah. At least she didn't lead people on. Oh, yes. Yeah. I think casting was very important with this show. Mhmm.

51:31Oti: And I think not enough not enough praise gets put on casting directors because I think that they do such an important role because one slight miscast can just turn the whole show sour. And I'd I'd Daenerys on Game of Thrones. I'd I'd I'd put this show on the line for that sort of misplaced casting. There was a show called Camelot.

51:31KT: Is Camelot different to Merlin?

51:31Oti: Yes. They put the wingest, creamiest person ever as as King Arthur, and it just ruined the show.

52:04KT: Jay Jamie Campbell Bower? Yeah. So the director was in Twilight. Oh, was he? Does that explain it all? It explains it all. I remember he was also on, yeah, The Mortal Instruments, and that didn't do

52:16Oti: Like me, you need your casting director to do a brilliant job, and I think they did a perfect one in Inbetweeners.

52:21KT: Because, yes, we say it's a show that doesn't go too deep, but comedy isn't easy to do. Like, you're trying to incite joy or confusion in some cases in regards to comedy and it's not easy to do. And Inbetweeners thrives. I don't think there were any, like, bum episodes. I'm pretty sure that's a technical term. I I like, I don't think there were any episodes where I was like, this was a waste of an episode. Oh, no. Like,

52:54KT: everything was great. They understood the show that they were making. There was no pretension about it. And we just moved on and we enjoyed it. Yeah. And it's rare it's a it's a rare thing to find where you could watch a show throughout its whole seasons

53:06Oti: and not find an episode that you wanted you felt like you could skip or it just didn't please you at all. Like like a filler. Yeah. It's like finding the perfect sort of album where you could listen to all the tracks. Like, it's one of those scenarios where you just find something that you love and you could listen to it the whole time. Same with Inbetweeners. You could watch it, rewatch it a million times. That'll never get old.

53:06KT: So it's more like good kid, m.A.A.d city, not To Pimp a Butterfly?

53:29Oti: Yep.

53:29KT: Damn, dawg. KT Fantano. That was a Kendrick reference and also an Anthony Fantano reference. And if you don't understand any of that because you're listening to Inbetweeners, then that's fine. It is fine. We would also be fine if you just went and watched Inbetweeners and had us on in the background. That's how we tend to do it. But thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We take kindly or kind around here in the For Your Reference household. What a show.

54:01KT: You know what the nice thing is about Inbetweeners is even though it took us over a year to cover it on our beloved podcast, it will continue to live on in our viewing catalogs You're welcome. For many years and years to come. Yep. Speaking of, let us move on to the last segment which we call For Your Reference.

54:24Oti: I'm gonna reference Derry Girls.

54:27KT: Oh.

54:29Oti: It's a similar sort of setup in high school where you get this four girls who are sort of navigating the life in high school sort of the same way as Inbetweeners, and it's bloody brilliant. It's funny. It's different, and you would enjoy it. Yeah. And there was also a big shout out to Derry Girls in the ten year anniversary of Inbetweeners as well. Oh, yeah. He said as if you remembered. I do remember.

54:54KT: Great. That's a great reference, Oti. I will reference Plebs. I hate to be that person, but if you enjoyed Inbetweeners, you will definitely love Plebs. Plebs is pretty much the same sort of interplay between young adult men. Well, actually more adult than these fellas. Trying to navigate Rome. Very interesting. Cynthia is a character you need to look out for. Gladiatorial battles, and I can't wait to cover Plebs sometime on our podcast. I'm not sure how popular it is in the outside world. So give us a what what shout out if you've ever watched Plebs.

55:34KT: And even less probably watched, I will reference Friday Night Dinner. Good one. Yeah. It's got our Simon Bird in there as well, and it's also got Tom Rosenthal from Plebs.

55:47Oti: An inception sort of reference.

55:49KT: It's also got your Episodes lady. Oh, Tamsin Greig. Yeah. Greig. Maybe maybe Grease and Kenya. And also, Paul Ritter. It's a tasty bit of squirrel. Mhmm. But that is it, friends and lovers. Oh. But you know what? If you've been enjoying it, if this is just foreplay to you, then you can continue down our catalog and up our places. Mhmm. On Twitter and Instagram, you can find us on @ForYourRefPod. You can write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. And,

56:23KT: also, if you would be so kind, we also have Apple Podcasts. If you would like to give us a rating and also a review, we will take kindly. Goodbye, punkers friends. Bus wankers.