Silicon Valley – Erlich my Bachmann

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0:00KT: Good day. Welcome. Keep your shoes at the door. Hopefully, everyone is doing fine in the climate. Mhmm.

0:08Oti: Keep well. Stay well. Stay healthy.

0:11KT: If you're listening in linear time, there's a lot going on in the world. But, know, a lot goes on in the world as it goes. So we love you guys. And we are starting off with your phrase or mine.

0:20Oti: Woo hoo. It's my turn this time. Right?

0:20KT: It is right around here.

0:20Oti: Alright. Still taking you back to the motherland with a bloody beautiful Burundi proverb.

0:20KT: Oh, look at you.

0:20Oti: Don't tell any more fairy tales when the child has gone to sleep.

0:20KT: Well, if the child is asleep, no one is there that will believe it, so there's no point.

0:20Oti: Yeah. More or less. I think there's a Tongan ancestry in Gondwanaland. Yeah. There's some crossover, man.

0:57KT: Well, if we're all going into lockdown, we are going to start a history podcast, and you bet for goddamn sure Gondwanaland is going to be at the epicenter. Let's get on with the show. Howdy, friends and lovers. Welcome back to For Your Reference. You've got your sumptuous, voluptuous host, KT.

0:57Oti: And Oti.

0:57KT: And pour a glass of your finest Tres Comas. Get your most exotic of animals and meet us in the conference room. First agenda item, dick to floor ratio.

1:54KT: Yes, friends and lovers. We are covering Silicon Valley this week. Whoop whoop. Whoop whoop. And all of the accolades. Thank you so much. If this is the first time that you are listening to For Your Reference, we fucking love you. If this is your, you know, six seasons worth of listening to For Your Reference, how did you do that? We've only been around since last year. But again, we fucking love you guys. So thank you for sticking around. If you're listening in linear time, we've done quite a few recent sort of shows. Right?

2:28KT: And we wanted to, you know, give some homage to some shows that have been around for a while. And we're also going to dip into a lot of movies coming up as well. So this is a nice little that we are getting into with Silicon Valley this week. Are you ready, Oti?

2:28Oti: I am so ready. Is more like Not even. It's I don't know which school you went to, mate. You need to get your money back. Mate, this hooch that you gave me is throwing me all off in a 100 different ways.

3:03KT: But, you know, if you guys have watched Silicon Valley, this will be a great little taster for you guys. If you were disappointed with the finale, maybe this is a nice way to end the series by listening to this episode. So let's start off with the stats. It came out in April 2014 on HBO. Mhmm. I feel like we also watched that in linear time. Yeah. So it's crazy to think that it came out in 2014. Right?

3:30Oti: Mhmm.

3:31KT: We have the creators, John Altschuler, Dave Krinsky and also the esteemed Mike Judge. Also check out our Office Space episode because we are learning cinephiles and we did Office Space before Silicon Valley and it is in a nutshell like a, little sound bite. Mike Judge said that it is Office Space for the modern age. Interesting, right? You get those little flavors reference along the way. Just giving a quick sort of nutshell of the cast, we have Thomas Middleditch. He he is like a a little kid Jack in the Box.

4:16KT: We'll come to we'll come to him in a second. We also have Martin Starr, Kumail Nanjiani, Zach Woods, and also Amanda Crew. I guess it's also we should mention TJ Miller because he was quite prominent in the earlier seasons. And because we love Gavin Belson, I'll also mention Matt Ross. But what a show. Again, welcome, welcome, welcome. I guess if you have listened but you didn't realize, Oti and I are in IT. I think Oti is more the one that sits in the corner and wanks off to all the pretty girls in the office.

4:52KT: I am a paradox in that I'm more like the business facing sort of IT. So even I don't understand what the nerds are talking about even though they all travel in packs.

5:03Oti: I'm a lone wolf, mate.

5:05KT: Well, you're stroking your lone wolf. I said long wolf and I'm very proud of that. I will not take that back. Alright. Well, let's do it. Let's do it Oti. Six seasons, I guess we can talk about the quality therein or lack of, I guess we can say. But let's get into it. Let's talk about first impressions.

5:30Oti: Loved it. Loved it from the pilot episode. Up until the last season was a bit hit and go, but I really love this show. It was one of the shows that you watched and you couldn't wait to get to the office and discuss it. I remember especially when you had the dick to floor ratio, everyone was just talking about it in the office and we kept on looking at each other's crotches just trying to calculate it all.

5:55KT: Oh, come on now. Don't tell me it was all that teaser, no crescendo.

5:59Oti: Well, I'm not gonna tell everyone how we experimented but

6:04KT: It was very Nikolai Jakov from Archer. Yep. How did you actually come across this show? Because you're the one that introduced it into the For Your Reference household.

6:16Oti: I don't know. I can't remember, but it just one of those things, I guess, it just falls into your track list and you just go on and watch. And from then on, I was just hooked completely and utterly.

6:30KT: It hits all the marks that it needs to hit. It really does. Definitely.

6:34Oti: And even the varying characters like you have every single one of those in your office right now. Yeah. And I think you're a few of them.

6:43KT: We should do like a BuzzFeed. You reckon?

6:46Oti: We should like a BuzzFeed. Who who would you say closely resembles me in this?

6:51KT: Dinesh.

6:53Oti: You're a dick. No.

6:57KT: Because he's so incompetent. No. No. I don't mean it like that.

7:02Oti: But if you were That's the first one you went through.

7:07KT: Well, we can talk about all of the misadventures with Dinesh, but I'm just thinking about him as the CEO alone. You would power trip so hard, babe.

7:07Oti: No. I wouldn't.

7:07KT: You would trip over your power more than you would trip over your dick.

7:07Oti: I would not power trip at all.

7:07KT: Yeah. You would.

7:07Oti: Why do you think that's that's ridiculous?

7:07KT: In 2020, Oti, I'm crowning you the CEO of the For Your Reference household.

7:31Oti: Alright. This show is starting into a tech podcast.

7:34KT: Well, there you fucking go. There you fucking go. Speaking of the dick to floor ratio, according to IMDb trivia, so go and fight them, don't fight me. But apparently, they consulted actual professors in regards to the dick to floor ratio and it is a, I think like a 15 to 20 page official publication which you can go and read and with your workmates, you can assess that together.

8:00Oti: Wow.

8:02KT: Right, first impressions, first impressions, like we mentioned, we are both in IT. So it was fun to dabble in that world. You'll also notice in the opening credits for pretty much all of the seasons, they do change according to the different brands. Like when Facebook ate up WhatsApp, it pretty much fell into the animation as well. So lots of little details that they had. And also

8:30KT: I know there's quite a lot of pieces and a lot of interviews in regards to oh who does you know Richard Hendricks resemble and you know who does Gavin Belson resemble we're just here for the dicks, dicks, dicks, all the dicks. If you want an informative piece, then feel free to do a Google search because you're going to get something way more intelligible

8:52KT: than you're gonna get today. We are more in the world of the show and how much we enjoy it. Just like Monica doesn't like other women, we don't care for the research.

8:52Oti: Oh, sure. Those are some hard digs right off the cuff.

8:52KT: So I guess let let's just let's just start off with the characters. Yeah? Mhmm. So this centers around I don't know if he's despicable, but he's not very likable.

9:21Oti: Becomes less

9:21KT: Richard Hendricks.

9:21Oti: He becomes less likable as the season progresses. Because

9:27KT: In in in so much as he doesn't have character development. I think that's why he gets more annoying.

9:33Oti: Yeah, actually. Because Dinesh and Guilfoyle both sort of have their own thing. By the end of the day, when something needs to get done Yeah. They'll pull through.

9:45KT: Yeah. I I I generally enjoyed the branding in general with Pied Piper. Remember the first early logo with the skin flute? That was quite was quite nice. This this show was made for the nerds and for all of the nerds to indulge in, you know, and to to hit you in levels that only your mama can hit you. Right? So Richard's character, I think it just got a bit frustrating because he would go and do shit

10:18KT: without consulting anyone yet it affected so many people. Yep. And we started to see how that would crumble, you know, in the later sort of seasons when, you know, Pied Piper would really find its peak of success or stroke.

10:32Oti: You can stroke it too if you like. I'm gonna say a stride, but, you know, go for a stroke, mate.

10:39KT: Ain't nothing wrong with a stroke. But I don't know. He's just this really nervous ball of energy. I think also at the same time to be so proficient, dare we say a savant and be so talented and specialized in programming and also coding. Obviously, your social or even sort of business acumen is going to fall to the wayside. But Richard didn't accept that. Yeah. He didn't accept that perhaps he wasn't the best person to be in the conference room. True.

11:14Oti: Like, bringing us to bit of reality, we I started a tech startup and Mhmm. I knew I was not the best person to go and do those speeches. But far up, if we had a Jared in the office, it would have been a completely different thing.

11:14KT: Well, keep your virgins well fed and you'll be fine, my love.

11:14Oti: I am. Oh my.

11:36KT: We're waiting till marriage. Oh, but his character, I don't know. And it's, like, it's it's it's great that they have secondary characters that are bolstered in intrigue, and they have extra dimension to them to keep us going with this show. Yeah. Concept was great. Secondary characters were great. Richard wasn't badly written. I think he just he just got in his own way.

12:04Oti: He did. Especially, I think, in the later seasons where he interacts with Jared quite meanly. We didn't need him anymore. Like, yeah, but it just because at the start of this, Jared was all caring and he didn't want to hurt anyone, and then slowly, that kind of changes because he felt hard done by. He feels like Pied Piper should be in a different stratosphere. So

12:34Oti: he just started being this sort of a dickhead. Even more so, at least, you know, with with Gavin Belson, he knew what you're getting. Yeah. You know?

12:44KT: Hooli was big as not He grow as a character, but every time he came on the screen, I was ready. Just like hot nipples and cold popsicles or whatever whatever the fuck novella he plagiarized.

13:01Oti: But he's you knew what you're getting with him. But with Richard, he kept on trying to pretend as if he's some sheep in wolf's clothing though, you know?

13:11KT: Yeah. Interesting. I don't really care for him that much, so I would like to move on to more exciting characters if you don't mind. Let's talk about the even more dynamic than us, Oti duo Guilfoyle and Dinesh.

13:32Oti: Wow. It's it's one of those things that just make this show, I think. It really does. It does. Like, he could he could do the show without Alec Bokman and then he left and didn't really notice it that much. Sorry.

13:48KT: Are you here, Jian-Yang? His name's Erlich Bachman.

13:52Oti: What did I say? Not that.

14:00KT: Keep him true to gag me. I told you to stop coming around here. Did you find the hot dog you were looking for? Yeah. Did. Going back to Guilfoyle and Dinesh.

14:19Oti: Yeah. But, like, their chemistry, their banter is just second to none in this. I think they really do care for each other though. They do. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Hail Satan?

14:31KT: Did you forget that Guilfoyle's a Satanist?

14:34Oti: Oh my god. It's probably ridiculous. You know, one of the funniest thing is when Dinesh was CEO and they'd forgotten to update the terms and conditions of the website and then they had, like, children coming onto the platform with grown ass men.

14:55KT: There are so many tantalizing examples that you have with Dinesh and Guilfoyle. It is very sibling esque, but it is very coworker esque. You know, people that you don't mind if you have to spending time within work hours, but I kinda don't wanna fucking see you after that.

15:16Oti: Yeah. For sure.

15:18KT: We get to see a lot of the fun sort of moments that they have together quite early in the seasons, but even further into spoiler spoiler spoiler by the way. I just assume everyone knows by now, but you should still watch Silicon Valley. Even if you motherfuckers, I know you guys like to listen even though you haven't watched whatever we're covering, but you still need to listen. At least promise us that much that you're going to listen. And don't promise like Rose from Titanic. Give us a proper promise

15:46KT: that you're going to watch Silicon Valley even if you choose to listen to this episode. There was the whole sort of Tesla back and forth. It wasn't necessarily just Guilfoyle in the demise with Dinesh, but that was quite fun as well. But it it was it was fun to see their back and forth. Yeah.

16:09Oti: Yeah. It was really good to see their back and forth. And one of the things I think Dinesh has like the rigid kind of jinx where nothing just works for him because you see in the later seasons, you get Dinesh. He had an opportunity to go into something a project with his cousin, and then he pulled out laughing at the cousin thinking he was gonna tank, but the cousin managed to sell it for a lot of money Mhmm. To the point where Dinesh is just there stuck with Pied Piper going down as

16:37Oti: as a rock and just not knowing what to do.

16:40KT: Yeah. And even I think it wasn't the finale but it was leading up to the end of this series where they were trying to figure out how they're going to fuck it up. Right? Because they had built a technology that was so strong that essentially it's going to manage itself to the point where it doesn't have any sort of human intervention.

16:59Oti: Yeah. Right?

17:01KT: Great for AI, terrible for humans. Mhmm. And they're all trying to figure out, okay, how can we fuck this up? Yeah. How can we not fuck up fucking this up? And Dinesh is like, you need to keep me away from this. Right? Because just to get those they're going to sign a contract with a lot of money. I don't think they I don't think they really covered his upbringing, but I would definitely say he was a middle child.

17:28KT: Yeah. He acts like I'm child. For attention and he was always doing shit that was so extra and so unnecessary. Like, no one even asks you to flex, dude. Dinesh was that sort of kid. Right? Which was weird because having Guilfoyle super deadpan, super not get into shit, it somehow made him like Dinesh become even more competitive.

17:52Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I'd even remember one of the funny things I think with Dinesh is he had this relationship with a hacker Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Who he was so scared of to the point where he called the police on her because she hacked into some government. I think it FBI. Yeah. And then he still played this sort of innocent boyfriend sort of vibe, and he just paints a whole picture of how Dinesh is. He he was very

18:22KT: he he he needed to spend some time on a retreat and get to know himself.

18:28Oti: Or or when they just cracked the encryption the first time and they hosted the sort of video chat thing. But there was a lot of buffering. So he was starting with someone from India, I think, and they thought that, you know, the it was really the video was really pixelated, and Dinesh was like, oh, maybe I'm chatting with an Argo. Oh, it's gotta be. And then when the video clears up later, it's Dinesh that's super.

18:56KT: Right?

18:58Oti: Yeah. It's hilarious stuff. Like, you can only get this sort of stuff with Silicon Valley. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Everyone loves the Pakistani Denzel.

19:08KT: He's turning into a Marvel hero. Yeah. He's super ripped. Kumail, not Dinesh. Dinesh would have no chance. Yeah. Yeah. What do you let let's spend a little bit of time for all of our Marvel people because we don't really cover a lot of Marvel on our podcast. Are you does that excite you in any way?

19:29Oti: Yeah. Can no. I don't know. I like Dinesh. I like Kumail. Yep. So hopefully, whatever it is, it'll be, and I'll enjoy him bit because he's quite comedic. Like, he's a funny guy. He's great. And in as much as some of the movies he's been in haven't been great Stuber. You can still take away his performance in it and you appreciate what it is. He just brings humor to everything.

19:54KT: He has a great sensibility about him. I remember in the lead up to this episode, I was watching Google Talks, and I think it was maybe a couple of years ago Mhmm. Where they had the panel of Silicon Valley. And Dinesh Kumail, see what you did? You're welcome. See what you're doing? The CEO, the Pakistani Denzel, he had this really good sensibility about him. So they were sitting there, they were at Google,

20:22KT: and he made a comment that had literally nothing to do with anything. But he was like, this is such a diverse crowd, which was quite a nice thing to note out. And then they had, like, you know, people asking questions. And it got to a point where the host was like, oh, we only have time for one more question. And Kumail's like, no. These people waited. Let's just quickly get them to ask their questions and we can do a like rapid

20:47KT: fire Yeah. Sort of round. So I just wanted to spend a bit of time talking about how much I love Kumail because he he like he didn't need to do that. You know what I mean? Mhmm. He's just great. Like, he just knows how to command a room in a non dickish sort of way.

21:00Oti: Yeah. He does. And it's quite exciting that he's he's got a project. He's got a movie coming out with Issa Rae. Yeah. He does. Lovebirds. Yeah. And I watched the trailer, and I think it's something that needs

21:19KT: Tread carefully because we know how much I love Issa Rae. It leaves a lot to be desired.

21:24Oti: But the fact that it has those two, I think, regardless of what the plot is for the movie, it'll still be interesting just to see them as characters in this.

21:34KT: Wow. You're brave. Well, while we're being brave, how do you feel about Thomas Middleditch?

21:41Oti: I don't know. I just like

21:43KT: he just became really annoying. I feel like there are times I'm talking about him as an actor. I'm not even talking about Richard. I feel like there are times where I really enjoy Thomas Middleditch, but then I also feel like there are times where I'm like, okay. Can we just talk normally for a second? Like, can we just have a normal conversation?

22:04Oti: I like him. I think we're watching Zombieland: Double Tap.

22:04KT: Oh, well, that was great. He made the movie for me. He he his scenes were like yeah. Like, those were those were the funniest moments we had in the movie.

22:04Oti: Yeah. But even when we try and watch interviews, you don't care to see him. So I don't know why you're pretending right now.

22:04KT: No. I'm just saying, like, I don't mind him I don't mind him as as as an actor. And the fact that I've seen him in cameos here and there,

22:34KT: the fact that he was in Zombieland and one of the only things we really loved it was his scenes. So that tells you everything you need to know.

22:34Oti: Well, I think that's enough for reality.

22:45KT: Let's get back into the show. The next person that I wanna cover, I guess you could say there are more main characters ahead of Jared but I definitely wanna touch on Jared.

22:58Oti: Jared. Gabe. Oh, wow.

23:01KT: It's an Office crossover.

23:03Oti: Yeah. I feel like he just left the office and came to Silicon Valley like peep Yep. Without skipping a beat. He's loyal to Richard to a fault. And I think when he started seeing Richard change just because of Richard's frustrations in getting Pied Piper to actually be of value and worth. It shows you that the things that made Richard Richard started decay started eroding as the seasons went on because we know very well that he could have stayed with with Gavin Belson and at Hulu.

23:03KT: Hooli?

23:03Oti: And Hulu.

23:40KT: Uh-oh.

23:41Oti: Either one, if you wanna sponsor us, please do. And he was like, I left Gavin Belson because I saw something in you and I don't see that anymore. And the fact that they I think maybe it's for comedic effect or whatever, but I think he really got a short end of the stick in this show. His parents didn't really care for him. They gave him up and then went on to have two or three more kids.

24:10KT: Yeah. Do you wanna talk more about his character before diving into that? Because that's quite a big nugget.

24:16Oti: Yeah.

24:18KT: So when we when we see Jared, apparently, name is Donald, but then I think it was Gavin Belson that called him Jared and said, come and correct us. Also, be ready to fight us if you do correct us. He really had a strength in cultivating and also growing the business. Eventually he gets his official title of business development. And that's really what he's good at. He would also be a really good project manager.

24:50KT: I would say. Even though I feel like project manager is a really wanky title, like, people use that shit all the time. You can't do shit without project manager. Even though they couldn't find their ass around the Gantt chart, like, they don't even know what the fuck they're doing. Scrum who? So in regards to Jared's character, he had quite a strength to him. At first, I thought it was the fragmented relationship with Richard that made him leave. But I really do believe that his strength is in cultivating and also building the business.

25:23KT: He's not really he he he doesn't really thrive in stable sort of work environments.

25:29Oti: Yeah. I think he saw Richard he saw that Richard doesn't need him as much. And that's when he saw Gwart, you know, like he she reminded him of Richard.

25:40KT: No. But that's what I'm saying. I feel like he's more of a fixer.

25:43Oti: No. I just think he didn't see any sort of future. Like, he's Richard didn't really need him anymore. He was being excluded from everything and it's just time to move on.

25:52KT: Yeah. But I also feel like his strength was in cultivating business development. Yeah. Yeah. There are some people that are good for the stability of a company but he was good in really getting in the trenches and getting the work done. Yes. He definitely got hurt by Richard but I don't think that was the wholly defining factor as to why he left.

26:13KT: So let's let's go back to the main point. We've said spoilers, but if you haven't watched the last season and you want to catch up, this is a big one. But again, Oti, the big one, in other words, has already mentioned it. They allude to the fact that not only was he an orphan and he was passed around to different foster homes, but we learn in the show his reality. Yeah. Right? A lot of the ad libbing, a lot of the lines of Jared especially in the earlier seasons was Zach Woods just improvising.

26:47KT: A lot of the improvising had to do with orphans. So that kind of formed his storyline. It's I feel disappointed in the way they chose to flesh out, if you wanna call it flesh out, his story. They turned it into a really dark, really sad, very complex sort of subject matter for Jared as a character.

27:14KT: Yet they didn't necessarily give it the room nor was it necessarily the show to be able to explore that. Yeah. So it was kind of tacked on at the end and it's like, do we laugh at this? Actually, no. I love Jared and I'm so sad that this is what is happening to him.

27:14Oti: Yeah. That was shit ass, man.

27:14KT: To find out that he was put up for adoption

27:34KT: in general but also he was put up for adoption just for this might be very derogatory but just for the aesthetics, right? They could have fit another kid in a car, they would have to upgrade a car or whatever the fuck it was so they got rid of the kid, right? But then they also like you said continued to add more kids after that because they thought oh yeah it's alright we can still get a bigger car

27:54Oti: or it was just like what what was the point of that? There was zero zero point in that at all. Like Zach Wood? It did nothing it did nothing for Jared to progress. It's just like Farrah, though, already adding more baggage to a character who's carried the most sort of shit throughout the whole show. Yeah. I just felt it was unnecessary,

28:22Oti: especially towards the end. Give everyone like a you know, it doesn't have to be all happy or whatever. Just do something that makes sense. Like, what the fuck was that? Yeah.

28:32KT: But Zach Woods or Mike Judge, if you ever wanna come to our podcast and clarify, you're most welcome. We won't pay you, but the pleasure will be free gratis. But, yeah, I really don't. I remember us watching that. I'm like, what the fuck is this shit? Yeah. Especially because it didn't really inform anything. I guess all it did for me is give a better understanding of how Jared so freely gives his love and attention.

29:01KT: Because like I said, that's why I think he does so well as business development because he finds these diamonds in the rough whether it be in the Richard variety or the Gwart variety and he nurtures them into a point of stability, into a point of succession. Yeah. Right? And that's the reason why I wanted to allude to that because I really feel like that helps me understand how his skills are bolstered in his life experiences. So it's nice we can have like this meaty sort of conversation but it also didn't get explored.

29:39KT: Yeah. So it's like what's the point? Yeah. For sure. It's like a random stranger coming and telling their life story to you. Like, like, you're getting off the bus on the next stop. Like, what do you want me to do with that?

29:54Oti: A hug would be nice.

29:54KT: You're going around hugging strangers on the bus?

29:54Oti: Oy, cool. A hug is free, mate.

30:01KT: Yeah. But with no clothes on, that's a problem.

30:05Oti: Who's naked in the bus?

30:08KT: I don't know. You just talked about dick to floor ratio with your workmates. So who am I to stand in the way of a wasted erection?

30:16Oti: Yeah.

30:17KT: True. Speaking of wasted erections, let's go to the next character, Monica.

30:23Oti: Oh, wow.

30:26KT: You're welcome.

30:27Oti: What a segue, babe. The queen of segues,

30:30KT: if you're nasty. I didn't realize this at the time, but apparently, the show got some flack in regards to its lack of representation in regards to women. Oh. Yeah. I I didn't really think it was a thing, but when you think back to most recent seasons, they do try and incorporate Monica quite a lot and have her interactions be a bit more prominent and more meaningful. But let let's talk about Monica as a character.

31:01Oti: I love Monica. Like, I think those I'm glad they didn't go down the love route with Richard.

31:09KT: Or Jian-Yang. You never kiss me on the mouth?

31:12Oti: You never kiss me on the That's That's hilarious. Yes. Why would I help you? You never kiss What me on what a reason. Nate. Wow. Next time a coworker's like, why did you do this? You never kiss me on the mouth? Brilliant. Brilliant. But I love I love Monica. Like, she's I think, you know, she's she's fought so hard to be where she is. Yes. I agree. And and that shows in her interactions with people and how she deal how she carries herself.

31:52Oti: So I'm not gonna you know, yes, maybe she could have been in more. I think that she was there sufficiently. She was a big part of Pied Piper. I think they weaved the story of Monica and Laurie quite well in this. So maybe there could have been more females in it, but I think Monica held held it down.

32:11KT: Yeah. And I agree with you. She was very ambitious. She was like a shark. Like, she knew what she wanted and she went for it. Right? And she also took risks. Oh, yeah. Because that that alludes to your success in this industry. You need to be able to take risks and you need to be able to back people without any sort of media buzz because once someone gets media buzz, it's already too late to back them. Right? So she really invested in Richard because he was smart. Right?

32:46KT: He was rough around the edges but Monica was that business face for a lot of it. Right? And she had to clean up a lot of the messes. Like not Silicon Valley. Pied Piper couldn't be the Pied Piper that it was at the end of this series if it were not for Monica.

33:03Oti: Agreed.

33:04KT: Yes. You have Guilfoyle. Yes. You have Dinesh. But to in order to live in the business world and play with the big boys, you kinda need to stroke their game. Yeah. Yeah. Right? She she was there to give Richard advice on pretty much everything.

33:20Oti: She got Richard, you know, like, into in with Laurie, I think, as well.

33:23KT: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like She stuck her neck out, and that actually came to her demise in one of the mid seasons.

33:23Oti: Exactly. Like, she

33:35Oti: she was even downgraded and went to her office. Her desk was next to a men's loo Yeah. You know, just because of rigid. But, you know, I I love Monica. I think she's one of the most solid characters in this hands down.

33:50KT: I think she was a solid character, but I didn't even think about how she doesn't really cultivate relationships with women until, like, until it was pointed out by the show. Yeah. So pat yourself on the back, stroke your own dick because that was quite nice. They didn't have to do it. And I guess I wasn't really looking for that. I'm not always automatically being like, I'm pulling my labia up. Where's the women? You know what I mean? Like,

34:19KT: that was my vagina talking.

34:21Oti: Why does it sound so masculine, mate?

34:21KT: Because it's Dinesh in there. And it needs to be soft tummy. It's the tongue in Denzel inside of my pussy.

34:33KT: Pussy sounds better than vagina. Nah, give me a hold cold vagina any day, mate. You really had to work up to that word though. That doesn't fit in. Put some extra words just to buffer it. But I I thought it was quite interesting. I think her name was Priyanka. I do apologize. Come and fight me. I spent too much time watching compilations of Gavin Belson so come and fight me. I'm pretty sure her name was Priyanka but she already had her own like, you know, coding with girls, with women like,

35:09KT: you know, women in technology. She already was savvy with all of that and she was involved grassroots. Right? So Monica was definitely threatened by that. Right? And it was nice to see that because a lot of the time, yes, she may second guess herself but she knew where she was going. Yeah. And she she had control over most situations. But when it came to Priyanka and she realized, oh, fuck. Maybe I'm not for the women. Maybe I am just for myself. It it created a conflict within her, which I thought was quite interesting

35:43KT: to see. But she yeah. She was a great character. I I thought that was quite nice. Another fun call out, which was one of the pretty much in the last season of the show is when they had the HR representative talk about the approval ratings. And then you had Monica and Guilfoyle like fighting with each other about it. Yeah.

36:06Oti: That was hilarious.

36:07KT: Yeah. And then you see like maybe their friendship sort of develop or at least their understanding of each other. Yeah. Develop.

36:16Oti: I don't know. Has your work ever tried to do that sort of HR ranking stuff?

36:22KT: They have like three sixty interviews where you get other people in your team.

36:25Oti: But do you get to see how how you rank in different facets of?

36:25KT: Oh, no. Never to that level.

36:25Oti: Oh, yeah. That that would that would cause some chaos in the office. Oh, it's so weird. Well, for me, I wouldn't give a shit, but then again.

36:42KT: Watch out for my screenplay, Scarlet Oti.

36:45Oti: Uh-huh.

36:48KT: No. Never officially. Maybe because we couldn't officially pay for the programs.

36:53Oti: Yeah. That explains a lot. You get the free trial, then after two weeks, it's gone, mate. It's like I've learned all I need to. I

37:02Oti: have mastered self enlightenment. I don't need anything else.

37:06KT: Mhmm. Speaking of mastering self enlightenment and all of that faux sort of meditation, let's move on to Gavin Belson.

37:16Oti: Oh, wow. I loved Gavin Belson from the start to it. Fucking love. Like, he's just himself. Like, he just he just you gotta get you know what you're gonna get from Gavin, and he delivers it to him. There's some surprises he does there. Like, there's some smart things he would do that you wouldn't really expect from him. No. But it was always to feed his own self interest. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Self interest above all. Like, even with the Tethics. Tethics.

37:46KT: Yeah. Where Richard wanted to expose him, he said, fine. Expose me because he he had owned Pied Piper at the time Yeah. Which means, you know, you're pretty much destroying your own camps by trying to destroy Gavin Belson. So he's like, feel free. Go for it.

38:02Oti: He's amazing. I love his animal presentations

38:08KT: Mhmm.

38:09Oti: Even though they rile the board every single time. But at the end of the day, he delivers

38:14KT: or he used to deliver up until he didn't. And after Nucleus got presented, he's like, I've got a question. This is terrible.

38:23Oti: Or how he didn't see his signature being a dick on the media devices that he created.

38:27KT: Sometimes you're just literally up your own ass. Like, you just you just don't see it. But there was no pretension about him. I know I say that a lot. I fucking love shitty characters. As long as that they don't think that they're the best and they realize that they're shitty people, I'm fine. I'm absolutely fine with it. There was a lot of tit for tat. There was a lot of push and pull in regards to him and Richard.

38:55KT: It was like, okay, alright. How volatile is this tech, you know, sort of industry? I get it. But anytime this man was on the screen, I was all in. Yeah.

39:05Oti: He really did command the screen. Like, he any scene you had Gavin in it, like, just know what you gotta get and you'd be laughing your pants off every single time.

39:18KT: Yeah. Even when he had when he was a hologram, when he was talking to Big Head and Big Head's like, am I a hologram? And he's like, what? No. Because you're not a hologram. And how he pretty much the the hologram cut out. So then they were using Skype and they were saying that the audio still works. And Gavin Belson is like, well, fuck yeah. Audio worked a hundred years ago. Oh, I love him. Yeah. I wouldn't wanna work with him, but he's fucking great. Yeah. I wouldn't want him as a boss. I would

39:55KT: rather be like the shaman or whatever that meditation man was or Hoover. Yeah. But Hoover actually did work. I don't wanna be Hoover. Yeah. Plus he really did care about Gavin. The other one was just leaching off him. Right? Yeah. Remember when they were supposed to relocate for tax purposes?

40:18Oti: And he and he suggested that these two go up in his stead and they're like, oh, okay. Yeah. We're not doing that. Yeah. No.

40:26KT: Let's talk about plot device. Oh, sorry. Big Head. Yeah. He's just a major plot device. He literally only showed up whenever they needed to move the story along. Yep. You're like, what? Okay. My dad will write a check. What? Okay. I'm the professor. Like, I Oh, what do you mean we need to write the SSH key on this?

40:49Oti: Oh, Big Head. He he has photographic memory all of a sudden. Yeah. He will he will say the whole shit out.

40:59KT: Far out. He was very lovable, though. Any any misgivings he had was, you know, out of his own lack of I don't think he was dumb. I just think he didn't care. Yeah. He just didn't care about shit.

41:16Oti: Clearly, he's He smart went in with Erlich as well. Like, he just signed his name to anything, really. Yeah. He lost a lot of money. And then at the end of it, he still didn't care. But, again, he was just merely as a plot device. Oh, yes. As a way to move to either save Richard or yeah. Actually, yeah, just to save Richard. Yeah. Because Richard was the fuck it. Like, when they had to bring the servers into is it was it Stanford?

41:50Oti: Because he he was a lecturer in a uni. They had to use, you know, pull their servers there and you know what? Big Head has a way for us to do that. So it's just He was always around. He was always around. But he he he wasn't malicious. He wasn't hurting anyone.

42:07KT: And it was nice to see him whenever we got to see him. Thought it was thought it was quite nice that at the end of the series, it was pointed out to him that maybe he was named Big Head because of his last name, Bighetti. Because he doesn't really have a big head, does he? No. If anything, they should have called him Big Gulp. Big Gulp? It says big ass fucking drinks that the Americans drink.

42:34Oti: I thought you saw him suck something. I was like, what? Is this not your niche? Not me. But he's you know, I really wondered about his usefulness up until I think the last season where they just painted him as this sort of, you know, smart photographic memory kind of person and he'd rescue Pied Piper.

43:00KT: Let's talk about the Erlich in the room, the TJ Miller of it all. Oh my god. You know, we we might become best friends with TJ Miller, but for now, let's be honest. Who told him that that this would be a good idea?

43:18Oti: Emoji movie, mate.

43:21KT: Yeah. Right?

43:22Oti: Man, sometimes people drink their own Kool Aid, mate. Just ridiculous.

43:28KT: Like, don't get big for your own britches. And that's your phrase or mine for free. I don't even think I've seen him in anything other than that. Deadpool. He was in Deadpool. He's straight in his hair. Cool. Cool, guys. Super cool, guys. He plays a role and he plays it well. Whether he wants to explore different sort of character roles,

43:54KT: we are yet to see that. Yeah. Hopefully, all works for him. Because he should've fucking stayed on the show if he was just gonna play the same sort of characters. He should've. He didn't need to fucking quit to do emoji movie.

44:05Oti: And Deadpool. That came later. His sole reason was emoji movie. He was like, mate, I'm big time here. Fucking Kumail had a had to write his own fucking movie, and he still was part of the cast. You didn't see him zip it up and go. And now he's like a Marvel daddy.

44:26KT: Yeah. But let's let's talk about Erlich. Let's talk about Erlich as a character. I feel like he was technical enough in order to exist in the Silicon Valley world, but he wasn't

44:26Oti: Just nearly barely.

44:26KT: He wasn't nearly as proficient as Richard, for example. So Erlich kind of served us engineering. Yeah. Because he he could identify the hot dogs.

44:54Oti: Dick, not dick.

44:57KT: And the octopus. The octopus and it was just for recipes. Yeah. So good. But in regards to Erlich's character, he wasn't necessarily the most technical. So he was kind of our world in Silicon Valley. So, you know, whenever he was in the scene, it needed to be explained to him. So we got a better understanding of tech and how that world sort of works. Right? So it kind of made sense that as Erlich left, Monica became more prominent in the show because

45:33KT: she became our step into the Silicon Valley world. Things were explained to her. Right? At some point, Jared needed to be explained stuff, but he picked it up quite quickly. Right? Because especially when there's a subject matter that not everyone can resonate with, it's always nice to be able to have that explained in a way that makes sense in In some the their months' times, yeah? Yeah. So I don't know If I was to sum up my feelings for Erlich, it would be pity. Yeah. He was always looking for the next, like, big thing and trying to latch himself onto it.

46:08Oti: Well, he created something. He made he made enough money to make his incubator and then he just stopped trying to be anything more. Now he all he had to do was bring in talented people and then see whatever works and he gets part of the money whatever they get. Because he was quite he was quite early to the game even the fact that he got a house.

46:31KT: So I think he always felt like he needed to measure himself against a successful Pied Piper or even the demise of Pied Piper.

46:43Oti: Yeah. I was kind of shocked. I thought the last season kind of Easter egging us in terms of them bringing Erlich back and it just didn't happen, which I'm happy to see. Like, you fucked off, fuck off and all. Stay far. I really didn't think he was going to come back. I thought he'd come back for the last hurrah.

47:05KT: Well, he didn't. He didn't. And we're all the better for it. Him and him and Jian-Yang was like my favorite moments of the show. Like Jian-Yang would like be calling from the other side and be like, Eric, you see your mom? And then you also had Jian-Yang when he made fish and he left the fish in the sink. And Erlich is like, did you did you leave this in the sink? He said, yes. I eat fish. And the recycling,

47:43KT: oh, I could spend all day talking about Erlich and also Jian-Yang and the way he just assumed Erlich's identity as well. I don't know. I just really enjoyed their sort of interchange with the show. So let's naturally transition to Jian-Yang Yep. Played by Jimmy O. Yang. Listen to our Master of None episode. Go and watch Master of None and also listen to our episode. But we do talk about well, I I gave a shout out to Jimmy O. Yang in that episode because we're exploring the theme of,

48:18KT: you know, being a person of color and choosing whether to use an accent or not. And I gave accolades and I gave praise to Jimmy O. Yang. What do you what did you think about Jian-Yang and using that sort of accent and not having a normal American accent?

48:35Oti: I think it was more to do with because he was just fresh from, you know? Yeah. So it was kind of like to paint that sort of person in Silicon Valley trying to make it and the kind of the kind of hurdles they'd have to cross in terms of trying to communicate or trying and inter interact with the other people in the room. So I think it was okay. I don't have any qualms with that sort of acting. And if it's done properly, then it doesn't come off as some sort of

48:35KT: Jarring?

48:35Oti: Yeah.

49:10Oti: But, yeah, I was pretty much okay with it. You?

49:10KT: But also being in an I in IT,

49:17KT: it's not an inaccurate representation of who is in IT. You know what I It's not like a Breakfast at Tiffany's caricature of an Asian person.

49:30Oti: No.

49:31KT: Right? Because I I don't think it was Silicon Valley but we were watching something and there was just a room full of white people and I'm like, this is not a developer's room. Is not like, come on. Let let's be real.

49:47Oti: I'm going to an IT company here in Sydney mate, and just see what's going on.

49:52KT: Why are you laughing? You're one of them. Hey. Diversity cuts both ways, my love.

50:03Oti: Mate. What do you mean? I'm doing a podcast. I'm a I'm a developer now.

50:11KT: What do we always say, Oti? Self awareness

50:11Oti: Is key.

50:11KT: Is key. K? Get it together. Yep. But Jian-Yang was smart, know, aside from the accent, aside from all of the fun little tirades he has with Erlich, like he is smart even though he just called it not pied pied but he just

50:35Oti: but, you know, there are parasites everywhere. Yeah. In fact, the sooner you launch a product out there, the minute it know, you'll get counterfeits of it pretty much quickly.

50:45KT: Yes. And if you hear a podcast that came out after us and they sound better, just remember, starting the podcast first is most admirable. Yeah. Unless Halle Berry and Colin Firth start a podcast I am not threatened at all because once they start a podcast I'm packing up I'm going home. Oh touch wood bake.

51:08Oti: Touching you. You wanna develop an app? Oh yeah. OTs would? OTs would? What would you do?

51:20KT: Touch your wood.

51:21Oti: Yeah and what else? What kind of actions?

51:25KT: Let's let's let's just say, let's have a Romulus Succession function. Listen to our Succession episode and definitely watch the show. Going back to the show that we are covering Silicon Valley, yeah, I just wanted to give accolades to Jian-Yang because he was smart. It was fun also having the little fridge battle with Jian-Yang and also Guilfoyle, but then he ended up hacking into all of the fridges. Yeah. As well putting dicks everywhere. It was fun and and Guilfoyle does definitely

52:00KT: have fun despite all of the deadpan sort of expressions that you would get from him. Hail Satan? Let's cover off some other characters that didn't get as much screen time but were just as important. Laurie Bream.

52:14Oti: So Laurie came into the picture replacing Christopher Evan Welch.

52:18KT: That played Peter Gregory, the mentor. Mhmm. Yeah. So

52:23Oti: I think it was I think one of the things that they held dear and close to the show is Richard's relationship with Gregory and what it meant for Richard to actually do this sort of algorithm that would try and have this sort of free internet Mhmm. For everyone. So it's it's I admire that. I respect that. She was very no nonsense.

52:50KT: I think sometimes her scenes were literally, I don't understand human emotion or I don't care about human emotion. And it's like, okay, we get it now. Like, I'm just going to bite Guata artichoke. That sounded very sexual. But you know what I mean? But they didn't overuse her. Otherwise, that would get a point. It would get tedious. Yeah.

53:12Oti: All it all took an artichoke to bring her old operation down. Isn't that how Rome fell? True.

53:18KT: We are a historical podcast. Come and find us, guys.

53:23Oti: Tom is quaking in his boots right now. Hey, we're giving Tom too much spotlight. He's the only person I know who talks about history. So

53:34KT: Like, literally just him by himself. No one knows. He he's the biggest wanker of historical people. Come and fight me, Tom. He won't listen to this episode, so we're fine. Yeah. But Laurie was quite effective and, you know, just like Monica, I think Monica did well to be in her not in her shadow, but, like, be under her wing Yeah. For a couple of years. I feel like Monica really bolstered up her skill in being under tutelage.

54:04Oti: True.

54:05KT: So that was quite nice. Let's get to some other characters I don't wanna talk about that didn't get as much airtime, but just like Gavin Belson, I fucking quaked every time I saw them. Let's start off with Richard's lawyer, and his name is credited as Ron LaFlamme.

54:27Oti: I doubt his skills. Like, is he I don't know. Sometimes it didn't even seem like he was a lawyer.

54:27KT: No. He actually have had very good legal advice.

54:27Oti: That was later in the season. He was just like hippie dippie every other time.

54:27KT: Maybe so.

54:27Oti: I just felt like he was dodged from the get go.

54:27KT: You think so?

54:27Oti: Yeah. I felt that. Like I'm not talking about the old man lawyer. I'm talking about the Yeah. The hippity hip young doobly doo lawyer.

54:54KT: Did you grow with Bill Cosby in the womb? Every black person grew with Bill Cosby in the womb. Here's a life lesson kids. If you don't know what to say, change the subject. I really enjoyed I really enjoyed him as the lawyer. There was even a moment there were many moments, but there was a particular moment where Richard was talking to Gavin

55:18KT: and Gavin was saying, I'm going to bend you over and fuck you so hard. And then you have all of the representatives in Hooli, like, telling him to stop telling him to stop. And and he also says to Richard, are you trying to threaten me? And Richard was like, am I threatening you? Am I threatening you? And Ron, the lawyer, like, passes his notepad being like, no. I

55:42KT: feel like he very he gave very good, like, sound legal advice, but he wasn't your friend. Like, he wasn't going to stop you from doing shit. But once you've done shit and I'm on your retainer and you need to pay me, I will give you advice.

55:42Oti: Well, I guess so. I don't know. He just didn't struck with me, I guess.

55:42KT: He was the one dickhead that I didn't mind having a guitar at all times.

56:07Oti: Or is it like Rich's doctor who told him that he's grown shorter?

56:13KT: Good.

56:14Oti: Actually, that that doctor was hilarious. He kinda he kinda gave me Dr. Spaceman vibes.

56:14KT: Thank you. And what reference is that, Oti?

56:14Oti: Thottie Rock. Or should I call it the Tina facial?

56:26KT: And that is why I spill my seed to this man every day.

56:29Oti: I think it should be the other way around, but, you know, whatever tickles your boat. No. Predestination.

56:37KT: Reverse Primanoxus my love. Yep.

56:40Oti: I think everything can be explained away by just saying predestination that it would be like, oh, okay.

56:40KT: No, that was a very succinct example, thank you very much.

56:40Oti: You're welcome. I wasn't trying to take anything away from you.

56:40KT: Just because you give a 30 Rock reference doesn't mean you're superior. I thought I had bought a yard so I guess I used it all up. In all the right places.

57:02KT: I just wanna give a shout out to the lawyer because I fucking love the lawyer. I think he was great. And, like, any sort of moments was tantalizing and I really love seeing him. Even more so, Oti. I don't want doors like this. I want doors like this. These are billionaire doors, Oti. I fucking love Russ Hanneman. You know there's actual site for RussFest?

57:02Oti: Oh, is there?

57:02KT: Yes. And they actually sell merch for RussFest.

57:34KT: But everything, even the fucking bandanas are sold out.

57:34Oti: Are you the one that told me Tres Comas is actually a tequila drink? Tres Comas is a real tequila drink and you need to stop giving me this hooch.

57:44Oti: Mate, I think mine's missing a comma there somewhere.

57:48KT: He's missing some Hualus.

57:52Oti: Call me reference.

57:55KT: Wow.

57:56Oti: Really? It's a callback. A callback is a callback is a callback, mate.

58:02KT: Suppose. Speaking of Russ, I fucking love him.

58:08Oti: He is one of my favorite characters of all time. Yeah. You giggled a lot when he came into the screen. Like, you super loved him.

58:16KT: I super loved. Yes. I super loved, super amazing. And even when he's talking to Richard about, like, the doors, he, like, drives off and he's like, fuck you, Richard. And it plays that song, come, my lady. Come come, my lady. Everything about that scene. And he drives off and he comes back around and he's like, fuck you in the ass. He drives off everything about Russ is amazing. You could even call him a plot device as well because

58:46KT: he was the daddy that saved the day Yeah. For Richard in many, many cases. Yeah. Russ first and actually being an investor. So No. And also blackmailing the judge. Yeah. As well. Yeah. So Him and Big Head. Yeah. Yep. Him and Big Head. But I would definitely wanna spend time with Russ. How about during RussFest where he kept changing the outfits?

59:09Oti: I think there was one that was a bit Too offensive. Too offensive. I wish they would have just shown that.

59:18KT: Yeah. But it was good. Oh, I fucking love Russ. He was just he was great. And I think it was the finale of either the first or second season where everything started crashing because he had put he had put something down and it turned into backstrokes. Yeah. So that was quite fun as well. Oh, Russ is that I was gonna say uncle but it sounds perverted. But like Russ is that guy. You just want him around. It just makes everything easier.

59:48Oti: Oh, yeah. For sure.

59:50KT: What delightful technological adventure we just had Oti. If we were going to talk about not necessarily genres, if we're going to talk about topics, think we talked about tech a lot. Yeah. So Office Space, we've got Upgrade. We've got quite a lot that we won't get into today. But let's finish off with the finale, the finale of Some the people didn't care for it. Some people didn't get it. So let's let's talk about it. The last episode sees us in the future. So

60:25KT: we kind of see everything coming to a head in the second last episode, but instead of continuing on from that, we see it after. Yeah. They were successful in fucking up. Right?

60:36Oti: So what what did you think about generally about the last episode? I was actually quite content. I think it's one of the one of the finales that I've actually been content with in a long while. Okay. I don't know what people expected from it. I guess they wanted a sort of scenario where Pied Piper was this big ass thing and they're all living it up or they're going with the success, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed seeing everyone that that all gone and to do things separately.

61:07Oti: You know? Big Head and

61:07KT: Except for Guilfoyle and Dinesh. They ended up together.

61:07Oti: Yeah. I don't know why I said Big Head, but Guilfoyle and Dinesh ended up together, which was kind of a given.

61:17KT: They're never going to separate those two. Speak speaking of ending up together, you noticed in this show, it doesn't have any sort of romantic entanglement. And that's why I love it.

61:26Oti: And that's why the fact that they because I was like, don't do Monica and Richard, please. Yeah. And they stayed true to the to the to the script. And I was just happy. Brumas is clouds things and then these are fucking tech people. You don't wanna believe that in fucking relationships. So

61:46KT: Yeah. We we don't want our tech people to be normal functioning people of society. How dare you?

61:52Oti: So yeah. I think I enjoyed it. I don't know why people have qualms.

61:57KT: I think it was I think it was more so that it kind of felt too neatly tied up together, which I I understand. Like, it just seemed like, you know, you have the writer's room. They're all sitting there. They're like, okay. What do we need to do? Dot dot dot dot dot. That's it. It kind of lost because every season finale of Silicon Valley had some sort of surprise reveal Yeah. Or some sort of shock factor. Right?

62:26KT: This didn't really have that. Yeah. Because it's closing its doors. Like, I feel like I literally had to put a cardigan on and settle myself in for a farewell.

62:37Oti: I don't know. I I don't get that. Like, I was super content just seeing how they all ended up. And I think that's what we would have wanted to know in the first place. Like, we've seen them struggle. The struggle is well and truly been fought. Then what? Yeah. What what next? What's what's their five, ten year long term future looking like?

62:59KT: Yeah. But the the show many times, even like Dick to Floor Ratio. Right? There were many times that this show just surprised us, and, you know, we all pleasantly most welcome. Right?

63:11Oti: I think people are just expecting the sort of Pied Piper had turned out into some sort of Google kind of

63:16KT: I wasn't expecting that. I was just expecting from a writer's point of view that we got something more tantalizing.

63:23Oti: Tantalizing I was, though. Like, I I don't know. From the fact that we've sat through six seasons, they dropped the ball here towards the kind of, you know I don't know. Like, I felt like it went a season too long, but whatever. I did not expect anything more than what they gave us at the end, and I kind of enjoyed it. I was

63:23KT: Yeah. You're you're okay to enjoy it, but you're also okay to acknowledge that you want more from it.

63:23Oti: I really didn't want more. Like, that's the meaning of content. Like, I'm just like, I was satisfied with it.

63:55KT: No. It's like, I'm content with you, but I would like more money. Thank you. Debate that.

64:07Oti: Oh, mate.

64:09KT: In Oti, we rust.

64:12Oti: That's why you have the three comma club mate.

64:15KT: How many Erlichs does it take to get Oti?

64:20Oti: Not even one mate. But yeah, corn squashed meat. And yet not.

64:30KT: Let's finish it up in a segment we call For Your Reference. Ready.

64:36Oti: I'm gonna reference an Australian show called Utopia.

64:40KT: Oh,

64:41Oti: bloody ripper, mate. Bloody ripper. If you want to see your day to day sort of work environment, then Silicon Valley, of course, took us there.

64:53KT: But Utopia, mate, Utopia crushed it as well. And if you if you've ever worked for government, you will definitely resonate with Utopia.

65:01Oti: Yes. It'll be one of those shows you'll laugh, but you won't be laughing just because it's funny. You'll be laughing at yourself because fuck your life.

65:11KT: Yeah. Like, stop sending emails and cc ing everyone, Karen.

65:17Oti: Yep. KT.

65:19KT: Damn, dog. Mhmm. Stop spilling your seed in the office, Oti. How will I survive? I don't know what voodoo momma juju you were taught growing up. I will reference dare I, I dare, Office Space.

65:19Oti: Yeah. Well, it has your beloved Jennifer Aniston.

65:19KT: Woo hoo. So She won a song, didn't she? Yes. She did. But she's in all the right places. So watch Office Space and also listen to our Office Space episode. You know who I would love to have in the office?

65:56Oti: All of these fucking listeners.

65:58KT: Oh, we would yep. Because we love you guys. We'll even have cake every month.

66:04Oti: Not sure about that, but

66:06KT: My fat ass is getting cake every month whether you deliver it or not.

66:11Oti: Your workplace used to have cake every fucking week. So every month is like a it's nothing for you.

66:17KT: Yes. And now you see my ass before I even walk around the corner. Speaking of my ass, if you wanna come and find us on Twitter and Instagram, we are For Your Ref Pod. If you wanna write us an email, it's hello@fyrpodcast.com. And we love you guys so much. If you wanna support us a bit further, we're also on Patreon. We need to do another Korean joint. We do.

66:47Oti: It's a sparkly joint. Who says joint anymore? You need to go. Unless you're Spike Lee, you're not allowed.

66:56KT: Well, the fact that you, like, just ushered in Korean and then we went on to Spike Lee, it's For Your Reference, guys. Are you still listening? No. Why? Why? Why be right there in that sentence? Once you hear the end of the music, why are you still listening?

67:10Oti: This is on you, motherfuckers.

67:11KT: I think we'll cover Kingdom as our next Korean.

67:14Oti: We will. Joint. Yeah. It's amazing. So strap in. Or strap on.

67:20KT: So I'm fucking getting into it. Yeehaw. Hot doggy. See you. Bye.