Naruto – Can’t Itachi This

Full transcript of Naruto – Can’t Itachi This.

0:00KT: Hey, guys. It's another week of For Your Reference, and we're going to Your Phrase or Mine. And Oti is our wise sage today.

0:11Oti: So I've got a Japanese proverb for you today.

0:11KT: Oh,

0:15KT: nani?

0:16Oti: Yeah. So it goes like this. Pulling water to my own rice paddy.

0:24KT: If you want something in life, you need to work hard for it. No.

0:29Oti: It means doing or saying things for one's own benefit.

0:33KT: No. I was so confident too.

0:39Oti: Yeah. You always are. I didn't stutter.

0:44KT: Oh, man. Well, today's a very exciting episode, so let's just get straight into it. It's For Your Reference, however you would say that in Japanese. You've got your host, KT.

0:44Oti: And Oti.

0:44KT: And you guys, it's our twentieth episode.

0:44Oti: It sure is.

0:44KT: Thank you for joining us on this milestone. If you followed us along the way or if this is your first time listening, thank you so much. We are so grateful.

0:44Oti: We are.

0:44KT: And we have gotten so far. Do you think we will get this far?

1:47Oti: Probably not.

1:48KT: Right? And we've made, like like the show that we're going to cover today, we've made so many friends along the way and so many listeners along the way. It's such a good time. So let's just get straight into it. It's quite an expansive world, and we definitely won't be able to cover everything, but we're going to damn well try because that's what we do around here. Gotta try. Today, we are covering Naruto and also Naruto Shippuden. Or

2:19Oti: like we've heard people say, Naruto.

2:22KT: Naruto. Michael B Jordan, we're looking at you. Come and join us. Or as Oti likes to call you, b c Jordan or everything except for Michael B Jordan.

2:33Oti: Yeah. He likes it better.

2:35KT: If you're nasty. Shout outs to you. You get a shout out before we even get to the show. So this was based on a manga. I'm not sure how how big our fans are or our listeners are on manga, but it was adapted into an anime that aired in 2002 created by Masashi Kishimoto. Naruto is one of those animes that almost everyone has watched. Right? Yep. Yeah. And I'm not sure if anyone knows because we're super experts in Japanese. Naruto actually means spoilers in Japanese. So be aware.

3:15KT: It's been around for a while. So if you haven't watched it and you haven't come across spoilers and you don't wanna be spoiled, you know, welcome yourself to the rest of our catalog, but we're definitely going to get into as much detail as possible today. I'm just going to talk about the cast, but just the main cast just so we've got some flavorings there. Shout out to people that listen to subs and dubs, but I'm just going to cover the cover the Japanese voice actors in this section. So we have

3:50KT: should I do last name and first name? Because that's more authentic. Yep. We have Uzumaki Naruto played by Takeuchi Junko. Mhmm. This is going to be a problem. I'm so sorry, guys. If you don't wanna lose respect for me, maybe fast forward a minute or two. We also have Uchiha Sasuke played by Sugiyama Noriaki. We have Haruno Sakura, who's played by Nakamura Chie. And then we have my man, Hatake Kakashi, played by Inoue Kazuhiko. Nice. Right? Yeah. Get excited, guys. Get a snack.

4:30KT: Get a bento box. Get some sake because we're going to have a good time. Yep. And some ramen as well. Oh, some Ichiraku ramen. We need to start our Patreon so people can pay for us to go to the Naruto Theme Park. Oh, yeah. Right? Who wouldn't wanna see a KT Oti adventure there? We'll probably get stuck in the jungle gym. Yeah. Right? You know, if that's an option for us, we would love to know that. But let's get into it. Naruto has around 200 episodes, and Shippuden has around 500 episodes.

5:11KT: So that's a lot of hours. It's a lot of hours. But I do think it's worth spending some time talking about the initial Naruto series because it's so perfect and it's so delicate as well.

5:11Oti: It

5:24Oti: really is. And I think a lot of an anime is when you watch them, if the first episode doesn't really resonate with you and if you're not that patient Yeah. You're you're most likely to just drop out. For Naruto, bloody hell. The first episode was so sad to see a kid that's struggling through life and it's it has such heartwarming moments and you're really rooting for him from the get go. Mhmm. And there's this vast you know, you just imagine what possibilities there are for Naruto, and you really

6:00Oti: just want to see the journey.

6:00KT: I guess it could go either way. Right? Because if anyone else was in Naruto's position, they probably would have went on a rampage. Yeah. But he chose to see the brightness in everything. Yeah. Which I think was quite a nice lesson to learn. It is.

6:18Oti: It really is. And the conditions that surround him being that are so ridiculous, and I'm sure we'll cover it later in the episode. For him to turn out how he turned out in Shippuden, it's just down to him being resilient and consistent and always looking for the silver lining. Exactly.

6:39KT: And if you kind of contrast it, Naruto and Sasuke both had very devastating childhoods, but they both turned out so different,

6:48Oti: so vastly different. They sure did. And one of the most amazing things about Naruto is with every encounter he makes,

6:55Oti: it's damn well sure to leave a mark.

6:55KT: He's like a mystical fairy because every life he touches is changed for the better. For sure. And once we when we start going through the characters, we'll start to see how many lives he impacted. But as a child, he was on his own. And, you know, in the even in the first episode, you see that he causes trouble, but he does it for attention. Yep. Right? Yep. And you start to see that the kids are treating him differently

7:22KT: because the parents are treating Naruto differently. Parents are awful, man. Oh, yeah. Bloody hell. Like, peep people aren't born evil. People aren't born to be dicks.

7:33Oti: Your parent if you're a dick, your parent did that to you, mate. Right?

7:38KT: And I've said this so many times, maybe not on the podcast, but no one can fuck you up more than your parents. And that is gospel truth. And we do acknowledge that Naruto is age appropriate, but this episode won't be, by the way. Definitely won't be. Because I think even in the first episode, it surrounded quite a lot as well because that's when he stole the forbidden jutsu. Mhmm. Isn't it? Yeah. Wow. So much progression in one episode. It is. And he he he's a quick learner. He's street smart. Oh, yeah.

8:15KT: He's not many other smart, but he's definitely street smart. He's street smart. He's not your Sakura intelligent

8:20KT: smart or even Shikamaru who's just a genius. Yes, please.

8:20Oti: Oh, we we stan a good Shikamaru, man.

8:20KT: Yes, queen.

8:30KT: But wow. We I think throughout the episode, we will talk about the Naruto, Sasuke sort of dynamic that they had. But one of the most interesting things that I found and even we both found watching the series was Sasuke kind of didn't really underestimate Naruto, but he kind of just didn't really see him as a viable competition. I don't acknowledge you. Exactly. Right? That's my line. But the the moment that Naruto started to become stronger, there was an inkling in Naruto where he started to become stronger.

9:11KT: That's when Sasuke started to get pissed off because it's how can this guy be super goofy and stupid, but he started to become stronger than me at a pace that I can't even regulate?

9:22Oti: Yeah. Especially when they fight,

9:25Oti: the first fight.

9:25KT: Which time? I was gonna say.

9:28Oti: The first fight. And Sasuke had just launched Chidori. Yeah. And Naruto had his Rasengan. Yeah. So both of them going at each other with Sasuke hopefully trying to kill Naruto because he wasn't pulling back. Yeah. And if it wasn't for Sakura. These are the top of hospital. Not Sakura. Kakashi. Kakashi. If it wasn't for Kakashi to intervene be fair, I don't like Sakura, but she did stand in between them. So give her some point. She was on the ground or in the air. She did shit all.

9:57KT: Hey. I tried. Shannaro. I tried. Okay? And this is a recurring dynamic that we see between Sasuke and Naruto because Naruto is just there to be a friend. But because Sasuke has that bravado about him, he's not allowing it to be a friendly tiff. You know? He's taking it as in, no. I'm a Uchiha because there is that superiority complex. Right? Yep. He's like, how dare you even, like, come close to trying to fight me? Because even leading up to then, we had the when they were escorting

10:39KT: one of the bridge builders back. I think it was the Land of the Hidden Mist with Haku and Kisame. Yep. They were leading up to in that whole sort of arc, Sasuke was constantly saving Naruto.

10:52KT: Yeah. Right? Yep. And I think he just couldn't handle it because as as much as he played it cool, he was that cool sort of character, right, in an anime. As much as he tried to play it cool, he relied on the fact that he was the strongest. He started to get bored because he was the strongest in his class, but I think it kind of knocked him off kilter more than he expected. Yeah. And and the interesting thing is once they started fighting Haku,

11:19Oti: he quickly realized just how strong Naruto is. Oh, yeah. Once Naruto joined the battle, of course. Yeah.

11:25KT: When Sasuke is on the floor and Sakura is just running to him and Naruto is still alive and can be helped. Yep.

11:34Oti: That's that's ridiculous. But that's when he truly sees Naruto's power when he transforms into all the nine tails chakra starts leaking out. Yeah. And he says, is that Naruto? Jesus. Like, it's you could tell from then on, he was like, okay. He is serious competition.

11:52KT: And I think you said it as well. When he chose to leave to go to Orochimaru,

11:58Oti: there was no other option. For Sasuke to get as strong or stronger than Naruto, he actually had to leave. He did. He would never get as strong No. If he'd stayed. No. Because Kakashi can only do so much. And do know my feelings about Kakashi?

12:12KT: How dare you? Let's let's let's leave Kakashi for a second. Let's let the panties breathe before we drown a toddler in there. What? What? Outro reference, guys. But, wow, like, Sasuke and Naruto, it was a classic combination that those two had. And it wasn't until Boruto, which we're not going to cover today, but it wasn't until Boruto that they actually had some sort of understanding.

12:45Oti: Well, we'll see that they've actually

12:48KT: are well, at the end of Shippuden, they come to an understanding of sorts. Yeah. But they were still trying to figure out what that meant. What that means in the present Boruto day is they actually can't exist in the same village together. No. That's more due to what Sasuke did in the village. Yeah. I know that. But what I'm saying is it it couldn't be like, you know, Shikamaru used to be. Yeah. Like Shikamaru and Naruto have such a close sort of bond. And he he had a bond with everyone, and I really hope we can cover at least the Konoha

13:20KT: Chunin at the time. Right? I definitely wanna cover that core sort of, like, characters because it's it's so pivotal. We're probably going to cover, you know, starting them off and then a little bit of Shippuden because of how much we need to cover today, but definitely need to go through there. We might as well mention Sakura. Sakura was the winner. Naruto.

13:43Oti: That's pretty much it. She just existed there to swoon over Sasuke. I was hoping she would be like a Hermione,

13:50KT: not the present day Hermione that JK Rowling keeps changing. But you know how Hermione yes. She was a girl, but she held her own. Yeah. Sakura wasn't like that. Yeah. She wasn't. She wasn't really that smart either. The only compliment was that she could harness her chakra. So well. Yeah. Yeah. But she kept getting like, even in the first, like, instances of Naruto, she kept getting tricked by the genjutsu. And I'm like, really?

14:19Oti: Really? You're still falling for that? Yeah. But I think they didn't pay too much attention to Sakura and what she could be capable of until much later in Shippuden. Yeah. We know that she wants to get stronger. She always feels like a burden or like a ball and chains. Didn't change

14:36Oti: anything. She just said, oh, I'm a burden. No. But at least at least she did realize because unlike other animes that we've watched where something like Rukia who gets rescued every single time in Bleach Yeah. For someone who's supposed to be competent, it was just so frustrating to see. For Sakura, at least that changed. Yes. Albeit

14:56Oti: a bit too late, but she did change.

14:56KT: Yeah. I do appreciate in the earlier episodes her Shannaro. Yes. And her little alter ego alter ego going on. That kind of went away. It kind of bothered me that they puffed her up to be, like, the next Tsunade. That pissed me off because we definitely need to talk about my lady loves Tsunade. But let's let's leave that for now. But they kind of made her like another reference, the Samwell Tarly

15:25KT: of Naruto. She just suddenly became so important. And I'm like, no. You're not.

15:25Oti: She didn't become important once she went under the tutelage of Tsunade.

15:25KT: Yeah. But she isn't, Tsunade.

15:25Oti: She is. Well, she is the closest thing to Tsunade. Let's let's talk about In the Great War, she's the one that's trying to heal people in battle because medical ninjas are that pivotal. So she does take a leaf off Tsunade. And if Tsunade was to die, natural footprint

15:55KT: is the OG, and she she communicated to thousands of people from thousands of miles away. But let's let's leave that for now. Let's finish off squad seven. We'll we'll talk about Sai in a second because he comes a bit later. Let's talk about my main man, Kakashi. Oh, dear. Let's start. Be nice.

16:12Oti: So Kakashi is supposed to be this genius.

16:12KT: He is this genius.

16:12Oti: Fine. He is this genius and he's been excelling since he was a kid. Like, just genuine. He was like super super talented. Yeah. And fast forward into him leading team seven, he gets into battles and he can tell he's he has this intelligence in him. But every single battle, he gets battered and he ends up in hospital.

16:12KT: Every time?

16:12Oti: Every single time. Like, Kakashi?

16:47KT: You're an ass. You're an ass. You know why he goes into hospital? Because he has that pure grit, and he has that passion, and he has that. He is so he is so strong in nature, and he goes pound for pound. What do you think Naruto got that from? Fight with all of your heart and all of your might. Where do you think he got that from? From Kakashi. He got two Sharingans and one got taken away in an instant.

16:47Oti: Hey. He didn't see that coming.

16:47KT: He had two Sharingans.

16:47Oti: Stop it. Far off.

17:22KT: But can we at least agree that Kakashi is one of the most handsome

17:27KT: anime characters ever?

17:27Oti: Yeah. Right? He definitely doesn't have a buck tooth.

17:27KT: I love that episode where they kinda

17:34KT: One of my favorite filler episodes is when well, when Sasuke was still a part of the crew. Sasuke, Naruto, and Sakura were trying to get him to reveal his mask, and they end up doing a task like yard work Yeah. For the baths. And that's one of my favorite filler episodes just trying to because it it literally mirrored us. It got to a point where, like, okay, we get it. Kakashi's the playboy. Let's see what's all up in there. Like,

18:02KT: let's see what's going on.

18:02Oti: Plus, it's one of those

18:02KT: Show me those luscious lips.

18:02Oti: It's one of those happy, feel good episodes before everything went dark. Oh, yeah. Totally. So you once you appreciate you appreciate it at a at a at a at a lower level.

18:02KT: Okay. It's funny. Fine.

18:02Oti: And then once you continue the episode and it becomes really dark and grim, you're like, oh my god. That episode was really good, wasn't it? Yeah. And then they had another filler episode

18:27KT: later on. I think it was definitely Shippuden because it was getting was it close to the wedding? I don't know. He poses like a journalist. Right? Yeah. But at the end of one of the filler episodes, Kakashi is actually back in his house. And he's in his bathroom, and it's getting all steamy. And we see what? His beautiful face. The heavens opened. All of the legs opened. Sploosh Mountain, mate. Oh, wow. Sploosh Mountain. Okay. Kakashi is one of my favorite. How dare you?

18:59KT: How dare you? He's one of the best. He's he's one of the best. And without getting too dark, he had a really sad childhood too. He did. His father committed suicide. Was it Silver Fang? Sorry. Yeah. No. But he chose he chose to save his friends. He did. And And jeopardize the mission. And because of that, he got ashamed. Mhmm.

19:20Oti: And that's what Kakashi was so against because he always followed the book until we saw how he interacted with Obito and how Obito changed his frame of mind because Obito was all about rescuing and doing it for your friend. And sometimes that means more than the mission. Yeah. So once Obito came and changed Kakashi's mindset and gave Kakashi his eye oh my. Like, Kakashi became the lovable character that we see today because it's not always down to the mission. I said lovable, not competent.

19:55KT: Wow. Do you wanna stop? I will turn this Kakashi ship around.

19:55Oti: Became Hokage? Bloody hell.

19:55KT: I don't even know. I I actually wasn't gonna mention that he was Hokage. I was gonna leave that till the end, but there you go.

19:55Oti: I would have given it to Guy, mate.

19:55KT: Might Guy?

19:55Oti: Might Guy.

19:55KT: Everyone has their role to play. And Might Guy played it quite well. Let's act oh, no. Before we go into Might Guy, let's finish off squad seven. We had the addition of Sai and also Yamato.

20:27Oti: Very good, guys.

20:29KT: Good. Very good. Who do you wanna talk about first? Sai. Sai was such a beautiful soul. He was everything Sasuke should have been. Yes. Yeah. And the fun thing about him is he wasn't really raised around and he wasn't really socialized. So he would just say shitty things, especially to Sakura.

20:49Oti: And you know? Yeah. And those were one of the best moments. Yeah. They really were. Yeah. Because he also went through some shit with Danzo. Oh, Jesus Christ. How hateable is Danzo? Bloody hell. Not even now. And his arms? Ew.

21:04KT: Oh, gross. I need a shower. Ew.

21:08Oti: I should get some, like, some cosplay Danzo arms in

21:08KT: Don't you dare.

21:08Oti: And use it like a oh, like a Danzo PJ.

21:08KT: Vomit.

21:08Oti: Just sleep with it and be like, darling, you wanna cuddle?

21:20KT: Okay. Our nonexistent Patreon is closing, so Oti can't bite her. Gross.

21:26Oti: Anyway, Sai

21:26KT: Don't anyway, you did that. Take accountability.

21:26Oti: We would go through Sai's struggle and him trying to figure out exactly what's right. What he's struggling with exactly is what he's been bred or taught to do since he was a kid, and what's right to do now that he's actually a shinobi. It's quite exciting to see, and his storyline is amazing. It's just really touching. And the fact that he keeps on carrying the book with his friends brother.

22:02KT: But he had such a you know, most of these kids struggled through some shit except for Sakura. People had some hard lives.

22:11Oti: Yeah. Sakura was annoying. Remember when when she was talking badly about Naruto Sasuke? Yeah. And Sasuke said, you're annoying. Lucky he home. And Sakura is just doesn't have that She doesn't have that struggle.

22:28KT: But it was he was also saying that Naruto has been alone, and he was kind of projecting his own sort of experience as well. But, yeah, she was spoiled. She didn't she didn't really understand. She didn't care to understand. She was just hot blooded, if you will, and wanted some of that.

22:47Oti: Yeah. She did. She really did want that dick even till the end. Right? Yeah. Just,

22:53KT: of course, we've already said spoilers. Sasuke tried to kill Sakura, and she was still gunning for that dick.

22:53Oti: Well, she did finally became

23:01Oti: his baby mama. So

23:05KT: I think she got what she wanted. Which is its own thing. Right? Yeah. That's that's some weird shit. That's some, like, Netflix podcast turned documentary. I don't don't understand. Let's talk about Yamato. Yamato. So it turns out Yamato is one of the clones Mhmm. From the first Hokage. Yep. And he is one of the Anbu ops.

23:05Oti: Anbu Black Ops.

23:05KT: Yeah. Mhmm. Thank thanks for adding the culture in there.

23:05Oti: You're welcome. If

23:40Oti: I don't bring culture to this episode or to this podcast, what good am I?

23:40KT: Are

23:47KT: you done?

23:47Oti: I'm done.

23:47KT: Okay. I really liked Yamato. He came in quite late, and it is hard to because we're all attached to the characters, especially Kakashi, it's hard to introduce another character and have us attach ourselves or even just tolerate them. I liked Yamato from the get go.

24:08Oti: Yeah. He's he's really talented, and you could see

24:13Oti: you could see the way he interacted with he was not Kakashi for sure.

24:13KT: Okay. You need to stop. We're not gonna be able to get this is Insecure all over again.

24:13Oti: I'm not trying to slam Kakashi here.

24:13KT: Are you sure?

24:13Oti: I'm just saying he was

24:13KT: You're not trying. You're doing it.

24:27Oti: I'm just saying he was more useful to Naruto. Stop. It's still the truth. He he is the one that was supposed to keep Naruto in check just in case. You have Iruka sensei

24:36KT: who was important to Naruto at the start, that nurturing that nurturing sort of sensei he needed. In that first pilot episode, you couldn't have Kakashi or Yamato there. You needed to have Iruka sensei. Mhmm. Which I think Iruka means dolphin. And once I found that out, it was so hard not to notice that he looked like a dolphin. He did. With a scar across And Kakashi means scarecrow, which makes sense Yeah. As well. He needed Iruka sensei in in the first forming

25:06KT: of his identity. He needed Iruka sensei. Then he needed Kakashi to whip him into line. He couldn't continue to be that rowdy little kid that paints all over the Hokages. He couldn't do that anymore. Right? And now he's getting to a point where he needs to succinctly harness Kurama's spirit. Right? The nine tails power. Mhmm. And he needed Yamato. And people needed to give more props to Yamato because he built them houses at the end of the day. Nice houses, mind you. They weren't huts.

25:37KT: Like, he built houses from the ground after a whole day of training with Naruto trying to keep him in place and make sure that he's not a danger to himself or those around him. Yeah. Yamato needed way more credit. Yeah. It's sad that he's he kinda just disappeared off

25:55Oti: Shippuden, and we kinda I don't know. When you're watching Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals. Yamato was there the background. All the time. Yeah.

26:05KT: And if you're listening to this and you haven't ventured into Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals, he needs to do it. Oti was a bit hesitant because it's animated and chibi, so they're all small and cute. But it is everything you need. It is everything you need, especially, you know, even after Shippuden or if you wanna watch it before Shippuden,

26:25Oti: it's a nice picker upper. Yeah. Especially if you want to find Orochimaru likable.

26:31KT: Yes. Yes. I was living for Orochimaru

26:35Oti: Yeah. Yeah. In Rock Lee's and Kabuto. Right? Yeah.

26:40KT: But I fucking hated Kabuto through the actual series. Yeah. Kabuto is one hateable guy. Super hateable. Like, more hateable than Orochimaru because Orochimaru was kind of understandable, but we'll we'll come to him in a second. So yeah. So you have squad seven with different variables, but that's squad seven there. Let let's do let's do Might Guy. Yep. Might Guy. And I I know we've mentioned it in the bonus anime episode, but my dream is to go to Comic Con with Oti, and I will be Rock Lee, and Oti will be Guy Sensei.

27:17Oti: It's not gonna happen.

27:19KT: I'm not asking you to be Kakashi.

27:19Oti: I'd rather go as

27:19KT: It's not like you're on tape or anything.

27:19Oti: Oh, I'll rock that onesie.

27:19KT: Nice. Yes. So we've got Might Guy, Rock Lee, and Neji.

27:38Oti: Man, Tenten really did didn't get any attention, did she?

27:38KT: She didn't really do much, though. She just summoned weapons.

27:38Oti: She summoned weapons, but you could tell that she she really looked up to Tsunade.

27:49KT: Fun fact, TonTon got more airtime than Tenten, which is kind of sad, but it's kind of funny. The little pig got more airtime.

28:01Oti: That's It's sad. She wasn't incompetent.

28:05KT: She just didn't get good skills. I don't think she would have made it through the Chunin exams if she wasn't with Neji and Rock Lee. Probably not. Probably not. Right? And I think they made reference that she's the only Chinese person as well, even though Rock Lee is kind of modeled after Bruce Lee. Yeah. Oh, Rock Lee is a fun fave. Fan fave. You wanna talk about Neji first? Oh. You know what we did, which was a very terrible thing to do? We actually watched leading up to Neji's death.

28:34KT: That was the worst thing to do before recording this episode. I don't know why we did that.

28:41Oti: Yeah. We're just trying to refresh our memory on everything that happened. And then we saw Neji dying again, and it's one of the saddest moments because Neji has always been there. We know his storyline. It's quite sad. Bloody hell. Everyone was given such a sad

28:59KT: His dad took the place of his twin brother, and he grew up thinking, like, so many times, there's flip flop flip flop, and you just don't know who to trust anymore. And, wow, Neji is a man of honor. Yeah. And rest in peace.

29:14Oti: A a genius by his own. Right? And he's skilled in everything he does. He's quite intelligent. He's a natural born leader. Oh, totally. You could look up to Neji for anything. He'd always be there. He'd find solutions. He's he'd figure things out. And when they were sent out on a mission, I remember this with just Neji, Naruto, you could tell that he's so calculating and he's he's like a mini he's not really quite Shikamaru level of intelligence, but he's quite up there. Yeah.

29:45KT: But for for what he lacks in Shikamaru's intelligence, he gains in the skill of the gentle fist. Yeah. Titan. Right? Yep. And especially after Shippuden, if you wanna pick-me-up, you should watch Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals because Neji is a whole different Neji.

30:08Oti: Yeah. Because we are exposed to the serious Neji. You know? Yeah. And in Rock Lee and His Ninja Pals, he's he's He begrudgingly

30:17KT: goes along with the shenanigans. And Tenten is a straight man. Like, she's the one that plays it straight, which is quite funny.

30:25Oti: Rock Lee. He is He could have had his own series, and that that probably makes sense why he got that spin off. He did. And I feel like they should have done it better rather than just making it, like, into a cute chibi type of animation thing. They should have just done a proper spin off where we get to see the life of Rock Lee. He is skilled. He's he's the best at taijutsu. Mhmm. Very dedicated. He is even better when drunk.

30:53KT: Oh, his drunken taijutsu? Drunken Fist. I live. I die, and then I'm resurrected.

31:01Oti: I don't know how many of you grew up on kung fu movies and there were movies like Drunken Master and Oh, yeah. Totally. It was such a nice concept

31:13KT: growing up and watching. It's fun. It's like you wanted to do it with your friends. Right? You wanted to knock them out. Yeah.

31:20Oti: And the concept of being drunk and doing kung fu or tai chi. Yeah. It's it was really impressive. Yeah. I just feel like in the end, in the final battle, they should have just given Rock Lee some alcohol.

31:33KT: Right. That's all he needed. Alcohol and

31:37Oti: Naruto's chakra. And if he opened all the maybe not all the gates, but up until four Yeah. He would have been unstoppable. Start a petition. I will. We need to get this, Ruritan.

31:50KT: But can we also give some proper credit to Lee? Because he first introduced his Lotus flying Lotus to Sasuke before registration for the Chunin exam. And Sasuke he was hit off kilter again being like, oh, fuck. I'm not the strongest one. Right? And then when Sasuke goes into the tournament, he uses it and he calls it lion's barrage. Right? Yeah. Blatant. Blatant copyright. That's some ghostwriting shit right there. Yep. And then Naruto steals it. Plagiarizes. So not only does he take it from Sasuke, who takes it from Lee, he also takes Sasuke's barrage.

32:36KT: I think he called it Naruto barrage or he called it something barrage. Naruto's barrage. Ridiculous. And and Lee's just one of those guys. He's exactly like Might Guy where he doesn't really need the credit for shit. He's just doing his own thing. Right? And for so for so long, like, him trying to prove himself really showed his strength. And the fact that he was wearing weights, remember the first time when he was fighting Gaara and he took his weights off? Yeah. Oh, sploosh mountain.

33:08Oti: Yeah. And he was the first one to actually make Gaara bleed. Yes, please. We fucking love Gaara, but that was a beautiful moment. That was a really good fight.

33:18KT: Well, I don't think at the time we knew, and then afterwards, I'm not sure if it was Gaara or if it was his siblings saying that's never happened before. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Insane. Let's do it. So he It's the springtime of youth, my friend. He's Kakashi's rival. I love him in his speedos. Can I just say, if if you if you are feeling down on yourself, be as confident as Might Guy in his speedos? That's what you need to do. Yeah.

33:51Oti: He doesn't take himself too seriously. He has self confidence to boot. Yeah. He is just an amazing teacher. He understands the subtleties. He he can be emotional when he has to be. Oh, not even speaking about that. Remember when Lee got injured by Gaara? Oh, no. And Tsunade was like, you

34:14KT: This is not. Yeah. It's a fifty one percent chance. No. Even before that, it wasn't fifty one percent. It was a fifty percent chance, I think Yeah.

34:21Oti: That you would die. And Guy said to Lee that if you die, I'd also kill myself. Like Oh, no. Oh. And they they were at the place where

34:33KT: he asked his squad what their dreams were. Oh, wow. What a beautiful moment. And it's sad that Guy ends up being in a wheelchair because he sacrificed himself in the final battles. He did. He did. He opened all the gates. He's He he is just the best. He personifies sunshine, and it emanates through Rock Lee.

35:00Oti: Yeah.

35:01KT: The way they do the 500 handstands. Like, when Kakashi and Might Guy Guy wants to face off with him, and he's like, fine. Let's do rock, scissors, paper. And Guy's like, that's not very exciting. But if I don't win, I'll do handstands across the city. Kakashi's like, no one's asking you. Like, no one's asking you to do that, you weirdo.

35:23KT: They had a very cute rivalry. Remember how he gave him flowers when he became Hokage? Oh oh, we could do this all day. I think we're close to our time mark, aren't we? Yes. We are. What are we gonna do? Let's let's push on with the original squads that we had. Do you wanna cover Kurenai? Yeah. Or do you wanna cover Asuma? We'll we'll cover both of them, but which squad do you wanna do first?

35:23Oti: Ascoe Dasuma.

35:23KT: Okay. So we have the legendary Ino-Shika-Cho. Mhmm. I think that's apologies,

35:57KT: guys. Come and fight me in our Twitter mentions. But we have Shikamaru Nara, Ino Inuchi, and Choji, who has a last name. Right? Just a beautiful formation. Yeah. And I don't think we realized how cohesive they were together.

36:16Oti: They really were. Until the later on season. I didn't give them much respect at the start or especially in Naruto until Shippuden. That's when you actually come to see them coming to terms with their powers. The fact that their parents were also in the same team, it's just It's a generational thing. Yeah. It's a a generational thing. It's a team that works. Yeah. Those specific skill sets, they just complement each other beautifully.

36:43KT: And we we kinda discounted Choji at the start. But when they first started laying out missions, they carried out missions. I think it was the first time they went to go rescue Sasuke, and it was all the guys. Yeah. He's the one who passed on to stay behind. He sacrificed himself, and I'm like, you're my guy.

37:04Oti: You're my yeah. You're my guy. Well, then again, I'm not sure I appreciate Choji's skills, but I'm tired. Like,

37:12Oti: for you to rely on food pills regardless of what they

37:12KT: Do you also discard Kiba as well because he's got Akamaru?

37:19Oti: No.

37:20KT: Oh, come boo. Boo. How dare you? You can't. If you're talking about having an aid, then that's all of them.

37:29Oti: That's good first. Let's let's let's between having a food pill and having a dog as an aid. I feel like a dog is even more useful than a food pill. It's like taking steroids and me taking Theo to a fight.

37:29KT: You think you think Theo will help you?

37:29Oti: Exactly.

37:29KT: Oh, you're in for a sad time with him?

37:29Oti: I'd have to go through a tough time training him rather than me just taking roids

37:51Oti: and being strong ass.

37:51KT: Is this episode of Ruse so you can do roids? Yep. You gotta get super Super ripped. Exactly. I I don't know. I I did think a little bit less because he uses those food pills, but at the same time, it's not that serious.

38:11Oti: It's not. Yeah.

38:13KT: Ino. I fucking love Ino. Yeah. Sakura's best friend. Sakura's an idiot because Ino was the only person to be friends with her and to actively make other people be friends with Sakura. To fall out of friendship because of a guy, especially Sasuke.

38:31Oti: Ugh.

38:32KT: And they were so young. What are you gonna what are you gonna do with his genitals or your genitals? You don't know what you're doing.

38:32Oti: At

38:38Oti: that age, why are you falling out of friends with you because of a guy? The Sasuke is

38:45KT: mine.

38:46Oti: Oh, I guess it's been happening a long time, aye.

38:51KT: Oh, man. But, Ino, I feel like she didn't get as much credit as she should've. It bothered me when in Shippuden, she was trying to become, like, Tsunade, like and she was under Sakura's mentorship. They kind of made it like Ino wasn't she couldn't do that. I get that there's different temperament for the medical shinobi, but at the same time, I felt like they were just trying to prop up Sakura because she's been useless. Ino can literally influence the mind of thousands.

39:25Oti: Then again, her body is useless afterwards.

39:27KT: You can do pretty much anything with it. Roofies has the same effect. What are you gonna tell me? Or Quaaludes. This is not a Bill Cosby podcast. So And I hope to god there isn't. And you know what, guys? If you thought this was gonna be a quaint chat about your neighborhood friend Naruto and we weren't gonna mention Quaaludes, well, shame on you because there is no shame in this room. Unfortunately, there is no shame here. Anything else about Ino? I think she was quite good. She

39:58KT: helped her family with the flower shop. One of the funniest little segments was when the dad walked in on her when she was getting dressed. Yeah. That was crazy. Then she came out and it was really super awkward and Shikamaru. Was just it was obviously, it's it's creepy, but it's it was funny. It was funny. And I'm not sure if anyone's had that experience with their parents, but it would be very awkward. It would be. Especially because her dad was already weird, like, in knowing how to rear her. Does

40:28KT: does she have a mom? Did the mom die, or they just didn't show her? I don't know. I can't remember if she had a mom. But it seemed like they had a really, like, OG father daughter relationship.

40:37Oti: But she does play a big part in the war, and she communicates with everyone. She's Yes. Exactly. Pivotal in that. Let us all take a moment and pour some sip sip on the concrete for Shikaku and Inoichi.

40:49KT: Sad. Because we literally just watched that as well now. Yeah. Sad. We're all killed. But Shikamaru and Ino are very good examples of embodying, you know, the principles brought down to them by their fathers. Yeah. So let's talk about Shikamaru. And I know how much we love Shikamaru, but let's not spend the rest of our time talking about him. So let's This is the Shikamaru podcast. Dammit. I know. Right? For Your Shikamaru's.

41:15Oti: He has genius level IQ. Oh, totally. At first, when we started watching this, we were like, what's Yeah. Up with this Yeah. Yeah. He's mendokusai-ing everything. Mendokusai. Nice. And we couldn't understand until Asuma tells us that he's just bored. He's too smart to be intrigued by the menial things. He just wants to sit like an old man.

41:42KT: Relatable content.

41:43Oti: Exactly. They're always playing shogi. Yeah. And they kind of use this to determine that there's someone really important in the village that needs to be protected. Mhmm. And Shikamaru realizes this. And they keep this a secret, but we all know that it's Naruto.

41:57KT: Oh, yeah. Totally. Totally. The sacrificial sacrificial pawn. Right? Although it's Naruto, and he's there to make sure that he'll guard Naruto to achieve his his goals. His attitude towards women was quite funny, and the fact that he inherited it from his dad was also funny. The fact that his first battle in the Chunin exams was with Temari, and he ended up with her. I thought that was quite fun. That was fun. That was quite a fun pairing,

42:26KT: I think. Yeah. You could definitely see that end up together. I I feel like Shikamaru would be a sub, though. Would he be a sub or a dom? Yeah. Sub.

42:34Oti: Right? I think he'd be too lazy to do it.

42:38KT: Put it in me, Temari. Pretty much. That's a Phlebs reference. Pretty much. And

42:45Oti: we get to see Shikamaru

42:48KT: grow from strength to strength to strength. Yes. Because in the Chunin exams when they're in the forest, he really struggled with the Shadow Possession Jutsu. And then you fast forward all the way to the war in Shippuden, and he is he is actually harnessing the Ten-Tails with the help of the Nara clan. But he is the he's bolstering that up himself. Yeah. And shout outs to Shikadai, Shikamaru's son in Boruto. He would be my only kind of reason and Mitsuki to actually keep watching Boruto because Shikadai also embodies all of the talents

43:26KT: and all of the of Shikamaru. Yep.

43:31Oti: So good. It's also important to note that Shikamaru is the only one in the first Chunin exam to actually pass. Yes. And he just the fact that gave up.

43:41KT: Yeah. And he he completely upgraded himself. It's fascinating. But, unfortunately, we need to keep moving.

43:50Oti: Asuma. Oh, how sad was it when he died? My heart breaks.

43:54KT: Yeah. I wanted to, like, start smoking cigarettes once he died just out of respect. Must buff where you've been. Yeah. But he's that, like, that macho sort of character, but he was very smart as well. The way he harnessed the chakra blades, I don't think anyone else did that. No. No one else did that.

43:54Oti: I have a qualm.

43:54KT: Oh, no. On to your privates. Oti has a qualm.

44:20Oti: Why did the kunai blades be useless in the hands of the good guys? But when it's the bad guys throwing those kunai knives, everyone gets killed at all. Look at the kunai. They're coming at us. Oh, we're dashing over here. It's ridiculous.

44:37KT: You're right. You're not wrong.

44:39KT: You are not wrong. I'm not sure what to tell you, sir.

44:39Oti: Could I blame to be effective? Give a bad person to throw that shit. That's the only time it works. That's the only time it works.

44:48KT: Like, you can use it to hoist up, like, the paper bombs on some strings, which Shikamaru does, but you can't use them as actual weapons. No. They'll probably break if you use them as toothpicks. Like, I I don't think they're useful for anything. That's a valid qualm. Bloody hell. But Asuma dying was one was one of the really sad moments where, you know, this triformation had to grow up real quick, especially Shikamaru.

45:15KT: He has to get revenge. Yeah. And in the process of him getting revenge, he actually becomes even stronger. With the Akatsuki? Yeah. He pretty much dominates the guy that killed Asuma. But can I just say these animators know what they're doing? Because when he died, not only did the music change, but it started raining. And it started raining from my eyes. And I'm like, what's going on here? They really set the mood. It's like, Jesus Christ. And you know what's really bad? Like, especially near the end of Shippuden,

45:41KT: every time something bad happened, like when Neji died, they did flashbacks to happier times. And I'm like, you can't do this. I can't handle. Yeah. I can't handle this perfectly crafted moment. It's too sad. But Asuma was definitely the catalyst for Shikamaru to catapult himself into maturity. Yeah. For sure. Not sure about Choji, but Ino definitely grew up that day as well, unfortunately. And he was a baby daddy.

46:10KT: So poor Kurenai had to grow up with her kid without him. Shikamaru was always there. I know that, but still, it's sad. Do you think Shikamaru hit that out of respect?

46:21Oti: Oh,

46:26KT: thank you. If you didn't say out of respect, I I would have been offended. Yeah. I had to put it there. You know? I did see some spiky hair on the kids, so who knows? Wow. Two points to you, sir. So let's go to Kurenai's squad. Well, they they wouldn't be my go to. You have Kiba Mhmm. Lady Hinata, who I would always go to first,

46:52KT: and Shino.

46:52Oti: Shino really got a short end of the stick. He was skillful. He was analytical in battle, and yet he wasn't really there in any of the battles. His battle. Was always a mission for Shino to go to. But I kind of wouldn't wanna be stuck in an elevator with him for more than five minutes. Yeah. It's creepy,

47:12KT: but then I get didn't want him on your side. Yeah. In the background. He doesn't need to be near me.

47:17Oti: I'm feeling itchy just thinking about him. Because he's always strong, and he uses his bugs to his advantages. He's using the surrounding to his advantages, and yet he's never there. Especially when they're chasing after Sasuke.

47:29KT: Yeah. He wasn't there at all because he was with the clans. Yeah. And he catches up with Gaara's brother,

47:34Oti: and they fight, and he defeats him quite easily because Shino is Shino. Shino is good. He's a good warrior. He's a good fighter, and yet he's never really there when you need him because he's been sent on a mission. And apparently, we read this afterwards. It came down to kids being creeped out by Shino's ability, and they had to give him

47:56Oti: less airtime and just

47:56KT: Well, even in Boruto, the school children were like, ew.

48:03Oti: Yeah. Which is sad, but I feel like they missed a trick that wish, you know, for sure. Yeah.

48:09KT: One of the favorite it wasn't really a filler, but it definitely wasn't entirely canon, was when they wanted to track down Sasuke. And it's it's during the saga of Naruto constantly bothering Tsunade to go and look for Sasuke. And he's gonna go do it anyway, but he's asking Tsunade. And then eventually, she finds out that they can get a bug. So Shino is the know. Know. Know. I I at all, know. Like, just at all. Right? But it's it's it's one of the it's a primo episode that

48:59KT: it's just good. It brings the feels. It's a happy time. And the funniest thing was when they were trying to look for the beetle, and Shino was like, this is what it looks like, and he's showing a photo to everyone. This is what it looks like. Once you find it, get it together, let us know, and we'll capture it at the same time. Right? So they all go off, and then you hear Naruto

49:22KT: running from over there saying, I found it. I found it.

49:22Oti: Even before that, he's like, why are you looking for this bug? I see it every morning.

49:32KT: Cockroaches. So good. Oh. So good. And he was so serious. Had so much conviction as well.

49:42Oti: Naruto has to be one of the most lovable characters out there. Totally. Yeah. Totally. And

49:48KT: I you know, we we even said it in our bonus anime episode, which you guys should check out as well. For me, Naruto is the top anime. Like, if you're talking about all encompassing dimension, story, character arcs, all the feels, Naruto is, like, my favorite.

50:08KT: Like, my absolute

50:08Oti: Yeah. It does have a lot a lot of

50:11Oti: going for it in terms of storyline and and and and the plot and everything.

50:11KT: And the characters. Everyone has so many dimensions to that. Oh, yeah. You could pluck anyone. Maybe not Sakura, but you could pluck you could pluck anyone and just have a whole show For sure. The whole show out of it. Yeah. But let's continue because I I know we are getting really close to time. We might need to do another episode, maybe maybe in another 20 episodes time because we haven't even talked about the Jinchuriki.

50:40KT: We haven't even talked about the Akatsuki. We haven't even talked about

50:45Oti: Pain.

50:46KT: Pain. All the major sort of villains. We haven't covered all of the Hokage. But I don't really wanna rush if we don't have to rush. You know what I mean? Because I'm really enjoying redigesting

50:58KT: this.

50:58Oti: Yeah. For sure. We could definitely have a part two for this. Yeah.

50:58KT: We will. And if you guys are satiated,

51:05KT: definitely let us know. So let's finish off this squad so we can quickly try and get to at least one other section of Naruto. We've got Lady Hinata and Kiba and Akamaru. Which one do you wanna do first?

51:05Oti: Hina

51:21Oti: no. Let's do Kiba.

51:23KT: You don't wanna answer? Oh, I feel sorry for Kiba. Kiba's that kid in your class that wants all of the attention, but no one really gives him attention.

51:35Oti: Yeah. Well, he thought he was better than Naruto.

51:39KT: That was funny. That was hilarious. Yeah. Because even back then, you knew He wasn't. He hit his potential.

51:47Oti: Hedges ago.

51:47KT: I

51:50KT: think he was best suited to be a cop, which he is in Boruto.

51:53Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what to say about him. Akamaru,

51:59KT: that's a shining spot on this. Kiba Kiba and Akamaru, when they were fighting the Akatsuki, the really creepy one that split into two, He held his own there. He did hold his own, but he was rescued, though, because he was about That's not the point, though. He was about to be killed. Yeah. But no one would believe that. No one would believe that he successfully defeated the Akatsuki.

52:22Oti: Yeah. Probably not. Exactly. So you take away you can get it, mate. He did push himself to the limit, and he he did hold his own. Yeah. That much can't be said. Yeah. And the fact that he survived the great war Yeah. Is not that bad. So

52:38KT: because he had no expectation, that's what makes it impressive? Yeah. It's good to be honest. You know? It is. Let's talk about Lady Hinata. Where to start? Like, you couldn't not root for her from the start.

52:55Oti: Yeah. She she's always had a crush on Naruto, especially It was always funny just seeing her her interaction with Naruto and how she'd just pass out at two at each moment when it

53:11KT: became physical or Like, he'll just hold her hand. Yeah.

53:16Oti: Yeah. It was really nice to see. And the fact that they ended up together.

53:20KT: But it's also because he showed her a kindness Yeah. When they were little little baby kids. Yeah. Gorgeous.

53:28Oti: Yeah. And and and she tried to live by Naruto's model of his world ninja.

53:28KT: Don't do it. Don't do it. It's too sad.

53:28Oti: Remember her battle with Neji at the Chunin exam?

53:28KT: No.

53:28Oti: She kept on getting up. But she stand down, girl. She had to. She knew she had to. Yeah. And it just she has this spirit, and you can't help but just to root for her. Totally.

53:53KT: But no one better. And when we first started watching this, we're like, ugh. I hope Naruto doesn't end up with Sakura. And rewatching but rewatching Naruto recently,

54:04Oti: it was so obvious. It was so obvious that Naruto and Hinata were gonna get together. You know when I thought that they wouldn't? Remember when Sakura told Naruto that if you do this for me, then I'll be with you. And Naruto Naruto was like, no. I was happy by that. I was like, thank god. I really don't want Sakura ending up with Naruto. The ass away from me. I don't want you. Man, someone who's been piling off Sasuke for the entire show. I know. Right? Yeah. It was quite ridiculous. 700 plus episodes.

54:38KT: Ugh. Ridiculous. Go out and get yours, girls. But if they don't want you, then go and get yourself. Like, leave people alone. But, yeah, Hinata and then in Boruto. I didn't care for Boruto, but the daughter, I can't remember her name. She was very cute. She was very Hinata. Yeah. I was gonna say Orihime, but that's Bleach. But, yes, it it's nice that they had their nice ending and the wedding with the tapes. Yeah. That was quite beautiful. And Iruka sensei couldn't figure out what he was going to say the whole time.

55:21KT: Ridiculous. That was cute. I know. It was a very, very sweet moment. But let's if we only have one more thing to cover, I vote that we talk about Jiraiya and the legendary Sannin. Oh, yeah. That's third Hokage as a sensei. Okay. We're not gonna talk about the third Hokage.

55:44Oti: I think we talked about the third Hokage on the bonus episode. We did. But can we talk about the legendary the three legendary Sannin? Yes. We can. And we can start off by with Jiraiya.

55:54KT: Let's end with Jiraiya, please. Okay.

55:56Oti: Tsunade. We've covered a bit of Tsunade so far. She's

56:02Oti: quite like

56:02KT: She is a delicious three scoop Tsunade. There's a sound bite right there Yeah. With a cherry. I love Tsunade. I think if anyone was ever to ask me who was my favorite female anime character, Tsunade is right up there.

56:21Oti: Oh, more than Sakura.

56:22KT: Really? Do you hear your soul dying? If you had a soul, do you hear it dying right now? But, yeah, Lady Tsunade really hits it up there. And we start to peel back the layers because we know her as a just a gambling tyrant, and that's what the back of her robe says. Right? But then we start to realize that she's gone through some shit, and she needs to stop handing that necklace out because people keep people keep dying. She has her little brother who is a 100% exactly like Naruto. Yeah.

57:06KT: He's got that outlook on life, and he's really super cute. And, you know, Tsunade had such a close relationship with him. And then I think his name was Dan, her lover. She gave the necklace to him, and he died as well. But that's the that was the first sort of semblance of having a medical shinobi Yeah. In the squad. Yeah. Legendary. Hence, legendary Sannin. Right? Amazing. And she went through so much pain. It kinda made sense. You know, everyone has their vices. Right?

57:41KT: There's only so much you can take as a human until you indulge in your vices. We all know what Jiraiya's was. But, you know, Tsunade's was gambling and just being really bad at gambling. And we also had TonTon.

57:57Oti: Yeah. We like TonTon.

58:00KT: But yeah. So, you know, they were skipping town and that sort of thing. But she she really had some depth to her. And I really liked her relationship with Naruto.

58:11Oti: Yeah. Because pretty much just saw her brother in Naruto. Oh, yeah. And that's why Naruto got got away with so much.

58:21KT: Oh, yeah. No no one else. Yeah. No one else. No one else would have gotten away with everything that they went through. But, yeah, Tsunade is a very super solid character, and she she had to be the next Hokage after my man Kakashi. But she had to be the next Hokage. No one else would have been able to fit that mold.

58:43Oti: Yeah. Yeah. I would have gone with Jiraiya.

58:45KT: But Yeah. But Jiraiya wasn't going to be that person. Yeah. And he made that quite clear. And he knew that Tsunade was the one to do. With your lady turning down Jiraiya? Hey, man. Oh. That's some unrequited love right there.

59:00Oti: Leave that Romeo and Juliet at knew that's the last time she's gone on to see Jiraiya.

59:00KT: Oh, don't do that. That's not fair.

59:00Oti: I'm just saying.

59:00KT: But that that's not fair. That last moment? No. That's that's not fair. Don't do that to Tsunade.

59:00Oti: I'm just saying, Jiraiya knew that was the last time he was gonna come back. There was no way he was gonna face Pain. And all of the Pains had come back walking, come back to the village. That was just not gonna happen.

59:29KT: I think it's just one of those things. Maybe it was just a matter of timing.

59:33Oti: Yeah. And the fact that they said they'd be together afterwards

59:36KT: just goes to show you they both you gonna they were gonna happen. Gonna make it. It was not gonna happen. It was not gonna happen. Let's talk about Orochimaru.

59:45Oti: He's hell bent on destroying the Leaf village.

59:49KT: And With his Orochi hot springs. And

59:54Oti: they he manages to kill the third Hokage. So credit to him.

59:59KT: Yeah. Because the third Hokage was problematic. Listen to our bonus episode because we don't have time to go through it now. Yeah. But he was fucked. Like, beyond the, like, OG mentality of the village is the most important, he maliciously did things. We really didn't like that old man and old lady behind the scenes, but, like, the third Hokage was just as bad as them. Yeah. For sure. For sure. The ones that were with Danzo. Yeah. They were colluding with him. Right? Gross. But I I really like there there was something about Orochimaru.

60:33KT: He was twisted, but he kind of had some humanity to him as well. Especially towards the end. Well, he in in his distorted sense, he was actually trying to do people a kindness even when he was talking to Tsunade Mhmm. As well. That night, we found out that Dan was dying. Yeah. Right? I think Orochimaru had a lot more dimension to him. And once we started to introduce Tobi, later known as Obito and Madara and Pain, Orochimaru became a cute little kitten at that point.

61:09Oti: Yeah. Because of He wasn't villains.

61:11KT: Yeah. Exactly. He was he was your cute little rival that you had. He he didn't become

61:11Oti: But he has the creepiest

61:19Oti: power and his snakes are just gross. I'd say he's more gross than Shino's bugs.

61:27KT: But at least you'll have a more pleasurable time wherever the snakes are going. Right?

61:33Oti: Yep.

61:34KT: There you go. Okay. Before we talk about Jiraiya, is there anyone else that you think we should be able to capture in this time, or should we just go straight to Jiraiya? Jiraiya. As much as I say I love Kakashi, Jiraiya is my number one. He's my number one. Obviously, you love Naruto. Obviously. It's his show. He's one of the best protagonists in an anime in a show in general. Right? But Jiraiya really had all of the best parts of a sensei, of a mentor, and just for our sake, for the lols,

62:17KT: it was fucking hilarious. Who doesn't love a pervy toad sage?

62:21Oti: Women.

62:23KT: I'm a I'm a woman, and I'm all foreign. Being subjected to his pervy sageiness. Okay. I'll have to rethink that. I'll have to rethink that. But the first way we're introduced to him is him perving in the bath houses. Right? Mhmm. And it really just sets the tone. And okay. All all of that Master Roshi pervertedness aside, the book he wrote had a character named Naruto. Mhmm. And that's where Minato got Naruto's name. And it's like all of the stars aligned because you had Jiraiya mentoring Minato, later on mentoring Naruto.

63:07KT: Such a beautiful connection to have. Him connecting him to the toad sages. So Naruto could further go on to harness that as well. Jiraiya was solid in every single way. Yes. He had his vices, but there was so much more dimension to him. Yeah.

63:27Oti: He really did. And we later come to see his struggle when he was a kid. He was pretty much like Naruto.

63:33KT: Yeah. Not to the levels of Naruto buying. Same thing with the bells? Yeah. With the third Hokage? He did the same fucking thing. Yeah. He was pretty much like Naruto,

63:42Oti: and he also went through his own struggles where he thought he wasn't good enough. And he went out to find himself and to be stronger by himself, which he did. Yeah. Which is just more props to him.

63:55KT: But the three legendary Sannin, I think, is the best way to end at least this portion of our Naruto dedicated

64:04KT: episode.

64:04Oti: Yeah. We definitely need to do a part two in the next 20 episodes or something.

64:04KT: Oh, yeah. Totally. If you guys want it faster,

64:10KT: let us know. We die we do try to pace out our foreign sort of episodes just so people have some time to, you know, understand in English. But wow. Just Naruto Naruto Shippuden, one of the best. I I I do wanna just mention that when we first watched the series, we kind of got annoyed with all of the fillers because I think Naruto has and Shippuden has one of the highest proportions of filler to canon. It's like 60% filler. Right?

64:44KT: And, you know, we got really pissed off. We got really annoyed, and we even skipped some sections. And it wasn't until after we realized that, you know, there's a whole another world for manga and also for the animation studios and how competitive it is and how they have to live deadline by deadline. And most of the time, why they are fillers is because they they they need more time Yeah. To construct the main story. That's why nothing really aligned to whatever the main narrative is. Yeah. And we had so much more respect

65:16Oti: for the creators and the animators as well. Yeah. And we went back and watched every single episode.

65:22KT: Yes. And and as annoying as an ostrich ninja and as unnecessary as an ostrich ninja might be,

65:30Oti: there there is so much more appreciation for the art that we had. The artists and the creators are really put under the pump to chuck out as many episodes as possible or quickly as possible. So it's really understandable to have fillers. And we just need to appreciate the work that they're doing and consume the content without going through what episodes are fillers, what episodes are canons, and let's which one can we skip?

65:58KT: Totally. Completely agree. Thank you so much, guys. We made it to the end of our twentieth episode, guys. Whoop whoop. Whoop. Celebrate. Celebrate with us. Go and get yourself a snack. But thank you so much for listening. We are going to get into For Your Reference. Oti?

66:20Oti: I'd recommend Hunter x Hunter. It's also about a story of a young kid who's trying to figure out or follow his dreams to becoming a great hunter and follow him through an exciting journey with his friends, and it's quite interesting. We're hoping for a new season, so get on it, and you won't be disappointed.

66:43KT: Nice. I will recommend Bleach because it also surrounds Ichigo. And he's he's in school age. He's kind of a bit more confident, so he's not really much of an underdog. But it is also if if you've just finished Naruto and you wanna dive yourself into another immersive anime that's beautiful and it has expansive stories and characters with more than one dimension, definitely give Bleach a go. Thank

67:12KT: you so much, guys. We really appreciate you. If you miss us already, check out another episode on Twitter and Instagram. We're @ForYourRefPod. You can also find us on Facebook.

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