Into The Spiderverse – Gwen you need a few heroes

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2:25KT: Hey, friends and lovers. It's For Your Reference. Welcome. Right? We're gonna have a good time. You know why?

2:33Oti: We're doing Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

2:37KT: Wow. Were my spidey senses tingling you?

2:40Oti: Oh, I could feel it because I'm also Spider-Man.

2:44KT: What? Are we done? Yep. Can we leave? Wrap it up. Go and check out another episode when done. Nice. This is and we don't rehearse this, guys. This is all and we don't even get paid for this commentary. Can you please? Dome. Out of the dome and into the Spider-Verse. And there's a sound bite right there. Okay, guys. Let's get into the stats. You know how this runs. It came out in December 2018. It's now available on Netflix. So so much throughout watching this movie.

3:24KT: There was so much commentary that we had that we just had to do a full episode on this.

3:30Oti: Yes. We did. And the funny thing is I've been trying to get you to watch this movie for the longest time.

3:35KT: It's not that I didn't wanna watch it, but, you know, I've I've mentioned it a few times. I've got superhero fatigue. Yeah. True. Unless it's going to be something, like, vastly different

3:46Oti: Plus our schedule has been quite crazy as well.

3:51KT: Was a great time. June, July ish was a great time for cinema and also for returning reigning shows, Deadwood, if you're nasty. Just wow. It's it's been a very busy packed time. But, yeah, we definitely needed to watch this. But just to finish off my thought, unless it's like, you know, our queen Joaquin with his Joker coming out in October or if it's Black Panther, like, it needs to be different. If it's a run of the mill sort of superhero movie, I'm not about that life.

4:22Oti: And with Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse isn't. It's not your run of the mill superhero movie. It's quite different and unique and fun.

4:33KT: So let's get to the stats so we can talk about it. Yep. Quite quite a massive achievement. It made quite a lot in the box office. The budget was $90,000,000.

4:47Oti: Wow.

4:50KT: It it's it it was justified, though. You could see it. It was well justified. If they're going to spend that much, pay your animators. Hopefully, you're paying them over time Yeah. As well. Yeah. But, yes, 90,000,000, and then it grossed in America. Oh, it's saying worldwide. Sorry, IMDb. Forgive me. 375,000,000.

5:11Oti: That's quite Yeah. A healthy profit.

5:18KT: Yeah. That's one way to put it. Right? Let's talk about the cast. The voice acting was pretty good. I was quite impressed with the voice acting.

5:27Oti: Yeah. Actually, yeah. I I don't think I've even thought about it that much. Like, it was just yeah.

5:33KT: Yeah. For sure. I also even before we've even even before we go through the cast, let me just go through the accolades and the awards. It won the Academy Award. It won the Oscar this year for the best animated feature film. It also got a BAFTA for the same category, also a Golden Globe. Oh, nice. Right? Rucked up all the awards, did it? Yeah. And a whole slew of awards. Well deserved. Feel free to go and check it out. Check out all the accolades because it definitely deserved it. So let's get to the cast.

6:05KT: We have Miles Morales, our protagonist.

6:10Oti: Mhmm.

6:11KT: Our go to guy. Mhmm. Not our Peter Parker. Played by Shameik Moore. Do you think he's related to Shemar Moore? I don't think so. He has the same spelling, the same last name.

6:23Oti: So is Julianne Moore.

6:26KT: Oh, yeah. Actually. Far out. Wait. Why can't they be related?

6:32Oti: Well, they can be.

6:34KT: Let's change the topic. Listen to our episode of A Single Man where Julianne Moore stars. We got Peter B. Parker, played by Jake Johnson. We have Gwen Stacy, played by Hailee Steinfeld. We have Mahershala Ali as the uncle. Oh. Wow. Didn't I should have gotten that. It was a smooth, velvety, honey voice, and I can't believe we didn't place it, but there you go. Brian Tyree Henry. What is Paper Boi doing at this? As the daddy. As the Paper Daddy right there. Aunt May, Lily Tomlin.

7:11KT: You know what? I'm glad we didn't read the cast before we got on to here because it's surprise after surprise, really. Yeah. Because I know you usually like guessing this. I'm really bad with voices. So But I don't think they were too distracting. Because sometimes that can happen, especially with, like, Hayao Miyazaki movies and they do the English dub. It gets very distracting. Unless it's Tina Fey and Ponyo, and we we stan.

7:34Oti: Yeah. We

7:35KT: Howl's Moving Castle is quite brilliantly done in English, I think. Yes. And I I know Christian Bale's voice is quite distinctive. But when he's not yelling at producers and the crew, his voice is quite dreamy, so I will allow it. Oh, yeah. I will stan a Christian Bale dub in my household. And we'll be doing a Studio Ghibli

7:54Oti: We will?

7:54KT: Marathon quite soon. So

7:54Oti: Yay.

7:59KT: There's something for everyone, guys. It's For Your Reference. For sure. Okay. There's a there's a whole lot of other people in the cast, Mary Jane, Zoe Kravitz. Oh, I usually don't like John Mulaney, but he was Spider-Ham, so good for him. And let's let's just do I'll just do two more. Kimiko Glenn, Peni Parker, and Spider-Man Noir.

8:24Oti: You picked it up. It it's Nicolas Cage. His voice is you could get Nicolas Cage's voice from anywhere. It's quite distinct.

8:31KT: Yeah. You know what? Unless you guys, like, follow us on Twitter, you probably don't know. I, until recently, had never watched a Nicolas Cage film. So I wouldn't have been able to place his voice. Yeah. And the fact that I could place it, you know, for sure that it's quite recognizable. Well, you know, it it's a lot. Right? So let's move into our first impressions and not just about Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse because Spider-Man iterations of Spider-Man have existed since, you know, since we were kids.

9:10KT: Let's talk about that generally, and then we'll talk about the Spider-Verse and our first impressions for that.

9:17Oti: Oh, yeah. Definitely. I think most of us grew up watching Spider-Man. Like, it's it's it's one of those things that you grow up loving. It's quite unique. I don't think as much attention was given to Spider-Man as it did for Superman or Batman, but it was definitely in there in my rotation for watching all this when I was a kid.

9:38KT: But Peter Parker because you have Spider-Man up. You have Superman and Batman, but they kind of already had their shit sorted out. The good thing and the relatable thing about Spider-Man is he didn't know what he was doing, and he was fun, and he was quirky, and he was awkward. And I think that helps to resonate as well.

9:59Oti: Yeah. It does. And I I kept on as a kid, I kept on looking for spiders so they could bite me. Oh, sorry.

10:07KT: Well, you're in Australia now, so you're in the best place to get bitten by a spider. You might not survive, though. Yeah.

10:14Oti: We'll see how we go with that. Oh, no.

10:16KT: It's gonna be the shortest origin story. Or maybe it won't be. Oh my. Oh, you don't know. Please let this not be the last episode of COVID.

10:31KT: This will not be your legacy.

10:31Oti: You know how people die and then they become, like, more successful? Like, I think Michael Jackson became, what, more dead than he was alive.

10:43Oti: So maybe our podcast will just shoot right up after that.

10:43KT: You still need to be, like, famous or recognizable to some extent. Well You can't go from zero to zero. Like, it just doesn't work.

10:56Oti: Mate, oh, yeah. I I give you that. Right? Yeah. I thought Akamata a good rebuttal, but not it's not happening. We we know we have a handful of listeners, and we fucking love you guys.

11:07KT: But please don't go out looking for spiders. But I understand. I understand the gist of what you're saying. Because comic books were such a big thing. Personally, in my circles, we didn't really read the comic books, but we always had those Saturday morning cartoons even before the actual movies came out. So transitioning to, you know, the first sort of iterations of Spider-Man, what what what's the most memorable? So we've got I I'm probably gonna throw it out of water. We've got Tobey Maguire Mhmm. Fucking stan Mhmm. Seabiscuit motherfucker.

11:43KT: Andrew Garfield, don't care for him, Greasy motherfucker.

11:43Oti: He's good. He's good people, man.

11:43KT: Not in my household. Tom Holland, he's a cutesy little one. Yeah. Just put him in your pocket. He's not gonna hurt you. He'll be fine. And, yeah, that that's in cinemas, like, now. So It is. You know, you you can go you can go into that. But how how did you feel experiencing all of those sort of Spider-Man movies? Was it special at first, or it was just, this is okay?

12:18Oti: And we had Willem Dafoe playing Green Goblin. Yeah. I think the first Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire was good. I think I enjoyed it. Most people didn't, which is fine because people have read comics and stuff. I've I've not really dabbled in that world Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of Spider-Man comics, but it was fine. I didn't really care too much about what people thought it didn't work or how many villains it had in the second one. So I appreciate it for what it was. Mhmm.

12:46Oti: Good some good action scenes and yeah. It's Spider-Man. You get what you get. So I didn't really think much about it.

12:46KT: It was cute. It was cute. Like, it it was fine. I feel like I'm missing a Spider-Man, but, you know, let us know if we've missed another Spider-Man. Not that. That's all. It was nice. It was and it was at a time where we weren't saturated with, you know, three or four superhero movies in one year. Yeah. So it was nice. It was a little indulgent.

13:13KT: Not really a guilty pleasure, but it was nice. It it was nice to dip into that world. And now we come to all of these iterations of Marvel movies, and this is coming out of Marvel. So for all of the milking that they do with the franchise, they are painfully aware of that in Into the Spider-Verse, and I was here for it. Yeah. For sure. They embrace

13:37Oti: the history. Like

13:40KT: yeah. We made Tobey Maguire dance in the street and we embrace it. The hell, you know? But I feel like they animated it a lot more cooler because it did not look like that. No. No.

13:51Oti: I think it's just in animation. It looks better in animation than it did in real life.

13:51KT: Is that canon or filler?

13:51Oti: That is canon, man. That is canon.

14:02KT: But it was good. It it paid a nice little homage to the Spider-Mens that have been, acknowledging the fact that, yes, they have milked it and they have rebooted it every which way.

14:15Oti: But you know what? We're about to blow your fucking minds. Yeah. For sure. I'm blown away, aren't you? Like, just Yeah. Spoilers, by the way. Yeah. Spoilers. If you're listening to this and you've not watched it, please do yourself a favor. Stop the podcast. Watch the movie.

14:32KT: Read the fine print, Spider-Man: Into the Spoilerverse. Again, we don't get paid for this commentary.

14:39Oti: Yeah. I wouldn't pay for that either. How dare

14:45KT: Man, we were getting along just fine. Just fine. Yes. So we're going to dive into spoilers. Hi. Welcome. How are you going? This is what we do around here. But something that I just wanna point out about this, we do stan a strong Donald Glover in this household. And I know I've talked about him quite a lot and even Community as well, which we'll do eventually when we have a quiet week. But around 2010,

15:15KT: you know, when Twitter was popping Twitter's still popping, but, you know, it was during a time where, you know, fans campaigned for Donald Glover to be Spider-Man. Because, really, when you get to know him, especially when he had his YouTube channel, when he had his movie as well, he was the quintessential modern day Spider-Man. He had those sensibilities

15:39KT: about him. So it kinda made sense that, yeah, of course, you know, he should be Spider-Man. Why not? And then it just turned into this big, like, cultural fossil that people, like, refer to now. And I do remember we're watching the film, and we have Miles' character going to his uncle Mahershala. Yes, please. Hello. I'll take some more. Thank you. And on the TV, it's a really short clip. It's, like, five seconds if or maybe even three seconds. There's a clip of a guy wearing a Spider-Man shirt.

16:16KT: And even from that clip, I could tell that that was from opening sequence in Community where Troy, Donald Glover's character, was wearing a Spider-Man shirt.

16:16Oti: Yeah. You caught that. I completely missed it. I completely missed it.

16:16KT: But I think that that's how crazy. Like, I don't watch a lot of things as you guys will start to understand. But when I stan, I stan fucking hard. And so from those three seconds, I knew exactly what that was. And I'm sure it's an IMDb trivia.

16:16Oti: Yeah. Dido was pretty much talking about you in a song.

16:44KT: Really?

16:44Oti: Yeah. Dido and Eminem. It's more of an Eminem job than a Dido song, is it? Shout outs to Dido.

16:52KT: We will go down with this ship with you, Dido. She's great. We love her. Yeah. But what I wanted to mention before we dive into the actual movie is, you know, I remember all of that outrage. Like, there was so much outrage. You know? How how could Donald Glover be Spider-Man? This is not believable. This is not true to the literary art of a comic book. You know? There was so much swirling around. And as much as I love Spider-Man: Into the Spoilerverse,

17:25KT: they had to go so wackadoo crazy. They had to, you know, introduce quantum theory and all of these multiverses just so when a black Spider-Man comes along

17:25Oti: Wait. What?

17:25KT: Don't lose their shit.

17:25Oti: What did you say?

17:25KT: You heard me. Fuck. Go back twenty seconds if you wanna hear me say it again. True?

17:57KT: True or not true?

17:57Oti: I guess I didn't think of it like that. I

18:05Oti: Jesus Christ. Your mind is twisted.

18:05KT: Yeah. But am I wrong, though?

18:13Oti: Am I wrong, though? Well, yeah. I guess not. Well, because people could walk away saying,

18:20KT: at least we've got our white Spider-Man somewhere out there. Yeah. They didn't even change Peter Parker. Peter Parker wasn't black. They had to introduce another kid, and then a little Japanese kid, and then a Porky Pig.

18:35Oti: So this is the realm where you can get your black Spider-Man.

18:39KT: Yes. Like, if he was just to pop out out of nowhere, people will be like, no. Throw this man in jail. He's crazy. Like, he's not Spider-Man. Hey, look. Spider-Man wearing a hoodie. Get him down, man.

18:39Oti: And it's probably a good thing Commissioner Gordon wasn't there and the police was his dad.

18:39KT: Mate, Commissioner Gordon is Batman.

18:39Oti: What?

18:39KT: Yeah. Actually, that's that's all I'm saying. You know? If you were looking for a safe podcast that didn't didn't fuck you up,

19:12KT: you could listen to with your children, this is not it.

19:12Oti: Far out, man. Anyway, I see your point.

19:12KT: But you can't you can't disagree with me.

19:12Oti: Yeah. I see it. I see it.

19:12KT: And you know you know where I'm leading to. If you've listened to a few episodes, you know what I'm about to say. Maybe they should do the same thing with James Bond. Thank you. 2019, KT, from the For Your Reference podcast, will be campaigning

19:40KT: for our man, Idris Elba, to be James Bond. Are you telling me? Just just go into James Bond, create some multiverses, make make a black James Bond, and we're good. We're laughing. Oh, yes, again.

19:56Oti: He he can't be he he can't be double o seven, though. There's only one double o seven, isn't there? He'll be double o 69 then. Who? It'll be zero sixty nine, but I get your point. Really?

20:14KT: You're not thinking about the sexual possibilities? You're just looking at the semantics of the numbers?

20:19Oti: Yeah. But You need to leave. Well, double o 69, then you have double making an ass.

20:25KT: I don't think anyone would want that. Everyone wants a 69 that ass. There's a sound bite right there. See? Okay. If we're not saying controversial things, we're saying sexual things. You started that. Can we go on with the movie? I don't know. Can we? Yes, please. It's not ass time. We're moving on. Yes. Let's let's dive into it. Just generally. Just let's generally go through first impressions for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

20:25Oti: Oh, I loved it. I really did love it. It's it's got everything for everyone. Like

20:25KT: Yes.

20:59Oti: The different kind of type of characters in Spider-Man that they introduce. It's a different flavor, you know, and you get your new Spider-Man with Nicolas Cage. It's amazing. And it's like, oh my god. You feel like you're watching Sin City. You know? Like, I feel like you're a character in Sin City. And then you have your what was it? Porky Pig? Yeah.

21:23Oti: And you get the Bugs Bunny feel. Yeah. Like, a character straight out of Looney Tunes. It's only for, like, the Acme, like, dynamite. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't believe the last you know, it takes me so so far back. I can't remember the last time I watched a Looney Tunes, know, I watched Looney Tunes. And I've got all this nostalgia building. I was like, oh.

21:43Oti: But it was really exciting. It was really exciting for me. The storyline is quite great. It's quite well written. The shorts, the the comic book effect. It was gorgeous. It tells the story so perfectly, and the visuals, it's it's quite stunning the way it's done. The fighting scenes as well. The action is quite good. We have Miles who's Shameik Moore does a really good Yeah. Shout outs. He really do does a really good performance. And you can quite as well see his struggles. And I think for me, the main plot point was more resilience

22:21Oti: and how you can, you know Yeah. Anyone can be a hero kind of thing, but it's just good, generally. Yeah. What about you?

22:21KT: I think it had a very nice melting pot of like you said, it's a movie for everyone.

22:35KT: For, you know, the the bigger kids at heart that used to watch those Saturday morning cartoons or used to read those comic books and lived through all of those iterations of Spider-Man. And also kids now that don't really have that reference point. Right? And they're just starting fresh with Tom Holland. Yeah. Right? You've got that overly self aware being super meta. Right? Painfully aware of the fact that they've re be rebooted things to shit. And a lot of the time, with our commentary,

23:08KT: the characters were mimicking what we were saying as well. And that's such a new age sort of millennial thing as well. So it really brought together the best of all ages. Yeah. There's your sound bite. Put it on a movie poster, guys. Send us some royalties. Mhmm. Throw us a cental too. But, wow, I really I really enjoyed it. It was great, and it's it's great. It's just a good watch. It has a solid story as well. I think the logic is fine for the multiverse.

23:40KT: Thanks to Arbit and alternate timelines and Community, it was quite easy to follow through with what was going on. But I really enjoyed it. Oh, yeah.

23:49Oti: It really was. The music was really good as well. Oh, don't get me started. The amount of time I was just having Sunflower singing through Sunflower, it's it's it's brilliant. The way it they use it, the score in this, it's quite enjoyable as well. It is. It's

24:11KT: it's definitely a nice well, if you're not listening to For Your Reference podcast and you wanna listen to some music, probably just put on the soundtrack. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Take all your teenage angst away. What would you say was your favorite sort of scene in Spider-Verse?

24:11Oti: I'd say it's him and his father bonding right at the end.

24:11KT: Oh, who would have thought a cute little animated Spider-Man movie would move us to tears?

24:11Oti: Yeah. It was quite heartwarming

24:42Oti: to see because, you know, we all want to connect to our parents to that some sort of level.

24:42KT: Yeah. So let's let's talk more about Miles Morales. Miles. Oh, where do they start? Oh, the fact that his name is Morales. Like, he took on the mother's last name, I think. How progressive. Right? Super progressive. Come on. Good for you, Marvel. Then again, an anime, multiple universes. Not anime, but an animation.

25:11KT: We stan. We stan Lee Marvel. Sometimes. Not all the time. Shout out to Stan Lee's cameo. That was quite nice too. Yeah. That was quite heartwarming to see. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite nice. Yeah. Super progressive. I I did mention it a little bit at the start, but I do just wanna point out the way that they transcribed, you know, the Peter Parker, but in this case, Miles' character, it fits so perfectly in what it would be like to just grow up and understand

25:40KT: what life is, really. It was nice. It was nice to have that because that's the standard sort of formula for Spider-Man. Yeah. Awkward, angsty, all of that not fun stuff that you have to go through.

25:54Oti: True.

25:55KT: Yeah. So let's let's talk more about let's let's explore some other characters. Yeah? You wanna you wanna do Peter Parker?

26:03Oti: Yeah. Peter B. Parker or Peter Parker. Up to you. So we can start off with Peter Parker. The, well, the one from Arth.

26:12KT: The blondie. The blondie. Yeah. Played by Chris Pine, would you believe? Oh, Chris Pine.

26:19Oti: Oh, wow. Okay. So he's do we get to see him much? So we see in the opening sequence, he's quite jaded. Not jaded per se. He's like, the mundanity of it all, but he's still got his spirit. He's still doing it. He's still loving it, but it's become quite a routine.

26:40KT: Are you talking about Peter B. Parker or you're talking about Chris Pine? Oh, I think I'm just gonna be be gonna happy go lucky. He was a great guy. Was he? Yeah. He was a super great guy. Oh, yeah. Maybe I was cruising like Peters. Yeah. He was on he was on his, like, deathbed trying to get Miles some lessons, and then he died. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was the happy one. So really nice to mention about him. He didn't notice Miles up up until Miles literally

27:07KT: is. One of your spiders spidey senses would have been tingling like

27:11Oti: I guess, so you have to be five five feet away from each other for it tingle. A lot in this movie, actually.

27:18KT: And I I'm not sure if we're for your nitpick reference. But, yeah, it it did get a bit annoying because they'll be fighting and then the spidey senses would go off. And it's like, wouldn't that happen earlier? I'm

27:31Oti: pretty sure there's some people out there who are really super knowledgeable about this shouting. Other podcasters or whatever they're listening to us on saying, it's because of ABC. Well, we don't know that, but to us minions, sound just seems as if it's

27:49KT: you know? No. Just imagine a multiverse. An oversight. Just imagine a multiverse where we say the right thing. Oh my god. You're ridiculous. Right? What about you? So the the normal Peter Parker, there wasn't really any sort of character development. He was more like a catalyst and, like, a reference point for Miles to look up to. And then you have, like, the Peter B. Parker where and it's kind of nice. It's kind of nice to see a hero struggle,

28:19KT: you know, that not everything okay. Not sure if you heard our dog sighing, but I think he agrees. Hard life. Hey, buddy. Hard life, man. But, yeah, it's it's nice to see that there are struggles as well. It is quite sad that his marriage had to break down and he kind of let go of himself. But, you know, sometimes things aren't peachy. And in this particular multiverse, it just didn't work out for him.

28:43Oti: Yeah. And he wasn't ready to have kids or whatever the hell that was.

28:50KT: No. I think it was just some cute sort of commentary.

28:54Oti: No. He really wasn't keen on kids. Do you think that's why he broke up with Mary Jane? Yeah. There is a whole story there. Let's dive into that. There is. He he completely let himself go because he thought that okay. Mary Jane wanted kids, and he wasn't ready. And he just pulled away from all that and which I think is quite dickish because he can all talk about this stuff.

29:17KT: But yeah. How did you turn this into a Nicholas Sparks novel?

29:21Oti: You are welcome.

29:23KT: I am not welcome.

29:23Oti: Give me five minutes and I'll turn it into a Danielle Steel novel.

29:23KT: I don't read a book. I don't understand that reference.

29:31Oti: Come on now. Anyway, moving on.

29:35KT: For for any fans, you are satiated by Oti. You're welcome. For sure.

29:43Oti: But all I was saying,

29:46KT: his We're talking about Peter B. Parker. Yes. And I really enjoyed the dynamic that he had with Miles. It was quite nice. You know, sometimes when you have that back and forth, you know, the you know, the the expert that's begrudgingly following along, sometimes that can become a bit onerous, and it's like, okay. We get it. Let's move on. Teach him something. You know? Like, sometimes films can get like that. But in this particular case, I thought it was great. I I thought it was sharp and it was bitey,

30:19KT: and I really enjoyed their exchanges.

30:21Oti: Yeah. It was quite good. It was quite good. And you could see that Miles actually gave him a little bit of hope or connection, like something that he was craving for or something that he missed and he didn't exactly know that he needed it. Like that vibrancy of life.

30:28KT: Yes. Sucking the marrow out of life.

30:28Oti: Oh, yeah. You love the society.

30:28KT: Yeah. We needed to cover that too. There you go. I'm well read in in a movie sense. And there's our merch right there. But I did. Peter B. Parker, I think, was quite nice, and it it it really turned the head on the happy go lucky Spider-Man that we all know

31:02KT: in this day. Venom didn't make an appearance, did he?

31:04Oti: No. But I don't really care about that. But we do stan a Tom Hardy in this household. Yeah. We do. But Venom wasn't that great a movie anyway.

31:15KT: And we do like Riz Ahmed.

31:17Oti: We do. Where did it seem? It was the HBO, The Night Of. Yeah. I

31:23KT: think that was the first thing I saw was good as his character. I actually hated him for a little while. You know, shout out to you, Riz Ahmed. You seem cool, so you might be listening. It's if you if this is the first time you guys are listening to us, we're called For Your Reference because we reference other things. Cool. Cool. Cool. That's another reference. There you go. So sorry if this bothers you, but it's kind of our bands. It's our wheelhouse. It's our will But

31:54KT: I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed Peter B. Parker. I thought it was quite nice, and I like their little ragtag band of misfits as well. Let's go through them. Who do wanna go through first? You you kind of covered Gwen. Nicolas Cage. Okay.

32:07Oti: Yeah. Let's talk about Gwen because she comes in and goes into Miles High School. Yeah. And Miles hasn't seen her before, and the first interaction is quite hilarious. Miles

32:19KT: Says time is relative.

32:21Oti: It feels like an Oti joke, doesn't it?

32:21KT: Oh, does it? Are you rebranding a KT joke?

32:21Oti: Oh, relativity theory. Yes. Yeah. I feel like I would say that. Was it isn't that how we got together? Yes. It is. Serendipity,

32:37KT: mate. Oh oh oh. Get into it. You know, time is relative. Also, time is nonlinear. I say it as a gripe to a movie I'm not gonna say because I fucking hate it, and I also don't wanna spoil it either. But time is nonlinear is my verbal smoke bomb. Per the center.

32:59Oti: You can mess up any movie and just be like, time is nonlinear, bitch.

33:05KT: Be like be like, that wasn't like, Commissioner Gordon isn't in Spider-Man. Smoke bomb. Time is nonlinear. And and you just you just need to hightail it out of there. Yeah. For sure. But it was nice. And it was a meet cute, which I mentioned a few times. Yeah.

33:26Oti: And she's she you know what? It ruined it. Because in the poster, they have, like, three Spider-Man in there. And they're like, oh, yeah. One one of them is a girl. So pretty much that's Gwen. So when they're fighting and there was another Spider-Man coming out, was like, yeah. That's I think that's her. Yeah. You knew it. You called it. Yeah. But but you don't watch this for spoilers or anything. It's just more of it's really fun, end to end fun.

33:52KT: And something to pick up off on as well, she actually transported into this multiverse, like, into the real world, if you will, two weeks earlier than this whole catastrophe. So they must have been doing some testing as well Mhmm. That went on, which is quite interesting. I guess she was just trying to find her own kind. Right? Because she said that her senses led her to the school. Yeah.

34:19KT: So she wasn't really sure what she was doing, but she just followed her senses. Right? Mhmm. Something that's also quite interesting that I never really thought about, but it wasn't really hidden or shrouded in any sort of secrecy, is, you know, the quintessential Peter Parker was bitten by a spider. These are things we know, unless it's the Peppa Pig one and he gets bitten by a pig.

34:19Oti: What?

34:19KT: But in any case, the pig character

34:19Oti: You're still bitten by a spider.

34:19KT: Oh, don't oh, was he a pig that got bitten by a spider? Oh, sorry.

34:53Oti: Don't get that on pig meeting. Why? Wait. What?

34:53KT: I am going to get my writer's credit, Marvel.

35:01KT: Acknowledge me as your fourth Hokage.

35:06Oti: Well, we already have our fourth Hokage. It would be like the eighth.

35:11KT: Mate, I'm so fast. I stole the title. Oh, time is nonlinear as well. Hey. Thank you. You're welcome. It's For Your Reference. Jesus Christ. Fucking save us. This is derailing. But what I was going to say in regards to that is, yes, Peter Parker got bitten by one spider. It is not really that far fetched to think that there's more than one of those sorts of spiders, and you would kind of have

35:38KT: more than one Spider-Man. Like, that makes complete sense. Yeah. Because it's something that's created in the lab. But what do you think about the, like, zip zap, like, powers that he has, which I I don't know. I I don't know how far this spider hole goes, like, in regards to his capabilities. But the he's like Chidori. Sorry. That's another Naruto reference.

36:03Oti: Are you alright with that?

36:06KT: The the lightning of being invisible, I don't really know whether those are capabilities of Spider-Man or maybe there's

36:06Oti: No. They're not. So every spider is

36:15Oti: created different or from a different lab. So you'd assume everyone's trying their own formula and stuff. So each person that's bitten by a different spider would essentially have different skill sets and different abilities.

36:28KT: Man, you really spun that web.

36:30Oti: You're welcome.

36:34KT: Well, I don't know. It just it just seems like he had a lot of capabilities. And then when he was trying to stick onto things, I thought that was quite arbitrary. But, you know, it it was kinda like a plot device. When they needed him to be incompetent, they kind of had that there.

36:34Oti: I guess it was mostly just show that he was overthinking things too much,

36:53Oti: and he wasn't really confident or he didn't have faith in himself to do these things that come instinctively because Spider-Man is all about his senses and his you know? So it's all natural. Using your body to its fullest potential and trusting your body will do the right thing at the right moment. He didn't exactly have that so there was a little bit of doubt and your body would not respond with that kind of headspace.

37:20KT: If if you guys are listening, ardent Spider-Man fans, please send us a email at hello@fyrpodcast.com or reach us out on the Twitter. There's something pertinent that I do wanna know. You've got those big eyes like you're worried about what I'm about to say. No. It's a genuine it's a genuine cinephile query. Oh, dear. Alright. What was it? So at some point, there there must be a limit to the spider web. Right? Like, he doesn't have infinite amounts of this spider web in his body. Right? He produces it. Like, a spider would

37:58Oti: Yeah. But is it unlimited?

38:01KT: Like or does he need to, like I guess the crux of it is, does his sperm come out like that? It's like me saying I can't

38:09Oti: cum well, probably, I could just the limit of me cumming, but Yes, please. To a point. And that will be our first video podcast, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've actually had people who've died from coming too much or over stroking it.

38:23KT: Is it still considered a happy ending? Oh, no. I'm sorry. I will log off from life. I'm so sorry.

38:31Oti: Well, that's the best way to go, isn't it? Imagine of all the horrible ways you could die, and if jacking off is your is your way to get out of this world, man, sign me up. Halle Berry, you have been formally invited many times on this podcast. If that doesn't entice you, I don't know what will.

38:49KT: No. Imagine And I I will watch. I will gladly watch.

38:57Oti: If I'm terminally ill, if I may how? I'm just saying. Okay. Okay. This is gonna get dark for such a long episode. This

39:06KT: yeah. Right?

39:09Oti: Let's just continue with the movie. Oh, you don't wanna No. I think it's taking to such a weird tangent.

39:15KT: Okay. Tune in next week for a happy ending. What are we doing? Yeah. This is who we are. We love you guys, and hopefully, you guys love us just as much. Let's talk about we've already talked about Nicolas Cage's character. We've also talked about Spider-Ham. Gwen Stacy, there's nothing else you wanna say about her?

39:42Oti: Not really. They have a good connection with Miles from the get go. That's more to do with their spidey senses, tingling each

39:51KT: they had a shout out for a woman Spider-Man.

39:56Oti: Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Surely, in multiple universes, chances are you'd at least have one woman in there. Right? Yeah. Just I want because then you're blatantly. And then there's also a It's a matte

40:14KT: There's also there's also a Kimiko as well. Kimiko san. Ah, Kimiko. And she so obviously, she's a girl as Parker.

40:21Oti: Right?

40:22KT: Yes. Yeah.

40:23Oti: She's quite nice, and it felt quite a bit have some

40:29KT: I'm not gonna call them stereotypes. They did have some classic, like, Japanese slash anime tropes

40:36Oti: as well. It felt a bit Hello Kitty to me.

40:39KT: Yeah. But, like, I don't think it was done in, like, a disrespectful way. Yeah. For You know, like, really like, she was really tiny, and there was a point where she was inside of the pod and she was eating all of these candies as well. And then I was actually really excited because she started speaking in Japanese.

40:56KT: So I thought for the rest of the movie, she'll be speaking in Japanese, but she didn't. No. She didn't. That was very disappointing. She was eating all the candies. You know who who it reminded me of? L? Yes. Oh, yes.

41:08Oti: I feel like I need to we need to rewatch Death Note again. We do. Yeah. With Ryuk. Yeah. Willem Willem Dafoe kind of did an okay job. I am not even gonna talk

41:08KT: You're not acknowledging

41:08Oti: Yeah.

41:20KT: Acknowledging it. Not in your household? And Netflix need to just purge that out of their list. And Netflix need to stop slapping Netflix originals and stuff. We know you didn't do it. Stop being the Drake and the Cardi B of the world. We know you don't write that shit.

41:39Oti: Put it at that that that.

41:40KT: Gonna I'm gonna stop.

41:42Oti: Tell them, Soulja Boy. Are you alright? No. That was Nicki. We fucking love Nicki. No. We love Nicki, but your stance is from Soulja Boy's perspective.

41:55KT: If anyone listens to hip hop, there you go. There's there's a reference there. But, yeah, I I I enjoyed some of the sort of reference points that they had for Peni's character. I wonder if people got offended, but I felt like it wasn't anything you could get offended over. But, you know, it's 2019, and PC babies cry even when they don't know what they're crying about. And she's the only one she's the only one that lost

42:21Oti: the Spider-Man because her Spider-Man power wasn't her specifically. It was more the suit that was The Texan gadgets. Yeah. Her suit had the Spider-Man abilities, and she lost that. But she went back to her universe with the spider, so not all was lost.

42:38KT: Yeah. Yeah. They needed to have some levity. And this was rated PG, and I actually didn't mind. Yeah. Right? And something that I do wanna mention as well, it was such a unique hero sort of movie. I don't think I've been this excited about a movie while I was watching the movie since, like, The Dark Knight. They're worlds apart. Right? Fight me, kids. No. Like, they're they're completely vastly different, but my my satiation, you're welcome. I'm gonna stand by it. Mhmm. My satiation

43:19KT: through watching this movie was very similar to that. I don't remember and it's just me. It's just my personal sort of preference for your preference, by the way. I just don't really care for superhero movies anymore, so it was nice. It was nice to be able to dip my toe in again and not have to worry too much about, you know, the the droning, the constant droning and the forced jokes or the usual sort of Marvel formula.

43:47Oti: Yeah. I understand. I understand where you're coming from. But for me, this was okay. This stood out as a really good movie, and there's been heaps of other good animated movies for different superheroes that have, you know, from Justice League to

44:07KT: X-Men? She said very tentatively.

44:12Oti: No. But, yeah, I understand your point of view. And I know I drag you out to these movies all the time in this cinema. Like

44:12KT: Yeah. You do.

44:12Oti: Go. Let's go watch Avengers.

44:22KT: Fun fact. I think it was Winter Soldier. Right? Apparently, there there was this, like, iconic scene of Captain America holding the helicopter. Oh, man. I fucking fell asleep. And then the next day, Oti was like, oh, I was fucking splooshing over this. I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. And then I see all of these GIFs of not Chris Pine. What what's that motherfucker's name? Chris Evans? Chris Evans. I just see all of everyone is splooshing over this scene, and I fell asleep. I was the only person that didn't understand

44:55KT: what this reference was. But I get it. I I saw the muscles and everything. It's fine. Oh, it's fine. It's not fine. It's just fine. I don't think kids say that anymore. Fine.

45:11Oti: I wasn't trying to be anyone. I'm being me, mate. I can be who I want to be. Just I've learned that, you know, there are multiple universes out there. And in one of them, you're just continuously coming. Yes. Without dying.

45:25KT: Yes. And that's a callback to earlier in this episode. And Spider-Verse also has a few callbacks, which I really appreciated as well. His we didn't even talk about his relationship with his uncle.

45:37Oti: Oh, yeah.

45:39KT: How nice. Until he actually cultivated the relationship with his father, his uncle kind of took the place of that in lieu of, you know, him not being close with his dad. And it was quite nice because he he took the time to get to know Miles, which is a bit different to the dad. The dad was really weird for 2019. He was kinda like our dads, like, OG Yeah. Old school dads of, like, I don't recognize my children having any feelings. Mate, you're there to be seen, not heard. Exactly.

46:11KT: The only time I should see your ass is when you're cleaning the house. Like, oh my god. You're telling me you have dreams and feelings? How dare you?

46:20Oti: You know, one thing that I didn't really get, you know, when Miles pulled his mask off and revealed that it's him Yeah. To the uncle when the uncle's about to kill him or whatever. The uncle put back his mask on. And for a second, I thought he put the mask on so that he could actually just kill him without really any sort of kill. Yeah. I actually thought that as well. And they took that opportunity. Well, Fisk took that opportunity away from him Yeah. When he shot him.

46:51Oti: Because I feel like that's what he was going to do. No. What do you reckon? No. I think it's more like muscle To make it easier. Like, to make it easier. If I can't see you, I'll just pretend it's not you and just bam, get down with it. Nah.

47:04KT: And, again, this is probably just what I wanted, so it's probably not necessarily true. But I wanna believe that in all of the multiverses, he was actually looking out for Miles. That genuinely, that's what I believe what's going like, what was going on. And I don't really know why he put the mask back on, but he did back away. So in that shot. No. He backed away, and then he got shot. In any case, you you say he has this intention. I say he has a different one.

47:39Oti: I didn't say I just said it's a possibility Agree. In all those universes, multiverses.

47:46KT: Do you hear that, kids? It's a sound of backpedaling or flip flopping.

47:51Oti: It's a sign of intelligent discussion, mate.

47:55KT: No. That left a long time ago. So I think there's a South Park episode where they continuously Randy. Of course, it's Randy. He's, like, jacking off the whole episode. Yeah. Dreams come true. Dreams come true. But I I anyway, I just wanna believe that he was looking out for Miles. I'm just going to believe that.

48:18Oti: Yeah. Me too. Me too. I just raised it at a possible scenario that could have happened anyway. I I I hope eventually,

48:27KT: like, Miles reveals to his parents that he is Spider-Man because it would be nice for him to have that sort of support as well. Going back to the uncle, like because it seemed like it was generally accepted. Yeah. Because it was generally accepted that Kingpin was an evil guy. Right?

48:27Oti: No. Because there was the octopus lady, and he was there as well. And then you also have the scene when Miles is fighting Kingpin

49:00Oti: and the dad is cheering for Spider-Man. Just because of what Kingpin had done up until to that point because Fisk created what what was it? They attended this seminar where they're paying them respects to Spider-Man. Yeah. So that's Fisk creating some sort of a fuzzy dart. Exactly. So he's not a bad guy. He's just a well off to do guy, and he's doing he's hosting events to you know?

49:27KT: Oh, well, that well, I had a question, but it's void now. You're welcome. Right? Mhmm. Okay. Well, I think the uncle was a great guy. I I guess it's hard to reconcile that your uncle tried to kill you and he was working for an evil guy, because Miles knew that at least. But

49:27Oti: Well, it wasn't personal. He didn't really know it was Miles.

49:27KT: Yeah. But he was still working for an evil corporation.

49:55Oti: He was. And then again, he said before he died, I was just trying to be I was just trying to make you proud of me. I don't know how what he'd how what the hell he was doing with making anyone proud, but, you know, whatever tickles your calukus.

50:10KT: Yeah. Your phrase or Kenyan mine. Wow. We are learning a lot today. But we are. Whether you can apply it anyway, not so much. But if you do win a quiz show based on any of the banter that we have, we would like half of it. Thanks. In perpetuity. So let's talk about Fisk, Kingpin. Because a lot of the time, if you've listened to a few of our episodes, we do talk about the relatable villain. Yep. Right? And having understandable origin stories. Being like, yeah, if that happened to me too,

50:52KT: I would go on a bloody path of rampage. Yeah. Right? I don't know, man. Kingpin's kind of evil, like, through and through. Right? I don't know what the scenario was, but he was choking Spider-Man out in his own house. I'm assuming it was his own house because the wife and the son walked in while that was happening. So, you know, this guy is out for blood. So I'm not sure what made him that way, but he was kind of like a shark in water, and he had a boner for Spider-Man. Right?

51:27KT: He just he was gunning for it, and he didn't like, even through the movie, like, near the end of it, you're like, stop blaming Spider-Man. Spider-Man is not the reason why, you know, your wife and son aren't here anymore. And I'm like, dude, does that look like the sort of person that takes accountability? Does he look like the sort of person that apologizes when he cuts people off in traffic? No. No. That's the kind of person that would blame bloody Twitter for getting into an accident.

51:57KT: Sorry. That's a reference from Black Mirror.

52:00KT: Smithereens. Andrew Scott, Damson Idris. Go and listen to our Black Mirror episode, guys. But yeah. Yeah. He it's like, okay. If if you look at it on paper and you ignore the the fact that he doesn't care for Spider-Man, well, he has he has a really vehement rage against Spider-Man. Yeah. It's sad. He lost his wife and he lost his son while they were fleeing away from him. It's on paper. That's quite sad. But he kind of caused those events. Yeah. Yeah. He was definitely the curator of his own misery,

52:38Oti: and he should if anyone if he should hold anyone Accountable. Accountable for this. It's definitely just him. Just But he wouldn't.

52:49KT: Him. He's gonna blame the world, be angry at the world. Yeah.

52:54Oti: And he's exceptionally strong. Like He looks strong, though. Miles Miles' blows and until he he he had his father cheer him on, it was like, all his blows and tricks weren't doing anything to him. Well, he was still fairly new.

53:14KT: Yeah. I get that. Even Kingpin was like, the real Spider-Man couldn't tear me down. Are you all trying? Yeah. So yeah. And it was quite sad when they were going through dimensions and he sees his wife and son.

53:29Oti: Yeah. It was sad.

53:31KT: Super sad.

53:33Oti: And he was doing the same thing, so it was just like, yeah. Was.

53:37KT: Thank you. That's another callback. Good for you. So

53:42Oti: in this universe, you left us. Or in another multiverse, when you're leaving us, you're still seeing the same version of oh my god. Yeah.

53:42KT: And another callback that I wanna mention

53:55KT: that was quite cute in this film. So he has a really solid relationship with his uncle, and, you know, he talks about a girl that he's interested in who we later find out is Gwen Stacy. And his uncle tries to, you know, show him how to woo a lady respectfully because it's 2019, but you should respect women whenever. But he was talking about, you know, putting your hand on the shoulder. And do you wanna give us a a nice deep hey? Hey. Oh. Oh.

54:29Oti: Panties are dropping. Oh, I can see. Oh my.

54:33KT: They don't need to know.

54:38Oti: So close. The conditions under which this podcast is being recorded. These

54:44KT: are their stories. Chung Chung.

54:48Oti: Wait. Why win? Why win SVU?

54:53KT: Because it's great. Okay. Let's go back. We're talking about how to. And he tries it, and that is that quintessential sort of teenage angst and, you know, like, going through really awkward stages with the opposite sex or the same sex. We love you guys. We're progressive. And he just really tanks it, and it's really awkward when he says, hey. Right? Yeah. But then later on in the movie, he does the same thing to Kingpin, and it is oh, it is inspired.

55:31KT: It is great. I really I really enjoyed that. It was a nice tasty morsel.

55:36Oti: It really is. It really is when they use a callback quite effectively as they do. You know? Yeah. And it needs to make sense. It does. It does. Because we've watched plenty of movies that use a Martha.

55:52KT: Stupid. That's not a callback, but the rage continues for that.

55:58Oti: Goodness me. You know, you wonder how many people had to sit through, read the scripts, and just think, hey, we're good with filming this. This works. Right? Anyway,

56:10KT: that's a movie for that's a podcast for another day. It is. When the wounds have healed, which will take a while.

56:18Oti: Not even then. Just when the wounds are still festering.

56:23KT: Wow. You're fucking grim today. It was such a light movie. We we talk about really heavy stuff, and then we have some levity, and now we're doing the opposite thing. Let us know. Give us some feedback, guys. I I don't know if I verbally express it on this podcast, but I do say, you know, a lot of the time, not every movie needs a love story. Titanic, case in point. The the whole circumstance surrounding the Titanic is really fucking fascinating. You didn't need to slap a love story in there. In saying that,

57:02KT: in in being old and bitter and in saying that, I I kinda did wanna kiss at the end.

57:10Oti: But they'd just known each other.

57:13KT: Romeo and Juliet only knew each other for three days.

57:16Oti: That's why they killed themselves. It's not healthy.

57:21KT: Well, it was unrequited love.

57:25Oti: This is the levels of stanning you're talking about earlier. Another callback, but anyway.

57:31KT: I stan you in my trophy case.

57:34Oti: Okay. I'll just pretend I didn't hear that.

57:40KT: Okay. Let's start to wrap up now. I just wanted to make a comment, and I guess you can respond if you want to or not. It's your life. Mhmm. So we've had over 20 Marvel movies, and Endgame has closed its chapter even though you really aren't. You're still going to continue, which, whatever, it's it's a it's its own thing. And then we have Tom Holland, the new age, new wave of Marvel movies, and then Scarlett Johansson character is going to come back as well in her own movie. And then you have, like,

58:23KT: Spider-Verse. Do you think at some point it's too much? I enjoyed this movie. I definitely enjoyed this movie. But do you think it's, like, too much now?

58:34Oti: I don't think so. I think you'd always get the Marvel machine trying to cog out as many things.

58:37KT: No. I'm not asking whether they're capable. It's quite clear it's quite clear that they've got the resources to enter

58:49Oti: not what I meant. Like, the stories will need to be told. And

58:49KT: They don't need to be told. They've been told.

58:58KT: They need to take a break.

59:00Oti: But I think what what what have they done with the 20 or so movies we've talked about is they wrote that with Avengers Endgame in mind. Okay. So right now, what they're trying to create post Iron Man, post Captain America is something new.

59:20KT: When when did you have time between now and those 20 movies to drink the Kool-Aid?

59:20Oti: I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. I'm just saying maybe that's their trail of thought. Like,

59:30Oti: movies will need to be made, and this is how we're going to do it. The first 20 batch of movies they've done to try and create something that gives towards some sort of ending. Yeah. And then now with Spider-Man and in a post Iron Man world, we see how this transforms

59:50Oti: and goes into something else. Arduous is my point. Plus, the Marvel universe is so vast, and there's so many characters that we've not even covered yet. They've not even covered yet. So all this and the fact that

59:50KT: Are you leaning in to say that we're going to cover

59:50Oti: No. And the fact that X-Men was also coming into the Marvel universe as well. So there's plenty of stuff that will happen.

59:50KT: Plenty. Well

59:50Oti: It might not be as fresh. It might people might be jaded, but you'll definitely still get people

60:22Oti: making a killing in the movies. Well, Marvel making a killing in the movies. Guaranteed. Yeah. Like, that's that's guaranteed. They're they're obviously going to get their monies back. Plus, we just got we just got Black Panther. Listen to our Black Panther episode, guys.

60:37KT: It is a treat. You'll enjoy it. I don't know. But I I'm gonna be old and bitter, but at the same time, I don't have to go on unless Oti's going to drag me, I don't have to watch those movies. So I guess my outrage would just stop there anyway. But, yeah, that that's just my usual rant of Marvel movies and constant reboots as well. But, you know, that's for another day. Yeah. And let let's let's leave it there. But good for you guys. If you continue to make different, amazing soundtrack, amazing acting,

61:17KT: You know, I I might buy a ticket. We'll see. But, you know, accolades where accolades are due is all I'm saying. Yeah. And we're done, guys. We made it. Congratulations. In all the multiverses oh oh oh, I'm so sorry. I wanna ask one more question.

61:17Oti: Go for it.

61:17KT: And it's not sexual, would you believe?

61:39Oti: Oh, what's the point then? Right?

61:42KT: Let's pack up and go home. Okay. So you've got multiverses. Right? But are they all moving at the same time in history?

61:52Oti: I guess so.

61:54KT: Because everyone's the same age. Right?

61:57Oti: No. Peter B. Parker was a bit older.

62:00KT: See, that's what that's what I'm trying to understand. It that was kind of what I was, like, interested in. It didn't distract me from the movie, but I I was wondering, like, how does this multiverse actually work? Because in in most cases, you're exactly the same, just somewhere else.

62:17Oti: Right? Well, that's what we meant. In most movies, that's how they go with. But then again, every movie has a weird way of. It doesn't matter what your explanation is.

62:29KT: Time is nonlinear, bitches. Smoke bomb. Oh.

62:37Oti: Just watched We Are Family with you know, it's the Fighting with My Family. Fighting with My Family. What did that say? Good was that? Very solid. Yeah. It's a really good movie.

62:46KT: Yeah. Highly recommend it. Want us to do a podcast episode on it and you wanna hear about us growing up and trying the wrestling moves and the people's champ, let us know because it was great. Oh. It was a really nice it was a really nice movie, but let's let's leave it there. Yeah. It could just be my It doesn't matter what your response is. I'm gonna do this for the rest of the night. You know that. It's For Your Reference. And you you

63:17KT: lost your privilege of going first, so I'm going to do it. Okay? This week, if you enjoyed Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and you are a bit younger than us, like, you're still in high school, not to assume that you haven't watched it, but I do strongly recommend Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man. Even though we don't stan Willem Dafoe how dare you? No. I'm not yeah. I'm doing the dance right now. I'm doing the Tobey Maguire dance, and you can't do anything about it.

63:53Oti: You know what? Sometimes people are too serious about movies. Just fucking go and enjoy it. You know? It is what it is. Like, just allow yourself.

64:02KT: Allow yourself the privilege of enjoying something. Stop being snooty mc snoop face. Just calm down.

64:10Oti: You know? I'm not gonna expect Daniel Day-Lewis level of performances on a Marvel or superhero movie. You know? Second to none. Yeah. You get what you get me. Anyway yeah. My reference is Alita: Battle Angel. It's quite good. Nice. Quite good. Doesn't do it justice. It's great. It's about a cyborg who doesn't remember anything about themselves, and they go on a quest to try and find themselves. So it's amazing. It's quite original.

64:42Oti: And if you want us to do an episode on that, let us know. We sure we no. We will do it. Like, it's quite amazing. Get your butts off to the cinema. I think it's still showing in a couple of places. Mhmm. And, yeah, hopefully, it will come on Netflix soon as well. So there's hoping to that.

65:00KT: It's kind of great. This streaming culture, it's kind of great, which we've talked about. But let's finish it off. Thank you so much, guys. If we didn't lose you in all of the salaciousness and the frivolity, Thank you. We appreciate you. You're our type of people, obviously. On Twitter and Instagram, we're @ForYourRefPod. We're kind of on Facebook, but not really.

65:26Oti: Yeah. Oh, by the way, thank you for all sending you love on email, which is hello@fyrpodcast.com. We appreciate it. We try and respond as fast and as detailed as possible. So,

65:40Oti: yeah, continue running in, and we'll see you next week.

65:40KT: Yeah. And thank you so much to everyone that has shown us love on Apple Podcasts. And if you haven't, that's fine. You can still be part of the crew. We can still be best friends. You can leave us a rating and a review if you care enough. See you. Time is nonlinear.