Chucky – Big Ol’ Tilly’s

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0:01KT: Welcome back to another week in the For Your Reference podcast, and we have an ookie spookie Halloween special for you. We are starting off with unguess me. As you've read the title, we are covering Chucky, and we are both going to say what we believe is the best movie in this franchise. Are you ready, Oti?

0:01Oti: Yep.

0:01KT: Three two one. See the Yes, motherfucking. Yes. Now let's get on with the show. Ookie spookie Halloween, friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT.

0:01Oti: And Oti.

1:01KT: And sharpen your knife and meet me at the potluck of single mother, childhood, and voodoo doll trauma. Mhmm. Yes. Yes. Yes, friends and lovers. As we have promised many, many times, for Halloween twenty twenty, we are covering the Chucky franchise this motherfucking week. We sure are. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. We take kindly to your kind around here. It is a very, very special occasion. Shout outs to all of our patrons. You don't have to, but you have the option of watching us right now. Mhmm. And it is an absolutely tantalizing,

1:35KT: super delicious time for Halloween and everyone that loves it. So let's start off with the stats, which is what we do around here. We have pretty much Don Mancini across all of the franchise. Actually, Oti, this is a great question right out of the gate. Do you regard Child's Play 2019 as a part of the Chucky franchise?

2:01Oti: Not really. It's completely different. It's completely different. So I don't regard it as a continuation because they've sort of done a whole complete reboot of the thing. Uh-huh. So it's it still has some Chucky aspects of it, but I do not consider it as part of the OG franchise.

2:22KT: I'm sure Ben from Filmbusters would be very much welcome to hear that. Definitely indeed. Tom Holland was the first director for Child's Play. He vehemently, all the time, has to correct people that he is not Spider-Man's Tom Holland, and he existed before the Tom Holland that we come to know off the top of our head. There is a whole full franchise. There are lots of box office numbers, and there's pretty much

2:51KT: you know, there's a lot in this franchise, and we would be remiss to spend that time on Oti's most beloved childhood classic talking about these figures. So feel free to check out our website page on these stats, or you can also do a little googling and have a look at the IMDb trivia. But we are going to get deep. We are going to get nasty. We are going to get very campy as the franchise gets as well. Mhmm. So let's start off with our first impressions Oti, which is what we do around here.

3:23Oti: If you're a regular listener of the For Your Reference podcast, you might be aware that I love Chucky. Scared and terrified of Chucky. Chucky scared my childhood. Chucky is the one horror villain that encapsulates everything that's scary

3:43KT: Okay.

3:44Oti: About your antihero.

3:46KT: Alright. Okay. I see where you're going. Continue.

3:49Oti: We've compared numerous times Pennywise to Chucky. And what Pennywise fails in, Chucky delivers tenfold. I cannot sit here and say that there's a better character out there other than Chucky. It's the franchise to beat. It's fun. And Don Mancini Mhmm. Goes from strength to strength. He experiments from gore to witty humor to just outright giving us the best characters in it. You've got Jennifer Tilly. There's a level of meta that only community can deliver that Chucky bursts through. Right now, I'm so passionate about this that it's fucking insane.

4:32Oti: So my first these are my first impressions.

4:32KT: Think those are all of your impressions.

4:37KT: I don't know how many more impressions you have, Myla.

4:37Oti: Pretty much. Like, Chucky is everything,

4:42Oti: and everything is Chucky.

4:44KT: Is that the eighties ballad you will die on?

4:44Oti: Yep. Yep. Absolutely fucking ace.

4:44KT: I am here for that concert. I will be like 50 Cent and buy the first two rows of that concert. You know when Lauryn Hill saying everything is you and you are everything? I got the reference. She was thinking of Chucky when she wrote that. So when you say Don Mancini, you're saying he's really the Don.

5:10KT: And there will be no foreshadowing oranges in his direction. No. Not at all. No. That's a Godfather reference. Go and make sure you listen to that. And one of the better morsels in this is in we just watched Jason X recently. Yeah. We did. Shout out to Filmbusters. And they were completely campy, just the same way that Seed of Chucky went.

5:28Oti: Yep. And you could tell the franchises saw the value of that. What Don Mancini put down, others were left to pick up and try and run with. To no avail, though. I feel like there's nothing I can say.

5:42KT: You will defend this until your dying day.

5:42Oti: For sure.

5:42KT: And cutely enough, we do have a Freddy vs Jason episode. If you're feeling even more spooky, you can go and check that out. But wow, Oti. Mhmm. This is literally going to be your podcast because I don't know what I can say to that, to be perfectly honest. Nothing negative. Yikes. Or at least well, you are the edit wizard, so I if I do say something negative, it probably won't make it in, will Mhmm. Okay. So let me get into my first impressions.

6:13KT: I think we've mentioned quite a few times as a brown girl in Australia, I was not allowed to watch horror movies. So any horror movies I've watched consciously in my adulthood. And I never really got around to Chucky. If you listen to the Pennywise episode or the It Chapter Two episode, as well as our Freddy vs Jason, Chucky got more airtime than those particular horror icons.

6:39Oti: Mhmm. Right?

6:40KT: So I never really understood it. I'm like, it's a doll. I also say it in our Trick 'r Treat episode. I've been through shit in my life, so what the fuck is a walking doll going to do?

6:51Oti: A walking doll with bloody human strength.

6:56KT: Yeah. Suppose, but not really. So I guess just in regards to that, I had never watched Chucky, and this particular Halloween season has been all of the chef kisses in all of the holes and all of the places. I fucking love this franchise. If you wanna have a discussion about the scariest, like, shit my pants, shit my mouth, shit my everything, then, no, it's not Chucky. But if we're talking about a wild ride that I am enjoying every single tantalating morsel, then, yes, I fucking love Chucky as a horror franchise,

7:38KT: and Seed of Chucky is probably my favorite horror movie I've ever watched in the history of forever. So I will definitely lay accolades and splooshes in that direction. But to say that Chucky is the scariest horror sort of figure, I definitely disagree. He's on the same level of Sam in Trick 'r Treat.

7:58Oti: Come on now. Come on. I will raise you this Outside of Jason, Freddy, I'm not even gonna consider Pennywise, ain't it? Because you just tell him he's small and he fucking disappears.

8:10KT: Yeah. Like toxic masculinity.

8:15Oti: Chucky is growing up, Chucky was the scariest thing you could ever see.

8:20Oti: It gave me nightmares.

8:20KT: Growing up in Kenya, that was the scariest thing you saw? Imagine that.

8:26Oti: There's fucking farmland, People aren't eating, and yet I was scared of a fucking doll. That tells you a lot about Chucky. Wow. I watched Jason. I was like, Come with me a machete come with me with a machete, mate. We'll see how that goes down. But come with me and Chucky. I'm out. I'm boiled out.

8:26KT: There's there's actually literally nothing I can say to that, honestly.

8:51KT: So before we talk about the themes inside of the Chucky franchise, I wanna talk about the franchise in blocks. Just so we can skim over, we can talk about first impressions, but I definitely really enjoyed this franchise. I don't really know much. Come and fight me. Yes. I'm a movie podcaster, and I will fight you on these Twitter streets. I don't know many franchises that change, you know, tonally as much as Chucky does over the span of decades. We were talking about 1988 all the way through to 2017.

9:27KT: Yeah. That's a lot of fucking yazz, and it's a lot of transformations that we have along the way. So let's talk about them in subsets within the franchise. We've got Child's Play, Child's Play 2, Child's Play 3. Shout out to Catherine Hicks, our lovely mama from 7th Heaven. Mhmm.

9:45KT: I bought it. Like, if we're going to and I'm sure people will fight me because I'm going to reference the twenty nineteen one again. If we're going to talk about, like, a single mother trying to make sure her kid has a great, you know, Christmas without feeling too much of the struggle, I definitely bought that from Catherine Hicks as opposed to Aubrey Plaza. Oh, for sure. And I don't think anyone would say otherwise. And if you do, we're not we're not for that hatred in the For Your Reference household or self hatred,

10:16KT: if you're welcome. So I definitely love the way the franchise was set up in Child's Play. But also at the same time, very much the same with Halloween, I'm not really sure how it became a franchise based off of that first movie.

10:16Oti: What?

10:16KT: Yeah. I know. This is going to be a very divisive

10:16Oti: You cannot compare freaking Michael Myers

10:39Oti: staring down Jamie Lee Curtis to Chucky slaying people. The story of the kid and the mom, how they fight and how he struggles to survive, it doesn't even come close. Halloween is fucking weak compared to Child's Play. Wow.

10:54KT: Child like,

10:56Oti: outside of all the fun that Seed of Chucky brought Mhmm. Child's Play is my UJ favorite in the franchise. Alright. And in as much as Seed of Chucky, as I said, is fun, In Child's Play, you get a very coherent story. You get to feel the emotions. Like you said, it's not easy to build that connection, to show that struggle.

11:17Oti: The same with the 2019 version struggle with Aubrey Plaza and the kid. There were some weaknesses there. Yes. The movie had strengths in terms of what Chucky can expand to be in this technological era. Uh-huh. But in Child's Play, the mechanics of Chucky alone moving, knowing that it's full you know, when a lot of a lot of the times you'd get studios doing animations and whatnot, Child's Play did not. This is all practical effects, mate. Animatronics. Animatronics

11:48Oti: to full effect. Mhmm. And if you cannot appreciate it to such a fundamental level, you are lost, my friend. A friend and lover, I hope. Mhmm. You're not a lover if you don't appreciate it, so I'll just talk to friend.

12:02KT: Yikes. Okay. This this is going to be hopeful character development for Oti. Say something not so positive about this franchise.

12:13Oti: When we continue through the franchises Mhmm. They kind of changed the story. I can't remember which specific Chucky it was, but what

12:23KT: Oh, what do you call that in football or red card? It's been ages. Come on now. We literally just watched the franchise. Fuck you and the doll you claim.

12:39Oti: Chucky will fuck you right back, mate.

12:39KT: I hope so. We literally have a scene of Chucky's so he can't bring it up. Dressed like this, I hope Chucky will fuck me.

12:39Oti: Oh, wow. This is how we're getting into super R ratings, mate. Role play gets tasty, friends and lovers. They do play loose with the origin story, which is an annoyance, but it's not a deterrent. Other than that, if you're going into Chucky, you have to be open. You cannot go in there and thinking, oh, why is Glenda

13:12Oti: running super fast like a human, or how the fuck is he driving a car? Yep. You throw those out the window because you have a fucking person stuck in the doll. So all logic goes outside, and you have to just enjoy it at its base intrinsic level.

13:29KT: Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it's a fucking doll, so you kinda need to suspend a lot of shit. And it it does become a bit nitpicky when you do wanna pick logical flaws on a fucking doll franchise.

13:43Oti: You know, it's not one of those things. Like, you know, with Friday the 13th where Jason will always just come and kill you because you're having sex. I don't know that sex melee that just turns him into a killer rampage. I don't know. Like, with Chucky, you just get a lot of variants that I can't get with other franchises.

14:02KT: Yeah. I know. I've heard that, and you've said it. Child's Play 2, I think, is a very it's on par. I wouldn't say it's better than Child's Play. I think they they mesh very nicely together. If you're going to expand the franchise, which obviously we see, it's a nice way to expand the story. And, you know, we're going to hell, and robot Jesus is the only one in heaven, and we've established that. But it was kind of nice seeing Andy continue to get haunted by Chucky. I don't think we were done watching

14:41KT: poor little kid Andy deal with Chucky as a whole entity. The poor thing was trying to settle into foster care, which, again, on a real level, you know, there there are definitely, you know, a lot that we can do worldwide in regards to adoption and fostering and that sort of thing. But in in a horror movie, I am all the fuck way in. Mhmm. Mhmm. For sure. And it was nice to see the dynamic between Andy and his foster sister.

15:11Oti: Yeah. They bring a lot of themes in this.

15:14Oti: And that's what makes it perfect. Right?

15:14KT: Yeah. I swear to god, if you rate all of these movies 10 and Christmas, I am done.

15:14Oti: Like, you'd be remiss to think that they'd cover topics that touch the

15:25Oti: human level a bit, and they don't shy away from it. Don't mention it takes it on board. Oh, wow. And it takes no. It seriously takes you aback at how a Chucky movie can talk about the dynamisms between, you know, dan dynamisms between foster children, you know, the getting into

15:49Oti: gender identity and how you

15:49KT: Absolutely.

15:49Oti: Feel like

15:53Oti: Jason doesn't care about that thing. Freddy does not care about that. Mike Michael Myers will just tear it down without saying a fucking word. Uh-huh. So with Chucky, you get the cheesy one liners, yes, sometimes. It can get off track a few a few times. Yeah. But that's what the joy of Child's Play is. Yeah. It's all encapsulating. You have to take it all, the good and the bad, and it gets you into horror nirvana.

16:20KT: This is what threesomes feel like, I think, because Oti is over here fucking Chucky, and I'm just in the corner figuring out what to do with myself. This is the bath of voyeurism,

16:31Oti: mate.

16:33KT: I'm not sure what to do with myself or any of my parts. I'm really not sure, my love. But let's continue on to Child's Play 3, which I feel like is the weaker of the franchise. Mhmm. I I guess it might have been nice. I don't know. Again, I've already established that I'm a dickhead, and I'm going to hell. Seeing Andy as an adolescent and him going through military school, at that point, I feel like, okay. This kid's been through enough. Like, leave the fucking kid alone. Alex Vincent doesn't play this particular Andy,

17:09KT: but he does later on, and we'll see him later on in the series. But yeah. I don't know. And it all felt a bit out of place. It felt very Major Payne without Damon Wayans, and I don't want a Major Payne unless Damon Wayans is in it. So don't don't come for me, bro. I don't need that fan. Mhmm.

17:28Oti: Yeah. To me, at least, it felt like they were just trying too hard. Yeah. Absolutely. And Child's Play 3 has its flaws, but it does have some really awesome kill scenes.

17:40KT: Okay. And that's what she gave me, Chucky. But that's not what I'm here for, but anyway. I like I I watch Saw for the narrative, not for the torture porn.

17:50Oti: It does get a bit torture pony when you continue through the series, but with Child's Play, there's a balance. Mhmm. There's a balance that you you're there for. And that's why I, like, that's why I stan this so much. People still say that. Right?

17:50KT: I I believe so. Yeah. I am I am the correspondent of pop culture, and I agree in 2020.

17:50Oti: Did you fucking love Lebowski? Then, yes, you are.

18:16KT: So Hey. That's just your reference, man.

18:21Oti: And that's why you have a podcast called For Reference, man. Are you most welcome? I am.

18:27KT: Okay. So you've you've professed your love for Chucky. You've besmirched Lebowski.

18:32Oti: I think that's a whole episode of For Reference. I think I'm going for a streak where each episode, I'll say something negative about Lebowski. Let's see how that goes. We'll do a compilation at the end of the year. There'll be a coherent narrative.

18:46KT: Friends and lovers, find solace in the fact that Oti is the fucking Donnie of the For Your Reference household. Oh, wow. Yeah. You can take Jesus all you want, mate, then. No. Thank you. I'll take no spiritual slices. Thank you.

19:02Oti: Wow.

19:03KT: Alright. So that is Child's Play in a very Oti pleasurable tangent. Let's move on to the next sort of bracket that I'll mention. So just for reference, if you nest Mhmm. If you're welcome, if you'll pardon the pun, we're all splooshing today. From child's child's place plan from 1988 to 1999, so they were very closely produced, written, directed together. Then we have what I will call the next sort of chunk in the franchise. We have Bride of Chucky that came out in 1998, and then we have Seed of Chucky in 2004.

19:42KT: So there is quite a gap between the two movies, but I would say tonally, they are very similar.

19:48Oti: Mhmm.

19:49KT: So, you know, we we go from straight sort of horror, with a little bit of humor being, you know, integrated from Child's Play 2 to Child's Play 3, but it really pretty much plays as a horror movie on its own. Mhmm. When we start with Bride of Chucky, it does become a bit more campy. It becomes a bit more, incredulous, and there's a lot of fan there's

20:15KT: a lot of fanfare. Yeah. A lot of comedic fanfare. So if you're in for it, strap in, strap on, all of that nasty stuff. If you're not, I guess that could become a bit grating if you're a purist.

20:28Oti: Yeah. And I think the thing with the Bride of Chucky is the introduction of Jennifer Tilly,

20:34KT: who was a fucking breath of fresh air to the franchise. Yeah. She wrote if you're going to redo something, if you're going to continue the legacy of something, you need Jennifer Tilly Oh, yeah. Yeah. In any in any motherfucking case.

20:49Oti: She's the bloody standard. Absolutely. She's the standard. She re she put a breath of fresh air into a Chucky series, especially after the so called downturn Child's Play 3 took. Yep. She brought an essence of fun. She elevated a franchise that I thought was impossible to. Yep. And she's become so synonymous with bloody Child's Play and Chucky that

21:20Oti: I cannot even think of Chucky without Jennifer Tilly in it.

21:20KT: I think they should also call it adults play because I'm sure a lot of adults have played along to her diddly diddlys.

21:32Oti: Mhmm. For sure. And I again, like I said, the level of meta in this, it's so fun. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It's just, you know, when it's not that we only get the sort of voice acting from her after a certain stage in the movie. Mhmm. But her presence, how how Mancini took the wit to a different level Mhmm. I was all in. And I think Bride of Chucky sort of catapulted the franchise into a different stratosphere,

22:03Oti: where now we have yes. We can be campy as much as we can. Mhmm. But what you get with that is pure entertainment. Yep. Adrenaline rush. Skip to Curse of Chucky.

22:17KT: Yep. Well, the Seed of Chucky, which is the best fucking movie in the history of cinema.

22:23Oti: And you get Fiona Dourif. Like, Jennifer Tilly and Fiona just took it to a different level. Yeah. You get to see Fiona who acts her ass off. Absolutely. Absolutely. She acts her ass off to only even see her fully succumbing into or being possessed by Chucky himself. Yeah. And I'm just I'm, like, sitting there thinking, I am so ready for the next one. I'm not thinking about franchise fatigue.

22:51Oti: I cannot wait.

22:51KT: I don't think there's more than that. Are you saying beyond 2017, beyond Cult of Chucky?

22:57Oti: Yeah. Yeah. But then they've started a new sort of franchise just way. To test the waters with Buddi. Side chick. Yeah. Just like a side chick. You know? I'm hoping Don Mancini. Since he was not involved with twenty nineteen one, by the way. No. I think he was initially, and then he dropped off. Because he saw the direction. Yeah. For obvious reasons. And I'm here. I am here just waiting, and I know it'll come eventually. Soon and very soon. We gotta see Jennifer Tilly and Fiona.

23:29KT: Oh, wow.

23:32Oti: Seeing all the Kumbayas you want, that's the one. It's a Mary J. Blige family affair. Absolutely.

23:40KT: And you pretty much finished off the franchise, but I do wanna give some comments to Bride of Chucky and Seed of Chucky. I put them together even though they are six years apart because they do pretty much have a departure from that straight sort of horror, and it does become a bit more ridiculous, but in every tantalizing delicious sense of the word. It does remind me of Scary Movie where it informs very, very early that this isn't going to be a straight horror, and it is absolutely ridiculous, but you are going to laugh every body part off

24:16KT: watching this, especially with, like, the popcorn in Scary Movie. And she's like, to be fair, like, farting is not my sort of humor. I know Oti finally, after a year and a half, you mentioned farting. Teachers fighting. I think it was in our Key and Peele episode.

24:32Oti: Yeah.

24:33KT: I'm not really I'm well, if you've listened to the podcast, I'm all about every sort of humor, even period humor. Mhmm. If you're Colin Firth, Pride and Prejudice nasty. So even though I don't specifically care for fart or potty humor, Scary Movie informed very early that this was going to be a ridiculous film, and I was bought into the ridiculous sort of premise. And so very much the same with the Bride of Chucky.

25:02KT: You know, it started to inform to us that this isn't going to be Child's Play. You know? We've also got Chucky in the name of the film. Yeah. So we know what we're getting into. We know what we're tantalizing. We know what we're sinking our teeth into. Mhmm. So it becomes a lot more campier. There's a lot more fanfare, and it's a lot of fun. It's very campy, and it's a lot of fun. I personally didn't really care for Bride of Chucky as a holistic film. I fucking love Jennifer Tilly.

25:35KT: My first reference of her was being Bonnie on Family Guy where she was pregnant for, like, eight seasons, which makes more sense now that I've watched Bride of Chucky and her character in the franchise. But I loved getting to know Jennifer Tilly. I love getting to know her Tilly's. Mhmm. Her big ol' Tilly's. Mhmm. And it really introduced what the potential would be moving on from the franchise as we know it. Oh, yeah. And I guess going into Seed of Chucky specifically before we go into our themes, I absolutely fucking love it. To have

26:13KT: a poignant, normalizing conversation about gender identity in 2004 excuse me. Who gave you permission to be so fucking progressive, Don Mancini? This was also his directorial debut, and we are all most motherfucking welcome. Mhmm. There is there there's no more that I can say that isn't praise in regards to and in the direction of Seed of Chucky.

26:43Oti: Agreed. Fully agreed. And I think I think one of the best things about this is we get to expand a world where we get issues that are never really covered, that are never really covered in horror movies Yeah. Where you get the franchises, where we get people who don't even really speak that much. Mhmm. But in Chucky, he's vocalized, mate.

27:07KT: Yeah. Absolutely.

27:09Oti: So there's a tool where we get to experience a level of interaction with this villain Mhmm. In a way that we won't be able to in another franchise.

27:20KT: Yeah. Absolutely.

27:23Oti: How Without it being a joke. Without it exactly. Without it being a joke. Yep. So laugh, cringe as you may watching it Mhmm. There's still a bloody message to it. And at the end of the movie, that's the only takeaway that it'll stick with you. Yeah. And you're like, fuck. Did Chucky just enlighten me a little bit more?

27:47KT: If Chucky is more progressive than your family members and your closest friends, then you need to have a real talk with them friends and lovers. Mhmm. Mhmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. So let's move on to, I guess, the last chunk of the franchise, and we're talking about Curse of Chucky and Cult of Chucky in 2013, 2017, respectively. Mhmm. So we've kind of gone back to straight horror, but with everything that was magical and fun about Bride of Chucky and Seed of Chucky. Yep. So Curse of Chucky introduces Fiona to us Yeah.

28:22Oti: And her really, really pathetic family. Yeah. And one of the better things is seeing the seeing her family being killed off. Yeah. Just because of how awful they are. Absolutely. She is bound to a wheelchair, deprived of any sort of living or any sort of romantic thoughts. Her mother quickly shuts it down saying he's only he's only doing it for for pity

28:51Oti: or to just be nice. He tells me he could never really love you. What a jealous fucking bitch. I was like, at the start of I was just cringing. I'm like, Chucky cannot come to this house quick enough. Yeah.

29:04Oti: And I was really intrigued at where at least I was fascinated to see how they'd make the story because I thought, okay. This is an interesting angle. What are they gonna do with Fiona's character? Yeah. What are they really gonna what are gonna push the boundaries, or is this just gonna be one of those things where they'll do Chucky killing her brutally or something? Yeah. And the way transpired just blew me off rails, and I was like, cool. This is what I'm here for. Yeah. And to progress it further

29:35Oti: into the Cult of Chucky. Mhmm.

29:37KT: Oh, so good.

29:40Oti: Wait. Because at the end at the end of the Cult of Chucky, who comes back, darling? Who comes back?

29:47KT: Andy fucking Barclay.

29:49Oti: They bring back Andy.

29:51KT: That's a lot of Andys for the bank Mhmm. If you'll understand the reference. Before we get carried away in Oti's Chucky splooshes, I do wanna focus on Nica's mom for a second. Mhmm. How fucking small are you as a person that you need to put down your disabled daughter? Yeah. You couldn't let her have that one fucking moment?

30:14Oti: Mhmm.

30:15KT: Fucking trash. Trash. Trash, indeed. Control shift, delete, you fucking ass. But, yeah, like you said, at the end of Curse of Chucky, we get a very delicious moment with the legitimate Alex Vincent, Andy Barclay. Mhmm.

30:33Oti: And I remember watching you there for the first time.

30:35KT: But did you know it was him? Was kind of like that Family Guy cutaway with Ratniki, the guy that plays Chicken Little. There's a whole reaction off camera of what happened to you?

30:52Oti: I knew it was Andy, and I was so pumped. Mhmm. And I remember just screaming at the house, and I think my mom was like, what the fuck are you doing? So it's one of those things that I was fully entrenched into seeing Andy and the fact that we've progressed so far into the franchise. Yeah. And to see a familiar character being brought in. Mhmm. Because he knows adult. He knows. And you can you can imagine the sort of levels of the mental gymnastics he's asked to go through Absolutely. To bring himself to a

31:28Oti: functioning state considering what the fuck he went through. It was the perfect time to bring that trauma to end his time. Exactly. When no one else believed the hell out of him. Yeah. Who would anyway, to be fair? Well, would that really be at the forefront of your Tinder profile? Surely not. Yeah. I'm not well, his name was super publicized. So the minute he tells people his name, you you're pretty much like, oh, are you that guy?

31:54KT: You're super cool guy. But it is. It's it's definitely a lot, and it would be interesting. You know, a lot of the time, especially now in 2020, you know, the we're getting deprived of those cinematic sort of experiences where you are in a physical location, where people are collectively experiencing the film with you. And it would have been a very interesting visceral experience to see Andy Barclay again.

32:24Oti: Oh, yeah. He's fully entrenched into the CP universe, not the colored people universe, but the Child's Play universe.

32:24KT: Did he say not the colored people.

32:33KT: Haven't we been through enough, Oti? You're going to take our CP away?

32:33Oti: Oh, the CP universe, mate.

32:41Oti: It's been officially formed and founded. Anyway

32:46KT: No. You're not just going to casually take away CP time from the CP people. Oh, man. CP Universe exists. Let me get my leather jacket ready. How fucking dare you, Oti? How dare you? Mhmm. You're most welcome, by the way. This is by the way, I can confirm this is the biggest direction Oti has had recording our podcast episodes. I feel like we've peaked. At least for you, podcast professionally, we fucking peaked.

33:17Oti: Yeah. Doing a franchise that I super love, that is fun, that's been there for ages, and it still maintains a level of freshness that most people could only dream of. So it's the expectations of going into it knowing that don't take it too seriously. Yep. Enjoy what you have and just go along. Yeah. Many a times we get too bogged down with fucking details. Yep. And logic. Yep. And facts. Yep. And loopholes.

33:45Oti: Yep. That we forget to see the bigger picture. And the bigger picture with the Child's Play universe, the CP universe is

33:51KT: You really okay. Fine. Strong characters.

33:56Oti: Strong characters. Beloved characters who are fighting for the greater good amidst all the psychological barriers, beliefs. Everyone can believe that there's a man in a bush hacking people. We used to have this tale back in my primary school where we had this woman in this in the gardens who would pretty much chase us around. And it's it's one of those things you're like, yeah. We're running around from a woman wielding a machete. Woo hoo. It's fun. But where in your lifetime or in your childhood would you be able to reference a doll possessed

34:33Oti: by a killer soul spitting voodoo as if it's it's you know, voodoo was one of the most scariest things in African culture that I ever ever experienced. Witchcraft and all that, it being instilled into this in this way, it bore a a level of resonance in me that just catapulted my fear factor by a billion. I was there for the joy and the thrills and the fun.

34:33KT: You know, we talk a lot about

35:04KT: discouraging Oti from his screenplays. But how the fuck has the world not experienced groundskeeper Willie in Kenya? With a fucking machete?

35:17Oti: Oh, with a bloody machete, mate. And she used to be all Jason.

35:17KT: Then why were you scared of Chucky? Was she a doll?

35:25KT: I don't understand. You are going through some real shit, and you were scared of a doll. I need someone's thesis, friends and lovers. We talk about everyone being so learned that anyone that listens to this podcast, please send me your thesis about how an Oti can be scared of a doll even though he had a groundskeeper, Willie, with a machete.

35:50Oti: Mate, Sam and Dean have gone their entire lives killing machete wielding people and demons. Throw a voodoo doll in there into the mix, and they freak the hell out. But has Danny Trejo been on Supernatural? Probably not. It's just a matter of time. He's been in everything.

36:08KT: But we're almost welcome, are we not? Oh, for sure. For sure. But let's let's stay in that world because that's one of the themes that I wanted to talk about today, and it's Chucky in general. So if we regard the first seven films, the Don Mancini joints, if you're Spike Lee, welcome. There is I guess the premise of Chucky and the believability, if that's what you wanna call it, is that it's through the way of voodoo. Right? In the 2019 version of Child's Play, it's Chucky becomes because of technology.

36:43KT: Mhmm. So I wanted to talk a bit about that as well. And since you brought it up, voodoo, the actual word voodoo. You know, friends and lovers from all around the world, we fucking love you, and we invite you to sit on our Jupiter's cocks, whatever subtitle you would like to adjust that to. But the word voodoo, is that do you know what language that originated from? And is voodoo actually something in Kenya, or is it a variation of?

37:12Oti: I think voodoo essentially comes from the Caribbean Islands. Okay. But witchcraft and all that is intrinsic in the African cultures. It's universal. It's bloody universal, and you get all these things and all these beliefs that what eroded once colonialism came into place, and you know what? It still holds a place where people will believe it. Yeah. So it plays a big part in when you're growing up and you're being taught about cultures and all that, and you come across witchcraft and and witch doctors,

37:53Oti: and it puts a fear in you. It puts a fear in you of the unknown and what exactly can transpire because you can't really explain this stuff logically. So when you hear stories of someone put a bottle of oil under their bed and then their wife or their husband passed away and then amalgamated another family altogether, it's fucking scary. But those are so many there's so many commonplace stories like that Yeah. That it puts a fear in you of the fucking unknown.

38:24Oti: So to me, Chucky had already a leg up. Okay. Because I can explain someone with a fucking machete. I can explain someone with knives for fingers, at least in my head.

38:24KT: Knives for fingers? What kind of fucking struggle childhood did you have, my love?

38:24Oti: No. It's just about a wiki in it, logically.

38:42Oti: It's a fucking physical weapon. Chucky is coming at you from a different angle. It's the mental psyche of it all that gets to you fast before anything else. And I think the place where that gets explained in such a brilliant way is Child's Play 3. And as much as it was a crap rin crap movie to some degree, the scene where the who was it? I think it was the guy that led the school or whatever. Can't remember. But

39:08Oti: the mere fact that Chucky was just there standing wielding a fucking knife was enough to give him a fucking heart attack, and that's the level we're looking at. Yeah. Absolutely. It it transcends the mere levels of weapons and people coming at you with fucking burnt faces because this is something you can't explain logically in your mind, so it puts it it it makes you irrational. It makes you behave irrationally. Okay. And once that happens, then, me, you might as well be dead. Okay. So

39:40KT: okay. I I really don't know what to say to that, to be perfectly honest. I am going to let you have that. Is what is that what they call in football, a free penalty? I don't know. I've never heard of that before. Okay. I'll call it the CP penalty. How about that? Better. It's a callback, friends and lovers. Go and listen to twenty, thirty minutes of rambling, of Oti.

40:05KT: But let's continue on on the themes that we have in the franchise. We kind of talked about it already, but I wanted to talk about the tone of the movie, how it goes from straight horror to camp back to pretty much straight horror, but also with the same sort of sense of humor that we had in the campiness. Mhmm. How did you feel tonally overall about it?

40:24Oti: Oh, I I enjoyed it because Don Mancini tried to do something different every time. Outside of the first three Child's Play, he tried something different. Yep. Well, Bride of Chucky tried to introduce a little bit of humor. And a Seed of Chucky, it was just full blown fucking different from what we've been used to. Uh-huh. So it went you didn't really know what to expect on what angle Mancini would take. And I think that's what the best things about this is. Okay. And the themes that they'd cover,

40:57Oti: you know, whether or not you agree with some of them or not, but at least it's being put out there in the ether. So I fully respect that factor of the franchise, and I understand the level that it takes to do that at least.

41:11Oti: What about you?

41:11KT: I thought it was interesting. You know, a lot of the time, I am the anti sequel queen, if you're nasty. So I I do think it would be a different experience living within the duration of the Chucky franchise. But because I pretty much joined it right at the end, I didn't have to wait. I didn't have to have the emotional attachment to particular movies

41:37KT: and experience the tonal change of it. So I was fine with it. I I would say if I were to rate it, Seed of Chucky, 100%, is my favorite of the franchise, but Cult of Chucky would be my next favorite.

41:37Oti: But the thing is also not to take yourself too seriously, and I think that's where we get Jason X in

41:57Oti: the Friday the 13th franchise where they try to be super different. And I think one of the better scenes in that involves Onomeo's Piramenza.

42:06KT: Yeah. Where he

42:09Oti: gets stabbed once, he's like and he says, do you think this will take an old dog down? It'll take more than this. And then he gets stabbed again, and he's like, oh, yeah. That would do it. And that's what you live for. Imagine watching that in the cinema, in the theater, and everyone just busting a gut. You know? That's what you do. That's what movies are for. So it's one of those moments where you capture the the be it incredibly ridiculous, be it poignant,

42:43Oti: incredible be it, I see dead people sort of moment. That's what you live for. Yeah. And I believe Chucky tries to play along with it, tries to give you those one off moments that will make you remember and reminisce afterwards.

42:58KT: Wow. You are coming for all of the franchises, my love.

43:01Oti: No. I'm just amalgamating it, whatever it is that Chucky does with a lot of other things that I love. It's not that I'm bringing anything else down with it. I'm just trying to elevate all of them in terms of, hey, Chucky has done this, and you are treading this sort of sad, and I think Jason X tries to be the more campy cousin. And to a level, people would say, this is not the Friday entertainment. This is not the Jason that I know and love.

43:28Oti: But, mate, it's all about trying new things and experiencing things with the characters that you've known for eons and to accept a level of fun and comfiness and the whole heartedness of it all, and I was there for it. I just love it all. And I think that's why I watched horror so much growing up because one of the better fast movies was Child's Play. Mhmm. You know? And when you go from Child's Play to either be The Omen or The Exorcist, you always come back to Child's Play because you'd

44:05Oti: you'd get a sense of relief, fun, humorous side of things that you wouldn't really get in the others, and it breaks that down for you. So if you're on if you're late adopted to the such as the horror genre and you're trying to find a good gateway to it all, I think Child's Play is one of those. It's the Naruto of the horror franchise.

44:27KT: Oh, thank you for the delicious anime reference on our Halloween special, Oti. It is most welcome, and you are always most welcome in all of the places. Yeah. Thank you. Literally, every time you talk, I'm like, what can I add to this? Because this is definitely your show to shine, my angel. Mhmm.

44:49Oti: Yeah. It's just that I grew up a lot watching these movies over and over again. And you always go back to Child's Play no matter the season weather, and it's one of those things that always played in our in our in our TV stations for some reason. Mhmm. When it wasn't showing It's a Wonderful Life, it was Child's Play.

45:13KT: Still the long standing oldest film we've covered on this podcast, the nineteen forties. Right? Yeah. So it it may I love how you bring that up. That is delicious. Mhmm. But let's move on to another theme that we have. This one isn't as heavy. It's more about the design of Chucky and which design you preferred over the franchise. Oh. So I I would say, I guess, Child's Play pretty much has a very innocent looking doll that is suitable for children. Bride of Chucky, Seed of Chucky is pretty much mangled

45:49KT: all the way up. He had a c section all over his face. And then Curse of Chucky, Cult of Chucky in particular, it's all different variations, which is very cute. Again, we love being deliciously meta, and we see all different types of Chucky in the Cult of Chucky. And I guess, you know, the general sort of question, if you wanna bring in the 2019 version as well, which version did you prefer the most?

46:15Oti: I prefer the nonmangled face one, where Chucky is just a bit of cute to a degree, but there's some menacing emotions and facial expressions in there. Okay. The one that he has all his face all scarred up and whatnot, it scared me as a kid, but rewatching it now as an adult didn't really do that much for me. Okay. I appreciated Bo when he was just plain old Chucky, looking cute when he can be, but creepy as hell.

46:44KT: Okay. That makes sense. Mhmm. I understand. I and having a face that you don't expect saying ridiculous, vulgar things is something that Oti has witnessed over these ten years.

47:00Oti: Yeah. There's something about watching a a face that's so messed up or supernatural. We just watched Jeepers Creepers recently, and, like, that creature thing just didn't do anything for me. Yeah. You know? Jason takes his mask off. He's like, hip his mask on, and there's some I don't know. There's some ominous energy in there that you're like, oh,

47:23Oti: I wonder what's in there. Alright. And that's the scary bit of it. All the scars and whatnot trying to make him look menacing and scary. No, man. Make him look as simple as and that's the scary bit of it because you don't know what to expect. Okay.

47:37KT: I'm riding the wave that you're splooshing out to me. Mhmm. I get it. Let's talk a little bit about Andy as a character.

47:46Oti: Oh, man. For a child performer to do the what he did in Child's Play, because we were rooting for him from the get go.

47:46KT: Oh, absolutely.

47:46Oti: But I was also enjoying Chucky and

47:58Oti: his comeuppance.

47:58KT: But, yes, I agree. Yeah. For sure.

47:58Oti: Like, he's

48:03Oti: I really, really enjoyed his performance. Yeah. And it's one of the things that made me even fall in more in love with the franchise when he came back as a character in the Curse of Chucky. You know, that continuation lineage is just what makes great movies and TV, you know? Mhmm. So I was all in. I was all in with Andy. He is a great character. At least he understands

48:27Oti: Chucky to an intrinsic level, and there's that always sort of bond. You know, when they they were trying in the 2019 version and they said that Chucky had already imprinted

48:36KT: imprinted That's a Twilight reference. Yes.

48:40Oti: So t. Yeah. Andy's the OG imprint mate. So

48:45KT: On a baby?

48:46Oti: Same as Twilight. Nice. So it's Not nice, actually. Yeah. Actually, that's that's a bit level of creepiness that we're not gonna delve into, but I loved I loved I loved Andy.

48:58KT: Don't you love how we watched Borat 2, and they were shipping grooms off, and it was going to Kevin Spacey? That one's for Borat 2, but you should definitely watch it. It is definitely I I didn't know I would love it going into it. I thought it was going to be the same thing, but I really enjoyed it.

48:58Oti: I enjoyed it too. It just

49:19Oti: being Sacha Baron Cohen is so recognizable now, I wondered what it will be. Of course, some of it is scripted, but it was fun nonetheless.

49:19KT: Let's say the CP universe

49:30KT: merged with the SBC, Sacha Baron Cohen universe. Would Chucky and Borat be friends? If you weren't expecting this motherfucker's friends and lovers, you're most welcome. Would they have been friends, Oti?

49:30Oti: Oh, a Chucky

49:43Oti: Cohen joint mate. Yes. Yes.

49:47KT: That's what you're living for. Wow. Is is that most welcome? Are you most welcome? Yep. Yep. But Andy was definitely a very compelling character. It was nice to have that continuity in the franchise. No shade, but some shade. I didn't realize it was the same actor from Child's Play. I actually had to look it up. Mhmm. Because you kind of grow out of your features as a kid. Right? Yeah.

50:13Oti: Yeah. But once you look it up, it it it's one of those, woah. And you have to watch it again so that you can get that you can appreciate that moment he reveals himself again even more.

50:25KT: Yeah. And the fact that he because I think a lot of the time, especially within Cult of Chucky, we were trying to ascertain what this world meant if there was more than one Chucky. Right? Because at the end of Curse of Chucky, we see the Chucky being mounted. Mhmm. Right? And but then we also start to see other Chucky's, especially in the, I would say, the second of the three acts in Cult of Chucky. And we're trying to ascertain what does this mean. If there's more than one Chucky,

50:57KT: how, like, how far does this span in OTCP universe?

51:02Oti: Oh, yeah. It just introduced a a level of complexity that I did not expect. Yeah. And it took Chuck it it made endless possibilities how this would work. Yeah. You know? Now you can keep Nica in there. Uh-huh. You can keep Tilly in there and have multiple, multiple Chuckys. Yeah. And it being voodoo, there's no fucking limit. Yeah. You know?

51:26Oti: There's no limit on what you can do with it. So it was it was just a matter of time of how Don Mancini would make it transcend into that level. Uh-huh. Because, yes, you can possess a body, but you could also replicate a lot of things. So Mhmm. I was very into it.

51:42KT: Nice. And I do feel like just for the ardent adoration that you have for Don Mancini, you should ask him as to why there isn't a Chucky with a machete.

51:52Oti: Oh, it's coming. It's coming. Yeah. It's all right. Parallel universe out there. Yeah. Once you get a flash vase of Chucky that can run and open a time a time space continuum.

52:10KT: I'm giving you another red card. No one fucking cares about Flash.

52:10Oti: Everyone cares about Flash. Is Chucky the Flash of the horror franchises?

52:21KT: At least you didn't say Aquaman so you get a pass.

52:21Oti: Flash is awesome.

52:21KT: But we do love James Wan

52:27KT: in the For Your Reference household. Definitely in deed. So there you have it, friends and lovers. Thank you so much for joining us on our ookie spookie Halloween special of 2020. Also, special shout out to our Patreons. Again, you don't have to, but you have the opportunity to watch this video. We are finishing off in a segment we call For Your Reference. Oti.

52:53Oti: I am gonna reference all the bloody Chucky movies. Just go and watch it. There's nothing else I can put in there that would come even close.

53:01KT: And for those that would like a linguist lesson, that is what we call a wanker.

53:11Oti: Bloody hell. To Pop a wanker.

53:15KT: In between is reference. And to satiate you even more, I will reference the 2007 anthology masterpiece with Brian Cox, Trick 'r Treat.

53:29Oti: Get out of town, man.

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