Beef – Coming of Rage

Full transcript of Beef – Coming of Rage.

0:00KT: Sorry, I thought this was another week in our the Shield episode. It's another week in the foyer reference household, and it is another week of unchecked Ram Paige, oti, are you ready to do some yelling?

0:18Oti: I always am.

0:20KT: Any, any topics you want to have a fight with?

0:23Oti: Only everything.

0:24KT: Wow. Okay. Phoebe Robinson's, everything's.

0:31Oti: That's the energy I bring.

0:34KT: Well, that's a great way to start the palette. Let's get on with the show.

0:58Oti: ah and oti,

1:00KT: Reverse out of personal responsibility and shift in to conditional.

1:15Oti: nice

1:16KT: Ooh,

2:24Oti: Wow.

2:26KT: in the house.

2:28Oti: I

2:28KT: even dabble in walking in the dead in the house.

2:32Oti: You didn't even like banging bro.

2:33KT: Nope. In the house. Segue, oh, I've got a lot of time for Stephen Young Twilight Zone in the house.

2:43Oti: Mm-hmm.

2:43KT: got a lot of time for this man. Andy sings alt rock. In a Jesus sort of way.

2:53Oti: Yeah.

2:54KT: The Jesus, that's how my Jesus.

2:58Oti: Eden, no. Creed was, um, Jesus was part [00:03:00] of Creed.

3:04KT: Uh, continuing on, we will get to the episode. Friends and lovers just ride this Splu she Ulta train. We are going on right now, Stephen Yan, Ali Wong, Joseph Lee, young man Zino, who I was very exci. I'm, I'm very excited to see future works of young men. And also the, I would say Umbrella Academy, but he was giving me Raven Ben vibes, Justin h Min.

3:30Oti: Yeah.

3:36KT: Um, this, if we talk about, um, shows that got a lot of like viral sort of attention and obviously that doesn't equate to marketing even, even though I'm sure there are some learned friends and lovers will tell us there's like vertical integration of advertising in that sort of thing. But, um, let's get into first impressions.

4:07Oti: Beef serves up a delicious mix of comedy and drama. The escalating rivalry captivates as they delve into each other's lives.

4:33KT: Okay. Alright. Um, it's all, I always love to hear when we get to the end, um, of a watching experience, what your thoughts are going to be. Um, and you know, there's definitely different sides.

5:34Oti: I agree with that

5:35KT: You can do the work or you can ade the work out of here.

5:38Oti: Um, I think everyone was flawed, as we all are. Mm-hmm. And it was refreshing to see where a world where characters are allowed to be in that shitiness. Yeah. And live with the consequences as well. Uhhuh. And I think so many times we tend to find these, uh, nicely gift dropped endings.

6:04KT: Hmm.

6:04Oti: I

6:07KT: it handled it well. Except for the

6:11Oti: no, but seriously, every we got Amy and Danny's character faced the most extreme consequences of their actions. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the last minute. Everything. Up until that point,

6:24KT: didn't agree even before the end, but yes.

7:52Oti: Mm-hmm.

7:53KT: The ones that you know aren't going to cause a ruckus. The ones that aren't necessarily, you know, going to be the ones that get targeted, um, in ways that perhaps black and brown or, you know, other people would be as well.

8:13Oti: Yeah.

8:13KT: As the PI in the aa. Um, I definitely understand the nuance that we're traversing here. Um, and I guess even if we, even if we think to recent cinema, or even if we go back a couple of decades, the betrayal of, well, a lot of, um, You know, a lot of minorities, it, it wasn't necessarily at the hands of our own right.

8:57Oti: well. Yeah. And, and we always say, one [00:09:00] can tell a story better than your own.

9:08KT: takes.

9:08Oti: Yeah. Yes. The characters can be shitty too, but there's a care for the characters as.

9:14KT: Interesting. I might disagree with you

9:17Oti: Oh, really?

9:18KT: Yeah, you know me,

9:19Oti: Oh, disagree away.

9:21KT: I want to get in the ring. Um, but you know, even sort of like little sort of, um, you know, sort of throwaway comments that perhaps those, those that aren't aware or aren't paying attention, like there was even a comment, um, where.

10:10Oti: Come on now.

10:12KT: I'll, I'll come off. That's what she does.

10:14Oti: Do Hardy's fair shell shitiness as

10:17KT: I will come on and I will get off just like she did with the gun pow power o t straight shooter in the foyer reference household.

11:07Oti: Right.

11:08KT: Um, but I kind of wanna talk about that because this show as, as serious and as straight. If you're, pardon in the, pardon. As the characters play it, like Danny and Amy specifically, there are some high jinks. Wacky races, ridiculous sort of moments like tonally, there was some sort of ridiculousness that was accepted and that was going on inside a beef.

11:43Oti: the captain, Like

12:00KT: oh boo.

12:01Oti: I could stretch my imagination a bit, you know, and give a bit of Lee.

12:06KT: We get it. You got the biggest imagination in the room. Stop whipping

12:09Oti: be our routine.

12:10KT: We get it. It's interesting because you know, there are many hundreds of episodes, many thousands of minutes worth of me going on a fucking rampage. Over stupid fucking films, right?

13:23Oti: Hmm.

13:24KT: It's kind of like swarm as well. You know, swarm is, swarm is definitely adjacent to [00:13:30] the Atlanta verse. Um, internally, whether Atlanta works for you, whether swarm works for you, it definitely gave me the same sort of feeling, which I, I guess also coincidentally is another example of storytelling that is being told and expanding the experience and the representation of Black story.

15:44Oti: you compare her to Dan

15:46KT: Nearest?

15:51Oti: Wow.

15:52KT: She's flicking O bean outside of the castle window. That's a House of Dragons reference friends. Love is going check out our episode because she constantly, she constantly trampled on everyone and everything in her proximity, which is absolutely fine. And you know what? I'm also gonna throw in, good luck to you Theo Grande.

16:17Oti: Wow.

16:18KT: Amy's character only works because she's a.

16:22Oti: Okay.

16:23KT: We talk about different dynamics and having different ways of representing, but you tell me, if [00:16:30] Amy were to be George and George was the one with all of his road rage and then fucking the, I guess, um, the other person's sister, would that be okay? Fuck off.

16:42Oti: George Cheated as well.

16:44KT: Emotionally.

16:46Oti: Some say that's the worst kind of cheating,

16:49KT: It was a dark tie, but you No, but you see what I'm saying? We're saying give women the same, you know, echelon of roles, but she only has this character because she is a woman. A lot of, there's a lot of graces that are given to Amy that are not given to Danny in this show. And I'm talking about a writing point of view if we're talking about performances.

17:26Oti: Okay. I, I'm gonna slightly disagree there because

17:30KT: Feminist OT in the

17:31Oti: I don't think it has to do with, with Amy being a woman, it has to do with Amy being rich.

17:41KT: but she not rich.

17:48Oti: She is wealthy and Danny is not. And I think the classiest aspect of it is what makes Amy feel like she can walk over or get away with as many things as possible.

17:59KT: She's a [00:18:00] fucking Terrence Howard character.

18:04Oti: Yeah, and Terrence Howard has money as well, so,

18:08KT: okay. Ot, Lucius Lion. I'm just saying if he had a male character that instigated, I guess, well, let's, let's agree now, or let's not agree.

18:34Oti: Actually, lemme walk that

18:35KT: Chase after. No, it's too late now. Editing exists. AI exists. Chat, G B T exists, but this will exist in its whole entirety.

19:22Oti: stops being cyber catfishing or cyber anything.

19:28KT: Oh well, nothing was of [00:19:30] material value to me but you, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Right. This is, this is like the reason why Magic Mike has a demographic. This is the reason why E Pray love has a demographic. This is the reason why I love Emma Thompson, but this is the reason why people love good luck to you, Theo Grande. Without realizing, as older women, we do have a responsibility and we do have the stewardship of our own sexuality via Beam.

20:10Oti: I couldn't disagree more, man. I feel, I feel like you are, you're taking the frustration around the chicken toll between Amy and.

20:22KT: we can leave it at this point because we definitely don't agree, but I would make it very clear that this doesn't happen the other way.

20:38Oti: Yeah. And just my final word on this, Amy, all Amy does at the start of the confrontation is ho. Danny Text is way above

20:48KT: this feels like the episode in Avatar, the last air Bender of the Tales of BA Sing.

20:54Oti: That's

20:55KT: what this feels like. Cause you were watching a different show to me, [00:21:00] sir. Like Amy Lao was on her promising young woman tip. That's what she, that's what she was doing in this. Um, but if we go back to the theme of go to therapy, um,

22:48Oti: Mm-hmm.

22:49KT: I, I'm pretty sure it was after that moment, but she was talking to the therapist and she was saying, you know, all of these sort of circumstances, she even talks, she even puts George on a pedestal.

23:24Oti: concern.

23:26KT: And

23:51Oti: I don't know. I think, okay, so I understand that. And a green. But how many people have seen their parents [00:24:00] cheat and have to hold that secret

24:02KT: Ooh,

24:02Oti: childhood? I'm just saying it can mess up. It can mess someone up.

24:08KT: Where's your, where's your name in these credits? He hurt.

24:18Oti: mess someone up. Oh. Amy had to hold that secret. She felt like she couldn't tell the mother.

24:24KT: Yeah.

24:25Oti: Despite the mother knowing what had transpired, she kept on, you know, being together because she saw life wasn't just narrowed down to that. Then whatever. Cool. That's her decision to make.

24:38KT: But see, see, so this is what I'm saying. If it was written in a way that it was part of her character, that's something I could jive with.

25:25Oti: Yeah. And she just needed to realize that herself. And I think that's where [00:25:30] her journey with the therapist came. But even, even when it comes to cheating, George plays such a pivotal role into nudging Amy into, you know, into Chagres.

25:53KT: the caption.

25:53Oti: Yeah, I was just saving the caption at some point. You know that guy is in the fucking, the fucking, or he thinks you are gullible as fuck,

26:02KT: You know, ot, if I could request this of you and I feel like I speak on behalf of our friends and lovers, if you could compile a companion cheating playlist so they can listen after this episode, I think they'll really appreciate it. I'm thinking some Keisha Coles. I'm thinking some Twitter little de.

26:23Oti: Oh, you gotta have someone tell in there

26:26KT: outside of the restaurant,

26:28Oti: Uhhuh. No, but I think George really had a big part to play in that as

26:35KT: So what, okay, cool. Great. But what part does Amy play?

26:42Oti: She, she is not excused from her behavior.

26:49KT: Sounding

26:50Oti: but at the end of it, she loses her, her, she loses George June.

26:56KT: she was already despondent from George. Let's be.

26:59Oti: [00:27:00] And June, then

27:00KT: Okay. Can we also, but can we also talk about this as well? Like I, I'm not diagnosing, I don't know if she was in a depressive state because George did mention it when he was talking to Danny later on, that she's had, you know, bouts of depression.

28:01Oti: she needs to spice it up. She needs to take action in that

28:04KT: But why doesn't she handle it like a fucking mature adult? Why doesn't she say it in the bed chambers where they can whisper other nasty shit to each other? Why are you saying it in public?

28:18Oti: I, I, yeah, I, I see that that wasn't something good to say to George. You know, he was meeting up with Amy after taking the whole day about Mia.

28:33KT: Okay.

28:34Oti: it's all fair, man.

28:36KT: Well, it doesn't seem like it. Um, Well, let's, let's go to, um, the next theme. Choose your trauma fighter because something that I, I guess, got really muk, um, I would say past midway of this show, the sort of discussions that we would have was, why was I going so hard for Danny, and why were you going so hard to defend Dam?

29:07Oti: Dean,

29:07KT: This is what I wanna lay out here.

30:04Oti: Mm-hmm.

30:05KT: Because we live in a society, but at least with Danny, and maybe it is a class thing because like you point out in parasite, I was very much fighting for the poor people, right? So, When it comes to Danny, I understand his motivations because we haven't even talked about the disgusting sort of decisions he made to make sure that Paul would stay around.

30:45Oti: I can't, I can't do that. I, I really couldn't draw a line there

30:49KT: Okay, well, we'll get into detail. When it comes to Amy's character, I can't understand that it, from, from there, it becomes conniving.

31:18Oti: But the witch Babadook follows are everywhere.

31:26KT: What do you wanna blame it on? Do you wanna blame it on childhood? Do you wanna blame [00:31:30] it on the witch babadook fantasy? Which again, because there wasn't a lot that was a fantastical sort of nature that as well, you know, it felt like it got to a point of, oh shit, oh shit. Oh shit. Amy is very, very unlikable and we haven't checked her at all.

31:51Oti: You know what? I think it's, it's a matter of perception because I think for the first three quarters of the show, mm-hmm. We get to see Daniel, this poor guy who's just done on his luck, who is really loving, he loves, you know, he loves his brother, he's showing up for his parents.

32:28KT: You're a bit, you're a bit of a politician.

32:30Oti: No, no, no. He intentionally kept Paul around.

32:34KT: Yes.

32:36Oti: Got rid of his app college application letters. For what? So he could always have, you know, Paul around him by his side.

32:45KT: No, I get that, but I feel like you are underselling if we are talking about Danny and Amy in the first. Like you say, first three quarters.

33:58Oti: Yeah. I just felt Danny got a, a better, you know, veneer around him that Oh, he's just a guy who's done on his luck, who's slightly, you know, he not slightly, he's depressed as well. Yeah, and he, he, he, he, he just needs to catch a break, but in.

34:44KT: Yeah.

34:45Oti: I don't know. I, I, I understand. I get him, I, I, I could feel I could understand the codependency aspect of it. He felt like he was just as bad as Amy, if not slightly more

34:57KT: interesting. I don't even think I need to say I don't agree cuz it's clear. Cle I agreed with what a, a lot of what you said.

35:27Oti: No, we, we both get character growths from both Amy and Danny.

35:54KT: situation. I'm

35:55Oti: was an ex machining, a sort of situation where, whoop, we're in the situation [00:36:00] knee Egypt.

36:05KT: No, he loves him. Yeah. Come on now.

36:07Oti: Yeah. I was being mean. Oh, he loves, you've seen,

36:11KT: you've seen Carman's, mom and Carman.

36:14Oti: Yeah. Yeah. But he is forced into that situation. Same as Amy daughter's been kidnapped. She has to do something about it.

36:34KT: Well, I said a lot more than that, but I think, I think the way to say it is I feel like if I were to be attacked by Danny or Amy, I would know where Danny is coming from and not Amy. Like she could attack you from any.

37:05Oti: I hear you.

37:10KT: I don't know. And I think, um, you know, friends and lovers, like I said, you know, life is fucking messy. And even when you're working through your best, it's still fucking messy. Something that I didn't appreciate, um, from Amy's characters when she went back to her parents.[00:37:30]

37:30Oti: Mm.

37:30KT: Like get your healing somewhere else. Do you realistically think the people that you say have imparted all of this generational trauma? You go back there and you're going to get the healing and the um, sort of closure that you were looking for, and then you get annoyed at them. It reminded me of Molly from Insecure.

37:51Oti: Mm.

37:52KT: When she was talking to her mom, being like, did you know? Didn't you know? And the mom's like, we're not talking about this. Like, I'm not talking about this with you. It's also none of your fucking business.

38:03Oti: true.

38:05KT: Because you know, we talk about generational trauma, but they don't talk about generational player hood like just cause that was a player player. Doesn't that make you a player? And why aren't you more disgusted in yourself? No offense. Why aren't you more disgusted in yourself if you were so disgusted in your father?

38:23Oti: No, she's disgusted with herself because she's disgusted by the father. They're one of the same thing. Thek. the father.

38:35KT: Is this your ink plot test? Ot. That's okay. My Freudian slipper. We don't need to spend a lot of time on this, but I do just wanna point out that rich people be poor too. They just find other ways to stay rich or appear staying rich. Fumi classic.[00:39:00]

39:00Oti: Oh yeah. It's all about the appearances.

39:02KT: I would also say that I love Justin h Min, um, but it seems like maybe this isn't where him and his agent thought they were going to go, but he kind of has a face that you wanna fight.

39:15Oti: fight.

39:18KT: And just so we throw some diversity in the ring, Nicholas Holt is also one of those F faces.

39:22Oti: Mm-hmm.

39:23KT: You're just like, you just need a good will Smith.

39:28Oti: Wow.

39:31KT: Emancipate yourself, oti. Um, do you have any thoughts anymore, um, sort of feelings to throw on the grill? Ot?

39:44Oti: I just thought he had some selective outrage on Amy. For Amy. Oh. So,

39:49KT: wow.

39:55Oti: Yeah.

39:55KT: what you're telling me. Is that you are cool and you prefer your women to be submissive or appear submissive. You don't want them to be held accountable as equals. Is that what you're saying? Omar? Oti.

40:09Oti: from the Church of Houma.

40:14KT: just like the finale of this show, um, the ending of our episode is very ridiculous. I just wanna quickly say I didn't care for the finale. Um, I, I do feel like any sort of major event should happen in the second last episode, at least, so you [00:40:30] can deal with the fallout of the finale. I didn't necessarily care for the format.

40:47Oti: Well, You go get trapped in the desert. Get poisoned together and don't, don't think that you'll end up being forming some sort of connections.

40:57KT: Yeah. Poisonous and venomous.

41:03Oti: man. If I drug your ass through a desert, I need to get some cuddle at the end of it.

41:08KT: And that's why friends and lovers love is conditional.

41:13Oti: Everything is conditional.

41:21KT: You're a ridiculous man. Um,

41:27Oti: Since you brought up Molly in the episode, I'm gonna reference Insecure.

41:32KT: Oh, nice. Speaking about character development, that is very fulfilling and holding them to account

41:41Oti: Yeah.

41:42KT: and if we are continuing, expanding black storytelling representation in genres that exist, but definitely deserve to be, have a new spin on it.

41:56Oti: Nice.

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42:14Oti: Ali

42:15KT: Hey.