100m, Bugonia, If I Had Legs I’d Kick You & Predator: Badlands

Full transcript of 100m, Bugonia, If I Had Legs I’d Kick You & Predator: Badlands.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household. And we've got another reference, max, friends and lovers. Uh, we also have an anime reference Max, uh, that we are planning to do on the way and Oti in our little webtoon anime adaptation corner. You're enjoying one of them Very much with me.

0:19Oti: Yeah. What was it called? Love, actually.

0:23KT: Excuse me. Jude Law. It's called Let's Play.

0:28Oti: Yeah.

0:29KT: Let's get on with the show. Hey, friends and delicious lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT,

0:40Oti: and

0:41KT: today we have a collection. Most of these titles are out already, um, and we are very excited to talk about all of them. Curiously and anime, uh, has made its way into our Ref Max this week, mostly because. I don't really wanna talk about, well, I don't really have. A lot in regards to a non repartee without Oti. Uh, but we did watch Black Phone 2 as a part of South by Southwest. So thank you to, um, the PR I will talk about Bugonia, um, and also twin list. Uh, you know, I'm sure I'll put a little box if you're that curious or you can hit me up on the dms, friends and lovers. But we are very excited. We have a nice little collection today. Um, 100 Meters. Bugonia, If I Had Legs I'd Kick You, which is, if you're listening, when we drop this episode, it's not out for a couple of more days. November 13. Um, and then we will be wrapping it up with our brother in the Badlands. Ooh. Uh, so, so the big three is on me at the moment, Oti. Mm. So let's get started. This is a hundred meters. Thank you to Sly and the team at Sugoi. Um, we had a cute shout us to Isha. Um, we had a nice, uh, cute little screening for a hundred meters. Uh, and it, it's, it's, it's fun. It's great. I'll read my pull quote. Um, I don't think I have a lot of thought thinkings, but I guess we'll get to it. A solid insular story about grit and finding purpose through sports. a little meandering a point, but a fun watch overall.

2:27Oti: Oh, so tell me about a hundred meters.

2:31KT: It essentially follows two. Young kids grow into young men and how competitive athleticism a hundred meters in particular, um, is and the rivalry that they have throughout the pursuit of excellence through the physical form. Noah Lyles didn't show up. I'm sure he probably tried to get into the animation. Uh, but it, it was a fun watch, you know, uh, there were points in the story. That I, I'm not gonna spoil the ending in particular. I'm not gonna spoil, but it was a, you get in what you put in, but it's also okay if you come out with less than what you put in. Does that make sense?

3:17Oti: It does. Is it, do they do the, uh, family, family guy cutaway over a hundred meters? Sprint?

3:27KT: No, I don't think kakoda is in a hundred meters. Is that what you're talking about? I don't think Piccolo was in hundred meters. Is that what you're talking about?

3:37Oti: Mm-hmm.

3:38KT: Okay. Uh, let's move on to Bugonia. Um, thank you to the team at Universal Warner Brothers, as well as South by Southwest. Um, like I mentioned, uh, not on the podcast for now, I'm not really gonna be covering Black Phone 2. It was okay if you're asking. Um, I enjoyed it more than Bugonia, but given the circumstances and the hot topic ness of it all, um, where we slash i, uh, are going to non-spoilery dive into Bugonia, um, I, I think you'll feel my temperature. My Sean da Paul temperature in this pull quote. You ready, Oti?

4:23Oti: mm.

4:24KT: Actually, before I read the pull quote, what do you know about this film

4:27Oti: that you shaved your head for? It

4:30KT: really

4:33Oti: do wanna go full bald, eh? Um, I've had, I think that's the only thing I had about the movie. I don't know anything else about it.

4:44KT: Okay, well, fair. I didn't, I didn't really know anything else about it either. Aside from, uh, Yorgos as well as Emma Stone teaming up again, we didn't watch. Was it strange things?

4:56Oti: Poor Things.

4:57KT: Poor Things?

4:58Oti: Mm-hmm.

4:59KT: Well, poor and strange. That's my memoir. Friends and lovers. It can be argued that the cruel and cold approach is reflective of our equally cold world, however. There is a callousness for the sake of visual and performance that gives little room for meaning beyond exasperation. No. Emma Stone is not on the podcast. I just know how to express exasperated white women.

5:33Oti: Wow.

5:34KT: Fuck off.

5:35Oti: So, so tell me what this movie is about without spoiling it for me.

5:41KT: You know, this movie is so fucking wanky and I feel like I've only ever watched Lobster, and that is probably the most grounded Yorgos there is. I can't really say much 'cause that's the whole point. It's so fucking ary that you can't even talk about it because the whole, um, journey is in the plot twists. You know what I mean? The whole journey is in its exasperations. I guess the only real thing that I can say that's not necessarily spoiler wise is thematically how I felt about this film.

6:18Oti: So, so, so what's the overriding theme for this movie?

6:22KT: I'm trying to, 'cause I didn't watch the trailer, so I actually don't know what would be considered a spoiler or not. But essentially you have Emma Stone, who is a billionaire sort of figure, whether you want to equate her to Bezos, um, or you know, the other disgusting. So

6:40Oti: is

6:41KT: that

6:41Oti: why she's bad and she doesn't have like cancer or something?

6:45KT: She, she doesn't have cancer. Um, that's what I'm saying. I don't even know what I can say 'cause I don't even know if that's part of weaving into the plot twist. But, um, Jesse Plemons is aggrieved at the world aggrieved. Towards Emma Stone's billionaire character slash company, aggrieved at the government. He's aggrieved in general, and they have some sort of dynamic going on in the film. Again, I can't really spoil it too much. I will talk about themes, so I may touch on things, but in regards to the explaining of the plot. It is not even like a sort of cat mouse game. I, because I fucking care about everyone. I'm going to put a trigger warning for violence and violence inflicted upon women love Jesse Plemons. We love Jesse Plemons In every delicious format we can get him in, and we also are able to dissociate that he is performing. In a film, however, Jesse Plemons takes Emma Stone's character captive for whatever reasons that I'm not going to describe that we might not even know until later on in the film, and he beats the living shit out of. Constantly, multiple times. There are jokes right before it. There are jokes right after it. Not necessarily the film's problem, but I would say it's the film's intent because the audience was yucking it up. They were lapping it up

8:32Oti: at dv,

8:33KT: not necessarily that she was getting beat up, but the fact that they could laugh around just before or just after. It just shows how fucking desensitized.

8:45Oti: Or is it, is it more the uncomfortability with it that they just find laughter

8:52KT: the whale? Would you give the audience that much leeway when they were being weird about like having a young black baby in One Battle After Another? No, exactly.

9:01Oti: I know. I felt a way while we were watching the Rock's movie, what was it called?

9:04KT: Smashing Machine.

9:04Oti: Yeah, and, and just aspects of that movie where you're like, mm, come on now.

9:10KT: But I, I understand what you're saying. There's definitely an uncomfortability, but people were, it was like we were at a comedy club, like people were head rolling back, open mouth, all teeth showing of

9:23Oti: falling out, all of their mouths, feeding other

9:26KT: people, like not necessarily that it was funny that she was getting beat up, but how easy it was to laugh just before and just after. I don't know if it's being desensitized to women. Being brutalized on screen, or, and we've talked about this so many times, Oti, that people don't allow film and art to penetrate them. So they kind of just see it in a snow glowy, um, sort of lens without actually realizing, like, of course this is a film, but it's like you're watching a woman and the character is also, you know, she's, she's, she's being beaten on. Like, that's not funny.

10:10Oti: Okay. I, I feel like I didn't, what I thought this movie would be is nothing as to what I thought it

10:32KT: She mentioned there was a fucking twist in this film and that was very annoying. Because when you talk about the actual themes, I'm not gonna spoil it, but when you talk about what the central themes of this film is, and you have, uh, a lovely film program, a person that meant, well, apparently she loves Yorgos so much. She had a lobster party like she had. Oh, I think that's cute, right? It

10:57Oti: is cute.

10:58KT: But then you, maybe you fan girl too close to the Yorgos sun. I don't know. But the very notion of, imagine if someone told you there was a twist in Sixth Sense and you never knew, right? Mm. You're sitting there waiting, you're sitting there waiting. You know what, what may, may chance happen? So

11:16Oti: is is that a, sorry to digress a little bit, but remember when we went to watch Nightbitch and

11:23KT: Me.

11:25Oti: Yeah, he could be, um,

11:27KT: day bitch too.

11:29Oti: And the, and and also was like, the presenter was like, ah, this is like one of the best movies ever. A definite Oscar nom. And I was like, I don't, I don't know. Like the expectations were high. Those set high.

11:43KT: Yeah. Why would you set it that way? And it might also be the same person.

11:46Oti: Really

11:47KT: because the, the film programmer for South by Southwest, it might be the same person.

11:52Oti: Yeah.

11:52KT: Because I, in a, in an odd world where you might be listening, you are very lovely. But e in a world where we don't e even the way we're trying to navigate spoilers in this, like just say it was a film,

12:06Oti: it is a movie that you gotta watch in. Five seconds.

12:10KT: I, I watched the film. You watched the film. We film each other after. Thank you. Hire me, friends and lovers. I'll do that for fucking, for free. Um, but what I'm gonna come into is the actual commentary of the film. I, again, I didn't watch the trailer. I didn't read the synopsis, so I don't know if this would be considered a spoiler. So you're welcome to skip ahead, but I promise you, friends and lovers, it's gonna be meatier and more hearty and more well-rounded than what was presented in this film.

12:43Oti: Hmm.

12:44KT: I'm talking about my Plemons. Come and feel them. So there is, uh, so even like the opening narration, 'cause you've seen the imagery, there's like bees, right? Mm-hmm. Or even like on the poster, there's like, uh, an introduction narration talking about the queen bee and the worker bees, and how the worker bees, they didn't necessarily say exploited, but that's essentially what they're saying. Yeah. They're all in service to the queen. Obviously we can put two and two together that we're alluding to the billionaire Emma Stone sort of character. That she's the one that benefits from the exploitation of all these bees. Maybe I'm putting too much on the film, but they really put it on the bee nose. Right? I don't even know if bees have noses. That would've been more helpful than what they showed in the movie.

13:32Oti: Wow.

13:33KT: Um, but they're talking about like Jesse Plemons's character, whatever sort of qualm that he might have is not what I'm talking about succinctly. But he goes on, huh? In this, in this, in this ani world, Oti. Just be aware of how frustratingly I, I'm going to have to articulate this. He goes on rants, and I hate that he goes on rants because he like, it's very easy to agree with everything that Plemons's character is saying, but he's being positioned as a crazy shaking his fist at the sky. Very crazy deluded, conspiracy driven sort of character. But everything he's saying is what? All of us with a heart or maybe two hearts 'cause the world is fucking missing some in this world. You know that we shouldn't be exploited by the government, that we should be able to live freely with health and with care and with love. How fucking hard is that? But it was very frustrating because this film became friends and lovers. It's a deep cut. If you wanna subscribe to our Patreon, we, we, we cover, Don't Look Up on our Patreon. And I'm still mad about it. Friends and lovers. Our, our most, uh, recent episode, Dreaming Whilst Black, um, you know, donate to through the Jamaican government link. But we have talked about climate change on this podcast for years now, and the effects of climate change on, uh, climate change on black and brown nations. That barely emit anything that is leading to the destruction of this burning earth. Yeah. And the reason why I, I put a parallel between Don't Look Up and Bugonia is this feels like this is white. People starting to realize that the world isn't fair, benefits are being cut. People can't afford to live anymore, and I'm so fucking sorry. Where in your beautiful privilege buried hair head in the sand? Could you live this long and not fucking realize that? And have to have an aha moment? In watching Bugonia, really you didn't understand and now you are suffering, and now you get that, that, that the world has been suffering for a while now. Fuck off.

16:00Oti: So is it like Mickey 17 sort of level of trying to have that commentary?

16:07KT: I, I would say it's Don't Look Up. It's like indigenous, black and brown scientists, researchers, activists have been saying for decades now. To pull your thumb out and we need to do something about this shit, right? How is it every time the urgency and the cataclysmic nature of natural disasters that are going on, it's, it's, it's a fucking news every time. Do you understand what I'm saying? And that's what's really frustrating. It's like a way for white people to safely come to such a big realization. When people have been struggling for a long time now, it's even like, if you wanna talk about your friend, uh, Paul Mescal and Aaron Pierre in that movie Foe, uh, and Saoirse Ronan, because the whole, the whole, um, pool of that movie is that they needed to yeet Paul Mescal to another planet because there wasn't enough fresh water. And it's like, hey man, there's lots of places specifically in America that don't have fresh drinking water. So what are you talking about? Why are you making this a scare? We sci-fi, it's like happening in real life and I think that's what was really frustrating to me about Bugonia. 'cause not only am I having to see Emma Stone's character getting the shit beat out of it to no effect. What was the point? Just to be told something that people should already know. Hmm. Nothing ventured, nothing found, but again, like One Battle After Another. Oh, actually this, this is a nice little parallel here. Um, I'm, I'm not gonna name names, but we, we, we bumped into our lovely friends and lovers in the film space and, uh, he had one of his friends there, met him for the first time, lovely fella. Um, and we were talking about Bugonia. And me and this fella and he was agreeing with me. I was like, you know, the, the way that they were so exasperated about trying to explain how the world isn't fair and how, you know, certain communities can be exploited to their own detriment for the benefit of billionaires for what end. Right. I even mentioned how Barbie does that. I mentioned how Don't Look Up does that, and he agreed with me. Right until I touched his beloved white boy. One Battle After Another Erie, I was getting my little jabs in, you know, I was doing this. It was a friendly fade. Mm-hmm. Right? And then I came to One Battle After Another. And you know me, I'm as illustrious and voluptuous as my figure, and the way that I critique is just as. Right? Mm-hmm. So I was laying a picture. He was lapping it up. He was saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. I agree with you. Um, he didn't seem uncomfortable that I was calling out whiteness, and then I talked about One Battle After Another. And do you know what this lovely young fella said to me when I said. It was incredulous at the way that they were trying to fight for a revolution, but it was just, uh, a middle aged white man. Leo meandering the whole time and the very identity of his biracial daughter became his struggle. Do you wanna know what this lovely young white man said to me?

19:36Oti: Mm-hmm.

19:37KT: I wouldn't say One Battle After Another is a revolution.

19:43Oti: It's just a dad trying to figure out how to help a brown kid.

19:49KT: But like I, yeah, I had, I was like, oh, look at, look at the time actually. But really. Fine, if that's what you wanna say. But that's the whole fucking core. That's the whole fucking core of One Battle After Another. You can't separate that. And I think that's the, it's not even a privilege. I think that's just the, the. The default that white people have, they wanna dabble in shit that they don't understand. They don't wanna meaningfully engage with it. To have the dissociation to be able to say that One Battle After Another is not revolutionary, and that's literally the core plot. It, it sounds about white, but it's fucking wild.

20:34Oti: Mm.

20:35KT: So, yeah, it, it can go in the same corner of the appropriately labeled, uh, disposal.

20:42Oti: Yeah,

20:44KT: well I'm sure if you're ever that curious you can report back Oti.

20:48Oti: I doubt I will be

20:50KT: well from one exasperating white to another in bracket, complimentary, If I Had Legs I'd Kick You.

20:59Oti: Mm. What's this about?

21:01KT: I just wanna make it clear that I really, really love this film. Uh, I will, oh, look at us. We're doing like a new little thing. Um, before I read my non-spoiler pull quote, I will say that before this I was told that there were walkouts during media screening.

21:20Oti: Mm.

21:20KT: I was told that it's very depressing or it, it, it, it covers depression in a very heavy way. And I was also given a heads up about animal cruelty, so. I don't know. I, I don't know what I was in for, but, um, this is Rose Byrne. It was also at the Melbourne International Film Festival. Mm-hmm. Um, but I saw it just as a part of a normal media screening. And again, uh, November 13 is when it's coming out. Mm-hmm.

21:49Oti: Uh,

21:50KT: it's about Rose Byrne's character. She has a sickly child. She's taking care of the sickly child alone, alone. Because while she isn't a single mother, there is not an ABS there. There is not a present father figure. He's traveling, he's working, but it feels a bit too convenient that he isn't around if he had to be around. Does that make sense?

22:15Oti: Yeah.

22:17KT: So it really much is just focused on her character. There is an active discomfort throughout this film, however, it is approached through a kind and understanding lens. Rose Byrne delivers an earnest and heartbreaking performance.

22:36Oti: Oh, okay. Sounds like a say if you enjoy it quite a bit. I know we talked about this a little bit after you'd watched it. Um, so tell me about how they navigate the, these depths Quite well.

22:56KT: Can I indulge myself and read my little box? 'cause I think it will capture stuff and then I can expound on it.

23:01Oti: Mm-hmm.

23:03KT: It's four and a half stars, by the way, friends and lovers. I'm just gonna make that very clear. I'm just gonna, I just really enjoyed it. Many things can be true. And for some of us, most of those things might not be pleasant. Life can throw too much at us, and even if we're searching for someone to reach out and check on us, we aren't given a moment to come up for air. Textbook platitudes actually don't address the very real tangled real life shit. Some of us have to navigate. My only critique is that while it does start heavy, I actually think that's a good thing. By the way, there is a sameness of the events that keep the momentum from really getting to the root. But as this film has proved, it has the capacity to dig deep. Maybe that was the point. Life really is experienced in seasons because there's a past me that felt this fully. I'm at a point in my life where wounds are scars now, so I can safely reflect on well-written and layered films like this. I hope that people, I hope people that are actively going through it find their reprieve.

24:17Oti: Alright.

24:17KT: When people tell you this is fucking heavy and depressing and people have walked out and I actually not just felt seen, but had a, a good time watching this. I think that just speaks to the different levels of life experience that we have. Friends and lovers, you know. Some of us go through shit, some of us go through shit later in life and we don't know how to handle that shit because we've never had to go through shit.

24:45Oti: Mm-hmm.

24:45KT: Right. And it, it's, it's the way in which we navigate this world. It's the way in which we connect and engage with art. It's the reason why. If it's not a Fast and Furious, Bullet Train, not necessarily trying to be more than what it is, I am always looking for depth and substance, and it's why I connect very deeply on deeply made films. This is one of them, and I really, one of, I don't have many interview regrets, Oti, but not being able to line up. An interview with this film back when it was in Melbourne International Film Festival. We just couldn't work the schedule. It would've been so nice to be able to chat about this film and not even chat about it. I would just love to sit and hear the writing and the directing and the love that was woven into this film because, you know. I've, I've talked about therapy and mental health on the podcast a lot, friends and lovers, and I absolutely advocate for that, and I'm doing the work on myself as well. But I would also say that sometimes life is just fucking hard, even if you want to be. Like super positive. Sometimes life just comes at us and sometimes no one's there to help us. But in this film we have a very charming ASAP Rocky.

26:21Oti: Mm.

26:22KT: It was nice to see him after. Highest 2 Lowest, just to remind me of the gleam. Yeah. And the charm that that man has. Um, but I just really enjoyed it. I was engaged with the film. I don't think it was heavy to the point of. Numbness and I don't think it was too heavy that people wouldn't be able to engage with it if they are at a point and a capacity at which to meet that.

26:54Oti: Nice.

26:55KT: I can't speak of it more highly, meet me in the dms, friends and lovers. Not for Bugonia, but for If I Had Legs I'd Kick You. Alright. Are you ready to, uh, tag team this?

27:07Oti: Yeah.

27:08KT: Wrong. Do you wanna be the Android?

27:12Oti: Nah, I'm all right.

27:13KT: Okay. Um, we are covering Predator: Badlands, uh, thank you to 20th Century Studios. Also off top, off top off top shout outs to Elle Fanning, but also shout outs to our brother, Dimitrius Schuster-Koloamatangi.

27:35Oti: Mm.

27:37KT: Rewind that back so you can learn how to say his name correctly. Friends and lovers. I've been seeing the press junkets. Let's get into the pull quote.

27:47Oti: A fun Predator entry that doesn't take itself too seriously. What we get is heart, charm, and a Predator you actually want to root for. A bold take on the franchise and it doesn't miss.

28:00KT: nice. In the pursuit of power and acceptance, the spoils are granted to the lovers.

28:09Oti: Oh,

28:13KT: he

28:13Oti: can be cute.

28:15KT: I hope the giggles are on my pull quote. Predator boasts decades of rich lore, but Badlands finds its heartbeat in the story through character dynamics and growth.

28:27Oti: Mm, so does.

28:31KT: It's so sweet. It's so lovely. It's so fun.

28:35Oti: Yeah. And, and. I was skeptical about, I was very intrigued at the start. I was like, okay, let's go. We are start, we, we, we are getting into the world. We're trying to understand who Dek is.

28:49KT: Yeah.

28:49Oti: And then it got to parts where we get introduced. I, I don't, I'm not gonna spoil it, but it sort of sent me aback a little bit. I was like, oh, it's gonna be one of those movies, isn't it?

29:01KT: Mm.

29:02Oti: And. It just picked up so effortlessly. It, it, it had to go through that part just to like cross it off, but swiftly picked up again and, oh my word. I had fun with this movie.

29:18KT: I had fun with it too. Um, we didn't watch all of the Predator films. We did watch Prey a couple of years ago when it first came out, but in the lead up to this, we watched the OG 1987. Mm. I am so far removed from the Predator franchise that I didn't even know Arnold Schwarzenegger was like in the film, and he was like the star. Also friends and lovers. Uh, rest in love to Carl Weathers. I know him mostly as the angry, disgruntled sweater wearing character and Arrested Development. I didn't know. I didn't know what developments were going on in the Muscle Department. Can I just say? Mm-hmm. It was very distracting. Also, in the first five minutes I saw the meme that I've been seeing for meme in years because it never really zoomed out.

30:13Oti: Mm-hmm.

30:14KT: Well, let's just, let's just say Carl Weathers was going toe to toe and bicep for bicep, that's for sure.

30:20Oti: Yeah.

30:22KT: How did you feel in It's definitely a new take. I am surprised it's, it's being received well. I'm glad it is, but I'm surprised it is given how possessive fan boys or non-gendered can be about a franchise. But how did you feel I, with a new take? 'cause Prey was in, they did Comanche Dub after, but it was still kind of keeping true to the ethos of. Yeah. Or even tone rather The tone. This was a very different sort of tone.

30:57Oti: I felt like we're going to get the OG sort of Predator vibes and I didn't feel like even watching re-watching the original, I was like cute for back then. Right now, I don't think a movie like that flies at all.

31:15KT: Pussy, pussy.

31:19Oti: And I just, whatever you think, because I've seen the hate around, I have seen a little bit of hate around them leaning. It's, it's not, I rated, you know, it, it's not gone. It's

31:35KT: Oh, that it's PG.

31:36Oti: Yeah.

31:37KT: Who cares? Love can be found in PG.

31:41Oti: I guess people wanted it to be, you know how we thought M3GAN would've been?

31:48KT: Yeah.

31:50Oti: Or who should have been?

31:52KT: I don't see. See. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. M3GAN was confused. Writing wise. M3GAN didn't even know what it wanted to be.

32:05Oti: Not the second version. Think.

32:06KT: Think of the fashion. No, I'm saying, I'm saying M3GAN didn't know what it wanted to be. That's different than trying something new in a franchise. Hmm. That's. I guess this example would be bringing a 40-year-old in the face teenage boy character setting to Tokyo in The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. You're trying something different with the franchise.

32:32Oti: Hmm.

32:33KT: Why? You're really just not gonna react to me saying 40-year-old in the face.

32:36Oti: No, I.

32:45KT: Oh, that, but that's different. M3GAN just tonal, uh, writing wise was conflicted with itself. It didn't know what it wanted to be. These were just different takes on a franchise.

32:58Oti: Yeah. Which I enjoyed. Um, getting to, getting to see Dek and, and just being in a world that's, you know. Vicious. And you know, people, uh, just want to survive things. Just want to survive.

33:18KT: Yeah.

33:19Oti: And that's, that's all.

33:21KT: But I think. Like for me, I am, I'm not a sci-fi gal. I've said friends and lovers, so I'm always story driven, which also means I can engage with pretty much anything. So the fact that it wasn't leaning too much on the lore, I'm like, that's cool. Like as long as you make me care. And I think that's part of the success for me personally, of Badlands. Because as far as I knew, based off of my. A couple of examples in the franchise. Like a, was that their name?

34:00Oti: Mm-hmm.

34:01KT: They were seen as hyper intelligent beings. Right? Humans weren't touching them on any kind of day, right?

34:08Oti: Mm-hmm.

34:09KT: So it didn't feel like there was any chance where humans could go toe to toe. There would be like, um, Mother's Milk. And The Boys. Yeah. You go, man, but I'm not gonna take the Compound V bro. I'm gonna point at you with my cool shirts and my chains in the background. Um, well, they can't really meaningfully engage, right? So when it comes to Badlands, for him not to be strong enough. It is quite cliche of like the underdog. Like how's he going to prove his master? How's he gonna make his daddy proud? Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So it could feel like you've seen it before, but that's where the success of winning you over, right? Friends and lovers. Relationships and in films, they should try and win you over every time. Doesn't matter that it's been decades of love and film and franchises. You should still be won over every time, I think. I don't think that's a bad thing. Even if you are familiar with the franchise, sometimes you switch it up every now and again, you know? And that's what Badlands was and I think it did it very well and I really enjoyed it.

35:25Oti: Me too.

35:27KT: Any final thoughts?

35:30Oti: I probably watch it sometime as well.

35:33KT: Shout out to Dimitrius, I must say. It was really nice seeing his name like in the credits, and it's just nice seeing him all over. You know, my visibly Brown brother

35:46Oti: Tongan and Samoan as well. Hey,

35:48KT: I heard Tongan.

35:49Oti: Mm-hmm.

35:50KT: Um, yeah, it, it was just nice and I hope he gets more roles. Um, and yeah, I just, it was a great time, you know, every so often or you know, we get invited to screenings and, you know, it's fun. It's cool. We enjoy doing it for the podcast, but that was one for us.

36:10Oti: Mm.

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36:27Oti: write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com.

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36:36Oti: See you.

36:36KT: Bye.