Close those curtains and put down that book because we are stalking into the Netflix show You. Quid Pro Mo brought to you by Netflix ‘N Swill podcast.


Released: 2018
Network: Lifetime/Netflix
Based on books by: Caroline Kepnes
Creators: Greg Berlanti, Sera Gamble

Breakdown and Analysis

  • We haven’t read the books.
  • Spoiler – Beck wasn’t smart enough to figure it out lol
  • The series felt bloated. It didn’t need to be 20 hours. Could have easily halved the time. We didn’t need all the commentary about Los Angeles. There was also so much unnecessary exposition.
  • For him to allow emotions and love from others was something that was demonstrated through the meditation sequence.
  • The initial narration was reminscent of Mr Robot. So KT was expecting a mastermind. Oti did not expect it and saw him as a flawed human looking for love.
  • Very haphazardly he strikes people so you can draw parallels to Dexter. Oti mentioned they are similar in the sense of being a vigilante.
  • If you’re going to skip town, why would you wait 16 hours?
  • There is nothing wrong with characters that are fragmented in some or many ways. What is unbearable for KT are characters that lack basic self awareness to embrace and present who they really are. Joe did not believe he was repugnant in any way.
  • All we have is what you present to us. What we build on is bolstered in our frame of reference and further analysis.
  • At this point of the show he had already killed but in the show it is framed as if this is the first kill or severe act of violence. If your twist is something you have withheld from us, we are not interested.
  • All of us are messed up in some way. You see Joe’s distorted sense of love through Candace, Beck and Love. He wants someone to accept his love. In the real world, what this meant was killing people.
  • Beck is flawed in a lot ways but Joe had a different lens. She would not have achieved the final novel without Joe locking him in.
  • It didn’t make sense at the end of the series. We understood his distorted Frame of Reference so when the tables turn on him and he was met with a love with more devotion, he couldn’t handle it. He finally found someone that saw him for him and complimented him. You could say that his inability to love himself made it impossible for him to receive love. The fact that he was so abhorrent and digusted to hear the depth of Love’s devotion, was incredulous.
  • There is a lot of reflection and demons Joe needs to reconcile within himself before he can start to perceive Love in her true nature.
  • Through Criminal Minds and Mindhunter we see unsubs gradually isolate themselves from society but Joe was keen on navigating both worlds.
  • Joe was waiting to experience Love but was certainly not ready for it.
  • Let’s take a slice of this Oedipus pie. Candace and Beck weren’t that dedicated with Joe. Love was the first to reciprocate. His mother did not care for him, rather the other way around. He felt the need to protect her, to the point of murder. Mum talks about murdering the dad and as a kid, Joe saw this as the only way out. It makes sense who he is as a person. For him to end up in foster homes when home to him was his mother, it broke him.
  • He wasn’t smart, he wasn’t interesting. Which becomes a problem when most of the show is narration. It felt like reading the tweets of someone with 0 followers.
  • Candace was the catalyst so it was confusing when she was put on the back burner to focus on the Quinn family or other LA things.
  • Would have been interesting to have the story from Candace’s point of view.
  • Beck didn’t have a perfect childhood but she amplified her experiences in order to drain all the emotional investment in a room. She wouldn’t admit it out loud but her success was attributed to Peach’s death. She had a strong sense of entitlement. Any time she was given feedback that wasn’t ass kissing, she cut them off. She was a flirt and she knew to use her sexuality to get what she wants. She knew what she was evoking. She wanted to be wanted but she got bored of commitment.
  • The ending could not have been more perfect for him but he took it as a punishment.
  • One of KT’s favourite episode of criminal minds is called Riding the Lightning. A tantalising dynamic of a killer couple.
  • They gave us enough examples to gain our understanding of who Joe is as a person. Which made the same same of the end of season 2 more perturbing.
  • Peach loved Beck enough to see her thrive. She would get Beck to hook up with guys that were temporary.
  • Which religion is the religion that gives me superpowers in this mortal life?
  • KT’s high school teacher said she has the charisma of a cult leader. Oti is her first disciple.
  • Easily digestible does not equal most opulent of desires.

Unrelated and vital points

  • KT is still working on her pyschological thriller about Oti
  • Lifetime blessed us with Unreal.
  • Contact us if you would want a spin off podcast called Oti’s nook where he covers shows like Gossip Girl and Pretty Little Liars.
  • Who would have Rami would rise to stardom? Good for him and his parents.
  • Didn’t expect heaven to be delivered when we’re living in Mordor.
  • The left hand is jerking while the right should be jerking too. Ancient KT and Oti proverb. Know where your hands are at all times.
  • We need to start a conspiracy podcast.

For Your Reference

Oti’s pick

Dexter  | TV Series (2006–2013) 53min | Crime, Drama, Mystery | TV Series (2006–2013) Summary: By day, mild-mannered Dexter is a blood-spatter analyst for the Miami police. But at night, he is a serial killer who only targets other murderers.
Countries: USALanguages: English, Spanish
Gossip Girl  | TV Series (2007–2012) 42min | Drama, Romance | TV Series (2007–2012) Summary: Privileged teens living on the Upper East Side of New York can hide no secret from the ruthless blogger who is always watching.
Countries: USALanguages: English

KT’s pick

Joker (2019) 2h 2min | Crime, Drama, Thriller | 4 October 2019 (USA) Summary: In Gotham City, mentally troubled comedian Arthur Fleck is disregarded and mistreated by society. He then embarks on a downward spiral of revolution and bloody crime. This path brings him face-to-face with his alter-ego: the Joker.
Countries: Canada, USALanguages: English