The Pop Out with Dregeaux

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0:04KT: Welcome to another edition of KT and Friends where we review films referenced in the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef this week. We are popping out with Andre, the book smart mandem of them all. That's an inside reference.

0:22KT: We might get to it, friends and lovers. This is the A-side, The Pop Out. We will be discussing the love for hip hop as well as the most recent rap beef and we will be getting to Pet Sematary. And thank you Andre for choosing this film. This version in particular, we have a lot to talk about and I'm very excited.

0:42KT: Welcome to the show. Please let me know. Please school everyone up on the goodness of who you are, what you're about. Um, and obviously we'll get into the rap beef, but like, let's get a little bit of you.

0:54Andre: Uh, sure. Um, my name's Andre. I'm just like a overall Jack of all trades fan. I love music, movies, video games, the occasional book. Um, I just like to. Make sure I'm in the know of the things that I that I like spending my time with whenever I get it So I like I'm more into video games now But I have this stack of movies on my desk that's staring at me every day that I have to get through Before I even think about buying another movie

1:26KT: Um, I guess while we're here, do you have any hot takes about, um, potential character designs in, you know, having potentially in, in an Assassin's Creed world?

1:37Andre: Oh, yeah. Um, I have absolutely no issue with Yasuke being in the new Assassin's Creed game. I understand how it can be viewed as, you know, uh, pandering or maybe like trying to force something that doesn't need to be there, but Yasuke is or was somebody who existed in that time frame and it's kind of weird to be so judgy and fact checking on the Assassin's Creed game when that franchise has been known to play with history.

2:08Andre: Like they have Leonardo da Vinci and they had like one of the like the family had like the Apple of Eden and it's like It's kind of funny to be so, so outspoken now, just because it's Yasuke when history has just been like a, a sandbox for the entire franchise.

2:29KT: Um, I just needed to, um, punctuate that, but Oh, absolutely. Um, but I think we know why, you know, like shout outs to Hiroyuki Sanada, um, and Shogun, right. But it always seems to be the European invasion. It always seems to be those stories that everyone is okay with because that happened historically, but they always seem to make those ones. The.

2:55Andre: It's like, is it believable because of the white actor, but now it's like not believable because it's a black man who lived in that era and they're trying to say like, Oh, he wasn't a real samurai. He was like a, a handler, but it's like the man had armor and he held a sword.

3:14KT: But I guess just quickly on this, that like descendants of samurai. Also, like, stood at the back and like, were like, Yasuke existed, and he was a legitimate samurai, like, he had the tackle.

3:26Andre: It's just, it was very funny who was saying who, who Yasuke wasn't, and then you have the, yeah, the Japanese people like, no, he existed, he's a, he's a thing. He, he, he, he had his moments. They have books on him.

3:40KT: It's like, who are you fighting for then if they're all goods and we're all goods, but I am very, very excited to talk about, I guess just in general, but also about this rap beef because essentially everyone that's been on, um, and depending on what the scheduling looks like, but everyone that I've invited on onto our podcast, we were up to date minute to minute, like with the memes dropping tracks. Yes. You know, any sort of theorizing that we might have. And I'm so excited that we have time to talk about this today. Yes.

4:16KT: Before getting into the rap beef though, I would love to hear your journey with music and as well as in hip hop, because I've said it many times and I try not to say too much, but essentially I don't listen to a lot of music in general.

4:29KT: Um, and if it isn't Kendrick Lamar albums or like, I guess, what is in the top 40 that permeates into consciousness, I don't really follow a lot. And it's been cool. And I will also say shout outs to Cameron and Jordan. They did the leg work on Drake.

4:43Andre: Yeah, they were so good. Oh my goodness. I was like, I love that podcast too. So when they came in, they were just like, they, they were hitting it on the head, man.

4:52KT: Yeah. I didn't even know there was a backpack Drake. So you don't even need to do that because we already have it on the podcast, unless you feel so compelled by the spirit. Um, and Brent gave a lot of, uh, just a lot of like background in hip hop in the eighties and the origins, we got into like the rap beefs and the multiple beefs that LL Cool J had.

5:13KT: So it's interesting just to hear individual sort of journeys into hip hop and rap and music in general, and we'll get to the rap beef, but I would love to hear, I guess the first time where you were like, this is something, you know,

5:28Andre: Yeah, um, I feel like I always grew up with hip hop like I'm a 90s baby So it's like I could remember seeing Nuthin' but a 'G' Thang on the on MTV and my dad had he was in that golden age of hip hop from like the mid to late 80s and he had like every Major album from like Public Enemy to LL Cool J to Ice-T, EPMD so once I started You know Appreciating the genre, of course, I went back and listened to those tapes, and I've always felt like I've been in the know of like mainstream hip hop, and I try to Pay attention to underground hip hop as well.

6:07Andre: So hip hop has always been like my favorite genre. It's like, I listen to every, I try to listen to everything. I'm not going to sit here and say, I listen to everything when I don't, but hip hop for me, it's just like, it's so special and to see it, um, either mistreated or kind of being just used as it is to just as a get rich quick scheme. I can't say that fast. It's kind of, um, That's just what the state of the rap game is right now. But I think, um, that's what it's boiled down to with this Kendrick and Drake, where it's almost like, is it culture versus corporation? Like in the bigger picture or the bigger scheme of things.

6:50Andre: And I feel as though like Drake started off with good intentions as the backpack rapper, but it's like underground rap fans know about Little Brother. And then Phonte as a member of Little Brother, it's like if you listen to Phonte, he can sing very well, he can rap very well. And then it's like, if that was a big inspiration for Drake, it's like, oh wow, it's like this guy's been Shang Tsung his entire rap career, just taking what he can and becoming what he is now.

7:20KT: Yeah, um, and it's interesting to speak on because even Brent was talking about like there's a template. There's a tried and true Template whether it's Miley Cyrus even Katy Perry at some point Madonna it's like we need to have an edge to us Usually it's like out of the Disney but even just in general like we need an edge Like I'm the safe white pop gal option

7:45Andre: Throw Bieber in that too

7:45KT: Um, but it's, it's interesting that that dipping in and out and that putting on of an aesthetic and it's interesting because in the same breath you could potentially have the same sort of parallels. with Drake as well. Even though, you know, I don't play into that. That's none of my business. Um, I'm not Rick Ross. So I can't call him a white boy, even though that's very funny to say. Yeah. Um, But it's one of those things. And, you know, even hearing you talk about like people taking advantage of the industry.

8:20KT: And I guess also like on the people, because that's where the culture comes from. And it really feels like we're coming back to, you know, respecting the origins of. The music and the art and the culture as well. Yeah,

8:35Andre: it's like it's it's I think as a as a fan It's like all I can do is just listen to who I listen to but when you see so much of the mainstream being Being what it is.

8:45Andre: It's like I don't hate Lil Uzi Vert But what he said a few years ago when he was on a New York radio station saying he's like I'm not a rapper I'm, not gonna like he wasn't gonna freestyle on a on a beat or something and it was just like You know What other genre gets disrespected like this when new artists come out?

9:02Andre: Cause it's like, I don't listen to a lot of rock talk shows, but it's like, could you imagine if they had like a young up and coming band? They're just like, uh, Nirvana is whatever, or, uh, Metallica or The Beatles or whatever. That's not what I do. And it's like, hip hop is like, as, as much as people love it, at times it's just like, it's treated like a piñata.

9:26KT: Yeah. Or

9:27Andre: it's not really given the respect that it, it, it's truly earned because it was looked at as a trend.

9:33KT: Yeah.

9:34Andre: When it, when it came out in the eighties, like they're like, Oh, this isn't going to last. And then corporations tried to have break dancers all in the videos and promoting athletic wear. And the next thing you know, you look at the nineties.

9:47Andre: And hip hop was here to stay. It's like it was, it was mainstream. It was, it was up there with rock and the grunge era of the nineties. It's like, it was its own culture that everybody could partake in, but it's, it's sad to see it disrespected in ways as a fan, where it's just like, well, damn, like who do the young people even care about who came before them?

10:13KT: Yeah.

10:15Andre: And I kind of wish it wasn't like that at times.

10:17KT: That's a, that's an interesting. Lamentation and it deserves, it deserves the verbiage because this is, this feels like this is where we're going. Um, it's interesting to see from an industry point of view of, you know, downplaying or being like, yeah, this is going to go away anytime soon.

10:35KT: And then there's an acknowledgement of, Oh, okay. This is here to stay. How do we monetize it? How do we make sure that we got our hand in a pot that was never ours? Right. And I guess that's where you see the sort of like ownership and I don't know, like, I would love to hear your thoughts on it's the Drake, but it's the Drake's of the world.

10:58KT: Yeah. So it's, if they were going to make a commercial sort of, um, format for hip hop, which we've seen and continue to see, unfortunately, um, there needed to be someone that was the safe option. Appreciate You know what I mean, whether it's whether it's young kids, whether it's, you know, college graduated women that want to feel good.

11:22KT: Um, like there needed to be a safe option. And Drake kind of became that, but he kind of became that for lack of a better reference, a Pied Piper just hopping around. Hopping around different states and like taking aesthetics, like you see Hotline Bling, Mob Ties, like every day at some point it's not shocking anymore to hear the reference tracks or pulling aesthetics and that sort of thing, but it very much feels like that.

11:50Andre: Yeah, it's like, um, Drake wants to be everything to everybody. Like he wants to be able to have his hand in the grime scene, or he wants to have his hand in the, like, the afro beats, or, it's like, that's fine and all, but that's what pop stars do.

12:07KT: Yeah,

12:07Andre: but now you want to be considered an MC or you want to be considered serious in the rap genre That's when people start poking and prodding and they're like, oh, wait a minute.

12:16Andre: You're not as real as you say you are Why are you trying to do this? Because I'm not I'm not very well versed in The music scene in Canada and I'm always surprised when I hear like, oh, so so it's Canadian It's like it shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it's like You kind of connect the dots. You're like, what is the Toronto sound?

12:36Andre: You And it's like, what is, what is, like, I know, um, dang it, the guy, his face is right in front of me, but I can't think of his name, k-os. He had a very unique, um, sound for rap and he could sing, he had very, very cool hip hop beats. And I remember Drake saying that he was a very big fan of him. But he, but Drake, he's very, it's almost like he's well versed in things, but at the same time, it's like. Is it his

13:09KT: like a jack of all trades? Yeah

13:11Andre: yeah, it's like I feel like there's nothing wrong with having different sounds but What is the Drake sound and I felt like he really had it like in the early 2010s Like he had like those very like melodic sounds and the beats were just like, okay when you hear that beat No matter who the producer is they made that for Drake and I was like, okay, that's it But now it's like you're right.

13:36Andre: He hopping on Mob Ties and he's hopping on like songs are 21 Savage I'm like, I don't know if this is you bro It sounds good. Like I'm not going to sit here in front like I'm anti Drake. Like he has some tracks that you can be.

13:49KT: It is an anti Drake safe space.

13:51Andre: Okay. When that time comes, I might be caught up for Canadian hate crimes, but

13:58KT: well, no, because there's no racism in Canada. Remember

14:01Andre: Oh, yeah. Crodie We'll, we'll get to that.

14:04KT: Yeah. Cheesin fam Yeah.

14:05Andre: Cheesin fam Oh, wow. When Kendrick said that, I was like, that's the moment. Like if it was a rap battle and they were face to face, the crowd would have. It's over. Erupted It's that like

14:16KT: reaction meme. Yeah.

14:18Andre: Mm hmm. That would have been it. And, but thank goodness it wasn't it because it felt like Euphoria could have ended anybody but that was just literally, in boxing terms, that was just the stiff jab to let you know like we're not playing around. That was, that was quite the moment when Euphoria dropped.

14:37KT: Oh, absolutely. And it would be interesting to, cause as far as I understand it, and I don't know if you've seen the clip, cause obviously it circulates on the X, but also Twitter, um, all the different clips of Drake, but there was one with his mom where he was like complaining about a tuna bagel.

14:55Andre: Oh my goodness. It's like,

14:57KT: you're the same one running the streets in Toronto. I don't think so, sir. Yeah,

15:02Andre: it's like, why would you create this fable around the Drake when Aubrey didn't grow up like that? Come on now. I was like, Aubrey had a nice, there's nothing wrong with coming from a hardworking single mom who put you through the, one of the best private schools and you had a very good, you had a religious background, like you, you were all into the Judaism and stuff.

15:26Andre: Like. He, he knew like all the holidays and the, the, the, the food that they, like that was Drake or Aubrey and then once he kind of shed at that Degrassi and he was doing the backpack rapping stuff, it's like, Oh wow, you're, it's almost like you're just emulating who you are around. And I remember when, when, when Drake signed with Young Money, if you listen closely, he's literally, literally and physically Lil Wayne lite, like the same delivery.

15:58Andre: It's like. It was just, it was at that moment where you're kind of like, if you're paying attention and you're seeing every pilot, you kind of vibing with it as well. You're like, are they seeing what I'm seeing? Like,

16:10KT: yeah,

16:10Andre: they're kind of pushing this guy forward. And it's like, there's a reason for it. Like his stuff was successful, but it was kind of weird where it's just like, how big is this guy going to get?

16:20KT: And how is he always at the scene of the crime?

16:25Andre: It's like, why are you always here, bro? Like Crodie? Why are you always here? It was just, it was the way he was moving. It was just like, especially like when he was, uh, when he was giving Rihanna that award and the way he was speaking, it was just like, yo, man, like.

16:43Andre: You're not talking like you've been here before. You're not talking like, this is just, this is unique. It's like, I've always seen those tweets even before the Kendrick stuff popped off, where people are like, Drake is Aubrey's best role. Like, he's acting. He's putting, he's putting this on because like bringing it back to that, um, video with his mom and stuff, it's like, yes, you can listen to the music, but you weren't dressing like this.

17:10Andre: Like you didn't have braids. You didn't have a fresh line up with a fade. Like you, you let it grow out naturally, but like Pusha said, it's like your fro wouldn't nap enough. Like what is, what is,

17:20KT: and that's okay, just don't, just don't put it on. And, uh, Pete Davidson and Peter Rosenberg, is that his name? Yes. There was a clip that I think it might've been after he just did SNL. Like he hosted for SNL Drake and Pete Davidson was like, he was really cool. Like he bought everyone jackets. He was very nice. He was, he didn't use the word cordial, but that's essentially what he was saying. Um, and. like him playing Drake is like the biggest actor of all time.

17:48KT: And that was like years, years, years ago. And they were both talking about as like Jewish guys, when you meet another Jewish guy that loves hip hop, you know, each other, like you get each other and you understand the sort of person that Drake is, or like the sort of persona that he puts on as well. Yeah.

18:06Andre: It's like, you know, you know, your people, when you see them, that's what I, that's what I, I know that clip that you're talking about, because it's, uh, it's like, they were saying a lot without saying much.

18:16KT: Yes.

18:17Andre: And I was like, Oh yeah, it's like, it's like as an out, as an outsider and from their community, you're just like, okay, I'll listen to them. They see, they see something that, um, I see, but I just, it's not my place to say it.

18:32KT: Like a lived experience type of thing as well. And this is, this is something interesting because Like there are the chats that we have like on like socials and that sort of thing and it's been really cool to be able to, you know, extrapolate and be able to, um, you know, simmer into these sort of discussions, but I guess it's also one of those things of like.

18:55KT: Is the audience, and I'm not even saying the black community, I'm saying non, I'm saying everyone else, including my people, um, are they the problem? Because if we continue to see the, like him doing what he's doing, but we're still waving our hands, making us dance, is, is that part of that? Or are they two completely different things that don't equal each other?

19:19Andre: I feel like it's, I feel like it's all in the same plate. Sometimes they touch sometimes they don't and I feel as though It kind of goes back to like what I was saying how like hip hop is now the top genre and everybody can partake in it whether you're providing music or listening to it and I feel like we're at the stage now in hip hop where It's not, um, it's not, um, abnormal to hear a white guy say that, oh, Wu-Tang's my favorite group.

19:51Andre: Like, back in the day, I'd be like, what you doing listening to Wu-Tang? Now it's like it's Yes, Shkreli Yeah, it's okay. Holding on to that album for so long. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like, I feel like people are here, whether they're black, Asian, whatever, white. Right. I feel like they, they want to be involved.

20:14Andre: They want to, they want to be down. They want to have, they want to have, they, they want to be cool. They want to have fun, but not everybody knows what they can and cannot do. But also it's like, it's also out of my control what they do, because it's like, you're not going to stop the concert just because a whole bunch of white people are saying that word, you know,

20:33KT: Okay, so I agree with what you're saying, but I would also say like people, why can't you enjoy something without having to avatar skin yourself? That's what I'm saying, because I don't know if you've met more Islanders now that you've been around their, their refusal to give up the N word. is why. And that's so interesting because that's personally, and shout outs to my Islanders, if you're listening to this, welcome, it's a place of change. So it might not be comfortable.

21:06KT: But it's one of those things of like, you can tell there are some Islanders that don't hang around or don't know any black people because they then try and embody that themselves. You know what I mean? So I understand the grace that you're giving, but I would also say to my people and to non Black people, you know what you're doing.

21:24Andre: Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you don't talk to your grandma like that. Do you? That's hard. I always boil it down to like, I see, like I'm, I'm half Filipino, half African American, so I see like that balance where it's like. You don't talk to your Lola like that. So why are you talking to me like that? Like, you don't have to put that on for me.

21:42Andre: You can enjoy the music. You can like the culture. You can wear the clothes, but when it comes to using that word, it's like, Hmm, why are you using it around me? I'm like, I don't, I don't. I can say that I'm a bit sensitive to it, because I also grew up in the South, but I have, I have, I have, it sounds goofy when you say it like this, but it's like, I have a lot of black friends, and they're gonna say it, and I'm not gonna sit there and stop them, and I, sometimes I'll, I'll say it too, but, I don't, it's not a part of my vocabulary where I'm constantly saying it and have, having it questioned, but it's like, it's such a It's such a word.

22:20Andre: It's like, there's so many other words you can use. Why does everybody want to use it? It's like, I know like black people make it look cool, but man, it's, if, it's also you have to respect people's boundaries because not every black person wants to use that word or hear it around them. I, I grew up around some black people who were like that, who were like, don't say that.

22:40Andre: Don't say that to me and then they give you like the history of it And then some people will respect that and then they'll still use it over there but that's definitely one of those conversations that comes a part of like the Culture corporation thing like it was heavily pushed like in the early rap days A lot of a lot of rappers didn't use it.

23:01Andre: But then once you got into like the late Late 80s and the 90s. They're like, oh we can rap that we can say that hell you speak it might as well So it was constantly It wasn't questioned anymore amongst the rappers, but the fan base is just like, wait a minute. There's not a, not a lot of brothers and sisters in this crowd. What's going on?

23:25KT: Well, it's, it's kind of like you said with, um, the Pete Davidson and the Peter Rosenberg. Uh, interview, like that is a lived experience and that is a nuanced conversation that I'm not a part of, but I'm just saying if you're in my community and you're my people, it's not nuanced. Like it's not, it's none of our business.

23:43KT: We can, we can enjoy the raps. Um, but yeah, it's, it's definitely an interesting sort of vessel Kendrick Lamar clip. of that white lady at the concert. She still shouldn't have said it. Like, um, you know, I keep bragging about my 180 plays of Not Like Us in May. Um, when, like, and I think it only came out on the 5th. So it was 25 days. I listened to it 180 times. Nary an N word was said in my presence, in my, out of my mouth. It's possible, guys. Like, it's

24:18Andre: true. Yeah, you could control yourself. Like it's, it's, It is what it is. It's like I can't control what is said around me, but I know what I can control what I say, and it's almost like if you're the one of the few black people around in a area where you're not like the dominant race, it's kind of like the people who like that kind of music, they kind of wait for you to see if you're going to say it in a sentence.

24:43Andre: It's almost like double dutch. It's like, is he going to say it? And if he says it, is it cool? Then I don't know. It's like, I don't like being in those situations where I kind of have to. Put my foot down and be like, that word was used there. And you don't like, you shouldn't have to, I don't want you to say it, but it's like, yeah, I shouldn't have to, it's like you shouldn't have to. I'll res if it's said around me, I respectfully say, especially if it's a non-black person, I'll be like, don't use that word around me. You can say it whenever, but don't use it around me. Thank you. And if it's an issue, then we'll solve it.

25:13KT: Yeah. It doesn't have to be like a conversation you have to have all the time. I, I absolutely am. So that's why I'm here fighting everyone else. I'll do it. Tell me, tell me where drop the pin. Well, let's get into the, the, uh, beef. Um, I don't know if you want to go track by track. You want to go through some beats. I will say that there hasn't been a lot of talk about J. Cole, but Jermaine Cole is living the best piece of his life.

25:40Andre: Jermaine is enjoying the sun right now. He's probably learning how to fish wood carving. He's doing everything but rapping.

25:48KT: One of my, one of my favorite moments, like out of the rap beef, but like in regards to talking about the rap beef was when I think I shared some tweets that I tweeted about. I tweeted about J. Cole before we all knew about ScHoolboy Q shout out ScHoolboy Q.

26:06KT: Um, and, and all the real ones that give you a heads up when you need to pull your head in. Right. Um, but you responded. To my tweets and we had a lovely conversation about the difference of being book smart, because this isn't on the podcast as well. So I'm just going to very quickly put it. So it's immortalized on here. Yeah.

26:27KT: I was always a bit iffy on J. Cole, um, because I guess. Lyrically, I would say that he envisions to align himself with not necessarily the socially conscious rapper, but rapping from his own experience. Because I think sometimes people conflate the two and they're actually different. Um, but like about the struggle about his experiences, lyrically, that's where he is.

26:54KT: But I, it kind of feels like sometimes J. Cole tries to amass to the. Fame of like the popularity of, and that's not necessarily a bad thing because if you're putting in work, you do want some sort of recognition, right? Um, but the whole Noname situation,

27:13Andre: Oh boy.

27:15KT: Like I think if there were moments where I'm like that moment, I was like, so yeah,

27:20Andre: that was, that was very weird to me. Cause I, I, I, I do consider myself a J. Cole fan and when it's kind of like, once he said like, I don't read books, I was just like,

27:30KT: huh? As a flex. Yeah. Like that's not,

27:33Andre: that's not the flex. Like I feel like books are so it's like books, we don't have to talk about the importance of books. Like there's a reason why they're trying to ban them in libraries sometimes. Like, yes, that's bad government ruling, but books are important. And there's so many books that have been written from the time when black people were allowed to read and write and to now and we're getting these stories where we're all connected. We're learning so much where that wasn't in the history books.

28:05Andre: And then we have these books come out and you're like, Oh, wow, this is, this is so deep. This is, this is so. If this opens your eyes to what life was like and to sit there and say like, I don't read books It's like then who are you talking to? Are you talking to scholars? Are you talking to just like your buddies?

28:26KT: Yeah, like

28:26Andre: that have the same mindset It's like it's it becomes an echo chamber and I feel as though in this day and age you can't afford to be ignorant No matter how cute it may look on social media It's Google is there for a reason.

28:42KT: Yeah,

28:42Andre: it's like people act like Google is like a monthly subscription and they refuse to pay for it It's like a quota.

28:49KT: Yeah,

28:50Andre: I can't Google that Let me just ask Twitter and it's just something simple or let me let me ask in this comment section It's like if you really want to know it's nothing wrong with putting in the work and the books are there There's articles there is I just don't think that it's important It's not cute to be ignorant in this time, in this time.

29:11Andre: I don't know. It's, there's a lot going on in the world. And I know it can be tough to, to view what's the truth and what's not, but that's when you gotta, you gotta apply and apply yourself to know what to research. Is this a reliable source? Who's writing this? Why is this person right? So I know it sounds like a lot.

29:30KT: No, it's not. It's basic shit, man.

29:33KT: Like before you open your mouth, before you twerks with your finger taps, like do something, but I will say. I kind of feel like that was a deflection, like that a topic in and of itself. But I think sometimes you need to square up and take that lesson right in the face.

29:51KT: And he kind of like dodged it. He kind of like accountability and it's like, you can say like literally within your own community, they're trying to correct you. And I think being corrected is okay, especially if it's done with love and that sort of thing. So my point is I was a bit iffy on him. Like you can keep doing your raps. Um, like super cool, happy, love ya guy. Um, and now he's like Robin Thicke, like riding his bike. That's a very deep cut friends and lovers. I'm aware of that.

30:24KT: He's always been R&B singing, but you know, that was a very specific reference. And if you didn't understand it, you're not in the age demographic, but you're happy. Like, I'm happy for you to be friends and lovers. So, um, did you think anything about, you don't need to, but did you think anything about 7 Minute Drill?

30:40Andre: I listened to it one time just to make sure that I wasn't missing anything. And I think even before

30:47KT: cracker in there, I think it was something about, yeah, there was something about, and I'm like, respect your heritage, brother.

30:53Andre: I'm like that. Yeah. That's half of your DNA. My guy, that's your, can you imagine being J. Cole's mom, being happy to listen to another J. Cole album? And then you hear him say crack and it's just like, What

31:06KT: I would rather be, I would rather be that mother than be Drake's mother and oh my goodness, have my son text me that Rick Ross is being racist. Mommy, he's calling me white boy.

31:16Andre: What? Oh my god. Uh, this should have been a much longer text. string with him and his mom. That, that looks set up.

31:27KT: It would make it worse though. I think it's one of those situations where if you knew more, I don't think, um, I feel like we need to pay some respects to my king, uh, Kung Fu Kenny. Cause we haven't really spoken about him at all. And we've certified

31:44Andre: Boogeyman.

31:45KT: Yeah, we've got some, um, Pet Sematary to get to as well.

31:49Andre: Yes.

31:50KT: Um, but I just want to hear your general feeling about throughout the beef. Uh, Kendrick, like, where do you feel? Cause I feel like personally at Euphoria, it was done. Um, obviously there's more information. That came out after but if I'm like in my very narrow scope of like what a rap beef is and you know Lyrically one upping and triple deading your opponent. I feel like it was done at Euphoria But I would love to hear your thoughts on Kendrick throughout the beef. You can talk about Drake, but yeah. Yeah.

32:19Andre: Okay Yeah, I felt like the "Control" verse everybody knows like it all starts there. And then when he was on a cipher at BET, it's like, we know who he was talking about. Like Drake was the only one that took that too seriously. Yeah. It was just like, Hey man. It's a competition. I want to be better than you.

32:39Andre: I want to take your fan base, blah, blah, blah. And then he, he took it the wrong way and he just held onto that for so long. And they were just kind of like pity patent with like jabs here and there. But I felt like Kendrick. Was was always ready for this. It's like he was able to do, he's not battle

32:58KT: ready, bro. Oh, whatever. He's not battle tested. What a say? A battle.

33:02Andre: And Drake was battle tested. Like I understand Meek Mill at the time, he, he wasn't looked at as he was now.

33:07KT: Yeah.

33:08Andre: And Meek Mill's background of being a battle rapper, I feel as though it's like, that's like where you could tell. I kind of equate a lot of stuff to boxing because I'm a fan, but it's like, you could tell a fighter who took the fight too early. He didn't take the training seriously. He felt like I fought tougher guys. This guy's not beating me. And then Drake beat him. Yeah. Embarrassed him.

33:30KT: Um, just like Jack Johnson, right? You had that like white boxer that was like the champion and he's like, Oh, I'm the champion of the world. And Jack Johnson kind of was like, Noah Lyles was like champion of what it was like, fight me, bro. Come outside and fight me. Yeah.

33:44Andre: And, um, I feel as though Kendrick was able to do his music. Everything was his, his own. And then once "Like That" came out, like. I saw through Twitter, like, yo, Kendrick's on this album. And I'm like, no, he's not like the, the features weren't listed. So I had to go and listen to it. And I'm like, oh, Kendrick's not, he's not here to play.

34:04KT: Yeah.

34:05Andre: He mentions First Person Shooter. He mentions that. Oh, they're buddy, buddy on the stage right now.

34:09KT: Yeah.

34:09Andre: I'm like, Oh, he's ready for war. And I don't think, I don't think Drake took him seriously.

34:14Andre: It felt like, Oh, what I did to Meek, I can do to Kendrick. I can get all these memes. I could get. Whatever narrative on social media and my fans and the internet are gonna ride with it But Kendrick was like what you did then is not gonna work now and even if Drake was prepared I don't think Any form of Drake is beating Kendrick song for song in that in this like in this battle Like I I can't listen to Family Matters anymore because no matter how hard the beat is It's just like you're you're spouting a bunch of nonsense like nothing's stuck Nothing's stuck in Family Matters and it's like when Push Ups came out It's like he was almost AI and I remember When it came out, I'm like, this is okay, but I feel like this is the type of song Drake's fans are going to take it and run with like, Oh, he called him a pipsqueak.

35:13Andre: He told him to pipe down. What kind of Disney Channel bully nonsense was that? Pipsqueak, pipe down. Parental advisory.

35:21KT: Yeah, you have size seven. You're, you got small feet, Kendrick.

35:26Andre: Whatever, bro. Like, yeah, but the beat that ended Push Ups, I was like, that's the beat he should have rapped on. So then when Family Matters came on, I'm like, okay. Drake's not playing around. He's taking it seriously. And the, the video with the van, and then he changes up the beat. I'm like, okay, this is going to be fun because Drake is taking it seriously. That's what I thought.

35:50KT: Sorry. Wouldn't you also, cause I personally. I was already tired of it. Um, I don't have a lot of like patience for Drake.

36:02KT: Um, Like just, and it's funny cause I haven't even been keeping up with him, but I think we we've all encountered that whether it's in the workplace, whether it's in our own community or family or whether it's out in the streets, like, I feel like we've all encountered that before. And, you know, even, But even from a strategic point of view, it was confusing and frustrating to me because it was still going at other people because by this point we've zoomed in now, right?

36:31KT: We're only looking like it's, it's, it's Goku and Vegeta, it's Naruto and Sasuke, it's Sub-Zero and Scorpion, like we're just We're just focusing on each other and whether he chose not to, whether he thought it was a flex because so many people, you know, one, one V 20 or whatever it is like at that point, you just need to go straight for Kendrick.

36:53KT: There was no reason for you to go through to anyone else. So that was always very confusing to me. And I think if you want to be generous. Because a lot of people were saying, like, this is the most, like, this is the most rap he's ever rapped. He rapped the rap, um, in Family Matters. So if you want to be generous, you can say that's his strongest offering.

37:12KT: Um, but the moment that the Not Like Us video came out, any sort of claims that he mentioned, obviously that's not to say that, you know, the, the domestic violence and all that sort of stuff. Not to say that that's eviscerated by the image, but a lot of it was all very, uh, like Kendrick said, it was a bit shaky a Parkinson, like, you know what I mean? At some point it's like, shut up, bro.

37:37Andre: Yeah. Yeah. It's like, um, despite. rap music requiring words and stuff to get your point across. Kendrick used the old phrase of actions speak louder than words. And by having Whitney and his children in that video, that just completely, at least in my opinion, that completely annihilates the claims Drake was trying to put off. Cause it's like, I don't want to sit here and say Drake is the P word, but he's got a lot of evidence. That can put him into that bubble. Hanging around young girls.

38:10KT: You mean a certified Pied Piper?

38:11Andre: Yes, yes that one. So it's like he's he he him hanging around all these young girls It's just like you a grown man. Like what do you have in common with these girls? Lip gloss or nail polish tips? What are you doing hanging around them?

38:26KT: He's popping ass with them.

38:28Andre: Yeah with him and Sexyy Red taking selfies in the mirror Yeah, that's to me. I think that's the funniest part in the whole beef when Euphoria when he's like, can I bleed him? He's like, yep. He's like, I see you stand by Sexyy Red. I believe you see two bad bitches. That's the funniest thing in the whole

38:46KT: because it's like, it's funny. Like, I don't know why people think he's the most serious. He is very serious, but he's also very serious.

38:54Andre: I mean, and I feel like you could see Drake being like, man, those girls over there think they so cute. Watch this. And he'll like, try to out twerk girls. Like, it's like, he puts that picture in your head with that little bar. Like Drake don't like seeing any woman shine unless he's with them. It's weird.

39:10KT: But you need to know how to keep them, especially a black woman, like shut up. Like, did you see Serena, was it the ESPY awards? Serena Williams doing a crip walk.

39:20Andre: Yeah, like,

39:20KT: this is,

39:21Andre: it's like, why are you taking all these stabs at these women like this? It's like, it's not very masculine. It's like, you just, you had your relationships with them, that's it, but it's like, it's, he's almost showing his hand where it's like, he has nothing else to talk about.

39:37Andre: Yeah. He has nothing else to talk about where it's like I'm not saying I want old man raps from Drake But let's I I wouldn't mind hearing a song about his son or his like having fame now Like what was fame like now? I'm, not like look, I don't want to sit here and act like a Drake lover, but I just I think the main, yeah,

39:59KT: a Certified Lover Boy.

40:00Andre: I don't want artists to constantly be stuck in this, this bubble where this is all the music you can make.

40:08KT: Don't you think he's comfortable and he sometimes allows himself to be positioned that way?

40:14Andre: I, I think you, I think you might, you might be onto something. I think you might be onto something because I feel like Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers was dismissed too quickly because it was so deep. And Kendrick saying like, okay, this is what I've been going through. And Drake could make an album, I'm not, really let me rephrase that, I don't think Drake could make Mr. Morale & the Big Steppers, but he could make something that's more fitting to him, where it's like, the fame ain't what it used to be, I'm, I'm sick of this, I'm sick of that, I'm sick of all of this, but who wants to hear that from his fanbase, when he put out that dance album, people were like, yo, put that down, we don't wanna hear that, So it's like he even, he didn't even stray that far from what Drake usually makes.

41:00Andre: Yeah. But people were like, get back here. We don't wanna hear that.

41:04KT: Mm-hmm. I, it's interesting, I think the best way that I can distill like my feelings of, I guess the optics, because I think Drake thought that he was an, like, he was a jester in a court without realizing that Kung Fu Kenny was in the gladiatorial ring.

41:23KT: yeah. At the gladiatorial arena. Pardon me. Um, like, I don't think he realized what this was because it was always commercially friendly. I guess he could sort of say even the sort of the beefs that he had, but I think the. For me, the way that I see it and you know, you can say that I'm glazing, which I think is a very gross word, by the way. is. I feel like it only applies to Drake, but.

41:45Andre: I can't, I can't even talk about donuts anymore now. They'd be like, what donuts would you like? I'm like, the frosted ones. The crispy glazed ones. You mean the glazed ones? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

41:56KT: I know I'm super always eternally in love with Kendrick and I know that, like, feel free. That's not going to insult me in any way. It only makes me more powerful friends. Um, but what I will say is art is reflective of life and If you are busy chasing the charts and catching on to the catchy beats, you're not taking time to live that life to be able to reflect that into your art. And I think we kind of see that with the microwave memes of Drake right now.

42:26Andre: It's like, uh, Kendrick, he really, he's really the artist that I think that I like to listen to because he's evolved. His sound has changed. It's like he's, he made a choice to be vulnerable. And talk about things that have affected him and turn him into the person that he is or he was because he's got the therapy and whatnot. But the way that boy was rapping, he was out for blood.

42:52Andre: Like, Mr. Morale is very peaceful. I love, um, I love Die Hard. I love, um, Rich Spirit. Like, those songs, it feels like that's a new Kendrick. But when he was on Euphoria and that beat changed to when, uh, he said, he was talking about, Ha, remember? When that beat change, I'm like, Oh no, this, this is still the extension is my middle name. As soon as you hop off of that, like, Oh my

43:18KT: God, only you like being famous.

43:22Andre: Yachty can't give you no swag either. I don't give a fuck about who you hang with. This guy was, he was there. Like he's, he's out for blood. He's, he wasn't playing around. And I was so glad that he didn't let Family Matters breathe. Yep. When he dropped Meet the Grahams, it was just that killed the whole mood. Cause people are like, Oh, this is Drake's back in it. Do the mile shimmy dance. So we start

43:46KT: back.

43:47Andre: We start back, baby. OVO we here. And then Meet the Grahams came on and that piano hits. Yeah, that's some diabolical super villain stuff.

43:58Andre: But funny, as scary as that song was when. I think Euphoria and Meet the Grahams were out I had like a playlist of just Euphoria, 6:16 and Meet the Grahams on and I was like my night my day to sleep in, and I would just wake up and hear Meet the Grahams I'm like, Oh, what a nice lullaby. This is so nice. This is so pleasing to hear this man call out this whole dude's family. It's so nice and I just fall asleep.

44:26KT: I listened to it 41 times, and it was, it was so funny because because yeah I got the playlist as well but I didn't get It's not on like Apple, but, um, we were looking at it cause Oti and I like comparing like the stats. Um, and obviously the Not Like Us and Euphoria, it wasn't surprising how much I listened to it. And he was like, how and what kind of psycho listens? And I was like, I'm the psycho. Yeah.

44:50Andre: That's, that's, that's the thing. That's the looking

44:53KT: at spreadsheets, listening to Meet the Grahams

44:56Andre: If you're a deem yourself a hater, that's your national anthem. Please, please rise. And it's just Meet the Grahams and show you stand up, put your hand over your heart and you smile. You might get a little tear run down your cheek. But truthfully, I don't have a hatin' bone in my body.

45:11Andre: Oh my God. The best part to me is this week, the lies and how it sounds like I listen to most of our music with headphones or I have speakers in my office. And I sat here when Meet the Grahams came on and the speakers, it's just like, You hit that void like you know how like anime when like you hit everything goes black and it's just the one guy standing there That's how it felt.

45:34Andre: I'm like, I I'm listening to something that I don't think any artist could ever repeat or Try and do because this is I'm like, I hate you, dude

45:45KT: Yeah.

45:46Andre: I'm writing a letter to your mama, your daddy, your son.

45:50KT: This is Rock Lee, um, with the last Lotus Gate. This is Ichigo in Bleach with his black wig. This is reaching the final level of Super Saiyan, like. Yeah, this is,

46:01Andre: this is Vegeta letting the Majin take control of him.

46:04KT: Oh, absolutely. This is it.

46:05Andre: This is, he's like, I let it happen. Goku. I felt something that I had never felt before, Goku. And I ain't never turned him back. I turned back. I like the way this feels. I'm killing all these people at the stadium. That's Family Matter.

46:23Andre: Not that you got, you, you, you named your song after the Urkel show. And I always, I'm not as big as a Kanye fan as I used to be, but I love that line that Kanye says. It's like, there's too many Urkels on your team. That's why your wins low.

46:39KT: Oh, and

46:41Andre: for him to just think like Family Matters was going to be it

46:46KT: not against

46:47Andre: the button. Oh, that was it. It was like Looney Tunes when the rocket goes up, it came right back down. Yeah, it was Meet the Grahams. And wow, like it's so spooky. It's so scary. I love it. It's my lullaby and Not Like Us hadn't. I don't think nobody saw Not Like Us coming.

47:08KT: Yeah. Let's, let's touch on that before we get to Pet Sematary. Yes. Um, because it was also the music video, which I haven't, I was going to mention to Brent and then we, I guess went somewhere else and then I forgot, but there was a tweet, a tweet that I saw, um, talking about like the four elements of hip hop being dance, graffiti. DJing as well as an MC. And that's kind of what you see in the initial and also that intro. We better get that. But anyway, Oh

47:34Andre: my God.

47:37KT: Reincarnated. Oh,

47:39Andre: I've been stargazing. Oh my god, that he he knew what he was doing with that. He knew what he was doing. That's such a such a cool beat such a cool little way to start and everybody was like is this gonna be like the Alright video when you just don't release the song it's like you went from happy to sad instantly when you realize like oh he's done this before.

48:05KT: We ain't never got that but yeah.

48:07Andre: No, never have. I thought it was gonna be you. I like that record.

48:09Andre: Yeah. I thought it was gonna be sucked that all like, um, get, get back to that for the record. Unmastered. Well, I forgot he had that album. Untitled Unmastered. Mm-hmm. I thought it would be on there at some point, but No, no, we're never getting it.

48:20Andre: But yeah, like, Not Like Us. I remember. My wife took my little girl out and I had the house to myself. I had that blaring through the speakers. I'm like this, this was the victory song where it's just like, we're dancing on your grave Drake. There's nothing you can do. You can't come back. We're hitting, this is an anthem. Like this is stranger danger for the new generation.

48:42KT: And it's uniting while dancing on the grave as well.

48:46Andre: Like at the Pop Out when he had Westbrook and YG out there dancing. I'm like, yep. They're following through. This is what Drake wanted. Westbrook was

48:54KT: doing the John Travolta's. He was doing the Saturday Night Fever. I was like, that's pure joy.

49:01Andre: I loved it. This was, I don't know, Drake at the start and that Taylor Made Freestyle, he was saying like, you're following through. And that's all he's doing right now. He's following through. When he played, played the song five times at the Pop Out, we're just, we're just doing what you said. Yeah, we're following through and it's like, I'm seeing them, the memes and the videos now are like, can we stop with Not Like Us? It's been too long. I'm like, y'all would not.

49:26KT: No. Yeah. You stop. We're still here.

49:28Andre: No, it's like, I, I, I don't want to live in, in. Around you. If you're going to be like that, because I had to suffer through the Macarena for two years, that was not going away.

49:39Andre: And that was not a beef saw. We're going to let, I want a Christmas version of Not Like Us. I want, I want a Halloween version. Yeah. Chopped and screwed for Halloween. I want it nice and spooky. And then we're going to have a New Year's Eve special. We're going to have a Tupac. That was the, that was the, another meme that I love where people are like, now's the perfect time for Tupac to come back.

50:03KT: Like come back from Cuba. Yeah.

50:06Andre: With a big cigar and like one of those little Panama hats just come on stage and have a tail.

50:11KT: Well, it's all is forgiven. Just come back. Come back.

50:17Andre: We miss you. We love you.

50:18KT: I think that's the best way unless you have anything else.

50:23Andre: Oh no. I, I feel as though we know who won. It shouldn't be up for debate. Um, the Aubrey Angels can cry all they want. Their general wanted this. Their general didn't prep you. I'm a seasoned war general. I'm a war general. We're just doing, we're just following your orders.

50:44KT: And I also, um, I've also noticed that your Drake voice and your ignorant people that don't want a Google search voice is the same.

50:51Andre: Yeah. Yeah. Funny, funny how they are the same, huh?

50:54KT: Well, um, Tupac is coming back home and we've eviscerated Drake. So it's a great time, friends and lovers. Um, join us over on the B side. Uh, but thank you, um, Andre for like going through this. I'm very excited to talk about Pet Sematary and I feel like we could have talked way longer on this, but this was a beautiful chat for sure.

51:17Andre: Yes, it was.