Supacell – Major Tazer

Full transcript of Supacell – Major Tazer.

0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household, and it is another reset of the timeline, friends and lovers. Welcome back, Oti Omenbalayaya. How has it been? You've been living your best J. Cole life in the podcasting world with your break there. How did it all go?

0:21Oti: I have been enjoying it. It was good.

0:24KT: know what I haven't been enjoying? You're like, oh, babes, you know, like the rap stuff, like I'm cool on it. The moment you come back from your barber, you're telling me all of his theory.

0:38Oti: I have nowhere to go for an hour. I'm stuck on that chair. What do you think this is, bro?

0:47KT: Welcome back to the OG rap man, Oti. I'm very excited and we are in all ceremonies of ways Getting into a full review. Yes, friends and lovers, there are film festival stuff we will get to, including, uh, Siya Kolisi, uh, the film, which definitely a lot of thoughts along the way. But get satiated, friends and lovers, we know you're nasty and splooshy. Let's get on with the show. hey friends and UK loving lovers, welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got Your

1:23Oti: Podcast, you've got your host,

1:25KT: channel rage, fear, and representation into South London, where nobody never took my food.

1:37KT: Well, It's universal to not speak on the family, Crowdy. Man, I've been doing my research. out as the Rapman, He just did a U.S. press tour. and he said he wasn't sure why. UK and Canada have similar language. I, with Countryboi, said because there's a Jamaican diaspora there, but there you go. Activate powers, just add trauma with Supacell this week. Woohoo! We keep it spicy, friends and lovers. jerk spice if you're nasty. ha ha!

2:15KT: ha! Oh, friends and lovers, this has been a lot of fun. You know, we've dabbled in like DMing, chatting about the show, and I'm really glad we get some time. we did pop our Supacell cherry before you, Oti. I'm so sorry, but you are the most welcome in our love canals. Uh, Creator, director, writer, Rapman, shoutouts, also credited for writing. We have Sebastian Thiel, who is a fixture in the black filmmaking space in the UK, released on Netflix June, 2024. In regards to the cast, we have Tosin Cole, Adelayo Adedayo, Eddie Marsan, Nadine Mills, Eric Kofi-Abrefa, Calvin Demba, Josh Tedeku, as well as Ghetts. I just want to say it again, Ghetts,

3:09Oti: say it,

3:10KT: gets the bitches. I'm the bitches. Oh, okay. There's a lot to talk about. I guess while we're here. Spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, uh, scooters, scooters, Scooters. We're pulling up on you fam. Let's get into our general thoughts. my love.

3:32Oti: brings a fresh perspective to familiar superhero powers and motivations with a setting that adds depth only possible through a Black lens. You know Hotep Oti had to come into the house, eh?

3:47KT: Yeah, in every black timeline, you are the Hotep. That's for sure, Oti. Rapman injects new blood into the sci-fi genre with South London flavour. While the messaging didn't always overlap with impact, there is an endearing charm to Supacell that brings the realness.

4:09Oti: And the sickness.

4:11KT: Well, I'm not black, so I have to say realness instead. We have a lot of themes, uh, that I want to get into. do you have any general sort of, uh, Mr. Get off, is there anything you want to get off right now?

4:26Oti: Now I was hyped. I think just even watching the first episode and getting to see black people do their stuff in a world where we don't get to see a lot of that. Well, here we go. So

4:39KT: deliciously segue into our first theme. Storytelling and the importance of telling your own stories. Because you were you were giving me side eye when I told you where I learned about sickle cell. If it's good enough for Rapman it's good enough for KT man.

4:59Oti: Wow, run it back for them, like, where did you get to hear about sickle cell?

5:06KT: In Tupac's Hit 'Em Up.

5:08Oti: That's madness. Your educational system failed you. every one of yours

5:17KT: yeah absolutely

5:20Oti: No, but I think the importance of telling your own story is fundamental in this because I think that's what makes Supacell stand out, everything else, you could like, yeah sure, superhero powers have to protect or save someone or they have to gang up, you know, like we've seen that a plenty, but when you now focus on what makes it unique in who's getting to tell the story and why they're telling that story, I think that's one of the things even just hearing Rapman talk about the importance of what this meant to him. It just goes show you like a lot of the times passion will get you there, but I think The importance of writing something that's true to you. you could just see it on the screen. And that's what Supacell did.

6:15KT: And is it, is it more important to support it because of the story that's being told? Or does it also need to be qualitative?

6:24Oti: It has to be quality. It has to be good so that it can carry weight. Otherwise it wouldn't get, you know, it wouldn't get renewed for the second season. It

6:34KT: Congratulations actually. Yeah. I was too busy getting mad at your barber. I should have said that. at the top of the episode.

6:42Oti: Yeah, people, people tuned in and that's good.

6:46KT: also, uh, in our Don Cheadle's, uh, IMDb trivia, we have, uh, the fact that it was you, like, they use the specialized camera, the RE35, which was designed to show black skin in the best and most complimentary way. Not since Till, I think, we've actually had like a noticeable sort of commentary on the lighting for black skin.

7:13Oti: Yeah, I think Lena Waithe also talked a lot about it when she was doing Queen & Slim.

7:19KT: Which we've covered, friends and lovers. Yeah,

7:22Oti: so it's just good to show you, man. There's a lot that gets missed or doesn't get mentioned. front and center and when you see it, you gotta love it.

7:33KT: Absolutely.

7:53KT: Uh, the next theme that I have is Oti the sci-fi boy. And in regards to this particular genre, you definitely take the crown for this. I think of Expanse. I don't know if Halo qualifies as like a sci-fi, but in any case, this is your world. this is where you love and nurture and water it. So I want to know where this sort of fits in regards to, you know, how much you enjoy sci-fi, what you, I guess, hope to get out of sci-fi, and whether you got that or whether you got more or whether you got less with Supacell.

8:11Oti: I think the biggest thing about sci-fi for me is escapism. I think it's been that for such a long time.

8:17KT: are you escaping?

8:18Oti: Everyone.

8:21KT: Are you escaping or are they escaping you?

8:23Oti: Could work either way. I think it's just important to be able to, you know, fantasize and be in worlds where things that you deem impossible happen. And to me, that's where I feel most at home. To be able to explore that, experience more of that, and to see people who look like me on screen as well, it's just double fucking A.

8:47KT: I think this is also interesting in regards to sci-fi because I'm not necessarily I don't necessarily enjoy sci-fi because there are many more articulate people out there, friends and lovers, whether it's TikTok, YouTube, podcasts or otherwise, that are able to draw a line between the othering in sci-fi and the way that sometimes, if you'll pardon the pun, white people use sci-fi as an avatar skin.

9:14KT: To be the oppressed sort of people's in a story. so I really appreciated that Supacell was wholeheartedly, unapologetically black. love David Oyelowo, but, and also love Rashida Jones, but Silo is. is, it really frustrated me in a way because yes, they were characters that were black, but then there was a lot of talk about the resistance and, Yeah, it kind of gets muddied when you consider the sort of context that sci-fi has been used.

9:44KT: And I kind of want to meld into the theme, the topic, the, the recurring sort of, motif being used in regards to it would look like. it.

9:54Oti: And, you know,

9:55KT: so that's going to go today. Bye bye! We talked about it, in the pop out, but, he also has a lot of great episodes where he talks about, you know, uh, Exploitation by whether the government, corporations or otherwise, Henrietta Lacks, uh, comes to the forefront of black bodies, right? Being used for science, being used for other purposes, usually without consent. Tuskegee, for example as well.

10:22Oti: So,

10:23KT: you know, without even knowing a lot, watching a show in sci-fi where we have black characters, I, I couldn't help but. Think of that But it also didn't get in the way of me enjoying the show. Does that make sense?

10:38Oti: Yeah

10:39KT: Like I don't know specifically what would happen in the UK, but even just from You know examples given like in the US, it was interesting thinking about the way that Cause I guess from a writing point of view. We knew we wanted to get there But the writing to get there was I guess its own journey,

11:03Oti: my frustration was that I didn't pick it up sooner Yeah. Uh, it's right there in the title Supacell and even getting to see Michael's mom suffer through that. I was like, Oh, I still didn't put two and two because I thought what enabled them to get their powers was the trauma because every single time anyone got close to their powers or activate their powers is when they're going through ridiculous, actually racial sort of tension within the movie, within the show. So I was like, Farrah, that cannot be what gets you your powers.

11:47KT: You did pick it up though. I only knew about it because I be on the internet. So I saw, I think it was Rapman, but even just in general, people were talking about sickle cell, in regards to the show when the girlfriend was looking up, uh, jaundice. That's when you picked it up. So that was actually quite early in the show but how that's also in the intro why I said activate powers, just add trauma

12:14KT: It was interesting hearing Countryboi talk about it because he talked about it from the point of view of like X-Men with mutants and that's kind of how their powers get activated in like stressful sort of conditions, but I Watching it. That's not how I felt. It felt like mm,

12:32KT: Like, this is, yes, this is a gorgeous black cast, but it is hinging on the point that they're going through shitty things in the UK, which is very timely, right now, and this is where they get the powers. And I think for me, personally, especially if you think about the climate in the UK right now, there's a powerlessness that's there. So it's like we can live in this fantasy as you say, but we know how it is out there. It's fucking rough

13:01Oti: think that's where sci-fi now plays a role, right? you escape that shit out there and you come and disappear into the world of, of crazy and you know just getting to see them get lost in all of it, so it's still But that's what we're trying to change, right? That's what we're trying to change. That's what we're trying to see, get to know more or get to see more of. And to me, would I say, like, I had my frustration with the storytelling in this show, but overarching sort of feeling. At the end of it was quite enjoyable for me. You know, from a linear sort of storytelling perspective, I had qualms fam. And I know, I know we'll get to the qualms, but I had them. So I wouldn't sit here and say, hey, ten ten, but fam, it was good enough.

14:03KT: Yeah, I think we can enjoy it, but also, you know, and I guess it also stands in, the tapestry of television. I guess you could also say black television, but just in general, like we've had those shows and it's definitely miles ahead of Top Boy. Friends and lovers, go check out Top Boy. Our our review episode for Oti's Irish accent alone. go and check out Supacell. What I will say, one of your biggest qualms with Top Boy was that most of the nudity in sex scenes was with a white woman. So. Here we are.

14:37Oti: Here we are. See, all you had to do with Top Boy, 95 percent black cast, all the nudity went to the others, you know? I'm like, bruh, where's this representation? You know, and I think this is where we kept on talking about, I think we've also mentioned Queen & Slim. Lena Waithe saying, trying to show the black sexuality, the sexy women, it's there. Sexy men, it's there. Show it. If you want to show it, don't shy away from that shit. Anyway.

15:12KT: We wanna see it.

15:15Oti: When you're not zooming into, uh, Supacell, know. We get to see Michael and Dion navigate their love Uhhuh, which is, you know. Black people need to start talking to each other a bit more. Jesus Christ!

15:33KT: ha ha ha! That was

15:36Oti: one of the qualms I had in this show. All they had to do is just say the words.

15:42KT: I don't think you should be telling black couples what they should be doing, looking at me. But this is, okay, so if we talk about, the powers, Andre, well, I guess essentially he was broke, right? You know? It was Brandy and Ray J, He was waiting for another day in paradise. And also with Sabrina, she had that moment in the workplace. So Those are the activation sort of moments for them I still don't really understand Michael's activation moment unless we're saying him splooshing and him getting Very excited.

16:19KT: I guess don't play Jodeci and light candles around Michael because that's when his powers will get activated His

16:28Oti: So, bruh, I don't know who else went through that level of activation,

16:33KT: I remember his activation when he was doing the stabbing.

16:36Oti: No, like, he's, he's, he's meant to be the most powerful there. Or he is the most powerful there because he can control a lot of stuff.

16:50KT: Pickle's story.

16:54Oti: Yeah. No, no, just because, yeah, well, because story, but it is, it doesn't change the fact.

17:01KT: I guess so. What I will say, and friends and lovers, again, I did preface that I'm not into sci-fi. I remember when we first watched the trailer, and we're getting so excited, because again, it was a black love story. He was getting her a beamer, I think even in the trailer he was proposing, and we're like, oh, this is really sweet, you know? Like, we've got Love & Basketball, we've got oh my reps and all these gorgeous sort of places And then they turned it into sci-fi and I was like, Oh man.

17:30Oti: Knowing that it's sci-fi, maybe that's why I can let go that Michael is a delivery guy and is buying all this stuff. Mom's in the best treatment center, getting your girl a beamer, tax man needs to go visit Michael.

17:47KT: Maybe, Maybe Delivery Driver is the same as Waste Management in the U.S. Like it's code for something else.

17:55Oti: Maybe. Maybe that's what Season 2 is. Where the hell is Michael getting all this money from? Yeah, right?

18:03KT: Maybe he's like Dushane but instead of the white person running off with his money, they actually invested it.

18:10Oti: Right? Or Stringer, not giving it all away.

18:17KT: Exactly. but I guess while we're already talking about, Michael and Dion, I just like you said, they should have communicated. I wish they would have been in love. I wish they would have trusted each other, even when they were at the estate near the end of the series. And he's like, go home. And it's like, bro, she's here already. Just, just like empower her, make sure she can be there and not like get hurt. Cause that's essentially why she died. You

18:50Oti: come on.

18:51KT: funny.

18:52Oti: I felt like he went to back and forth with them in that regard. Like at some point you got to let the characters develop beyond that. You know, you can, you can, you can base your story around all this secrecy and up to a level. Cause I knew it was like what, six episodes, but episode five was still dealing with this. Like fam, no, let's progress. Let's not be afraid, man. If, if Fuck Netflix people will turn up on watch this. Let's progress. The story is God intended

19:24KT: you throwing your beanie now? No,

19:26Oti: I just remembered I remember how frustrated I was like nah

19:31KT: Well, let's continue that frustration because I want to talk about world building I I specifically want to talk about the presence of whiteness. again, friends and lovers, the OG Candyman, Love and splooshes to Tony Todd.

19:43KT: I always reference it because there is always a presence of whiteness. Like, even listening to interviews where Rapman was talking, you know, as as much as, I think it was on The Breakfast Club or either Hot 97. But he said, even if you're doing what you're doing and you're doing it for the people, there's always a bigger boss out there that you need to speak to. And he didn't say shucking and jiving, but that's essentially what he was saying.

20:08KT: Like you can, you can bring the realness, you can make your work, but there's always like a bigger boss out there. Does that make sense? In the world of entertainment, for example. So I don't think, and I think it would be, uh, I think it would be disingenuous to not have that looming presence of whiteness because again, In spaces where a lot of us aren't the majority That's how it will be and that's how it is structured even a lot of your independent artists friends and lovers are usually under a bigger umbrella peep game, right?

20:46KT: So in in regards to this particular theme I have two I have two points, uh, we can go wherever you want to go or you can go straight to the final level White devil boss at the end. I have Andre with the debt collectors with his son, AJ, and I also have Rodney and his white mama. I guess this is actually, is, is Rodney a J. Cole or is he a Drake white mama's boy?

21:18Oti: well, he, he's about it. Like, you know, the mom didn't want him. Uh, he, I think he moved when he was 16. He's been alone all that time. So you can tell that he's. He wants to be wanted and only when the best friend was like in hospital seriously injured and he's like, I need that connection. I need to go back home to my mom. Only for mom, for the mom to be the craziest character in the show.

21:50KT: Like I think to I don't

21:57Oti: Like,

21:58KT: how you can do that

22:04Oti: I think to, do that to your own kid, but who am I, man? Right? Yeah.

22:13KT: I think it was important to show. And again, it was interesting hearing Rapman talk about it because Charlamagne as you know Charlamagne. He was like, why did you have why did you have a character with a white mama? on there And Rapman's like, you know, cause they probably go through shit too. So he put them in the show. Yeah, that's some deadbeat shit for sure It was important to say cause I guess we get more of an understanding of who he is and why he's so cagey. Yeah,

22:41Oti: I think that's when they start sort of peering the veneer off him and making him a bit more vulnerable. Cause up until that point, it was always just standoffish.

22:50KT: he's,

22:51Oti: We don't get a sense of who he is as a person. just see, Oh, he's hanging up with his friend. Other than that, nothing really outside of the drug dealing. And even that is like, I want to do it when I want to do it. So. At least it showed us why he is like that, which makes a lot of sense.

23:20KT: call it projection, but you know, uh, I, I'm working on it. Uh, but that was really emotional to me because of AJ's response in particular. Like the fact that your kid understands and feels the need to protect you, being like, oh, I don't need this, like, take it back, take it back, that was fucking heartbreaking to me.

23:43Oti: What was it, 13? Take my phone? Jesus Christ. Yeah, that Man.

23:52KT: That's like decades of damage,

23:53Oti: though.

23:56KT: Man's had a grown man's worth of damage. that he will need to work through. But that was, in particular, that was really sad to me. you know, I, I guess you could call it research, but I was on Reddit. And there was some, there was some comments there, and I'm not going into demographics, but there was some comments that say, Why, if he had no money, why, why would he resist the debt collectors when he already had the money?

24:19KT: And it's like, Obviously, you've never been poor. Like, what are you talking about? That's not even that. But then people were like, why did He go shopping he had debt. And it's like, these, exactly.

24:32Oti: Bam.

24:35KT: I'm saying it without saying it. Like, these comments, they're probably the same comments that were like, why is the cast all black? And they're probably the same comments that felt sorry for that white breakdancer.

24:49Oti: Yeah. Fuck that noise.

24:50KT: Cause That's one of the realest, most relatable things that happened in Supacell.

24:54Oti: Yeah. To me, my frustration came to the debt collectors and not allowing space. Like sometimes you just have to be human to a certain level.

25:03KT: Really? You're expecting humanity from them?

25:06Oti: is work, but fam, your kid is there and you're still all ten toes. Like, ah, I'm going to take everything. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I just

25:19KT: But you're expecting them, You're expecting them to have humanity. I think that's

25:23Oti: does it take? What does it take? What does it take for them to just say, Hey, come back later. Let you get your kid out of the house. Then walk out, come back in later. You know, like just show some humanity, man. This black trauma everywhere. I see. Ox weeks. I demand brief I just told

25:48KT: Before we move into the specific characters and also their powers, I just want to talk about Like the final level boss. Because for a lot of it, we thought Krazy was the big bad. Right and for me like that could have been perfectly fine and you know, we talked about it in Top Boy as well Like you don't necessarily need to zoom out and we've also talked about it in Cube And a couple of other those of those sort of concept Films like you can just stay where you are.

26:20KT: You don't necessarily need to zoom out How did you feel about a moustache twirling white devil as the big big boss bad? uh, for Supacell?

26:29Oti: made sense Because they're still grounding the story in some sort of reality. So it only makes sense that the big bad isn't because you're all soldiers. And that's what he was being told you all have just being used to stifle yourselves because if you, you know, if you band together, you could actually overthrow all this people. So. It makes sense that Krazy isn't the big bad. And I knew of a hundred percent certainty he wasn't the big bad.

27:04KT: He's a rude boy bad man. though, But come on, you did feel a way when they

27:13Oti: that.

27:15KT: expected

27:16Oti: I don't know. I don't think, I expected it. Maybe that softened the blow. Okay. Did you not?

27:25KT: Well, I was zoomed in, like, to me, it didn't matter at that point. I was more like, why is Michael fighting Dion? Like, that's wild to me. Because at that point, she's already there. Like, she's in danger, and she probably shouldn't be in danger, but that's not on her, that's on the mandem, right? She's already there, and then by her being there, and him not accounting for her being there and empowering her, that kept her vulnerable, and that's how she actually died.

27:52Oti: Yeah, like,

27:54KT: not

27:54Oti: and that's, I don't know what they do because it can't, I'm not seeing a world where Michael continues living without Dion there. No, like I just, with the way he acted for the first and a half episodes. Imagine that, especially if there's no passage of time and it's immediately after season two sets in after, you know, that scene where Dion is dead in the car and whatever. I think I'm going to be throwing beanies and hats at the TV. this is

28:32KT: thing or whatever it was called. but this is this is what I wanted to say to you because we were both getting very frustrated with Michael But I feel like you got more frustrated with Michael, and this is what's confusing to me because I saw a lot of similarities with you and Michael, right?

28:49KT: Not just the fact that you enter another dimension when you're splooshing, but also, like, I get, like, I could see you doing that. Like, if you felt like you needed to protect me and you thought you could do it by yourself, like, I feel like that would very much relate to you, or you don't see that.

29:08Oti: Nah, don't. I feel like I'll just tell you how it is.

29:12KT: End of show.

29:13Oti: End of show. Let's spend these three weeks like mad, you know? No, but I, I get what you're saying. I think it's more, and I understand him wanting to do it alone, thinking that, hey, if only I can get these guys to band together and we can stop these people, this fire. teleporting guys then yeah bad but once that became clear that it wasn't gonna happen and up you up until the last minute and you're still so stubborn

29:47KT: Uh huh Bam

29:49Oti: the character development was an issue it's gotta you gotta move to some degree you know and it got to a point where like Dion has to just be like yeah I'm gonna leave your ass for this yeah that's when he was like oh

30:06KT: I'd

30:07Oti: was never a fucking possibility by the way, you know, they're being treated. Yeah. Yeah, be wanting. And maybe that's why, like, cause even if you juxtapose him to Tazer, I was not Tazer's biggest fan. I don't know. He did

30:43KT: of, because of, uh, school Boarders?

30:46Oti: Uh, nah. He was alright there. He was alright in Boarders. I think it's more, because he's also very close, closed, and we don't get to know a lot about him.

31:00KT: He's also young though.

31:02Oti: He's young but he's moving as if he's got the Oh I've gotta be above the streets. Why?

31:10KT: Naman?

31:11Oti: Oh my fucking god naming

31:14KT: What's the last time we said Naman?

31:18Oti: Just forgot

31:20KT: Yes,

31:20Oti: he's naming I'm like brah

31:23KT: Yeah,

31:24Oti: if it wasn't for webay, you're not here

31:27KT: Yeah.

31:28Oti: So why is he he's only here because

31:30KT: why are you why are you robbing the very people that would kill you without hesitation

31:37Oti: And then for him to have this, like, to beat up Krazy's guy, I'm like, what?

31:44KT: Like, Tiny getting shot was on you. Like, there was no one else to blame. Because you knew that was happening. Like, someone needed to get caught. It was, it maybe, probably, definitely wasn't Tazer because out of affection of his mum. Because at this point now, now where we are, we knew that Ghetts knew about the mum. He might've even known that the mum died.

32:04KT: or was murdered in the facility he probably knew that because he seems high enough in the ranks right yeah so he had an affinity for Tazer uh in addition to all of that so Tazer wasn't going to get caught but he needed to learn his lesson and Tiny had to suffer that.

32:20Oti: but in what world do you steal someone's drug

32:24KT: Exactly.

32:25Oti: and You expect no fucking consequence. Yes And when that shit happens, you're all in your feelings about it.

32:34KT: Yeah. Come on now And they're coming and ransacking and, like, scaring your grandma?

32:40Oti: Yeah, I do not like Tazer one bit if even like even when he was being saved He was still, he was still showing dude, man. He was just pouting in the corner.

32:50KT: Yeah.

32:51Oti: How are you pouting when you've been knocked out? Oh, yeah. Not a fan

32:58KT: Not a fan of Tazer, hey? Not a

33:00Oti: of Tazer. Fuck sakes, man. Man needs some serious development.

33:04KT: Okay. I I can see your qualm with Tazer. but I can understand why his character's like that. Michael, I just, on any given day, however the wind was winding, that's what Michael was up

33:19Oti: You know what he, a perfect example of what he is as well? He's Tariq in Ghost, thinking that he's got everything when he's done shit all.

33:28KT: No, but Tariq did prove his muster a couple of

33:31Oti: In Ghost? No, he did not. He was just a spoiled kid.

33:35KT: No, but They just kept going around in circles writing wise. I, I think that's more of a writing thing.

33:42Oti: if you're the how I'm just gonna leave that because we'll be covering those shows later Anyway for Tazer, I think we still need to get to know more about him and maybe season two gets to See us explore a bit more of him because I don't think I want to know more about Michael at this point Michael could take the back seat

34:04KT: We we had enough and we still had too

34:07Oti: Tazer seems like, okay, there's a lot going on here. Let's try and unpack that.

34:13KT: I guess before we, go into the other characters, we talked about Andre a little bit. Is there anything else you want to say about him?

34:21Oti: For someone who's been wanting a relationship with the son for so long and trying to create that bond. Yep.

34:27KT: Chasing away the little, the little kids around the block.

34:31Oti: Ignoring calls telling your son. Oh, let's go to the movie and then backing out.

34:36KT: Yeah. But, you don't

34:38Oti: Nah, you don't do that shit

34:40KT: now

34:41Oti: and also

34:43KT: that we're on the topic, this was really frustrating and shout outs to Vince Staples Love Vince Staples But he referred to I'm not, I'm not, I can't even say the word but he had a very funny tweet in regards to this show, and I guess I'll more describe it instead of saying the actual word, but Vince Staples referred to, uh, I guess the sort of agents, like the black agents, like Ghetts, for example, as like doing the white man's work.

35:14KT: Right. And there was an interesting part. And I, think I started to clock it in regards to Andre, you know what I'm going to say.

35:24Oti: Was that the word?

35:26KT: I just want to make it clear, isolate the audio, I wasn't mouthing when you said it, but yes, that's what Vince Staples said, and also Rapman did respond to that, which was very funny. but this is the first time I clocked it, I think, when we were watching Supacell. Because he's like, Oh no, I can't, I can't rob these ATMs. You know, man, And then they go and like rob a trap house.

35:49Oti: If, if

35:50KT: the money is the money, fuck the corporations, fuck the banks, because all of that money that you're putting in the account at any given day, you can't withdraw it all at the same time. Cause fuck you guys take the money, right? The bank

36:05Oti: the money from the

36:06KT: Casa Del British Banco.

36:08Oti: from the systems that are keeping you down fam. You felt bad robbing a bank but you went to the trap house with people struggling, well not struggling but you know, where you want to layer the economic divide of that guy, of that, but robbing them instead. Yes. I'm like fam, we really hate each other out here.

36:28KT: like who are we directing it? You didn't even need the white mans. You were fighting yourself.

36:33Oti: in a fucking sci-fi man. It's

36:35KT: a long life battle with yourself. Uh, cause it was like, uh, That moment I was like Andre man Like you just came out of prison and really the only guy that was giving you a chance was that man in the was it a supermarket?

36:51KT: It's like no one was giving you a chance, bruv. And you're like, oh, I don't know man. I I don't know. But yeah, that was the moment where I was like, come on, man Be real. but I did enjoy his general sort of story of you know being incarcerated coming out and wanting to do it in a way that might not get him a lot of money that might not get him a lot of respect but he was trying you know yeah until until he he decided to rob the community and I'm like fuck you man yeah

37:27Oti: we did get to we did get to know a bit more about him I think A lot of the characters, even with Sabrina, we got to look behind the curtain a little bit. I think the only qualm when it comes to Sabrina that I had was sort of the tentativeness of being all in, or I couldn't. I just like, bruh. I don't know. You, you have these powers. You realize all these things you go try and turn yourself in. Know you're trying to fight for your sister, but I dunno, I guess, I guess maybe I was just, I dunno, I dunno.

38:21KT: She's, she's Busy fighting patients that use dementia as a racism. no, I get it. And you know, also talking about the sister, like that was such a sister. Like sibling moment where they're fighting and then Michael comes along and he touches friends and lovers don't fucking touch women Like don't touch anyone really. don't even touch me right now. But that was such a sibling moment like a sister moment where they're fighting they're mad at each other But the moment there's like danger She's like step off What are you doing to my sister?

38:51KT: Um Yeah, no, I feel like Sabrina was a solid character. I think it would have been nice to have A little bit more dimension, which I don't think is rare feedback because I did have a theme. I don't know if you want to talk about it, but I have a theme called the females. Shoutouts to Friday Night Dinner.

39:13KT: but yeah, like if we're talking about like the female characters, like the prominent ones like Sabrina and Dion, they weren't necessarily given a lot to do. and there were a lot of flailing damsel ness to Dion, I guess, in particular. Well,

39:33Oti: Dion, because she doesn't have superpowers, so

39:36KT: None of us Butch! Or should I say Mother's Milk?

39:42Oti: Oh yeah, there's definitely more we could have seen from Sabrina and, Dion. Maybe not so much Dion because she was the damsel in distress in this particular show.

39:52KT: in this particular situation.

39:54Oti: Yeah, Sabrina was holding her own to be honest, so it's more hard just trying to come to terms with everything. She kind

39:59KT: more I've had this quite a bunch of times with her. Hmm. like telekinesis, I feel like, you know, when you're growing up with your cousins and your siblings and stuff, and you first learn like superpowers, everyone wanted telekinesis. No one could spell it. No one could say it with the gap in their teeths, but everyone wanted telekinesis. You know what I mean? So, like this, there's definitely a lot, lot more. We could get out of Sabrina's character. We haven't said much about Rodney.

40:36Oti: No, we sort of did. I think when it comes to his powers, he was just fucking running. You know, even when he was meeting like the back guys, he is like, oh, I'll just run them. I dunno. He, he should have sat down and watched a bit more Flash to understand the limits.

40:50KT: But that's to say. And also Silver Surfer as well. like I feel like that's kind of the power, that's kind of like a default. isn't it?

41:03Oti: Yeah.

41:04KT: Like kind of when we did our Friends and Lovers, we've done a couple of episodes on The Boys now, like a lot of them by default had like skilled combatants. So when like Butch is, that's his like skill, it's like okay, okay, go off king. but yeah, I, I guess we'll see, you know, again, it is exciting that we've got a season two. I'm not really sure what we're going to explore. I guess we're going to zoom out, I guess. in regards to the organization. You know what really would have topped off, you know, the final level white devil boss in Supacell Having those Matrix white dreads.

41:48Oti: Well, there's still time.

41:50KT: Those are the real Those are the real Oracle. uh, unless you have anyone else, I just wanted to quickly talk about Krazy, because we get, because he's, he's the big bad for a long time, but now he's kind of shuffled into, would we say middle management? But now he's kind of like positioned in a broader sort of organization sort of sense. What do you think about that in regards to where we could go with his character? If that's where you want to go. my love.

42:22Oti: Yeah, I feel like where they'd go is. they'll all join together and go up against the corporation. It's just a matter of, I guess, Krazy just realizing that he's acting a fool. it's, it's like, he's too powerful for him to change sides immediately. But it's coming. I think the fact that he can copy anyone's power, they cannot make him join the team for now. Yeah. Otherwise the story is done. But yeah, formidable foe.

43:04KT: Kakashi

43:07Oti: And he's not ending up in hospital after every style or after every battle, so. Yeah, I'd say Krazy. And then I'd say Michael. And then the rest can fall in whichever order.

43:30KT: I think Tazer's, our wild card

43:34Oti: He just disappears at the moment. Doesn't he?

43:37KT: Yes. But he, for every disappear, there's a reappear. Surprise, motherfucker

43:43Oti: And the bodies were wearing goggles to see him anyway. So he can't move fast. He can't do anything other than be invisible and they can still see you. It feels at the moment.

44:03KT: Does this show, better when you, does this show work better when you zoom in and escape, or does it work better when you zoom out and escape?

44:32Oti: Zoom out and escape. I think zooming in, you're stuck in there if

44:36KT: Zooming in, you're robbing the trap

44:37Oti: Yes. I'm getting stabbed.

44:44KT: God damn it, Brett. Yeah, man.

44:47Oti: Fuck zooming in. Zoom out and escape.

44:50KT: of this game. Do you have any closing thoughts, my love? It's

45:01Oti: looking forward to season two. It's exciting seeing, you. What they can, where they can take the story from here.

45:09KT: All right. We're going to finish off in a segment we call, For Your Reference. Oti. trans. py. It's Matrix as well.

45:23Oti: All right, I'm gonna reference

45:26KT: a white

45:28Oti: of your white dready people.

45:30KT: Rapman, you do not need to send me a check, but I am looking forward to get surrounded by the white dreadies. If you would like to audition to be the white Matrix dreads on Twitter, Instagram, Spill, Bluesky, TikTok, when I'm not scared, we're @ForYourRefPod.

45:50Oti: Write us an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com

45:54KT: We're also on Kakashi crazy forever Podcast, if you'd like to leave a rating and review, Wow, it feels good to be back And I just say

46:04Oti: say oh it's a good exercise with the pen

46:09KT: you can drop a hundred more episodes I don't We love you as we splooshes and we'll see you on the next one.

46:18Oti: See ya