She’s the He, Flow, Renner & The Alto Knights

Full transcript of She’s the He, Flow, Renner & The Alto Knights.

0:00KT: It is another week in the For Your Reference household and happy International Transgender Day of Visibility, friends and lovers. Mm-hmm. Um, while we're here, please check out our podcast before things got way too busy. We would celebrate Pride Month wherever we could. Um, also in addition to checkout P-Valley. Uncle Cliff, we're waiting for P-Valley. Go and check out our review episodes. Always in

0:32Oti: production, man.

0:33KT: Always in production. You better hurry up Starz. What else have you got aside from House of Ashur? Um, we also covered Secret Society, um, as well as Umbrella Academy. And we're also going to cover another beautiful, delightful, um, trans film on the way. Let's get on with the show. Hey friends and delightful watching lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT and

1:05Oti: Oti.

1:07KT: We have a mostly indie lineup today, Oti.

1:11Oti: Mm-hmm.

1:14KT: Um, and an old man chicken wing. Robert De Niro film, and because you haven't watched it, and I'm the representative, am I the proverbial film borough, Oti?

1:27Oti: you are.

1:29KT: Yikes.

1:30Oti: Mm-hmm.

1:32KT: Um, let's start off with She's the He. Thank you so much to Rob and the team at Prody pr. This film just did its world premiere at South by Southwest. Oh, wasn't it? It's always, it's also going to continue to the festival circuit. Um, it has a cast and crew with a record number of trans talent in the film. Mm. And I'm very excited to talk about it. I just wanna say off top that I loved it. I may have shed a tiny tear here or there. Um, as you know, friends and lovers in our Ref Max format, we do not spoil anything. Um, so feel free to grab a snack and join us. Oti, give us a pull quote.

2:22Oti: She's the He blends teen comedy with heartfelt insight, offering a fresh, thoughtful take on identity, friendship, and the courage it takes to live your truth.

2:32KT: Wow. You are the He.

2:36Oti: I know.

2:38KT: That was really sweet. That was really sweet. Real progress is having Trans representation that is reflective but also playful. She's the He is gorgeously specific while also tapping into themes that are broadly relatable.

2:56Oti: Mm-hmm. A hundred percent.

2:59KT: What's not to love about this film? You know, I feel like we are in a. A new era of queer films. You know, there, um, I don't know why I just thought about Jared Leto, and the Dallas Buyers Club. I'm glad we've moved. I'm glad we have moved far, far away from that portrayal. Um, but, you know, we very quickly before getting into recording, um, Nico, uh, who plays Alex. Talked about how fun it was, because usually trans actors don't get an opportunity to play cis roles.

3:35Oti: Mm-hmm.

3:35KT: Right. Um, and it's nice to be able to get to that because as much as we love Colin Firth, you know, um, that probably could have gone to a gay actor.

3:46Oti: Mm-hmm.

3:46KT: Right? We, we did A Single Man, I think it was our first Pride Month sort of review that we did. So we had, um, with Nicholas Hoult as well. Um, so. It's nice to see, I guess I, if you want to call it progress, um, So it's nice to get to a point where, you know, we can have proper true storytelling. Because if it hits, it hits at the end of the day. And it's nice to know that, you know, there's a lot of love poured into the scene and also behind the scenes as well. And I love the fanfare. It wa there was a whole lot of nonsense.

4:27KT: Um, this has nothing to do with anything, but it, one of the very few sleepovers that I was allowed to go to, um, when I was in high school, uh, like. They put on Superbad and I was so Mormon at the time. I pretended to go to sleep because I didn't, I didn't wanna partake in the sinful activities of Superbad. Oh man. It didn't indulge me from the sinful activities or Mormonism, but that's a story for another day.

5:03Oti: You and your Mormon self dare

5:05KT: Yeah. You're going to see when we talk about Alto Kings, uh, Alto Knights, um, sorry, but going back to She's the He, I love how, you know, how we talk about black and brown film. How the lens is focused on black and brown people. So there's a lot of shorthand and you don't need to explain things. 'cause if you get it, you get it if you know, you know?

5:29Oti: Mm-hmm.

5:30KT: She's the He is like that for, I'm assuming there's a lot of references that I didn't understand that queer people would be able to get, but I appreciated that it didn't feel the need. To reshift its focus to bring in the audience. It's like we are doing our own thing over here. You can join us if you want, but we're going to have fun. Like even there were moments of dialogue. Like I, I don't wanna spoil the film too much, but there was a specific line talking about, you know, it's, it's like we're in the 2020s, you need to like upgrade your understanding of gender identity.

6:07KT: Mm-hmm. And there are lots of specific lines and I think even. I haven't done the research to know about, I guess, the naming of the film, but honestly, when I read it, I felt a bit funny about the title because I'm like, Ooh, like is this, is this an instance where, not necessarily poking fun, but you know, like She's the He is are, are we, are we moving back? In regards to storytelling, um, even the description doesn't give a lot of detail in regards to that, but the film is so much more than the premise. And once you get to the premise of the film, that's where you can have that rounding out of world building and character dynamics. And there's a lot of love in the film.

6:54KT: There are so many funny moments in the film. Um, I don't even know. Do you think She's the He is like a play on, um, Amanda Bynes', She's the Man

7:05Oti: probably,

7:07KT: right?

7:08Oti: Yeah.

7:09KT: Um, also, I don't wanna reveal the name unless it's in the trailer of a specific, um, motor vehicle. Um, but I feel like it was a play on the pussy wagon. Yeah, with the Beyoncé and Lady Gaga, uh, short film. Um, so I just, I just enjoyed it so much and you know, like I said in my pull quote, it's not, um, like we should still definitely have those experience. Oh, I just, I just remembered the Glee, Chris Colfer, I can't remember his character, but his character in Glee when he had his story with his dad. Sad, sad, sad

7:50KT: man. There's been some really traumatic portrayals of queer characters in media. My point is I'm glad that we can still have storytelling that has truth in it, but there's also a lot of fun as well, and there's a lot of playfulness as well.

8:10Oti: Oh yeah. I loved how they didn't take themselves too seriously and we got a bit of lighthearted moments while still being sort of juxtaposed in, uh, you know, like a serious moment. We had, you know, we had scenes where it get a recorder playing as a score and we like at it. It works. It just works. It's very comfy and it, it delivers the message home quite well.

8:38KT: Mm-hmm. Absolutely love it. Um, are you ready to move on to the next one, Oti?

8:43Oti: Sure am.

8:44KT: This is an open world cat stranding that I'll need to take alone, Oti.

8:49Oti: Mm,

8:49KT: this is Flow. A visual breath of fresh air and delightful respite from reality. Why are you laughing?

9:01Oti: Uh, usually, usually when. But

9:05KT: does that, does that not give you an idea of how I experienced the film?

9:09Oti: It does. It does. So how was the Oscar winning movie for you?

9:14KT: Oscar winning, award Winning?

9:17Oti: Mm,

9:17KT: yes. Um, made in a trailer as well.

9:21Oti: Made in a trailer

9:22KT: on Blender. Okay. Blender's open source, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, I thought it was great. It's a kids' film.

9:35Oti: Yeah.

9:36KT: Yeah. That's the caveat. That's the, that's a Jon Hamm semicolon. There

9:41Oti: a kids' movie where you feel like it's all sort of adult messaging in there, or just kids movie, kids movie.

9:49KT: No, because, no, because then you become the grown men going to the Inside Out screening, kicking out the kids and booking the best seats. No. Um, I, I think, okay, let, let's start. 'cause it's an animation. So let's start with the visual style of it. I thought it was really cute. I, I, I think in this world of, um, hyper-realistic animation. I don't think it was jarring that it didn't look like a hundred percent realistic cat. Like, I think it, it, it melded to the charm of the film. So I liked it. I liked the, um, I liked the way it looked visually. Um, the sound design was also really nice as well. Um, when, when I was going into the screening. I thought for a second that I went into the wrong theater because there were so many kids there.

10:51Oti: Did you not know it was a kids movie going in?

10:53KT: Well, I, yeah, but you know how it is, like you, you have a full work day and then you waddle over to the cinema, and I guess I just never expect to see children. Okay.

11:04Oti: Fair.

11:05KT: I'm just like, what's going on? Um, and then I, I was like, oh yeah, we are here to watch Flow. That makes sense. It's nice that, you know, they can bring their kids along so they can, um, enjoy it too. Actually, while we are here. Um, I don't know if you remember shout outs to our Film Busters boys. Uh, they asked us to recommend the film and I told them to watch Dragon Ball Evolution. Mm. Don't worry. This will be semi-related in a second.

11:32Oti: Let's see. Yeah.

11:34KT: Well, do you want do the film on Blender then, and then release it to the world? Um, but the reason why I'm mentioning that is first off, I didn't realize, I thought they were going to ask if I wanted to collab with them, because at least that would've been more of a fun experience of us shitting on the movie. But it was two of, if Ben didn't, Ben dodged it. And I don't think I got my Patreon money's worth because Ben didn't have to suffer it. Um, but it was just Paul and Adam saying, what the fuck is this movie for 40 minutes?

12:05KT: But the reason why I'm mentioning that friends and lovers go and check out Film Busters, we love them, love them, love them. But the reason why I'm mentioning that is Woody Paul's son. Watched it.

12:16Oti: I loved it.

12:17KT: He gave his review. He loved it. Paul and Adam did mention that this was made for four year olds. Like that movie.

12:23Oti: Yeah.

12:23KT: Um, and Woody gave it a 10. That was after Paul and, uh, Paul and Adam. I think they gave it like one or half star. So the average was very low. Around Jesus Rolls, friends and lovers. We've done Jesus Rolls. Go and check out their podcasts. So I think it was like competing for the bottom three movies. That they've watched and then Woody came along and he raised the average of it. Anyway. May we all never lose our child like wonder love, because Woody's not wondering why Goku's a white, a white boy in America and not an alien, except in Japan. Anyway, um, going back to Flow. It was too long. Like the film was too long.

13:11KT: The runtime won't tell you that, but for the story

13:16Oti: it didn't have too much in it.

13:18KT: Yeah, like I, I think it didn't have dialogue per se. And, you know, shout outs to Robot Dreams. Check out Robot Dreams. We also did a review, friends and Lovers, um, so that that was a film that didn't have dialogue. It was, it made sense because there was a lot that was offered visually and storytelling wise. Um, this film was kind of like. Death Stranding and Life of Pi, but they're all friends at the end,

13:50Oti: so not like Stray. Um, the PS5 game where you get to like play as a cat,

13:56KT: bro, that must be a Stone Cold Steve Austin cat, 'cause that cat's been through it as a solid cat right there. Um, like there were trinkets of moments that were enjoyable.

14:15Oti: Mm.

14:16KT: Um, but yeah, in, in, in way of story, we didn't necessarily get there. Obviously, we didn't really know where we were going. We were just following what was happening in the film. But even that wasn't really enough to sustain it. But at the end of the day, it's the kids film.

14:34Oti: Did the kids seem to enjoy it? Were they laughing? Ling

14:39KT: I don't be paying attention to the kids. So, sorry. The only time I was aware of children, uh, in screenings was in the Little Mermaid where we were there with our wanky popcorn and our ice creams and stuff, and there were kids running up and down 'cause they were bored. Mm. Right. Yeah. Um, we love you Halle. That has nothing to do. It is just, you know, 2D animation is a lost art, friends and lovers. But, um, let's move into our next film. I'm gonna tag you in, brother. Ooh, what is it? Um, this is Renner. Thank you so much to Mitch and the team at Millennial pr. Um, give us your pull quote, Oti.

15:22Oti: Built on an intriguing premise and supported by solid performances, Renner starts strong and stays engaging, even if it loses a bit of momentum before a well-earned final act.

15:34KT: Mm. That's where they'll get you. Mm. A timely reflection on the reliance on technology and the insidious harm in replacing human relationships. Mm. Clock it. Friends and lovers. A little egregious at times, but an overall enjoyable watch.

15:56Oti: Nice. I, first of all, it's it. It's good seeing Frankie Muniz again.

16:04KT: Oh yes, absolutely. I think the last time I remember seeing Frankie Muniz is when he played a comic book Serial Killer in Criminal Minds.

16:15Oti: Oh, I think I missed that episode. It was very good. So, so my head, my mind was like, I'm in this, of course, it's there. I'm, I'm loving it, I'm enjoying it. The premise itself felt really. Uh, not, not original, but they were doing it in a sort of fresh sort of way. Mm-hmm. Um, we, we just watched, uh, Adolescence in, um, on Netflix. Yep. Where we are getting this incel sort of vibe there. I thought, you know, leaving insulated, let's see how it goes. Mm-hmm. Uh. Overall, I really did enjoy this movie. It, it goes bananas towards the end and, and I did not expect it from it

17:03KT: Uhhuh

17:03Oti: because they didn't give us any indication of that happening. And I guess that's where the lingering feelings of being always the down trotted sort of, you know, energy comes through

17:16KT: entitlement, is what I would call it.

17:19Oti: Yeah. I was just trying to be kind.

17:27KT: Um, yeah, I, I, you know what, I will always appreciate films that do something a little different, right? And I think at this day and age, if you're talking about like sci-fi concepts or technology or Black Mirror sort of commentary. You're not necessarily like, you don't, it doesn't need to be something you've never seen before for it to be interesting.

17:54Oti: Mm-hmm.

17:54KT: Right. But I just mean in this, um, major IP double digit franchise world, it's nice to be able to enjoy a film that has a story like this. Yeah. Right. Um, Renner. You know what, and it, it's interesting because, and this is where, you know, we give credit to our Frankie Muniz because in other hands this could have been very one dimensional.

18:23Oti: Yep.

18:24KT: This could have been, I guess, very easy to hate.

18:29Oti: Mm-hmm.

18:30KT: I didn't necessarily love Renner's character, but he felt believable to me. He

18:35Oti: did.

18:36KT: Um,

18:37Oti: he has that energy down pat.

18:41KT: He had that energy. I, I feel like there was a very, um, effective use of repetition in this film. Um, which I guess helps to go to your bananas, like third act that we get to in this film. And, you know, I just really liked it. I, I thought it was interesting. Um, it reminded me of the Miley Cyrus episode. A Black Mirror.

19:04Oti: Right. I was thinking, Montana, what's going on here?

19:10KT: Cool. Tell us you had Disney Channel money, Oti, um, and also Joaquin Phoenix is Her as well. Um, you can also put Ex Machina in that film. Um, but I think the most interesting part of this film for me was that push and pull. Of, I guess, what it means to be a man in this world, and sometimes you're just being a fucking dick. Like sometimes the world isn't doing you wrong and you just need to pull your finger outta your ass and just engage with a real woman.

19:48Oti: Mm-hmm. I hear you. Why do

19:52KT: you feel like you took that personally? Hey. Hey friends and lovers, there are lessons to learn. You're welcome to take them.

20:01Oti: No, I agree with you. I think Uh, watching Jamie and Renner together was quite interesting. I think seeing, 'cause it, at least to me, was quite obvious there was something at play. Mm-hmm. And watching it unfold or feeling as if, okay, is it, am I seeing this wrongly? Is something happening that I can't understand Uhhuh until the rug is pulled under us? And I'm like, okay. We weren't daydreaming, we weren't seeing our own things.

20:33KT: Yeah,

20:34Oti: just, I loved it

20:37KT: when it came to Jamie. I say Play on player. Play on player. Like, mm, again, do you want to be sympathetic to that particular type of man, the particular type of subreddit?

20:56Oti: But he, if, if we were to argue, it would be like. He was just trying to live his life whilst, yes, he's sort of interested in Jamie. No, he was never going to do anything per se. But that was never the plan. It was ot. Ot.

21:16KT: Mm. You're starting to sound like those video gamers that are saying she is not sexy enough. I can't render my joystick to her pixels. She is a pretty gal, so what he knew, come on. He did. I'm not saying he didn't know. And also I said this about the, I, I'll, I'll, I'll stay off your forums for a second, Oti. Um, but I said this about The Last Showgirl. But I don't, I don't feel angry in this instance. In The Last Showgirl, I said, I always get frustrated when I sympathize or I agree with what the white man is saying.

22:04KT: But Chad is a literal Chad, and Renner also said that in the film I agreed with everything Chad was saying. He was kind of like the audience, right? Like anything that we might be thinking he was saying. And I was like, yes, my friend. I am the Chad, unfortunately.

22:24Oti: Yeah. Yeah. It's too, I was gonna say something, but I'll spoil it, but it's definitely something you need to watch out for. I think it's gotta be on streaming soon.

22:38KT: Come on, plug. Mm. Uh, it's available on VOD.

22:42Oti: Yeah.

22:42KT: Friends and lovers. So, um, VOD it up so we can chop it up.

22:48Oti: Oh, a hundred percent.

22:48KT: And meet us in the DMs. Hoo. Do you wanna meet me in Alia, Americana.

22:58Oti: Oh, you know, I'm already there.

23:00KT: Okay. Gian Otto, we are going to finish off with The Alto Knights. Thank you so much. The team at Warner Brothers. Um, I attended a, I don't even know what you call it, 'cause there's the media screenings and then there's the smaller screenings.

23:22Oti: Mm. Media screen. Let.

23:26KT: Oh, oh my. Hey pr if you're listening. Um, okay. Um, Oti hasn't had a chance. Yeah. You, you still have regret. Feel regret for what you said. Um, I'm sure you'll watch it eventually and then we can combine your thoughts in our Christmas episode.

23:47Oti: Yeah.

23:49KT: De Niro leads another enjoyable Italian American gangster story with all the cloak and dagger intrigue we've come to anticipate. Don't make that. No, I'm I'm with you. 'cause you know me when I write it like that. What I mean, I'm

24:05Oti: with you.

24:07KT: The Alto Knights had dialogue that felt like foreshadowing but mostly didn't materialise so resulted in old man talking.

24:23KT: Do you wanna start there or do you wanna hear my broad thoughts?

24:27Oti: Was the dialogue as good as a Sorkin dialogue though?

24:31KT: No.

24:32Oti: Oh dear.

24:33KT: No, I have a very complicated. I don't even think it's a hate. I just have a very complicated love relationship with Aaron Sorkin. Friends and lovers. Go and check out A Few Good Men. We did a review on A Few Good Men. Um, for those that are playing at home that, um, aren't familiar with what I'm talking about. Um, I actually enjoy, 'cause I'm, I'm a dialogue gal, so I enjoy Aaron Sorkin and the way he writes, he just doesn't write like how people talk. That's all.

25:05Oti: It makes engaging though.

25:07KT: Yeah. Like Jesse Armstrong, he writes the way I think rich people talk.

25:13Oti: Mm.

25:13KT: Like I, I mean actual rich, like rich people that would never see you walking on the same street because they're like red zoned all the way on the other side. Um, but yes. To come back to this No, no. It was, it was, it was pretty dry. Um, it was one of them days tumbleweed of dialogue. Um, and there were also, you know, I'm not gonna spoil anything, but I'm just going to illustrate my point. Um, so we have Robert De Niro who's playing two characters. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, but just for the sake of answering your question about dialogue, um, there's a moment where he talks about having a full clip of money.

26:02KT: But because it's too thick in his pant pocket, he splits it and puts half, half a clip in each of his pant pockets. Mm-hmm. Right? And you are like, okay, we've been primed by Scorsese, by Spike Lee, by Quentin Jerome Tarantino. Usually dialogue like that, that sticks out. You think it's going to eventuate into some like foreshadowing sort of moment? I thought it was going to be like half the clip is gonna save his hip. Tales from the KT Hood, friends and lovers.

26:39Oti: Yep.

26:40KT: Please fund my screenplay. I'm bugging out. Um, like, you know, there were moments like that where there's a lot of, um, I, I guess you can take this however you want. There's a lot of inane talking that doesn't resonate into meaningful dialogue. And then there's stuff that stands out, like the clip, right? Half a clip to save your hip, and nothing came out of that. So there were like 10, 15 things that he said that had nothing to, and never came. It never eventuated into anything. so from a dialogue point of view. Um, at some point I just, I just stopped paying attention to The specificity of the words enunciate. Mm, check out borders, friends and lovers. We'll be covering it, uh, eventually, very soon. Thank you very much. Um, in regards to the overarching store story. I will say as much because it is based on a true story. I won't go super into detail, but I am going to say something because it is part of my foundational qualm, um, with this film.

28:01KT: But it's essentially like a takedown of the organized mobsters across America and. If we think back to friends and lovers, check out our Judas and the Black Messiah episode. Why you gotta tear down everyone else? Go down on your own, bro. Right?

28:28Oti: Yeah. Let people be.

28:31KT: Let people be. Absolutely. Debra Messing was in this, oh yeah, they had some, so there was some dialogue about. You are Italian, you are Jewish. And they're like, no, I'm not. I've got clips in my pocket, clips in my hips. And it's like, we're so different. And I am like, okay, is that the whole meat on the bones that we have here? And unfortunately it kind of was, you know, even when I came out of it, I told you like. If this is the only Italian American mobster movie you can watch, then you're going to, you are gonna die a sad life.

29:17KT: But, but, but it isn't bad. Like

29:27Oti: I'm, I'm busy. All right. So, um, so nothing stood out that outside of the. Dialogue, heavy aspect of the movie.

29:38KT: The costuming was nice. Yeah. I like the costuming. because essentially we're just focusing on the two kingpins. Yeah. Frank. Yeah. Vito, there's, you know, there's a lot of time where power was taken. I'm thinking of, what was the Tommy show that we just called Tommy Force? Mm-hmm. Um, with ARD and Diamond.

30:04Oti: Yeah.

30:05KT: Um, and it's like enough time has passed, your legacy is gone, or the Stringer Bells and the Avon Barksdales, like it's a transfer of power, right?

30:15Oti: Mm-hmm.

30:16KT: So that dynamic can be quite interesting, but again, like I said, it turned into old man talking.

30:24Oti: Did

30:24KT: little bit of squawking. Um, but again, it wasn't bad. It's okay. Just, you know, like if you have snacks that are almost expiring, eat those with this film.

30:41Oti: Don't,

30:41KT: don't, don't have your top shelf snacks.

30:50Oti: Oh, best believe you are. Top shelf snacks.

30:52KT: Top shelf snacks. And yeah, it was just interesting 'cause they were setting a scene for what was going on politically, racially at the time. And it's like, okay, well you guys are doing pretty all right from what I can see. Aside from your squabbling,

31:09Oti: how's the pacing?

31:13KT: Long fan, long steel fan. Um, I wanna end with, it's not a spoiler, um, and I hope you still enjoy it when you watch the film. But I don't know what it is from Heretic to now The Alto Knights, I need to start a little box list where I talk about very specific references that my Mormon upbringing lends to. Mm. So there's a moment where I don't wanna spoil this particular moment, but it is a pivotal part in the plot. Um, but there is a moment where there's a discussion about Mormonism and there's a particular town And they're driving past Palmyra. And this is Oti, I know. Um. Unfortunately, you know, in the next life and in my next planet, we won't be able to be united 'cause you didn't fulfill your Mormon classes. Um, and for those that haven't fulfilled their Mormon classes, and you can wave to me while I ascend to Mormon Heaven.

32:24KT: Um, this is where Joseph Smith got his first vision. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb in his hat, right? That's where he had it. And then there was a whole dialogue. There was a whole scene, which was my favorite part of the movie, but there was a whole scene being like, that's where he found the golden Bible. Mm-hmm. Right. Um, the plates and then you, anyway, we're, we're not gonna get too far into Mormon lore, but that's where you find, in quotes, the Golden Bible and the dialogue was surrounded by why would he leave there? If you find the Golden Bible, you can find a hundred more golden Bibles. Why did you leave the Promised Land and your vision if that's where it was?

33:12KT: Right shout outs to Tim and Lee from the Popcorn podcast. And I'm sure you want me shouting you out in this specific moment. We came outta that media screening. Lee was just asking, um, and I don't think at the time that she knew I was raised Mormon. Tim did, but very, um, innocuously Lee was like, oh, I wonder what that Mormon scene was about and without missing a beat, dead tone, I said they had to keep moving around America 'cause they wanted to marry little girls. Mm. And it wasn't allowed. So they just kept moving wherever they would let them. Utah baby.

33:51Oti: That's something you say after that

33:53KT: Salt Lake. What's good say Salt Lake.

33:59Oti: Uh, weird religion, man. But there you hope.

34:04KT: Well, I think it goes without saying all religions are a bit

34:10Oti: kooky.

34:10KT: Yeah.

34:11Oti: Yeah.

34:13KT: So based on my layed review, would you be interested in watching the Alto?

34:25Oti: Yeah.

34:26KT: Yeah.

34:26Oti: Yeah.

34:27KT: Grab your almost expiring snacks and your second favorite friend. Don't you say that That's me. Ah, we don't usually do this, but I will say of the selection today, She's the He's my absolute favorite.

34:55Oti: Oh yeah, a hundred percent.

35:06KT: We need to do Spotlight 'cause we need to put the spotlight back on your Catholicism.

35:17Oti: Ah.

35:21KT: Thank you friends and lovers for joining us another week in the For Your Reference household. Do you still think about, um, what's your Mel real racist ass Mel Gibby movie again? Passion of the Christ? Do you still think of that?

35:35Oti: Yeah, I'm waiting for the sequel. Is it a sequel or prequel? I'm waiting for it.

35:40KT: You really are on those subreddits, aren't you? 18. We're like,

35:43Oti: Jesus in Heaven or before he was born. I don't know. Oh

35:47KT: God, it's. Well, if you're ready for the second coming or vote, team, friends and lovers on Twitter, Instagram, Bluesky, uh, Threads, we're @fyrpod,

36:00Oti: write us an email. Uh, hello, hello@fyrpodcast.com.

36:03KT: We're also on support indie storytelling and film making and maybe podcast friends and lovers. Um, if you'd like to leave a rating and review and we'll see you guys next week.

36:14Oti: See you.

36:15KT: Wow.