Pet Sematary – For All the Dogs (with Dregeaux)

Full transcript of Pet Sematary – For All the Dogs (with Dregeaux).

0:04KT: Welcome friends and lovers to KT and Friends again. This is the B side. We're popping out with Andre to review the 1989 film Pet Sematary. Live in peace and let the dead rest in peace beyond the barrier that must not be crossed. Corral the baby!

0:28KT: With the 1989 film, Pet Sematary, all these years of Kendrick and I still can't do the voices without laughing, but they, um, I, we don't have a lot of time, so I won't get into a lot of the stats, but I do want to give a shout out. Mary Lambert got you wiped out. Stephen King got you wiped out. Baby Gage got you wiped out.

0:56KT: Um, 1980s, obviously we can, you can go and Google, like Andre was saying, go and Google everything else. Um, we don't really have a lot of time because I want to talk about a lot. Um, this was a whole film. Um, before we get into like, I guess, sort of first impressions, this is the specific line reference. And I would say it would be the first film reference that was made in this juncture of the rap beef. And it's Kendrick Lamar in "Like That". It's a K with all these nines. He gone see Pet Sematary.

1:29Andre: Yep.

1:31Andre: Oh, boy. I love that line. It's so it's, it's just so heavy. Or it's like we're not playing around today.

1:42KT: Yeah.

1:42Andre: This is, this is what we're doing. This is the game plan and we're gonna, we're gonna execute. That, that was such a, I think I, especially as a movie fan, I'm like, yeah,

1:51KT: Pet Sematary, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when I started making notes. If I'm being perfectly honest, I was like, I feel like this is going to be a thing. Let me start making some notes for this.

2:02Andre: I was like, Oh, wow. Yeah. I'm like doing like the whole YouTube thing. Like K to the nines, K-9 as in dog, Pet Sematary, animals get buried there, but they don't always come back the way you remember them. That's

2:16KT: And that's, that's actually what I want to, and I also want to shout you out because I do create these spreadsheets just to like have ourselves prepared. Also, um, I watched this right before we recorded, so that was a lot of fun, but Andre was already prepared. He already put notes in the spreadsheet as well.

2:34KT: So, um, I want to tap into. Exactly what you said, but also the note that you have here, because even though we're done with the A side, this is bridging the gap and the parallels that we have in the beef and the Pet Sematary, because I had a different. Uh, I guess a different take on it as well. I think they both apply, but I want to kind of venture down what you were saying of them not really coming back the same spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler alert for this movie, everybody.

3:04Andre: And also

3:04KT: I got too excited. Is there any sort of like general thoughts you want to give on the film before you get it? Um,

3:09Andre: I feel like Pet Sematary gets all the praise it deserves. It's a very good movie. I'm still afraid to read the book. I'm afraid to read a majority of Stephen King's books, but. I feel like it will be better than the film or it won't be as good as the film.

3:25Andre: I've done my homework on the, on the books and like what was left out. Of the movie, and there's a creature called the Wendigo, that's like a Native American. Oh, Wendigo!

3:37KT: That's also in, um, is it After Dawn? Like there's a Wendigo. Yeah, Until Dawn, yes,

3:41Andre: yes.

3:42KT: Can I just have a very short story about that?

3:45Andre: Yes, please, yes, I love that game.

3:46KT: It's a bit of an ooky spooky game as well. Like, I can't remember the name of the other one. That's very scary. Um, the one where they like jump at your face and there's a VR for it on PlayStation. I forgot what it's called. Anyway, but like this game, so like Oti and I will play games, but it's just like us passing the controller to each other.

4:03KT: Yeah. Um, and we were playing this and I was like, Ooh, this is spooky. And they're like, hold still. And in my brain I was like, Oh, I need it to be still. Let me put it down. And I've never known peace from Oti since, like, it just gives me shit about the Wendigo. But yes, continue please. There was about the stuff about Native Americans in this film, but yes.

4:25Andre: Yeah. It's like, it's, it's. Once I gain the courage to read the book, I'll know all the information, but the, the Wendigo is like a, I don't want to give like a history on the Wendigo, but it's like that air, that land, he, he's watches over the land and he, that's why that, the guy who got in an accident, like he was like the, the guy who's kind of guiding them.

4:50Andre: Like, come back, maybe you don't want to do that. Yeah, Pascow. Yeah. So it's like Pascow. Pascow. It's, I, I really liked the movie. I feel like, especially since the remake has come out, I, it just made me love the original so much more and shout out to Mary Lambert, because I forgot to put it in the trivia, but she's directed. A lot of music videos of the eighties, a lot of classic music videos from Madonna,

5:18KT: William's if you will. Yes.

5:21Andre: Yes. Um, shout outs to her. And this movie is just, it's one of those rare things where Stephen King's work doesn't, isn't always that good when it, when it turns into a movie, like shout out to, or not really shout out, but boo to the Black Tower, The Dark Tower. I don't, I know they had interest in it, but it That's those are the only Stephen King books that I've read and it's Pet Sematary has earned the right to be considered one of Stephen King's best adapted works in my opinion.

5:57KT: Oh, it's great. It's absolutely great. I, um, I think the, the greatest hits notes, like cliff notes that I have about Stephen King and shout outs to, I will, I will credit you on the socials when I remember, but someone was telling me that like his wife actually helped him flesh out, uh, flesh out, um, female characters.

6:15KT: And I was like, this must have been before because the women in this. Um, I, I've got stomach problems and I'm not married, bro, but yeah, like, and then also like his endings sometimes aren't the greatest, um, that I've heard, but this is perfect. Like this is a whole, um, encompassing film, um, in regards to Pet Sematary, you did have a limitation about Drake's career potentially. I would love to hear. Yeah.

6:47Andre: I like, um, I'm trying to read off of it real quick. It's like a, uh, where did I put it? It's like bringing something back from the pet cemetery. We know is risky. And if Drake is to put his career into the pet cemetery, how's it going to be? Like, he has to bounce back in some way. You just can't like stop making music

7:10Andre: just because of this beef. So it's like, what sacrifices are you willing to make? in order to continue like either a it was nothing or never happened or it's like we saw in the movie like when Gage came back he wasn't the same

7:26KT: he wasn't

7:26Andre: the same like little Gage was was a he was he he was the little rascal he was ready for everything and he was evil like is Drake gonna be like evil Drake or is he just gonna be like uh oh well like but they also told you in the movie like there's a you they they don't live long When they come back and as much evil as they do, it's like they're different and they don't last long.

7:52Andre: So it's like if he, if he does come back and bounce back, how long does his music career have to where some, you know,

8:01KT: And this is so interesting because I guess it would depend on where you would put, where you would place Drake's character, but if I were to view Drake's character as the father, that becomes a compelling comparison because it's him holding on to the vestiges of his, the success of his career and he keeps trying to revive it because there was even the moment where he was doing that to the wife and I was like, Haven't you learned, like, have you not learned that this is not, and he's like, no, no, because she wasn't dead as long.

8:30KT: It was

8:30Andre: only like 20 minutes. Yeah. Let's hurry up and put her in there.

8:34KT: Let's pick back up this beat that everyone hated and let's, let's try and revive this track, you know? Um, and it's so, I guess it's so interesting to view it that way. I also, This was also before watching it. I was like, maybe the pet cemetery is where all of his secrets and all of his skeletons and all of his demons and everything that he's essentially kind of stripped away.

8:55KT: Like if he, if you talk about like a deal with the devil and where he is with his sort of contract that makes him release like two albums a year.

9:02Andre: Yeah. Always on tour and stuff. He should be a top earning artists like Taylor Swift at this stage.

9:08KT: Exactly. So that's kind of how I saw Pet Sematary as well, especially because you have the, you know, the dog with all his nine is going to see the Pet Sematary and was the "First Person Shooter" of all the dogs in the elevator as well.

9:22KT: You know what I mean? And if, if you were to denote that to potentially the way he's mistreated women, that might be another case of like women coming forward. If that were to be the speculation that you wanted to speculate. So there's so many, it's so interesting how applicable this could be in many different ways.

9:40Andre: Yes, I agree. That's that's definitely a level. I didn't think of it on. I was just like on a like, how is he? How can you come back from something like this? Like? Is he just gonna be strictly a singer were another thing that really stood out in the beef was Nobody came to Drake's defense, right? All the people that he made music with it was just like, I know he had a song saying no friends in the industry, but I thought that he was being a, just being a goofball because it's like,

10:15KT: yeah,

10:16Andre: like your whole album is loaded with features. What you mean you don't have friends, but I guess he really doesn't have friends in the industry, or at least somebody to tell them, like, maybe you should sit this out. Maybe you should just take the L, move on and try to try to make music, but yeah, if it's, if it's back to the pet cemetery, sometimes dead is better.

10:41KT: Um, just like, I feel like this could be a whole conversation in and of itself, but I just want to quickly ask you, where does this cause I think I already have an inkling, but where does this stack up for horror classics?

10:53Andre: Oh, for me, it's, I don't want to say like it's a, as a lot of ranking, but it's definitely a top horror movie for me. I grew up watching it and I kind of grew up watching it on TV with the commercials. So a lot of the violent stuff was cut out. So that once I was actually able to see it fully, I'm like, Oh, he bit that man in his toe. He cut through his ankle. I'm like, this is gross.

11:14KT: One of the best scenes in cinematic history. Can we talk, like people need to talk about that more.

11:20Andre: Yes, like he, he was playing with that old man.

11:24KT: Yeah.

11:24Andre: He was, it was very sinister. Yeah, it was. I think I'm trying to remember certain things from the remake because they switch spoiler alert for the 2019 remake. The girl is the one that ends up getting, the daughter is the one that ends up getting hit.

11:41KT: I don't know how that makes it, how it changes it in any way, but okay. We are keen to watch, uh, the new one, but I just have a feeling it, even the commentary is gonna be watered down or just be ignored, because that kind of happens with modern remakes.

11:54Andre: Yeah, it's like they tried to do something Different. I, I respect that. It's like he brings her back, but she's really gross. He tries to like treat it like normal, like brush her hair, but her hair is like falling out. And it's, it's one of the, once you get further in the movie, like it never needed to be remade, especially if it wasn't going to stick to the book and have the Wendigo more or,

12:17KT: yeah. I just feel like we had an opportunity because if we can have, and I know people like, well, actually that was just the first Halloween, but you have silent-ass Michael Myers, we've got like tiny steps. Wait. What? Wait. Um, So She's a tramp. I am a tramp. I I am a tramp. I am a tramp. I am

12:46Andre: a tramp. I am Thanks, Sam. Wow. But then it's like, if we were to do that, how would he convince somebody to, to like rebury him? Because it's like, if it's like every 10 years, you know,

13:00KT: you know what? I just, I don't know when this release schedule's gonna happen, but I just watched The Boogeyman and literally nothing mattered in that, like in regards to the law, it didn't follow its own rules. Oh, okay. So. I would like Gage with a scalpel. Um, I just want it to happen.

13:16Andre: The taunting when he was on the phone, he's like, I want to play with you. That's something my wife and I, my wife loves the movie as well. We'll always, we'll quote that one. Like, I want to play with you.

13:28KT: That's more scarier than, um, The foul man in Black Christmas, you know, when he was like on the phone, that kid saying, I want to play a game. I was like, no,

13:37Andre: he's like, I've already played with mommy. It's like, what you mean by that?

13:41KT: Where's mommy? Where's

13:42Andre: mommy? Just hanging out in the attic. That I, that last few minutes with Gage, it's like, it's so good. And I think they

13:54KT: played it straight. It wasn't a campy thing. And I was like, even though Child's Play. Child's Play was played very straight, and then it got campier, and I do, I do kind of, um, Gravitate towards campy horror. Yes, but I feel like this could work. This is Chucky meets Misery. Especially with, like, the poor, um, with his poor ankles, but yes.

14:14Andre: Oh goodness. I, oh, you got to check under the bed. I'm glad like I don't have that anymore. Like there's nothing that can hide under my bed So I don't have to worry for little baby hands and scalpels.

14:25KT: But at least, at least you have a kid. Because if I start hearing a kid in this house that has no children, I'm like, Oh man,

14:35Andre: like, um, with. With Pet Sematary and that ending, it's just, I think another part that I shouldn't laugh at, but it's, it's funny, like, after he gets the, the injection, he's like, no fair, no fair.

14:48KT: Okay, wait, hang on. I would love to hear, like, cause you're saying it's funny, but it might also be because you watched it, like, when you were younger.

14:55Andre: Yeah.

14:56KT: Me watching that? And like, cause I want to get to superstitions as well. Um, because it would be great to hear, like, even from a Filipino. Cause can I just say. Filo films and like even just hearing horror stories from like, um, in school when like the Filo kids will like tell us about like faceless brides and shit. Oh, yes. I

15:15Andre: swung and I was like, you don't

15:17KT: play with that shit. So I would love to hear about that. But before we get there, so this, so this man. He, and also I, cause I was even saying to Oti, I was like, Stephen King definitely had like their kid must've had a cat that died or something because it just felt so, you know, you can feel like that live sort of experience.

15:35KT: Right. Anyway, but so he did this all to himself. As far as I'm concerned, he should have left Winston Churchill alone. Winston Churchill historically should have left a lot of people alone, but that's a story for another day, but he should have left Churchill alone. He should have left Gage alone. He shouldn't have even tried to reanimate the wife.

15:56KT: But anyway, so at this point it's all on you, bro, or the wife didn't happen at that point, but it's all on you. Something didn't sit right in my soul when he made a decision to like go for his own son. Cause I was like, even if you want to argue mentally in your head that that's not your son anymore.

16:13KT: First off, you did this. Second off, it's your little baby. Like, it's your little baby here. And I was like, I was yelling. I was like, how did they film this? It looks like they're needling a proper baby. And Oti's like, no, it's one of those retractable things. And I'm like, still, I hope all ancestors haunt this man. Because this is a baby.

16:33Andre: Yeah. It's like, he was doing like a real cry. That feeling. felt legit. That sounded real. Like he even had like the little tears in his eyes. No fair. And then he even, he fell in the hallway and hit his head. I'm like, Oh wow, this, this kid, give this kid an Oscar. This is some great child acting.

16:53Andre: It was, it was as scary as it was. It's like the, in the movie sense, it's like he was so possessed to, to It's like, I know I messed up. I should have been faster. It's like, who was faster, Ricky or the dad? I feel like if they switched places, Ricky would have got that kid before the truck, it was even there. But that's another, that's another goofy discussion. But

17:19KT: you try, you should try and somersault onto the road. Why do you just trip over and be like, okay, I'm done.

17:24Andre: Yeah. He's like, he didn't try crawling. He was just like, ah, my kneecap. Or he was just like, ah, nah, Gage. First off, speaking from experience, my little girl is two. She don't listen.

17:36KT: Yes.

17:37Andre: The kids just don't listen at that age. So it's like, you have to take charge and make sure they, they stay safe. Cause she's at this age now where she wants to do jumps. She wants to do cartwheels or, or do things. I'm like, not on the floor, maybe over here where it's soft. Like they don't know their own, they're good. But, uh, I'm thinking too deep about it right now.

18:00KT: But that's also what I was feeling. Cause I was like, it's a windy day. My little baby has a kite. And how do you have three adults and none of them are looking at him and he's right next to the road and it's a windy day and he's got a kite. I was not that, cause I'm not a parent, but I was like, Oh,

18:15Andre: I, I try to make sure I keep. My eyes on my little one at all times, even if I have my back turned to her, I'm like, okay, take a, take a second to look, make sure she's on her little tower eating or whatnot. I don't know. I guess it's. I don't want to sit here and make excuses for a fictional character, but I understand that things can happen.

18:37Andre: But dude, like you kind of want to make sure your kid is all, is close by at all times, whether, even if they're napping, just have the baby monitor right there so you can see them. But, um, I think, I think I read something in online about the book and they said the scene where he has to basically dig up his grave to get them is much grosser.

19:02Andre: Like, it's not, it's like that kid was disintegrated by a freaking truck. There's not, there shouldn't be much left of him, but for the story's sake, there is. But I read a little excerpt from the book and it's like, it's not pretty, like eyeballs missing and stuff. It's like, he should have came back grosser looking like he shouldn't, he should have been like a zombie.

19:24KT: Yeah, absolutely.

19:26Andre: But I think it hits harder when it's a little cute kid coming back with the scalpel. First off, where did he get that top hat? Yeah.

19:34KT: Do you, do you really question that shit? Because again, like when I was talking about Boogeyman with Brent at some, like, if I am enjoying shit, Ludacris and Tyrese go to space.

19:46KT: Who cares? Like, I don't care about dumb, like even Jason X, I, I hate how much I love that film and I'm calling it a film. You want to do strip, like, unless it's like boring or dull, that's when I question, but it's interesting because you're questioning the logic a lot, but I was having so much fun with this film in particular where I'm like, top hat, go on my baby.

20:12Andre: Make sure you've got it.

20:13KT: Like we don't need a rusty scalpel in this household.

20:16Andre: No, no. Another creepy thing about that movie is Zelda. That was very creepy.

20:25KT: Okay, okay, because I was like, what the fuck is going on? You know what was so interesting, and I want to have like an actual conversation about death and dealing with death, but specifically in regard to this plotline, the wife was always very cagey about death.

20:39KT: Yeah. And this is, it's not the longest film, but it's not like it's still quite a nice sort of runtime. I don't think we needed a subplot. Actually. I think she could have just said, I'm uncomfortable with the dead. Why did you leave? And the father was interesting because he said, you're a killer of children. It's not even your kid killer. It's like, yeah.

21:06Andre: I think I wrote in my goofy Letterboxd review that if that was me, I would have picked that old man up and Batista bombed them onto every pew at the church. Cause he, that was uncalled for. As soon as like the casket moved and you could see like little Gage in there. I was like, Oh, it's on now. This is the arena where we got to go.

21:27KT: And it's like, you know, I can physically take you on bro. Like, I'm going to fight you. And I think at that point Oti was like, yeah, I can see why he didn't want to go around on Christmas. Yeah. And it's also you killed your own kid. Like whether you want to blame it on like an eight year old kid, um, being the carer at that particular time, like dirty little secret, but also like that Commentary was weird of like, it wasn't, so she wasn't in pain and so we didn't feel the pain. I hated her and it's like, we don't have time for this.

21:59Andre: That, to me, that was scarier than like, um, like how they dealt with Gage and it's like the, they did this weird point of view where it's like you're her in the door and you're, the bed is the focus. But if you, if you're not paying attention, Zelda's right there in the corner.

22:21Andre: So when she pops into the frame, you're like, wait a minute. I had to sit here and watch it on my computer. And even though it's a film I've seen many times, it still startles me because I, for some reason, I just forget that she's not in the center. And when she pops up and she's in your face, I was like, I have to turn this down. This is unsettling. I don't like this.

22:41KT: Gage and I will get you for letting us die. Was one of the lines that she said, and I'm like, good, I'm rooting for all of the, for all of this revenge and that sort of thing. But, um, I do, I know you're saying like not to talk too deeply, but I do want to say that, um, like culturally, like being Tongan, being Brown, being Pacific Islander, um, there is an acceptance and there's also a celebration of the life.

23:09KT: Like. And it's okay for people to die. And it's, it's part of life. It's sad, but I think that, you know, and I wouldn't say that Vision is Tongan, but he also said, "What is grief, if not love persevering?" Yeah. Um, my, my Tongan brother Vision,

23:30KT: I actually really appreciated this film because. I was like, they should show this to kids so they accept what grief is when their pet dies. And Oti is like, why are you trying to traumatize children? And I'm like, okay, maybe not. But, um, no, but there are some real lessons in there. And even before we had known about the wife and her sinister sort of backstory that we didn't have time for, like her reluctance to like, talk about it.

23:56KT: It was getting in the way of the kid understanding and being able to accept, you know, cause I was that kid, like I was that kid that would always be around pets. And if it wasn't for like culturally being around funerals and understanding that I probably would have, wouldn't have understood that pets go away sometimes.

24:16KT: And you'll never, we also had a dog called Lomu after Jonah Lomu, the rugby player. Um, So I really appreciated the acceptance, uh, eventual non acceptance that we get at the end of the film, or you're just like, it ain't going to be that deep, I guess. Where are you in regards to like dealing with death and like grief in this film?

24:40Andre: Um, I feel like it, it really, it really connected. In a level where we had a, uh, a dog that passed away, like literally two weeks after my daughter was born

24:52KT: and she would,

24:53Andre: yeah, it's like you don't get over it. And we have like little pictures of her and it's like you when you're fine that she's gone It's like we didn't want her to suffer. That was the main thing. We didn't want

25:08KT: yeah

25:08Andre: anything to suffer So it's like she's not suffering We're happy that she's not suffering, but it's like you still miss them and I feel like that's just a part of the grief and it's like I I feel like as life goes on you you lose people you lose pets and You know I feel like gaining the acceptance that they're just not going to be there, it's, it's never going to be easy.

25:36Andre: But I feel like with this movie, it's like that guy, he couldn't accept it. Like he knew he was at fault and he wished he could do better. But if he had accepted that, oh, the cat's dead, I have to figure out a way to tell my kid. Yes. I have to figure out a way to tell my kid. And I don't think we would have, I'm not saying that Gage wouldn't have got hit by the truck, but at least he wouldn't have been tempted by the pet cemetery.

26:07Andre: And I feel like that temptation was there from the start where it's like, not from the start, but like once he, it started to be explained to him, like, uh, you know, about this pet cemetery, we could bring that cat back. And I don't know, man, that's like, especially when you get older, you lose people. You, you don't wanna constantly live in sadness, but you also want to make sure that you, you remember them in some way.

26:40Andre: And, I feel, I haven't read the book, and I feel like Stephen King was really trying to tell something through the Pet Sematary. It's okay to accept, but don't forget. And I don't think, like, the people that we love want to be forgotten.

26:58KT: It's a place of rest and speaking is what Creed said. But I think that's also like, um, I don't know how it works for you culturally, but for me, it's like, there is laughter.

27:10KT: There is, there is joy, even in the wake, even at the funerals, like there there's also family members. You only see at funerals, but there can be joy there. And I think that's the way to get through life. Like I think by avoiding. Those sort of lessons. And it was funny when he, cause he, even he was able to articulate it to the kid.

27:33KT: Right. About like, this is what will happen one day to Church. But I think facing the reality is a lot different, but even when he was articulating that and the wife was like, she was like leaning against the fridge, having your own little moment. I think I think someone should tell her this.

27:50Andre: Oh my God,

27:52KT: because it's inevitable, right? Like you, you need to grieve through it. You can't grieve around it or like completely avoid it. And I think that's the power and that's the strength of it. So yes, I would encourage children and people that haven't dealt with it. This is your Mr. Morale.

28:08Andre: Pet Sematary right now. I want a full report immediately. There will be a test.

28:15KT: I just want to quickly talk on superstitions before we wrap up with film recommendations. Um, like I've, I've also mentioned that with Brent as well, but it's like, we're very superstitious people. So like even the owls. I don't know if you've seen Reservation Dogs, but even like Native Americans, indigenous cultures, like we just don't fuck with owls essentially.

28:36KT: Fuck you OVHoes. Cause usually they're like a messenger for like death, like someone has passed away. So it's like, especially I remember there was one time I looked out of the bathroom window at nighttime and I saw what, I didn't even, I didn't even look close enough to see if it was an owl out the window. And I was like, I closed that shit. I'm not playing around tonight.

28:56Andre: No.

28:57KT: Yeah. And it was like, you close all the doors, you just make sure that no one's there. And, you know, there's so many like auspicious things that like, you know, that I grew up with and even having moments of like going to the cemetery for like my grandma, for example, and making sure that we leave gracefully.

29:16KT: Like even when we like walk towards the grave, cause obviously there are other graves as well. You say tulou like as a, as a respect, like Cause you're essentially, you wouldn't walk over where the bodies are in front of the placard. But in between, you're still like respectfully saying like, excuse me, like, please let me go and don't haunt me.

29:32KT: Essentially. But even like there was a moment where my auntie felt like there was a spirit that followed us in the van. So we needed to like have a whole moment before we went into the house. Like it's. It's those sort of things that, while watching films like this, you could say white people shit, or you could just say, because I'm telling you, I don't know if there was a moment where you were like, and I wouldn't say it's unbelievable, but it would definitely be, cause you could say it was with the whole Pascow thing, but the moment that, uh, that Creed was like, I corralled the baby!

30:09KT: Who is this man? Let go of my child. I would have moved out. Like I would have moved out right then and there. And even talking about going down the path of the pet cemetery, um, even the burial ground. I was like, why would you, I was like, the ground is sour. Cause you people are using it in ways you're not supposed to be using that. Um, were there any moments of like superstition or like, where you're like, come on, man, I'm out.

30:34Andre: Yeah. Like. I feel like growing up, my mom's Filipino. She would say, don't whistle in the house or don't whistle at night. I'm like, why? It's like the snakes come. I'm like, okay. So I've kind of been like programmed to not like whistle that much anyway.

30:48Andre: But I feel, I feel like a lot of cultures had that thing where it's like, we're just very cautious and connected to things we cannot see, but we can see like signs or something weird. Like I was in the. I don't know how culturally or thing that's like when I was in the army, we're gonna get ready to go to our, I think, someplace in Iraq, and I remember the chaplain who's like the, like the captain who does like this church stuff.

31:23Andre: I'm sorry for the army people who are listening. I forgot a lot of that stuff once I got out, but He had he said like a like a verse from one of Proverbs and I don't know it off the top of my head But I remember that it was a part of My grandmother's obituary and I'm like, why is he saying that and so I'm just like, okay, I'm being watched. I'm good I don't need to worry about anything anymore. So it's like I don't know if that's like supernatural or I don't know what it is. I can't explain it, but that really stuck with me because I was just like, Hmm, I don't need to worry anymore. Just concentrate and have, have, not have fun, but just be cautious. But I don't, I'm not that really connected spiritually. I'm not very religious, but I do pay attention to things. And when they stand out, I will remember it. And it's, I feel like Filipino, my Filipino side, and of course my black side coming by and I'm like super, super duper cautious of everything. It's like

32:30KT: No cracks for your mother's back? Like none of that?

32:31Andre: No, no, no. It's like, sometimes when I'm walking with my wife and we've got our daughter in between they, I'm like heading towards a pole. I'm like, I'm either scooting it or like push them over so I don't split the pole or anything. But it's, it's kind of funny how You come from, we come from these backgrounds of people being in tuned with something they cannot see, but yet they trust it.

32:56Andre: And then when you see them, when you see them kind of like not bugging out or anything, you're just like, Oh, this is, There's ain't nothing to play around with because I feel like my sister is my sister and I are both close to our mom. But my mom tells my sister a lot about how life growing up in the Philippines was and how,

33:14KT: you know why Andre? Cause she's,

33:17Andre: she's a girl. Cause she's a woman.

33:18KT: Yeah. Same thing for me.

33:21Andre: Yes. It's, she tells me certain, she tells her certain things that I'm like, Oh wow. Like they're really, they're either really religious or very supernatural. And then they, they blend it into. Their own belief and I'm like, wow, this is I'm never whistling in the house. All right. I'm not I'm just not gonna I don't want to test it. I don't want to test it. It's like you don't have to tell me twice. I flipped out one time

33:49KT: We're rooted. That's why yeah,

33:51Andre: it's like I flipped out one time We there's a restaurant around here in our area and I went to the bathroom And they're like, yeah, the bathroom is haunted.

33:59Andre: After I came back, I'm like, how come nobody told me that? I don't know why that really upset me. Like, I have no explanation to, to be like, why wasn't I told that the bathroom was haunted type thing. And it's like, I've never considered myself like crazy superstitious, but at that moment, I was just like, maybe there is something ingrained in me that I haven't tapped into to fully focus, like. Why I'm like that,

34:26KT: you know, this is so interesting because I think we've formed our own support group. Um, I'm, I'm also not religious either. I was raised Mormon. I feel like people love hearing that and I never get time to explain, but like I was raised Mormon. I'm, I'm not religious at all. Um, also I would say the same thing as you in regards to superstitions and that sort of thing, but also whether it's true or not, I'm not playing with it.

34:52KT: You don't have to tell me. That's none of my business. Uh, we have the whistling thing too. And like, if your hair's wet or like, don't cut your hair at night, like all of those sorts of things. And, you know, for as much as people want to woo, woo, woo, I call it supernatural. Like that shit makes more sense than the sort of like. Religious things that people talk about. It's like

35:13Andre: there's a reason why it's been passed down generation after generation. Like this isn't, we may not know the root as to why it's like, you're given the reason. I was like, Hey, don't do this because this will happen. We don't know why it started out like that.

35:27KT: But to be fair, it does become a thing of like you're a young Tongan girl. I'm just telling you not to do something like sometimes it does. It was like, Why? Um, but yeah, I absolutely. Absolutely. Cause there's, there's something ingrained, we're rooted, it's ancestral, it's, it's indigenous to who we are as people.

35:44KT: And I think it's important to respect those things. And, you know, even like going to a graveyard in Tonga, oh man, every, every ritual, tell me everything, I'll, I'll respect all of it. Um, but I think that's, that's one of those things that really helped to like tap into you. Like having a base and you know, and I think that comes back around unsurprisingly to Drake as well. Like who are you? Yeah. Like, like take off, like take, take it all off. Like who are you?

36:15Andre: Take out the braids. All of that stuff. It's, that's the conversation he has to have with himself at the end of the day. Like, are you proud of the man that you are now? Like, why is Kendrick calling you the P word? Why, like, how did you let it get this far?

36:33Andre: And at what point could you have stopped it? Like it throughout your career, like the way you carry yourself around. other people. Like you don't, we've seen the interviews where it's like, he talks this way, but then he talks that way when he's on late night show. And it's like, I know a lot of people who are, who do like the, like the code switching, but that's, that's something you do for work or you have a professional way that you carry yourself.

37:00Andre: But it's like, you're, you're, you're a rapper, man. Like we, we're aware of your background. We're aware of the things you rap about. You don't have, it's the Kendrick song where it's like, you don't have to lie to kick it. We're going to accept you for who you are if you are true to yourself. And if you're not true to yourself, the people will see through it.

37:21Andre: They'll see and how you, how you talk, how you, when somebody else comes into the room and you, you say certain things to them that you didn't say to us, it's like, Hmm, we're taking notes and you, you can't hide forever because the longer you hide, the more time you spend from discovering who you really are.

37:40Andre: And at one point Drake really could have been. The artist that he wants to be, have the respect that he feels he deserves, but he's done so much that I don't think he could come back from it in a way where it won't constantly be brought up. So it's like, you know how people change and it's like, why are you doing it like this now?

38:03Andre: Huh? But you lied. Why? Yeah, you lied. It's like, you didn't have to lie because we really could have accepted you as a Canadian rapper with a Jewish background. We wouldn't have batted an eye at it. If you're good at your craft, you'll be fine. Like, I love MF Doom, but he don't rap about, like, guns and stuff.

38:27Andre: Like, he raps about goofy comic books and rhyming macaroni and cheese or whatever. But, it's, that's why I like Doom, because he's different. Like, Drake is It's just not, it's just not the artist that I respect, even ghostwriting, whatever nonsense. Like you're a pop star now. I don't want you in this, in this hip hop world anymore. This is me speaking

38:54KT: like, yeah, no, like, like legitimately to be a criteria. He would have me. Yeah.

38:59Andre: Yeah, it's like, I don't, as a, as, as mean as it might sound right now, it's like, I don't want him in this circle anymore. You have been exiled. Yeah. You've lost, like you lost in a way that you, in my opinion, you can't come back from this because there's no integrity to it.

39:18Andre: There's nothing. It's like you, you tried to run with these lies. You have these people on other platforms, backing those lies and treating them as truth. And you're not man enough to come out and say, I lost. This is it. Don't, don't, don't promote that, that stuff anymore. Like J. Cole came out early and it's like, it didn't sit right with me. Cause he, even though he don't read books, he's in tune with himself and he knew like something doesn't fit right within my soul. But

39:49KT: also J. Cole wouldn't whistle at night. You know what I mean?

39:53Andre: Yeah, with them dreadlocks, he'd probably listen.

39:54KT: Okay. I feel like that's the barometer like if I feel like you would tempt fate and whistle at night Yeah, yeah

40:06Andre: crudy you look like the whistling night type that's the new thing now for now whistling night type

40:14KT: The whistle at night time, but you know, to quote himself, you're dead, stay in, stay in the cemetery. So, um, but yeah, you know what, I don't know if you knew we were going to get to the levels we did today. No, I did not. You didn't?

40:31Andre: I did not. I did not. I did. I was just like, Oh, we go again, get to the rap battle. We're going to laugh it up. Ha ha. And a Pet Sematary Gage and a scalpel, but I, this is, this was a very good chat.

40:44KT: Yeah. I really appreciated it. And friends and lovers, you're most welcome of this round the world exchange of superstitions like, um, like very quickly, like at some point I started like talking about my dreams. To my mom and my auntie. And I became like that soothsayer. Like they would ask me, um, cause when you dream of particular things and I know in Filipino, um, it's similar as well.

41:09KT: When you dream of like particular things, it means death, or it means like a baby on the way and that sort of thing. And then I just stopped talking about my dreams. I was like, this is not, this is too much for me.

41:20Andre: This is, this is heavy.

41:22KT: Like why you got me in all this? I'm trying to play the kite next to it. Yeah.

41:29Andre: No parental supervision whatsoever.

41:31KT: Exactly. But, uh, thank you so much friends and lovers for joining us, but most especially thank you to Andre for joining us this week. Um, on the A and the B side, go and check out the A side. If you haven't already friends and lovers.

41:50Andre: I appreciated the chat. It was very fun. Very, very fun.

41:54KT: And I think that's exactly what it is. It's like, and that's also when people are like, this can't be funny if it's talking about racial culture. And it's like, yes, it can. You just don't know how to laugh about it. Like you just don't know. It's like, it's

42:06Andre: just listen, let's just listen. That's all you gotta do. We're not asking for participation at this time. It's just, you know, Everybody just needs to be heard.

42:16KT: Absolutely. Um, we're going to finish off in a segment we call For Your Reference where we, uh, pair either a TV show or a film, but we pair Pet Sematary, this 1989 version, as a double feature. How are you, have you, did you have a thought of what it would be? Did you change your mind throughout? Like, where are you in regards to recommending so?

42:38Andre: I feel like we gotta, Pet Sematary was gross, but we gotta make it nasty. And you gotta get the Re-Animator as the double feature. I feel like people who know the Re-Animator know what I'm talking about when I say it gets nasty.

42:51Andre: And it's, it could be uncomfortable for some, but it really fits that, um, that theme of resurrection and trying to play God and bring, bringing things back from the dead. And I haven't watched Re-Animator in a while. It's very gross. It's, I, I do feel like it's very, it's held in a higher regard than Pet Sematary in some horror circles.

43:18Andre: It's got good gore, if you like that kind of stuff. It's, it's a Lovecraft story. That's another, that's another subject for another day. But um, it's a very well adapted Lovecraft story and I believe that, I know I'm repeating myself again, it deserves all the praise that it gets in the genre.

43:39KT: Okay. I love that. It's a gross, nasty double feature special.

43:43Andre: Yes. Yes.

43:46KT: Um, I, I like, I like the idea of Misery, but that's also Stephen King, isn't it?

43:53Andre: Yeah, that's, that's a great double feature for King.

43:55KT: But I think I would say Bride of Chucky. Uh, because I just, again, like, can someone, can someone cajole, uh, Stephen King, corral him to get the IP. I need Gage with the scalpel. Like I just, I didn't know I needed this in my life. Um, but yes, I'm going to bring

44:16Andre: the top hat to, I want him to have like different weapons in the top hat.

44:19KT: I don't see what the point is without the top hat. It starts with top hat and then we move.

44:26Andre: It's like the teaser trailer is just like a top hat in the spotlight. And then you just see a little baby hand, touch it. And it says Gage.

44:37KT: Investors. We have, see, and you like, you guys like IP, you don't like original films. So here you go.

44:43Andre: Property. The audience is already there. I mean, come on.

44:47KT: Here is an existing IP. Um, but yes, Bride of Chucky, just because of the same sort of elements, um, that we have, but also the, I guess the sort of parallels that I saw with a baby Gage, um, and a little Chucky hand.

45:01KT: Uh, and it's, it's more into the camp. You can also do Child's Play as well. Um, But yes, so great. Uh, Andre, I know you're busy. You have a fountain of knowledge, but I know you're very busy and you might want to be left alone, but is there anything like if you like people or if the people like you, is there anywhere you want people to find you?

45:22Andre: Uh, sure. Um, I feel like you could probably tag me in like the Instagram stuff, but I have uh, I have Instagram. It's Dregeaux, D R E G E A U X. On and I'm also on Twitter as well. Um, I don't really chat that much on Twitter these days I just like stuff retweet stuff, but i'm i'm always down to chat about movies games music Whether you agree with me or not Um, sometimes I'll just say things as a statement and I don't want to discuss it.

45:51Andre: I just want to say goofy things like Pee-wee Herman's Big Adventure is Tim Burton's best movie and he hasn't topped it. I don't care. Like that's, that's the statement and I'll leave it at that. I know it's ignorant and difficult, but I just like funny stuff like that. But yeah, it's like, I don't, I don't mind if you, if people want to follow me or have a chat. Um, I appreciate you for reaching out and wanting to speak about this because I don't have a podcast. I'm just, I'm just a fan. Not that kind of fan.

46:25KT: Yeah. We can't even say fan anymore.

46:26Andre: I am a fanatic of the For Your Reference podcast, but yes, um, I, I appreciate it. And thank, thanks again for having me on the show and Your audience is just very cool. I'm, I'm just very appreciative. Thank you so much.

46:46KT: Thank you. They're, they're very cool and they read books, hopefully.

46:50Andre: Yes. Get that, get that Book It, get that free pizza at Pizza Hut, read the books.

46:55KT: Get that good exercise. Yes. Um, yes, friends and lovers, you know, it feels wanky to plug ours. You're already on the podcast feed, um, find us socials, if you're not scared. Um, but thank you so much and we'll see you on the next one. Bye. See ya.