P-Valley – The Pynker the berry

Full transcript of P-Valley – The Pynker the berry.

0:00KT: Welcome to another week in the For Your Reference household and we are starting off with unguess me. Oti, take it away.

0:08Oti: So who did you find to be the most irritating character? In three, two, one?

0:15KT: Autumn Night. Patrice. What? Oh, act I I did. I wasted my go. I am so sorry. You you did. Pass go do not collect 200. Damn, dog. But you know who can deliver these stacks? P-Valley. Let's get on to the show. Hey, friends and lovers. Welcome back to the For Your Reference podcast. You got your host, KT

0:15Oti: And Oti.

0:15KT: And sanitize your poles and prepare your holes because we are fighting to save the Pynk with P-Valley this motherfucking week. Woo hoo. Or as they say in the South, Pussy Valley, babe. Let's

1:17KT: start off with the stats, which is what we do around here. We have the creator, Olivier, award winning Katori Hall. In her own words, P-Valley is described as a delta noir, which is she cutely described as a twerk on traditional noir. I feel like Black Noir from The Boys would very much appreciate I guess spoiler spoiler spoiler as as is the format with a lot of our episodes, we are going to get as deep as we can in this show, and it is going to be delicious.

1:52KT: It is going to be juicy, and there's gonna be a lot of fluids. Oh. And I can't even guarantee what you're going to have on your end, but we hope it is just as splooshy. I definitely wanna give some super, super massive credit to all of the directors for this season. Mhmm. It wasn't a purposeful thing that Katori Hall had female directors for every episode. Essentially, she was saying that she wanted to focus on a female gaze, not like the black gaze in Black AF with Kenya Barris. And,

2:27KT: you know, whenever she would meet with directors, she never really got a satisfying sort of answer from male directors. Oh. And I guess that also speaks to the disparity in entertainment, which Katori talks about a lot as well. But I just wanna quickly give a shout out to all of the directors for the season. Karena Evans, Kimberly Peirce, Millicent Shelton, Tamra Davis, Geeta V. Patel, Tasha Smith, Sydney Freeland, Barbara Brown, and also main choreographer for the show, Jamaica Craft. Nice. Speaking

3:00KT: of the dancing in this series, cute little tidbit, each dancer had two body doubles.

3:06Oti: Okay. Makes sense. Those moves, mate. Those moves indeed.

3:12KT: But, oh, this show is fucking ace, man. Wait until the Christmas episode where we start ranking everything we've covered

3:20KT: in this year because it is fucking juicy. I'm very, very excited, Oti. Mhmm. I cannot be quenched with any fluid. This was released in July 2020. Network Starz. I guess if you've been in the For Your Reference household, we take Carly or Khan around here. If this is the first time and if you've come here because of Pussy Valley, we most welcome you in all of our holes. Thank you very much. We'll take another sploosh. Thank you. But we've also covered Spartacus and Power Mhmm. Which is in the Starz catalog.

3:52KT: Funnily enough, if we're talking about Starz, Katori Hall in one of her interviews was talking about how well, essentially, she is a playwright, and the show is based on the play called Pussy Valley. And, apparently, this was the only thing that she fought Starz on. Oh, and what's that? So I guess that's also to say that Starz are very amicable, and they gave her a lot of space, a lot of creative space to do whatever she wanted to do with the show. But the one thing that they pushed back on was the title.

4:23KT: Oh. Yeah. So Starz have reached out to their carriers, whether it's Comcast or what have you, and they asked, would you be okay with pussy in the title on your platform? And surprise to no one, it was a big, big no. But not a big girl. Not a big girl. So I I guess for for the sake of being able to have the show reach more people,

4:47KT: that's why it's called P-Valley. Okay. I'm still a good P-Valley around here. And I think that's a that's a funny thing as well and free feel free to bring it up in the first impressions. But let me just quickly name the cast that we have and what an exemplary cast we have. I'm going to read them really fast. Usually, I only do three, but I fucking love this show. So let's see how much I can get through in one breath. We have Brandee Evans, Nicco Annan, Shannon Thornton, Elarica Johnson,

5:17KT: Skyler Joy, J. Alphonse Nicholson, Parker Sawyers, Harriet D. Foy, Dan J. Johnson, Tyler Lepley, Morocco Omari, and Isaiah motherfucking Washington. Think when he popped up on the screen, you're like, you can see that face from anywhere. Yep. So let's get into first impressions Oti because you actually introduced this into the For Your Reference household. I did. As much as a female as I am, I don't think this show came across my radar.

5:50Oti: Yeah. Your radar is quite limited in its range. If it's not Tina Fey or Issa Rae, I'm not sure of anything, to be honest. Yeah. So I came across this and I thought, okay. I really didn't read the descriptions. What I tried to do for us is when I come across a new show, I would add it to a watch list, and it's one of the things that be it Friday late evenings, we'll just go through pilots and see what's there

6:18Oti: and what sticks. And then we came across P- P-Valley, I was like, do you wanna try this? I added this to a watch list, but I really don't know what it's about. Yeah. So shock to me when it starts off and the best intro music, the best the best sort of music to start off with the show, I was like, okay. I didn't know what this was, but clearly, it says it right there on the paper. On the paper. It's Pussy Valley, babe.

6:51KT: Yeah. Because it it literally just came out, and we've been following it week to week. It is nice to follow a show week to week and have that week to week sort of excitement, and you can digest on the episodes. Starz, feel free to reach out to us if you would like us to do an episode by episode of season two, you know, whenever we can get back to safely filming and producing season two.

6:51Oti: Stop staring at Brandee Evans long enough.

6:51KT: Oh, I am fucking obsessed. Can I just say?

7:20KT: I use our For Your Reference Instagram account just to watch. And we recently well, everyone recently wrapped up P-Valley, the finale Just ad. And I saw an Instagram live from P-Valley, and I was actually watching it, not watching it in my office. If somehow my boss is listening to this, I was not watching the Instagram live of Nicco interviewing everyone. But the the funny thing is you're like, yeah, let's just watch it. And

7:53KT: the opening scene doesn't really denote to the fact that it's a strip club. But then you have the intro music where it's in the valley where the girls get naked. But it sounded like a kid and we're like, what the fuck is going on? And then the the lyrics kept continuing. We're like, oh my god. This this is going to be the splooshiest of sploosh. So I have this thing where I usually try and fast for the intro for any sort of show. I usually like your thing, but not that time. And this one just got me stuck because it blew my mind.

8:23Oti: Yeah. Absolutely.

8:28KT: Absolutely indeed. But I guess just generally, impressions for the show, I fucking love I fucking love P-Valley. Pussy Valley is testament to the fact that you can have sexiness without perversion. Mhmm. That you can have embracing and loving the female form without doing a close-up shot of your asshole. Fair enough. Or your Basic Instinct, if you'll pardon the pun. It is possible to have an embracement of the female form and femininity in every sense of the word without it feeling like a seedy side of the internet or some sort of webcam situation

9:17KT: but then again everyone's on a zoom call so we're kind of all webcam girls aren't we? Yep but I fucking love this show this show is ace and you know as much as we love the gratuitous sex that goes around, like in Spartacus, for example, there needs to be a reason that drives it. And I love that this show goes beyond the fact that it is a strip club, and there is empowerment to that. Obviously, there are aspects of exploitation in strip clubs,

9:48KT: but there is a lot of standing in your own strength and embracing yourself. And, you know, even just for the sense of financial independence as well. It's a beautiful thing. And, you know, talking about the female gaze, it is something that is so important. And I'm so glad that, yeah, you can get appreciating a beautiful body and a lovely pair of Tiggo bitties. But at the same time, there is anchorage there. There is story there. There is gassiness after too many wings. Like, there is seeing beyond,

10:23KT: you know, seeing beyond the theatrics of the performance and actually seeing these characters through their day to day lives. Oh, yeah. And a lot of the time I talk about on the podcast, I need that emotional connection to the characters to even care about it. And this is by far one of the best pilots I've seen on any TV show. Mhmm. Because there was so many points of resonance and there were so many tasty sort of avenues that I was excited to go down and to follow this show along in these eight episodes.

10:54Oti: Yeah. I think really just clung on to the show after the pilot. I wasn't sure about certain characters or whether or not I would stick through the show entirely. As you know, I had issues with Autumn. I didn't think she was strong enough as a lead in her performances or at least in her story as a character. I felt it was a bit not forthcoming

11:20Oti: as to what we they wanted us to know or to feel about her. But that quickly changed. And I think once that happened and we get sort of at least they also sort of balanced how much they focused on Autumn Uh-huh. And they juggled around with the different sort of characters. We either had Mercedes' story with the mom or Uncle Clifford with the relationships. Mhmm. So it was all encompassing that by the time it came back to Autumn, we had already built some momentum. We already built some story and some goodwill and some patience

11:55Oti: that we'd start to see Autumn fully develop and exactly what we wanted to know in episode one where she was the protagonist at least from our point of view. Mhmm. We slowly came to see that slowly peel off. And once we got through layer by layer, then Uh-huh. It's just became really solid.

12:14KT: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think we both had qualms with Autumn Night. And I guess there's absolutely nothing wrong with slowly revealing, you know, certain parts or certain motivations for characters, specifically in regards to Autumn Night. But it did become a clash because she got a lot of the screen time, but we weren't getting a lot of reveal, if you'll pardon the pun. Uh-huh. I don't even mean to. That's what happens, friends and lovers. But let's dive into the show. Specifically, if you're here for the fanfare, welcome.

12:48KT: If you are still listening and you haven't watched the show, it definitely tackles on a lot of touch points that are relevant to today and to many people's lives. So feel free to join, but you need to promise us that you're going to watch the show anyway. And if you've watched the show, feel free to watch it again, and we can have a giggle gaggle

13:07KT: on Twitter and Instagram because I have tried to mention many, many times that we've been watching P-Valley. So you've all been forewarned that we were going to cover this today. But strap in, strap on if you're feeling nasty, and let's get in to the show. If you've listened to our Perry Mason episode, it's going to go very similarly to that. Clusters, given given the circumstances and the terms for the pandemic, maybe I need to rename Clusters. But we're going to talk about a main sort of character and the proximity characters around that character.

13:43KT: Before we do that, there are some themes that I wanna tackle on, and I feel like we're gonna do that anyway, but we'll come back to it if we don't address it enough at the end of the episode. So the so the themes that I wanna tackle in this episode is strip club culture slash religion. Mhmm. I also wanna talk about small town industry and the casino. Mhmm. I wanna talk about domestic violence. And I also wanna talk about family, whether it's biological or whether it's your own formed family. Mhmm. Alright.

14:14KT: Let's start off with our first character, Uncle Clifford. In interviews with Katori Hall, she mentions that Uncle Clifford is non binary and uses the pronouns she and her. There are so many arguable sort of main characters to Pussy Valley. You could even say that there is a holy trinity of Pussy Valley, of Uncle Clifford, Mercedes, and also Autumn Night. But Uncle Clifford completely takes my heart away. And in every single episode,

14:47KT: it is peeling peeling away all of the emotion and all of the love that we have in the show. There aren't many moments of resonance without Uncle Clifford in the proximity of that. Yeah.

15:00Oti: There really isn't. And I think once you get to see how she just carries herself Mhmm. She carries herself very strongly. She tries to protect herself against intimacy and feeling vulnerable where we see this sort of dynamic where Lil Murda comes in and tries to hook up with Uncle Clifford, but he's hesitant because you could tell there's a lot of backstory there. You could tell there's a lot of heart he she's experienced. Yeah. When Lil Murda starts sort of chasing after her, and you could see her slowly trying to break down the walls

15:38Oti: Yeah. To at least let him in. And it's such a process where you're fully on board. You can feel every sort of hesitation that that Uncle Clifford tries to put herself in. And I just I really loved it, or at least I've not seen a couple, at least this year, that have gone through such a tumultuous journey

16:02Oti: in such a short amount of time and in a way that came together and then it quickly so it crumbled so quickly as well. It was such so it was so painful. Yeah. It not only sets you up to really want to see what season two would be about, but rooting for Uncle Clifford the whole way through, be it in her relationships, her ability to keep the Pynk afloat, every single aspect. Abs absolutely.

16:30KT: Nicco is every embodiment of joy. Following along with, like, the Instagram lives and trying to get every tasty sort of morsel of P-Valley outside of P-Valley. Nicco mentions quite a lot in interviews and also in the Instagram lives that they have is, you know, this show is make believe. Right? As much as there are real sort of aspects, we are playing make believe. But in real life, there are Uncle Cliffords Mhmm. Or there are Keyshawns or there are Mercedes. And, you know, Nicco was just mentioning that

17:07KT: or at least, you know, imploring to treat them with the same compassion. You know, as much as we love Uncle Clifford, do we do that same thing in real life? Do we support the Uncle Cliffords in our life, or is it just because it's a show and it's fun and it's fanfare? And I really love that a lot of the people that are associated with this show really take every opportunity to ground it into real life and really question the personal decisions or, you know, the personal shunments,

17:39KT: if that's a word added to the KT dictionary, that we might have. And Uncle Clifford really stands in a league of her own because not only does she balance masculinity and femininity, but she really brings so much, I think, even, like, accidental humor to the show as well. Later on in the series when she's trying to bail out Mercedes and she's talking to the sheriff with her nails

18:07KT: Yeah. And she's she's going to cash the check and she's standing in the line and she's making jokes. Like, there is so much about Uncle Clifford that is real and that is true. But I think on, you know, even a human level, you can see that there's there's a there's a sense of vulnerability with Uncle Clifford that I think a lot of us can identify with as well. You know, that sense of

18:32KT: you know, even early on, I think it was even in the pilot, you know, Uncle Clifford was talking about getting hurt by a man that wasn't even sure of his own sexuality or he was hateful of his own sexuality. And, unfortunately, Uncle Clifford had to bear the brunt of that. And, you know, all of these walls that you were talking about that Lil Murda was trying to break through were there for a reason. And it it it's sad to see Uncle Clifford recoil

18:58KT: from that, you know, unashamed but, you know, behind closed doors sort of love because of that circumstance. And like you're mentioning, with season two, I feel like we know what's going to happen, but we don't like where it's going. But during the series, as we were following episode to episode, Uncle Clifford has been the beacon for every emotional resonance that I've had with this show. Mhmm. Even when we see Earnestine, the immaculate Loretta Devine, there is so much love that is being outpoured into Uncle Clifford's world, but also being received

19:36KT: in that same very world. But you can see that it was something that was fought for and, you know, that is really nurtured to a sense. And as as much as there there are sad moments, you know, in the relationship with Uncle Clifford and Lil Murda, hands down my favorite couple of twenty twenty.

19:55Oti: Mhmm.

19:56KT: I will have to think maybe Batiatus and Lucretia from Spartacus, but those are my own selfish desires for this podcast maybe. But Uncle Cliff and Lil Murda hands down my favorite couple of this year oh for sure also they have the best sex scene that I've seen in a long time

20:17Oti: yeah

20:18KT: And they also advocated for safe sex, which is very, very important.

20:22Oti: Yeah. Rarely do you see someone, you know, gotta put that condom on fast. Safe can be sexy friends and lovers.

20:31KT: Keep it keep it tight. Keep it nice. Keep it juicy. I I guess while we're talking about it, let's let's focus on that scene for a little bit. I love how they they cut between Uncle Clifford, Lil Murda and Keyshawn because there's a lot, and I definitely wanna talk about Keyshawn. I'm going to call her by her stage name when I'm ready to bring her out in Clifford style. But I love the way they cut that because Nicco also said in an interview, Uncle Clifford was doing the dance

21:05KT: at the same time. So they were choreographing the moves as well, but it was very it was very sensual and it was very erotic, I would say. And I really I really loved it and I really appreciated it. I do worry for them, though. I definitely worry for them. You know, there was the moment where we have the new executive Mhmm. Coming in for a potential sort of record deal of Lil Murda. Uncle Clifford is, you know, riding high on the lights in the car scene that they just had.

21:41KT: So Uncle Clifford comes over and puts her hand, you know, on Lil Murda, and you just knew the way the scene was going to go. Yeah. Right? And as frustrated as I was with Lil Murda, I understood why he did it, but I was still fucking hurt. And even the way Lil Murda tried to come back to the office and try to explain it,

22:04KT: it it's just too fucking hard. It is way too fucking hard to like and I that's what I love. That that is that's essentially what I love about cinema and what I love about TV. It's because sometimes the real world, it's hard to be able to articulate what's real, what's right, and what's wrong. But sometimes through the lens of media, if you'll pardon the pun, you're able to dig a lot deeper in emotional connection and, you know, key messages that you wanna convey. Katori Hall also mentioned that she sees TV as a visual novel.

22:40Oti: Okay. So I guess there are just some more accolades there. This the writing is fucking solid on this. The writing is solid. And I just I think we we, like, sort of papered through the sort of love scene. And I think this year has been sort of a year where we've been seeing a lot of black love going around, something that's really been missing in cinema and on screens.

23:00Oti: Mhmm. And we started off this chapter sort of, you know, going with Lena's Queen & Slim and how she really wanted to portray black love in a in a in a positive light because we rarely get to see that. Mhmm. So when when P-Valley just comes out of nowhere and and does this in such a magnificent way, you know, unashamedly so Yeah. And just backing up and putting everything on the table and showing how, you know, love is love and and this is how it is. Mhmm. I was I was taken aback.

23:29KT: And Wanuri's Rafiki is also a very good example.

23:34Oti: Yeah.

23:35KT: Yeah. Of that as well. And I don't know if you want this as another example, but you do have Tyrese Gibson and Taraji P. Henson in Baby Boy. There are there are varying spectrums of a black love, and we've covered a lot lot of of them. I'll add Gomo with Ving Rhames on that.

23:54Oti: I think we'll all go with Ving Rhames. Yeah. He he showed us how it's supposed to be done. For $500.

23:59KT: Thank you very much. Oh, but Uncle Clifford and you can see that, you know, from all of the fanfare and from all of the amazing can we also acknowledge that Uncle Clifford had a Frida Kahlo inspired outfit.

24:17Oti: Yeah.

24:18KT: So there is so much quality to this show. But, you know, for all of the, you know, Carl Jung, if you talk about, like, a mask that we have for the world or a mask that we keep to ourselves, there really is so much to Uncle Clifford. And you see that with the interplays between Mayor Tidal Ruffin. You see that with Corbin Kyle. You see that with the sheriff. There are so many different touch points that Uncle Clifford has within Chucalissa.

24:51Oti: Mhmm.

24:52KT: And I I I absolutely absolutely love Uncle Clifford.

24:56KT: Is there anything else you wanna say about Lil Murda?

24:56Oti: No. I I fully understood what he was going through. It's understandable. It's it's reasonable. He's battling something that he he himself wasn't aware that existed or at least he was you know, it it all happened in such a spur of the moment sort of thing Uh-huh. That I think it all it also just shocked him a bit. Yeah. So it's fully understandable. And I think season two would just

25:22Oti: I'd really wanna delve deeper into that because we're bottling him as of how he wants to portray himself out there as an artist who is this macho man producing rap. It's it's really, really hard, and I think the nuances are not lost on us. Mhmm. And it's something definitely interesting for us to sort of unveil.

25:43KT: Yeah. And I think the interesting thing is when you have, like, small towns or you have, like, tight knit communities, as close as they are, they can also be very judgmental. And in some cases, conservative in their views Yeah. As well. And it's interesting to see Uncle Clifford live in her truth, but to fully live in her truth with someone else would be too much for Chucalissa. Oh yeah. And that is very unfortunate but you know and it is 20 motherfucking 20. It's a sign of the times. Well the times fucking suck.

26:22KT: We're still living in very primitive conservative times in regards to views and people being able to live their truth. But Lil Murda is a very interesting sort of character, and definitely, I will draw some parallels with other characters in a second. But you can also see that Lil Murda has that conflict within him about wanting to be who he is, but also having career aspirations that are completely contradictory to that. Yep. And I I don't I don't like, I I was mad with him a 100% when that happened in the last episode,

27:04KT: but I also understand that the world unfortunately isn't perfect because it is constructed by humans that sometimes are full of garbage. But it is a love that I have really reveled in seeing every single episode together. And there is there is nothing better than seeing a couple, someone having, you know, really, really high walls, understandably so. And then you have a sweet natured, you know, partner that breaks down those walls. I'm not even talking about us, my love. Yeah. I'm talking about Pussy Valley. Yeah. Not KT's Pussy Valley. But

27:46KT: the last thing I guess I wanna talk about with Uncle Clifford, Lil Murda is Earnestine and when Lil Murda actually came over. It was very surreal. It's it's interesting that in this show, something as normal and as intimidating as meeting the family is surreal to me. Yeah. Because we we had gotten so used to the show and everything that surrounds it, but there is nothing scarier. No. There's not. And Jordan Peele, feel free to pay me for that. But there's nothing scarier than meeting the family.

28:24Oti: I feel like Ben Stiller did this already in Meet the Parents. So there's your horror right there.

28:30KT: Mate, if if that's how you wanna be remembered, if that's the sound bite that you wanna record on, then that's on you, sir. I live by that. But it was sweet and, dare I say, very wholesome that Uncle Clifford gets to experience not only the love from Lil Murda, but the acceptance of love from Earnestine. Yeah. And it was a really lovely moment that no matter what had happened behind us or what is going to happen in front of us, unfortunately, we had that moment together

29:07Oti: because you could see Earnestine was so open to Lil Murda, and they had such a wonderful exchange together. Yeah. Especially for her sort of generation. And you could tell that because it was quite shocking, and I was like, I need to know about Earnestine. Well, what's up with this? You know? She is blind, so I thought at first she didn't really know. Mhmm. But she knows everything. She knows all this and she's super accepting and it was marvelous and wonderful to see.

29:34KT: But it was also mentioned that she was actually a part of Pussy Valley. She didn't live the conventional lifestyle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And I'm so glad that Uncle Clifford has Earnestine or grandma Earnestine in that proximity. She was a bit extra, though, in the finale.

29:55Oti: That was to throw people like you off.

29:55KT: Throw me off my axis completely.

30:00KT: And even in the opening credits, it did have Loretta Devine there. And she hadn't showed up because there's so much was happening in the finale, by the way. But her name was on the credits, and I was like, where is she and the first thing is her crying at the radio. But it it was that whodunit sort of moment, and I definitely wanna talk about murder night. But let's continue to another magnificent, spectacular OG character, Mercedes. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. I will just mention the characters in her proximity so we can continue.

30:38KT: We have Terricka who spoiler spoiler spoiler is her daughter. Mhmm. We have Patrice Woodbine. It's like, you know, in Lion King when the hyenas are like, Mufasa. Say it again. Patrice Woodbine, definitely. And from what I could muster on IMDb, we have Main, who is the muscle daddy, I will call him, the ankle bracelet guy. Yeah.

31:05Oti: She had quite a lot of she had inter interesting storylines, didn't she?

31:09KT: Absolutely. And as soon as Mercedes we got a bit more airtime on Mercedes, I was wondering why we were focusing so much on Autumn Night.

31:19Oti: Yeah. After after we sort of shifted away from Autumn Night for a bit and the focus tilted slightly to Mercedes, that's when the show really started picking pace. And we started really feeling all the characters and, like, feeling the love for the show. Yeah. And then you get this aspect of Patrice, at least Mercedes and relationship with the mother and how religion plays a part in a lot of people's families. Yeah. You know? You can you could do the most atrocious of things, but religion will fucking nullify that.

31:54KT: With my prayers. With your prayers. Listen to our Key & Peele episode. And

32:00Oti: and it's just the perfect sort of example of how that works in this show. Because usually a lot of these things get just swept under the rug and you don't really get to think about them. Think about the effect. Yeah. Absolutely. So when we start unveiling what happens with Mercedes and the mother and to see what transpired without any sort of remorse from Patrice because hello, religion.

32:24KT: Hello.

32:25Oti: And it rubbed me a wrong way because I know a lot of people who went through shit, and it's all because of you get religion and, you know, oh, I I can't do anything about it because this person is you know, you can't be angry or you're not valid for you're not validated in how you feel because fucking religion. So it's it's it was interesting to see. It hit home on a lot of aspects, and I was happy to see how they did it. Yeah. And,

32:52KT: you know, when we talk about religion from both of our frame of references, we're specifically talking about Christianity. And, you know, there are some Christians out there like Patrice Woodbine where they say God first and I think this is a very good allegory if you'll pardon the spiritual reference of how detrimental that term can be that that god or religion is more important than your fucking family yeah it is more important than you know your children, tangible things in the real world

33:28KT: and also at the same time like Tracy Morgan said in 30 Rock you need to find a religion before you do something bad. Like, we learn so much about Mercedes. Who you are as a person is defined by your experiences and how you let those experiences define you. And how you allow those experiences to happen to you again or how people force those experiences to happen to you again. Yeah. One of my favorite episodes

34:03KT: is when we have, you know, it was supposed to be Mercedes last I think Mercedes last dance was supposed to be in all of the episodes. But, you know, it it's finally where we see the final straw between Mercedes and I feel like you had to say Patrice Woodbine. You can't just say Patrice. You can't just say Patrice. You know, you see the the final straw being drawn with Mercedes, and she just fucking had enough of her mother. Right?

34:31KT: And you see them in the jail. And, you know, it it was alluded to earlier in the series, but in that particular episode, we actually hear about Mercedes and what she went through. Yeah. The fact that Patrice actually offered up her daughter for favors, for sexual favors Yep. As a child. Mhmm. Very similar to Tatiana's character in Perry Mason spoiler I guess but you should watch Perry Mason you should be following us when we cover stuff friends and lovers or motherfuckers if you haven't watched it but to

35:10KT: because the fact she doesn't even deny it, does she? Patrice? She doesn't. She doesn't. So in your mind, as a whole conscious adult being, to do that to your own child and then to think that you are redeemed in the blood of your savior is not a it is not something that we should be applauding.

35:34Oti: Yeah. With with without all sort of showing remorse, without showing guilt. Because she was saved. Because, you know, sometimes you'd want at least to have the satisfaction that these people sort of regret what they did, regret how they're feeling, regret how they treated me, but no. No? No. No. Because what?

35:57KT: They've been forgiven. And the money that Mercedes, you know, put in the church to help the mom because of that loan, she used that. The last of Mercedes' money, she used that to buy her own megachurch. The fuck is that? Absolutely terrible. Disgusting, terrible. We keep hinting at religion. We're not even hinting. We're like backdoor thumping religion right now. We definitely need to air that in some sort of channel. But there's definitely a lot to explore with Mercedes and also Patrice. I do find it very sad that

36:40KT: in the finale, we have Mercedes running back to her mother. I, more than anyone, understand how fucking strong familial ties are. I understand that, but also my sense of self is more important than your expectations of me, mate. I just called my mother mate. Good for me.

37:04Oti: Aussie, it's accepted.

37:08KT: We just come out of the womb. Say thank you, mate. Hi, mate. Yikes. But it like, I understand it. But also at the same time, I've got my own sense of barriers and sense of boundaries, and family are not immune to that. What I love in that prison episode is where we have Uncle Clifford coming and checking on Mercedes. And even though Uncle Clifford was struggling with the Pynk, she was still willing to bail Mercedes out.

37:42Oti: Yeah. It's one of the best sort of you could tell how much they love each other, how much they've gone through together in their lives and how much respect they have for each other. Yeah. You know? Mercedes gave Clifford a big chunk of money when she found out that the Pynk was about to close. Yeah. 55 k. Yeah. Just because of how much they share. It's it's it's one of those things that you strive for to have with a a relationship with a friend that's so deep that understanding is mutual, it's symbiotic,

38:17Oti: it's one of the best things ever. Yeah. So to see them fully look up for each other Yeah. Especially when Clifford has when Clifford has her walls built up and not letting anyone in and to have someone as close as Mercedes is really beneficial. And to have Mercedes who has a mother, who's not really not a mother in any other sense of the word.

38:39KT: Aside from just giving birth.

38:39Oti: Yeah. True.

38:41Oti: Yeah. It's all biological. So you could see how how how they sort of benefit from each other and how they understand each other and how they look up for each other. And the way that Mercedes is introduced to us in the series is she, you know, she she does come off as a bitch when we first meet her.

39:01KT: I personally don't fall for the trap when you see a character, usually a woman that comes off as a bitch because I feel like we're going to get to some depth and I just wait for that. But in any case, even if you didn't know whether she was a mega bitch or not, the show pretty much turns that completely and you see how much she cares about people that she roots for and people in her circles. Yeah. Right? And,

39:30KT: you know, she's always trying to give people advice, but, you know, Gidget doesn't listen. She's not saving any money. But Mercedes, you know, I I spoke about Uncle Clifford bringing anchorage, but Mercedes does that as well. And, you know, there there's also a lot going on with her character as well with Terricka, for example. And you can see that there there's definitely that part of it that won't be complete until she gets custody back again. Oh, yeah. And to see that struggle, to see that, it it brings even more

40:04KT: you know, it brings even more dimension to her as a character, especially everything that she's been with through her mom. Oh, yeah. And the way that Patrice just left her crying in front of her church. Yeah. She's not a good person at all. She is not a good person at all let's talk about some good people in Mercedes life we have Main and we also have I think they refer to him as coach as well so Main was a guy to have

40:33KT: Brandee mentioned a lot. Don't worry about Mercedes. She's got lots of men's. You don't have to look at Mane all the time. And then we also have Coach who we saw, I think, in episode six or we we saw him in an episode, and then he showed up in the finale because Mercedes had a business investment for him. Yeah. Do do you think that he has a bigger role to play in season two? Do you think that she's going to utilize that investment even though there are some certain conditions to the agreement?

41:02KT: Or you think after the whole Autumn thing, which kind of gotten, you know, pretty much abruptly stopped everything, to be honest, do you think she's kind of had a chance to be like, no. I don't want him to be a partner because of those conditions.

41:16Oti: Yeah. I think that once she realized that Autumn was in trouble and she sort of went through that experience with her, I have I do not think she'll go back to that deal. I don't think she would want to be indebted to a guy like that who asked. You know, it's not it might not seem like much, but that shit adds up. So I hope I hope she doesn't go with him. It's just too much. It's definitely too much. Regardless of how he wants to paint it, moving you from the pole to the palace, you know.

41:47KT: But it'll be a palace on her own. Up yeah. Up palace and fucking strings attached. It'll be in a different palace with his wife. Yeah.

41:56Oti: It'll be a very lonely palace.

41:59KT: Yeah. And it's it's definitely you know what's interesting, actually? It is a juxtaposition to the financial independence that she had at the Pynk. So to completely relinquish that financial independence to have her gym I'm not sure that Mercedes specifically as a character would do that yeah but also she's she's worked really really hard for it so I'm not sure I feel like the Mercedes we know wouldn't, but I would also be very forgiving if Mercedes does do it. Yeah. She's been dealt a bad fucking hand. A bad fucking hand indeed.

42:40Oti: So hopefully, I think in season two, we'll get to see how she I think she'll go back to dancing.

42:47KT: Yeah. And Well, okay. Okay. What's more likely? Her going back to dancing? Because she kept saying she wouldn't. So her going back to dancing or her accepting coach's money?

42:47Oti: Oh, I actually don't even think she'll go back to dancing. I think with Autumn owning part of the of the Pynk, she would

43:04Oti: assume some managerial sort of role. But Autumn is very business minded. She's not gonna do it out of sentiment. She'll do it because they sort of understand each other now. Okay. They started as adversaries, and you gotta sort of sort of see how they sort of started bonding and how they understood each other and how they started looking out for each other. So I'm hoping that in season two, she brings Mercedes along Uh-huh. In the managerial sort of aspects of the Pynk and how they can sort of manage their entrepreneurial skills

43:36Oti: together and how to implement that father rather than Mercedes going back to dancing because I think that's shit does done. Sales. Yeah. We never really got Mercedes last dance. Because you have the trinity, you know, Mississippi, Gidget, and what was it? Mercedes? Autumn?

43:51KT: Well, I guess I'll let maybe peanut butter can do it. Yeah. Peanut butter can because Autumn Night is she's moving up to boss She out. Status. Before we move on to the next character, I was listening to an interview with Katori, and she was talking about that iconic scene in the pilot where we have well, it's Spider, Brandee Evans, body double on the roof. You know how the music drops and we're just hearing the breathing? And, you know, it really transports us into, you know, Mercedes character and the athleticism.

44:25Oti: Oh, the athleticism we took to to our car upside down on the roof.

44:31KT: What a scene. Right? What a scene to behold. Apparently, that was an accidental moment of brilliance. Oh, really? Because, you know, they talk to they talk a lot about female gaze, and, unfortunately, they had they didn't they weren't able to get all of the shots that they needed for that particular day. So they didn't get a point of view from

44:54KT: Mercedes down to the audience so she could see the audience watching her. And that was the only cut that they had of Mercedes up on the ceiling. And it was a decision between her and the editors to cut that to focus on her breathing. And I think that's one of the best sort of shots that we have. And it's in the pilot as well. Oh, yeah. Super credit. Super credit to everyone that's involved in this show.

45:21KT: Someone that was a character, not an actress, but a character that was involved that I wish wasn't too involved. We have Autumn Night. Mhmm. Her proximity characters are Andre Watkins and Montavious Hill.

45:34Oti: Montavious. What a name,

45:37KT: It's a very villainous name. It is. And if ever if anyone has a Terrence Howard podcast, I would bet Terrence Howard is the typical Montavious out there. I would bet that Terrence Howard has played a character called Montavious somewhere. It might be an indie production. It might be a TV movie. But I Might be a home film. I don't know. Perhaps. Perhaps it may be a home film. But if there is not a world where Terrence Howard hasn't played a Montavious, it's not a world I wanna live in, friends and lovers.

46:11KT: So let's let's talk a bit about Autumn Night. So like we said earlier, she

46:15Oti: was hard to sort of get on to reconnect with her Mhmm. Resonate with her character because we aren't really given anything to go about it. Yeah. We just found someone who was really cold and She was like a placeholder. Yeah. And we're like, come on. We feel like she has a bigger role to play, so give us all the info, give us something to hold on, to give us something to show that she actually has some depth because we knew at the start that she's gone through shit. Yeah. We saw flashbacks

46:48Oti: of her trying to shoot Montavious. Mhmm. We saw flashbacks of how the kid that she had and how the flood and it came a late to find out that she actually lost the kid Yeah. Which was sad. And once we start finding the layers of what made Autumn not be like that, she became quite a likable character.

47:07KT: But it wasn't the fact that just just the fact that she lost the kid, but she lost the kid because she was trying to run away from Montavious Mhmm. As well. And, you know, you said that you knew something was gonna happen to the character, but that's just because the she had so much screen time. Yeah. Right? It's like if you gave Creed from The Office as much screen time as Jim.

47:31Oti: That's an office I'd wanna watch.

47:34KT: Bobadi Bobadi. Bobadi Bobadi. Creed's blogs. There you go. Go and listen to our Office episode if you don't mind Jim and Pam begrudgment.

47:46Oti: Mhmm.

47:47KT: But, yeah, it's we've said it already, so I don't wanna spend too much time on it. But, yeah, she it became a quandary of how do we enjoy this show when we're trying to peek behind her and not watch whatever she's not doing or whatever she's not revealing at that particular time as a character. Let's talk a bit about Andre Watkins, and let's talk a bit about Montavious.

48:11Oti: Andre Watkins, man. He is smitten as hell.

48:11KT: He's a fucking incel, man. I

48:17KT: don't know how I don't know how he managed to stay a virgin when he got married, but he's a fucking incel.

48:22Oti: I wouldn't go that far. He's just whipped. He's just whipped. And you can you can tell, like, even in the last scene, Autumn is beating.

48:32Oti: Autumn is beating against his better interest. Yeah. But, yeah, he he like no. Autumn, you have it. You have this one. Because he hanged up the phone. Yeah. He hanged up the phone to ask for permission to go higher than 200

48:32KT: and I don't think they fucked in real life.

48:32Oti: They didn't. They had phone sex, like, in the I think it was episode two or episode three. They did have a brief moment where they started having sex in the in the champagne room, but that quickly got interrupted by

48:59Oti: Andre's wife calling and asking him to come home.

48:59KT: That was proper sex, though?

48:59Oti: She was started she started riding him. If that's not proper sex, I don't know what he there's alignment. If you're riding someone out there and you say that's proper sex.

49:12KT: Friends and lovers, I'm going to start a podcast and it's gonna be called For Your Zippers because he was zipped all the way up, my love.

49:12Oti: No. He she unzipped him. She was straddling me.

49:12KT: Alright. I feel like sometimes they say sex scenes, and you can see that they've got their full bottoms on.

49:32Oti: Well, I just assumed she was riding him anyway. But well, the minute he got home, he was he was super focused on just

49:41Oti: busting and not and went to town on the wife.

49:41KT: Yeah. Yeah. Totally. But I don't think they've had proper proper sex, have they? No. Man, the power of the light skinned pussy.

49:53Oti: Blue balls all the way.

49:56KT: Is that like a biography you're working on? It is. Alright. Good to know. Good to know. I feel like I I do wonder the value of Andre Watkins because he didn't seem very effective in his job. Or you're saying he was just so smitten by the pussy fumes? Yep.

50:18Oti: Because every every decision he made was terrible. He's battling with his conscience on whether or not to do whether or not he's doing the right thing because he has his granddaddy, his goddaddy, and Isaiah Washington.

50:31KT: That whole daddy's chicken. We do love our daddies, but that just came off really creepy. Yeah. Call someone your goddaddy. That's just something else.

50:41Oti: He's got his goddaddy in Isaiah, and he's battling whether or not he's doing it for the right reasons or just to benefit himself. Yep. So at least we see there's a conflict. There's a level of humanism in him to see that I just don't wanna do something to benefit myself. At least I wanna make sure the town of Chucalissa benefits.

51:01KT: Come on.

51:02Oti: Or at least in close proximity, I do something that pleases Hailey. There you go. I appraise that better for you. I'll agree with that.

51:13KT: Is there anything you wanna say about Montavious?

51:15Oti: We didn't really get He died. Right? We we assume he died because we don't know who get he's he's the only person who gets shot in that room. The only three people and we both saw we we saw the three people at the end of the of the series.

51:28KT: Well, maybe he'll be like Taylor from Bold and the Beautiful. Yeah. No one truly ever dies, is there? Well, not if you're Taylor, Ridge, or Brooke.

51:37Oti: Yeah. But there's nothing really much to say about him other than he's just your typical gangster

51:45KT: who wants to control every aspect of facets of your life. Yeah. I I just hope he's not like Ronnie from the shy where he's like a deplorable character, but they keep him around so they make him likable. I hope I hope we've seen the end of the Terrence Montavious Howard chapter of Pussy Valley. But, yeah, I guess just going back to Hailey,

52:09KT: it was nice to see her and Mercedes start to relate to each other. And if you notice, at least within the realms of the show, it was the first time that she ever shared what happened to her her daughter. Yeah.

52:22Oti: It really is. And,

52:24KT: you know, to be able to share something that's been burdening you is such a release, and you could really see that. And then they had that really gorgeous sequence where they're going to wire the money, and they're going to collect the money. Fucking ace. Yep. Someone deserves all of the awards. Everyone on the show deserves all of the awards, but that particular opening scene of Mercedes and Hailey just being fucking boss bitches together was exemplary.

52:58Oti: Yeah. For sure.

53:00KT: It will be interesting to see in season two how Hailey and Uncle Clifford and that power struggle go on. Yeah. Because Hailey is very business minded and, you know, like Montavious said, no one expects such a pretty face to be an accountant, I think she is. And to be smart. To be smart. Yes. And Uncle Clifford is so used to her own way of doing things. And I don't think she's going to take too kindly to Hailey having any sort of input, to be perfectly honest. Yeah. Also, I guess just mentioning,

53:38KT: Katori just talked about how it was such a delicious moment in the final scene of Pussy Valley, where you have people that were stolen from their own lands, living on stolen land, and purchasing the Pynk with stolen motherfucking money. Yeah. If that isn't solid Shakespearean writing, then don't contact me, friends and lovers. Everything is so beautifully done in the show. Katori co wrote all but one episode of this series.

54:15KT: She

54:16KT: she also mentioned that the person the creator of The Crown apparently has written or has at least credits for writing all of the episodes of The Crown. And she's like, I don't believe you. Because it's such an involved sort of process. Process. Yeah. So she she was she definitely felt like it needed to have her final sort of, you know, contribution in season one, but she doesn't know whether she can continue And I guess just to call back to our Archer episode, we talked about Adam Reed and how he writes every single episode

54:51KT: of Archer as well. It's I guess it's that dichotomy of wanting everything to be yours, but also not being able to write at all Yep. As well. Oh, but P-Valley is fucking great. Let's move on to the characters that we have in the Pynk. So we have Gidget, DJ Never Scared, Diamond, Big L, and coming to the stage, we have OTMI.

55:22Oti: Crooked ladder crooked ladder crooked ladder

55:32KT: I'm I'm I'm be Mississippi, I wrote Derek. Right? That's very unfortunate.

55:46Oti: So let's talk about the Pynk. Wow. The girls on the crew of the Pynk. Man, Keyshawn Keyshawn has we see her grow as a character. Yeah. Absolutely. We see her grow as a character in terms of her self confidence, but an aspect that remains the same is her link to the abusive husband slash boyfriend or whatever he the fuck it is. We don't really get to see her break free from the chains of domestic violence. She is tied into that with

56:18Oti: because I think having a baby with all this sort of in a scenario as well adds an extra layer of complexity to it all. So I'm not gonna speak here to the mindset of how we didn't see any sort of development in her because I know things are quite complex in that area. Mhmm. But one of the things that really just got to me, she had multiple opportunities to break free from that Yeah. And she didn't take it to the point of she pulls a gun out on Diamond.

56:44Oti: Yeah. And that was just I was like, wow. This was your chance. This is a finale. Break free.

56:51KT: Yeah. But it's fucking domestic violence. It is. It resolved that in eight episodes.

56:56Oti: I know. I know. But a man can hope.

57:01KT: And a man can also treat a woman right. And, unfortunately, that's not what we got with Derek. I I do appreciate that Shannon is, you know, highly credited. I think she's, like, the third on IMDb. So I definitely wanna spend some time talking about Keyshawn. But like you said, she if you talk about, like remember back in the day where you would watch, like, American Idol,

57:25KT: for example, and you would have strong performers all the way throughout? That would be Mercedes. Right? But then you would have, like, the underdog, like, someone that you knew had potential. And then through the series, like, through the competition, you're rooting for them because they're believing in themselves and they're taking risks, and they're going all the way there. That's what Keyshawn was. Yeah. And I really loved seeing that. And to be perfectly honest, when we first started the show with at least in the first two episodes,

57:54KT: it really just looked like the Uncle Clifford, Mercedes, and Hailey show. I didn't realize that we were going to have, you know, another main character in embodiment through through Keyshawn. We do see in the pilot, you know, that she brings her baby, and that's where you first see the sort of, you know, loving nature of Uncle Clifford, you know, telling all the girls to look after the baby. And to see her feeling her absolute worthless, like absolute worthless. And then later on in the series, it was revealed that he was white. Yeah.

58:33KT: Black Twitter went off, but that's a story for another day. The you know, domestic violence, unfortunately, is universal. But in any case, then you have, like you said, up until murder night. And you got really annoyed at that. But I'm like, you know what? Not just as a story, but just in general. In one of the later episodes, I think it was episode six or episode seven, Gidget was asking why doesn't she just leave him? Yeah.

59:06KT: And then the response was because that's when they're most likely to kill you. Yep. And I'm pretty sure Hailey is the person that said that Yep. As well. And I love how they tackled on that. And we also obviously see that with Hailey Montavious as well. It it's it's physical, but it's it's mental as much as it is physical as well. Yeah. And like you said, having the baby as well adds that extra layer. And as frustrating as it was, as fucking frustrating as it was, it was understandable.

59:44KT: Mhmm. The same way it was understandable if you weren't too mad at Lil Murda, it was understandable that Lil Murda did that as well. I'm I I do worry that Lil Murda's gonna take it to a point of no return. But, anyway Mhmm. But with Keyshawn, it was beautiful because you saw that she wanted to shine. But, obviously, when you have Mercedes as the OG and it's Mercedes Sunday, you know, you you just let her and she's that sort of person. Right? She just let Mercedes be the headliner. And it wasn't until absolutely

60:20KT: no other options. She's like, okay. I'm going to step up now. And she really reveled in it. She's very good at social media. She helped Lil Murda with that as well. Like, she has that, you know, sort of acumen. Yeah. And I really love that we were able to nurture that with her. Am I taking credit for a fictional character on the best fucking show of 2020? You're fucking right, friends and lovers. You're fucking right. But I absolutely love seeing Keyshawn. And the seeing her and Diamond together,

60:54KT: how funny was it when they were about to have well, they were having a tender moment, and they were about to kiss, and Gidget kicks the door open, and she says that she's sick of being sexually frustrated.

61:08Oti: Yeah.

61:09KT: That was hilarious. It was hilarious, but the fact that I wanted them to do it on the bench and it got interrupted, it just it completely took away from that moment. So let's take away from this moment and talk a bit about Gidget.

61:23Oti: She has quite a bond with Mercedes as well. Yeah. We see that she goes above and beyond trying to convince people to Yeah. That was bail just money for her, you know, up until she found out that she Mercedes bail was way above what they all had, considering they all have their struggles as well. Mhmm. So Gidget is a really fun character. She's there. She's loyal. And at at least, I hope to see more of her in season two and how she develops further.

61:53KT: Oh, absolutely. I also like that they added dimension to her character, and you see what she goes through with her mom as well. And then there's the guy that deals the pills. Yeah. The boyfriend. Big girl, yeah, was with on the last night as well. And you see that she's she's seeking love but in all the wrong places. Yep that sounds like a Drake song I'm not sure kids we also have DJ Never Scared he he's just a fun little character as

62:24KT: well and he's high he's in high school yeah and he helped produce Lil Murda's track as well. What what would you like to say about Diamond?

62:34Oti: He's a scary looking cuddly teddy bear. Nice. You don't wanna cuddle him too tightly, otherwise, he'll punch you.

62:44KT: That's not more big girl?

62:46Oti: No. Big girl looks like you can just put him in your pocket.

62:49KT: Oh my. Well, you do have some big pockets, my love. I do.

62:55Oti: But he's I'm just sad that nothing happened this season between him and Keyshawn. But I guess that's why we have development. We'll slowly build up to it. And in season two, I'm expecting more. I'm not sure whether or not she'll he'll completely pull back from Keyshawn because she pulled a gun on him. That's just an asshole. It's gotta fuck. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to really see what happens in that regard.

63:22KT: And I I I like that he didn't like Autumn Night from the start. I think he called her Riri, a Riri look alike. Mhmm. But, yeah, Diamond was really he was just one of those characters when he showed up on the screen, he knew what you were in for a good time. Mhmm. And you're just adding to your, you know, your puzzle pieces of Diamond. Yeah. Big L? Oh,

63:47Oti: his relationship with Clifford, you know. He looks super OG, you know. Oh, yeah. He looks super OG. Oh, absolutely. But you can tell that he Clifford means a lot to him. And even the last sort of episode, he he really tries to do everything he can to raise money to help Clifford. And that sort of builds up to the tension where he's not where he's needed to be to see what's going on at the club, things start going haywire, but at least he's trying. Yeah.

64:21Oti: I think he made sort of a promise that he'll never do sort of anything illegal to, you know Yeah. Absolutely. But it got to a point where he had to step in and try and do anything he can to help Clifford out. And it's respectable, at least.

64:34KT: And I think in a lot of senses, the Pynk is a microcosm for the world. You know? There's a lot of misogyny. There's a lot of, you know, degrading of women, but there's a lot of empowerment within that. And I love that, you know, Uncle Clifford as well as Big L, there there there's there's different levels of masculinity that can exist together. And that's definitely what we see with Big L and Uncle Clifford. And, you know, alright. Well, let's end this tantalizing pussy sandwich with the finale Oti.

65:07KT: So murder night, most suitably so, it really felt like a whodunit. Like, done it and who's gonna get it? Yeah. Because there were so many moving parts in this finale. There were so many storylines that were coming to a close and that were, you know, branching off into potential new storylines. And it was showing that everyone was breaking the rules. Mhmm. We have Big L leaving his post to go and get the drugs to try and save the Pynk. We have Diamond breaking the rules to go and try and save Keyshawn.

65:43KT: Yep. We have, you know, Uncle Clifford breaking the rules and going off. And there's just there's just so many instances where everyone is just out for blood.

65:54Oti: Mhmm.

65:55KT: One of one of the most exhilarating moments was watching Mercedes try and intercept the room with Hailey and also Montavious.

66:04Oti: Yeah.

66:06KT: Did you think we were going to have a tragedy of one of the main characters?

66:11Oti: I thought so. I I thought that Hailey was going to die. Yeah. Because it didn't seem that they do that to Mercedes, at least not yet, because there's so much riding on her in the story and development. Yep. At at least in my opinion, I thought Autumn was the sort of Like her story is done. Yeah. It was she was sort of the likeliest person to get done by. Uh-huh. I guess it'll be interesting to see

66:39Oti: what comes out of the developments and also with the casino.

66:44KT: But

66:47KT: it was a very satisfying finale. Every episode in P-Valley was exemplary. Katori mentions it quite a lot that this series has a very thin line between grit and glitter, and I think that is exemplified not only through the episode, but also the themes and the characters that we have as well. I would like to close with one of my favorite lines from Uncle Clifford. Don't tell me it's cornbread when I can smell the biscuits burning. Such an Uncle Clifford quote. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for journeying down to

67:25KT: both of our pussy valleys. We've enjoyed you in this place. But now it's time to leave friends and lovers in a segment we call For Your Reference. Oti.

67:34Oti: Purely from an enjoyment factor, I think the closest thing that this gave me the sort of similar vibes to was Bigger

67:34KT: Nice.

67:34Oti: With BET Plus.

67:34KT: Nice.

67:34Oti: Which sort of it's a really great show, so give it a go. Give it a try. Love it.

67:51KT: Nice. We've got two. Tell me. If we are talking about a story that is centered on women and the strength of friendship and bond, Set It Off.

67:51Oti: Nice.

67:51KT: And if we're talking about another Starz show that is very sexy and very grounded in solid writing, Spartacus.

68:12Oti: Nice.

68:14KT: And if you want to sploosh in the most gladiatorial of ways, you can find us on Twitter and Instagram. We are @ForYourRefPod. Alright. That's an email at hello@fyrpodcast.com. We also have Apple Podcast if you like to review us, and we'll see you guys next week. See you.