GNX Album Review (with One Mic, WPWSY & Andre)

Full transcript of GNX Album Review (with One Mic, WPWSY & Andre).

0:00KT: Welcome friends and lovers to the Grand Reference Tour where we will be riding in our GNX with Anita Baker with some special friends and lovers to talk about the post rap beef, GNX, Grammys, the Super Bowl, and just the overall cultural impact. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Thank you, everyone. We are going to get to everyone in this PlayStation game of America. But welcome, everyone, to the For Your Reference podcast.

0:35KT: Who wants to start?

0:35Jordan: Well, I guess me me and Cameron can go. So I'm Jordan Clark, one half of the White People Won't Save You podcast.

0:35Cameron: And I'm Cameron Mason. I'm the other half.

0:45Andre: Yo. I'm Andre. I'm just I'm a guest of the show, and Drake cleared all my debts at his concert in Melbourne.

0:55KT: Are you the one with the drone, Andre?

0:58Cameron: That was me. That was me. Testing things out.

1:01Countryboi: Wow. Yeah. My name is is Michael Countryboi. I'm from One Mic: Black History. Yeah, man. I'm here to I'm here to have a good time. It's it's it's it is good for me the times that I don't have to talk about history because I talk about it so much.

1:17KT: I think this kind of is history, isn't it? Yeah. I mean Maybe a bit more recent. It's it's his it's history, Jason.

1:25Countryboi: Everything everything's a little history. Right?

1:28KT: Yeah. Pretty much. And friends and lovers that are joining us on this recording, go and check back last year. We did a whole series of films that were referenced throughout the rap beef. I've got the wood added, like, if I'm gonna make a future list of other films that, like, were referenced pseudo Lee in Kendrick Lamar and and the songs throughout. But we've done The Pop Out. We've done The Wiz with Cameron and Jordan. Great, amazing sumptuous recording. We did Pet Sematary

1:59KT: with Andre where we were talking about Filipino and islander spirits haunting us forever. And Countryboi, we were gonna do The Simpsons and we're like, no. We're just you going to just told me about hip hop and we'll just stay. That movie aged like milk.

2:16Countryboi: I know. A Simpsons movie? Oh, yeah.

2:19Cameron: Remember when I was seen. It was J. Cole. Cole. Was his line about The Simpsons, about Kim. Yeah. Yeah.

2:26Jordan: Blame was Jermaine.

2:29Countryboi: So fun when I was when I watched it, you know, at the movie theater, and then I went back and watched it before this, I was like, wow. This is not fun at all. I'm on struggling. I'm struggling bad.

2:40KT: Too too much has happened since then, I think. Yeah. Absolutely. But I guess the last time we all kind of gathered together, we were talking about the Not Like Us video, which kind of felt like not necessarily the peak, but like how much better could it get. Right? It was October It was it was October, November, I think, when we got the Kendrick Lamar Super Bowl announcement that kind of and I love it because we all just end up messaging each other and being like Yeah. Okay. Wait. What's happening? We're pushing the red button.

3:15Cameron: So I kinda like all all all signals go. It was kinda like Mhmm. Really? How high we've already crested. Right? Like, how much more can we, like, pack into this? Because that's what I I I guess that's where I was, like, confused. I was like, we already got the video with, like, triple entendres and visual motifs and all these underlying meanings and stuff. I'm like, what you going to do next at the Super Bowl? What are you even gonna do there?

3:42Cameron: And he's got a hopscotch at the Super Bowl. Yeah. He put his hopscotch all all the way down all 100 yards.

3:50KT: But I guess before we get to GNX, which I think is, like, the the next sort of milestone in all of this. It feels weird to call it a post rap beef because it's it is so much more than that. But before we get to GNX, does anyone want to whether it's about Drake, whether it's about Jermaine, or even about Kendrick as well, does anyone wanna talk about anything before we get to the actual GNX album?

4:14Jordan: Well, I I guess for me, you know, it's it is interesting. We don't have to, again, dwell too much on the Drake side. But, like, when the beef was starting to taper off and it kinda felt like, alright. You know, we're not gonna get any more songs. It was like, well, what are they gonna do next? You know, like, what what's the next body of work from both of these people, and what does that sound like? And we weren't quite sure who was gonna drop

4:40Jordan: first because, like, Drake had been so quiet that it was like, is he just gonna, like, throw something out of nowhere. And Kendrick, over the last couple of years, has been I mean, not, like, just dropping out of anywhere, but even, like, this beef. Like, it would just be like, he put it on his Twitter, and then you didn't hear anything for, like know? That's

5:00Jordan: true. So, you know, like, when he's when he's coming, when it's Kendrick season, you know, like, it's there's a lot of noise outside that you can kinda, you know, feel it coming. And so with the the Super Bowl announcement, it was like, well, Kendrick's obviously gonna be doing something soon. Right? Because, like, you know, that that was kind of almost an album announcement. And then,

5:24Jordan: you know, again, he's doing it again with the Not Like Us video. You got what became Peekaboo. Everybody was calling it or not Peekaboo, Squabble Up. Mhmm. Yeah. We were just calling it broccoli because we didn't know.

5:37Cameron: We just got a Capacity line. It was like, damn. Woke up looking for the broccoli. Oh, let's go.

5:43Jordan: And then with with the, yeah, with the announcement for the Super Bowl in GNX, we also got another song that he was like, no. I'm not gonna put that on there. And it's like, could you Wow. Release that, please?

5:53Andre: Like, why do you keep doing this to us? I'm tired of hearing, like, the bad mashups audio on YouTube just to hear that song.

6:02Countryboi: Right. And one of the things about about Kendrick, the one of the things that I was the most excited for about the beef is I felt as though the beef would lead us to more Kendrick music, especially with like, you know, no disrespect to Mr. Morale, but that's not my favorite. Not my favorite album. So feeling that we were gonna get an album from Kendrick, and he was gonna be Aggie. He was gonna be hyper aggressive as I I need more of this. And I knew

6:31Countryboi: after the beef with Drake, even before the Super Bowl, it's like, has to drop an album. That has to be like, you don't do all this and then not pay off. There has to be a payoff Mhmm. At the end of this. And you have to match energy with what you've already given us. You can't give us Not Like Us and then follow that up with Mr. Morale. It has to be, you know

6:52KT: Countryboi said we're done healing. I wanna fight.

6:52Countryboi: Yeah. I don't want to I want I'm ready to fight. I need you to be Aggie.

7:13Andre: The album was just like this level of I'm not just here, it's the West Coast too. And I feel like that was his most West Coast

7:13KT: think we need Salmon to note Andre's outfit right now.

7:13Andre: Yes. This is as West Coast as I could get. I'm not throwing up it. I'm gonna keep my hands down here. It doesn't look like I'm throwing anything up. But it was so good to hear that album because it always sounded like I felt like people forgot how commercial DAMN. was.

7:41Andre: Yeah. And there was always, like, there was always, like, this this little fake cloud over him. I was like, oh, he can't have a hit. He can't have the he can't have, like, his moment. And it's, like, how soon do you guys forget that if he wants to do something, he can do something? I feel like even on GNX, he proved that he could do some r and b stuff. He can have, like, his Kendrick songs where he's very reflective and artistic, but then it's just like, yo, Squabble Up or Peekaboo

8:13Andre: or Hey Now where it's just like this eerie West Coast. Yeah. Like, this is like eighties Jericho drive by music, but for 2024, this is some scary stuff.

8:24KT: Andre is like, Delios, was his name in March, with his, like, one eye patch and telling the law.

8:32Andre: I like that guy. I like that guy.

8:35Cameron: I would definitely say this the, like, one of the kinda, like, the things about GNX that brought us closer to it was that the fact that he had a whole body of work that was thematic and, like, interesting and layered upon, like, post beef, like, kinda had a perspective post, you know, what he did with Not Like Us. That meant he was, like, thinking about the future

9:04Cameron: Mhmm. Then, you know? So I think we were all kinda caught off guard and surprised that, woah, he's gotta he's moving on to the next thing. He's moving on to how to build off of this and creating that West Coast dynamic and, you know, bringing the city together, you know, bringing those rappers together on the album and kind of giving you more to look at than the, you know,

9:27Cameron: the ag the aggression, you know, the fight itself. It's like, no, there's there there's the Colosseum. There's what's going on in the Colosseum. But then there's also the talk around the Colosseum, you know. We're the barracks where men can be men. That's right. But even And and men can fight sharks.

9:48Countryboi: Even the West Coast I was glad to hear it too. Of GNX and the whole thing is is still like a dig at Drake because his whole thing on Not Like Us was was that you have no ties. You have no you don't sound like anything. You go to Atlanta when you need to, you know, hit the clubs and then you go here and there. What what do you sound like? I sound like this. So every song on GNX sounding so West Coast, it's like, hey, this is my peep these are my people.

10:13Jordan: Yeah. I think it's it's interesting too because that, again, doubles back to the what were they gonna do next. Right? Like, Kendrick doubled down into the West Coast sound. Yeah. Drake doubled down back into I again, it's kinda it's interesting because he is, like you were saying, somebody who was not necessarily tied to any particular sound. And the sound he he comes back to the least is the Toronto sound. Like, he will abandon that for five, six, seven years and then do, you know, one of those songs that kinda sounds like

10:48Jordan: early Weeknd, you know, PartyNextDoor. And I was telling Cameron, even listening to the album, I was like, I don't know what PartyNextDoor sounds like because I can't tell if Drake just sounds like him or he sounds like her. And, like They sound like sound alikes. They're like the Spider-Man, you know, just pointing at each other in the worst way possible. You know, so Drake but Drake was like, well, I guess I'll do the thing that got me here. Except when you were doing that, everybody thought you were,

11:14Jordan: you know, maybe a bit performative, but still, like, the nice kid from Degrassi with the backpack who liked Phonte and, like, wanted to, you know, rap with his heroes.

11:25Cameron: It was like The naming of Bone of the Fides makes it worse, though. Like, that's what's crazy about it. Like, you're saying, like, yeah, he was a backpack. He was in the little he was listening to Little Brother, nigga. Where was you at? And it's like Oh, man. Little Brother. Boy, this. You know? But but but but he tries to go back to that and said, you're like a misogynist now. So No. No. Like Yeah.

11:46Countryboi: The the the vibes have changed, and yet you try to go back to how people felt about you in the beginning, but now we don't feel the same about you. They have no Right. Skin. You have nowhere to go.

11:58Cameron: You have to go back home. It's like you have no perspective on, like, what actually happened to you other than, like, I made a hoodie, and it had bullet holes in it and they smoked. And wasn't that wasn't that the thing that got us here, you know? Wasn't that the thing of Christmas after all? Right? Well, I think It's like, no, dawg.

12:15KT: This might be the time to talk about it and, you know, I I made a joke about Andre being there, but if you're debt free, congratulations, Andre. I'll keep my debts for the rest of my life if that's what it takes. But it it was interesting because I was on the bus and there was some young young youths. Most of them were young white boys. Mhmm. And I

12:38KT: like, obviously, they were yapping and they were talking. I took my earphones out and I heard them say Controlla. I heard them say One Dance, and I'm like, oh, for fuck's sake. Wow. They're on their way to the Drake concert. And I think that's one of the things where I was so sure. When we had this rap beef conversation, I was sure that this wouldn't change Drake in a mainstream sort of way because like everyone is saying, pop doesn't need roots.

13:05KT: Right? It's like, oh, I'm gonna have a k poppy which kind of already has r and b and hip hop roots anyway if you wanna be real about it. But it's like, this is the aesthetic. This is the hot thing now. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. And that's kind of how Drake was moving. Right? So Right. When he wasn't selling tickets in New Zealand, which is not a part of Australia for those that aren't aware, but it doesn't really matter.

13:27KT: I had a good time. $50 tickets that were not getting sold, I was having a good time. But those were two things that I didn't anticipate of Drake not charting the way he always charted and also him not selling tickets. The he ended up having I think in Sydney, he had full shows, maybe in Melbourne. He had shows as well. But because he was never really about it, I guess, so to speak, or he never stayed rooted in that way

13:55KT: to these little white boys with their little white girls on their way to the stadium. I don't think that makes a difference. And I I I just wanna hear from Andre if you have any sort of anything to add in in the streets of Melbourne.

14:07Andre: No. It was I was not in the streets. I was taking care of these little kids, but Father time? Father time is me. I noticed that I it was looked up some of the ticket info, and I'm like, this arena in Perth, why is it so hard to sell out? Then I look, and I'm like, Bryan Adams has a concert sold out in March. Come on, Drake. Bryan Adams cannot be outselling you. Wait. Bryan Adams is selling out Drake in 2025?

14:39Cameron: Yep. Yep. Cannot. Just like that's crazy. That's

14:45Andre: That's crazy. I was like, who else is gonna be performing here? Because I think the RAC Arena holds, like, maybe 15,000. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Bryan Adams. Okay. Cool. And March is sold out. Come on, Drake. Like, you have more recent hits than Bryan Adams. You gotta be able to at least get some kinda selling because he hasn't been on this area in a long, long time. So I'm thinking, like, these his fans are gonna show out in support, but no.

15:12KT: Bryan Adams got you, wiped down. And I think Kylie Minogue was in Melbourne. Right? Either the day maybe the day after Drake, Kylie Minogue?

15:21Andre: She could have been. She could have been. I'm not lie. Killing Drake though. Like, yeah. Birds wise, Kylie Minogue is killing baby.

15:28Cameron: Yeah. Right. But

15:30Jordan: I think that it's interesting too because one of the things that people were talking about when I'm not even gonna say the name of the album because it's so dumb. But

15:30KT: Say it, Jordan.

15:30Jordan: Drake's album. Drake's new album came out. One of the things that people are commenting on is, like, you know, this is a song this is an album

15:53Jordan: made specifically for women to cater to women to try to Nothing cute. To women. Yeah. Yeah. And I and and there it is because most of the people are saying, well, most of the people who are listening to this are, like, maybe not incel young men specifically, but, like, you know, kind of these, like, angry young men who just, like, want to feel like they can blame women for all of their problems. And, like, that's who you're making music for now, and they're not gonna buy concert tickets.

16:28Jordan: No. No. They got they got Fortnite to play. They got Right. Other things to attend to. Like, they're not gonna Right. Come to see So, like, when you abandoned most of your female fan base, you know, by pivoting to a more male fan base. And in such a hard way that it's just, like, become your identity now. Like Right. I don't know what you think is gonna happen when you start trying to tour this music because they're gonna be like, remember?

16:57Jordan: Even just all of the other, you know, like, allocations to stuff like Achieve, but, like, things that you specifically said that make it feel like you're not making music for us anymore.

17:09Countryboi: That was his base too. That's that was his base hard. That's hard to come back from.

17:15Jordan: I will because it's like imagine if LL Cool J did that. Like, LL Cool J was like, I made the pivot from, like, super hard rapper to, like Yeah. Making songs for women. And then sometimes I'd go back and be like, but I still beat your ass, you know, but but Right. You know? Fighting sharks, falling in love with Queen Latifah, all that. Yeah.

17:36Cameron: LL Cool J. Yeah. He he's the Thanos meme. He was perfectly balanced. Right. Yeah. He really did have all five stones. Like, he could do everything, and he could do it, like, super well. And then when he went into the acting, he was, like, just as, like, kind of all over the board. There was never a grace period with him acting. He was pretty he was a pretty decent actor, almost from jump. Yeah. That's like Shout out Deep Blue Sea. Had like a sharks fan, you know? Shout out In Too Deep.

18:03Countryboi: Yeah. I like Shout out so funny. Yo. It's oh, In Too Deep is a great movie. That is a very good really good movie. It's one of my favorites. It was so funny when LL said that, like, one day people are gonna realize that I wanted a great. And I'm like, I want to agree with you, but also, like, that has to come from somebody else. I need a little bit more humbleness.

18:23Cameron: Yeah. Humbleness

18:25KT: and rapping. You just talked about wanting aggressive raps as well.

18:29Countryboi: True. But

18:32Countryboi: it's wild. But I would I would say about Kendrick. Like, Kendrick will come and be super aggressive in Aggie, and then he will go hide in his cave and you won't see him for five years. Father time, like Andre. Right. And I and I kinda like that. I like it. I I like my rappers super aggressive on wax and normal people at the house. Yeah.

18:54Cameron: Just at the playground doing push ups, you know? Right. Right. Right. On the rooftops doing push ups. Normal sit. Yeah. On the rooftop. Rising push ups. Focus. Focus.

19:03Countryboi: Right. You've never been to prison. Why are you doing prison push ups?

19:07KT: I think Jermaine needs some smoke, though. Port Antonio, we were on our little little holiday and Port Antonio came. So we were, like, we waddled back to the hotel room so we could listen to it. And it was interesting because it was a who's the Wah Gwan Delilah? That was Drake, wasn't it? He was the Grippy.

19:28Cameron: That wasn't wasn't Wah Gwan Delilah, like, the first

19:31KT: Drake Zorba? Yeah.

19:33Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. Heart Part 6 or his Heart Part 6?

19:36KT: Yeah. I think so. But he had the Grippy. And I like, my dick wanted you specifically or something like that.

19:42Cameron: Yeah. Wait. Are we are we taking J. Cole to task for Grippy? Is that what's going on here?

19:42KT: No. No. No. I'm talking about I would take the task in general.

19:50KT: Because I I think I think collectively, we all agree that, like, when he wants to, Jermaine can rap. He might not read, but when he wants to, he can rap. Mhmm. Right? Right. Port Antonio, I I guess if you can, and I guess we can say whether we can or not, if you can separate, you know, him apologizing, maybe that's humility. I don't know what we wanna say that is. But in that track, it was very gloomy. It was very much like, I need to get my shit off.

20:19KT: But he, like, congratulated Drake. He didn't specifically name Kendrick, which is a bit annoying to me. Like Yeah. Catch fight's gonna be direct. We're wanting real routes, which is what Kendrick said in the Super Bowl ad. Right? But then he mentioned something about blood in regards to Kendrick in Port Antonio, which we see and will come to GNX. You know, blood is just pain to me.

20:40KT: I was like, okay. Fine. I don't know why you're trying to enter a beef that already ended. And he just released was it Clouds? Like, he just released the track. Now I'm just seeing this now. Oh, you're just seeing it now? He was rapping. I'm just seeing the track. I didn't even know. Yeah. Has anyone heard it?

21:01Jordan: Yeah. I I listen so it's interesting because I follow a lot of different rap channels. And, you know, there's obviously a very pro J. Cole side and a very maybe if not anti, just kinda like sit down Jermaine, you know, the side of people. And I was listening to Open Mike Eagle talk about the new song. And one of the things that he was talking about was just like, he he can really rap. You know what I mean? Like, he there's no doubt about his ability to put words together and, like, you know, all these different metaphors together. And

21:39Jordan: Open Mike Eagle was even talking about, like, the level of breath control and, like, all the stuff you need to do, some of the stuff that he was doing on that song. But then when you listen to it and, like, break it down, like, it is very just rappity rapper stuff. You know? So it's like he's got the the the surface level covered. But then, you know, like, the underneath is kinda lacking maybe because, like, KT said, doesn't read or or just has a certain amount. But, like so Port Antonio, what it reads like

22:16Jordan: is him recognizing that, like, I I'm I'm the rappity rap guy. You know what I mean? And so I can't not rappity rap. Like, I can't come out here and say, well, now I'm gonna do all of this stuff on my music because, like, claiming that I'm the best rapper is, like, 75% of my identity. So, like, I can't act like I just

22:41Jordan: tapped out, you know, before I even but, again, like, I I think we may have talked about this. It was just like that that was the most well, if I would have fought, you know, song of all time. It was like, you know, you're just lucky that I decided that I was above doing that because if I did had to change. Oh. Right. But it's like but you also released a salt. So it wasn't like you avoided

23:04Jordan: beef entirely. You stepped into the beef, realized that it was more than beef, you know, decided you didn't want that. So you can't act like you didn't do that. Yeah. And then be like, but if I did do that

23:17Cameron: I love how you handled your hands. Yeah. But

23:19Cameron: this is his attitude when it comes to stuff like this. Like, let us not forget, like, he called Noname out a couple years ago. Mhmm. And then had to sit that one out because it was Yeah. After the fact. He was like, Noname? Who is that? Let me talk about her for five seconds. How dare she have a book club? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, how dare she actually read? But then he does the thing he loves to do where he's just like, but I'm just a rapper though. So, you know, it's like, bro, you can't stop. You can't take that position on shit, especially when you're a rapper, bro.

23:50KT: Andre, did you say you listen to it?

23:50Andre: Yeah. I listened to both of them, and it's just like, man, this was Cole's time to prove that he's a top tier guy.

24:02KT: Are you a Cole cutie? Is that what you're saying, Andre?

24:05Andre: I would consider myself a Cole cutie. I'm a K bot and a Cole cutie. And I'm like, this is your chance. And if he just said, when he was at his Dreamville thing, said, didn't fit sit right with my soul. And then all of his music from then on out was just, like, him reflecting, but not saying, oh, if I did do it, it would have been different. If he just said, like, hey, maybe I've been going through this rap game differently.

24:32Andre: Maybe I went down a path that wasn't gonna be good for me in the long term, and I'm trying to revert and find something else within the genre.

24:41Cameron: Mhmm.

24:42Andre: Everybody would have been fine. But you can't sit there and say, boy, I would have punched him. I would have done this. He's lucky I didn't pull out my Batista blast and all this stuff. But it sounds silly. It's like it's almost like if he was a samurai, and you can see him slicing through all the bamboo stacks. His armor is nice and shiny. He could probably cut a bullet in half. Then when it's time for the battle, he ran off.

25:09Cameron: He's like, this doesn't seem He ran off a on a personal no, on a per yeah, on personal soul saving adventures. Like, yeah, I had to go do handle some shit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. My great grandfather's grandfather.

25:19Andre: You lucky that his spirit spoke to me and I have to meditate by this waterfall. It doesn't sit right by my spirit. It's pushing women and children out of the way.

25:28Countryboi: Yeah. That that soul that that soul spirit was was ScHoolboy Q telling him it about to get real.

25:33KT: Yeah. That's point. It's about to get weird. But that's a But I guess sorry. Just just quickly. Countryboi, I don't know if there's North Carolina tax here for your boy Jermaine. I wasn't gonna say that. No. I guess just generally, how are you feeling about J. Cole? Could could anything change your opinion? What is your opinion, etcetera, etcetera about our friend?

25:54Countryboi: Oh, wow. We have general just general love for J. Cole just because we just don't we don't have very many artists. Like, I I think it's like Petey Pablo, DaBaby, and J. Cole, and that's that's that's about it. That's about it. You know? It's

26:12Cameron: tough for the camera line, Drumline, bro. Like, that happened. Yeah, it did. Yeah, it did. Was it? Yeah. Yes. He's the that's the ending of Drumline is, hey, Petey Pablo's here and AJ is And

26:26Andre: he never raps. He's just like

26:28Cameron: Yeah. He really raps on the half side of the field. He goes Yep. And he goes like, and then he goes like, hey. Y'all saw me too. But they didn't license any of my songs, so I gotta go back.

26:39Countryboi: Yeah. I saw him perform at a halftime of a Charlotte Hornets game once. It was kinda sad. Wow. But he was fired, though. He's hey. I was about to say that seems like peak Petey Pablo.

26:49Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. That's that's about as good Very. Charlotte as good as it could be. Hell, Mike It is a bit of a tax. Yeah. Yeah, Mike Jones. Wow. Oh. Who? Mike Jones. Wow. Oh. Wow. I know. It's the truth, though. It's the truth, and it's okay. Do we still remember our phone number flossing. Mike Jones. Who? Mike Jones. Who? I definitely don't remember the phone number no more. That that phone has not rang.

27:17Countryboi: No. In at least ten years. Dry. It is very dry.

27:22Andre: People keep forgetting certain numbers. It's like, is it a 313 or a 331? And then Mike Jones is just waiting like that girl in Audition, like it's gonna ring, man. I can't wait to talk I to

27:32Countryboi: put it out everywhere. Someone's gonna call me.

27:38KT: Well, I because I think it's all kind of the same. But I also feel like maybe with J. Cole, there might be like a bit more grace than Drake. Like, if you wanna try, you can try. Because even in that recent Clouds, I was like, this sounds good. You're rapping, but don't say you're the best again. Like, I think we're Yeah. Yeah. Think we're done with that, which he kind of, like, did as well.

28:01KT: But I think we've given them, like, enough enough. It it we'll probably get to them throughout. But let's get into GNX. Where were you when GNX dropped? I think it was, like, five, 6AM in Sydney. It was like 05:15AM in Sydney when GNX dropped. Where was everyone? We can we can go track for track or we can talk about our favorite tracks but I like to hear just generally

28:26KT: Yeah. How we feel, and then we can go tracks if we want to.

28:26Countryboi: I I mean, I love it. I love it. I I I I'm big on the hyper aggressive hyper aggressive you know? I mean, it's this is this is why why it's funny to me about how we treat J. Cole and basically Drake in general is that rap is such a hyper masculine genre.

28:47Countryboi: You know? And somebody who like, I'm 40. I grew up listening to, you know, the the golden era of the nineties, and everybody was like this. So listening to GNX, this is like, this sounds like the '93 West Coast rap that I grew up loving. I've I love every moment of this. So I it's it's very hard. It's hard for me to dislike it. Like, I I knew I knew when I first heard it and I heard Squabble Up, I was like, I'm I'm already in. Like, let's go. Mhmm. Let's go.

29:18Cameron: Give me everything.

29:20Andre: Think I think I was waking up. It was 7AM. And I just saw the the GNX snippet. And I'm just like, oh, wow. This sounds so heavenly. What a great way to wake up. I'm about to get my girl up, get everybody's up, and then all of a sudden, they're like, no. It's an album. I'm like, no. It's just the snippet. The album should be coming soon. And then the the whole track listing came out for me, and I was like, I gotta change nappies. I gotta get breakfast. Put this on. It

29:49Andre: was it was it was a fun moment. I feel like living on the Australian time zone. It's like waking up and everything has already happened. So it's just like, try to catch up. Yeah. This is not a trio. This is not a trio. Yep. Yeah. Like Christmas morning. Yeah. It's like, get ready. Everybody already listened to it already. I analyzed it. I'm just like, let me just sit down, have my coffee.

30:12Countryboi: I bet your entire timeline was just like Mustard. Just Mustard.

30:15Andre: Mustard. Yeah. I was like, why does Goku talking about Mustard? I'm seeing all these anime Mustards. You're a dangerous man. I stay off until I like, get to hear it. I'm like, I'm trying to connect dots that will be connected in the future. But I'm like, what who's Mustard?

30:31Countryboi: What's You know what's funny is I remember the meme, and I couldn't find out what song that was on because it's, like, halfway into TV Off. And I lived at the TV Off. And I like, oh, this is okay. It's okay. I moved on.

30:43Cameron: So everybody's like, Mustard. Was like, what the hell?

30:46Countryboi: I didn't hear that. That's not on my album.

30:49Andre: Did you hear it on Spotify? Did you hear it on Apple Music? Because there are is this like an exclusive Mustard song that I don't know? Right.

30:59Countryboi: Like, I I expected that part the way it sounds. And, you know, Kendrick is Kendrick loves a beat switch. And I assume that was the very beginning of a song. So I flipped through every track, and I was like, this is not on my album.

31:09Cameron: Oh, okay. Yeah. You know?

31:14Countryboi: And the the very beginning of TV Off does not sound like that. So I'm waiting for that. He's amped up. He's amping up. Yeah. I'm like, where's my Mustard?

31:20KT: No. Nowhere. DNA and King's Dead are, like, my favorite sort of, like, tracks when Kendrick snaps, and he just gets into that I love that. Mode. But I like that mode. Yeah. Yeah. Cameron and Jordan, GNX, what were your initial thoughts, feelings watching listening experience?

31:36Cameron: I think I was at work, and you texted me, Jordan. I think you were like, hey, yo. It happened. And I was like, what? Like, I wish I could go through the receipts to find it.

31:36KT: You do make them sound like a Wire character.

31:50Cameron: You do, though. You do access

31:52Cameron: the shit like that. Like, honestly, through the beef, that was you. You literally I was eating eating munch at work, and it was like,

32:00Cameron: another tower's been hit, bro. And I'm just like, woah woah woah. What's going on? And then I, like, check out the track, and I'm like, oh, shit. Oh my god. You know, like so I can just imagine you checking your checking your beeper, like, the first season of The Wire. You know? Look. Yo. I gotta hit a payphone. I gotta talk to I gotta talk to you. Like, hold on. Hold on. Hold Hold on. Pull over right here. Yeah. 63 means Kendrick. I gotta go. I got you. Exactly. Well, I

32:26Cameron: saw your text, then, you know, I went on to work computer and saw it on YouTube, and then saw it was the whole album. And I was like, oh Mhmm. Oh, god. Poor Drake. Because he's probably gonna murder him on this. Check check on your mans. Yeah. Check on your mans. Check on on your mans for real. Yeah. And now let's do it on the way home. And I was like, oh, this this isn't even about that nigga, but it's about, like, the aggression. It's about that Mhmm. Being in that in that vibe,

32:53Cameron: but not about him. And I was just like, this is this is peak. This is so this is everything.

33:00Countryboi: I wonder like, this is one of things I always I did did you have this in a chamber? Did you know? Because it feels That's the thing. That's what's still

33:00KT: Let's get to the timeline. Let's hear Jordan first because the timeline is very Sorry. Sorry. Interesting. But let's let's get to Jordan first about Yeah. The

33:16Jordan: Real quick. Yes. I mean, I just I saw it on my way to work, I was like, okay. You know? Yeah. I I I listen to as much as I can before I get there and then I'll

33:20KT: Just rise to rise. You're trying to dissuade that you you're the insider. Right? Like, I wasn't sitting in a dark room. I was actually out in the public. Just wait. I didn't get the the black ops text. Yeah.

33:35Jordan: I didn't pick up the CD from, like, a random cafe and, like, make the drop. Yeah. Right. Off we have the block. Yeah. Well, I think, you know, initially, because there was there was some of the chatter, people just like, oh, like, this is cool, but it's not like, you know, trying to downplay and could be some Drake people within that, could be some people who maybe were just expecting something different. Because on my first listen, I liked it.

34:04Jordan: But I think I'd been so used to, you know, the other albums where it's just like, there's a theme, there's like a larger, you know, interwoven thing, whether it's not the skits or Yeah. Yeah. You know? So I was kinda thrown a little bit where I was just like, oh, okay. Because this this feels like a mixtape, you know, and not like, you know, one of his

34:23Jordan: albums of the past. But then when I listened to it again, I I was like, no. This is just the victory lap. Like, this is like Yeah. Alright. You know, mission accomplished. Absolutely. You know, now we're just gonna ride, and, like, this is the music as we play as we ride through the streets, you know, afterwards. I like the nine eleven references also, the mission accomplished

34:41Cameron: Yeah. Towers hit the building. I'm just saying it's it's that epic, though. It is that epic, though. Yeah. Because he yeah. I mean Yeah. Yeah. No. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

34:55Jordan: Oh, no. I was just gonna say, like, it it it feels like he Kendrick is very much us in a lot of ways. And I think similar to us, he had just finished digesting everything that had gone down. And I think this was just kinda like his

35:13KT: Oh, they got to him. They're like, you're revealing too much joy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, yeah. Yeah. I just pulled that cord. He was like, gonna feed. Yeah. Gonna feed.

35:23Cameron: Turn his turn his stream off. Oh, they got you back. Turn his stream off. He he cooking too much.

35:40Jordan: He had this platform. And, you know, similar when you think about The Pop Out, you know, a lot of people on the West Coast specifically talk about how that was, like, such a moment. Like, they were like, those people on stage two days ago were gonna kill each other. You know what I mean? And he got them all here together. They don't do this. People out here don't do this. And and like Andre was saying, this just feels like he's really trying to unify

36:07Jordan: Los Angeles, unify the West Coast with this album. So once I cut took all of that into context, I was like, oh, I get it. Like, I get this now. Like, this is very much just his, like, I'm stamping this, and now, you know, something's coming after. But, like, I really just wanna put this GNX and then the Super Bowl were kinda, like, very much Yeah. The period on, you know, everything he had been doing last year.

36:28KT: We get it too, Jordan. We'll sign the NDAs. It's okay. I know you're pretending to cut the feed just

36:37Countryboi: This this just feels the closest to good kid, m.A.A.d city, but also still very, you know, sonically different, very 2025. You know? Mhmm. I because my favorite album is, you know, from him is good kid, m.A.A.d city. And this is probably the closest, the most West Coast. And I know that, you know, good kid, m.A.A.d city was a concept album, and they had a overarching theme.

36:59Countryboi: But, you know, individually, those songs sound very similar to what you're getting what you get here from GNX. And that's I I feel like that's a positive, at least for me.

37:08KT: I I I might be wrong in saying this, but I think what I'm hearing is it feels unaffected by popular culture. It's Yeah. Culturally whatever Kendrick wants it to be and what the culture is. So even if it is popular, like, is that kind of am I getting

37:21Countryboi: Kendrick has always done what the fuck he wants to do. Kendrick Kendrick has never been the type of guy like like, he does follow some mainstream, like, even on GNX.

37:35Cameron: I think he follows his creative, like, he follows, like, his creative North stars, you know, like Mhmm. Yeah. The Isley Brothers and, like, you know, West Coast hip hop, you know, the, you know, the Snoop and Dre era. He called Blackstone.

37:49KT: You're not gonna be like, oh, remember when Kendrick did reggae? You remember when Kendrick did You're

37:54Cameron: not. You're You're not. You're You're You're Remember we had a Wah Gwan Delilah? Yeah.

38:07Andre: Yeah. That's really toeing to everything except that Toronto sound.

38:12Countryboi: And I and I and I feel like that makes you feel inauthentic. And when you're dealing with pop fans who don't have any roots, they love that. They they they they don't care that you don't that you don't have a genuine anything. But if you're not certified and when you get exposed, like he got exposed by Kendrick, And now the, you know, the people who the the the pop fans look towards for what's hot, who's hot, who should we like? If they're not, you know, cosigning on that person, then it's like, maybe

38:43Countryboi: we don't like him either. So it's like, where do you go? Where do you go from now? Where do go because you're right you're riding waves essentially.

38:51KT: And I don't know if you guys remember, like, during the time of Insecure, fans of the show, like, not black people will go to, like, Inglewood. And it was like, can you please get lost? Like, you And take the pictures in front of the dunes like, yo. This is history. You're not Timothée Chalamet. You can't yeah. You're not Timothée Chalamet. You can't roll around in a GNX with Kendrick. Like, it's not the same thing. But if we talk about the timelines, September, I think, was the first time we heard about a mural being whacked out. So people are saying

39:21KT: there are like, that could have been possibly the timeline. It didn't just happen at the time it was released. Right? And I think I think Mustard was talking about hearing TV Off Yeah. At the Not Like Us music video, which Yeah. Came out in July, but there were dancers that talked about being on a music video that they didn't know about because, obviously, Kendrick and the pgLang team, very creative, excited for the film to come out as well, by the way. But they mentioned doing it in May. So it's like so much

39:53KT: has happened and I guess it depends on which string theory you wanna, like Yeah. Plot. But it seems like this has been a collation. Like, he's continued to build off of it. People were wondering if he I don't know if it was Man at the Garden, but if they were saying a particular track, he waited and responded to Port Antonio. So I feel like there's so much that's, like, potentially when he did it or he was building

40:18Countryboi: It's on interesting because even Not Like Us, Not Not Like Us sounds like a track that, like, perfectly at home on GNX. And when you hear it, you're like, I well, which came which which one of these came first? You know? Were you were you putting together this beef and then after the beef, he was like, well, I got to have a whole album full of this. I need to bottle all of this energy or were you coming together with this energy and then was like, oh, by the way, let me knock this nigga head off.

40:52Countryboi: By the way, good morning. Let me keep this axe. You know, it just, I don't know. Either way, everything has to line up perfectly for you to be able to fully capitalize the way that he did. Like the way Mike would have done it,

41:07Countryboi: is I would have had beef, seen the results of the beef, been like, oh, wow. This is popular. Let me capitalize on that and been rushing to put together an album to capitalize on all this energy that's that I have built on. But that doesn't feel like the Kendrick way. It doesn't feel like he would have done. Yeah.

41:29Jordan: Well, it's interesting because there's there's a woman in the N95 video Yeah. Who when it came out was talking about, like, we filmed this last year. Yeah. You know? Like, we I I'm I'm seeing this now. I'm surprised I didn't think this was coming out because, like, you know, I filmed the video. I assumed the album was coming shortly after that, and I didn't hear anything about it until, you know, Mr. Morale came out. So, like, I think he has a lot of this stuff just ready to go, and he's kinda moving at his own pace.

41:59Jordan: And so there might be certain situations where, like, did he have a whole album just sitting around waiting to come out? I don't know if that's the case. But, like, I could see some of like, I could see, like, either, like, Dodger Blue or Yeah. You know, Luther being songs that, like, he had done. Maybe, like, was just working on, you know, in the course of things, and then, like, all of this started to come together. Because he also talks about he saw the mariachi singer at one of the Dodgers World Series games.

42:29KT: You can't tell me I don't speak Spanish. Excuse me. You can't tell me I'm not saying the Spanish words and sounding exactly like her. You just can't tell me. Cameron and Andre, do you have any thoughts on the timelines before we go through the tracks?

42:48Andre: I feel like Kendrick is always gonna have this mysticism around him. Mhmm. And even though it felt like he should have he he had something ready to go, He released it on his own time, and it still fit the, I guess, the the culture. Mhmm. Yeah. And sorry to bring him up again, but that's just like, that's something Drake doesn't have. He does he's always he's chronically online. And

43:18KT: he does like the Pet Sematary. Hey. You're using that burial ground to bring him out.

43:23Andre: It's like this there's a wrestler named Sting who would just stay in the rafters, and then he'd pop down whenever he he needs to. And I feel like that's that's Kendrick. Like, he'll he'll stay up there and he could see everything. He doesn't need to be down there mingling with everybody.

43:37Countryboi: That that mystique of people missing you, I think that, like, being away helps a lot with that mystique.

43:46Jordan: Well, that was even, you know, during the beef where Drake was like, drop. He's not dropping. He's not dropping fast enough. Like, you know, like He's dead. And it's like he's gonna start when he's ready to do it. Like, nobody's gonna rush him off of his spot. Like, he's gonna do what he's gonna do. So there's really you know, whether it's fans, whether it's somebody

44:06Jordan: calling them out, like, he's just gonna take his time. And then when it's done Ready. Yeah. When it's ready. You know, like, he's he's always hitting things at the right time. So, like, I don't know what kind of calendar he has. I like to see it because it would help me with a lot of things about Yeah. Yeah. To be able to know Right. I can't think of a time where he's he's just missed, you know, with his timing in terms of releasing music and and all of that.

44:33Countryboi: He said to someone who is seems to be always away or in his clay cave, he seems hyper aware of, like, the culture and people and where people are at and what they need. And for someone like Drake who's chronically online, he seems to be completely unaware of the culture. And, like, it doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that Kendrick should understand these things better than you do. It doesn't understand

45:00Countryboi: It doesn't make sense that that that every black person I know under knows why you don't sue someone after a rap beef and why that would be potentially hazardous to your, you know, standing within the culture. Like, do you not know any black people at all? Like, got to tell you, this is a terrible

45:20Countryboi: it's a terrible plan. And and for someone who's constantly online, you had to know that. Someone had to be like, nah, bro, that ain't it. And he's like, nah. I think it's a great idea. Like, it does I think I don't know. Sure.

45:32Jordan: Drake strikes me as the I'm gonna have the last word kind of person. You know what I mean? So like, if I cannot outwrap you, something's gonna happen, or I'm gonna feel like I walked off with a win somehow. You know what I mean? And I Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Finish. Oh, no. I'm just saying, like, you could see there's there's so many self inflicted wounds, you know, that Kendrick didn't even have to work for, you know, that he just kinda threw up to him because Yeah. He's such a dork.

46:03Jordan: So, like, I think he he's Stay down, man. Stay down. Could see him could just see him flailing this whole time and, like, the lawsuit kinda feels like just the last yeah, man. It's just like this is the last thing, and it's it's Sideshow Bob with the rake, just to make a difference. Like, he just can't stop walking into the rakes.

46:03Cameron: Well, I think what it is also, we're

46:30Cameron: sorta kinda hovering around is that Kendrick leads these conversations. Right? Right. The technically, he leads the conversation on his beef because he started it with, you know, the the track on the Future.

46:45KT: Big is the what?

46:48Cameron: Crusade.

46:50Jordan: Right? That is that is so true. Well and Cameron, I will I will mention this because everybody always forgets it, but, like, okay. You know, Like That is out there. Right? Sure. And you get both mention of a cease and desist. Know what I mean? Yes. Which, like, that's that's weird, you know, specifically coming from Drake. But then on Euphoria, he's like, I'm surprised you wanted that feature request. Right? So, like, that's even further than that. Like, even if you don't consider First Person Shooter a diss track,

47:30Jordan: the idea of you trying to get me on a song and you know I don't like you

47:35Cameron: Right. And then you and then you say, you know And then you talk about it.

47:39Jordan: And it's like, okay. Like, I can poke back. Like, we can we can go back and forth if you wanna do this. So I don't even know if if, like, that was the was the impetus or if it was that feature request that was, like I mean, people are talking about All the Stars as, like, directly directly aimed. So And all stars keep going back. You ain't gonna get a lot of kick it. I think that's also a Drake diss.

48:06Jordan: Yeah. I mean I think you could It's not. You all could the way back to tuck a sensitive rapper in his pajama clothes at the at the BET cypher. You know? Very, very, very true. Very true.

48:06KT: Well, Angie the Angie Martinez,

48:20KT: that was off that was around the same time. Right? When Drake's like, oh, but he was smiling at me. Do you want him to punch you in the face at, like, the distributor? Because that's the next who's smiling at you at the Super Bowl too. Like, what do you want? Hey, Drake. Cameron, did you wanna finish off? If you guys have the time, I wanna go track through track. If you don't have the time Yeah. Go ahead. We can just talk about highlights. But Cameron, did you wanna

48:40KT: is there anything you wanted to say about timeline stuff?

48:43Cameron: Well, just real quick that, you know, Kendrick seems to be, like, the leader in these conversations or, like, the one actually provoking whereas Drake does follow-up. He's the one who thinks he's gonna get the last line. Mhmm. I mean, honestly, him, which I still think is clever, him naming his one of his diss tracks, Heart Part 6, is like Yeah. Really, probably the

49:03Cameron: savviest move he had in his arsenal, and then he got, like, stomped out immediately.

49:03Jordan: But that was Twitter. Like, Twitter was telling him everything. True. True. It was Twitter, but, like He planted the information, Cameron. Yeah. He had it the whole time. He's the mastermind

49:18Jordan: behind all of us. Like, for real. You know what mean?

49:18Cameron: And even even if he he plays that He studies rap music. Savviest move. Yeah. But that's still the savviest move he had in his arsenal. Otherwise, like, it was just, like, response, response, response. Right? So I've and he feels like that when he responds, he's more, I guess, dynamic with his responses. Yeah. Because I tell tell me that he doesn't say that the the bullet holes is a response, you know?

49:53Jordan: It these are these are, like,

49:56Cameron: fashionable responses to And the Australians are, like, we banned guns in the nineteen nineties. Who? Right. It's like, you didn't even do it right. When you did it, you didn't even do it right. Whereas, Heath Ledgerig is, like, he's literally got the third eye open and all of the all of his moves are double and triple entendres that you can't even trip over if you try. He's got the third eye of Sauron. You know what I mean? Like, that changes. Bro, any base He's pointing directly at straight.

50:23Cameron: Opening that bitch up. Third eye is evil. Right. Right. But that's the thing but that's the thing. Drake is goofy, and he can't like, his eye of Sauron is, like, you know, shooting unicorn rainbows while, like, you know, Kendrick is shooting, like, straight fire at his chest, opening his chest cavity up. Drake is brutal.

50:44Countryboi: He's such an easy target, though. He's such an easy like, everything that Kendrick talks about is exactly what I would have done. I was like, yo. It would it would help me. He says it in advance.

50:54KT: Kendrick says it in advance, and Drake still does it. Like, wouldn't you avoid what he's accusing you? Not not even not even the pedophile. Like,

51:03Countryboi: something embarrassing. But Kendrick is a very difficult target. What were you gonna talk about? He he does an album. He has, like, what, like, 300 tracks ever, and he does his album, and then he goes hides in his hole, and you never hear from him. What were you gonna talk about? Yeah. How how day am I? He is the actual brother. How day you short, moisturized king. Yeah. He loves you, friend. Right? Exactly. There was nothing on him. Look at the tiny little feet.

51:31Cameron: Yeah. I mean, he did seven. We could relitigate it. We could relitigate it because he definitely, like, you know, did with the route of Whitney and, like, tried to, you know, go for the abuse stuff and He tried. Even he was, like, open up with that. He was open with that in response to it being like, yes. I have, you know, shit like that deal. Dave Free.

51:53KT: Yeah.

51:54Jordan: But here's the thing. I mean, well, I I will get this on the record just one last time is that when you go back and listen to everything that Kendrick said, it wasn't hearsay or rumor. It was a hey. Remember when Drake did remember when Drake slept with Lil Wayne's girlfriend when he was in jail? Remember the way that he was talking crazy about Serena Williams? Remember that time he got sued for $500,000

52:17Jordan: for sexual assault? Yeah. You remember all those stories about the gambling? Do you remember when he lied about having a kid? Do you remember and it just keeps going. Stop. He's already dead. Stop. Stop. It's always worth another another sense of reference. Another sense coming up. Right. You're you're short. Maybe they took 50% when you left TDE, and allegedly, somebody told me that you beat your wife, and maybe that's not your kid. Meanwhile, you're you got a $500,000 sexual assault settlement case. Yeah. And

52:54Jordan: multiple women have claimed that you have either, like, made them sign NDAs or

53:01Cameron: Let alone the video footage of the concert that we have all seen. Like, you know, we That's not even women. That's young girls as well. And it's And that but that's what it is. That's the same Drake. That's directly at you. It's like Before Drake was weird. We're talking about what we've seen, you know? Sorry.

53:17Countryboi: What was Before Drake was weird, I saw him in concert.

53:21KT: Weird. Don't lie. I saw you in a straight country The

53:24Countryboi: most the most awesome concert today that wasn't that dope. It was it was J. Cole, Rick Ross, and the headliner was Drake. And that sounds insane in 2020 But at the time Ten years ago. Had, yeah, J. Cole had, like, one song and he had to bring Petey Pablo out to stretch it out and Rick Ross did.

53:47Cameron: Petey Pablo is gonna follow us like GNX. No. Petey Pablo will be like, my name is in somebody's mouth. Somebody heard it. You don't have lie to it. Like boogeyman. But anyway That's right. Drake

53:58Countryboi: Drake brought this young girl on stage and kissed her on the mouth, and that was his whole shtick at the time is that he would bring some girl up on stage. And I don't know her age, but she didn't look legal from the 2nd Floor that I was on. Yeah. Just saying. Which is mean, that's again, if you're Drake's team

54:15Jordan: and you can't tell how old this person is, you'd say, not that one. There's literal video of Lil Wayne, like, about to bring a girl on stage, and then somebody's like, oh, how old are you? And she I think she's just like 16 or 17. It's like, oh, no. No. We can't do that. You hear I mean? She's Like,

54:34KT: fit of Can we bookmark the Satterfield ad, like, maybe once we get to everything we need to get to? Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Because we haven't even talked about Lil Wayne and his legacy, but I do wanna talk about him. But we'll be 50 performance. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get So, like, what Cameron was saying about Kendrick leading conversations as well as Countryboi talking about how he always manages to be tapped in. I think the big word of the day is culture

55:00KT: because it's not even about, you know, Drake acting like a cruddy, which is obviously a 100% true. But I think you don't need to constantly tap into algorithms to know culturally what makes sense and to always be about what you say you're going to be about. So even if Kendrick isn't online,

55:21KT: I don't think the way he moves is informed by that, which I think is what a lot of the people appreciate. Because if people wanna have a really mature conversation about this rap beef, sure you can say people are glazing for Kendrick, but it's more than that. It's about what Kendrick says and it's about what he stands for. It is fun and it'll dance all over your grave as well, but there's a bigger conversation to be had there.

55:43KT: I wanna go through track by track. Are you guys okay with that? We don't have to spend too much time on it. Yeah. Of course. But we're just having so much fun. I just wanna make sure

55:52KT: we get what we need to. So Wacced Out Murals. Also, the way that Oti and I were listening to it, started we to get to the point where we couldn't just even watch it off the TV. We needed to listen in our own earphones first. And to have that as an album, we were, like, pushing each other. Like, is this actually happening? This is the best day of my life.

56:12KT: But I guess how did it start hearing it? Because I think it very much informs this is what we're getting into. It's like a Spike Lee opening shot. Right? Like Mhmm. You know what we're getting into. Maybe not thematically, but you know this is the energy. This is what time we're on. What did everyone think about Wacced Out Murals?

56:30Andre: I loved it as an intro. It almost had, like, this dark scent energy where it's almost like he's like, you might think I'm the hero, but I have villain tendencies, and that's what gets the job done. Mhmm. And the way he just goes about it, and he drops these lines, like he's like, Drake was putting money out there to find something on me. And it's like, he's like, what something bad could have happened out of this. And what hit my mind was Nipsey Hussle.

56:59Andre: Like, Nipsey stays close to the streets, and I was like, if that money he said, like, if the money fell into the hands of a crash dummy, we we wouldn't be talking about Yeah. And to think like, yeah, we're never gonna be cool after this. And I feel like that's the thing about West Coast guys. It's like, you might think we're overdoing it, but this is our reason. And what Drake did is it you can't be buddy buddy and have barbecues and stuff with him now.

57:29Jordan: It definitely feels like I don't know if you guys ever say I it was it was a Key and Peele sketch, but it happens in real life too sometimes when, like, two people are scheduled to fight each other. And one person is like, I'm gonna talk about your mom and your religion and, like, all this other stuff, but we're just selling the fight. So, like, I don't really mean it, but, like, I'm just saying it so, like, people get interested. And the other person is like, I don't play about that shit.

57:52Jordan: You're coming for your soul. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that you know? And and Kendrick, I think Drake was like, you know, I'm gonna do the same play. I'm gonna talk about your girl. Like, I talked to her about Pusha T with Meek Mill, and I'm gonna, you know, talk about all this other stuff and, like, you know, whatever, whatever. And it was like, Kendrick was like, that's the wrong button to push. You know what I mean? Like Yeah. My family and, like, all of that stuff, like, second you cross that line,

58:15Jordan: like, that's the end. Right? And so I think for Drake, you know, he kinda thought, oh, I could just, you know, do these things. I could put this energy out there and, like, it's just it's all a rap beef. And Kendrick was like, absolutely not. You know? And you can feel it you could feel it in the in this song in particular because, again, I think, you know, there's there's Nipsey, but there's a slew of rappers who have just died in the last, you know, three to four years because of

58:45Jordan: bullshit, but, like, but street shit. You know what I mean? Like, people are like, you know, somebody said something about somebody, you know, and they had people put money on their head, and it got to that point. And so, you know, I think Kendrick is very cognizant of that, specifically being from the West Coast and knowing, like, you know, if if that's where this is gonna get to, like, I absolutely have people too. So, like It's

59:09Cameron: always been it's not a game for him. It's always been like, hey. You talk about that? We're do our research. I'm coming to find you.

59:18KT: But I think it's also god got me. Right? Right.

59:22Jordan: I think it's also about his his reaffirmation about, like, you know, I know the position I hold, you know, in the game and in the industry. Right? And, like, you know, there's certainly levels to things, but, like, looking around and seeing just how things are going in rap and, like, certainly some of the direction that Drake was taking things, but even more so, like, just the integrity. Right? Like, standing on something and for something. Mhmm. Right. Like, I think this was his kinda, like, setting the tone of, like,

59:56Jordan: is is everything that comes after this, like, this is the bar. Right? You gotta reach this. And so Right. You know, him talking about, you know, you can whack out the murals, but, like, I'm I'm basically the living mural. Right? And then legend till my legend ends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. So, you know, just like mission statement off top of, like, what this album is gonna be, but, like, what how he's thinking and moving in the future.

60:22Countryboi: Yeah. I think it's a very, very Kendrick song. It almost feels like a song that only he could, like, sonically pull off. Mhmm. Because when, know, when you when you hear it because he has this he has this this way that he raps that is very almost

60:40Countryboi: like as opposed to Squabble Up where he almost blitzes you with information and thoughts and ideas and lines and bars. And sometimes you have to just go read the lyrics and go, what was he doing? What are we talking about here? Oh. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. As opposed to, you know, like TV Off, which is pretty very simplistic. So this this song very much was a mission statement and a and a this is where we are. This is how I feel about this. Put all my cards out on the table.

61:13Countryboi: You know, this is where we're going from here. Alright. Everybody have a party. Like, y'all have a good time. In the in the first track, he was judge, jury, executioner. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And then after that, it was a celebration. It's a celebration. Yeah.

61:28Jordan: Some some songs were like Man Man at the Garden and

61:32Cameron: Yeah. Man at the Garden. Some songs were. It was celebration, but

61:35Jordan: But that that's like I don't know. Feel like I'm on the field. You know, like I made it celebration, you know, like by myself.

61:42Cameron: I feel like this is like, you know, him just doing donuts in the middle of the street, you know? Like, Wacced Out Murals kinda feels like we already celebrated, we already popped champagne, you know? This is us, like, doing doughnuts on your grave now with the information, you know? With setting the stage, you know? Hey, we did all that, Let's really talk about it now. Let's really go and talk about it now. You know? It it kinda This is this is victory it's definitely a victory lap.

62:12Cameron: It is. But it's, like, not the expected way to go about it. You know what I mean? Because we all expected, like, if Not Like Us was, like, the fireworks. We was, alright. Are there more fireworks?

62:22KT: Mhmm. But instead Is this a Las Vegas, like, show with everything, like a residency with all the bells and whistles? But Andre said Andre, you were talking about how the impact of this and, I guess, the way that it was introed into this as well. I think when it comes to it's kind of like an acoustic version, but for hip hop, like, can't hide behind anything. It's all gonna be there. And when you talk about the hit, like, it would've and you know how

62:55KT: Drake or even Jermaine would've twisted them, oh, look at me. I feel sorry for me. Like, I think Kendrick's like like, this is just the bullshit. Like Jordan says, like, this is just the bullshit that happens, but I'm going to let you know that this happened. Right? Yeah. He doesn't make it a pity party, but he's like, this is what it is. I'm going to get into it. There's a bit a particular line here. I will rep Oti for a second. When we were listening to the first track, Wacced Out Murals,

63:22KT: they talked about this energy will make you move to Europe. And if the timing might be off, and I don't think we have a lot of time to talk about Skepta. Unfortunately, I had to I had to, like, advertise, extract him out of my dreams because that he's a very embarrassing man. It sucks. I don't know if you remember that in yeah. So I guess for context, friends and lovers, Skepta

63:44KT: on an interview, think with Ebro. I think I remember the Apple logo. Yeah. Shout out to Ebro. Shout out to everyone all the black journalism that's been going on as well. Anyway, back to this. But Skepta was talking about how, oh, you know, there's a bag for everyone, and it's like, shut up.

64:01Cameron: It's like, obviously, I'm gonna get that bag.

64:04Jordan: I'm like It's nothing to do with you. Not You're endorsements.

64:08KT: Like, you know, it didn't have to be like that. And it's like, you obviously don't know how to read the room. And because him and Drake are so close, I don't think he has a tattoo of Drake, but he has some sort of weird bro y thing with Drake. And it's like, I think that might be well, Oti said that might be an allusion

64:25KT: to you teaming up with, like, peeps in Europe. And it's like, you don't get this shit. Like, run off to Europe then if that's the case. So I don't know if we have time or if you guys wanna talk about that, but I just wanted to put that here.

64:37Countryboi: I I always thought I always say that Drake should just move to Bora Bora and shake and take some

64:42Countryboi: pops.

64:42KT: Forget about this. Take him somewhere else.

64:45Jordan: Well, he just wants to go to, like, Ibiza or someplace like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Him on the beeline. Shaking him. Yeah. Just put a little island.

64:52Countryboi: Put your feet in the sand. Take take pictures of your fake abs and

64:57Jordan: Yeah. I want that for him too. Just go somewhere.

65:01Cameron: In private. And be that. Yeah. And be that. But just don't be weird. Don't involve me. Not somewhere else. Go be weird somewhere else. It's just like you know what? It's weird because every time I see him on, like, his little livestreams or whatever and he's talking about, you know, Anita Max Wynn or whatever he wants to talk about, I'm just like, bro, who do you think wants this? Who do you think wants, like, there because if you're the rap god, if you're the rap dude, if you're the number one,

65:27Cameron: you gotta be talking about more than, like, drinking champagne with your bulldog by the pool. Like, bro, you have there's literally nothing going on.

65:36Jordan: Yeah. Well, he's he reached that part in his life that a bunch of uber rich celebrities reach where it's just like, I don't know. I don't know anything else. You know what I mean? I've been so disconnected from people for so long that, like, I'm not even quite sure how to interact with the normal human being anymore. And so, like, I

65:57Countryboi: I've been with someone that I don't know what normal is.

66:00Cameron: Yeah. But I'm not you know, I'm not saying for him to go away after this beef, but I need him to, like Grow up? Grow up. Like, dude, a guy devoted an entire, like, pop what what?

66:14Jordan: Cameron, he made a song that is the most creepy uncle song. Give me a hug. I mean, he's just like, I'm in the strip club. He's not. Give me a hug. Yeah. You know? But that's a special that's the thing. That's Where's my hug at?

66:28Andre: Where's my hug at? He gave him a theme.

66:31Cameron: That's

66:33Cameron: what I'm saying. That's gave the passport bros a theme.

66:35Jordan: He can't distance himself away from that because that's just who he is. So, like, maybe when he was, like, the cute, you know, like, 24 year old kid who you know, he made it, like, give me a, girl. You know? Like, I'm being kinda cute and innocent about it. Right? But now it's just like, ew. You're Give me a, know, I'm a child.

66:58KT: Drake's that guy where I, like, I side so he doesn't get any boob. Like Yeah. It's like, no. You're not trying to see you. Church hug, that the booty out church hug. Yeah. Yeah. The booty out of way. Nary a side boob on you, sir. Nary a side.

67:13Countryboi: Armhole. No boobics for you. I talked wow. What was it? It was a is it Touré? Touré? Touré? Anyway. Yeah. Touré. Yeah. He used to be on MTV. Now he's on TikTok a lot. He talked about the stages of artists and they would say that you create new music, you know, before you're 30. And then once you hit your thirties and then you hit 40, you start touring on the music that you made in your thirties. This is where Drake is. Drake is 39, almost 40, and he's in this transitional period where

67:45Countryboi: he makes pop music for kids that are, what, half his age? And, like, this transitional period, what do you do now? Where do you go where do you go from here? Where is your I'm on tour? Where's your Frankie Beverly Maze where I start going on tour? Where is this stage for you? Because you can't keep making this music. There's no could be Frankie Beverly Maze. He's the old man in the club now. Yeah. He's the guy in the club. Yeah.

68:13Jordan: Well, that's the thing. I feel like it's it's like you were saying, like, when when an artist has to start looking back at their career and trying to figure out, okay. You know, like, am I still operating at that peak level? You know? Am I still number one guy? And that's really, again, one of the stealth conversations about this whole beef was that, like, Drake very much felt that he was the best rapper, not the best artist. You know what I mean? But the best rapper.

68:47Jordan: And Kendrick took very much offense to that, not even just because he thought he was the best rapper, but because, like, you're not even a rapper. Know what I mean? Like, you're not don't a think he knows what that means. Yeah. You know, like, you very famously don't write your own raps. Like, we know this. You've admitted it. But he says, like, listening to Phonte. Like, that's crazy.

69:08Cameron: That's crazy. It is. That's like listening to Mos Def all your life and then wanting to sound like Uzi.

69:16Jordan: Yeah. Look. But that I mean, people forget about people forget about, the Solo (Reprise) with André 3000 where he's talking about, oh, I didn't know that we don't have to write our own raps anymore. You know? I wouldn't have tried so hard if that if I knew that was the case.

69:32Cameron: You know? That song makes me so sad.

69:37Jordan: But that's the thing. It's just like Kendrick comes from that school of you know, this is a this is a art. This is a sport. This is not, you know, just like you come in, you do the songs, or ranking you based on how many number one hits and plaques you have. Like, this is like, can you rap for real? And Yeah. Right. Thought thought he could. But,

69:58Jordan: you know, like, the more that we kinda see of it, if he's trying to go back to that original sound like we're talking about, he doesn't really have much landscape there anymore. Like, he kinda completely tried to separate himself from that world, but, like, he's a much more successful pop artist than he is a rapper. Right? But I think that's the problem. He like, he's such a he's like,

70:19KT: he just has so many people in his ear. Like, no one loves him. Like, even, like, what Countryboi was saying, like, you don't move like that. And, like, who would even

70:30Countryboi: like, why isn't anyone pulling you by a collar and being like, this is not hate Yeah. This is embarrassing enough now. I wish you got a problem. It's been that we just you've you've been rich so long. You've been successful so long that you think that everything I do, I should be successful at. And he surround you with people who just wanna ride your coattails of that success and they don't wanna tell you that this is stupid

70:54Countryboi: because they don't want they don't wanna alienate themselves. So they you surround yourself with people that only gonna tell you this is a great idea Drake.

71:14KT: Is that okay? No. Keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How Yeah. Did we feel about Squabble Up? It was the first music video. I think it's the only till now. Yeah. Music video for GNX. How did we feel about it? I was losing my shit a bit because we literally started off with the Reincarnated, I was stargazing. Because I think we also Reincarnated as a track. Right? Yeah. Yeah. The fact that we had that as a cute little surprise. Like,

71:55KT: how how are we all feeling about

71:55Countryboi: I I think it's different. It was a great change from especially going from Wacced Out Murals, which is a, you know, very like we were saying, it's a it's a it was a serious track. It's like, hey. Hey. This is this is where we are. And then Squabble Up feels like like I said, like, kinda like a party. You know? You come in and it's it feels like a party. It kinda reminds me of, like, those Lil Jon

72:24Countryboi: songs where you would be in the club and they would be, like, ready to fight. You know what I'm saying? Like, those songs Tear the club up. Knuck if you buck. Yep. Like, knuck if you buck. Tear the club up. You don't give a damn, we don't give a fuck. Mhmm. That kind of stuff. Yeah. That kind of stuff. And Squabble Up feels like right at home with those kind of songs. And you play this in the club, you see that dude you don't like, and now you know what? I might hit him with a chair.

72:53Andre: Let's set it off right.

72:54Countryboi: Yeah. It off right. It's a it's a very I love it. I love it. It's probably

73:00Countryboi: my favorite track or

73:00KT: Oh, we're getting into favorite tracks already at number two. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

73:06Andre: It was a special it was a special song because it felt like, were we gonna get that snippet as a full song for a while? And then once you heard it, you're like, oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was Scott. And it yeah. Yeah. It's like hearing it and hearing all he's saying, and it's like, even in the video, he's just like nonchalant. Like, yep. This is it.

73:26Jordan: Here you go.

73:29Cameron: I love that though about it. I love it that he's just like, hey, dog. That's what I got. And it's just like some of the best music he's created. Don't think I even noticed that because he's been doing that from N95.

73:41KT: So I don't think I even noticed that he was doing because until people were saying it, I was like, oh, actually, yeah, he looks like he could be doing something else.

73:49Jordan: Yeah. Yeah.

73:52Countryboi: I think I think in that sonically, it doesn't really fit with Mr. Morale. It's probably the best song on that album on a band album. I I love it. Take it off. Was kinda like well,

74:02Cameron: you know, you I've been listening to albums just as a, you know, way of listening to music for a long, long time. And I always feel like there's, like, sometimes, somebody, like, you know, the album will sound like this, but then here's the standout track that sounds like nothing else on the record. And I think Squabble Up is is that in a weird way, even though it's, like, got the same braggadocio and the same, like, you know, hip hop bonafides as, like, the rest of the record.

74:33Cameron: But it just feels kinda like it's sitting on this island all by itself. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas I just feel like that songs feel like a whole.

74:43Countryboi: Like, make that a different time, a different space. I was in a different head space when I made Right. This When I made this track.

74:50Jordan: Right. Right. Well, it could And also Based on the oh, I was just gonna say based on the timing, mean, because it came out with the Not Like Us video. Like, I mean, this could have been a song he made. This could have been the first song that he made after

75:02Jordan: Yeah. You know, and then Yeah. You know, kinda kept moving into stuff. Cameron, go ahead.

75:02Cameron: Yeah. I just wanted to also quickly shout out the, like, direct homage to the Roots' Next Movement video

75:13Cameron: because, like

75:13KT: Yeah. We have time to talk about Questlove?

75:17Jordan: I would love to talk about love to just asking. I'm just asking. If anyone thinks it was, like, a a slight This is a direct shot. No. This is a slight. That was a that was a full on. This direct.

75:28Jordan: Again. I'm doing you. And it's interesting because Questlove saw it was like, you know, I I'm always, you know, so astonished when artists, you know, pay homage to the Roots or, like, you know, celebrate us or whatever. And I was like Yep. I don't think you know what this is. I think maybe you forgot that you said that thing, or you're trying to act like you didn't say that thing.

75:50Cameron: Yes. That part. That part. You're trying to act

75:52Jordan: much we we have learned he does not forget things. Yeah. He he sees everything. Down. Yeah. So I don't think he, a, missed the thing that you said, and I don't think he let it go. Because No. This whole album was basically GNX, aka I Don't Let Shit Go. So

76:11Cameron: The record. The record. Like, I don't let shit go, the album.

76:17Jordan: Right. So I think this was very much him saying, like, not even, like,

76:22Jordan: you know, fuck Questlove because I don't think it's that serious, but I think it's like

76:22KT: Yeah. No. I don't think it's It's just interesting seeing the way people move now, Whether it's for a check, whether it's to stay within popular opinion or stay in networks, you know, with powerful people. It's interesting to see the way people talk and the way people move. This has nothing to do with anything, but we recently watched Bamboozled. And Mhmm. Questlove, the Roots were in blackface as well. And I was like, oh, okay.

76:51Jordan: Alright. Yeah. Yeah.

76:53Cameron: That well, that that whole movie is, like, trying to be, like, real. Well, isn't that that's what the that Yeah. Sad. That's the satire. It's, like, the bold satire of, like, this is real hip hop. This is real. Even, like, you know, the TV show itself in that movie is, like, this is the real TV show. This is the real stuff. What they're they're always shot they're flitting between what's, you know, true about themselves and then, like, what are we doing for profit, for popularity?

77:22Cameron: What does that mean about us? You know, they're flitting between those two zones. And, I mean, it's not too far. It's, you know, it's not too far from the same argument, but it's definitely, like I mean, the Roots were always, like, that band that was straddling the line between, like, we are the underground dudes that made Do You Want More, and we're also, like, we'll make

77:46Cameron: a pop song on Phrenology, or we'll make the pop song on Things Fall Apart, You Got Me. Like, the lead single on that record is a pop song, straight up. Like, that's that's where they exist. And I feel like Kendrick is kinda toeing that same line too. You know, you're playing the Super Bowl, you're also, like, all most of your tracks are, like, for people like us who wanna rip them apart and and talk about the double entendres.

78:13Jordan: Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, mean, I feel like he's in still a mainstream

78:18Cameron: Yeah. He's still a mainstream artist. Kendrick Lamar is the most mainstream artist even though he's the nigga, like, doing push ups at the park. You know, and directing the Disney remake of The Aristocats. Like, nigga, we see you. Okay? You know what you are. We know who you are. Respect them. Never get on your ass, but somebody gotta do it. Right. Right. You know?

78:53Countryboi: Right. Squabble Up. But shout out to the to the Roots. I still love the Roots, especially Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Always love the Roots. Always love the Roots. It's a cultural And also, you know, before we before we change, when I was shouting out North Carolina North Carolina bands, I don't know how I forgot our Little Brother, but, I mean, of course, Little Brother. Of course. That's the guys. Yeah. Yeah. Well And

79:11Jordan: one last thing about Squabble Up, like, because we heard the snippet so many times. Right? So, like Yeah. You know, it's the it's the introduction to the song, and it's just kinda like but when the when the actual sample and the beat drops, they're like, oh, okay. Yeah. The house is jumping. Once the beat drops on that song, everybody's

79:29Jordan: like, let's go. Let's go. You know?

79:29Countryboi: If if if I could crip walk, I would I would start crip walk. Yep. Yeah. I wish I wish I could crip walk. Wish I could. Like, listening to kindergarten will make you wish you could crip walk. Just a little bit. Yeah. It make me wanna be in a West Coast gang. I wish for real. Right. Right.

79:46Jordan: You can still play San Andreas cam camera. Y'all gotta go. There you Apparently

79:52KT: apparently apparently, GTA is saying they're going to have a GNX radio station. I don't play it, but I'm assuming when you're in a car, you can play different radio stations. Yeah. So they're gonna have a GNX one apparently. Is he dope?

80:06Cameron: My wife will be dope.

80:08Countryboi: GTA five? What are Five? Or six? GTA five. I'm Well, five now. We're on five. It's been it's been, like, fifteen years. Like, need you to move on. And I remember letting her play, and she was like I was like, you can just steal any car you want. And she stole the car, and then she felt bad. And she, like, gave it back to him. It's like, you know this is the game. Right? No. You know the title of it?

80:29KT: I mean Yeah. I'll I'll start a stream where I start playing GTA, play the GNX radio station, and I'll sing that song from Bamboozled. I'll smacking my hose. Yeah. I'm assuming that's what GTA is all about, friends. That's it. Yeah. The game. I guess yeah. Just quickly on Squabble Up. I think maybe it's kind of in the same vein of Not Like Us where you don't even need to listen to what Kendrick's saying. The beat is going to carry you even if you're not paying attention to it. To know nothing,

81:05KT: and you can just kinda just wow. You know what I mean? But then even if you listen to the lyrics of it, there were wolf tickets on sale till I silence it. I don't know if it's about Drake's shirt not getting tickets, but Brody won't go over to popping it. Like, there's so much that he's saying, and it's coming for your head as well.

81:21KT: That just makes it so great, which I think is probably in this a similar sort of vein to Not Like Us, at least, in my opinion. So we've got Countryboi's favorite track. We're right at the top of the album. And then we get into Luther. I didn't know we were going to get, first off, like, eighties R and B. And second off, I don't know what it was. Maybe it just caught me at a very emotional time. But hearing Luther's voice,

81:45KT: I was like, I was not I was not ready. Because I was like, Martin Luther King. Yeah. It

81:52Cameron: makes it that's exactly it. Well, also, the the doc the documentary just dropped. I don't know Yep. If it dropped down there on Max as well. But the kinda, like, encompassing Luther Vandross documentary Never Too Much just came out recently, and there's kinda been this, like, wave of rediscovery for him, which, I mean, I never fell off of it. Like, the first time I heard it to the last time I heard it, it's always been in rotation. You know what I'm saying? Mhmm. So and also also his earlier records

82:22Cameron: before he went kinda big are being re released. So there's, like, this there's a lot of Luther conversation right now, and this kinda felt like tip of the iceberg. Like, damn. Like, we got SZA and Kendrick on their best song together kinda, like, re giving that energy of Luther and Cheryl Lynn. It's like, wow. What is this? This is that's when you're playing with, like, the next level. That's when you're like, oh Mhmm. What if we do this, but we did it our way, you know? And it happens to be their best song.

82:55Jordan: Well, it's it's interesting too because this this song also got into just larger cultural conversations where there are a number of white critics and reviewers online who are like, oh, yeah. Luther's a skip. And black people are like,

83:11Cameron: what? What are you actively talking to? What are you what are you saying?

83:15KT: What's that? Smatch it out of their hands. I mean, like, up to you.

83:18Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. You don't get to have this one then. Fine. We'll take another

83:23Jordan: that's another for the culture thing, though. Right? Like, Kendrick knows, like, how these things move and what they mean to people. Right? And so, like Mhmm. You know, direct Luther reference, you know, he had the Al Green reference, in 6:16. And he also had it in Family Ties, Al Green offspring, guns of the melodies. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, like Yep. He's he's bringing in all of this this cultural stuff that I think people and specifically, like, West Coast. Right? Like, again, like, Luther is another very, like, heavy household name. Like,

83:56Jordan: every black family had at least one Luther album, if not two. So, like, he's continuing to connect with that. But also, like you were saying, Cameron, like, you know, for him and SZA, I think there's a it's a it's a double shot, right, because it's like SZA and Drake's connection. Right? SZA has been put in some very compromising

84:21Jordan: positions. I don't know if you saw the Hot Ones with her and Issa Rae. I love it for her. Yes. They're hand pressed to her. She's handling it well. She's handling it well. She's just like, you know, I would rather not speak about that. Yeah. And, you know, it's it's partially, like, embarrassed ex

84:39Cameron: energy just like, you know Not even partially. I would say 100%. Yeah. Yeah. That Hot Ones just looking at Issa like, why you made me talk about this nigga? I don't wanna talk about him. I don't wanna talk about him. Next question. She's literally looking at him like that look looking at her like that.

84:55Jordan: You know? So it's like having that that feature again. You know? SZA got you wiped down, and now we're going on tour together. But then, also, again, like, the the TDE, you know, which we'll get to later with, you know, Heart Part 6. But, like, you know, the idea that, like, Kendrick abandoned TDE or, like, he's not, you know, cool with any of those people anymore, then they're in the Not Like Us video, then they're at the Pop Out. Now, you know, you've got, you know, multiple TDE references there where it's just like,

85:24Jordan: you know, I I I'm loyal to the people that I came up with. You know? And, like, SZA is part of my family. And, like, it's not any kind of situation where, like, I'm either trying to make her choose sides or anything like that. It's just like we Not not Rockefeller. Rockefeller.

85:41Cameron: Yeah.

85:43Jordan: You know, and it's just like this is this is because, you know, I treat people like people and friends, and you treat most people like a business or like Or an

85:53Countryboi: or a commodity for them as opposed to Yeah.

85:57Jordan: Andre's thoughts on Luther?

85:57Andre: Oh,

86:00Andre: loved it. I think it was head on the head how, like, every black household has a Luther album. And hearing just hearing that voice and then hearing how they how they just approached it, it didn't feel like at one point, I was like, this don't feel like it belongs on the album because I'm like, I'm here to squabble up. And then It was literally right after. What a choice. Right? Yeah. And to have that this almost like it kinda reminds me of, like, Kingdom Hearts in a weird way,

86:34Andre: where it's like you have, like, this beautiful song and it's like it helps. It's it brings back to the Kendrick being an artist. Like, he can he can do it. If he puts his mind to it, he could do it. Like, he I don't think he's it kinda reminds me of All the Stars, but it also has this approach where it's like, I haven't heard Kendrick

86:53Andre: do it like this before. And Mhmm. Even though he's kinda it's kind of has this soft song. He's like, yeah. I'm a I want to take your enemies and put them in front of God. Like, it sounds soft. But remember, I'm still I'm still edgy. I'll still cut you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm

87:09Andre: still

87:09Countryboi: Yeah.

87:10KT: It

87:12KT: was kind of like Countryboi was saying how rap and hip hop is very hyper masculine. And no one agreed with me, but I know I'm correct because in the Harper's Bazaar interview, where SZA interviewed Kendrick, they talked about Kendrick tapping into his femininity and that softness of these are the things creatively that he couldn't do when he first started his career about being to express himself in a different way. And that's absolute yep.

87:38KT: No. Go ahead. Go ahead. Look. But but that's absolutely what Luther is. Like, there is a tender side, and there should be a tender side to men if you're nasty. But there should be a tender side to men, and that's what Luther is. Right? There's a duality

87:54KT: of men.

87:54Cameron: Yeah. And there needs be I think that's why it's called I think that's why the track is named that. In direct reference to a person who, you know, made these hits, but, you know, that sensitivity was able to permeate the entire culture.

88:08Countryboi: Because that's all He had some dualities. We hold self. We hold them high like that.

88:14KT: Yeah. It's one of my favorites. I I don't know if I had a favorite at this time. I don't think anyone said that this is their favorite. But I think we all appreciate the R and B influence as well that was in GNX. Right? Most certainly. That's why you pull over to your side with your little lover, you know? You just, like, take a little break in your GNX while you're playing And then we come to Man at the Garden. I don't know if you guys checked out the Timothée Chalamet interview.

88:42KT: And it is kinda funny watching Elliott Wilson. I wouldn't say crash out, but he did have some feelings about interviews that, like, podcasters are getting and potentially he might not be getting. So it's yeah. Aw. Poor Elliott. Yeah. Poor you. You're, like, the most powerful, but anyway, in the scene. But Timothée Chalamet with Kendrick and a GNX. I think it was, like, three minutes, and then they had, like, a outtake sort of interview. But Kendrick talked about how and I forgot who it was, but someone mentioned,

89:12KT: you know, it feels like every time there's an album, this is a track that stands out. Kendrick said Man at the Garden was that for him. Like, whenever he I think Kush & Corinthians for Section.80, like, he makes songs and the there's one particular where he's like, this one's for me. I'm just gonna put it in there, and it's the one that I want you to get the most out of.

89:32KT: Man at the Garden was this track, and he said that he's at a point now where he can put that track that they would usually say to put at the bottom of the album, he put it forth because he has the autonomy and the creative control to do that. You know, ownership, the IP, the blueprint is by me. Like, it's so important to earn your masters essentially, right, creatively. That's one of the big things that we talk about. Because at the end of the day, Drake's a disgruntled employee

90:00KT: Like, you don't own shit. So Yeah. So even me. No. Exactly. And it was a DJ Khaled saying he has, like, a Drake feature, and Drake's like, absolutely. I was like, you don't even get a choice, bro. Like, you created that on company time. I remember.

90:15Countryboi: What did what did Jay what did Jay did Jay pull that on Nas when they were beefing? And he was like, you made it a hot line. I made it a hot song, but I didn't even have to do I played I played I paid what? Something something publishing. Serchlite Publishing. Yeah. Serchlite Publishing. Like, bro, you had no Countryboi got the juice now. Yeah. Everybody getting murked. Everybody getting they getting their plugs pulled.

90:35KT: He was talking about indiscernible shit. Yeah.

90:38Jordan: But I mean, that goes back to again, you know, you signed to a nigga that signed to a nigga that said he was signed to that nigga. You know what I mean? Like, you know, he's trying to he's trying to pull it on Kendrick, but it's like your the reason that you signed that $200,000,000 deal, you know, was because you know that, like, that money's drying up, and you ain't getting, you know, all the all the all the stuff that you were getting before. Even, like you know, it's not even that,

91:09Jordan: you know, the numbers for Drake necessarily fell off, but, like Mhmm. He had put himself in that position where he's competing with Beyoncé, he's competing with Taylor Swift. He's competing with all of these people. So, like, their numbers are still going up. Yeah. He can't reach those those heights, those peaks. So, like, you know, he was like, I'm a take the safe bet and just take this, you know, guaranteed money. And now I'm trying to get out of this contract because

91:37Jordan: I realized that, you know, like, I'm I'm I'm kinda reaching the end here, maybe I should try to own some stuff. But it's like, it's too late, buddy. Like, you

91:37KT: Too late, bro. So much seriously gets tied up. He should've done it when he was, like, hot hot. Like, I don't think now's the time to do it. Countryboi will sign your NDAs as well. Did you wanna finish what your thoughts?

91:37Cameron: I don't even remember what my thought was anymore. I'm so Oh, okay. I see. I see what doing. Even though I'm not like, if we're still talking about the album,

92:18Cameron: mic reference? Yeah. Your One Mic. There you go. That's your No. And I did. I was like, oh, that's not no. Skip. Skip. Wow. Yo. Because that was the thing that got me. I was listening to that shit, like, on the train home from work. Was like, oh, he doing Nas One Mic? Yeah. No. Like, it's like, ever like, every new track had something like, damn, he's doing this. Oh, shit. You know? You never let Nas down. So it was good.

92:42Jordan: Hey. Hey. Well, you're you're a LeBron at the club. Rapping it to himself while he holds the the bottle. It's like, yeah. I think he's saying he doesn't know the lyrics to anything, but he knows everything He doesn't. Of man at the oven. And a copy of The Autobiography of Malcolm X. Open to page three.

92:59Cameron: Yeah. The table contents. Of contents. Yeah. What you reading now? Show me where you throw that. Table of contents. Yes.

93:07KT: Full of content, man. We can we can keep we can keep the tantalizing because I actually don't know how everyone feels about the Super Bowl, so we'll come to that. But it's interesting that you would say Man at the Garden was skippable because to me, when I think of I think of To Pimp a Butterfly, and I think it was Rob Markman that had an interview when he was at MTV

93:26KT: with Kendrick. And they were talking about the album, and Kendrick talks about which you kind of see in the Super Bowl, we'll come to that. But, like, how Kendrick had all of this success and he was bringing all of his boys on tour, like, all around the world, but then you come back to the life. Right? And he was grappling with what that means. Right? Right. Is he selling out? Is he using it is who he is, but is he using who he is as a way to gain commercial?

93:52KT: So when when when we have a track like Man at the Garden, when he starts to say I deserve it all, I felt it on that level of like Yeah. Yes, Kendrick is like, he'll brag about stuff, but he's not known for being braggadocious.

94:05KT: You know what I mean? So for him to say I actually deserve not just the good stuff, but like the Jets. I I I deserve all of that. I feel like it hit on a different layer. Andre, I don't know if you've shared your thoughts of Man at the Garden so far.

94:05Andre: I like the the approach to it. It was very,

94:22Andre: like, what? Reflective? Like, you know, I put in all this work. Kid, M.A.A.D City is deemed a classic. To Pimp a Butterfly is five out of five. We know what I did with DAMN. and Mr. Morale is picking up steam. But yeah, I do. I did do this. I did. This is mine. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Like, I like that he was able to just sit back and be like, all the good stuff that's happened to me, I earned it. Yeah. I worked for this and anybody who's trying to say otherwise,

94:57Andre: and I know what kind of work I put in, I don't think you did it like me. So for you to sit there and say, oh, you're the best or or you're the greatest at this, it's like, prove it. Let's not just run away from the beef. Let's not just apologize. Right. J fold? I feel like in in my heart of hearts in my heart of hearts, I feel like this is a J. Cole diss.

95:19KT: Ouch. Port Antonio or just generally?

95:21Andre: That just internally. Like, I feel like this is my tinfoil hat moment. I feel like this is him saying, I deserve it all. Not you. It's

95:31Jordan: interesting too because I think there's there's been the constant arguments from the Drake bots out there that, like, oh, Kendrick isn't successful. Like, Kendrick, you know, he didn't have a number one without Drake. And, like, you know, he he's not even in the category of, like, any of these other rappers. And, you know, there's a lot of, again, Wacced Out Murals kind of type energy where people are trying to either discredit or downplay not just his impact, but, like, his act his literal actual success. You know what I mean? Like, not just,

96:05Jordan: you know, the the Kendrick just opened his mouth, give him a Grammy, you know, which came back to haunt him five times. But, like, even that kinda kinda mocking energy of, oh, you know, they just give him things. Like, they just you know, they like him. Yeah. Doesn't earn anything. Yeah. Yeah. He he tries to rap about, you know, conscious stuff and, you know, whatever. So, like, they they put him up in the spotlight, but not me because I rap about

96:29Jordan: the cocktail waitress I got pregnant, who won't call me back, or, you know, whatever. Traekes Deeper. Who this album is about. So it's like Yeah. Cool story. But, again, this yeah. This is this is him like you guys were saying, like, he's never really openly know, you he's bragged, the typical rapper braggadocia, but, like, I I don't think it's really been since the Control verse where he's been so, like, this shit is mine.

97:01Jordan: You you know? And, like, whoever Yeah. Whoever wants to dispute that, you know, you can come see me, but, like, now nobody wants to have that conversation with anymore because I think Yeah. Everybody's inside. But

97:16KT: Yeah. Absolutely. Let's get into Hey Now. I don't think anyone said they had a favorite track so far. Right? Hey. I don't know. Are we are we here? Yeah. Countryboi. Do we have a Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean I mean, aside from Countryboi, sorry. Oh, okay. And he's so far, Hey Now. How do we feel? I I really loved Hey Now. Can I just say, Woody says, damn, baby? I was like, Kendrick, please. Whitney's in the room. What are you doing? But I think it's it's interesting because he has these, like

97:49KT: I don't even know if you wanna say sexy, but he has these sort of vibes, but he's, like, blinking and, like like, lyrically, there's, like, a whole mixture of stuff. There are so many, like, quotables. Like, I still say, what the fuck you're wearing, bro, was tacky? What the that's Where where

98:07Cameron: I love that part.

98:10KT: And I think no. Is this the first collab we have? Because I have done Outside of Outside of SZA. Sorry. How do we feel about Hey Now? Was that kind of just melting into the background? Do we feel a way about it?

98:25Andre: Nah. This is this stands up with Squabble Up for me. Like, Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Away, sir. I loved it. It was it was one of those songs where it's like, this is so West Coast. Yeah. It didn't feel like at times, I was like, I I like, I've heard a a majority of Kendrick's work and I'm like, this is what up there with Squabble Up, this is like one of the most West Coast sounds he's ever been on where he's just like he's floating. Like, it's one of those tracks where

98:58Andre: you want the speakers to blow out. Yeah. It's that good. You want everybody to

98:58Countryboi: It was produced by Mustard. Of course, was produced by Mustard. Yeah. Yeah.

99:06Jordan: Yeah. Well, it's it's it's interesting too because I think when, you know, people were talking about the, you know, guest appearances, and I think people were kinda thinking, you know, what what's the typical guest verse that Kendrick is gonna get? You know? Like, whether they're expecting some kind of Black Hippy, you know, reunion or,

99:32Jordan: you know, just have bringing in different kind of West Coast, like, the top of the top rappers from the West. It was like, I'm reaching to the streets, to the people that I know. It's, again, very representative of the Pop Out where, like,

99:45Jordan: when you watch the Pop Out, everybody in LA knew who those acts were when they came out. Right. Because they were like, oh, it's, you know, sus and chess. Like, I know the you know? But they were rapping the the songs. It wasn't like, oh, it's, you know, so and so from up the block who, you know, maybe, like, you know, four or five cousins are here and, like, let's give them a hand. It was like, no. This is

100:07Jordan: the next generation of the West Coast that, you know, he's he's trying to put forward. And I think Yeah. It's interesting here, you know, that he's, again, reaching towards a lot of the Latino rappers in LA who I think definitely have a huge following, but just for a more national audience, like, we don't hear that music. You know what I mean? Like, we hear the most we get that a sound that kinda permeates a specific area is, like, you'll get a lot of drill inspired music.

100:37Jordan: Yeah. You know? And so, like, you know, Chicago drill was the last thing that kinda, like, reached out and kinda touched a lot of different places. But for, you know, that that specifically Mexican LA rap, like, that's something that is

100:51Jordan: it has a tradition, but it's starting to really have, like, a big moment and, like Mhmm. Not a lot of people are tuning into it just because it's such a very LA thing. So a lot, like, for him to Yeah. Very consciously say, these are these are the people that I want on this album. You know what mean? And, like, it's it was reminiscent of the Black Panther album, where it was like, these are all, you know, the groups from around the way in LA. You don't know any of these people,

101:14Jordan: but here's a big look for them. Yeah. You know?

101:14KT: Right. But you don't need to know. Even the Black Panther album. Right? Ken just wanna do what he's gonna do. Yeah. He's gonna do whatever he wants to.

101:14Countryboi: Yeah. I think ScHoolboy

101:25Countryboi: alluded to something similar to that. I I have to Blank Face putting the young the young guys on, the the the people in LA that you've never heard of. And I I kinda feel like because, you know, they don't talk about the connection between Kendrick and ScHoolboy, but, like, before he was a rapper, he was like his hype man. Like Yeah. Those those two those two were tight. And

101:47Countryboi: I I I do kinda see a little bit of his the influence of ScHoolboy kinda rubbing off on Kendrick and vice versa. Mhmm. I think it I think it's mellowed out ScHoolboy a lot. Like, I can kinda see, you know, especially on, like, you know, Blue Blue Lips. Blue Lips. Yeah. A lot of yeah. Blue Lips was very a very mellow mellow mellow chill album.

102:08KT: I was not familiar with this game, but I see ScHoolboy Q now. Can I just say? I see him. I mean,

102:15Countryboi: if you know if you if you wanted some magnum opus, Blank Face is great. That's the one. Perfect. That's the one. Yeah. Faces.

102:23KT: I I don't know if anyone has any favorite lines on this, but this is where he says, the black Noah, I'm a strangle me a goat.

102:32Cameron: That raised eyebrows for sure. Yeah. I love it. I mean, every track got one line that's like, what? Who? Yes. Who is the hook? We're still on it. We're still on it. We're still on his head. We're still on that time. You know? Yeah. And I think he also

102:47KT: I'm way too important to let you slide on me again. I think that was also Hey Now. Hey. Starting to see spaceships on Rosecrans, you know. I see the aliens holding hands. Yeah. That might be one of my favorite moments on the album. That is a It's not It's a fay it's a faybo homage.

103:02Countryboi: Like, chill, faybo. Chill. Yep.

103:05KT: I the someone I don't think it was Zaydante, but someone did, like, a real talking about Kendrick doing, like, weird voices. And I commented on it, and I was like, your favorite Kendrick line and favorite Kendrick voice will, like, tell you what your personality is, and I like his weird voices. And someone was like, that means you're weird. And I'm like, yeah, bruv. Get out of my comments. Like,

103:30KT: with that like, the aliens holding hands and the spaceships on Rosecrans, like, I just and even the way he, like, says it is, like, so funny to me.

103:41Cameron: No. It it feels like the the track is, like, elevating in that moment, you know? It it's not my favorite track, but it's definitely one of my favorite moments on the album where it's like even if it's like a just a chill kinda, like, album track where we're just rapping, heartbeat, you know, whatever, we can still, like, slip away in a moment of, like, kind of, like, a a vivid visual moment. You know? Mhmm. Mhmm.

104:08KT: But even even that line and even the sentiment of the song, you know, like, people that are coming here that aren't about it, they wanna see me do my dance. Like They wanna see me do my dance. Right? Be of that dance. Let's talk about That Guy, Tyler, the Creator freestyle

104:22KT: to this beat, which I didn't think because Oh, yeah. I think at that point, we had probably played GNX a lot of times. So, obviously, you would hear Kendrick's voice. But the moment Tyler started rapping, I was like, I'm not saying this is his, but it might be his. Yeah. What are our thoughts I'm on That Guy? Wow.

104:41Countryboi: So I am not the biggest Tyler, the Creator fan.

104:46Cameron: I'm sorry for you, man. It's okay, though. Your ears are fine. No. Ears are fine. No. No. It's it's it's it's okay. So

104:54Countryboi: I appreciate his growth. I appreciate Tyler's growth. I remember that, you know, Odd Future and when you were trying to be weird and how you were shocked by the fact that no one knew you for your rapping and knew you for the TV show. Like, you're that guy from the TV show and it shocked you into taking this shit seriously. And since you've taken it seriously, it's like, wow. You this is a lot better. Yet, it is still not for me. But this but but this shit here,

105:21Countryboi: this is fire.

105:21KT: You will never be the main guy. You a plus one.

105:25Cameron: Yeah. I feel like he established himself as a West Coast rapper with that freestyle, honestly. Because to associate himself even though, like, I know he got the Golf the Camp Flog Gnaw situation and, like, you know, Kendrick was there with

105:44Countryboi: a cousin. Cousin.

105:45Cameron: Baby Keem? Baby Keem. Yeah. Previously. So but I never felt like he was, like, repping until I heard that freestyle. I was like, oh, damn. Yeah. He he he just up there with the GOATs, and that's great. For me. For me. Yeah. Because I think he's I think he's grown in a way where before, there was, like, nothing redeemable somewhere in the music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it was hard to find it. It was really hard to find it. You even as a person who, like, likes Bastard,

106:15Cameron: I like that stuff. Like, I don't love Cherry Bomb, but I do like the the older stuff. It never felt geographically centered. Yeah. Even though Odd Future was West Coast, it never felt,

106:30Cameron: like of somewhere. It just felt like Yeah. We're in the weird niggas. You know? That's the weird niggas. Yeah. Yeah. Weird niggas. And I'm like, I'm cool with that. Be that. But like, you're I just feel like you're not grounded in a way. And like, I still feel like he never has been grounded until, like, these past couple years where it's just like, no. My sound comes from here. This is my sound. These are the people I associate with. This is, like, the lane I'm trying to be in. So yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because,

107:02Jordan: you know, we talk about Tyler as a West Coast artist. But, like, I mean, he's very much affiliated with like, Vince Staples was, like, opening for him, you know, like, way back when and, like Great album too. Yeah. Great album. Great album. There's a lot of people who I think we Yeah. Associate with the Like, well, that's the thing. Like, Vince has kind of, you know, been more prominently viewed as a West Coast artist, YG, obviously. And,

107:31Jordan: you know, even with the Odd Future, like, people don't necessarily think about, say, like, Earl Sweatshirt is like a West Coast rapper or, like Sure. Yeah. Any of those people. And so, but, like, Tyler was in the Hillbillies video with them. You know? Like, it's it's clear that he's very much in that scene. But I think it also just shows, like, the respect that people have for Kendrick. You know what I mean? Because, like, Kendrick is older

108:01Jordan: than, you know, a lot of these guys, but he also is very much a contemporary a lot of these guys. So it's not necessarily even like a a Snoop Dogg, like, situation where it's like, oh, like uncle Snoop, you know, who, like, you know, put a lot of things on for the West Coast. It's like, we're almost like

108:17Jordan: peers. You know what I mean? Like, Tyler and Kendrick, I don't think I've been rapping for, like, the exact same amount of time, but, like, they did come in the game too long after one another. So, like No. But

108:27KT: he had that line of the Pop Out, see the pandemonium, like, they brought Pac out.

108:33Jordan: Yeah.

108:34KT: And I feel like that's that's like him saluting, again, Kendrick, like I think they all recognize him. I'm the second in my city next to Kenny. Shout out to Chromakopia. That was a great that was a great album. Shout out to Oti. He was watching Dexter, the new Dexter show. Is it Original Sin or First Blood or something? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

108:57Cameron: I saw this. I saw this on the Internet that, like, they happen to I don't know if it's, like, tied in at all, but they shot some stuff for the Dexter series on a dock and, like, the Chromakopia shipping container was in the shot.

109:12Countryboi: Like, just thought I thought this was a a a FUBU on the Gap ad situation.

109:17Cameron: Hey, man. I mean, for real, you you would check for something like that. But they you know, the director of the fourth episode of the Dexter series is not thinking about, like, oh, is that Tyler, the Creator? Are people gonna get no. No. No. Yeah. I'm just trying to picture Michael C. Hall listening to

109:35Countryboi: Yeah. Right.

109:37Jordan: Yeah. But I think that's the thing. Like, Tyler Tyler very much, like, sees Kendrick as I don't know. Like, he's got a he's got a very interesting reputation on the West Coast because I think a lot of those guys do kinda look at him with a bit of awe of, like, woah. Like, you know, Kendrick is almost like, you know, very much like a living legend. Yeah. Like You know? But, like But he's like a living OG. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he's also,

110:09Jordan: at least, you know, the way that people talk about him, like, not just like a regular dude, but, like, a very, like, LA dude. Like, he represents them, you know, in almost every way. And, like, I feel like there's a there's just a real, like, we're we will protect Kendrick at all costs, you know, mentality amongst a lot of people, which, again, like, speaks to all of those people together on stage at the Pop Out. And so it's not surprising that Tyler would be like,

110:38Jordan: yes. Either let's let's kinda keep spreading this around because I feel like, you know, they've it's interesting that they haven't been on the song together just because, like, the whole all of the, you know, both camps, TDE and the Odd Future camp, it kinda, like, circled each other in a lot of ways, like, featured on each other's works and albums. Yeah. And that's just the one connection that hasn't happened yet, but I'm sure

111:05Jordan: that's on the horizon.

111:05Countryboi: It has to. Right? Like, at some point?

111:09Cameron: Mhmm. But it Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I can't wait.

111:09KT: In Chromakopia,

111:13KT: I Thought I Was Dead. And everyone's like, is ScHoolboy Q on this? And I don't know why they do that now. Like, when they do albums, GNX, Chromakopia as well, they won't tell you who the feature is until, like, a day later. And I feel like that's on purpose. Yeah. Feel like that's on purpose because why would they not upload it? But everyone's like, this feels like ScHoolboy Q. Where's ScHoolboy Q? And then it got, like, updated

111:37KT: after it as well. Do you guys mind that we're on track six and we're like almost to two hours? Are you guys okay with that? This is

111:43Countryboi: this is pretty much basically what I expected.

111:46KT: I thought so too, but I I'm like, I don't wanna stop because it's kinda great. But if you guys have to go, let me know and then we can get your thoughts on the Super Bowl. But I I'm just gonna go to Reincarnated. I think this is what everyone expected. Potentially, this is what I think everyone was expecting of Kendrick when you talk about the West Coast.

112:08KT: You think the Bay gonna let you disrespect Pac, you know? Right. I think that Oakland gonna be your last stop, and I think he did cancel his Oakland show. Right? He did. At that time. Tough guy. Was bullet holes in Australia. I don't know how that translates to Oakland. But anyway Oh my god.

112:23KT: But I think when people think of like Kendrick, whether they say it's a shtick or not, whether people believe it or not, Kendrick has a spiritual connection that he feels to Tupac. We saw that in To Pimp a Butterfly, which was supposed to be titled alluding to Tupac as well. So to to talk about not just, I guess, an inspiration, but feeling like you're channeling Tupac as well. I don't think it was a surprise for anyone that Reincarnated was a track that we got on GNX. I loved it. I thought it was interesting. I even

112:56KT: hearing it the first time, I was trying to figure out and I was like, I need to message Countryboi to understand who these figures are in music that he's like embodying. Right? But it was pretty cool because I think that's probably the first sort of narrative wise that we're getting, like, track wise of following some sort of theme. Right. I I I guess I'll just say it now. I didn't I didn't feel the him fighting himself with god or the devil. I didn't necessarily feel that. But I did feel that there was this

113:28KT: you know, that there's a weightiness. There's there's a there's a weight that Kendrick brings into his music. It's not just the West Coast. It's just I guess it's the whole art form of black artistry. Right. Right? So Yeah. What rap raps. We can we can go wherever we want. We reincarnated.

113:45Cameron: No. Sure. I I mean, I I definitely I don't need this song to be, like, super, like, aggressive. I need this song to speak to what he's talking about, you know, Reincarnated, talking about past lives, past, you know, music industry, being black in the music industry. And that's a topic that no one talks about, which is insane.

114:11Cameron: Right? As a rap artist, we always say, like, you know, it's hard in the industry or shit like that, you know, you always listen to the rappers talk about, like, you know, just industry woes. That's fine. But to be a black artist plagued by your skin color in, like In a touring. In a black genre. Yeah. In a black genre, specifically. We're talking about, well, Billie Holiday, right? This is Yeah. Yep. One of the references is Billie Holiday and a person who was tortured by their own music, specifically, you know? Tortured by how targeted?

114:44Cameron: Having to tour, you know, the South watching things happen to black culture in real time that she didn't even know how to, like, really wrap her mind around. Somehow we even got that song out of it. You know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. I think true. Yeah. Right. And and I think this is the stuff where I'm I I look at Kendrick and I'm like, you're actually on another level. You're actually the person

115:11Cameron: and it's not your bona fides. It's not your how real you are, quote, unquote. It's the reach in your, like, idea about the song. Yeah. Right? Drake couldn't if he tried and not just couldn't, like, have rap with this aggression. It's he couldn't dig deep enough or outside of himself enough or outside of the cult or into the culture enough to access things that have come before him and take knowledge. I don't think he's got that in him.

115:11Jordan: It's also a Taylor Made flip. Right? Because

115:46Jordan: Mhmm. Drake does AI Tupac. Synthetic. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Which everybody Which was, like, the biggest L. The one of the biggest L's he took. And then Kendrick does, you know, his Tupac impersonation. But the thing about it, it's like, when you hear Black Thought do, like, a Big Daddy Kane impersonation Yes. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, you know, I I'm I'm rapping like them. I'm making my voice more like theirs. I'm, like, doing,

116:17Jordan: you know, all of the stuff when Drake did the Taylor Made Freestyle, he raps like Drake in Tupac's voice, which was like Yes. What? Like, you're freaking crazy. Like, if you're gonna do Pac, like, do Pac has a very specific cadence. He has a very specific yeah. You know what I mean? Like, the way that he uses his voice, like, the aggression, like, it's very strange to impersonate Tupac

116:39Jordan: not as Tupac. You know what I mean?

116:39Cameron: That's That's what was so embarrassing about the AI and what makes this, like, a layup, honestly, because when he did the AI, it was like, damn, you it was a dead giveaway. We knew you were Drake. We knew it was you behind the curtain. Like, it's so it was so You didn't think it was too hot? Like, like, Wizard of Oz or the Wiz? I wanted to smack the shit out of him for you. Definitely, definitely, like, way he could. And then, like, Kendrick is like, no, I'm embodying it. That's what it is. And it's like song concept. It's, you know, the idea.

117:10Cameron: It's more of an homage as opposed to an homage. More of a It reminds me idea.

117:16Countryboi: Of Summertime with Will Smith, and Lee talked about how he was attempting to rock to rock rhyme like Rakim. He told him that. Yes. What I had in mind when I was making this song. And while I'm not gonna say it, you can feel it. Because I felt it. I was like, yo, this is Yeah. Different.

117:33Cameron: Mhmm. Well, it's just yeah. It's like the way he plays with words on that song. You know? Like, everything's on beat, but in that weird way that Rakim, like, kinda dance with the beat. Right. You know? Agroof. Slight transformed. You know? Yeah. Guess we like, I'm dancing with the beat versus, like, I'm spitting on the beat, which is, like, how 80%, 90% of rappers enter

117:56Cameron: enter just making any song, you know? We don't we don't even have rappers that do stuff like that anymore. And I'm not saying, like, I'm old head, you know, all that business. But I am saying, like, it shows when, like, the, you know, the colloquial artists, the ones that just, like, come and go, you know?

118:15KT: They just sound like everything. Right? You find your voice, but before you do that, it's a usual tracing thing. Like, people talk about Kendrick rapping like Sure. Wayne. Like and then you find your voice and you tap into what that sounds like and it feels

118:30Cameron: culturally ancestral. You know what I mean? It's not Mhmm. Mhmm. I'm making feels part of, like, the tradition. It feels actually part of the storytelling tradition, like the griot tradition that rapping comes from. It actually feels like that in practice.

118:42Countryboi: Yeah. While while bringing something new to the table. While not something different. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we all know Kendrick always has one

118:51Jordan: black Israelite adjacent

118:53Cameron: song. There we go. Pearl. Let's go. The Elo gave him the rebirths.

118:58Jordan: Just one. So this was his kinda like I was with you, KT. Like, when they got to that part of the god and the devil, I was like, you get one. There it get one problem. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Clint is fine.

119:10Cameron: Get your shit off. Yeah. I'll I'll be

119:10Countryboi: By

119:13Countryboi: the way, that was my problem with DAMN. We get to DAMN., like because, you know, he kinda flirted he kinda flirted with religion a little bit in Pimp a Butterfly and Good Kid, M.A.A.D City. He got the DAMN., and he got his uncle on there. He's talking crazy. And I'm like, where did you even go from here? Are you going He's talking to someone. Are you are you gonna be dressing up like one of them weird Qs in the next album? Because I don't want

119:36Cameron: not what I'm here for.

119:38KT: Just just to By the way, do want

119:41Countryboi: On another note, because I'm in this black history space, they emailed me Who's they? As in they? Oh, okay. The black black ones that Them. Them. Them.

119:52KT: You're about to get your feed cut again, but keep going. The weird

119:56Countryboi: the weird Qs email me about once or twice a month to be on the podcast. They're like, hey. You should interview me. I've been on Sean Hannity. Woah. Woah. Don't you think what what the vibes that I got here? But that's not what we do here, sir.

120:11Cameron: Don't mistake me.

120:13Countryboi: Yeah. Right.

120:16KT: Andre, do you have any thoughts on Reincarnated?

120:19Andre: I'm gonna say this for the last time, but this is like I this is like the top tier, like, Kendrick storytelling.

120:25Cameron: And

120:27Andre: once I realized what he was trying to do, it made more sense to for him to tell these stories without telling exactly who he was talking about because it's like he wants you to do the homework. He wants you to never said no names. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he he wants you to go and be like, wow. This connect the dots on your own. Like, this is what helps the culture expand. It's like, not everything can be handed to you despite him being a popular artist where

120:52Andre: he can give you that information. He kinda wants to just say, hey. Check this out. And it's like, you're already interested because I'm saying it. Then you can branch off on your own Yeah. And discover yeah. You could discover more throughout the genre, throughout the culture, throughout history. Yeah. And I I think that's what made that song so special. Mhmm. It's like the the Tupac cadence and delivery, and then who are these people? And it's like that that story could be Chitlin' Circuit. Yeah. Yeah. Could be it could be anybody from that time frame.

121:28Andre: And then making him rapping as if he's Lucifer, it's like, well, I'm not that not that educated on the Bible. I'm like, where where are we going with this? I don't know what what what it was, but I felt like that was that was a special moment for the song. But off topic, have to head up out of here and take care of some things on a Sunday afternoon, but I really loved chitchatting.

121:54KT: Do wanna give your quick thoughts on the Super Bowl before you have to leave?

121:54Andre: Super Bowl, Uncle Sam was great. I'm glad that he said Drake's name.

122:02Andre: The controller, it was I think that was obvious as a gamer. I was just like, oh, that's PlayStation. This is a game. Is he's playing the game to is he playing the game to win or is the game rigged? Yeah. And he's just trying to get as much as he can out of it before Right. He gets that warning.

122:19KT: Mhmm. But

122:20Andre: I feel as though he he's he's the artist he's the artist of the time right now. Mhmm. And when you're when you're 10 toes down in the culture, all of your work is gonna reflect that because you're trying to remain true to yourself, you're trying to remain true to your family. And the people who get it will soak it up like a sponge. And the others that don't, they're just gonna swish it around like a washcloth in the dish Yeah. In the dish rackets. They're gonna feel like it's weird.

122:46Jordan: 95 is lost. I don't understand. Yeah.

122:49KT: Andre, Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. I know you're gonna say it's father time, but I'm sure if I look up, Drake is probably in Melbourne right now.

122:56Andre: Yeah. I've got other OVO

123:00Andre: activities to attend to.

123:00KT: Oh, geez. Now you said it. It's on here now. Thank you. Thank you so much, Andre Thank you. For your time.

123:09Andre: Alright. You guys have a great time. And, yeah, TV Off is the best song on the album. Bye. Oh, wow.

123:19KT: I do wanna pick up off on what Andre just said about Reincarnated, and I guess the last thing sort of impact on the culture and what that means because I think even Countryboi, I think a lot of you were saying, is this where music is going because Kendrick is the benchmark kind of at the moment. I think what I will say is I feel like Kendrick is an outlier, The same way I think Spike Lee is an outlier

123:46KT: in the sense that they're doing what they're doing. They just happen to be popular. They're not doing it to be popular. I agree. Does that make sense? So I don't know what that means, but I don't think that's Kendrick's responsibility to figure out who's He's not your savior. He's not your savior. He's not your savior in either religion.

124:05Countryboi: I I do hope that it brings more artists back to the center. And, you know, when you the podcast, you deal with this a lot. Like, hey, what do I wanna make? Or what will make people watch?

124:23Countryboi: You know, you deal with that a lot. And I'm sure that a lot of artists are like, hey, the music I wanna make and the music that will get radio plays are not always the same thing. And Kendrick introduced the fact that you could do what the fuck you wanna do and still sell a ton of albums and stay true to yourself. And this is this is very Stop asking Countryboi to do food series, friends and lovers. I know. I know. If I talk about cornbread or or fried chicken one more time.

124:51Countryboi: But no. I I I feel like it's it's good for artists to see this and know that you can make the music and you doesn't always have to be hyper violent even though that's a that is the area that I came from.

125:05Jordan: But Well, it's interesting. Make

125:08Countryboi: something Oh, go ahead. Other things. No. No. No. Go ahead. No. You're good.

125:12Jordan: Oh, no. Because I was just gonna say that's the essence of hip hop. Like, if you go back to the very beginning, like Yeah. It all coexisted. Right? Like, you had Rakim, and you had Kid 'n Play, you had Public Enemy, You had Heavy D, you know, and all these artists who were doing things that were, you know, party related. Like, the the literal birth of it was just like we're on the corners with the boom boxes and the records. We're having block parties. Yeah.

125:37Jordan: You know? So, like, there's always been, you know, dance and entertainment and all of that related to hip hop. It hasn't always just been rappity rapping, but, like, I think it's the balance of that. Right? Of, It is about. You know? And it was and it was also never you know, in some instances, yes. Like, nobody, like, Milli Vanilli. Right? And, like, people have problems with MC Hammer even though MC Hammer was a real dude from the streets. Yeah. But, like Yeah. He was certified. He was very certified. Yeah. Yeah.

126:05Jordan: But that's the thing. It was like, but everybody else, you know, like, if you could rap, if you could come in, like, you know, nobody had a problem with the Beastie Boys. Nobody had a problem with 3rd Bass. You know, nobody probably had a problem with, you know, a lot of people who maybe didn't fit the specific, you know, idea of a rapper coming in. But, like, if they showed that they loved the genre

126:26Jordan: and that they were, you know, taking it seriously as an art form, like, everybody was welcome. Like, hip hop has always been a very welcoming space. Yeah. It's just that, you know, when you get to that point of, like, okay. But what are we doing? You know what mean? Like, what is the music that you want? Like, guess

126:45KT: oh, I can't remember. Was his name Ethan?

126:48Cameron: But there's also Tommy Richman as well that says he doesn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. Or the young white avatars in Atlanta. Yeah. Tommy I mean, Jack Harlow is dealing with that problem right now. Like, I forgot about him recently. I forgot about finding out that he ain't shit. Like, his story is not about nothing. He's a half flip away from from Post Malone. He's gonna be doing country music and

127:10KT: Oh, 1,000,000 or so. Yeah. I was like, he doesn't deserve to be that close to Beyoncé.

127:14Cameron: No. But he will make it all. It's

127:17Countryboi: so funny because, like, wow, he's everybody's like, he's a great dude. And I'm like, maybe he is a great dude. But the way people treat hip hop like it's disposable or your interest into the industry Right. So that I can do whatever I want Yeah. That just continuously leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah. It becomes And a pump

127:17KT: And I think even Yeah. Twitter, when you said it's very welcoming,

127:39KT: the thought I had inside was, but they probably don't have a choice but to be welcoming. Because then it becomes a bigger conversation of non-black people are gonna profit off it anyway.

127:51Jordan: Yeah. Right? Right. Yeah. Well, I I do think that there's been, like when you look at Paul Wall, for example,

127:58Jordan: everybody loves Paul Wall.

127:58KT: So you've started, like, discobile?

128:01Jordan: Yeah. All the black people in That's what I'm saying. All the black people in Houston love Paul Wall, and it's not because of anything in particular. It's that Paul Wall is from Houston, that he grew up around this, and he knows all those people. And like you said, he's certified. Like, people see him. It's not an act. He's not go he hasn't gone anywhere. He's still making grills. He's still in Houston.

128:23Countryboi: Yeah. So Like, you know, you could talk through him today. He is the exact same person that he was,

128:29Jordan: you know, you know, sipping on He's got the Internet going nuts. You know? So I think that's that's the thing where it's like, you know, if if you come to this in a genuine way, people love Mac Miller. You know what I mean? Like, deeply. 1,000,000. You know? Yeah. And and I don't think that was because he was doing anything other than being himself and, like, showing an appreciation. Not being about himself. Don't be a Logic.

128:53Cameron: Oh my god. But that's We don't have time to Did

128:56Countryboi: you know he was biracial? He only told me, like I did it. A million times. I didn't. I didn't know. He'll tell you. He'll tell you. Wait.

129:04Jordan: So I mean, like, there's there's certainly you know, I think it's not gonna be a a full on move by artists to try to replicate or follow Kendrick. Like, I'm not expecting Taylor Swift to be making any albums that are No. Any different from the music that she already makes. But, like, do I think that there is a level of authenticity that people are looking for? Like, absolutely, yes. I think that people do want to if not be able to relate to an artist on a level that's not simply just aspirational. I would enjoy

129:40Countryboi: no. Go ahead. Sorry.

129:42Jordan: Oh, no. I was just gonna say, but but I feel like it's not it's not enough to just be like, oh, you're just like me. You know? But it's like, I I want clothes. I want clothes. Yeah. Like, you know. Yeah. Like, you don't necessarily want to like, Kendrick was saying, like, don't don't worship me. Like, don't, like, follow me, you know, to the ends of the earth and do because that's what Drake's fans do, and you see

130:05Jordan: the logical finalists they have to wrap themselves up into just to justify.

130:05KT: Idol it becomes idolship at that point. Right? As opposed to just appreciating someone's artistry. And I think Kendrick's always kind of tried to reinforce that if whether people got that or not. But before before we move into Andre's favorite TV Off, Kendrick

130:28KT: is that kid when everyone got a book report and everyone just did what they were supposed to do. Kendrick will cite the sources of the sources of the sources Yeah. Yeah. And give you a whole like, he'll give you a whole volume in regards to a book report or, you know, even if we talk about, like, the lens, whether we wanna talk about, like, about a TV, like, Drake is very manicured in the sense that he will show you in this tight frame what he wants to show you,

130:56KT: whether it lands or not or it's cringe or not. Because a part of me feels like he's enjoying that cringiness because it's something. Yeah. Right? Because it's different, but it's something to access. It's something different. And Kendrick is a wide shot artist. He's going to show you all of it thematically

131:11KT: throughout.

131:11Countryboi: Thousand few view.

131:14KT: Yeah. Absolutely. And let I guess, let's get into TV Off. I know Countryboi, you were saying you didn't know how you're feeling or you probably knew how you saw what you were feeling. I

131:24Countryboi: love just say now, I love TV Off. I think it's so amazing. I think it's such a good

131:24KT: But even the way it starts,

131:30KT: all I ever wanted was a black Grand National. Fuck. Be rational. Give them what they ask for. It's

131:36Countryboi: so funny. And once again, it's

131:39KT: it's so West Coast. It doesn't even need this beat switch up. Like, we didn't even have to have the Mustard. It it doesn't need the second part. It doesn't have to be in there. You're right. It doesn't have there. Kept mentioning the Mustard because I was like, there's so much in this. Mhmm. Ain't no other king in this rap game, they siblings. One shot, they disappear in. I'm like, come on. There's so much more than this. Stands

131:59Countryboi: on its own so ugh. Yeah. I just love it. I think it's an amazing song. Like, it deserved to be the first the first single drop, but I get why. It's kinda like

132:09Cameron: if we talk about Well, it's Dan the song we knew he was gonna he was gonna perform. He said, Walk in New Orleans with the etiquette of LA. I'm like, dawg, like, we get it. Yeah.

132:17KT: We'll see you there. We'll

132:18Cameron: see you there. Exactly.

132:20Countryboi: Definitely the DNA of this album, if you know who's making a damn reference. It's definitely the DNA. Yeah.

132:28Jordan: I think it is one of those songs that, you know, like, another refrain from Drake's fan base was like, Kendrick doesn't have any quotables. Kendrick, nobody knows any Kendrick lyrics. Nobody knows you know, nobody sings Kendrick songs, you know, in that way. And now he's got A minor. He's got Mustard. He's got, like, you know what I mean? He's The opening is next day. Just in the opening. That's that's on it too. I mean, honestly, it's the not a it's not enough.

133:00Cameron: Yeah. It's not enough. It's not enough. That's what he's saying. Dude, bitch is not a nice step, but it's not enough.

133:05Jordan: You think it's myself, but it's not enough. But But it's not enough. That's what that's what UMG's lawyers are gonna say when they take it to court. They're gonna be like, it's not enough, boy. You you have to I still

133:15Cameron: feel little bounds here, but it ain't enough. He's like

133:19Jordan: he's like, they did not

133:21Countryboi: take down the album because I'm not a pedophile. I'm like, how did you expect your label to know that you weren't a weirdo? Like, how did get it?

133:30Cameron: That's your label, bro. Like, you follow they got the following.

133:34Jordan: If you follow his logic, he's too rich Yes. To be a pedophile.

133:38KT: So Jordan, you are correct. He would I would be in jail. How pedophilia works. Yeah.

133:43Cameron: You can you can be rich beyond it.

133:46Countryboi: Is that did not stop you from texting that 14 year old girl from Stranger Things. Like Yeah. Sure did not. Man. I don't know if you're a pedophile, but you do things that pedophiles You move weird.

133:56KT: Yeah. You're weird, ma'am. You move weird. Weird.

134:00Cameron: Enough.

134:00Jordan: We've had enough of you. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think that's the thing, though. It's like, Kendrick, you know, certainly has this kind of energy. I mean, if you think about Backseat Freestyle and, like, you know, a lot of his his other uptempo songs. Like, he definitely approached this in that way where it's like, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you

134:23Jordan: something to say. You know? You know, I'm gonna give you something to chant. I'm gonna give you, you know, a little bit of that. But, like, I'm I'm I'm just gonna keep hitting, you know, again and again and again. And it's it's it's another just reference of that. Like, you know, it's it's basically mask off season. Like, if you're not Yeah. It's not even if you're not who you say you are, but it's just like, you know, we're we're done with a lot of just the super made up personas and, like, people trying to,

134:57Jordan: you know, appear as there's something else instead of

135:00Cameron: Just like Yeah. Yeah. You know, like Got him big mouth, but he lack ideas. Send him to the moon, dawg.

135:07KT: Send him to the moon. Get him out of here. Get him out of here. Even Send him to Europe. Send him to the moon. Send him anywhere else. Right.

135:14Countryboi: Even outside of Drake, like, there's there's been a lot of that personas where people put off. Rick Ross immediately comes to mind where he has the persona of being someone that he's not. And it's not just like this is a a rap persona. Like, he lives it. Like, he thinks he's Rick Ross all the time in his life. Yep. Which is really weird considering the fact that that's a real person who's out on the streets and, like, that's the name that you stole. But anyway,

135:41Countryboi: like, but that shot is just not at Drake. It's at everybody who's living in a disingenuous way, like, bro, you don't have to do that. We we live in our true self. Prophetic. They will talk about it. I get it.

135:53Cameron: That's right. I think that's but I think that's the vibe of the record. Right? It's like, I do it. You don't. Yeah. And I stand apart, and I'm gonna make sure they know that I stand apart and why I stand apart, you know? And that's the argument that the old has always been talking about, you know, that real rap ain't real rap no more. Right? But he's actually saying it.

136:16Cameron: Who knows how many years it's actually gonna land on. Right? Because Drake's going he's going he's not gonna sell out, obviously, but he is going to, like, sell. He's going to continue to do well. Will these people pay attention and, like, actually

136:16Guests: When you said sell out, I was like, are you sure? You sold out a long time ago.

136:16Cameron: Yeah. You know what? I didn't say it. I didn't say it.

136:16Guests: You don't have to. You You know, Cameron.

136:42Cameron: Who knows who knows if I'm in Euphoria season four, man. You know what I'm saying? I I need a job. That's true. But, yeah, it's it's send all these clowns to the moon. It's get them out of here. It's it's that's the vibe of the album. And this is kinda like I feel like this and Squabble Up are like the two that's like pointed. The two that's like, hey, dog. I'm talking to all the fakes, all of you. I'm talking to you. Get out of here. It's about to get loud.

137:12Cameron: It's not. It's about to be off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Turn the TV off straight up. It's it's Like, you don't have to be with me, but get the fuck out of the way. Get the fuck out of the way because we not we don't got time for the foolishness no more. We we not wasting words on the foolishness.

137:26Countryboi: You know? Yeah. Longest took me to realize that that was like a a murder reference turning his TV off. I was like, oh.

137:34Cameron: Yeah. I'm a it's so happy for you.

137:38Countryboi: Like,

137:40KT: And with this type activities that don't you get involved. Hate a minute. It's just so good. Like, I just beat floating.

137:47Cameron: And the beat is the beat is just like it's the inverse, Not Like Us beat, which is just like so stupid crazy. It's just, like, wow. He really just flipped the notes

137:58Cameron: and turned it into just the same kind of, like, bop energy, the same kind of, like, I'm coming out the Colosseum. I'm I'm slashing the lion, as you know. Like, I got my shield up. I'm ready to go. Like, that's the energy for both

137:58KT: Denzel was great in that, by the way. You I I think that's the second time we made the Gladiator reference. Denzel was great. I mean, sadly, that movie still goes through my brain. There were British people. They weren't even, like, culturally accurate accents. Shut the fuck up. Denzel was carrying that whole movie on his back. Paul Mescal is not a leading man. I love Indie boys. He is not a leading man. We do not have time. But, yes, I just need to love on Denzel

138:36KT: because I was like, I get it. And that his story was more interesting. But we don't have time Oh, yeah. To get into is there anything else about TV Off? Because we're getting to my favorite track now.

138:47Countryboi: Here we go. Here we go.

138:48KT: Nothing else about TV Off?

138:48Guests: No. No. We're good. No.

138:48KT: Cameron and Jordan, have you mentioned your favorite tracks or they haven't come up yet?

138:48Guests: I think it's coming up. It might. I think it might be TV Off. It might be TV

138:48KT: Okay. Jordan's just coming. Go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Dodger Blue, can I just say, like, obviously, we get to a point where we hear what they're saying, like,

139:09KT: with Wallie the Sensei and Roddy Ricch as well? Like, you hear the lyrics, but at first, was like, this is smooth and sexy. We don't even need to be we're not even gonna make it to the car to pull over. We're inside of the house. I just it's a sexy song. I love it. Yeah. But 50 on me don't I tried. Obviously, that's not sexy. It can be, I guess, if you're on some if you're on a different tip. But I just love

139:34KT: I just love it. And I don't think we even need to, like, analytically describe it, but I just love everything about Dodger Blue.

139:43Cameron: It is a vibe. It is a vibe. Yeah.

139:47Jordan: I think, you know, this is this might be the most LA of the song. It's giving it's it's giving very much a Zapp and Roger feel to it. Yep. Yeah. And I think it has, you know, certain vibes that I think are, like, just fundamental to that LA sound. And even, like, again, Roddy Ricch, not somebody that I know that. People yeah. I thought a lot of people would have expected for that hook, especially because SZA's the, you know,

140:19Jordan: the the listed big picture. Big picture. Yeah. So you're just like, oh, SZA's gonna sing the hook, but then they do, you know, the hook at the end. And I think it's it's very much it's just like, this is for LA. You know what mean? Like, people are gonna play this in the car, you know, in the low rider. Yeah. And, you know, it's gonna hit when you're when you're riding home, you know, riding to the beach.

140:44KT: I told you your last laid out the house. I'm still in the house.

140:48Cameron: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

140:51Jordan: So yeah. I mean, it's it's again, shows that versatility specifically, like you were saying, like, you go from Squabble Up to Luther. And then, again, you go from TV Off to Dodger Blue, and it's just like, you know, both both sides who Kendrick can be. Butter. Mhmm. Butter.

141:11KT: So good. And then he mentions Tarantino, Alejandra, Spike Lee. We love that. We love shout out. But even the line after, you know, you took the scenic route of you said, buy me stupid. Like, I don't think people understand. Like, just because you know Kendrick doesn't mean you understand culturally what's happening here. Right. That's what I took from those lyrics anyway.

141:32Jordan: I feel entitled to because he knew me since a kid. Right? Like, he still he still has those feelings where people think that just because we grew up together or we're from the same neighborhood or, you know, things like that that, like,

141:46Jordan: you know, Kendrick is is is my boy. You know? If I see him in the street, I'm a go run up. You know? But like we said, this is I don't forget shit the album. You know what I mean? I'm I'm holding on to All Grudges the album. So, like Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I remember you from high school who said that weird thing to me. Mhmm. No thanks. You know what I mean? I'm a keep him a fit. Right. So, you know, like,

142:10Jordan: what what's the line that's like, you know, don't say you head LA if you don't travel past the 10. Right? Exactly. Don't don't come to my city, you know, with all of that energy, you know, all of these people who know us as well. Yeah. Yeah. Know, you think you know us or you think, you know, like, LA is is, you know, this one specific thing, but, like, where I'm from,

142:32Jordan: you know, this is what LA is. Right? And, like, we're not just gonna let people come and talk crazy about us. So that was, again, the other thing. Byproduct of all of this, right, is you got, you know, Reason and Joey Bada$$ and, you know, all of these other people throwing shots daylight, like, back and forth in a way that's just like, you know, it's kind of like splintering to Jake.

142:53KT: We haven't gotten to Peekaboo yet, but he just got a Warner deal. So shout out to the record deal. But he also had a song come out recently. It's called What What or What Times Two? Where he references Joey Bada$$'s track as well. Sorry. Keep going.

143:07Jordan: Yeah. Well, I think that's the thing is that, like, he's very much kind of, like, got everybody on LA, like, very

143:16Jordan: chest out. Mhmm. You know what mean? Yeah. Like, you know.

143:16KT: I got my chest out in Dodger Blue. I love this song. It's my favorite.

143:25Jordan: Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's just another side of him, you know, representing LA, you know, with with the that kind of throwback R&B sound. Mhmm.

143:34KT: And I Peekaboo would be my second favorite. I was like, oh, we are nest. I was like, we are nested, Tom. I don't think that's anyone's favorite or or

143:34Jordan: It's my favorite. Peekaboo's

143:47Jordan: my

143:48KT: Peekaboo's your favorite? I see you, Jordan.

143:51Jordan: Broke bitch business? Hey. Hey. Hey.

143:58Cameron: Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

144:03KT: Okay. See, this is why we get along. Hey.

144:07Jordan: Hey. Well, I think, you know, the thing about Peekaboo is that, like, it I think it it it encapsulates, like, everything about Kendrick. Right? Like, it's, you know, a song that, like, it it has, you know, a particular vibe. Right? Like, I can't really think of anybody else making this song. But then, like Yeah. You're right. You know, the the hook, you know, what they talk about are they talking about that? You know, it's just like the repeating of it, like, again, like, a very LA, you know, just, like, kinda back and forth.

144:44KT: Apparently, AzChike was asked to do it, he's like, I can't do it that fast.

144:47Jordan: Well,

144:49Jordan: I'm glad I'm glad Kendrick did it. But then it's it's also, like, you know, there's the humor in there. Right? Like, can get you get a bit of, like, the playful side. You know, you get, again, his more just, like, aggressive side in there, and it's a great it's a great look for AzChike. Right? Mhmm. You know? Mac Touch and Yams did something to people on the Internet. Oh, I it did it to me.

145:16KT: It did it to me.

145:18Jordan: Lot of feelings about that particular line. Well, slider didn't wear it. Was a lot of people didn't know. But, yeah, I think for me, it's just like I don't it's definitely not the best song on the album, but it's the song that I find myself coming back to the most. And then, you know, you're back.

145:18KT: You said it was your favorite, and I support

145:18Jordan: No. I'm saying I'm saying it's my favorite. I'm not saying it's the best song. Like, I think there are better songs on the album,

145:49Jordan: but I think it's the one that I come back to the most. And even the fact that he plucked it at the Super Bowl Yeah. Was a very fun choice. And I don't know. Like, he is he is not Drake, but he is like we said, like, he's got a real ear to what's happening. And so then the the extra extra, you know, like, tinfoil conspiracy theory was like, well, Peekaboo is like a low key, like, diss to Drake for the, you know, XXXTentacion situation. And

146:26Jordan: then at the Super Bowl, he performed it in the X, and everybody was like, oh, he's confirming it. Like, he this is he he's really saying that this is like chocolate.

146:26KT: It's Kendrick's fault because he'll do shit that reinforces

146:37KT: these years long conspiracy theories. And everyone's like, we'll see.

146:42Jordan: I think he was just fucking with people. Like, I think he was just like, okay.

146:47Cameron: KT, I mean, I do have big ex. KT called that, but I also, like, when he peekabooed, like, on the camera, I was like, we're we're having a lot of fun here, guys.

146:57KT: Took me about two. Yeah.

147:00Jordan: But he is just having fun. I think that's one of the things that but, again, people miss about Kendrick sometimes. Like, people didn't like People don't know how funny he is. Yeah. Yeah. Like, people didn't like Range, Range Bros.

147:15Countryboi: Like, they were, like That's one of my favorite. That's one of my favorite Shakespeare's even horn. I don't care.

147:20Cameron: I don't care. I I hope he's he's it's top of the morning two more times before he's done. I I need that.

147:27Jordan: Because he's he's a clown. I mean, like, people who know him for real are, like, Kendrick is not stupid, but, like, he's just he's constantly joking. He's constantly pulling yeah. Mean, you remember the video where he crashed that person's wedding? Like, he's like Yeah. Yeah. A very non serious, serious person.

147:46Cameron: Yeah. Exactly. The the meme of the the picture of him getting his cheeks pinched is like, that's the guy I That is the

147:55Cameron: guy who put on GNX to me. It's like, this is your victory lap. We love you so much. We're pinching your fucking cheeks, bro. Like Yeah. You are the you you are you the guy. You the cutest nigga out here. Thank you. Thank you for that. You know, it's it's just so funny because, like, he's beating Drake into the ground, and niggas is like, we love you, dude. Yeah. Do it again. And then he even smiled about it. He didn't even, like, jump down the bike. So he was like, yeah. I guess so. Right?

148:22KT: Yeah. Well, then there was some there was some lines in Peekaboo. Let me FaceTime my ops bitch. I'm up the street. I'm like, oh. Oh my god. And he's like, why are you acting tough on IG live? Like Yeah. And they're all off the Like, there's so many lines in Peekaboo aside from the nasty freak sexy shit that I love. That's

148:45KT: kind of all I'm there for to be perfectly honest friends and lovers. But, you know, he has those lines as well, which are kind of reinforced throughout all of GNX. Countryboi, do you wanna wrap up any thoughts on Dodger boy and Oh, man. Dodger boy, Dodger Blue, and Peekaboo.

149:01Countryboi: I am so late. No. I think wow. I I kinda lost my train of thought.

149:01KT: I said Dodger Blue was my favorite. Jordan said that Peekaboo is his favorite. So if you have any thoughts, otherwise, we can go into the next round.

149:01Countryboi: No. I'm not like I I I like Dodger Blue. Think it fits very well within his album. I can't say that it's one of my favorites, but it's it's definitely one of those tracks feel like I enjoy. I enjoy this. Peekaboo is fire, though. Peekaboo is,

149:31Countryboi: like, it's one of the Peekaboo is funny because honest when he played at the Super Bowl, I'm like, no one no one's gonna get fucked with this, but I love it. I love every moment of this. You know? Like, the people the people who listen who watch the Super Bowl, they're gonna be like, why did he play this song? Because I heard people, know, complain about the track listing,

149:52Countryboi: and maybe he didn't play the right track. He should have did this. He should have did all his bangers in succession. I was like, no. This once again, this is Kendrick doing what the fuck he wants to do. And I love and I enjoy I enjoy a guy who who calls his own shots and plays the songs no matter no matter what. And that Peekaboo is one of those. And he and, you know, in in the midst of that, I love it.

150:14KT: Speaking of Kendrick doing whatever he wants to do, we talked about the rebranding of The Heart Part 6, and this is where we come to. I don't know how the listening experience was for you guys, but when we got to The Heart Part 6 because again, I don't know how it happened. I guess it was Twitter that I came across Kendrick Lamar at Section.80, and I've I've followed Kendrick Lamar since then.

150:35KT: But I started getting emotional. Like, I started shedding a tear, listening to The Heart Part 6, especially when he talked about Soul, like, you know, rolling the cigarettes. And, like, I was like, I feel it. Like, I can feel it. Maybe I can smell the Black & Mild as well. But I I felt like I was so in that moment, and it was also not to say that Kendrick doesn't talk about his not necessarily his mistakes, but his maybe something that he might necessarily regret

151:03KT: is when he talked about how they broke up because of him. And he's reckoning with that because they were on such a trajectory, and he needed to do something more creatively. And I don't know. People can say we're just bopping along, but this shit means more than a hit to me. And I just really love the Heart Parts.

151:03Jordan: Well,

151:24Jordan: and then we got got the SWV sample. Mhmm. You know, which I think really carries it through in a way that, like They have a great Tiny Desk as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tiny Desk is awesome. It's it's, again, harkening back, you know, like Luther. You know what I mean? Like, SWV holds a very special place in a lot of people's hearts, you know, specifically growing up in the nineties. And, you know, it is it everything circles back to the beef. Right? You know what I mean? Because, like, Meet the Grahams. You know? Like,

152:02Jordan: you should you should, you know, take the ayahuasca and burn that you go down to the root. Right? Like, Kendrick is very much somebody who I think has grown up before our eyes in a way that we didn't really realize the maturation just because, like, he's kinda come in, and people have kinda viewed him as being the same person, you know, kinda, like, since he came in until now. Yeah. But I think he very much so you can see with every album

152:33Jordan: and not just, like, the content of the album, but, like, the way that he kinda reflects on certain things of, like, you know first, I'm just trying to make it out. Right? Now I made it out, and now I'm I'm kind of going back and realizing that, like, you know, I I I have to choose.

152:52Jordan: You know, like, can either be here or there. Right? Like, I can't I can't go back. Either or. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, especially if I'm going to where I wanna go to, but what does that mean for the people that I grew up with or the people I still, you know, like, and I can't take all of them with me. And, you know, this kinda feels like a continuation of that energy because it's like, you know, TDE started as

153:15Jordan: we're all rooting for Jay Rock. You know what I mean? Like, we're all we're all happy just to be there. Right? Yeah. You're right. Like, we're we're here because we want Jay Rock to get off Jay Rock, you know, local legend, and, like, we are we're just happy to be here as part of this crew. And then as he continued to kind of ascend, you know, and anything kinda coherent around him, it was kinda like, you know, what happens if I leave, though? Right? Like, what happens if, like you know, because I don't

153:43Jordan: I always got the sense that he didn't wanna be TDE as in, like, he didn't wanna be the end all be all. Right? Like, he always wanted to shine the spotlight on, you know, SiR and Isaiah Rashad and SZA. Like, you know, he always wanted to help make the label grow because of his relationship with Top. Right? Like, it's a very interesting, you know, special relationship.

154:06Jordan: It's interesting that on The Heart Part 6, you know, Drake is like, and your record label, you know, oh, they tried to shoot your dad. Like, what a dumbass you are for, like, trying to, you know, sign into that record label. And it's like, bro, you didn't real story. Yeah. You didn't listen to any of his music because he's deal tell all of this several times.

154:25KT: Yeah. He's his own life. He tells everything about himself.

154:29Jordan: Yeah. You got Mother I Sober wrong. You got Duckworth wrong. Like, you're you're not listening to any of these tracks because he's already talked about all of this. And I think,

154:39Jordan: you know through it.

154:43Jordan: Because, you know, for for this to be, you know, a song that he puts on this album, specifically after The Pop Out and specifically after, you know, the way that a lot of people have talked about or reflected on TDE, like, you know, it it does mean a lot to him. Like, all of those people do mean a lot to him. And, you know, you could see, like, just specifically his relationship with Ab-Soul. Like, they are, like,

155:08Jordan: brothers. You know?

155:08KT: 6:16 in LA when he rapped that Mhmm. Mhmm. At The Pop Out. Oh, man.

155:15Jordan: You know? And, like, for him, like, all of those guys are very close friends of his. And it's interesting because we're we're so used to him going at people. It was it's rare to hear him, you know, praise people or speak Right. About his relationships with people in that way where it's very vulnerable and unguarded. And, you know, him saying like, hey, man. Like, it's it's it's a lot of tough decisions to make, you know, when when friends and business are mixed together. And, like, I

155:48Jordan: had to do what I had to do, but, like, it was never a sense of, like, leaving people behind, but just like we are we're all growing, you know, and, like, how do we how do we all move, you know, as we get older?

156:01Countryboi: How can I continue to grow and stay in the same place?

156:05Jordan: Yeah. And so, you know, like, again, like, for that to be not just a song on the album, but also part of the Heart series, but also kinda like him delivering it in a way where, like, you know, I'm sure the first time all of those guys heard that song was, like, a very emotional moment. You know what I mean? I don't know if he played it for them, you know, specifically or if they you know, he sent it to them and they heard it. But, like, I could imagine, you know,

156:33Jordan: Soul, Q, Jay Rock, you know, all of them, like, hearing that song and, like, just hearing the love and appreciation that he put down, you know, directed towards them, I think, is is a very meaningful thing.

156:46Countryboi: Mhmm. Yeah. I think it's I think it's interesting. And not not to talk about the song is that, you know, Drake copied that and, you know, made that song in the Heart series and that this

157:02Countryboi: song is just like, fuck what he talking about. We're still doing this. And and and what you got going on is not gonna change me. Not not one iota. And I really I I really appreciate that because I would have, you know, felt some type of way. I guess he's already stomped on, like, so many times. But by the time you get here, you're like, we're talk about this nigga again. We gotta say do I have to say something else? And also, like, just this appreciation for, you know, Kendrick as a as a storyteller.

157:32Countryboi: I just it's such a lost art. It's just this appreciation for his ability to tell to tell stories and and and rap about stories, but just don't just don't get that anymore. And it's just such a such refreshing. It's so refreshing to hear it, to tell a story. Tell me a story. Tell me a bedtime story.

157:32KT: Cameron?

157:56KT: Cameron, you got thoughts on The Heart Part 6?

157:59Cameron: I think those are my sentiments kinda exactly that, you know, that, you know, that he was able to make it into his own thing completely and kind of erase all memory of that even part that part of the beef, you know? And to make it that personal to be telling the story about how TDE started and how he kinda had to walk away, he felt it just means a lot. Just It feels like it means a lot. You know? It feels like that actual moment on the record that's like,

158:33Cameron: let's sit down and listen. You know? Yeah.

158:37KT: And Like, let's sit down with our listening ears and pay attention. You know? Yeah. And you can't fake a lot of this shit. Like, you can't fake influence, we're gonna get to in the Super Bowl. But you also can't fake vulnerability. And I think that's kind of what Drake was trying to do without actually doing the work and actually being vulnerable, then keep it. You know? Keep your sing songy dances where you try and hug women and they side boob you. Like,

159:02KT: keep it to that.

159:02Jordan: It's another subliminal, you know, in that way that, like, you know, Kendrick is like, these are my my people that I rock with till the end. You know? These are the same people that you tried to turn against me in some way. Like, you thought Top was gonna sell me out or whatever was gonna happen. But it's also just because, like, there's some people now kinda trickling in for Drake of, like, yeah, I thought it was kinda weird how everybody

159:34Jordan: turned against Drake all of a sudden. It's like, shut up. You know what mean? The whole time. Yeah. Yeah.

159:41Countryboi: Contrarian thing where people are like, oh, I don't like Kendrick anymore. I you know, everything that you guys like, Kendrick's one of those things that I hate because everybody else loves them. Anyway, sorry.

159:53Jordan: Oh, but but I think, you know but even further to that, you know I mean? Like, during the beef, you know, Soul was tweeting, Q was tweeting, Punch was tweeting, like SZA was side tweeting, like people were like, Kendrick's people were, like, very much behind him publicly. Wayne ain't say shit. Nicki Minaj ain't say shit.

160:16KT: You know? Like she was saying shit about other shit. Yeah.

160:21Jordan: A lot of the Young Money people weren't yeah. A lot of the Young Money people weren't, like, speaking up or be you know, none of his you know, all of the random OVO OVO whatevers were maybe saying some things, but, like, PartyNextDoor wasn't out there with his chest out. You know what mean? They didn't talk about Right? They didn't talk about it. They didn't talk about nothing. Yeah. That's the thing. So it's like Drake's whole

160:48Jordan: whatever his relationships are with people, like, they're definitely not as strong as Kendrick's are. And you can definitely tell that, like, the way that people flipped on him wasn't necessarily from a it wasn't jealousy. It was like, you know, we have had to be in proximity. Like, DeMar DeRozan is like, I played for the team that you sat courtside for for all those years. But, like, I'm from Compton. So, like, this is not the it's not a me or you situation. It's like, Yeah. You know

161:19Cameron: Yeah. I'm not from here. Really about that shit. You know? Where

161:23KT: are you from? Not where I'm from. We're indigenous.

161:27Jordan: Right. Right. And and that's the thing, you know. Drake Drake pulling tough guys saying, you know, I'm gonna rip down DeMar DeRozan's jersey at his hall of fame, you know, or his his jersey retirement night. And say, yeah, you ain't gonna do shit. Shut up. Why are yelling at the sideline while he's at his job? Shut up. Yeah. But DeMar was also like, I like to see him try. Exactly. It's like, we're not you know, nobody's afraid of you. And, you know, I think a lot of people,

161:56Countryboi: quote unquote, turning on you are more so people that you've done shitty throughout the years and are now, like, happy to see something shitty happen to you. You ran out of friend groups to talk to you. Yeah. Yeah. Right? I feel like there was a general fatigue around Drake. Like, before this. Yeah. Like, all Kendrick had to do was just, like, push the ball a little bit that was already there waiting for someone to push it. Someone please push it. He just like nudged it. Oh, yeah. I hate this nigga. Did I tell you how much I hate this nigga?

162:25Guests: Oh, yeah. Me too. Me too. Yeah. Yeah.

162:25KT: Right. I

162:30KT: think that I think that takes us quite well to GNX about tripping and loving it. I say that all the time. And shout outs to Hido because Hido was definitely a frequent tweeter during the whole rap beef to the point where, like, even the Kendrick Lamar subreddit gave up on things that Hiddl was tweeting because, like, he ain't all mad nerd. He just kept tweeting the whole time, Hiddl. Right? I actually really like GNX. I think

162:56KT: it was interesting that, you know, when you would look at the charts, like, obviously, Luther made a lot of sense. Squabble Up made a lot of sense that it was charting all the time. GNX was kind of that slow sort of burn, but I think I loved it as much as the other ones. Mhmm. But I I'm not sure what your what the temperature was for you guys, but it had the same sentiments, like, on the dead ones. Like, there there's some weight Yeah. To what we're talking about on this track. Right? Yeah.

163:26Cameron: Yeah. This is another one. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No. Go ahead, K. You got it. Just real quick. I just thought it was like one of the more like LA tracks. One of the more like, I'm on my real shit. I'll fuck you up.

163:41Cameron: Kind of kinda

163:42Cameron: stuff. And I was like, you know what? We need that. We need that for real. However, not my not my favorite beat, not my favorite track on the album, but this is kinda like that place in the album where if you're gonna put some it's like it's like the last schedule on SNL. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you like it, you know? And I I the posse that Yeah. I

164:13Countryboi: don't know The posse cut. All of that works for it, but I think that it's it's good that it's there. It is necessary. It's part of the theme. So it's not, like, falling away by the wayside to me. Yeah. It kinda reminds me, like I don't know if you remember back, like and I that's not all that long ago, but they used have those cuts where it'd be, like, 97 dudes on the track and it would be, like, thirteen minutes long and everybody would rap a little bit. Like, that's what this feels. And sometimes that works.

164:38Cameron: Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes that works.

164:42Jordan: Here But again, this this feels very much like another KT, like you were saying, like, Man at the Garden, who I would put that at at the number four. This feels like a very intentional Kendrick choice of, like, alright. You know, I know y'all I know y'all are gonna listen to The Heart Part 6, you know, no matter what. Like, this is the this is the track that you're gonna, know, be keying in on because you're gonna think I'm gonna talk about Drake,

165:05Jordan: know, some more on this one. So, like, you're gonna play this, and then here's the next song. Right? So you're gonna leave it on. And here's how I'm gonna feature all of these people. Right? And so I think hearing hearing how this album has affected basically all of their careers Yeah. You know, like, I think I think this was all very intentionally. He knew what he was doing. So, you know, even if it's not the best song, you know, in his catalog, it is one of those songs that, like, it's gonna get streamed.

165:39Jordan: You know, it has a catchy enough vibe to it that, like, I think people Yeah. People you know, I mean, if you skip it, you skip it. But I think most people, you know, if they're just going through the album, like,

165:50Countryboi: I feel like you play on. You know? Yeah. If quality enough that it would either you either play on or it's one of those songs that'll grow on you like, you know, used to didn't like it, but now I kinda fuck with it. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not it's not it's not a throwaway, but it does feel like a bonus. Like, oh, yeah. By the way, check out my check out my guys. Yeah.

166:12KT: I know we've been on here for a long time, and I appreciate you guys staying with me. It's it's been a lot of fun, but I also know we've been taking a lot of time. We'll just quickly talk about Gloria. There's obviously so much to talk about the Super Bowl as well, but I I don't wanna take too much of your time. So happy to go as expansive or as cliff notes as you want. But Gloria, I really loved.

166:36KT: I think unless unless you're super tapped in or you're that much smarter than the rest of us, I don't think people realize it was the pen at the till the very end unless everyone is so much more superior. I was like, why are you doing this to Whitney? We already healed in Mr. Morale. What are you doing, Kendrick? But like, weaving through when again, it's it's even though you could say there isn't an overarching narrative to GNX,

167:05KT: it is thematic in the way that he tells narratives in particular tracks. And we see that in Gloria because it's always been there. Yeah. And she's a demanding bitch, you know, like Right. He needed to put in that time.

167:19Countryboi: It's been my pimp.

167:21Cameron: Like, that's that's it's like, it's it's such a great period, you know? It is such a great, like, that's it. That's my That's a fountain pen. That's a that's an expensive full stop. Right? You know? It it's like, this is my this is my ink and this is what my ink has shown. It's like, look at my work. Go ahead. Look. Check check my work, you know? Mhmm. Because it's always it's always like this and it's always this potent and it's always this, like, you know, it's this worked hard for. Mhmm.

167:55Cameron: Yeah. I I put the work in because I know the product is worth it.

168:00Countryboi: And Mhmm. It's

168:01Cameron: I I just feel like this is no sweeter gesture than any other. You know? Mhmm. So I I got I kinda got the hiccups, so I I'm like, on it,

168:15Jordan: pulling it back. Yeah. I think, you know, for him, you know, another another Nas type tribute. You know, this felt very much like a like a song that Nas would make. But, also, you know, I think he is you know, like like, I think a lot of guys of his generation start to really, you know, think about their legacies at this part Right. Of their career where they're they're starting to consider, you know, like, what what is my not even my long term, you know, endgame, but just kinda like,

168:53Jordan: yeah, dog. Like, I've been doing this for, you know, this amount of years. And, like, I am almost 40 years old and, like, you know, certainly, there's Black Thought and, you know, other folks out there are rapping well into their fifties and, like, even better than, you know, maybe they had been in the past. But at the same time, it's like, am I gonna do this forever? You know? Like, am I gonna be how many of these do I have in me? You know? Our our our friend Jermaine threatens to retire every other album,

169:24Jordan: and then he comes back. But, like, you know, there's there's certainly a I could see a a maybe not a Black Album for Kendrick, but I could certainly see a a day where he says, yeah. I, you know, I did I said what I had to say. And, you know, maybe I'll come back in, like, seven or eight years or whatever. But, like, you know, I'm gonna put a definitive, like, stamp on this. So I think I forgot everything from Kendra Goodson's retirement.

169:53Countryboi: Might be the last one we get from him. I don't know what Honestly

169:57Cameron: and you know what? Sometimes I'll be like, that's okay. You know? Like Yeah. If it's this this track and we end on this track and we end on this body of work, it's like, damn. Look back. We got we we were we were lucky. We were pretty lucky. Yeah. Were lucky.

170:12Countryboi: Lucky. Yeah. We

170:13Jordan: But I think he's also again, same way it started with black Wacced Out Murals, you know, mission statement. I think this is, you know, the the bookend to that where he's kinda Yeah. You know, stay because it's this is this is the first pgLang album for him. Yeah. But I think, you know, it's also like, I'm I'm getting started on a new chapter. Chapter. You know what I mean? I'm getting ready, like, you know, everything that happened before isn't the past, you know, but, like, I have

170:45Countryboi: Am I right? I have

170:47Jordan: yeah. I've got I've I've got new directions to move in. And It's Dragon Ball g and Knicks. Yeah. Hey.

170:54Countryboi: Hey. He's definitely he's definitely not gonna be Boldy James and and and drop, like, three albums in a month. Like, are you on IRS? What is happening? Yeah.

171:04Jordan: Some some something of that sort I could see being true. But Right. I think well, yeah. I mean, he's certainly he's going to I don't know. I don't know how long I guess that's that's something to post to everybody. Like, do you think not this is the last we've seen a Kendrick for a while, but, like, do you think that post GNX, is he gonna take another extended break, or do you see him releasing any more music this year?

171:34KT: Well, it's also the Grand National Tour. Right. He's starting. He also added Europe. If I don't have US money, I don't have Europe money. Kendrick, please. Please get a little bit closer. Do an Asian tour. I'll find my way over to Asia. So there's that. There's also the film, but he might not do a lot of press for that in July.

171:55Countryboi: You're Right. Or for July. You get a full film. I don't think you get anything else from him. Like, I don't Ever? Kendrick Kendrick Kendrick an introvert who likes to make music but doesn't like everything else that comes with it. The publicity, talk to the people, the videos. And I it seems if and when you look at the behind the scenes and you see people talking, hey. I'm having a great time, and Kendrick's just like,

172:33Countryboi: I'd rather be anywhere else than this. Mhmm. Yeah. I get him. I I feel it. And I and I I feel like he has to go back to his cave to recharge. And that's where that's what he's going to do. He's gonna go go recharge, and you're not gonna hear from him for a while until someone else pisses him off or they say, you know, Beetlejuice three times or whatever. Whatever summons Kendrick.

172:55KT: But I think he's an artist. I think and I think we also talk about that with rap and hip hop and what does that look like. I think if you were using the art form as an art, you will always have something to say. There will be time where you need to gather back into yourself, spend time with your family, whatever you need to do. But there will always be that door open to that artistry. I wouldn't be surprised

173:19Countryboi: if he is constantly making music even through these long hiatuses. And he had some vault somewhere full of, like, hundreds of tracks. And we like I would say that's probably the truth. Yeah. That he'd had he's putting out all this music, but he probably has similar mounds of music. He just not dropping them as mixtapes.

173:41Jordan: You know? I mean, we heard True. untitled unmastered. You know? And that was all his Yeah. His throwaways from, you know, To Pimp a Butterfly. And that was an album in and of itself. I think Yeah.

173:53Countryboi: That's why your last one on accident. One album. Then then then LeBron was like, yo. You should drop an album. He's like, hey. By the way, here here.

174:00Cameron: Shout him out.

174:01Jordan: So you want peace? Alright.

174:03KT: I love He could if he wanted to. I love how we're, like, all commiserating because we kind of accept that Kendrick's gonna go away for a bit. But we we know it doesn't take away, and it's still a building sort of legacy. And and I guess this comes greatly into the Super Bowl because it wasn't those hits. I don't know where you guys were leading up to the Super Bowl. It was, like, just before lunch time. I think it was, like, 11AM. And I don't know what's up with American football

174:32KT: because it's a sixty minute game, but it goes for three hours. So I couldn't even coordinate the actual time when I would need to be available. It it is

174:42Countryboi: about an hour and a half in ish. Of like, the game the game is is sixty minutes, but it's really about three and a half hours long. There's a lot of football games. Football

174:53Cameron: games are like that. All American football games. But all of them are like that. They're all they're all, like, three and a sixty minute game. No. It's not. It's not a sixty minute game. No. No. It's, three and a half hours. Yeah.

175:03KT: I was I was trying to coordinate the time. I was on my way to a press junket for the Bridget Jones film, which has nothing to do with anything. But like I was saying to Cameron and Jordan, they they didn't sample. They played Al Green's song. That is a sample from 6:16 in LA, how wonderful Yep. Thing love is.

175:21KT: Yeah. Yeah. And I was expecting Kendrick to be whispering off white sunset at the marina when I was in that little media screening. But it has nothing to do with Kendrick, but it was the same day. And I had a, like, a double slice. I had, like, a twelve minute interview with the director. But this Super Bowl was the best twelve minutes of my life. Yeah.

175:40KT: Full show. Full show. We came home. I obviously had work to do. Oti had work to do. So we actually didn't watch it until, like, 5PM. I muted all socials just, like, to pop out. I didn't wanna see another. I didn't even know that the set list was being leaked because, again, I had blocked everything. I wasn't looking Mhmm. Right. At any of the socials. But feel free to share your experiences watching it.

176:04KT: I just wanna hear everything, but it also depends on how much time you guys have.

176:04Cameron: Yeah. I might actually have to go because I got the hiccups,

176:11Cameron: and I don't know why. And I also haven't eaten.

176:11KT: I'm like, thoughts before you Yeah. Yeah. Go go ahead. Yeah. Go Go ahead.

176:11Cameron: Yeah. I I I will say this the Super Bowl was one of my favorites. Right? Like like of all time. Not not just because of the production value, but honestly because, like, it felt like he took it and turned it into a full show in in a way that, like, Beyoncé would or in a way that, like, a real superstar would.

176:41Cameron: And it didn't feel like just, like, we're playing the hits or or the other end of the spectrum, which is we're only playing GNX or and, like, it is about Not Like Us, but then when it became about, like, Not Not Like Us, it actually felt like the earned moment it should have been. Mhmm. Samuel Jackson, like, come on. Yeah. You can do no better. You can do no better as Uncle Sam with Donald Trump watching in the stands like that. I needed that. I needed Donald

177:16Cameron: Trump to be be be looking down at whatever was going on down on stage and know that it's aiming for your head, boy. It's aiming for your head, boy. You know? You know he was You know he was Ill. Just ill. Yeah. And and all these black men in the in the, you know, the flag hoodies. Like, you gotta eat that, bro. You gotta eat that because you can't say nothing about that. And then, you know, the pièce de résistance,

177:44Cameron: say Drake to the to the camera is like filthy work. It's filthy work. Because whether or not he's watching it or not, he's talking to you. Well, his team. There's there's a video of his team watching it in Melbourne. Oh, god. Oh, god. But I also I I wouldn't have nobody watching it. Another plane. Another plane. Yeah. Exactly.

178:06KT: But I was also saying to Oti, like, not that not that I would ever think Oti would find himself into Drake's entourage, but, like, as a black man, like, how do you feel watching this happen and you're a part of Drake's

178:19KT: team? Like, that must be wild. But I know you need to go, Cameron, unless you wanna answer that.

178:19Cameron: Bills gotta get paid. Bills gotta get paid. Alright. Sorry. It's just, you know, it's late out here. I got I do gotta eat. I haven't eaten all day. And I got the hiccups for some reason. So I gotta go cure that. And that's not real That's

178:37KT: Thank you so But

178:39Cameron: been a pleasure, fellas. Been a pleasure. KT, thank you for having me again. And, you know, we we got to do it again. We got to chop it up again. Uh-huh. Absolutely. That's all that means.

178:48KT: Thank you so much. K.

178:50Jordan: K. K. Hit me up hit me up later. And we'll talk

178:50Cameron: got it, Jordan. Yeah. Alright. Thank you.

178:57Cameron: Alright. Peace, for sure.

178:59KT: Jordan, Countryboi, I won't keep you guys too much longer as well.

178:59Guests: No. That's alright.

178:59KT: But do you wanna who wants to go first about the Super Bowl show?

179:10Jordan: I could go. I think, you know, it's very reminiscent of his Grammy performance, which I think a lot of people either I mean, it would it because it's a weird one because it it's one you can't really watch, Like, the Grammy performance, I don't think I because they pulled it from YouTube? Or Yeah. I don't think it's, like, the I don't think it's on the official Grammy site anymore. But it was very much, like, anytime he's been given a platform like this, you know, he usually does something like this. Like, he usually

179:46Jordan: takes the opportunity to make a larger statement around it. And I think, you know, while a lot of it had to do with him and Drake, you know, and he certainly

180:00Jordan: Some of that into it. Like, there's an interview with DJ Mustard where, you know, like, he's he's on the stage, like, watching, but he's not in the shot yet. And he gets the part where, you know, he's like, you know, I wanna play their favorite song. It's like, but I know they like to sue. And, like, Mustard was like, that wasn't in the rehearsal. So he just did that on TV. So so, you know, even as it was happening, I think a lot of people were like, woah. Like, he's really

180:31Jordan: he's really going all in. And it and it is very much a to America situation because I think there are some people who watch that and had no idea what was going on and were very either confused or, like, you know, programmed to be upset because An inside joke that they weren't in on, and they hated what they did. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he absolutely knew that, but it's also, like, people were trying to again,

180:57Jordan: you know, some mostly people in the Drake camp, but people are trying to oh, you know, this wasn't that exciting of a Super Bowl. Like, he didn't play. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this, that, and the third. Like, it wasn't as as fun or, you know, like, it's a like, the Super Bowl halftime show is supposed to be, you know, entertainment. Everybody feel entertained. Yeah. And it was like, well, I mean,

181:20Jordan: I don't think y'all remember a lot of these Super Bowl performances because me and Cameron went back to the last, like, 10 Super Bowl performances, and it's like, how many of these do you actually remember? You know, like, how many of these were you actually talking about? Like, nobody remembers the Katy Perry Super Bowl. They just remember Left Shark. You know what mean? Like, they're not thinking about, like, the actual performance and the music.

181:42Jordan: You know? So, like, I I found this to be who on there? White Melville? They had The Who on there. The people think about the Maroon 5 one, but or the Coldplay one, but the Coldplay one is the one where Beyoncé hijacked it, and everybody thinks that And Bruno Mars is there as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Beyoncé, you were looking at Bruno Mars. You were not looking at Chris Martin? Yeah. No. Nobody's watching Coldplay. So that's that's the thing. It's like, this was as entertaining as

182:09Jordan: anything else. My only very small minuscule critique is that I wish he woulda had an actual marching band for Not Like Us and TV Off. Because I feel like having, you know, like, a band playing the horns on those songs live is like Yeah. That shit woulda hit even harder. Yeah. But that's the only thing that I'm like, man, I wish you woulda done that. But everything else was like, damn. Like

182:09Countryboi: Which is funny because there

182:40Countryboi: was a marching band there because they played earlier. I I saw I think it was

182:45Jordan: Well, and he had a band in his the Apple teaser for the Yeah. For the show. There was, like, a marching band, like, walking by, warming up. So I think that's why everybody thought that was gonna happen. But It's right there. Yeah. It's right there. Everything else is like No. No. You know? I I could, yeah, I couldn't ask for more. You know? And even people were talking about the bootcut jeans, people talking about, you know, the breath control, people talking about, like, just his ability to do that whole thing live,

183:17Jordan: you know, and, like, no mistakes. Right? Like, he just went from start to finish, ran through. And, you know, very very it's almost like a charming thing at this point where he forgets the words to Euphoria. And he just, like, gets back on it.

183:37KT: He was so sassy with his hip. I was dying. I was dying. And you know, when we're watching it, Oti was very because he's very much like, let's just sit here. He was like, we're just gonna sit here. We're not gonna rap along. We're just gonna watch it. And I started jumping around. I was like, in front of the TV. I was having a good time. But I think when it comes to it, I don't know about you guys, but I wasn't thinking about, oh,

184:02KT: the whole of America, and I guess the rest of the world is watching this. I didn't care whether people didn't understand it because I was having such a good Yeah. Mhmm. Time with it. It wasn't until after when, I guess, I went back on social media What is this? And then people were saying what they were saying.

184:18Countryboi: It was it's a distinctly American American white people thing where they, like, are so used to being centered that when something is not explicitly for them, they feel like it's their rights are being trampled on. They're being discriminated against or like, everything should include us. And, like, I hate to tell you, but this was not for you. And it was it's funny because when Jay-Z came on board with the NFL, said he was gonna start working to help get acts. And I didn't know what that meant. I was like, yeah.

184:53Countryboi: We'll see. We'll see. Next year, gonna have Coldplay Coldplay and The Who and whatever whatever look white artists. But I have to say that they had been really black, and it's been like a progression of blackness to the point where we got here. I was like, I don't know if they're gonna have us let us do this. Yeah. They're gonna let us continue to do this anymore. It's gonna be Bryan Adams next year, baby. Right.

185:17Countryboi: Right. Taylor Swift is definitely gonna be in the building. I felt like it was gonna be that after after LA. LA was, like, super black. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, Rihanna. They had Rihanna and Usher. And there was somebody in between. Is it Beyoncé?

185:30Jordan: Usher. The Weeknd.

185:31Countryboi: The Weeknd. The Weeknd. Yeah. That was a leftover. You can throw that one away.

185:36KT: But they sell out of Canadians, so it wasn't like they were saying you can't be non American people. Right? Just

185:42KT: not you.

185:42Countryboi: Right. Yeah. And it's it's funny that people say that because I I don't know. Chris Brown talks about how he was asked that he turned it down, and Drake says he turned it down. And I'm like, nah, bro. You won't ask because anyone who gets asked to do the Super Bowl, you you you onboard because it's free publicity. Why wouldn't you? Yeah. You know, went all of her singles with with charting. She would you know, her

186:07Countryboi: album started charting again. It's easy money. You would absolutely do this if you had a chance. And if you don't have the money for the production, you find the money because you're gonna get it back anyway. And and Oh, yeah. Understanding is that they pay man, I don't know what their negotiations look like. I know they don't pay the artist, but they they my understanding is they pay for the production. They'll let you do what you want.

186:29Countryboi: Like, I don't know. I don't know if it's a blank check, but you pretty much get to make what you you know, the idea that your vision.

186:34Countryboi: And and you can see that a lot with Kendrick here is that he's putting together his his total his total vision. I do have a bit of a critique of Kendrick. I I probably should've said this earlier when everybody I love that we came to the yeah.

186:34KT: Friends and lovers that stay till the end. Yeah. Okay.

186:34Countryboi: Yeah. Stay till the end. It's like a it's like a nugget or but, yes. Kendrick's Kendrick's messaging or his entendres are so coded

187:01Countryboi: Mhmm. That the message is lost a lot of times. And that if I have to go read some book from 1926 or have watched this this French silent film to understand what you're trying to say here, it don't it means nothing. It has little to no meaning. So, yes, this is great.

187:01KT: You as in everyone, collective you? Or

187:01Countryboi: No. I mean I mean, as in most people. Most people have a seventh grade

187:01KT: Bamboozled,

187:34KT: and people don't like it because it's too confronting.

187:36Countryboi: I I think that your messaging needs to be way more straightforward. I I feel like it needs to be more on target and less obscure to, you know and the Super Bowl wasn't like that. Super Bowl with Uncle Sam is like, right on brand. But when you start talking about Squabble Up or a lot of his videos and they're like, oh, well, this was from this I I see what you're saying. Ten second video is a is a homage to this right here. That's that's a lot. It's a

188:09Countryboi: lot.

188:09Jordan: Well, I will say, I mean, it's it's interesting and slightly ironic that I don't know if you guys have seen this. There's been a renewed interest in the Josie and the Pussycats movie. What? Because it's very much if have you have you No. Have either of you seen the movie? No. Mm-mm. Yeah. It's very much the plot of the movie is that Josie and the Pussycats get put into, like, this huge record contract because the record label is, like, evil and, like,

188:41Jordan: siphoning off and killing off their bands to put new bands in because the music doesn't matter. It's all filled with subliminal messaging and, like, you know, getting people to buy products, and it's really not about anything. You know? And so Josie and the Pussycats eventually, like, break free through the power of friendship and, you know, whatever. But, like, the the movie itself is very much just, like, super sharp satire just about, like, consumerism. Yeah. And I feel like, you know, like, Kendrick's Super Bowl halftime show was very much just, like,

189:18Jordan: a very upfront satire of, like, the way that a lot of people view America and, like, a lot of the things that people just generally continue to tell themselves about, oh, it's the greatest country on Earth and, like, everything is fair. And, like, you just gotta work hard and, like, do Right. You know, this, that, and the third. And it's like Is it For some people. Yeah. Yeah. For some people, there's the game, you know, but

189:46KT: Well, it's layered, and you can take whatever slice you like. Right? Yeah. Because there's something for everyone.

189:52Jordan: Yeah. Well, because his Grammy performance, like, was was labeled as a satire by Kendrick Lamar. You know what I mean? So, like, I think he's always thinking about these things in terms of, like, how he can get it across and very much agree that, like, sometimes it's just like, man, that was dead. It's like, man, he really Yeah. You know, layered it on there. But I think he's also, you know, very much somebody who, ironically enough, again, Dave Free was the creative director of the Super Bowl

190:21Jordan: Yeah. Along with Kendrick, and I think they both have a very sharp eye for,

190:26Countryboi: you know They seem to be putting in the social.

190:29Jordan: Yeah. They know how to inject that social commentary into, you know, a layered entertainment, you know, kinda give you your your medicine along with, you know, the the sweets. So

190:40KT: I I haven't seen the Josie and the Pussycats, but I've seen the BET biopic of TLC. So I understand Yeah. Yeah. How contracts don't work for us.

190:40Countryboi: Well, it's always funny. People talk about

190:52Countryboi: to TLC, talk about No Scrubs, and they were making, like, what, a $100,000 collectively over the entire group? Like Yep. Well, it's That doesn't seem fair.

191:01KT: Yeah. No.

191:03Jordan: It's it's wild because I think that's the other thing that Kendrick is kinda alluding to is, like, you know, a lot of these guys, specifically, you know, guys that came in after him, you know, it's it's really everybody's a crab in a barrel. Right? You know, just trying to get whatever is left over, you know, because from a record label standpoint, you know, you are, yeah. You know, you're gonna get the crumbs that are left over. Like, Mick

191:33Jordan: Jenkins has a new song. I forget the exact lyrics that he has, but it's like, you know, a a billion streams doesn't even get you, like, $10, you know, or something along that line. You know what I mean? Like, a lot of people are kinda chained to these labels. Ironically enough, here's Drake

191:50KT: trying to sue himself out of a record deal. Like, this isn't fair. And it's like, it hasn't been fair for a lot of people. It's just because it's not fair for you now You. That you've got a problem with them. Right?

191:50Countryboi: I think Jelly I was watching Jelly Roll talk about how

192:04Countryboi: you get this advance, and it's basically like a business loan. And then they take, like, 90 or eight sometimes it's a ninety ten, but a lot times it's like eighty twenty. And then that advance you get is taken out of your 20% that you give you. Like, so you sell a million records, and you may only get, like, that 20% of that million records sales.

192:25Countryboi: And then now they're taking their money off the top, and they just hand you what's left. Like, oh, here's your $3 that you made for your, you know, platinum And you owe us 50¢. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

192:25KT: But I think that's I think that's part of the it's the unfortunate it's inevitable most of it

192:41KT: because of the consumerism and the capitalism, but I think it's also reinjecting it back to traditional media that is the problem. Right? That's kind of the problem with that. I think I'm pretty sure it was on the bigger picture with DJ Hed, Jeremy Hecht, and Elliott Wilson as well where they talked about and also, company man has some great cultural streams. It might have been on there and DJ Hed was on there. But in any case, DJ Hed was talking about 80%

193:03KT: of the Super Bowl Super Bowl halftime show was GNX, which we talked about being Kendrick's first album or mix up, whatever you wanna call it, with pgLang. And that's why it's so important to own your music outright. You can license it because there's only three or four companies that Mhmm. You're able to distribute it through, but you need to own your own shit. And that's obviously not as easy for a lot of people but it's yeah. But even to have Kendrick have that is also emblematic

193:31KT: of his journey. And I guess if he is to have some sort of movement, it's that as well. And I think it's because we are watching Spike Lee as well. It's very interesting watching even the Super Bowl halftime show with Uncle Sam as Uncle Sam. But because it wasn't on DSP, so I didn't realize it was the teaser. I was like, oh my goodness. Is this like an untitled unmastered. that I'm forgetting about? In fact, that was at the start when it was on top of the GNX.

194:00KT: And I think that's part of yes. Usher's big. Yes. Rihanna's big. But they can hide, not in a bad way, but they they they pop. Right? To a lot of mainstream America, they're pop, and they're not threatening in that way. Right? Like, you're black, but you're not that black. You're singing the songs that I've heard on the radio a 100 times. Kendrick was on top of a GNX rapping. He was just straight rapping Yeah. For the first two to three minutes and that clown car of the dancers,

194:29KT: everyone was coming out. And then you have Uncle Sam's and his commentary is, I guess you can talk about having that sort of narrative of Mhmm. I guess Kendrick sort of feeling about himself, about the industry, you know. I think that Uncle Sam was saying it's too ghetto. Right? Like Yeah. Mhmm. You're scaring them. Play your hits. Right? Then he has Humble. That's where you have the American flag formation.

194:55KT: I'm just very quickly going through it. And then you also have Uncle Sam being like, you brought your homeboys with you when he did Man at the Garden. I lost my shit. What artist can and does choose to do a track like Man at the Garden at the Super Bowl? Nobody.

195:09Countryboi: That's fucking balls. No one else would no no one else would do that. Yeah. And he called it the And that's and they're like like I said, they still complained that he didn't he didn't play all the hits.

195:17KT: Yeah. But it it I think it was more than that. But I guess if people wanted to be entertained, I think it kind of it dilutes the impact of the rap beef, isn't it? Mhmm. Because we talk about bringing to center, and the center's not even centralized. It's regional.

195:32Countryboi: Yeah. Yeah. So I I heard complaints about, you know, making the Super Bowl about his beef also. Like, was too much about it's too much Drake.

195:32KT: Too much about Drake, which I

195:44KT: would argue against, but whatever. But it's emblematic. Right? It it is Drake because it happened to be Drake.

195:51Jordan: Yeah. But I think when you when you look at it, you know, like, he played Not Like Us five, six times at the Pop Out, like, back to back to back to back to back. You know? So, like, he could've done that again, you know, if he wanted to. He could've he could've just, you know, played it on repeat. But I think he took a very intentional approach to things to, like

196:20Jordan: you know, he did tease it, and he was like, hey. You know, maybe maybe I'll do it. I don't know. You know? Kinda adding a little little drama to it of like, oh, is he gonna do that? But I think for him, you know, like, this was this was the ultimate checkmate, you know, like, icing on the cake. And, you know, he certainly, like, as the petty king that he is, he was not going to miss any opportunities to

196:48Jordan: take No. No. Parting shots on the way out, but I think he also recognized, alright. You know, I have a chance to do more here than just, you know Yeah. bury Drake a couple feet more. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Mhmm. So, you know, it was like, abs I'll absolutely take take those last couple of kicks at the dead body, you know, before I walk away. But Right. I've also got some other things on my mind too, and I think that was kind of the thing that

197:17Jordan: shows the kind of artist that he is. Right? Because, you know, like, a lot of people get that opportunity, and they say, great. You know? Like you said, KT, free advertisement, you know, gonna gonna announce the new album. You know? Does anybody remember that Justin Timberlake did the Super Bowl in, like, 2013, 2014? Like, I don't remember any of that. No. You know? But I think that's that's the kind of thing. We're not ruin the world tour. It's gonna ruin the tour.

197:47Jordan: You know, people come out and they say, hey. You know, this is my chance to kinda do all the hits. You know? Usher had a Vegas residency. You know? Like, Rihanna had a baby.

198:00KT: You know? What the hell? A$AP Rocky. Did you see A$AP Rocky diving on her Yeah. When he was when he was found not guilty? Also, A$AP Rocky announced his album. Drake's on there. Kendrick Lamar is on there. I think even Michelle Obama's on there. LeBron James is on there. How old in there? A$AP ain't done nothing in a while. I I thought he retired. I've been like Yeah. The track record was that was it with Daylight and J. Cole? That was a good one.

198:27Countryboi: If if if I had a Rihanna, I retired too.

198:31Jordan: Yeah. Fair. Yeah. I think he's, you know, certainly kinda taken it easy the last couple of years. But yeah. I mean

198:40Countryboi: yeah. I forgot when the last album came out. Side note. He he a 100% did that shit. Like, just

198:48KT: Allegedly. Allegedly.

198:51Countryboi: Everything that didn't everything important like, because you know, stuff's on camera. Everything important happened off camera. Like, all this the nasty stuff happened off camera. I'm like, bro, you did it. You had the gun. He got shot. Nigga, who else was there was nobody else there but you. Well, it was couple of people there.

198:51KT: You've got another podcast in you, Countryboi.

199:11Countryboi: I do. I do.

199:11KT: Unless that's also part of history as well. But I wanna thank you both so much for your time. I know we got very excited into the GNX album, which probably extended a lot of our time. But is there anything that you guys wanna I know we commiserated about probably not seeing Kendrick for a few years. Is there anything you guys want to,

199:34KT: I guess, summarize? Unless there's another reason to gather again. But is there anything you wanna capture off or even, like, recommend new artists that we might not be across or give us emojis that we should be across? Like, let's let I guess, let's just wrap this all up unless you have anything else to say about the Super.

199:52Countryboi: I don't. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah. I'm just listening to Kendrick and Griselda and old people rappers, old cocaine music.

200:06Jordan: Yeah. I mean, I think for me, I'm I'm just very interested in because I think I think he'll pop up again maybe on, like, you know, like a Baby Keem Yeah. Project or, you know, something like that. Like, I don't think he's gonna go completely dark, especially because I think he wants to to make sure that pgLang is, like,

200:30Jordan: in that spotlight. You know what I mean? And I know they do

200:30Countryboi: When it's yours, you treat it differently. Like, I feel like when he's when he's at top, he could take hiatus. Like, hey. I just owe you four albums. You get them when you get them. But now that it's your baby, you treat it differently. It's like that time you bought you bought your first car. Yeah.

200:47Jordan: Like, I think he wants to, you know, certainly pgLang is is a is a full service, you know, production company. They do a lot of different things. So I'm sorry. He's gonna have his hands in in more than music, you know, coming up. But at the same time, I think that the the the thing that we didn't really touch on with this album is, like, it feels like Kendrick is having fun again. Like, it feels like he really is, like, enjoying doing the music again. Not that he wasn't,

201:21Jordan: but, you know, like, Wacced Out Murals specifically was like, you know, Kendrick is having intrusive thoughts. Like, Kendrick is, like, really thinking about, you know, like putting him on wax. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he's he he got into a a dark place, which it seems like, you know, he worked himself out of, you know, which is all good. And, like, definitely, you know, shout out to, you know, anybody who's who's working on and taking care of their mental health, and it seems like he he did that and got himself back to a good place. But,

201:52Jordan: you know, this is very much just like a there's I think there's too much momentum here for him to just say True. Yeah. I'm good. You know what mean? Like, I'm gonna disappear completely. Like, I don't know if he'll have another full album, but I could see him, you know, having music, you know, either with other artists or, you know, just, like, dropping. Even, like, GNX, like, you know, the Mhmm. The deluxe edition, you know, with some extra, you know, tracks or other things here and there. Because there was that

202:28Jordan: Oh, yeah. Sorry. Oh, no. There was the fable Not Like Us remix that, like, everybody was speculating about and, like, I feel like, obviously

202:36KT: And the the Not Like Us Adonis remix as well. Yeah. Yeah.

202:36Jordan: Well,

202:41Jordan: there's the dead horse of it all, but I could see him, you know, maybe turning it into just more of like a straight up West Coast Yeah. Mhmm. Anthem. You know, like a Black Hippy.

202:52Countryboi: Yeah. School like, ScHoolboy Q with the that part where he had everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

202:59KT: Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

203:01Jordan: Yeah. So I think he'll I think he'll be around. But, yeah, we may not get another Kendrick off. Maybe we see Kendrick the executive. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

203:12Countryboi: As well. I think I think you could you could definitely see him take a bit of a backseat and start promoting his artists more. And typically, that requires you to get on a track with him to kinda boost credibility.

203:24KT: In other news, Ari Lennox has announced a new album, which I'm very excited for. I love me some Ari Lennox. Right? Because she was talking about, like, wanting out of Dreamville. And I guess they're acting right now after having to be publicly airing out. She also

203:40Countryboi: also Ari Lennox is a bit of a space cadet. I don't know what it is about, like Has to be. Like, making soul music and being just slightly off kilter. Because SZA SZA seems in that same vein. She's just like, yeah, a little over here. A little weird. They're conduit, you know, between us and the spiritual world. Yeah. Like like Badu. Like like like Badu. She had you wearing what what did what did you say? Knit bell bottoms? A knit bell bottom outfit?

204:10KT: I believe that Erykah Badu performed with Kendrick Lamar, was it? The BET. Even with Prince as well, apparently, Prince told him that he wanna watch him perform at his own house. And then out of nowhere, Prince is like, come up on stage. And that's when they started freestyle. There aren't many artists that OGs will give their sort of nod to, and Kendrick's one of those praise too. Artists.

204:10Countryboi: Well, and I and I think Barry he

204:34Countryboi: was very the way I'm looking for. Very Prince about the way he does things. He don't Yep. He don't sugarcoat. He not if he don't like what you're doing, he would just tell you that shit. So if he actually come to

204:34KT: You mean when Trey Songz try to do the tribute

204:50KT: of Purple Rain?

204:51Countryboi: Yeah. He was like Yeah.

204:56Jordan: I think it's you know, we didn't we didn't get to talk about it, but the Grammys of it all were Yeah. You know, like, people were genuinely happy for him. Like, his peers were like, yes. This is the best song of the year when we Yeah. Correct. We yes. We we all endorse this. And, like, again, was there some not so subtle shots at Drake by some people who seem to really enjoy the fact that Kendrick was was getting these Grammys? Like, probably probably not a coincidence,

205:28Jordan: know, that certain people were were excited for that. Right. But I think the the appreciation is genuine. You know what I mean? Like, think Yeah. Mhmm. Across genres, people look at and respect

205:41Countryboi: genuine, like, separate from the hate for Drake. Like, I also don't like that nigga, but I really do appreciate Kendrick. And they are, like, two different two different places. I can simultaneously do both at the same time.

205:55KT: Yeah. Yeah. No. I absolutely agree. Happy Black History Month, by the way.

205:55Guests: Oh, yes. Good month for me. It's my month. This is my month.

205:55KT: Brent, who isn't with us today in this recording, he does it he does black films for two months. He says fuck you guys for the shortest month, so he's gonna do it in March as well. This is going to drop in March

206:18KT: right after we do our Spike Lee and our Splooshies awards as well. But I wanna thank you so much for your time. Shout outs to Andre. Shout outs to Cameron. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you, Countryboi. This will come out in March, so not too far away. Is there anything you guys wanna plug if you want people to find you?

206:36Jordan: Yeah. You can find oh, okay. I'll go. I'll go ahead. You could you could find my podcast. I do it with Cameron. It's called White People Won't Save You where we deconstruct white savior films and recontextualize them through a black and POC lens. So we've talked about everything from Green Book to, we did some Australian films with KT. We've done, just some insane movies that, like, you'll never see, hopefully, because they're just, like, you know, like College Kickboxers, which is a a white man karate movie. Like, there's there's some wild stuff out there.

207:15KT: Lot of But we talked white people are going to Africa as well, isn't it? Ernest went to Africa, and we talked about that.

207:22Countryboi: Ernest went to Africa?

207:24Jordan: He sure did.

207:25KT: Ernest should've stayed his ass at home, probably. He she really should've.

207:30Countryboi: Ernest Ernest was the first viral star, man. It's a it's a wild story.

207:36Jordan: But, yeah, if you wanna get in touch with us, you can find us on, Instagram and TikTok at White People Won't Save You Pod. You can also hit us up at our email, whitepeoplewontsaveyoupod@gmail.com. We'll have some new episodes coming out, trying to start a book club, trying to start a film club. So keep in touch with us, and we'll we'll have all that stuff going. Dope.

207:56Countryboi: That is dope. I guess it's my turn. Yeah. Before I get out of here, I wanna talk about how the Green Book was asked and then not about the Green Book at all. And it's so this is me all so much that you don't like, you named it the Green Book and then didn't talk about that shit at all. Nope. Anyway. Not once. Oh, not It was never but it was never about nothing.

208:18KT: Yeah. That was about Viggo Mortensen and his fried chicken. That's what the film was. They're like,

208:24Countryboi: this nigga drives me around and that's the movie. Like, because that's what it was. There's nothing about the Green Book. It just happened. Anyway I need to hear your thoughts on Sinners when it comes out, by the way. Oh, I can't wait. You know that you so I was wondering why it feels so familiar familiar because the guy from Bitter Root I don't know if you're familiar with the comic Bitter Root. Mhmm. But it has a similar

208:48KT: I was like, Yoda's Yoda's comic book guys, by the way.

208:52Countryboi: Oh, are you?

208:54Jordan: Yeah. I've done I've written some things for for DC and for Image and some other places. So You better talk your shit. Stop being humble.

209:02Countryboi: You will be a you will be a Hello, son. Very very very humble to a guy who who loves who loves comics. Who's a big fan of comic. But yeah. I was wondering why I posted familiar. And the guy was like, you know, this is not about Bitter Root. But I was like, this is definitely inspired by your work. And that alone had me like, yo. I'm in. I'm in. That's all I needed to see. Michael B. Jordan. I didn't realize there were two people for a while.

209:29Countryboi: Okay. Good. I'm in. I'm in. I can't I can't wait to watch it. I can't wait to watch it. I'm also looking forward to your thoughts on Malcolm X and what you thought about Malcolm X because it's it's it's pretty faithful. It's it pretty

209:41Countryboi: the it hits all the notes. All the notes. Like, the the in between is exaggerated for, you know, cinematic effect, but for the most part, it hits all the major notes

209:41KT: in the interesting watching the Sinners trailer. Sorry, guys. Very quickly, was interesting watching the Sinners trailer after watching Malcolm X, him in the dance hall with those white ladies. And I was like, oh, Michael B. Jordan, where are you going? Yeah. Yeah. But Ryan Coogler talked about That was that was Conch. That was Conch on Mount. Yeah. Ryan Coogler talked about his

210:10KT: grandfather and his uncle being inspirations, like, from the South, and I'm just very excited. I don't know if it's on YouTube, but we're invited to a exclusive press trailer preview when they showed us a Cornbread scene, which I don't know if it's actually on YouTube. But that in and of itself, all we need to talk about. Sinners is very exciting. Kendrick's film is gonna come out in July. After watching Bamboozled, it's always interesting seeing the lens Yeah. Of Black Stories. So it's gonna be a very exciting time, friends and lovers. Make sure you're subscribed

210:44KT: all over. Countryboi, I don't even know if you plugged where to find you.

210:48Countryboi: You can find me on onemichistory.com.

210:51Countryboi: I put out Black History episodes all all the time. I'm continuously working. Come check us out.

210:51KT: It's fine. It'll be in the it'll be in the show notes as well. Yeah. Leave leave Andre alone. He's doing his father time. You don't need to find him unless he pops out, and you can find him. Also, Home Video Hustle. They also did a Malcolm X episode, and Anita actually started reading the autobiography. I think she was, like, three, four chapters in. So it was interesting hearing their episode as well.

211:19KT: Motherfuckers, friends, and lovers, you know where to find us anyway. You're already listening to this podcast, but thank you so much. If you don't mind, if there is another cultural moment, I will hit you guys up. Yeah. But thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.

211:19Guests: Yeah. Of course. Thank you. Y'all take it easy.

211:19KT: Yep. See then, guys.