Archer – Tinnitus the night for RAMPAGE!

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0:00KT: It's another week in the For Your Reference household and we have Your Phrase or Mine. And Oti has got our phrase as the wise wise sage.

0:10Oti: Alright. So this is from this is a Gaelic proverb. For the wee baby Seamus. And it goes like this. A cat in mittens won't catch mice.

0:23KT: I always take it on the intrinsic sort of perspective and I always get it wrong. But, you know, if you don't stick by yourself, then who's going to support you? Right? I'm going to say that, you know, if you're self regulating yourself, you're not being your true self.

0:23Oti: Kind of, actually.

0:23KT: No way. You're kidding.

0:48Oti: Well,

0:48KT: Seriously?

0:48Oti: Actual meaning is being careful and polite doesn't always get things done, which is kind of the same thing as being self regulated.

0:58KT: Do you hear that? My point five fans are cheering for me right now. Are you serious? I actually won one?

0:58Oti: Yeah. You did.

0:58KT: Hoorah. Hoorah. Well, we'll decide whether we pack up and go home, but let's head on to the show. Welcome back to For Your Reference, guys. I hope you've got your paddles ready and you've got a bear claw because today, we are covering Archer. Archer. Danger Zone. What what? If you haven't watched Archer, where have you been? We can still be friends on on maybe acquaintances. How about that?

2:01KT: But get on to it, guys. You know, we're rolling into the last season. So Archer has been out since 2009. It currently has nine seasons. And very, very soon, the season ten premiere is going to come out. So it's a very good time to capture off how we feel about Archer in general and also the latter seasons as well. It's currently on the FX Network. And then later on in the series, it's now broadcasting from FXX. Yep. Yep. Coming out of the mind grapes of Adam Reed, who we fucking stan.

2:43KT: He is amazing. He did have Sealab 2021 as a previous series, and he has worked extensively on a lot of shows as well. So for any of you guys that need a recap of Archer, I will quickly go through that. Just understand that we drip in spoilers, so that's kind of our thing. That's our aesthetic. That's where we live. So if you haven't watched Archer, I don't think any sort of spoilers will ruin the Archer experience.

3:15Oti: It wouldn't. No. Archer with spoilers or without spoilers still remains a great show and something that has great rewatchable value because I've watched it what? I've watched the past five seasons about 10 times each.

3:15KT: Nice flex.

3:15Oti: Just just putting it in there. Yeah. So

3:38KT: if you miss us and you just wanna hear our bands, then feel free to listen. It's not going to ruin your experience if you haven't watched Archer. But let's capture it off. So Archer encapsulates the international secret intelligence service, which at the time was great, but as time moved on, wasn't great that it was called ISIS. Yep. Not to be confused with the horror and decisis. Yes. Which we're definitely not covering today, and hopefully, other podcasts do. But yes. So you have a spy agency, and at the helm, you have motherfucking queen, Malory Archer.

4:18KT: So we'll go into more detail, obviously, as the episode goes along, but she does head the spy agency. Her son, Sterling Archer, is I don't think he's even the best spy, but he is the playboy of the agency.

4:18Oti: He's he's he is definitely the best spy. He's he's competent. He's he's a good spy, but he comes with a lot of complications.

4:18KT: He does. And he comes with a lot of expenses and per diems

4:18Oti: True that.

4:18KT: As time goes on.

4:47KT: But let's let's let's run through the cast while we're at it. So seasons one to four follow this format of a spy agency. And by god, if your dick wasn't throbbing, it will. It's it's painful, but it's worth it. Trust us. So playing Sterling Archer, we have H. Jon Benjamin.

5:08Oti: Yep. Very, very unique voice.

5:12KT: Yeah. Who who would have imagined? Right?

5:16Oti: That's bloody ridiculous.

5:18KT: Bob's Burgers, which is another one he shows, which I'm really bad with voices

5:22Oti: and faces.

5:24KT: So I think you've got a great voice and a great face.

5:29Oti: When I started watching Bob's Burgers, I was like, fuck up. That's Archer. Right?

5:34KT: Mhmm. Yeah. So Well, it was one of those things as well because he plays the comic book guy in Family Guy, and I didn't realize that after years of watching Family Guy Mhmm. Until I obviously watched interviews. Yeah. So it's it's just one of those things, and then you just can't unhear it. But he has such a great voice. And dare I say, as the years go on, he's starting to look like Archer. Let's give him that much.

6:01Oti: Okay.

6:02KT: Whatever take. H. Jon Benjamin. We stand you. Yeah. Hey. The H. Jon SSR Martin. That's a crossover no one wants to watch. As Malory Archer, we have the legendary Jessica Walter.

6:20Oti: I think I watched when I rewatched Archer finally after having watched Arrested Development because going into Arrested

6:27KT: Which I got you to watch.

6:30Oti: Thank you very much for that as well.

6:30KT: You're welcome.

6:30Oti: It just added a different layer to Malory's character, and by god, it was amazing.

6:41KT: But it's also it's also one of those things and I do wanna talk about the influence later on in the episode in-depth. But when you when you got me to watch Archer, I'm like, dude, this is essentially Arrested Development. And I had to get you to watch it so you could actually understand what I was saying because I think you kinda dismissed Arrested Development as something that should be watched, and I'm glad you watched it.

7:09Oti: Yeah. I did. I I'm not sure why that was. I think I just saw it as

7:12KT: Maybe you're just a man and you don't like a woman telling you what to do. Speaking of a woman telling you what to do, we have Lana Kane played by Aisha Tyler, who we motherfucking stan. I know I'm saying I'm stanning everyone, but this cast is impeccable.

7:29Oti: The cast is sublime. Like, Aisha Tyler, we've had years and years of

7:37KT: And she had a podcast, which I hope that she revives because we are quite partial to the podcast in this household, as you might know. What was it called? Self Inflicted Wounds? Or at least she had a no. It was called Guy on Girl Mhmm. Or Girl on Guy. And she had a segment called Self Inflicted Wounds, which is pretty pretty good. You know? Podcasts aren't easy to do, and she did it effortlessly. So shout outs to Aisha. You know, if if you're a handful of listeners, thank you for listening. Next up, we have Cyril Figgis played by the immaculate Chris Parnell,

8:16KT: who also was in 30 Rock as doctor Spaceman. He's part of the SNL alumni. And most recently, he plays Jerry on Rick and Morty. Yeah. So he's kind of been typecasted as a crazy wackadoo sort of character. Just goes with his voice, I reckon. And you wouldn't wanna have him any other way. No. You wouldn't. But in the one way, you wanna have him. Hello. And then next up on the billing, we have Pam Poovey, who's played by Amber Nash.

8:50Oti: Never really knew much about Amber Nash going into Archer, and Pam just delivers on so many levels.

8:57KT: So good. So good. Pam is so good. It's so hard not to get into it now, but let's try and get through the cast list. Yeah? We also have doctor Krieger played by Lucky Yates, who's a good friend of Adam Reed. One of the things I love about doctor Krieger is he's actually not a doctor. His first name is doctor. So experimental wildness ensues. And possible clone of Hitler. Yes. So all of the German commentary pretty much gets pushed onto Krieger's character.

9:35KT: And there's there's so much to dive into, guys. So so let's continue on. We also have Ray Gillette, who is played by the creator of the show, Adam Reed.

9:47Oti: The the one thing I don't really like about Archer and what they've done is how much they've underutilized Ray, especially in the more recent seasons. Yeah. It just feels Ray is a really solid character and brings a lot to a lot to the show.

10:04KT: But I think at the same time, I don't think Adam was expecting Ray to be such a pivotal character because he's not even in the action sequence oh, not action sequence, the intro. He's not even credited as a character of the show. So he probably did it for shits and giggles, but then he probably

10:22KT: you know, he's he's doing other stuff. And we'll talk about this in a second, but he started to get tired of the format of the show. That's why things keep you know, timelines are moving and concepts are changing around. But, yes, I I love I love Ray's character. He's definitely one of the And there are so many Ray and Archer and also, obviously, Ray and Malory scenes that I do wanna talk about. But let let's leave the M for Mancy for a second. And he also voices Bilbo, which is hilarious because,

10:57KT: you know, Ray and Bilbo have an interchange as well. And then we also have, rest in peace, Woodhouse. Yeah. Played by George Coe. And not sure if it coincided, but George Coe sadly passed away.

11:14Oti: And that becomes a pivotal plot point for Archer. And the fact that they didn't really address it until the I think it was season eight. Yeah. But way way before then, I didn't even realize that Woodhouse had passed away. I think I was just so averse to googling shit about shows. And when I hadn't watched I hadn't seen Woodhouse

11:39Oti: in the show for several seasons, I was like, what the fuck, man? Like, he was a really solid character. Where did he go? And to later Google it and just find out that he had passed away was really gut wrenching.

11:52KT: I know. It was really sad. It's very solid character. But at the end of Dreamland, they do dedicate it in memory of him.

12:01Oti: Yeah. Yeah. And probably just to give the family time to grieve and which is respectable.

12:07KT: It's it's not easy. And we did have some gems that were Woodhouse centric, which we'll come to. And not not really part of the main cast, but I did wanna give a shout out to our man, Barry Yep. Who's voiced by Dave Willis.

12:28Oti: How good is Barry? Is this how you get ants, Barry? Oh, yes, sir, the Barry. This is how you get ants.

12:36KT: Just just outstanding. Outstanding. So seasons one to four followed that spy espionage sort of format, and, obviously, that will take you in crazy sort of directions. But it also it always had a centralized foundation for the show. Season five branched out into Vice, which was super key, Gar.

13:01Oti: It felt like a breath of fresh air when they did Vice. And I actually really, really, really loved Vice in how it just broke up the entire structure. Wasn't it? Yeah. It broke up the entire entire structure of what Archer was, and I thought, by god, they found a formula.

13:20KT: I think like anything in life, you know, if you've been doing something for a few years, you kinda need to shake it up a bit. Otherwise, it gets a bit stagnant. I personally could watch a 100 of Archer in that spy sort of format, But I do understand creatively, you know, you might wanna shake things up, so that's fine. And, again, yeah, exactly what you're saying. Vice was the reprieve that all of us needed. Viewers, Adam Reed, We really needed that. And what I will refer to in this episode are concept,

13:52KT: sort of episodes or concept arcs. Even before we got to season five, there were quite a few concept arcs or storylines that we had, but it always came back to the centralized theme of them being spies. Having a concept season in Vice was, like you said, a breath of fresh air. What we start to see moving on in this series is it kind of you you kind of lose center. Right? So let's continue. So we have Vice, which is super cute. They're in the cartel. I think that's where Christian Slater appears. Right?

14:34KT: And and whenever in whatever instance or in whatever orifice, if we can welcome Christian Slater, why not? Right? Yeah. Apart from when he's playing Mister Mercedes?

14:46Oti: Mister Robot?

14:48KT: Oh, yes. Sorry. Mister Robot? They're both leading creepy guys. What do you want me to do? Oh, yeah. Dime a dozen. Get it together. Yes. So in Mister Robot. Correct. But we don't we don't need to go through that pain today. We'll just go through Archer. Yeah. So Vice was really cool. And then season six, we kind of go back to the format. So it's good. You know? We're we're

15:14KT: leaving the nest, and then we're coming back to what everyone knows and loves. Oh, this is when ISIS has already been So they make it very clear. They make it very clear, and they actually have a big sign of ISIS that they you know, it it's very abundantly clear that they're pushing it out of the scene, that they're trying to distance themselves from that. So it's still operating as a spy agency, but they're more subcontractors for the CIA.

15:38Oti: Why do you think that is? Because I feel like ISIS as an organization should have just stood. I feel like one of the reasons why Archer well, personally, why it went downhill after that is just because they got rid of a lot of things that we loved about the show in terms of sentimentality. And if you've watched this from season one and if you hook to the whole intricacies of how they interact with each other Mhmm. It just gets swept under the rug, and it becomes this anthological type of show where it just disassociates itself from reality.

16:15KT: But I don't think them being subcontractors for CIA was the reason for that.

16:15Oti: Well, all I'm saying is

16:15KT: So let's let's acknowledge.

16:15Oti: It's one of the things that just

16:15KT: Let's acknowledge in the climate

16:15Oti: Like a domino effect.

16:15KT: But let's acknowledge that in the climate, it wasn't great to have your organization be called ISIS. So they had to address that. But that was

16:38Oti: they stayed like that for ages. No one was thinking, oh, ISIS? Is this the militant ISIS?

16:48KT: But my point is the core sort of writing was still the same. They just weren't called ISIS anymore.

16:52Oti: That CIA season was still good. I didn't like it that much, but it was alright.

16:58KT: Okay. Well, good for you. It it wasn't terrible, though. Like, stop blaming ISIS for everything. They've the the you can blame them for many things, but not for this season, Omahatcha. Okay? Let's just leave it at that because you seem to be hell bent on this topic. Season seven is where the gang moved to LA, and they opened up an agency called the Figgis Agency. Is it a basset hound?

17:26Oti: Yep. The droopy

17:28KT: the droopy little papa. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. So you have the figur Figgis Agency. So it kind of follows the same sort of format, but it begins to not begins because it has been for a while, but it deviates from, you know, the core sort of grounding, if you can even call it that in this universe, in Archer. So things things become a bit more nefarious, and it's it's hard to pin anything to the ground. So you've got the Figgis Agency. I think it's hilarious that

18:02KT: the reason why Cyril is at the helm is because he's really the only one with legitimate credentials. And say what you will about Figgis, but he's he's pretty solid in his work ethic and his girth.

18:22Oti: Yeah. We do know he has a big dick.

18:25KT: Okay. Well, you know, I I was trying to be a lady about it, but there you go. Ask Francois.

18:30KT: She'll tell you. And

18:35KT: then from season eight to season ten, we have like you said, it's essentially an anthology sort of approach. It's all within a dream sequence of Archer being in a coma because if you've watched the end of season seven, obviously, spoilers. If you're still here, this is on you if you haven't watched it, where Archer gets shot in the pool. So he's in a coma. Season eight captures Dreamland. Full disclosure, we can't we we gave up, and we kinda stopped watching Dreamland. Let's not lie to our friends.

19:13Oti: Yeah. So it took a lot of breaks to watch episodes back to back with Oh, you didn't even finish. Yeah. We'd watch half an episode and just stop it and come back to it months later to a point where we've not even really finished watching the whole of season eight.

19:29KT: And also season nine, Danger Island.

19:32Oti: Hopefully, that will change with the most recent season and just see how that goes with this final stretch.

19:39KT: Yeah. And then the well, it's it's quite ambiguous, but season ten will capture Archer 1999, which I believe is a reference to a TV show called Space: 1999. I do apologize. It's kind of before my time, guys. But, yeah, it it it

19:39Oti: Space Ghost?

19:39KT: No. Not Space Ghost, but that is Adam Reed as well. Mhmm. He contributed to that. But yes. So it's kind of a sci fi seventies, eighties sort of sci fi world. People are calling it the last season, but it might not be. The

20:19KT: the actual source that we have is that Adam Reed will not continue after season ten. So that doesn't mean it's the last series. And we know in the past with, you know, Community, for example.

20:32Oti: I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah. Like,

20:36KT: when the creator leaves, the show should die. But, you know, when a dime is to be made, it will continue, unfortunately.

20:44Oti: True. And and, actually, something that could continue fill theoretically for ages on. And it's I would continue watching if they found a basis where it's not this anthological thing and stories actually do matter. Sequences that happen throughout the whole show gets carried into a new episode or a new season with causes and effects rather than it just being someone's dream. Because I used to be beaten so much as a kid when I wrote a composition

21:17Oti: or a story, and then at the end, I just finished off I finished it off as, it was just a dream. It was all a dream.

21:26KT: Did you used to read Word Up magazine? Yep. So With Salt-N-Pepa in the limousine?

21:33Oti: Every every time I I I see I watch a story like that, I just get twitches, and it's uncontrollable. And I just feel, like, nervous, really.

21:40KT: Maybe you should write, produce, and directed by M. Night Shyamalan, and then you'll get an a.

21:46Oti: Yeah. Probably.

21:48KT: Do you think we'll ever cover M. Night Shyamalan in this podcast?

21:53Oti: Probably in his I haven't watched The Sixth Sense, as you know. We wouldn't cover Sixth Sense out because what I find interesting is if we could talk about his his Unbreakable Universe, like, there's Unbreakable, Split, and Glass. Do you remember watching or trying to watch Glass? I remember watching, but it'll be so interesting to try and delve into what made it tick and how he could have done it better.

22:23KT: Send your votes for an Oti only episode. Oh, we could just cover it, The Last Airbender, if you want.

22:23Oti: Yes, please. Can we do that?

22:23KT: Oh my god. I need way more wine if we're gonna do that, or maybe something stronger. Jesus Christ. So let's go back. Let's go back to Archer. So we've recapped what the show is about. Before we actually dive into the show, let's talk about, you know, where you were in your life emotionally, physically, when you first started watching Archer, and how, you know, the whole experience has been for you.

23:01Oti: So I didn't start watching Archer when it first came out. I think I had, like, four seasons to catch up on. By the time I realized there was a show called Archer, it was amazing amazing. So I think how I came how I stumbled onto Archer was reading Arseblog, which is an Arsenal based news site

23:26Oti: that just covers everything, and he usually just drops gems of what he watches and stuff, and he dropped a gem for Archer. And I was like, oh, I'll give it a go. So I got the first, I think, three seasons and just watched back to back on repeat for, I think, three weeks straight.

23:40KT: And where did where did you find Archer? Sorry.

23:45Oti: Arseblog.

23:47KT: Which is a football blog? Yes. Which is what you've been telling me for years, and I I'm just going to believe you. For the sake of for the sake of our foundations, I will believe that that's what Arseblog is. See a little Italian man with his sausage.

24:11Oti: Thou shall not judge. So regardless of whether it's an Arsenal football blog or something else, it doesn't matter. I still got a recommendation from it. Okay. Good on now. And I think that was one of the best decisions that I've ever made, and it was just amazing.

24:28KT: It was good. And I can't even remember when we started watching Archer together.

24:36Oti: No. I recommended it to you while we're still long distance, I think. And I told you, hey. Give the show a go. I think you'll like it. And I think after the first season, you just fell in love. I think not even the first season, first episode. It was you have kind of humor.

24:53KT: Yeah. Because I'm hilarious. Okay. Really? Do you wanna fight? I'll just say We will battle with words for I'm a wordsmith, and I will take you down, sir. Yeah. Because when I I would say that Archer has if we're not talking about animes, if we're just talking about, I guess, if you wanna call it Western sort of cartoons, Archer has the strongest voice cast ever. It does. Everyone has distinctive voices. And as soon as you hear them, you know some nonsense is going to come out, but you're going to enjoy it.

25:37Oti: True. I could close my eyes or be blindfolded and listen to Archer. Or if Archer was a podcast, I would understand everything that's happening and who's who's who and just get into the complete vibe of what Archer is.

25:50KT: I think that was part of the catfish because sorry, H. Jon Benjamin. But, you know, not knowing what he looked like and just hearing the voice of Archer and how beautifully it married together with the cartoon, It just I I would watch interviews of H. Jon Benjamin, and my brain would be stuck on 5% loading. Like, I just couldn't comprehend that this was Archer.

26:22Oti: I thought I thought it was just someone making up a voice. Like, I didn't think it actually talked like that. And to hear interviews of him

26:22KT: He, not it. It's also real. Right?

26:34KT: It's it's it's amazing. And I think one of the things in regards to H. Jon Benjamin is the voice that he offers in regards to Archer, he has this vulnerability about him, and you kind of need that. When you have a show where the protagonist gets into all sorts of frivolity, you kinda need them to be immature or have them with some sort of defect. Otherwise, there's no sort of graces that you would give to that character. Right? Because Archer is great, and he is flawed. And he's also

27:16KT: he it's pretty much what you see is what you get. He never really tries to bring an agenda, and he explicitly tells people that he's a secret spy. But you know what I mean? Like, have a protagonist like that

27:16Oti: The world best spy, just to be clear.

27:16KT: Oh, sorry. Sorry. Apologies. I think Ray would disagree, but, you know, that's another story. But you need that vulnerability, and the H. Jon Benjamin really brought that to the role as well. And, you know, who are we to say? You know, H. Jon Benjamin's

27:49KT: voice in Archer is our voice on this podcast. You know? Maybe no one wants to look at our faces.

27:55Oti: True.

27:57KT: Do we even have faces? Who knows? Tune in next week for another edition. But great. Just really good. Let's talk about the dynamic between Archer and Malory. Some of your best like, just off the top of your head, what are the best moments that you have with Archer and Malory or just Malory in general?

27:57Oti: I think even from the first episode, you you you're painting a picture of how

27:57KT: An Oedipus picture?

28:28Oti: Of how the relationship with Archer and the mom is. And you can see there's seeded I wouldn't say resentment. I would say it's seeded issues and seeded

28:41KT: Sexual tension?

28:43Oti: Yeah. Like, how Archer has a thing with Tables table tennis paddles.

28:51KT: Yeah. Ping pong paddles. And I don't think that's revealed until at least a couple of seasons that Malory used to spank him. Yeah. So that that's quite an interesting thing. If you guys ever wanna deep dive into your sexual fetishes, you can probably look back to your childhood.

29:11Oti: True.

29:12KT: That's ridiculous. Actually, it's in the pilot as well. I forgot what the mole's name is. But, essentially, the mole of the episode in the pilot, there's a standoff between Archer and that mole. And Archer gets an erection. He gets a sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Let's do a correction. He gets half of an erection thinking about his mom dying. And I think Lana feels it, doesn't she? It's just it's just ridiculous. And this isn't a sexual thing, but I do wanna call it out just to make sure it gets onto this episode.

29:55KT: I forget what the circumstances are in regards to this episode, but I think Archer is hungover. Again, that doesn't refine the possibilities that we have. But it comes to Archer and Malory outside of the dry cleaners, and Malory is going inside of a car. I think it was after baby Seamus. After after drawing the blood for wee baby Seamus.

30:18KT: And Malory is just sitting in the car, and Archer's like, no. No. No. No. I I didn't do the right thing, which turned out to be the right thing about him swapping the blood. Right? Yeah. And Malory was just poo pooing it, like, no. No. No. You're growing up. This is growth. And then she shouts to the driver, and if I wanted to sit around going nowhere, I'd be a teacher. I'm so sorry. We love all the teachers of the world, and your job is so vital. But fucking hell, I died. I died.

30:55KT: I just there are some really, really hilarious and, you know, the the part of what makes it hilarious is you know you shouldn't be laughing at it, and you you start to reflect on how rubbish of a person that you are. True. Fuck you, man. One of the best things. Let's triangulate. So we've got Archer, Malory, and Ray in one of my most favorite scenes in Archer.

31:21KT: Archer was in Malory's office, and he was looking for something. Do you remember what he was looking for in the

31:21Oti: Oh, vibrator.

31:21KT: Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. He was looking for key for keys. You know, in storytelling, you have what's called a a setup, a buildup, and a payoff. And you pretty much destroyed that. But, yes, what was he looking for?

31:48Oti: Why bother? I got excited.

31:51KT: You are so you are so season eight Archer right now. I got excited.

31:56Oti: Excuse me.

32:00KT: Okay. I I think it had to do with Nikolai Jakov, possibly. But let's let's just circle back. So you've got Archer in the office looking for something of Malory's calling Ray. Right? Mhmm. And he goes into a drawer, and he finds a purple dildo as most common garden varieties have, if you'll pardon the pun. And Archer closes the drawer, and it starts to vibrate, meaning he has to reopen it and turn it off. And it isn't until after. It isn't until after

32:43KT: Archer does this that Ray points out that there isn't a sink in the office. Oh, Ray is so devilish, and I'm fucking here for it. And he walks in with gloves, I think, after that. Yeah. Just out just outstanding. And, you know, Malory's whole I don't know if you call it a running joke, but because she's such a homophobe, the way that she treats Ray is kind of hilarious.

33:12Oti: It is.

33:14KT: It's just so cool.

33:16Oti: He sees Ray as less of man. Like Yeah. He just doesn't understand Ray. He desp she despises Ray pretty much. And the banter between the two is just impeccable. Like, you get one off snippets and shots at each other that just would make you pause the show and just laugh.

33:42KT: Yeah. Yeah. Just to give you some sense of reprieve. While we're on the topic of Ray and Archer, let's talk about the episode Skytanic, which is one of the best episodes in Archer with the Hindenburg sort of blimp. Right? Everything about that episode is hilarious. And I wouldn't even call it Archer's ignorance because even I thought, you know, those helium based sort of blimps were hazardous for fire, but apparently not. Right? So you have this running gag throughout the whole episode, and Archer pretty much, like, whacks a cigarette out of one of the dignitaries

34:22KT: because he feels like it's going to blow up. Mhmm. Right? And one of the best sort of sequences is at the end of that episode where they find the bomb, and they've called Ray to help them diffuse it. And Ray's got his little crisis vest on as well. It's a whole event, babe. It's a whole It is. And then you've got Archer, and this is such a pivotal crux of this series where Archer doesn't like feeling like he's not the smartest guy in the room.

34:55KT: And I don't know what I don't know what they call it. Is it alpha phonetic? Yeah. Yeah. Alpha phonetic. Yeah. So they've got that code that they're supposed to use. Alpha tango beta. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You a spy? Oh, yes. I am. Are you a sleeper agent? There are so many words. I I feel like I can trigger it right now. Penis.

35:20Oti: Not still here. That wasn't it. Double penis. Oh.

35:28KT: Cyborg penis.

35:29Oti: Okay. Now that's activating something.

35:33KT: Activating all the holes. So you Alright. I will get my writer's credit on Archer. Don't you worry. Let's go back. We're talking about the bomb. So Archer really doesn't like not being the smartest person in the room or making it so glaringly obvious that he doesn't know what he's doing. So when Ray says, you know, recite it to me in the alpha phonetic or whatever it is, because I'm I'm not sure if that's correct, Archer was like, okay. So he doesn't even know how to say Roger. He says, okay. And then he's like,

36:16KT: cut the I think he says the blue wire with the white stripes, not the white wire with the blue stripes. So, essentially, you have this whole sequence of Archer and Ray just essentially bickering with each other. And I was just like, no. I thought you meant okay as in okay. I will tell you the two letters now. And then you have him reciting the letters, and then he says, n for

36:51KT: well, what we thought was Nancy, but it kind of breaks the audio. So the first letter is actually dropped off. And then Archer says, you know what I'm talking about. And, naturally, everyone thinks it's Nancy Yep. Until we get to the end of it, and it's Mancy? So it's some homophobic term that only Archer uses for himself. And then, you know, even during that call, Ray's like, Archer. Archer's like, what? He's like, you see how annoying that is? Yeah. So good. And then you have the double cross at the end of the episode,

37:30KT: and it's actually not the suspicious guy that they thought it was, but it's, you know, the guy running the ship. And then you have Lana going, Captain Lammers.

37:45Oti: We all appreciated that growing up watching Scooby Doo pretty much every Saturday morning. Totally. Oh, nostalgia.

37:57KT: Who would Lana be?

38:01Oti: Lana would be Daphne.

38:03KT: Nah. Lana would be so Daphne. No. I think Lana wouldn't even be part of the main cast. She would be the ghost that mounted Bobby Brown that appears in a haunted mansion.

38:17Oti: I think I stopped watching Scooby Doo way before it became

38:17KT: I'm going to get my writers producers credit on Scooby Doo, damn it.

38:31KT: Don't deny me these things.

38:33Oti: You're confusing it with daddy doo. Oh,

38:37KT: daddy doo. It's daddy doo. Oh, but let's we have so much to cover, and I can't believe how much time we've already spent already. But still within Skytanic, we have the running joke with Malory and Trudy Beekman. So, essentially, the foundation of this episode is is nonexistent because you have the gang, you know, trying to diffuse the bomb threat, and Malory is like, no. There's no bomb threat.

39:09KT: She just, like, casually throws it away. Like, of course. Like, I got you guys a free holiday. Like, come on now. It's like, oh, you know, I don't know if this Trudy Beekman can give her room up. Oh, one of the best things.

39:23Oti: It really is. How shit. Meh. Meh. I'm Trudy Beekman. Yes. She's probably, like, a noble person. She's probably not that bad. Well, I think one of the best things is they've not shown Trudy Beekman at all. So it's all in our imagination. We have all that Trudy Beekman in our lives that we just hate every single thing they say, they do. Oh, just breathing. Just breathing is infuriating. So I think that that was one of the best decisions they made. Like, not truly, BigBee can be anyone. It represents anyone

40:01Oti: in your life just who irritates the hell out of you, and you can reasoning. Yeah. You can relate.

40:09KT: Just just amazing. Just great stuff. But Malory is so solid. And you know what? In all of our episodes, you will hear me say, I don't want prequels. I don't want sequels. But I would kinda be down to see Malory Archer in her peak.

40:27Oti: True. Right? We did get glimpses of her peak during the show, especially when she was pregnant with Archer, and she was running for safety and Wood and how they met Woodhouse. So that was quite an interesting story. Yeah.

40:45KT: And when Malory had the baby, Woodhouse was like, can you name it Reggie? She's like, no. That's too gay.

40:54Oti: Do you know any Reggies?

40:57KT: No. I don't think so. I don't know any Reggie. It's a it's a generational name.

41:03Oti: I'm thinking I have not met a Reggie at all. Far out. If you're a Reggie out there, reach out. Yeah.

41:13KT: Right? Yeah. Far out. What a rare specimen. I think there were a lot of Bradleys

41:20Oti: growing up. Stevens, Michaels.

41:24KT: Yeah. So who in the main cast do you wanna talk about next? Cyril? Cyril Figgis. It's a great Wi Fi name, by the way. It is. What do you okay. Let's let's catch her off because there's so many characters, and I wanna make sure that they at least get some sort of love. So let's talk about our favorite moments or quotes from each character. So let's start with Cyril.

41:51Oti: I didn't think much of him when the show started.

41:55KT: Okay.

41:55Oti: And then slowly by slowly, he became a bigger part of the show and part of the cast, and you could see him being written more into the story. Yeah. And he just became this guy that you feel sorry for.

42:13KT: Which I don't get because he's got a big dick. Like, he's operating like he doesn't. But he doesn't. He doesn't have that big dick energy. No. He doesn't. Unless he was treated like he was ugly and useless in his childhood. Yeah. Oh. Oh, actually, no. Remember there was a flashback where he disappointed his dad with onomatopoeia? Oh, yeah. And he started And he got stopped on the pee. Yeah.

42:36Oti: Yeah. And he peed himself. Yes.

42:39KT: Oh, man. Maybe that's where it became undone. He always wants to get recognized for his talent and his He's kind of a psycho, though. He is a psycho. And he is a weak link because I forget what the episode is called, but it's the what what? The pirate virus. He was the weak link in that episode. And even when it it came to a standoff where we had Archer and those sexy girls, and Cyril was the only one with the guns, and he closed his eyes, and he started shooting. Fucking useless.

43:14Oti: He was left field when they tried to make him into an agent because far out, if there's anyone not suitable to be an agent, it's Cyril Figgis. He's the one that needs to be behind the destiny all his life.

43:30KT: He's the Hank. Hank from X-Men. Yeah. He's he's the smarts

43:36Oti: Yeah. Behind the operation. Does he even have good ideas most of the time?

43:41KT: No. He's a drone, and he lives his best run life.

43:45Oti: Hank is kind of clever. Hank is clever, actually. I thought we talking about Cyril. Well, I'm just saying. It's the same thing. Like, you compared him to Hank, and I thought, might as well. Hanky wank?

43:58KT: Yep. That must be painful. Jesus Christ. Just jacking it. Oh, actually, can we talk about this before we run out of time and have to go to other characters? There's the sequence where, eventually, we find out that Carol, now Cheryl Tunt, is the what do they call it? Inheritess? Whatever. Her her parents are super, super rich, and they died. And she's she's mega like, shouldn't even be a receptionist.

44:30Oti: Shouldn't even walk.

44:32KT: Right? Yeah. But then through the sequence and through the chaos, Cyril decides that he's going to kidnap Cheryl, and he uses the voice modulator. Yeah. Do you remember? Yep. And Lana's like, you might need to turn it down. And then Malory starts talking to him, and he starts trying he's just like, just jacking it.

44:53Oti: And he asked for the same amount of money. So he's always at battle. He always wants to Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Outdo Archer. And Archer just some things come so simple to Archer, like Stir Fry-day. Oh. Stir Fry-day is like he didn't even think of that. What would you call it? The first thing that came to my mind will be Stir Fry-day as well. Like Yeah. What else would it be? Not creative.

45:20KT: But, yeah, Cyril's definitely got a big chip on in his pants.

45:25Oti: Yeah. And and shoulder. And Francois. Yes. Definitely.

45:30KT: But, oh, man, there's so much. There's so much. But let's continue to other characters. But Cyril is one of the best. And because I knew him as doctor Spaceman from 30 Rock, I just I got even more giddy just listening to him as Cyril Figgis. Who else? Pam?

45:48Oti: Pam. So Pam was brought was brought up in a dairy farm. Yes. And she has superhuman strength.

45:59KT: But you know what I really love, Because she needs it. Even from the pilot, we got an inkling of where we're going to go with her character. Not to not to the extent of her being in a fight club, but we had her with the dolphin puppet Mhmm. Talking about sexual assault. Yeah. And even from the first episode a gang rapper's gonna happen.

46:23Oti: Alright.

46:24KT: And even from the first episode, it was made quite clear that you should never tell Pam anything.

46:32Oti: Because she'll start telling everyone the same this immediately after she's locked the information, she'll pretty much blog it. And for the most part,

46:42KT: the main cast of Archer I guess what what the the saving grace for the main cast of Archer is they're fucking terrible people. So all of the misfortunes that happened to them are hilarious, and we're there for the ride. But I genuinely feel like Pam is a good person. She's just really bad at helping people. Yeah.

47:05Oti: I think you're right. She's she's a she's a good person, increasingly. Like, she's not self centered like Archer or

47:14KT: Yeah. Everyone else.

47:18Oti: True. She's actually one act yeah. Come to think of it, I think I would say Pam is the most honest person in that group.

47:27KT: It's a relative term in this in this sort of world. And do you remember when they were trying to go green and Malory got really pissed off because all this time they thought or they let Pam believe that there was only one toilet.

47:42Oti: So she didn't even know that there was a ladies toilet so she wouldn't stink it up. Yeah.

47:47KT: Also, really good Pam centric sort of episode is where they think that she's Cheryl, and they kidnap her. Right? And then you have this sequence of Pam making her way back to ISIS at the time. And she's just, like, snapping guys' necks on the way in. And she's so fucking pissed off that no one cared to rescue her. Yeah. And they offered pittance for her for

48:16Oti: her rescue money.

48:18KT: Just so great. So great. But probably the opposite of swallowing four pool balls is how I feel about Pam. The opposite. Cheryl? Oh, wow. She's kind of the she's kind of the character that has the least dimension.

48:38Oti: Yeah. I do get a cackle out of her, though. Yeah. She has someone Lana's here and there. She doesn't drive story line at all.

48:46KT: I don't think that she lusts after Lana's big Truckasaurus hands choking her, though. Truckasaurus. Is there anything else to say about Cheryl?

48:58Oti: She's rich. She could have it all. I do think Archer uses her for sex whenever he's down.

49:07KT: Just a tip. Just a tip. Just a tip. But when it comes to Cheryl and I think one of the things is once you understand the characters of Archer, it makes sense. Because in any other instance, if your parents died, of course, boss would understand. But Cheryl came into work because she didn't wanna be late again, and she didn't wanna get fired. You're not my supervisor. So let's let's leave Cheryl. Doctor Krieger. Krieger Krieger, piggly eater.

49:42Oti: He doesn't eat piggly, but just just let it happen. Yeah. So I think if there was ever a spin off, they could totally do Krieger. Oh, yeah. Totally. Because there's so much backstory in that. There's so much to be unpacked with why Krieger is Krieger and how he is like that to a point where the few interactions that we do have of Krieger is always just so so hilarious and so

50:10Oti: I mean, you don't you don't really know how this would end up. Like, there's an episode where we see he has clones of the whole team.

50:19KT: And Piggly.

50:21Oti: And Piggly. Gottlie.

50:25KT: Oh god.

50:26Oti: Me too. Yeah. He's he's he's he's just a phenomenon. Like, I would really just want a spin off of Krieger if nothing else.

50:33KT: It's funny because he actually has a lot of heart, and it's saying a lot when Krieger is one of the most grounded characters of this show.

50:46Oti: Yeah. Him and Kamiko san?

50:49KT: Kamiko san. Aw. Oh, Krieger san. And what was his name? Was it Duncan? Remember when he was testing the gay drug? Yeah.

51:05Oti: No. It wasn't Duncan. Wasn't? I can't remember the name, but I don't

51:11KT: And fun fact, Krieger loves nipple play even before surgery on Lance Shrek's Law.

51:18Oti: Oh,

51:21KT: I love Krieger so much. I wish we had more time. He didn't work on Barry, but he did work on Katya.

51:27Oti: Yeah. He did work on Katya with And then he worked on Barry a second time, I think. Yeah. With a detachable pussy, I think. Which was such an amazing idea, wouldn't it? Like, if humans just evolved and people had detergable pooses like Stop looking at me like that. If I'm walking from home, I'll be like, darling, just leave something before you know? Just just you can go to work, but, you know, just anyway.

51:54KT: With with my expired RSA, which in Australia is responsible services of alcohol, I'm going to commandeer your glass, sir. You have had enough.

52:07Oti: Oh.

52:08KT: Oh, but Krieger is so good. I really and I would I would be so in for a spin off, but let's, like, bring it back to what made it great. Like, let's not let's not keep doing this dream sort of sequences. If it's going to be Archer season one, season four, then let's continue that. Yeah. And they they turn him into a parrot in in Dreamland?

52:29Oti: Danger Island. Danger Island. After Dreamland. Yeah.

52:33KT: Okay. So let's let's circle back just to make sure we've got everyone to address anyone. We haven't talked about Lana? No. That's a disgrace because she's such a strong sexy woman in her knockoff underwear.

52:47Oti: Yeah. Who Archer doesn't see as black?

52:51KT: My vulva is as smooth as a veal cutlet. So

52:57Oti: Lana is a quadroon member of the team?

53:00KT: Really? You're just going to ignore the veal cutlet? Or as as as Cyril would say, veal evolver comment? You're just gonna ignore that?

53:00Oti: I'm not gonna ignore that. I think I've I've reached my quota of talking about pussy.

53:00KT: Okay. Yes. You have, actually. Thank you for regulating yourself. For your regulating. Oh, but Lana was an activist as well. And we do see semblances of that in the pipeline episode

53:35Oti: Yeah. As well. The small miracles one. Yeah.

53:40KT: How interesting that the model of Lana was a Hooters waitress. Oh, was it? Yeah. That Adam Reed came across. Oh, nice. Yeah. I didn't know that. You didn't? Oh, here's something that you might not know. The way that Archer came into fruition was Adam Reed was living his best life on holiday in Salamanca, Spain. And he would go to this cafe, and he would have gin, and he would have coffee, and he would have drinks day in, day out. And he would see these beautiful Spanish women.

54:12KT: Some knew that they were gorgeous and some didn't know, but he was such a coward that he couldn't approach them. So he started to imagine scenarios of, you know, who would be able to go and talk to those women, and that's where Sterling Archer was born.

54:28Oti: Wow. Right? Yeah. Bloody hell. We need more shy people thinking about what they could do with your lives then. Come up with shows.

54:42KT: That's some creepy fan fiction right there.

54:46Oti: Vanish and all to hell.

54:51KT: But, yeah, I think Lana's pretty good. She tries to put up a front, but deep down, she does want the babies, and she does want the life. And she did get a baby. Yeah. She did. And she wanted it with Archer.

55:06Oti: Yeah. Even though she kept on thinking that that's the last thing she wanted, deep down, we all knew that it was just meant to be. Nope.

55:19KT: So good. I really feel like we're doing people a disservice, but let's make sure we capture everyone. Do you wanna talk about Woodhouse first or Barry? Let's close off with Woodhouse, so let's go with Barry. Well, we've got much more to talk about, but let's yes. So let's talk about Barry. How do you feel about Barry? His rivalry with Archer is one of the best things in this show. One of the best things. And a very common theme in our episodes is talking about the relatable villain. First

55:49KT: off, I don't really think that Barry is a villain. But because

55:49Oti: He's not.

55:49KT: Because we're coming from the point of view of Archer, let's just call him a villain. And the reason why he's relatable is the reason why he became a cyborg in the first place was because Archer chose to let him go. Archer's a dick. So silk socks or something? Awful. And then there was a moment where Archer went to the KGB because he was trying to uncover where whether Nikolai was his father.

56:22KT: And then Barry comes to save him, and then they're just running away. And Archer's like, wait. And Barry's like, what? He's like, oh, I just wanna beat you. And he starts running in front of Barry. It's so fucking petty. And I think in some sort of way, Archer lives out his sibling life like a brother through Barry. But, man, he does him dirty so much. In that same episode arc, he does leave Barry to fall again. Yeah. He does. And

56:53KT: even in there, the

56:53Oti: And that's where he turns into a cyborg.

56:53KT: Yes. And even in there, the Russian jokes that they make of in Archer is quite hilarious because while they're, it's literally mid action. They're fully running. Like, Archer's running. He's stepping on glass, and he's like, oh my god. What happened to your shoes? Who am I kidding? This is Russia. People probably come far and wide just to take picture in your shoes.

57:21Oti: Here's your fire extinguisher.

57:27KT: Just just wow. Just just so much. There's so much to this series. And, you know, once season ten wraps up, we'll definitely have to do a capture off for that because we're we're not gonna be able to cover that all, and it it makes me sad. But let's continue. Do you wanna talk about Woodhouse as the last thing we talk about? Yeah. Because there's a few other things that I wanna capture off as well. Okay. One of I okay. Aside from the rampage episodes, which happen in season two

58:06KT: season two, episode eight, and episode nine, stage two of placebo effect, aside from that, my favorite story arc in Archer is Heart of Archness that happens. And that's in season three episode one. And if you've listened to any of our other podcast episodes, you will know that we are purveyors in the English language. Sometimes we don't execute it right. Sometimes it's semantics, but we do love it. We even have Your Phrase or Mine, which essentially is a nice little titillating section about

58:43KT: words and what they mean and whether they translate or not. And Heart of Archness really satisfies me in all of those ways because it essentially hinges on idioms. And then you have Noah, the sorry excuse of a male. I'm not even gonna say man. Where you have I think it's in either episode two or episode three where Archer comes out to the courtyard and Bucky is proselyting some sort of nonsense. And Archer's asking what's going on, and Bucky's like, we hold direction for the king. But

59:24KT: that's not even the funny part. Archer goes, I'm flattered, but that's not necessary. How how indulgent are you? Right? But in any case, Archer tries to reaffirm and reassure the village that his interests coincides with the common people. And he kept using idioms, and Noah was like, do you not understand what an idiom is? And I think he said a colloquial metaphor. Yeah. For for all of the times for Archer to be correct, that was the moment. That was the moment right there. Yeah. And one of the other

60:05KT: idioms that I really, really just died was when we first when Malory first finds out that Archer is in trouble with the pirates, and Bucky is talking to Malory. Dynamic duo. Can I just say they can have their own spin off? And Bucky's saying that he wants a ransom, and Malory's essentially trying to threaten him. And she said, you better sharpen your pencil, buddy. And Bucky goes, what's a pencil?

60:38Oti: Oh my god. I just

60:41KT: I just I die. I die every time. Okay. Have a breath. We are going to do a speed round of minor recurring characters. But before we do that, are there any other episodes that you wanna do a quick shout out to that you really loved about Archer?

60:41Oti: Nothing off the top of my head.

60:41KT: A couple of episodes that I just wanna capture off before we talk about minor, and then we'll finish off with Woodhouse,

61:11KT: is so we've talked about stage two and also placebo effects. So that's when Archer finds out that he has breast cancer. He beats up Brett. Because Brett laughed. No. Because it's kind of hilarious that Archer has breast cancer. And he really thought that Archer was joking, and it was such a somber moment. And Archer was even bequeathing gifts to his friends, and he was even about to give Brett one. And Brett really got a beating. Like, he just really got a beating. And then

61:45KT: I can't remember what the villain's boss is. But remember he he shoved, like, the pool stick up his ass, and then he he decided to take his chemo drugs mid rampage. If you've listened to our podcast, more often than not, we have referenced rampage in some sort of way. So that's that's how Archer has peppered our lives. We've also got season two episode one, Swiss Miss, which has is her name Ivanka? How you need to pull it on the thrust that is Wilhelm.

62:21KT: Yeah. I think her name is Ivanka. Well, in any case, you have an underage girl. And even within that arc, we have a lady and twins, and they have their own little Bold and the Beautiful days of our lives sort of drama going on Mhmm. As well. So that's quite interesting to go through. We've got season two episode five, Double Deuce with Woodhouse, and that's where you see him in the past. I think you would call I think not call. I think Woodhouse would be bisexual because he

62:55KT: loved Reggie, but he also loved Malory as well.

62:59Oti: Yeah. He he he definitely would be bisexual.

63:02KT: Yeah. So, anyway, going back to Double Deuce, you know, he just goes blind with rage, and he starts rampaging on the whole camp after Reggie dies. So that's that's quite a pivotal moment as well. We've talked about Skytanic, which is season one episode seven. And then we also have the Bob's Burgers crossover in season four episode one.

63:26Oti: Yeah. Which was interesting. This is where Archer disappears for a while. And Yeah. Yeah. That that was a good really good episode. Randy.

63:35KT: And then when he gets discovered, he changes his name to Rando. But those there's obviously, there's a 100 episodes of Archer, so we won't be able to cover all of that. But those are some key highlights to Archer in general. Let's talk about some secondary side characters. So we've already kind of mentioned Brett. Is there anything else you wanna say about him?

64:03Oti: No. He he's just the stick to to do this.

64:07KT: He big but he whenever we do watch other shows and other movies, we're like, this is the Brett of this show. This is the Brett of this movie. And, you know, you have the sequence where the phone is ringing, and they're like, I swear to god, Brett, if you don't answer that phone he's, like, dying from a gunshot wound.

64:25Oti: Bleeding on the carpet.

64:28KT: Before we run out of time and you close me completely, can we talk about Conway Stern?

64:36Oti: The black Jewish spy.

64:38KT: Well, if you wanted to do something to that. Yeah. Double whammy. That's why they hired him. A twofer. Yeah. Quite a twofer. So we we do stan a Conway Stern in this household, and then you have that scene with them in the locker rooms where Archer is just confronting him with his twig and berries. And I just the reason why I wanted to bring up Conway Stern is one of the in in the first instance that we see him when he's flying away in the helicopter, Archer's like, hang on. I have a question.

65:16KT: And Conway is like, what? And Archer essentially wants to know, did you have sex with my mother? Nothing to do about him being a double agent. Nothing to do about his time at ISIS. And that goes back to the Oedipus complex.

65:32Oti: Yeah. Archer's just messed up.

65:35KT: Especially because Malory loved Duchess more than she loved Archer.

65:39Oti: Yeah. And and and looking at Archer in his high school or as a kid, it's just so sad.

65:45KT: It's like sad Keanu, but it's sad Archer at his lacrosse game. Oh my god. Oh, bless. Yeah. It explains a lot. It does explain a lot. Explains a lot. Let's let's let's continue on. We have the wee baby Seamus and Trinette.

66:01Oti: Yeah. That's Cyril Figgis' baby. Yeah. Puke. Yeah. I think they hint that it's Cyril's baby because Cyril eats candy while having sex in bed. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if this was a concept slash dream sequence,

66:22KT: but I think it's Trinette. Trinette, she doesn't die, but we think she dies at the time. And then Archer's like, you killed a hooker. And Cyril's like, no. It's a call girl. Archer's like, no. When they die, they're just hookers. I love that even though Archer eventually found out that the wee baby Seamus wasn't his, he he just let that happen, and he also got a tattoo with Seamus, and he also got a dicky tattoo when he went to Vegas with Dickie Woodhouse.

66:58Oti: The way Archer treated Woodhouse.

67:01KT: Bloody hell. Yeah. I know. I know. But you you give him graces because he's a dick, and he doesn't know any better. Right? Or not? Yeah. Yeah. Whiteash daddy. We've got Nikolai Jakov. One of the competitors of Archers being Archers father. I liked his right hand man. I didn't I don't know what his name was, but I thought he was quite fun.

67:26Oti: Yeah. He was quite jealous of the relation the possible relationship of of Jakov and Archer or Jakov ending up being Archer's father. Yes. Yeah. So I think he just saw him as, I don't know, either a lover or a father figure.

67:42KT: Yeah. And then with with Nikolai, you have when they were when Lana was on the boat with that millionaire and then Archer eventually has come and save. And then you have Malory and Nikolai in this little dinghy boat. And Nikolai is like, why must you micromanage? That's my attempt at a Russian accent. You're welcome. We also have Rip Riley, who I just wanted to make sure we mention with his his word of the his use of the term ruse. He's also our Joe Swanson

68:17KT: Mhmm. On Family Guy as well, so we do appreciate that. We talked about Christian Slater. I also think Hector deserves a shout out as well. He's the undercover agent that died because Archer called him. So let's pour some soup on the concrete for Hector. We've also talked about Noah as well. We talked about Kamika san. We've also talked about Katya. Who we haven't talked about, which we should get a little bit of our time, is Babou.

68:47Oti: Oh, Babou. That's Cheryl's pet ocelot. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. How many how many episodes does he even appear in this? I don't even think it's Not a lot.

69:05KT: Probably more than Tenten in Naruto.

69:08Oti: Oh, wow.

69:12KT: Tenten did not get any love at all. And she won't get any more love because we're running out of time. Let's finish off with Woodhouse.

69:21Oti: Woodhouse gave us so many good memories. His relationship with Archer, his love for Archer. He pretty much brought Archer up. He did. Raised Archer, and Archer doesn't see him as anything more than a He's just spoiled. Yeah. Yeah. True. Which is which is sad. But I think in in season eight when they go Archer tries to find Woodhouse, we go to see that how much Archer really did care about him. And coverages around trying to find what happened to his partner. And I think that was quite a fitting

70:11Oti: dedication to Woodhouse as a character and to their relationship together, regardless of however much Archer did mistreat Woodhouse Yeah. There was still that bond and there was still that love that that would do pretty much anything for each other when when it came down to it.

70:30KT: And no one's perfect, and we demonstrate love in different ways. Definitely. Yeah. So that's it. I'm glad you wanted to end it on a sad note. For the laughing that we did, we ended on a very sad note. Oh, something that I don't think you realized, they had a I think it was a two episode arc in the submarine with the lady that said, I'm a sexual being. If that bothers you, so be it. The captain was Jon Hamm. I don't know if you knew that.

71:05Oti: No. I didn't. Right? I can't recognize Jon Hamm's voice. How dare you? Even sometimes I can't recognize his face. So no. I just

71:19KT: wow. I just wow. We we talked about Halle Berry last week, and now you're all up on your ghoulies.

71:26Oti: Just saying.

71:29KT: How dare you? How dire. I will fight you. So let's let's end before someone else has entered in a second in For Your Reference.

71:42Oti: So I would recommend Bob's Burgers. It has H. Jon H. Jon Benjamin as Bob, and it's it's a witty cartoon that you could try and sink your hooks into the voice of Archer if you want to keep a hold of him a little bit longer like I did. It's a solid show with really great characters and great storylines, and you'd fall in love with all the singing.

72:16KT: Kill the turkey.

72:18Oti: Pass. The cranberry

72:20KT: sauce. And mashed potatoes. Yes. I think that's enough before we get copyrighted. I don't know what the law is. What about you? I will reference one. So Adam Reed has made it very clear that he does draw influences from other places, and he said to explain Archer or to describe Archer to someone, it's a mix between James Bond, which we don't acknowledge in this household because Idris Elba is not James Bond, so we're not talking about that. But James Bond and Arrested Development. If you have not watched Arrested Development, we could still be friends,

73:01KT: but you need to promise me you're going to watch Arrested Development. And one of these days, we're definitely going to do it. And there's always money in Banana Stand.

73:10Oti: Always money in Banana Stand.

73:14KT: And it's the final countdown to the end of the show. And here we are, guys. Thank you so much for listening. And I think you guys appreciate how much we love to hear from you and to, you know, get your feedback in regards to our show. You can catch us on Twitter, Instagram, and now Facebook. We're trying to get more active on Twitter and Instagram. We're @ForYourRefPod.

73:41Oti: And you can write us an email on hello@fyrpodcast.com.

73:45KT: And you can also leave us a review or a rating on iTunes. We'd very much appreciate that as well. Yeah. Thank you so much for writing in, thank you. See you. You'll all have holes.

73:56Oti: Not my holes.

73:57KT: Bye.