Red, White & Brass === [00:00:00] Intro --- KT: It's another week in the four year reference household, and it's another one Oti: another one KT: of covering film festivals. This time a major film festival in Sydney Film Festival, and it's another one. Of Pacifica specifically for me, um, Tongan Storytelling and Joy. Yes, friends and lovers. We are kicking off the Sydney Film Festival coverage. The only way we know how to baby, we're covering red, white, and brass. Oti: Mm-hmm. Fast for the pod. KT: Oh, it's so exciting. Ot. Um, I also had the opportunity to interview the director Damon, um, as well as the lead actor, jp. And that will also be the first interview that we'll be releasing, um, as a part of our Sydney Film Festival coverage. Oti: and you got to host the screening and q and a. Mm-hmm. KT: did, Um, I guess while [00:01:00] we are here, friends and lovers, we do put a lot of love, um, and a lot of nastiness, um, into this podcast, but it also comes with great relationships as well as opportunities. Um, big Malo Albido, albido to live from madman. Um, to Kate from Nsco to Ben from Sydney Film Festival and also the supportive team at Randwick Ritz. Um, sold out 600 capacity. Yeah. Um, it was a lot of fun. Who knew I could be so Tong and oti? Oti: I knew. KT: Oh, but it's a gorgeous time, friends and lovers. Uh, there is one more screening if you're listening in linear time, um, as a part of the Sydney Film Festival, but it has been sold out. Um, but also it will be officially in Australian cinemas from June 22nd. Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: Are you ready? Let's get on with the show Start --- KT: [00:02:00] Malay friend and trumpet lovers. Welcome back to the four year Reference podcast. You got hosts, KT Oti: and Oti KT: congregate around the collection bowl of Tong, Mank, and ingenuity. You wait until we do a Kenyan thing. Oti: We already did. Exactly. KT: Uh, it's my time, so get out of the spotlight. Get information for the triumphant red, white, and brass this week. Woo. You sounded like the actor in the Young Rock. friends and lovers, if you know, you know, um, again, welcome, welcome. We're not gonna talk specifically in regards to spoilers, but like OT says all the time, if you do a Google, um, [00:03:00] you will know, uh, that toga did beat France. Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: Even though we love our European friends and lovers Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: Um, and they also put together a brass band. So, um, there's definitely a lot of, um, nuance and a lot of detail and a lot of themes, um, that I wanna talk through today. Um, but let's get into general sort of information. Um, again, thank you to not just. The PR relationships, but all of our beautiful friends and lovers that have supported our podcast, you know, when I say we come up together and we win together, I absolutely mean it. Um, thank you so much to the director of Red, white, and Brass. Damon for, um, he was so gracious on the screening q and a night. Um, and also during the interview, um, writing the screenplay together with Damon, we have Halai Fin who yes, [00:04:00] should sound familiar because we recently covered panthers. Oti: Yep. KT: And this is also based on his life as well. Um, in regards to cast in a first lead capacity, we have John Paul JP Fki. We also have Dimitri Chu Han Farve Jackson, who I might be finding out is Sam Juan, but that's okay. Uh, Andy . We also have Mickey Faci. In regards to the final clan, we have fin uh, David Fal, as well as Val Eli Green . We also have Nathaniel Lee, who I am also claiming is Tok, if that's okay. Oti: mm-hmm. KT: Har Moti, as well as Matt rugs. In regards to producers, we have Georgina, Alison Conda, Hal Ainsley, Gardner Newk, who we did see. Oti: we did KT: At the Australian premiere, um, [00:05:00] and Morgan War, uh, friends and lovers, I usually don't read that many credits. Um, but it's a beautiful, gorgeous thing to have Pacifica, um, you know, people come together for a Tongan story of love and triumph and joy. Well, let's get into first impressions, ot, Oti: an exceptional accomplishment, skillfully pairing and enjoyable humor with a narrative that radiates joy and positivity. This captivating cinematic journey creates an indelibly uplifting experience. Our must watch. KT: You've gotta give us a chew after that. Ot. Oti: Ah, I do not know if I can, or if I'm allowed to. KT: I allow it. Oti: Oh, next minute, huh? I'm, I'm out here being consult, eh. KT: you'll be canceled for many other things before that. Oti: True. Uh, but wow. I think this was one of the highlights for me this year. I've not come out of a [00:06:00] cinema just feeling pure joy and happiness and easy breezy, and just feeling like a whole load has been lifted. Because you laughed, you enjoyed I've watched this movie three times now. Yeah. And in each iteration, I found something new that I loved more. Yeah. And it's just really, really fun. I have yet to see a movie this year that made me feel this way. KT: Yes. Oti: And wow. I cannot recommend this any harder. Yes, KT: man. Otis gonna be bringing Tara to the cookout, eh? it. Oh man. I love your first impressions. I'm glad you loved it so much. And you're right. We did watch it three times. Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: Um, we did get the screener in the lead up to the interview, um, and then we went to the Australian premiere at State Theater, which had a capacity of 2000 seats. Oti: Yep. KT: Um, that was a very emotional moment for [00:07:00] me in particular, um, which I guess we can also come to as well. Um, and then the third time was during the hosting, um, of the screening and the q and a. And you know, OT is a big proponent for rewatch ability. I don't necessarily, for me, that's not necessarily a qualifier of what I would contribute to my overall sort of rating or score about a film. Um, however, this was such, it, it was so beautiful to experience it three times and still feel like we can watch it many more. Oti: exactly. KT: Red, white and brass is reflective of the exciting time in world cinema. Centering Pacifica, specifically Tongan storytelling and joy gorgeously heartfelt, thoughtfully paced, and wrapped in love. Straight maun. Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: You think I'm not gonna get ma ro tomatoes? Quote, Oti: I knew you would KT: Welcome to the KT [00:08:00] player, them friends and lovers. Oh wow. What an experience. What an experience. What an experience. I guess before we kick off into, um, specific sort of themes, um, that came out of Red Wine and Brass, I kind of just wanna talk about the moment that we're in now. Of world Cinema zooming into Pacifica's storytelling, which we have covered across the podcast recently, and then also zooming into Tongan storytelling too. Oti: I feel like this is such a big moment, you know, um, having a, a, a Tongan focused movie Yeah. That not only creates this sort of sense of togetherness in the cinema. I think it'll translate farther Uhhuh. I think it's one of those movies that has hit a sweet spot somehow that it will sort of transcend. Yeah. And I'm just happy to be in a space where we get to watch stories told by the rightful owners of the story. You KT: Yes. [00:09:00] Stories, sovereignty. Do you speak at ot? Oti: You know what, um, we, we were so far removed from days where, Ooh, we've got to tell stories about someone different is writing it or someone else is shooting it. Yeah. It's so good to see a forecast. That's just the people. For the people. KT: Yeah. Do you live for the people? Cause you die for the people Oti: How to No, it, it's so refreshing because you can tell, you can tell that the X factor is in there. Yeah. Because there's nothing missing. Things are flowing. The chemistry is there. Yeah. The moments in the movie that I'm sure we'll get to, you could feel something was happening. I couldn't describe it, watching it the fast two times, but wow. Did it not just come all together the entire time watching it? And I know it was extra special you doing the hosting in Kiwi as well, that just Wow. I, I loved every single minute and I just love the fact that we get to be in an era where we get to see stories being told by the artful owners and [00:10:00] in such a high quality manner. KT: I absolutely agree. You know, we're all about centering our own stories. Um, everyone else is welcome to come along, but the spotlight is on us. Mm-hmm. And it's not being done in an exploitative way. It's not being done in a caricature sort of way. It is unfortunate that even though Pacifica like cinema storytelling has obviously been around since. You know, the Moana. Um, but in regards to cinema, we are relatively new in regards to, I guess, a presence and I guess being a part of a global sort of tapestry. Um, but even in that short time, we also fell victim and became the caricatures from a white sort of lens, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and I say 2023 and onwards. Shucking and jiving. No more oti. Oti: No more. KT: Take that back to the 1930s with King Kong because we don't even know what they mean by [00:11:00] natives, but we know. Oti: Mm. KT: Um, but I am loving this moment. I am loving the pure joy. You know, I even think of shoutouts to Chanel Harris and the team, um, at cs because they have a specific sketch, you know, about getting a samo to play a Maori person, but they're dressed like Pocahontas. You know what I mean? Just like conglomerating everything Oti: mm-hmm. Doesn't make. KT: any sense at all. This is a time of beauty. This is a time for joy. And you know, it, I, I don't know if anyone else will make these sort of comparisons, but you know, when you watch a film like Boys in the Hood Wrestle Love and Peace and Power to John Singleton, um, it is very specific to South Central la. And even though it's in English, when you talk about slang, when you talk about language, when you talk about the way that words are used, it doesn't need to explain to you [00:12:00] what the cadences are in that particular Right. Um, you know, or even when we're watching Rafiki, you know, if we wanna bring it all the way to the motherland of Africa in Kenya, um, there are moments that don't need to be explained because if you're following along with the story, it's enough to fill in the gaps. Yeah. And that's something that I thought was really interesting about red, white, and brass was there were moments where I think that, I think it, it might have been a word like Right? And that word didn't get translated because when you are in the moment and you're experiencing the story, it doesn't need to like, you get it by understanding where the story is going Oti: Exactly. There's no need to spoon feed everywhere, everyone, everything that's being said, context is king and it just flows because you understand, you can tell stories, and this is, this is one of the major grabs that I have when we get to see stories being told or people feeling like, oh, we can't have a, we [00:13:00] can't have a Blockbuster movie in a different language. Or because, eh, we love English, and everyone would want just, you know. Yeah. It KT: Or even Woman King, an older black woman in an action movie. Oti: Yeah. KT: Mm-hmm. Um, I guess just one more thing on the subtitles. Uh, I might have talked about her throughout the podcast, friends and lovers, but, um, um, I don't, I definitely don't speak fluently in Tongan. Um, and you know, it's, you know, when you talk about. Migrating to a new country, it became the priority for my parents to learn English over us learning Tongan. But then it becomes the shame of the family that like you don't speak Tongan. Um, and that's definitely a thing that will come to later. But I guess the reason why I wanted to bring that up is the subtitles were there, but I didn't need them. Like, I understood what was being said without the subtitles, but then I also can't [00:14:00] articulate it back, which I guess is also another sad layer. But the fact that it's so innate in me, um, I, I don't know. I just thought that was a bit of a beautiful moment. Oti: Yeah, sure is. I, I definitely needed, needed those top towels. KT: Oh, so you just zone out When of my family are talking to you? Yeah. See you'll get canceled in many other ways. Ot. Well, let's get into the themes again. Would strongly recommend friends and Lover, is that you go and watch the film. Um, but feel free to We're gonna have Um, the first theme that I have was something that was touched on heavily, um, and was explored through the two main sort of characters, Maka and Vinny. It's either all of us or none of us. Um, you know, it talks about the togetherness, it talks about, um, community and it talks about if we come up, we all come up together. Oti: I think they showed that really beautifully in the movie. You know, they created this sense of togetherness [00:15:00] throughout. Yeah. You know, you felt that anything, there's no need for one person to succeed when everyone else is down there. I think that's the mentality a lot of us want to see in our day to day Uhhuh. Um, and it was such, it was so beautifully shown in this, um, the relationship with Marco and ve and even Vinny being like the sort of outsider Yeah. And him trans fussing this world and him trying to learn. Cause we get to see some growth in him as well. And, and how he gets to embrace that. Yeah. The sense of community and what it means to the point where he is the advocate at the end as well. KT: Yeah. Well, I think I, I guess it'll be cool to, um, welcome, welcome friends and lovers. If you're new to the four Year Reference podcast, um, I'm Tong o Ortiz. Kenyon, I kind of wanna get an idea of like, are you. Are you about? About it? Are you for the people? Are you for the community? What was it like growing up? Because as a Tongan, [00:16:00] like my C, even if it was my cousins, but cousins were kind of considered part of the family, family, family, nuclear sort of family, I guess you want to call it. Um, But even stretching out whether it was the church or whether it was extended family, like whenever someone came over, it was a joke because we had no other choice but to laugh. But like all of our food in the freezer, all of like all of our fruits, like everything would be given to people that would come and visit. And to me, that's part of the All of us or none of us. Oti: Oh, a hundred percent. I just remember hating people coming because that meant I had to go to the shops to buy heaps of things and make food that a, we wouldn't if I made that day because fuck that noise. KT: Not for you curtains. No, Oti: Exactly. KT: Get the good plates out. Oti: the good plates, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Um, It's a thing. And looking back, I think I, I, I sort of, I don't know. You're looking I'm too [00:17:00] KT: No, there's Oti: ways about it. I was KT: feel a way Oti: exactly. I, I, I don't think I would ever have right now plates just for guests. I think what I use is what you'll use. KT: Okay. But even the like, sort of, I guess if you wanna call it like generous sort of spirit, it's like that, that sort of giving sort of nature, you know, if, if I am being honest, I, I would get a bit frustrated. Like little Katie wanted her little chicken nuggets, but she couldn't get them because mom would give them away to her smaller cousins. Right. Um, but I find myself doing that now. You know, even if it's like a professional courtesy or if people come over, like, I just feel the need to give, give, give. Oti: Oh yeah. I think it's, it's what's been instilled in us. For such a long time that it's just second nature. Mm-hmm. Uh, yeah. But there are traits that I'm trying to fight [00:18:00] off. KT: Okay. I thought you only felt joy in this Oti: I felt joy. I felt joy. I felt a lot of joy watching this movie, and it reminded me of some, you know, Because it's completely different cultures and backgrounds, a lot of things that we share throughout. You know, it doesn't matter if you're to Orm Kenyan, it's, it's shared, um, sort of knowledge and experiences. So that was interesting and intriguing to see. But what I was talking about more of, you know, like you said, it's second nature for you to just want to give and give and give. Yeah. Because that's how it'll, it's always been. Mm-hmm. Um, I want like, uh, my example is, I would never have utensils just for guests. You know, I would never do anything like that because I feel like, no, I had a feel. I, I, I felt her way back then. So. And KT: so your mom had a cabinet? Oti: She had a cabinet. I would not, I would not, I was not allowed to touch anything,[00:19:00] KT: To be fair when we did, um, travel up country, um, to stay with your family and very respectfully you didn't respect her, but very respectfully, we did sleep separately. Um, but the, I did see that cabinet there. Oti: there and KT: I feel very honored, even though your mom continues to call me, you are a white friend. Um, I'm very honored that she took the glasses out of that cabinet and we had some delicious beverages with it. You're not gonna dress the white friend, are you? Oti: Nah. KT: Maybe another Oti: Uhhuh. KT: um, friends and lovers, but you know, like Tong and hymns are very healing, but therapy is also important. OTI Oti: like we always reference here, astronomy club, um, those are the good old times. KT: I guess, um, but it's interesting because it becomes something, well, it became something that my family just did. My mom in particular. [00:20:00] Just did. And I was like, oh my God. But now I do it, you know? Mm-hmm. And I guess that's that sort of And I, um, I think at the core, when we are talking about like feeding and watering people, I absolutely, like, it's innate in me. And then you have things called like, or you have things called , um, where you're essentially like raising money, you know, or you even saw in red, white, and brass, they called a concerti. Like a fundraiser. Like there's always, always, always money that needs to be given to be donated, to be willingly relinquished, um, for particular sort of purposes. And, um, you know, in the interview that we have coming up with Damon and jp, you know, we talked about how the love extends to that. Um, and I, I, I, I made a little comment, a little joke about does it adjust for mafa afflation? Because the love is there, but the dollar is not stretching. Mm-hmm.[00:21:00] You touched on something, which is the next theme that I want to talk about is, you know, being a coconut, not feeling like you are enough. And, you know, it seems like we're doing a double hander, um, right now in regards to being a Tongan and being a Kenyan. Um, you, you were born and raised in Kenya. Did you ever feel like you weren't enough? No. Right. Oti: No. Um, it's, it, you'd watch different people on TV and all that, right? And you have neighbors who are different from different cultures and all that, but you, you fundamentally, a lot of the people were black, so you don't really get to feel that KT: were they black or were they Kenyan? Oti: Oh, look at you, eh? Just because you interviewed Boyer, eh? Yeah. So KT: Shout out to boy NAACP nominated Oti: Yeah. KT: For his memoir. Oti: Yeah. Um, a very interesting book about how he talks about, um, him being a black man in America. You know, it's not necessarily that you identify as black until you're told you're KT: Mm. [00:22:00] Oti: Uh, which is quite a thing. Uh, but bringing it back to the movie, it's, it's, they did cover the essence of the coconut. We get to see Vinny who people would say, you know, just because he couldn't speak the language or he didn't know how to, knowing how to chop taro and all that. KT: man, my heart dropped and that happened. Oti: Yeah. Yeah. Do you know how to, KT: well, ot, you know, I'm not one to prescribe to gender roles, but if it gets me out of doing work, then absolutely. Um, no, that's not a woman's job, Oti: look at you. Gender role. Gender role, eh. KT: Mm-hmm. Oti: No, but it, it was such, it was so intriguing to see, um, the sort of fight it got to him. You saw it got to Vinny, he couldn't say anything. Baka was always there to have his KT: Yeah. Oti: You know, it wasn't about him being able to speak tong and know him, being able to even chop taro, anything like that. It's, it's, it's more than that. Yeah. Being Tongan isn't just because you speak the [00:23:00] language or all that, KT: But it can feel like that I was the nerdy one in the debate club that couldn't play Qatar. Um, and that will take you very far in Western Sydney. Um, friends and lovers. But, you know, watching this film, and I'm so glad that, you know, during the Australian premiere, my sister came with her partner and her two beautiful daughters, and the relationship between Mucker and Vinny reminds me of me and my sister. Oti: Interesting. KT: My sister is 10 toes down, Tongan mmt or Day baby, you know? Um, she's got the gorgeous traditional Tongan features. She's also with a Tongan. She's got gorgeous Tongan children. Um, and I don't know, like, like learning the culture, being able to speak the language. It seemed to come a lot easier to her, and I was, I found it hard to be able to find a way to exist and belong without [00:24:00] being that connected, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm. So, you know, sitting in a dark room sipping wine. Yeah. That's me. I can absolutely, um, relate with Vinny, but you know, you get. That like it, it is mocking and you know, a lot of Pacifica people will talk about how mocking is like the core of how we show love. And I'm definitely not disagreeing because this podcast is absolutely in essence of that. Um, but yeah, being, uh, I think they called it Um, in red, white, and brass, which means like, you are not a white person, but you're trying to be a white person. Um, there's also fair bari like you're pretending to be a bari. Like there's so many different ways to describe, um, you know, the shedding of the layers or becoming of. You know, cause you know, at another time, you know, friends and lovers, we need to talk about the toxicity of, you know, the proximity to [00:25:00] whiteness in our Pacifica sort of communities. Obviously that talks about colorism, you know, people might even brag about having German blood. Um, being Tongan, I have that as well, but, That's definitely, that's beyond the depths of this film today. Um, but I guess going back to the core of not feeling like enough, not feeling like you're doing enough, like you don't look the part, um, I absolutely resonated with that. How did you feel about the Tong and HNS in the film? Oti: I got goosebumps. I got chills. It was very emotional and very touching. Um, and Wow, doesn't luck. You know how to sing. KT: Yeah. Oh, if I was born in a different timeline, I would obviously still be tonged. Um, but like, I would love to just live my little happy island girl life, you know, like going back and visiting relatives in toga. Um, you know, especially on Sundays. Legit, legit, everything was closed. Not even Jesus could get his water and [00:26:00] wine. Um, but like the whole Sunday would be spent walking to the church. Going to church, and then walking back home and having a mean ass feast. Oti: sounds like a perfect Sunday to me. KT: It's just, it's one of those things where like you just can't explain it. You just need to be able to experience it. Mm-hmm. Especially if friends and lovers, I strongly recommend at least once in your life to experience in real life singing of tong and hymns. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. It's very replenishing. Oti: Replenishing is the word. KT: Maybe OTI will share his plates after he listens. Um, the last sort of theme that I wanna touch on is tradition versus creativity versus happiness versus identity. I guess you could slot any of the three into that. We have MA's character who. Every family has a marker. Um, I don't necessarily think I'm [00:27:00] the marker. Um, Oti: if you think your family doesn't have a marker, you're the marker. KT: or maybe you are Sam, Oti: because I keep it fresh all day. KT: Yes. Um, not to take too much from the interview, but Damon talked about, you know, set design and that sort of thing, and there was a lot of research and a lot of care put into Samsung's haircut to make sure he looks super fresh from Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: And he did. And also, um, I, I don't know if we ever talked about it on the podcast, but like, even if people weren't related, like there were so many people that would come and stay with us that came from Donga. And I'm like, I get it. You know? Um, at first I, I was a bit worried that my underwear kept getting stolen when I was in toga. Um, and then you just realize they just, they just need your clothes, man. Like whether you wanna fill the Mauna or not. Whatever you packed, you're not leaving with when you go back to like Australia or [00:28:00] the US or New Oti: See that was a deep cut in the movie. Something that non Tongans wouldn't really necessarily be able to understand. Cause when Sam Sonny took, uh, VE shoes, I just thought, Hey, you know what, eh, keeping it. But apparently it was deeper than that. KT: well, maybe you were the one taking your Western diaspora, Kenyan relative stuff. Then maybe you were the Samsung stealing people's shoes. You were on the other side of it. My love. Oti: apparently. KT: Um, but going back to mka, you know, every family has a mka. Um, and he brought a beautiful, gorgeous energy. Sometimes it was a lot, but it definitely got them to places that they never would've dreamed to be able to go. Oti: Mm-hmm. KT: So maybe you are right, I guess in that way there are, there are absolutely moments. You know, I, I exist outside, um, yelling on the other side of the wall, so I definitely resonate with, um, you know, [00:29:00] feeling like there's more than one path to identity, to happiness, to belonging, to connection. Oti: Yeah. I think that's the most important thing. Everyone has to find their own path and their own way to feel connected to the culture because there's no one blueprint for you to be, you know, to, to feel Tongan. KT: But I also said this in the interview, I also said it when we were watching the screener for the first time. There's a particular line in there about return missionaries that I just, I cackled, like we needed to rewind it. I needed to watch it at least 10 times before we continued the movie. Um, and. You know, different levels of Christianity. Absolutely. Um, but being raised Mormon, it did feel, it felt a bit more removed from Tongan culture. Right. There's, there's religion and there's culture. You know, there'll even be moments. Like in the Mormon church where there would be [00:30:00] leadership saying, you can't bring this, you can't do these traditions, you can't do that. And you know, it was explained of like, you know, it's not appropriate or it's messy or, you know, like all of these sorts of things. But at the end of the day, this is who we are, regardless of religion. This is our culture, you know, so going back to trying to teach my parents how to speak English, And then going to a Mormon church that doesn't necessarily, from a cultural point of view, have touchpoints of being Tongan. Um, shout outs to our Tongan, uh, friends and love is listening now. Um, my relatives in Tonga used to call us . And I'm not gonna translate that. That's just, I guess, a little chestnut, um, for the Tongan, um, speakers right now. But I always felt like the Catholica, like the Catholic, the Wena, the Pentecostal, like those Tongans were the cool Tongans to me, like, and they were usually the [00:31:00] ones that had a brass band and they were still staunchly, proudly Tongan Uniting Church as well. Oti: Interesting. Because I, I remember growing up Catholic and the minute I tried a different denomination, I was so shocked by how upbeat it was. I was like, are you allowed to sing like this in a church? KT: You know, just sit there and feel guilty. Oti: I never looked back, I KT: I guess Catholic tongans are different, Oti: I guess so KT: let's end on something joyful. Um, something that I absolutely, absolutely, absolutely love so much, and especially after watching a film three times within a span of like a week and a half. This film is so beautifully paced. like there's note after note after note. There are moments of resonance. There are moments on reflecting on the scene before and getting ready for the scene that's about to come. Um, but it's so gorgeously paced, um, especially for the run time that it has. But the dialogue was [00:32:00] really a lot of fun for Oti: It turns through, you know, so a lot of the things that makes a movie re watchable, cause you talk to the pacing, uh, and the dialogue have to be really, really good for it. To get to a level where we can watch it three times within a space of a week and still feel as if. We got something out of the movie at the end of it and still feel like, oh, we are not fatigued by watching this. It's, it just flows. Yeah. And how they wrote this and even how it's filmed, the cinematography is, is super crisp, So all this, uh, elements just gel into the perfect embodiment of what this movie is. And I can't, I can't find anything to fault it. Neither would I, one of the really highlights of this year. KT: Yeah. All, all of the chefs were coming with their A game in this film. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Thank you friends and lovers [00:33:00] for joining us. Um, you know, we always get super ethnic, so I won't say that this is the most ethnic we've ever gotten. Um, but thank you for joining us, friends and lovers, another week in the four year friend's household. Um, If you have had a chance to watch Red, white, and Brass, go and watch it again. Um, if you haven't, uh, I guess save your money for that Mafa, afflation and all that popcorn and nonsense. Um, and, and you know, get yourself there. Take, take the kids, take the nieces, take the nephews, um, take the parents and have a really good time. Oti: Mm-hmm. For Your Reference --- KT: We're gonna finish off in the segment week call. For your reference oti, Oti: I'm gonna reference head high. KT: Hey, Charlottes Damon, who directed two episodes of Head High. Oti: Yeah. And we've covered it on the port as well. It's really, really good. Sad that I didn't get, uh, more seasons, but it's a story worth telling and it's a show worth's watching. KT: Okay. Um, I really loved, you know, friends and lovers. We are [00:34:00] interviewing. We have, and, and we'll be for the Sydney Film Festival, um, interviewing a lot of filmmakers and. You know, this segment inspired us to ask this question whenever we interview filmmakers on what they would pair with red or white and brass. I love Damon as well as jps answers, but I'm not gonna take it away from them. So definitely go and listen or watch, um, the interview when it comes out. I'm going to surprise you, rt. Oti: Surprise me away. KT: If you want a feel good film on lovable misfit characters while also not shying away from the very core that makes us human writers of justice, baby. Oti: Ooh. Oh wow. You love your muds. Eh, KT: I do love my Mads. Um, if I'm giving away honorary Tongan tokens, it belongs to Mad Nicholson. Oti: Hey, even before me, KT: I thought you were 10 toes down Tongan already. Sam son, [00:35:00] if you would like to redeem your honorary Tongan tokens on Twitter and Instagram, we. Oti: right us an email, a hello fy podcast.com. KT: We're also on, enjoy the next three weeks of Sydney Film Festival coverage podcast if you like to leave a radio review, and we'll see you guys very, very soon. Oti: See ya. KT: Wow.