1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,750 KT: It's another week in the foyer reference household, and it is another 2 00:00:03,750 --> 00:00:08,310 bonus perhaps resurrected nugget in the foyer reference household. 3 00:00:08,355 --> 00:00:08,565 Oti: Mm-hmm. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,460 KT: We're doing a ref max, friends and lovers. 5 00:00:11,460 --> 00:00:13,380 If you needy love sponges. 6 00:00:13,530 --> 00:00:15,840 Need some more biblical episodes? 7 00:00:16,020 --> 00:00:20,521 We have covered the Prince of Egypt as well as Pat of the Christ. 8 00:00:20,825 --> 00:00:21,215 Oti: Yeah. 9 00:00:21,305 --> 00:00:22,265 Looking forward to the second one. 10 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:22,560 KT: Yeah. 11 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,460 Pius pilot. 12 00:00:24,555 --> 00:00:28,905 We have a great handful, um, of screenings and screeners that we'll be 13 00:00:28,905 --> 00:00:33,435 covering today and also over the next couple of weeks, take the show away. 14 00:00:48,787 --> 00:00:49,897 Hey, friends and lovers. 15 00:00:49,897 --> 00:00:55,747 Welcome back to another edition of Ref Max, where we cover invited 16 00:00:55,752 --> 00:01:01,867 previous screenings and access to early screeners from your most beloved Katie 17 00:01:02,027 --> 00:01:03,007 Oti: and OTI 18 00:01:03,272 --> 00:01:07,532 KT: On the docket today, friends and lovers, we have quite a 19 00:01:07,532 --> 00:01:09,872 lovely mix of Easter eggs. 20 00:01:10,202 --> 00:01:15,542 Uh, we have air, the air, but never to show the face of the air. 21 00:01:15,812 --> 00:01:19,442 The popes exorcist, hallelujah, and we're rounding it off. 22 00:01:19,462 --> 00:01:21,832 With Lilly Allen's Dreamland. 23 00:01:21,912 --> 00:01:22,522 Oti: Woohoo, 24 00:01:23,582 --> 00:01:29,542 KT: Woohoohoo, thank you to, um, our PR contacts, um, that have given us access to 25 00:01:29,942 --> 00:01:31,162 previous screeners as well as screenings. 26 00:01:31,402 --> 00:01:34,252 Everything we're covering today has been released. 27 00:01:34,522 --> 00:01:37,732 Um, I'll probably give a reminder at the end of this episode, but what you 28 00:01:37,762 --> 00:01:42,712 can look forward to is, uh, Thomas and Mackenzie's show totally, completely. 29 00:01:43,357 --> 00:01:43,477 Oti: Mm-hmm. 30 00:01:43,787 --> 00:01:44,777 KT: Tony Collette. 31 00:01:45,077 --> 00:01:48,977 Um, maybe we needed to space out because I went to back to back screenings 32 00:01:48,977 --> 00:01:50,597 of Australians playing Italians. 33 00:01:50,777 --> 00:01:53,597 Yes, I'm talking about Tony Collette in Mafia Mama. 34 00:01:54,247 --> 00:01:56,737 And then we got exclusive access. 35 00:01:56,742 --> 00:01:57,847 We already watch it. 36 00:01:58,027 --> 00:02:01,627 We got exclusive access to season four of a Black Lady Guest Show. 37 00:02:02,197 --> 00:02:03,547 Black Lady Guest Show. 38 00:02:04,027 --> 00:02:04,297 Yeah. 39 00:02:04,297 --> 00:02:07,147 And we've already watched it, so we're very excited to get closer to the date 40 00:02:07,297 --> 00:02:09,667 so we can share friends and lovers. 41 00:02:09,667 --> 00:02:13,747 We also have Evil Dead Rise, which may even be a full episode. 42 00:02:13,907 --> 00:02:14,327 Ote, 43 00:02:14,587 --> 00:02:15,697 Oti: Ah, think it might be. 44 00:02:15,747 --> 00:02:17,817 KT: Will open up the book of Clarence ot. 45 00:02:17,977 --> 00:02:18,637 Oti: I'll do one better. 46 00:02:18,787 --> 00:02:20,077 I'll bring the book of Eli. 47 00:02:20,227 --> 00:02:20,927 Oh, right. 48 00:02:22,977 --> 00:02:25,587 KT: Um, we also have Betty Gilpin, Mrs. 49 00:02:25,587 --> 00:02:26,367 Davis. 50 00:02:26,637 --> 00:02:30,177 We have Elizabeth Olson's Love and Death, and obviously 51 00:02:30,357 --> 00:02:32,067 risking it all for the Clemens 52 00:02:32,207 --> 00:02:32,557 Oti: Mm. 53 00:02:32,847 --> 00:02:36,117 KT: and Scars Guard and Mia Goff's, um, infinity Pool. 54 00:02:36,117 --> 00:02:39,537 So we have a lot on coming up, friends and lovers. 55 00:02:39,747 --> 00:02:42,867 And this week we've got a great bundle to tackle. 56 00:02:42,877 --> 00:02:43,477 Oti: Nice. 57 00:02:43,947 --> 00:02:46,527 KT: Well, let's get into the first, uh, screening. 58 00:02:46,557 --> 00:02:49,857 Thank you to our friends and lovers at Warner Brothers, as well 59 00:02:49,857 --> 00:02:52,407 as Universal for inviting us to 60 00:02:52,507 --> 00:02:53,017 Oti: air. 61 00:02:53,307 --> 00:02:53,797 Yeah, 62 00:02:54,207 --> 00:02:54,867 KT: yeah. 63 00:02:54,867 --> 00:02:57,537 That Air OT ridden, it was a full event. 64 00:02:57,567 --> 00:03:00,447 It was a full event, and you would know that if you were court signed. 65 00:03:03,132 --> 00:03:08,382 Directed by Ben Affleck, and I guess if we have time, we can talk about the Argo 66 00:03:08,592 --> 00:03:13,092 of it all, or I guess his filmography perhaps not a reference Dega Station. 67 00:03:13,272 --> 00:03:15,282 Perhaps just an express lunch menu. 68 00:03:15,342 --> 00:03:15,432 Mm-hmm. 69 00:03:15,822 --> 00:03:22,572 Written by Alex Convoy in way of cast, cast, cast, or all the stars are out. 70 00:03:22,572 --> 00:03:23,052 Ot. 71 00:03:23,352 --> 00:03:25,002 Matt Damon, Ben Affleck. 72 00:03:25,002 --> 00:03:26,292 Jason Bateman. 73 00:03:26,292 --> 00:03:28,122 Marlon Wayins, Chris. 74 00:03:28,677 --> 00:03:29,037 Scene. 75 00:03:30,117 --> 00:03:31,107 That's the end of my review. 76 00:03:31,347 --> 00:03:36,237 Uh, Chris Tucker, as well as Viola Davis and whoever the fuck played 77 00:03:36,237 --> 00:03:37,587 the back of Michael Jordan's head, 78 00:03:40,372 --> 00:03:41,422 Oti: Yo are bothered by the, 79 00:03:41,437 --> 00:03:41,597 KT: that. 80 00:03:42,807 --> 00:03:46,237 Who at least I got to see Jesus in passion of the Christ, but who? 81 00:03:46,797 --> 00:03:46,977 Who? 82 00:03:47,592 --> 00:03:49,902 Who welcome, welcome, friends and lovers. 83 00:03:49,902 --> 00:03:55,482 Yes, we are starting off with a legendary film, um, that's already 84 00:03:55,482 --> 00:03:59,952 impressing a lot of box office and a lot of, uh, sneaker and basketball head. 85 00:03:59,952 --> 00:04:01,332 Can you call them basketball heads? 86 00:04:01,362 --> 00:04:01,912 Oti: You can. 87 00:04:01,912 --> 00:04:02,692 I won't stop you. 88 00:04:02,742 --> 00:04:05,412 KT: I don't do a sports friends and lovers, uh, kick us off. 89 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:05,832 Ot. 90 00:04:06,142 --> 00:04:06,742 Oti: Wow. 91 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:08,662 What can I say about this movie? 92 00:04:08,752 --> 00:04:11,212 I did not think you, I'd enjoy it as much as I did. 93 00:04:11,217 --> 00:04:15,987 To be honest, um, and I know that you felt a bit weird at the end of it. 94 00:04:16,012 --> 00:04:17,612 KT: This isn't about me, but Okay. 95 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:19,617 Oti: now. 96 00:04:19,617 --> 00:04:21,117 I've just had to correlate the feelings. 97 00:04:21,207 --> 00:04:25,227 It had little laugh out loud moments in the movie, which usually in a 98 00:04:25,232 --> 00:04:28,887 cinema, because usually when you're watching a movie, there are moments 99 00:04:28,887 --> 00:04:31,527 in the movie where people will just laugh out of the random shit and it'll. 100 00:04:31,572 --> 00:04:32,152 KT: they'll annoy me. 101 00:04:32,272 --> 00:04:32,482 Yeah. 102 00:04:32,692 --> 00:04:36,322 Oti: This actually had some stuff and I was like, oh, I'd giggle along as well. 103 00:04:36,652 --> 00:04:36,952 Okay. 104 00:04:37,012 --> 00:04:37,732 Which is good. 105 00:04:38,002 --> 00:04:38,182 KT: Nice. 106 00:04:38,182 --> 00:04:39,682 So all in all, you had a great experience 107 00:04:39,682 --> 00:04:40,102 Oti: going in. 108 00:04:40,102 --> 00:04:42,892 I thought it'll be a movie about, there will be some aspects of 109 00:04:42,892 --> 00:04:47,752 sports, you know, some semblance of watching Jordan do his thing. 110 00:04:47,797 --> 00:04:48,817 KT: This is all business. 111 00:04:48,857 --> 00:04:49,787 Oti: It's all business. 112 00:04:49,837 --> 00:04:51,667 KT: It's all business in the front, business in the 113 00:04:52,037 --> 00:04:55,697 Oti: But I've never been so excited about sports branding and marketing. 114 00:04:55,927 --> 00:04:55,987 KT: Okay. 115 00:04:57,937 --> 00:04:58,237 It's 116 00:04:58,372 --> 00:05:01,607 Oti: of those things in Sports Biopics where you're like, okay, bro, they 117 00:05:01,607 --> 00:05:04,397 transla set it to a different level where they made sports marketing 118 00:05:04,402 --> 00:05:07,487 and branding something you're intrigued and interested about. 119 00:05:07,492 --> 00:05:07,747 Okay. 120 00:05:07,967 --> 00:05:09,347 And they executed it well. 121 00:05:09,942 --> 00:05:11,062 KT: Interesting, interesting. 122 00:05:11,092 --> 00:05:17,092 Um, you know, covering real life events, especially triumphant events where we're 123 00:05:17,092 --> 00:05:22,762 not necessarily sure of the events leading up to, but we know the hashtag spoiler 124 00:05:22,762 --> 00:05:27,742 alert that Jordan gets signed and he becomes synonymous with the Nike brand. 125 00:05:27,772 --> 00:05:28,192 Right. 126 00:05:28,372 --> 00:05:30,622 We know what we're working towards. 127 00:05:30,687 --> 00:05:35,367 So this film felt like sliding into a victory that was already won and 128 00:05:35,367 --> 00:05:37,317 offering nothing new or insightful. 129 00:05:37,527 --> 00:05:38,472 Oti: Wow. 130 00:05:38,547 --> 00:05:42,477 KT: It reminded me of House of Gucci and you know, you've spoiled 131 00:05:42,477 --> 00:05:45,717 yourself if you've watched it, so I'm not going to spoil you. 132 00:05:46,077 --> 00:05:49,377 But essentially nothing happens in House of Gucci the same way. 133 00:05:49,377 --> 00:05:51,507 Nothing really happens in air. 134 00:05:51,687 --> 00:05:55,017 We know that, um, Michael Jordan is going to get. 135 00:05:55,672 --> 00:06:00,652 You know, and we know that there's obviously a, a whole shift of culture 136 00:06:00,712 --> 00:06:05,422 and can I just say for the Jordan brand or the Air Jordan brand to be 137 00:06:05,422 --> 00:06:10,912 so embedded in not just black culture, but global sports athleisure where af 138 00:06:10,912 --> 00:06:13,462 athlete, like athlete wear culture. 139 00:06:13,492 --> 00:06:17,062 It's kind of embarrassing to have three dorky white guys be the pioneers of that. 140 00:06:17,992 --> 00:06:19,852 But anyway, did someone say, 141 00:06:19,912 --> 00:06:20,212 Oti: Elvis? 142 00:06:21,302 --> 00:06:22,652 Oh bro. 143 00:06:23,157 --> 00:06:25,372 KT: Austin Butler sinking his back. 144 00:06:25,852 --> 00:06:26,452 Um, 145 00:06:26,452 --> 00:06:27,322 Oti: not understand? 146 00:06:27,322 --> 00:06:28,282 It wasn't about, 147 00:06:28,412 --> 00:06:31,072 KT: Hey, hey, hey, don't, don't attack my intelligence. 148 00:06:31,072 --> 00:06:31,162 Its 149 00:06:31,192 --> 00:06:33,682 Oti: who stepped the foot into the air. 150 00:06:33,682 --> 00:06:36,562 Wouldn't be air without Jordan stepping his foot in 151 00:06:36,672 --> 00:06:36,752 KT: it. 152 00:06:37,002 --> 00:06:38,112 Oh, okay. 153 00:06:39,862 --> 00:06:40,762 Oh, all 154 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:44,007 Oti: it could've been made by, it could've been made by anyone, 155 00:06:44,007 --> 00:06:47,907 but the fact that it was Jordan's brand, that's all the matters. 156 00:06:47,987 --> 00:06:48,597 Koberg. 157 00:06:48,597 --> 00:06:49,077 Mm-hmm. 158 00:06:49,507 --> 00:06:50,067 KT: Filmer. 159 00:06:50,067 --> 00:06:50,507 Mm-hmm. 160 00:06:50,587 --> 00:06:50,907 Cool. 161 00:06:50,907 --> 00:06:51,587 Sneaker film. 162 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:58,447 Um, it was exhausting for me because obviously there was nothing in this film 163 00:06:58,447 --> 00:07:03,877 that was for me and really anything can be for me if we're working on really building 164 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:07,987 out the characters in the resonance and there was so much like, don't worry 165 00:07:07,987 --> 00:07:09,907 about whether Michael Jordan's in it. 166 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:14,707 And it's like you don't watch like Batman versus Superman and 167 00:07:14,707 --> 00:07:18,157 not expect to see Superman there unless he fucks off to the Witcher. 168 00:07:18,217 --> 00:07:19,087 You know what I mean? 169 00:07:20,292 --> 00:07:23,592 And I think this is what happens when people get too close to the 170 00:07:23,592 --> 00:07:26,052 making of a film or a documentary. 171 00:07:26,322 --> 00:07:30,522 Obviously there's the inclusion of Michael Jordan and you know, 172 00:07:30,527 --> 00:07:32,202 maybe even the team around them. 173 00:07:32,322 --> 00:07:34,512 We haven't watched a lot of interviews about air, but we were 174 00:07:34,902 --> 00:07:38,322 watching one of Chris Tucker and he said it in a very beautiful way. 175 00:07:38,322 --> 00:07:39,642 But if you read between the. 176 00:07:39,642 --> 00:07:40,237 Oti: lines, 177 00:07:40,572 --> 00:07:43,512 KT: When Ben Affleck and the team consulted Michael Jordan, 178 00:07:43,842 --> 00:07:45,252 he said he needed two things. 179 00:07:45,252 --> 00:07:48,507 He needed Viola Davis to play his mums not bubbling over Michael 180 00:07:48,817 --> 00:07:49,087 Oti: Mm-hmm. 181 00:07:49,862 --> 00:07:52,692 KT: Um, and then he also needed Howard White to be in the film. 182 00:07:52,692 --> 00:07:54,522 It was very important for him to be in the film. 183 00:07:54,652 --> 00:07:55,012 Mm-hmm. 184 00:07:55,017 --> 00:07:58,032 Notably one of the only black characters in the film, but I don't even know if 185 00:07:58,032 --> 00:08:00,132 we need to talk about that specifically. 186 00:08:00,637 --> 00:08:03,907 But the point is, and I would imagine this would be very late in the 187 00:08:03,907 --> 00:08:06,637 development, because Chris Tucker talked about the fact that there 188 00:08:06,637 --> 00:08:08,527 wasn't any dialogue for this character. 189 00:08:08,767 --> 00:08:12,307 I would be hard pressed to believe that they were in early stages of development 190 00:08:12,547 --> 00:08:16,237 to have Howard White based on that feedback and not have any dialogue. 191 00:08:16,267 --> 00:08:16,657 Right? 192 00:08:16,807 --> 00:08:19,837 So if it happened late in the piece, and then Chris Tucker again, it's. 193 00:08:20,292 --> 00:08:23,652 It's a beautiful thing and Chris Tucker obviously is talking about 194 00:08:23,652 --> 00:08:27,282 delivering how he spent time researching Howard White, his friends, 195 00:08:27,282 --> 00:08:28,662 so they chopped it up together. 196 00:08:28,722 --> 00:08:32,922 But if you read between the lines, the writer's room was not, or chose 197 00:08:32,927 --> 00:08:36,912 not to be prepared to make space for a character or a person or a 198 00:08:36,912 --> 00:08:40,782 figure like Howard White, what does that say to the credibility of this? 199 00:08:40,992 --> 00:08:45,162 Because the highest commission on this film was nostalgia and it was sickening. 200 00:08:45,262 --> 00:08:45,802 Oti: I hear you. 201 00:08:45,922 --> 00:08:48,952 It was surprising when I heard him say that because in the movie 202 00:08:48,952 --> 00:08:50,272 he played such a pivotal role. 203 00:08:50,362 --> 00:08:51,832 At least I thought he did. 204 00:08:51,877 --> 00:08:52,537 KT: Oh, absolutely. 205 00:08:52,537 --> 00:08:52,867 He was 206 00:08:52,892 --> 00:08:53,012 Oti: was 207 00:08:53,322 --> 00:08:53,647 KT: gap. 208 00:08:53,647 --> 00:08:55,507 The same as Marlon Wayne's character as 209 00:08:55,612 --> 00:08:58,552 Oti: Yeah, so it, it was wild that he wasn't included and 210 00:08:58,552 --> 00:09:00,112 he had to do his own dialog. 211 00:09:00,217 --> 00:09:03,217 KT: You can only, I love Jason Bateman, but you can only have so 212 00:09:03,217 --> 00:09:04,867 many Jason Batemans in the film. 213 00:09:05,257 --> 00:09:08,527 Like at some point, especially if we're talking about how important it 214 00:09:08,527 --> 00:09:13,567 is to protect young black athletes, there needs to be black people behind 215 00:09:13,567 --> 00:09:17,287 the scenes, which there were, but they were included very late in the film. 216 00:09:17,287 --> 00:09:19,207 And what my point is there. 217 00:09:20,167 --> 00:09:23,047 Chris Tucker wasn't playing laugh out loud Tucker. 218 00:09:23,077 --> 00:09:26,617 He was playing office friendly tucker, but people were eating 219 00:09:26,617 --> 00:09:29,647 it up in the cinema, which is a different story for another day. 220 00:09:29,887 --> 00:09:33,277 But he brought a lot of, um, nuance to the role. 221 00:09:33,307 --> 00:09:37,477 But I, I I, I, I would worry that people would just be like, haha, 222 00:09:37,482 --> 00:09:38,827 he's doing a Chris Tucker thing. 223 00:09:39,582 --> 00:09:39,642 Oti: You 224 00:09:39,727 --> 00:09:40,327 KT: what I mean? 225 00:09:40,807 --> 00:09:41,647 Um, is 226 00:09:41,652 --> 00:09:43,932 Oti: the farthest, the Chris Tucker thing you could ever imagine. 227 00:09:44,002 --> 00:09:44,452 KT: Yeah. 228 00:09:44,452 --> 00:09:46,822 So, you know, it's moments like that. 229 00:09:46,822 --> 00:09:50,302 And there was some disingenuousness around the film in general. 230 00:09:50,482 --> 00:09:53,692 That's why I was saying like, sometimes they got too close, you know, and 231 00:09:53,692 --> 00:09:58,072 even, you know, we, we didn't, um, we're, we're saying, we're not talking 232 00:09:58,072 --> 00:10:04,012 about spoilers, but there's a general disingenuousness about, I guess the 233 00:10:04,012 --> 00:10:06,862 philanthropy that Ben Affleck's character. 234 00:10:07,582 --> 00:10:12,322 Being the head of Nike and, you know, all of the donations, all of the 235 00:10:12,322 --> 00:10:14,392 goodwill, all of that sort of stuff. 236 00:10:14,392 --> 00:10:17,602 And it's like they even made a comment or two about the factories 237 00:10:17,602 --> 00:10:21,142 and about the actual sweatshops that create Nike brand, right? 238 00:10:21,147 --> 00:10:21,232 Mm-hmm. 239 00:10:21,772 --> 00:10:26,602 So then you can't cover it by saying he donates millions and billions 240 00:10:26,602 --> 00:10:30,292 of dollars, because at the end of the day, that doesn't equal that. 241 00:10:30,292 --> 00:10:33,652 The math, the, the ethical math does not equal that math. 242 00:10:33,782 --> 00:10:34,142 Oti: Yeah. 243 00:10:34,147 --> 00:10:36,332 I, I, I saw that aspect of it. 244 00:10:36,452 --> 00:10:40,412 It, it, it felt nacho's, uh, sort of brand. 245 00:10:40,412 --> 00:10:40,832 Right. 246 00:10:41,062 --> 00:10:43,472 It, it did feel like it did feel that way. 247 00:10:43,532 --> 00:10:49,712 Um, but I chose to focus on the fact of the journey of Michael and impact Jordan. 248 00:10:50,332 --> 00:10:50,902 Hard. 249 00:10:50,992 --> 00:10:51,352 Yeah. 250 00:10:51,472 --> 00:10:55,582 You know, uh, in getting a deal for Michael, that was super beneficial. 251 00:10:55,657 --> 00:10:56,077 KT: Yeah. 252 00:10:56,177 --> 00:10:59,587 I, I guess, cause I do wanna talk a little bit more about the film cuz 253 00:10:59,587 --> 00:11:02,677 there's definitely, you know, some great themes and, you know, some great 254 00:11:02,682 --> 00:11:04,357 sort of sentiments to talk about. 255 00:11:04,657 --> 00:11:09,067 But like, I, I guess just rounding out my first impressions about Air 256 00:11:09,067 --> 00:11:14,227 and the disingenuous specifically, um, you know, it talks about how, 257 00:11:14,497 --> 00:11:19,397 you know, air Jordan specifically, Sold or continues to sell billions. 258 00:11:19,457 --> 00:11:23,327 You know, the, the boss of the company is donating billions. 259 00:11:23,537 --> 00:11:27,917 They play Bruce Springsteen's and then you just yell, capitalism. 260 00:11:27,917 --> 00:11:30,017 Yeah, that's America. 261 00:11:30,557 --> 00:11:31,817 And I'm like, really? 262 00:11:31,877 --> 00:11:33,587 We're not dumb babies. 263 00:11:33,857 --> 00:11:36,977 We might be needy love sponges, but we're not dumb babies. 264 00:11:36,977 --> 00:11:40,847 Don't try and wrap this up in an ethical bow, is what I'm saying. 265 00:11:41,027 --> 00:11:42,317 Let's just take it for what? 266 00:11:42,707 --> 00:11:43,427 Oti: fair enough. 267 00:11:43,762 --> 00:11:44,092 KT: Um, 268 00:11:45,417 --> 00:11:45,707 Oti: I, 269 00:11:45,862 --> 00:11:48,172 KT: I guess you could argue I'm already taking away from the 270 00:11:48,172 --> 00:11:52,492 experience, so I won't share specific sort of lines of dialogue. 271 00:11:52,642 --> 00:11:57,382 Um, but there was definitely moments in the film and I, I don't know if I'm 272 00:11:57,382 --> 00:12:01,312 talking about penmanship, I'm not talk sure if I'm talking about performances, 273 00:12:01,612 --> 00:12:05,962 but it felt like there was some historical or, you know, some meaty sort of, 274 00:12:06,487 --> 00:12:10,567 That they wanted to insert into the film, whether it felt organic or not, 275 00:12:10,597 --> 00:12:14,767 you know, dialogue that they wanted to have in there that just stuck out 276 00:12:15,247 --> 00:12:18,637 that they just put dialogue in there because they wanted like, so, so what? 277 00:12:18,877 --> 00:12:21,367 I won't say it, but Ada being Nazis. 278 00:12:21,547 --> 00:12:23,377 Leaning on the German laughs. 279 00:12:23,497 --> 00:12:24,127 Just do it. 280 00:12:24,127 --> 00:12:27,937 The origin story about the firing squad, um, air Jordan. 281 00:12:27,967 --> 00:12:31,147 Weird seeking something become so part of the culture, having three men. 282 00:12:31,152 --> 00:12:31,807 Yeah, I talked about that. 283 00:12:32,047 --> 00:12:33,697 Naming Nike and the Swoosh. 284 00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:34,487 Oti: I don't know. 285 00:12:34,517 --> 00:12:35,807 I found those interesting. 286 00:12:35,897 --> 00:12:37,877 Yeah, those, some are quite hilarious as well. 287 00:12:37,907 --> 00:12:44,357 So to me it it, it played a part of sort of creating a, a general sense of 288 00:12:44,477 --> 00:12:46,367 where they were at the time as well. 289 00:12:46,372 --> 00:12:46,797 Okay. 290 00:12:46,797 --> 00:12:48,977 And, and I think it played to that bit too. 291 00:12:48,977 --> 00:12:50,837 Well, and I was like, oh, kudos man. 292 00:12:50,902 --> 00:12:51,232 KT: Okay. 293 00:12:51,232 --> 00:12:56,872 Well, um, cool to you Mar um, one of these moments, and we don't need to get 294 00:12:56,872 --> 00:13:02,122 into full detail, but I guess this is just to drive home the specific example 295 00:13:02,302 --> 00:13:06,352 or, you know, the sort of tonality that I'm talking about in the film. 296 00:13:06,622 --> 00:13:07,402 We have. 297 00:13:07,572 --> 00:13:13,572 George Raveling, who is played by Marlin Williams, and he talks about how he was 298 00:13:13,572 --> 00:13:18,042 part of a iconic part in history, which we don't have to spoil it if you don't 299 00:13:18,047 --> 00:13:24,492 want to, but that felt like, even if it's true, it felt like, oh, these producers 300 00:13:24,497 --> 00:13:26,352 were salivating to put it in this film. 301 00:13:29,062 --> 00:13:33,922 Oti: Well, yeah, but he himself sees it, I think, in real life, which 302 00:13:34,057 --> 00:13:35,467 KT: I'm not saying it's not true. 303 00:13:35,527 --> 00:13:39,367 I'm just saying the way that they chose to include it with a whole other 304 00:13:39,367 --> 00:13:42,337 bunch of things were like, Ugh, really? 305 00:13:42,397 --> 00:13:45,427 Oti: I think there are a lot of moving pieces in this and a lot of people who 306 00:13:45,427 --> 00:13:49,457 play different roles, and I cannot say regardless of what the pro producers 307 00:13:49,457 --> 00:13:54,937 are, salivating or not, I just couldn't fault anything there that felt, oh, 308 00:13:54,937 --> 00:13:58,627 they just did it because of, you know, to have a raving sort of moment. 309 00:13:58,687 --> 00:13:58,807 Mm-hmm. 310 00:13:59,077 --> 00:14:02,437 It, it worked for me in trying to highlight their accomplishments. 311 00:14:02,437 --> 00:14:05,527 I think though, especially for me when watching this, the raving and. 312 00:14:06,157 --> 00:14:09,837 Howard White's characters stood out for me even more so why? 313 00:14:10,027 --> 00:14:11,137 I, I have no idea. 314 00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:16,537 I, I can't, there's no straight correlation to that, but I'll 315 00:14:16,542 --> 00:14:17,767 try to figure it out later. 316 00:14:18,037 --> 00:14:21,487 But I enjoyed those moments and I enjoyed seeing them play 317 00:14:21,487 --> 00:14:23,287 a part in such a global brand. 318 00:14:23,347 --> 00:14:26,887 And you know that, especially when someone like Howard White wasn't even meant to 319 00:14:26,887 --> 00:14:28,357 be in the, in the movie, in the fast. 320 00:14:28,402 --> 00:14:28,762 KT: place. 321 00:14:28,852 --> 00:14:29,152 Yeah. 322 00:14:29,512 --> 00:14:31,462 Not that he wasn't meant to be there, that he wasn't 323 00:14:31,497 --> 00:14:32,517 Oti: room, he wasn't considered, 324 00:14:32,722 --> 00:14:33,682 KT: where it was happening. 325 00:14:33,717 --> 00:14:34,017 Oti: Yeah. 326 00:14:34,707 --> 00:14:38,487 It just shows you that there's that disparity that I was still trying to 327 00:14:38,487 --> 00:14:43,347 cross and I clutched onto those moments, however cheesy you might think it is. 328 00:14:43,407 --> 00:14:44,547 I was living for it. 329 00:14:44,607 --> 00:14:44,847 Yeah. 330 00:14:44,907 --> 00:14:46,767 I like some black cheesiness. 331 00:14:46,822 --> 00:14:48,322 KT: You found My web search is 332 00:14:48,657 --> 00:14:48,777 Oti: it? 333 00:14:48,882 --> 00:14:49,232 KT: zt. 334 00:14:52,372 --> 00:14:56,542 Well, I wanna share something joyful that I experienced in the film. 335 00:14:56,617 --> 00:14:57,697 Oti: Oh wow. 336 00:14:58,462 --> 00:14:59,452 KT: Respectfully. 337 00:14:59,452 --> 00:15:02,812 Chris Massino was the jockstrap that held this game together. 338 00:15:05,392 --> 00:15:08,482 He was the best part, fucking part of this film. 339 00:15:08,662 --> 00:15:10,102 I really enjoyed him. 340 00:15:10,742 --> 00:15:14,242 Everyone just needed to, you know, it's Christmas's world and we just live in it. 341 00:15:14,242 --> 00:15:14,362 Mm-hmm. 342 00:15:14,872 --> 00:15:17,992 I've been going to therapy, but I feel like I can go to the final 343 00:15:17,992 --> 00:15:20,482 form with c Messina as my therapist. 344 00:15:20,947 --> 00:15:21,157 Oti: Yeah. 345 00:15:21,157 --> 00:15:22,927 He was really, really good man. 346 00:15:23,002 --> 00:15:24,352 KT: He was also Ango as well. 347 00:15:24,352 --> 00:15:25,102 Would you believe? 348 00:15:25,207 --> 00:15:26,277 Oti: Oh, he's got a thing, 349 00:15:26,452 --> 00:15:26,692 KT: He's 350 00:15:26,877 --> 00:15:27,957 Oti: got a, got a Ben afk. 351 00:15:30,442 --> 00:15:30,802 KT: Oh. 352 00:15:30,807 --> 00:15:34,252 But like did you absolutely love his character throughout? 353 00:15:34,252 --> 00:15:34,762 I did. 354 00:15:35,107 --> 00:15:38,857 Oti: Uh, I, I don't know if love is the right word for me. 355 00:15:38,887 --> 00:15:39,847 He was definitely a. 356 00:15:40,507 --> 00:15:40,897 KT: Okay. 357 00:15:40,897 --> 00:15:48,937 More than Michael Jordan l I just really thought tonally, he absolutely worked. 358 00:15:48,937 --> 00:15:53,377 I don't know when or if they were deciding on the other characters to 359 00:15:53,377 --> 00:15:55,477 meet him on that sort of tonality. 360 00:15:55,477 --> 00:15:58,897 Like he was on the big short Wolf of Wall Street and everyone else 361 00:15:58,897 --> 00:16:00,787 was playing Dungeons and Dragons. 362 00:16:02,547 --> 00:16:02,967 Oti: Wow. 363 00:16:03,197 --> 00:16:03,787 Yeah, we're 364 00:16:04,012 --> 00:16:05,692 KT: the wave of cinema nostalgia. 365 00:16:05,692 --> 00:16:05,962 Oti, 366 00:16:06,037 --> 00:16:08,317 Oti: Oh, are you throwing sand Man's hope to it. 367 00:16:08,362 --> 00:16:11,002 KT: I'm looking forward to Sandman season two, I must say. 368 00:16:11,317 --> 00:16:11,667 Oti: Oh. 369 00:16:11,842 --> 00:16:15,022 KT: Um, well, I don't know how much more you wanna talk on, but there are a 370 00:16:15,027 --> 00:16:17,302 couple of things I want to talk about. 371 00:16:17,307 --> 00:16:20,062 Something that I thought was really interesting, and if you are as. 372 00:16:20,207 --> 00:16:24,527 Sports person, then this won't be a surprise or a spoiler or if you like 373 00:16:24,527 --> 00:16:28,067 shoes or if you follow the history, the sports history, you'll already know this. 374 00:16:28,127 --> 00:16:31,067 Um, we don't need to talk a lot of detail, but I just wanted to 375 00:16:31,067 --> 00:16:35,267 comment on, it was interesting because at the time in the N B A. 376 00:16:35,957 --> 00:16:40,157 There was over, it had to be over 50% white, the shoes that they were wearing. 377 00:16:40,277 --> 00:16:40,457 Mm-hmm. 378 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:44,447 So I thought that was quite interesting because it didn't make, obviously there 379 00:16:44,447 --> 00:16:48,647 were like iCal type of dialogue as well, which I'm like, Ugh, whatever. 380 00:16:48,827 --> 00:16:50,867 You don't have the depth to tread this water. 381 00:16:50,867 --> 00:16:57,167 But anyway, um, but it was interesting how they were prepared to tackle that. 382 00:16:57,317 --> 00:17:01,177 Oti: Yeah, they weren't all guns blazing on trying to all lure 383 00:17:01,397 --> 00:17:04,367 Michael to Nike that they felt. 384 00:17:04,427 --> 00:17:08,387 And I thought, and, and this is what I said as a sports branding and 385 00:17:08,387 --> 00:17:12,737 marketing movie, this just made it so interesting because I found that really, 386 00:17:12,737 --> 00:17:14,447 really exciting to watch in the movie. 387 00:17:14,512 --> 00:17:15,582 KT: Show me the money. 388 00:17:16,552 --> 00:17:18,022 Wouldn't you just watch Jerry McGuire 389 00:17:18,197 --> 00:17:19,097 Oti: everything. 390 00:17:19,337 --> 00:17:22,247 Sink to it to make him sign. 391 00:17:22,657 --> 00:17:22,777 Hmm. 392 00:17:22,782 --> 00:17:26,177 And there's nothing else he can do other than appreciate the effort. 393 00:17:26,242 --> 00:17:26,632 KT: Okay. 394 00:17:26,752 --> 00:17:32,122 Um, the last thing I wanted to talk about, um, with AIR is the lack of 395 00:17:32,182 --> 00:17:36,082 presence, or maybe this was during the three days where he was waiting to load 396 00:17:36,082 --> 00:17:40,252 and get resurrected, uh, Michael Jordan, but like the lack of presence that we. 397 00:17:40,757 --> 00:17:42,347 Of Michael Jordan in the film. 398 00:17:42,347 --> 00:17:43,547 What were your thoughts on that? 399 00:17:43,657 --> 00:17:46,087 Oti: I didn't mind it because at the end of the day, it wasn't necessarily 400 00:17:46,087 --> 00:17:48,577 about Michael Jordan per se. 401 00:17:48,637 --> 00:17:50,047 It was everything around it. 402 00:17:50,107 --> 00:17:52,447 And I found it quite interesting. 403 00:17:52,447 --> 00:17:56,587 Well, it, it, it felt a bit distracting at first, but once I got onto 404 00:17:56,587 --> 00:17:57,967 the boat, I was like, okay, cool. 405 00:17:58,027 --> 00:17:58,807 We're not gonna see him. 406 00:17:58,807 --> 00:17:59,497 I'm fine with that. 407 00:17:59,497 --> 00:18:01,177 Let's focus on everything else around him. 408 00:18:01,207 --> 00:18:03,697 KT: So there was a lot of suspending of belief is what you're saying? 409 00:18:03,782 --> 00:18:04,837 Oti: Not suspending of belief. 410 00:18:05,522 --> 00:18:10,172 As they said in the movie, and, and I think it was also out before people knew 411 00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:12,212 that Michael wasn't gonna be in the movie. 412 00:18:12,242 --> 00:18:13,502 That's not a spoiler. 413 00:18:13,562 --> 00:18:15,422 I just didn't know how it would work. 414 00:18:15,452 --> 00:18:18,812 But the way they executed it, I, it made sense to 415 00:18:19,022 --> 00:18:21,692 KT: Hey, we're gonna have John Wick, but John Wick's not gonna be in it. 416 00:18:21,862 --> 00:18:22,942 Oti: It's not the same thing 417 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,622 KT: we're gonna have Super Mario, but it's this gonna be Luigi. 418 00:18:25,672 --> 00:18:28,792 Oti: if you're focusing on the on, on the tailor for John Wick's suits. 419 00:18:28,882 --> 00:18:30,082 Why should John Wick be there? 420 00:18:30,142 --> 00:18:31,612 He's just aware of the suit. 421 00:18:31,702 --> 00:18:37,312 We are focusing more on I on on his tailor and how everything he did to 422 00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:39,322 get John Wick the best possible suit. 423 00:18:39,367 --> 00:18:40,807 And that's the end of the story. 424 00:18:40,807 --> 00:18:43,567 We don't need to know how he jumps around with that suit, how he can 425 00:18:43,567 --> 00:18:45,127 jump off buildings and all that. 426 00:18:45,202 --> 00:18:45,502 KT: Okay. 427 00:18:45,502 --> 00:18:47,272 I think you're just saying stuff to 428 00:18:47,287 --> 00:18:47,377 Oti: me. 429 00:18:47,602 --> 00:18:48,022 KT: a point. 430 00:18:50,392 --> 00:18:51,052 Cool, bro. 431 00:18:51,412 --> 00:18:51,892 Cool. 432 00:18:51,897 --> 00:18:53,272 Film sneaker, bro. 433 00:18:53,662 --> 00:18:55,282 Um, but let's move on. 434 00:18:55,562 --> 00:18:56,282 Let's move on. 435 00:18:56,282 --> 00:18:59,162 This was, this was a journey I ventured into. 436 00:18:59,372 --> 00:19:03,842 This is some pendants and some absolution that I experienced on my own. 437 00:19:04,427 --> 00:19:05,687 Oti: Did you go on the stage? 438 00:19:07,502 --> 00:19:09,332 KT: I wish I went on the stage. 439 00:19:09,662 --> 00:19:14,102 Um, we are very big thaw, love and thunder, um, fans, friends and lovers. 440 00:19:14,107 --> 00:19:18,512 But thank you so much to our friends and lovers at Sony for giving us. 441 00:19:19,122 --> 00:19:23,052 To the previous screening of the Pope's Exorcist. 442 00:19:23,382 --> 00:19:28,062 Uh, let's get into general, um, sort of information, general information. 443 00:19:28,062 --> 00:19:31,752 We have Director Julius Avery, in regards to writers. 444 00:19:31,752 --> 00:19:34,122 We have screenplay by Michael Patone. 445 00:19:34,417 --> 00:19:37,717 Evan Spills as well as rd McCreary. 446 00:19:38,047 --> 00:19:41,377 Um, in way of cast, cast, cast, cast. 447 00:19:41,557 --> 00:19:45,367 I always think of the sum of us friends and lovers, but we also have 448 00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:50,947 international intergalactic treasure, Russell Crow, Daniel Vato, um, 449 00:19:50,947 --> 00:19:53,587 Alex Esso, as well as Franco Nero. 450 00:19:54,347 --> 00:19:54,837 Oti: Nice. 451 00:19:55,432 --> 00:19:56,182 KT: How nice. 452 00:19:56,182 --> 00:19:56,632 Biblical. 453 00:19:56,632 --> 00:19:57,262 Nice. 454 00:19:57,477 --> 00:19:57,797 Oti: could be. 455 00:19:58,372 --> 00:20:05,212 KT: Okay, so this film, um, as the name suggests, is about an Exorcist, uh, 456 00:20:05,272 --> 00:20:09,652 OT is our residential Catholic boy, so maybe he can fill in some gaps. 457 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,092 Um, I'm not sure. 458 00:20:11,092 --> 00:20:15,352 Is an exorcist just like a separate title or do you need to still go through 459 00:20:15,352 --> 00:20:17,572 the priest path to get to Exorcist? 460 00:20:17,572 --> 00:20:19,972 Is that just like a spicy seasoning to being a. 461 00:20:20,692 --> 00:20:24,082 Oti: No, you, you, I think exorcism can only be performed 462 00:20:24,082 --> 00:20:25,972 by priests over a certain level. 463 00:20:26,152 --> 00:20:26,452 KT: Yeah. 464 00:20:26,452 --> 00:20:28,882 So you need to go through the same sort of pathway because 465 00:20:29,122 --> 00:20:30,682 that's how it felt in the film. 466 00:20:30,682 --> 00:20:33,202 Obviously I'm not going to spoil anything. 467 00:20:33,442 --> 00:20:38,092 Um, this is inspired by the actual files of Father Gabriel Amorth, 468 00:20:38,332 --> 00:20:40,432 the Chief Exorcist of the Vatican. 469 00:20:41,032 --> 00:20:43,672 Um, I thought this was very interesting. 470 00:20:43,672 --> 00:20:46,212 I knew I wasn't going to get the two pop. 471 00:20:46,342 --> 00:20:49,012 Which is a film that I really, really love. 472 00:20:49,222 --> 00:20:54,592 My good, um, my feel good sort of film, um, AI jacket pending. 473 00:20:55,162 --> 00:20:59,422 I wasn't sure what to expect in the film. 474 00:20:59,482 --> 00:21:05,902 And tonally there was a lot of dialogue that didn't match the serious conviction 475 00:21:06,232 --> 00:21:07,882 that the performances brought. 476 00:21:08,017 --> 00:21:08,227 Oti: Okay. 477 00:21:08,227 --> 00:21:08,377 How 478 00:21:08,627 --> 00:21:13,817 KT: Like imagine we're watching Passion of the Christ, like how very seriously the 479 00:21:13,817 --> 00:21:19,387 film takes itself and it's telling a very serious story, but then you have dialogue. 480 00:21:19,392 --> 00:21:20,177 That's from it. 481 00:21:20,177 --> 00:21:26,267 Chapter two, I was literally waiting for moments where there would be, the 482 00:21:26,272 --> 00:21:28,727 kids would be like, you are small. 483 00:21:28,727 --> 00:21:30,027 You are small. 484 00:21:30,487 --> 00:21:32,587 Oti: Don't even trigger my P T S D on that man. 485 00:21:34,852 --> 00:21:40,222 KT: Um, so the film, ah, the, the film was interesting in the sense 486 00:21:40,222 --> 00:21:44,482 that there were definitely some themes that I wish they had focused on more. 487 00:21:44,602 --> 00:21:49,102 Even though I say that I am character and narrative driven, I think the 488 00:21:49,107 --> 00:21:50,602 themes that it was raising in the. 489 00:21:50,772 --> 00:21:55,032 Film was more interesting than the path that we were going down. 490 00:21:55,452 --> 00:22:00,162 Um, obviously there's certain sort of possesses, um, and you know, it 491 00:22:00,167 --> 00:22:05,472 kind of focuses on a little kid, I would say, like a preteen sort of kid. 492 00:22:05,622 --> 00:22:08,142 Um, think scary movie level. 493 00:22:08,202 --> 00:22:10,302 And I'm pretty, I haven't, I haven't dabbled. 494 00:22:10,682 --> 00:22:14,762 I haven't doubled into the scary movie franchise, but I'm almost certain they've 495 00:22:14,762 --> 00:22:17,072 done like an Exorcist parody, right? 496 00:22:17,077 --> 00:22:17,542 Mm-hmm. 497 00:22:17,622 --> 00:22:20,762 And I can almost guarantee you whatever dialogue they said in the 498 00:22:20,762 --> 00:22:25,822 scary movie equivalent was also said in this film, because I'm like, 499 00:22:26,722 --> 00:22:26,812 Oti: I'm 500 00:22:26,942 --> 00:22:31,102 KT: like, how are you saying these things right now in a. 501 00:22:31,782 --> 00:22:36,772 So grounded in, I guess, as much of a reality as you can get in the Catholic 502 00:22:36,777 --> 00:22:38,742 Church El, you know what I mean? 503 00:22:38,742 --> 00:22:42,882 So it was very interesting because it kind of pulled me out of the 504 00:22:42,882 --> 00:22:45,822 film and, you know, not for nothing. 505 00:22:45,852 --> 00:22:50,202 And I don't know, you know, our, our rados coach owning, loving, um, 506 00:22:50,567 --> 00:22:53,237 Russell Crow, he's like the pavlova. 507 00:22:53,507 --> 00:22:55,787 Um, you know, New Zealand will try and claim him. 508 00:22:55,787 --> 00:22:57,347 We'll also try and claim him. 509 00:22:57,827 --> 00:22:59,207 Um, and I love him. 510 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:00,467 I love him, love him, love him. 511 00:23:00,467 --> 00:23:02,147 I obviously don't know his heritage. 512 00:23:02,147 --> 00:23:06,947 He might also have, you know, Italian ancestry and, you know, he's very. 513 00:23:07,312 --> 00:23:12,142 Um, he's very committed to the role that he's playing as Father Gabriel. 514 00:23:12,232 --> 00:23:17,872 I am not Italian, so obviously I don't know how accurate his accent is, but 515 00:23:17,877 --> 00:23:19,192 you know, the same thing with tar. 516 00:23:19,192 --> 00:23:23,062 Like you can tell that he really put a lot of effort into this performance, but the 517 00:23:23,062 --> 00:23:27,982 moment you put him next to Italian people and this picking Italian, it's just like 518 00:23:28,222 --> 00:23:30,712 one of these things is not like the other. 519 00:23:33,157 --> 00:23:36,307 And you can copy and paste that when we talk about Tony Colette. 520 00:23:36,847 --> 00:23:42,517 Um, so I think, I think tonally that gives you an idea of what this film is. 521 00:23:42,667 --> 00:23:47,227 It might just be fun to watch OT watch this, um, because I've watched the film so 522 00:23:47,227 --> 00:23:49,537 I can just focus on your reactions to it. 523 00:23:49,867 --> 00:23:55,007 But yeah, the dialogue was very, very, Sing, um, think even like the 524 00:23:55,007 --> 00:23:58,877 orphan, like the, the, the OG orphan that we really, really enjoyed. 525 00:23:58,877 --> 00:23:59,207 Right. 526 00:23:59,477 --> 00:24:02,597 You know, some of that dialogue was a bit ridiculous, but it 527 00:24:02,597 --> 00:24:06,467 worked in the way that even the performances were a bit ridiculous. 528 00:24:06,472 --> 00:24:06,557 Right. 529 00:24:07,312 --> 00:24:10,162 This film was very much, this is very serious. 530 00:24:10,162 --> 00:24:11,542 This is very dogma. 531 00:24:11,842 --> 00:24:14,752 You know, we we're channeling all of the spirits right now. 532 00:24:14,882 --> 00:24:15,242 Yeah. 533 00:24:15,532 --> 00:24:18,142 Some of the themes that I thought were really interesting that I wish 534 00:24:18,142 --> 00:24:25,072 they had dived more into is the idea of how religion is formidable 535 00:24:25,077 --> 00:24:26,812 and it's an immovable force. 536 00:24:27,067 --> 00:24:30,607 That you can have a church, like the Catholic church, you know, one of 537 00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:35,197 the, one of the three main sort of religions around the world and the 538 00:24:35,197 --> 00:24:39,817 discussion of do they, should they and will they move with the times? 539 00:24:40,477 --> 00:24:42,667 And that was a very interesting sort of theme. 540 00:24:42,877 --> 00:24:45,817 And you know, obviously there's a lot of that in the tu pops, 541 00:24:45,877 --> 00:24:49,357 um, dip ops, um, as well, right? 542 00:24:49,357 --> 00:24:50,767 So I really. 543 00:24:51,487 --> 00:24:52,807 That sort of discussion. 544 00:24:52,807 --> 00:24:56,487 You know, father Gabriel, he's definitely more of the og. 545 00:24:56,587 --> 00:25:01,327 Him and the Pope kind of have a discussion where they're saying, you know, these 546 00:25:01,327 --> 00:25:05,677 new priests, they think they're fairy tales, but we know that they're real. 547 00:25:06,157 --> 00:25:10,267 Oti: So going into this movie, people shouldn't expect to watch 548 00:25:10,357 --> 00:25:13,687 an Exorcist dream Carnet because it's nothing close to that. 549 00:25:13,717 --> 00:25:16,387 KT: Well, I haven't even watched The Ex is is it like a serious film? 550 00:25:16,387 --> 00:25:17,227 Is it a ridiculous 551 00:25:17,317 --> 00:25:19,177 Oti: It's, it's horrific. 552 00:25:19,237 --> 00:25:22,027 So people shouldn't be expect to be terrified by this movie. 553 00:25:22,327 --> 00:25:24,487 KT: There are moments that are really scary. 554 00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:29,707 Um, but yeah, I just, I didn't expect, like Marlon Waynes getting 555 00:25:29,712 --> 00:25:31,837 a producer credit for this film. 556 00:25:34,537 --> 00:25:35,097 Oti: Cause 557 00:25:35,197 --> 00:25:38,317 KT: of these moments were like, what the fuck is going on? 558 00:25:38,597 --> 00:25:39,227 Oti: Interesting. 559 00:25:39,257 --> 00:25:39,767 Yeah. 560 00:25:39,777 --> 00:25:44,067 KT: so it was interesting because he also, um, he has to be held accountable 561 00:25:44,067 --> 00:25:47,997 cuz during one of the exorcisms, he actually uses the word Satan, 562 00:25:47,997 --> 00:25:49,917 which apparently is a big no-no. 563 00:25:50,157 --> 00:25:52,227 And you're not supposed to acknowledge the devil. 564 00:25:52,287 --> 00:25:55,287 How wild is that of all Christianity? 565 00:25:55,437 --> 00:25:59,847 You think you'll be able to talk about Satan in the Catholic church, but even 566 00:25:59,847 --> 00:26:02,277 during this setting it was too outdated. 567 00:26:02,442 --> 00:26:02,892 Oti: Wow. 568 00:26:02,952 --> 00:26:03,612 From Catholic. 569 00:26:03,612 --> 00:26:07,722 You used to sing a lot of songs that denounce Satan by name. 570 00:26:07,752 --> 00:26:08,892 Must be an Italian thing. 571 00:26:09,302 --> 00:26:09,942 Must be 572 00:26:10,657 --> 00:26:12,607 KT: must be a Brad Pit Italian thing. 573 00:26:13,087 --> 00:26:18,337 Um, I wanna, I wanna ask you something, um, just to give us your 574 00:26:18,337 --> 00:26:20,737 Rolodex of Catholic Boy knowledge. 575 00:26:21,157 --> 00:26:22,777 Um, they talk about St. 576 00:26:22,782 --> 00:26:27,907 Michael and, um, I'm not sure in what I, I'm assuming it's in the Vatican. 577 00:26:27,907 --> 00:26:31,717 It's some obviously amazing, important, beautiful looking building. 578 00:26:31,927 --> 00:26:33,637 And you have Father Gabriel. 579 00:26:34,037 --> 00:26:38,237 Staring at this painting and he, he shares the sentiment. 580 00:26:38,417 --> 00:26:39,497 Why do you think St. 581 00:26:39,497 --> 00:26:41,957 Michael didn't kill Satan when he had a chance? 582 00:26:42,127 --> 00:26:43,117 Oti: Because it was God's plan. 583 00:26:43,127 --> 00:26:43,617 KT: Okay. 584 00:26:45,247 --> 00:26:46,957 Oti: isn't that the answer to everything? 585 00:26:47,722 --> 00:26:53,332 KT: Um, also, obviously they were going to have some comments about science. 586 00:26:53,392 --> 00:26:55,282 You've gone and seen all these doctors. 587 00:26:55,287 --> 00:26:57,382 Have they given you any answers? 588 00:26:57,622 --> 00:26:59,512 So that was a bit of an eye roll. 589 00:26:59,632 --> 00:27:01,132 I could suspend myself. 590 00:27:01,282 --> 00:27:04,462 Actually, let's say this, I could suspend myself more in 591 00:27:04,462 --> 00:27:05,992 this film than I couldn't air. 592 00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:06,772 Oti: Oh, who new? 593 00:27:06,862 --> 00:27:10,252 We just needed to add an Italian Michael Jordan in there and you'll be fine. 594 00:27:11,312 --> 00:27:12,432 KT: Isn't that just Larry? 595 00:27:16,082 --> 00:27:20,462 Um, so even though that sort of dialogue made me roll my eyes, 596 00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:23,072 it definitely fit for the time. 597 00:27:23,402 --> 00:27:27,752 Um, and I guess talking about the differences, um, as well there, 598 00:27:27,752 --> 00:27:32,642 there was also some weird dialogue about like the placing the blame 599 00:27:32,642 --> 00:27:34,562 of the Spanish Inquisition. 600 00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:37,952 Um, and, and absolving sort of blame on that. 601 00:27:37,952 --> 00:27:38,942 So that was very. 602 00:27:39,382 --> 00:27:39,832 Thing. 603 00:27:40,192 --> 00:27:44,392 Um, more so on the gross side, like really is this where you 604 00:27:44,392 --> 00:27:48,202 want to try and rewrite history, like through a, a ridiculous film. 605 00:27:48,202 --> 00:27:54,112 But anyway, um, for all of the films, um, and TV shows that we're covering today 606 00:27:54,352 --> 00:27:56,242 made us in the dms, friends and lovers. 607 00:27:56,242 --> 00:28:00,382 But specifically, specifically, if you have seen the Pope's 608 00:28:00,382 --> 00:28:03,222 Exorcist, please meet us in the dms. 609 00:28:03,352 --> 00:28:05,032 I have all the time. 610 00:28:05,077 --> 00:28:07,627 Oti: Nice sounds some intriguing. 611 00:28:08,007 --> 00:28:09,457 I I'll definitely give it a whirl. 612 00:28:09,457 --> 00:28:10,087 KT: Please do. 613 00:28:10,087 --> 00:28:14,587 Cuz I would definitely like to watch you specifically OT in front or 614 00:28:14,587 --> 00:28:16,447 behind of a pee wall if you're nasty. 615 00:28:16,452 --> 00:28:16,997 Mm-hmm. 616 00:28:17,287 --> 00:28:18,697 All right, well let's move on. 617 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:23,977 The next film that we have, uh, is thanks to Sue and the team at TM 618 00:28:23,977 --> 00:28:26,677 Publicity as well as transmission films. 619 00:28:26,857 --> 00:28:28,567 We watched Hallelujah. 620 00:28:29,167 --> 00:28:29,517 Oti: Oh. 621 00:28:29,827 --> 00:28:33,007 KT: so this film was based on a play by Alan Bennett. 622 00:28:33,007 --> 00:28:37,867 In regards to directing, we have Richard Iyer and written by Heidi Thomas. 623 00:28:38,077 --> 00:28:43,717 In way of cast we have Jennifer Saunders, b Gill, Russell Tovey, David Bradley, 624 00:28:43,717 --> 00:28:46,747 Derek Jacoby, as well as Judy Den. 625 00:28:48,017 --> 00:28:51,497 Dame Judy Dench, if you're respectful, friends and lovers. 626 00:28:51,917 --> 00:28:55,007 Um, we watched this film a couple of weeks ago. 627 00:28:55,067 --> 00:28:59,327 Um, it's now available, um, in Australian cinemas. 628 00:28:59,627 --> 00:29:00,857 How did you feel, ot? 629 00:29:00,892 --> 00:29:02,872 Oti: It was a quaint little movie, right? 630 00:29:02,962 --> 00:29:03,292 Yeah. 631 00:29:03,352 --> 00:29:07,092 Um, it was exciting to watch everything transpire. 632 00:29:07,222 --> 00:29:10,972 It had a really emotional ending, and I think a lot of the themes that were raised 633 00:29:10,972 --> 00:29:15,532 in the movie are things that we like to speak about in this podcast as well. 634 00:29:16,052 --> 00:29:16,332 KT: Mm-hmm. 635 00:29:16,532 --> 00:29:20,677 Oti: And it brought a, it brought about conversations that you didn't necessarily 636 00:29:20,677 --> 00:29:24,907 think it'll head towards that direction, but it's definitely one of the talking 637 00:29:24,912 --> 00:29:27,907 points that came out of the movie and yourself, and you'd think to yourself 638 00:29:27,912 --> 00:29:32,767 afterwards how it all snuck up on you at the end, at least toward the final act 639 00:29:33,007 --> 00:29:35,497 where you'd see everything transpire. 640 00:29:35,707 --> 00:29:37,287 Um, a lot of it, I. 641 00:29:37,437 --> 00:29:40,467 The twist of the end was something that I didn't see coming. 642 00:29:40,547 --> 00:29:41,037 Okay. 643 00:29:41,067 --> 00:29:44,307 Um, because I'll fully expect you to hedge towards a different 644 00:29:44,307 --> 00:29:48,567 direction, but a very nice, quaint movie that will not disappoint you. 645 00:29:48,657 --> 00:29:52,707 I think it has a lot of funny heartfelt moments in there as well. 646 00:29:52,797 --> 00:29:52,887 Yeah. 647 00:29:53,277 --> 00:29:57,057 Um, engaging dialogue, interesting characters. 648 00:29:57,057 --> 00:29:58,797 Something unexpected on my 649 00:29:58,927 --> 00:30:00,277 KT: Yeah, absolutely. 650 00:30:00,337 --> 00:30:07,447 Um, this film really hits to the center of a lot of the heartbreak 651 00:30:07,447 --> 00:30:09,127 and heartwarming experiences. 652 00:30:09,867 --> 00:30:13,647 That we go through with aging parents or, you know, loved 653 00:30:13,647 --> 00:30:15,927 ones that have extra needs. 654 00:30:16,042 --> 00:30:16,482 Oti: Mm-hmm. 655 00:30:17,037 --> 00:30:19,647 KT: Um, there was a focus on the nhs. 656 00:30:19,647 --> 00:30:24,297 You know, I, I guess just talking about the film generally, when we have 657 00:30:24,297 --> 00:30:31,442 a film that you know is centered on caregivers, Um, formal caregivers, um, 658 00:30:31,442 --> 00:30:36,572 in a geriatric sort of ward in a hospital in a small town away from London. 659 00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:41,792 Um, you know, you have also political pressure, um, in regards 660 00:30:41,792 --> 00:30:44,162 to how is this going to operate? 661 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:48,812 And a lot of, a lot of the sentiment that was shared in this film was 662 00:30:48,842 --> 00:30:54,422 real, but it was very frustrating because we have like a character that. 663 00:30:54,917 --> 00:31:01,037 You know, that is embedded in, you know, political sort of discourse, um, sort 664 00:31:01,037 --> 00:31:03,497 of lobbying and that sort of thing. 665 00:31:03,497 --> 00:31:08,927 And there was a lot of commentary about, you know, what's the bottom line? 666 00:31:08,932 --> 00:31:10,607 How is this going to make us money? 667 00:31:10,787 --> 00:31:12,257 How is this profitable? 668 00:31:12,557 --> 00:31:16,307 And it's like, at the end of the day, countries all around the 669 00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:18,597 world, specifically Western c. 670 00:31:19,012 --> 00:31:21,742 Have a top heavy aging population. 671 00:31:21,772 --> 00:31:22,192 Right? 672 00:31:22,252 --> 00:31:27,832 And maybe this is the warm hippie Katie in me at some fucking point. 673 00:31:27,892 --> 00:31:32,722 We're not talking about the bottom line because honestly, you are not going to 674 00:31:32,722 --> 00:31:37,252 find any bottom line when it comes to caring for elderly people at some point. 675 00:31:37,257 --> 00:31:39,682 It's just the right fucking thing to do. 676 00:31:39,892 --> 00:31:42,922 Oti: It is, and I think the way the movie tackled it, it shows the aspects 677 00:31:42,922 --> 00:31:48,172 of, oh, we appreciate the nhs, uh, you know, in any sort of country where 678 00:31:48,172 --> 00:31:52,012 you have health workers, especially after the sort of events that have 679 00:31:52,462 --> 00:31:53,392 transpired throughout the world. 680 00:31:53,597 --> 00:31:58,757 It just shows you how underappreciated and how hard it is, especially for 681 00:31:58,757 --> 00:32:04,607 senior citizens who feel that a, um, from a political perspective, 682 00:32:04,607 --> 00:32:05,987 they're not gonna get the funding. 683 00:32:06,107 --> 00:32:10,427 Um, and what that means for the workers in there and what, how, what they have 684 00:32:10,427 --> 00:32:15,557 to do and juggle because it's quite hard, um, from an administrative point of view, 685 00:32:15,557 --> 00:32:19,277 but also emotionally because there's this, uh, persistent feeling like, cause at 686 00:32:19,277 --> 00:32:20,807 the end of the day, you're bloody human. 687 00:32:20,987 --> 00:32:21,047 Yeah. 688 00:32:21,077 --> 00:32:22,097 And watching people. 689 00:32:22,892 --> 00:32:23,672 In and out. 690 00:32:23,672 --> 00:32:28,022 Lack that is not a really good place to be from a mental perspective. 691 00:32:28,112 --> 00:32:30,662 Um, I think they covered it quite nicely. 692 00:32:30,722 --> 00:32:36,572 I appreciated the fact that it didn't, it didn't try to explain the reasons it 693 00:32:36,572 --> 00:32:38,372 left you to the audience at the end of it. 694 00:32:38,492 --> 00:32:38,912 KT: Yes. 695 00:32:39,182 --> 00:32:43,142 Oti: because it's easy to put your political feelings in 696 00:32:43,202 --> 00:32:44,942 and try and swear an audience. 697 00:32:45,002 --> 00:32:45,122 I 698 00:32:45,202 --> 00:32:47,242 KT: I would say that those words don't go together. 699 00:32:47,242 --> 00:32:48,352 Political feelings, 700 00:32:49,402 --> 00:32:53,492 Oti: Political affiliations in Nice to try and sway the audience. 701 00:32:53,812 --> 00:32:55,462 And they didn't do that. 702 00:32:55,522 --> 00:33:00,592 And that's kudos because we all need to face this fact at the end of the day. 703 00:33:00,832 --> 00:33:03,052 At the end of the day, most of us will have, will be 704 00:33:03,052 --> 00:33:04,822 faced in a similar situation. 705 00:33:04,972 --> 00:33:05,062 Yeah. 706 00:33:05,092 --> 00:33:06,052 Even if it's not us. 707 00:33:06,827 --> 00:33:10,847 And it's, it's, it's a, it's, it's a concern that needs to be addressed 708 00:33:10,937 --> 00:33:15,527 and I loved how they did it and executed it and the performances. 709 00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:16,907 I love Judy Den. 710 00:33:17,212 --> 00:33:18,392 KT: She, she obv. 711 00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:22,432 Obviously, you can't have someone like Dame Judy Dench and not have 712 00:33:22,432 --> 00:33:25,672 a pivotal role, but she had a very pivotal role in this film. 713 00:33:25,907 --> 00:33:26,527 Oti: She did. 714 00:33:26,567 --> 00:33:27,047 She did. 715 00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:30,617 I, I, I, I was scared that it was sort of, I thought it would be 716 00:33:30,617 --> 00:33:32,447 more of a cameo than anything else. 717 00:33:32,597 --> 00:33:35,597 And I'm glad it wasn't because she added so much depth and 718 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,697 the performances was so good. 719 00:33:37,787 --> 00:33:39,737 Um, but everyone else, you know, yeah. 720 00:33:39,742 --> 00:33:43,967 We had, even the doctor, even ballet gill's character, Dr. 721 00:33:43,972 --> 00:33:44,807 Valentine. 722 00:33:44,807 --> 00:33:45,137 Yeah. 723 00:33:45,197 --> 00:33:45,977 He. 724 00:33:46,467 --> 00:33:48,657 Embodied the role so well, 725 00:33:48,792 --> 00:33:49,282 KT: Yeah. 726 00:33:49,737 --> 00:33:53,877 Oti: And even after the aftermath and how he landed, it still 727 00:33:53,877 --> 00:33:56,247 felt he had a lot to give. 728 00:33:56,307 --> 00:34:01,107 And it might be a path less traveled, but it's one that's needed and Wow. 729 00:34:01,192 --> 00:34:02,542 KT: I absolutely agree with you. 730 00:34:02,542 --> 00:34:05,932 And you know, you even said that eventually at some point, whether 731 00:34:05,932 --> 00:34:09,892 it's ourselves or our loved ones, we're going to have to face this. 732 00:34:09,922 --> 00:34:11,992 And that's what I absolutely loved about this film. 733 00:34:11,992 --> 00:34:16,522 You, I agree with you in the sense that it doesn't, um, take you down 734 00:34:16,527 --> 00:34:18,472 a path that you need to agree with. 735 00:34:18,472 --> 00:34:21,262 Like you said, political sort of affiliations and that sort of thing. 736 00:34:21,292 --> 00:34:24,232 But it definitely, you know, a lot of injustice. 737 00:34:24,922 --> 00:34:30,082 Or a lot of, um, losing access or, or rights or, you know, um, 738 00:34:30,142 --> 00:34:31,762 sort of placing in the community. 739 00:34:31,972 --> 00:34:33,712 A lot of that can be neglected. 740 00:34:33,712 --> 00:34:38,962 A lot of that can happen because we aren't facing that because it's 741 00:34:38,962 --> 00:34:43,162 too difficult, because it's too sad because we don't wanna face it. 742 00:34:43,252 --> 00:34:46,402 We don't look at the ugliness and. 743 00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:50,587 The lack of, and the restricting of budgets and care. 744 00:34:50,977 --> 00:34:54,217 Um, and this film absolutely shows that, like, there are, there are 745 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:57,607 definitely some heartwarming moments in this film, but there are some really 746 00:34:57,607 --> 00:34:59,377 heartbreaking moments in this film. 747 00:34:59,377 --> 00:35:02,857 And you see the strain that it has on the staff as well. 748 00:35:02,887 --> 00:35:08,587 You see how entitled, uh, you know, and e even we've talked a little bit about this. 749 00:35:08,887 --> 00:35:10,847 Um, you know, I think in a previous. 750 00:35:11,162 --> 00:35:11,912 Max. 751 00:35:12,302 --> 00:35:16,832 Um, but we've talked about instances where we understand wholeheartedly, 752 00:35:16,832 --> 00:35:20,642 what's it, what it's like to have a loved one in, you know, a facility 753 00:35:20,672 --> 00:35:22,682 to better look after their needs. 754 00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:26,762 Um, so when I say the entitlement. 755 00:35:26,772 --> 00:35:31,662 Of, of family members and loved ones, just know that I'm saying it out of a 756 00:35:31,662 --> 00:35:35,832 place of experience and a place out of love because what, what, what they're 757 00:35:36,252 --> 00:35:40,152 actually doing is taking out their emotion that they need to be processing 758 00:35:40,152 --> 00:35:41,772 and not taking it out on the workers. 759 00:35:41,842 --> 00:35:43,192 Oti: Yeah, a hundred percent. 760 00:35:43,282 --> 00:35:46,042 Everything that they have to deal with, um, you just have 761 00:35:46,047 --> 00:35:47,542 to appreciate them even more. 762 00:35:47,602 --> 00:35:50,512 Um, if you haven't already or are not really. 763 00:35:50,572 --> 00:35:54,262 Um, but yeah, we had characters like David Bradley also. 764 00:35:54,262 --> 00:35:56,152 I think he was exemplary in this. 765 00:35:56,152 --> 00:35:57,052 KT: Yeah. 766 00:35:57,232 --> 00:35:58,912 But Phil always delivers. 767 00:35:59,152 --> 00:35:59,662 He does. 768 00:35:59,667 --> 00:36:00,442 He's always gonna 769 00:36:00,512 --> 00:36:00,752 Oti: do it. 770 00:36:00,752 --> 00:36:01,312 He does. 771 00:36:01,322 --> 00:36:01,912 He does. 772 00:36:02,047 --> 00:36:06,517 KT: Um, it's kind of like the, the best way I can describe it is like, no one 773 00:36:06,517 --> 00:36:10,747 wants to talk about reproductive rights, but when you have young people or people 774 00:36:10,747 --> 00:36:14,917 that aren't prepared or shouldn't need to carry to term, you know, people 775 00:36:14,917 --> 00:36:16,327 are just like, oh, well, too bad. 776 00:36:16,327 --> 00:36:16,857 And it's like, no. 777 00:36:17,187 --> 00:36:21,477 Like if you don't like you, you can't just dismiss reproductive rights and 778 00:36:21,477 --> 00:36:23,007 not have a conversation about it. 779 00:36:23,337 --> 00:36:27,297 And you know, without spoiling it, there are particular themes that people don't 780 00:36:27,297 --> 00:36:31,767 wanna face that get explored in this film because this is the unflinching 781 00:36:31,767 --> 00:36:33,687 center where it needs to be discussed. 782 00:36:34,072 --> 00:36:34,372 Oti: Yeah. 783 00:36:34,432 --> 00:36:34,792 Yeah. 784 00:36:34,802 --> 00:36:38,122 And, and I'm glad because when you said that was based off a 785 00:36:38,122 --> 00:36:40,312 play, it felt like it as well 786 00:36:40,412 --> 00:36:41,547 KT: because the dialogue is solid. 787 00:36:41,577 --> 00:36:41,847 Yeah. 788 00:36:41,967 --> 00:36:42,207 Yeah. 789 00:36:42,257 --> 00:36:42,712 Oti: it did. 790 00:36:42,772 --> 00:36:43,162 It did. 791 00:36:43,162 --> 00:36:47,212 And I think that's the biggest kudos you can also give to the director. 792 00:36:47,332 --> 00:36:47,392 Yeah. 793 00:36:47,392 --> 00:36:53,182 He was able to sort of put that embodiment and vision and it showed, and wow. 794 00:36:53,242 --> 00:36:55,792 I think very, very solid movie. 795 00:36:55,852 --> 00:36:58,642 If you are in Australia, you can watch it go. 796 00:36:58,702 --> 00:37:00,082 Um, you won't be disappointed. 797 00:37:00,127 --> 00:37:03,637 KT: Yeah, there's, there's also, um, you know, one of the main characters. 798 00:37:03,697 --> 00:37:06,937 There's definitely a battle between the head and the heart, you know? 799 00:37:07,147 --> 00:37:12,217 Um, and that's really what this film is distilled into, the head versus 800 00:37:12,222 --> 00:37:14,647 the heart, and doing the right thing for the people that you love. 801 00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:19,622 Ooh, well, speaking about doing the right thing for the people that you love, being 802 00:37:19,622 --> 00:37:23,012 very, very dysfunctional family dynamics. 803 00:37:23,312 --> 00:37:28,022 We are finishing off with the series Dreamland, which, uh, is currently 804 00:37:28,022 --> 00:37:29,762 available, um, in Australia. 805 00:37:29,767 --> 00:37:32,312 Friends and lovers, check your local providers. 806 00:37:32,522 --> 00:37:33,662 This is a comedy series. 807 00:37:34,022 --> 00:37:38,132 Starring Freema Aman, as well as Lilly Allen. 808 00:37:38,492 --> 00:37:43,592 Um, it's interesting, essentially this, uh, the center of this film are four 809 00:37:43,592 --> 00:37:48,902 sisters and their mother, and figuring out the sort of family dynamics, we're not 810 00:37:48,902 --> 00:37:53,102 going to spoiler, but there's definitely some things that we can talk about 811 00:37:53,342 --> 00:37:57,872 tickling, you know, tickling the spoiled place without necessarily fruition. 812 00:37:57,962 --> 00:37:58,142 Hmm. 813 00:37:58,357 --> 00:37:58,687 Oti: Yeah. 814 00:37:58,907 --> 00:38:00,937 Ah, I had fun with this series. 815 00:38:01,217 --> 00:38:01,337 Hmm. 816 00:38:01,342 --> 00:38:04,687 The characters grew on me, uh, a freeman. 817 00:38:04,827 --> 00:38:06,187 Oh, you gotta lover her. 818 00:38:06,277 --> 00:38:07,417 Solid performance. 819 00:38:07,837 --> 00:38:09,067 Uh, Lilly Allen, who. 820 00:38:09,097 --> 00:38:09,607 KT: knew? 821 00:38:09,697 --> 00:38:10,507 Uh, well 822 00:38:10,542 --> 00:38:12,992 Oti: she's doubled and yeah, 823 00:38:13,067 --> 00:38:15,217 KT: she didn't wanna dabble in Game of Thrones brother Loving 824 00:38:17,082 --> 00:38:19,962 Oti: the themes of this show are quite interesting because they do 825 00:38:19,962 --> 00:38:26,112 cover a lot and they transverses a world of, you know, not only race but 826 00:38:26,117 --> 00:38:30,732 having, you know, different, the sort of interactions between Trish and 827 00:38:30,732 --> 00:38:33,102 the sisters and how that looks like. 828 00:38:33,162 --> 00:38:37,302 You know, it's very intriguing and I think quite funny a moment. 829 00:38:37,897 --> 00:38:39,487 But a heartbreaking finale. 830 00:38:39,667 --> 00:38:40,087 Wow. 831 00:38:40,087 --> 00:38:40,447 Wow, 832 00:38:40,762 --> 00:38:46,792 KT: This show explores interesting family dynamics that is only 833 00:38:46,792 --> 00:38:48,922 complicated by their own devices. 834 00:38:49,362 --> 00:38:52,912 I think it's the best way, um, to describe it. 835 00:38:53,092 --> 00:38:57,622 Like you said, there's a lot of, um, I wouldn't call it banal, but there's 836 00:38:57,622 --> 00:39:00,292 a lot of like normal family shit. 837 00:39:00,352 --> 00:39:06,862 Um, that is a way to explore the fragmenting and the lack of addressing 838 00:39:07,072 --> 00:39:09,292 within the sister sort of unit, right. 839 00:39:10,252 --> 00:39:14,452 And when I talk about the sister unit, I'm talking about Trish and Mel specifically. 840 00:39:14,662 --> 00:39:14,812 Yeah. 841 00:39:14,962 --> 00:39:18,232 Like even from the jump you could see that they didn't get along at all 842 00:39:18,667 --> 00:39:22,567 Oti: They didn't and, and it was sort of interesting to see why that was, because 843 00:39:22,567 --> 00:39:28,117 you could tell from the conversations that there was a closeness that was had before. 844 00:39:28,122 --> 00:39:28,177 Yeah. 845 00:39:28,237 --> 00:39:33,577 And relearning how that sort of broke up throughout the episodes mm-hmm. 846 00:39:33,967 --> 00:39:35,737 Made it even more shocking. 847 00:39:35,797 --> 00:39:36,067 KT: Yeah. 848 00:39:36,917 --> 00:39:40,007 Oti: Made it even more shocking to what transpired. 849 00:39:40,342 --> 00:39:43,702 KT: And you absolutely said it when you gave your first impressions. 850 00:39:43,972 --> 00:39:47,692 We're not spoiling it, but we abso, abso, absolutely. 851 00:39:47,752 --> 00:39:53,182 If anyone is listening, has power to make it so please give us a season. 852 00:39:53,187 --> 00:39:55,012 Two, we need closure. 853 00:39:55,447 --> 00:39:57,277 Oti: We need more than two seasons. 854 00:39:57,282 --> 00:40:00,067 I wanna delve in the lives of these sisters. 855 00:40:00,757 --> 00:40:02,827 I think there's a lot to be hard there. 856 00:40:02,827 --> 00:40:06,007 You've got four completely different characters in them. 857 00:40:06,187 --> 00:40:06,277 Yeah. 858 00:40:06,397 --> 00:40:10,177 Um, I think we could probably get more from. 859 00:40:10,182 --> 00:40:10,537 KT: that. 860 00:40:10,597 --> 00:40:10,897 Oh yeah, 861 00:40:11,167 --> 00:40:14,527 Oti: Because in the first season we, we focus more on nutrition, Mel, but 862 00:40:14,557 --> 00:40:19,357 there's so much more nuance to be had uhhuh and I think we can delve deeper 863 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,367 way, way deeper on the other two sisters. 864 00:40:21,372 --> 00:40:21,427 Yeah. 865 00:40:21,757 --> 00:40:24,637 And I think even the mom to some degree, because there's a lot to be 866 00:40:24,637 --> 00:40:26,617 said in that relationship as well there, 867 00:40:26,827 --> 00:40:28,537 KT: There's a lot of sacrifice 868 00:40:28,597 --> 00:40:28,687 Oti: Hmm. 869 00:40:29,107 --> 00:40:33,247 KT: and it's interesting because that sacrifice is complicated by 870 00:40:33,247 --> 00:40:37,807 a, a later plot line in season one that I didn't necessarily see 871 00:40:37,807 --> 00:40:40,297 coming, but it kind of made sense. 872 00:40:40,297 --> 00:40:40,777 Oti: I do. 873 00:40:40,777 --> 00:40:41,947 Yeah, I see that 874 00:40:42,092 --> 00:40:45,932 KT: that at its core, it's, it's definitely, you know, you know, 875 00:40:45,932 --> 00:40:51,152 a lot, you know, we in general, we love watching a lot of things. 876 00:40:51,512 --> 00:40:54,992 Um, and we've also been given the opportunity to access 877 00:40:54,992 --> 00:40:57,032 screenings and screeners as well. 878 00:40:57,542 --> 00:41:03,242 But lately there's a feeling where, you know, the, the high sort of pash 879 00:41:03,572 --> 00:41:06,722 and the, the sort of, um, extravaga. 880 00:41:07,247 --> 00:41:10,877 And the fireworks is more important than the characters. 881 00:41:10,877 --> 00:41:13,517 Like sometimes you watch things and you see that they don't 882 00:41:13,517 --> 00:41:14,957 care about the characters. 883 00:41:15,257 --> 00:41:19,337 And what I really loved about Dreamland is it's, it's characters first. 884 00:41:19,337 --> 00:41:22,667 You know, there are definitely going to be some heartbreaking sort of plot 885 00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:27,827 lines, um, decisions from character sort of motivations, but it's always to 886 00:41:27,827 --> 00:41:29,807 work at the center of the family unit. 887 00:41:30,067 --> 00:41:31,237 Oti: A hundred percent agreed. 888 00:41:31,327 --> 00:41:34,297 Uh, thank the rollercoaster of emotions it takes you through, even 889 00:41:34,297 --> 00:41:38,137 when you are at the low, you can still see that the care has been taken. 890 00:41:38,197 --> 00:41:38,557 Yeah, absolutely. 891 00:41:38,557 --> 00:41:39,457 Towards the characters. 892 00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:42,667 Because we've watched plenty of shows recently where it feels that 893 00:41:42,672 --> 00:41:44,377 characters come second to plot lines. 894 00:41:44,377 --> 00:41:44,437 Yeah. 895 00:41:44,497 --> 00:41:45,307 And story. 896 00:41:45,877 --> 00:41:48,817 And that affects your overall enjoyment of the show. 897 00:41:48,877 --> 00:41:51,727 And this completely takes care of that in. 898 00:41:52,552 --> 00:41:56,902 I didn't even think was possible because as I said, season, the first episode 899 00:41:56,902 --> 00:41:58,942 started a bit slowly for me to my laing. 900 00:41:59,002 --> 00:41:59,092 Mm-hmm. 901 00:41:59,332 --> 00:42:01,522 But it gradually improved. 902 00:42:01,642 --> 00:42:04,432 And the pacing, we love a good world building. 903 00:42:04,672 --> 00:42:04,792 Oh yes. 904 00:42:05,002 --> 00:42:10,162 But in this, we get such an a cohesive picture painted Yeah. 905 00:42:10,192 --> 00:42:11,932 For what's to come. 906 00:42:11,962 --> 00:42:14,902 And that's why I'm excited for second season because I feel like 907 00:42:14,902 --> 00:42:16,762 this story can go so much deeper. 908 00:42:17,012 --> 00:42:17,432 KT: Yes. 909 00:42:18,182 --> 00:42:21,302 Oti: They can delve way more deep and cover more themes that 910 00:42:21,302 --> 00:42:25,742 they can with especially such a dynamic family, um, cast. 911 00:42:25,802 --> 00:42:26,012 Yeah. 912 00:42:26,132 --> 00:42:26,762 And wow. 913 00:42:26,852 --> 00:42:30,152 And I've definitely a highlight for April. 914 00:42:30,262 --> 00:42:32,032 KT: Oh, we gobbled this season up. 915 00:42:32,152 --> 00:42:32,512 We did. 916 00:42:32,602 --> 00:42:33,532 It was a very easy 917 00:42:33,947 --> 00:42:34,907 Oti: Back to bark. 918 00:42:34,907 --> 00:42:35,537 To bark. 919 00:42:35,597 --> 00:42:36,977 It's very bingeable. 920 00:42:37,067 --> 00:42:38,537 I think you can even watch it on binge. 921 00:42:38,917 --> 00:42:39,077 Yeah. 922 00:42:39,077 --> 00:42:39,357 Thank, 923 00:42:40,417 --> 00:42:43,447 KT: thank you to our friends and lovers at binge, um, for giving us 924 00:42:43,447 --> 00:42:46,297 access to the screeners six episodes. 925 00:42:46,302 --> 00:42:47,467 It's not going to hurt you. 926 00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:49,027 If anything, it's going to heal you. 927 00:42:49,217 --> 00:42:52,517 Oti: Six nicely, neatly packed episodes. 928 00:42:52,787 --> 00:42:55,577 You know it's not an hour long or anything like that. 929 00:42:55,637 --> 00:42:57,797 You can finish it over a week, a Saturday. 930 00:42:57,917 --> 00:42:58,217 Yeah. 931 00:42:58,277 --> 00:43:00,117 You know, um, but you will be. 932 00:43:00,207 --> 00:43:00,807 KT: a holy day. 933 00:43:00,937 --> 00:43:01,327 Oti: Yeah. 934 00:43:01,357 --> 00:43:04,417 You'll be left pleased at the end of it, I think because it adds such a, 935 00:43:04,867 --> 00:43:11,197 a much needed n not only levity, but feelings of just, it's, it's like a 936 00:43:11,197 --> 00:43:13,867 whiplash of emotions in a good way. 937 00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:14,547 Yeah. 938 00:43:15,322 --> 00:43:17,992 KT: And it's one of those things of like, just go watch it and 939 00:43:17,992 --> 00:43:19,312 then we can talk some more. 940 00:43:19,317 --> 00:43:20,152 You know what I mean? 941 00:43:20,272 --> 00:43:20,512 Mm-hmm. 942 00:43:20,572 --> 00:43:21,322 You know what I'm saying? 943 00:43:21,397 --> 00:43:22,567 Oti: You don't have to say what I'm saying. 944 00:43:22,567 --> 00:43:23,787 Y'all know what you mean already. 945 00:43:23,872 --> 00:43:24,172 KT: Okay. 946 00:43:24,172 --> 00:43:25,462 A pimp called slip back. 947 00:43:27,672 --> 00:43:28,092 Ooh. 948 00:43:30,022 --> 00:43:32,842 Thank you friends and lovers for joining us another week in 949 00:43:32,842 --> 00:43:34,342 the foyer reference household. 950 00:43:34,552 --> 00:43:38,452 Whoever you splush out out your olds welcome at our denomin. 951 00:43:38,642 --> 00:43:38,992 Oti: Oh. 952 00:43:39,592 --> 00:43:44,182 KT: Uh, on Twitter and Instagram if you'd like Tolu Atta, we're at for your f pod 953 00:43:44,272 --> 00:43:46,912 Oti: write us an email@hellofpodcast.com. 954 00:43:47,152 --> 00:43:51,352 KT: We're also on, we're going to have totally, completely fine Mafia Mama. 955 00:43:51,352 --> 00:43:55,942 A Black Lady Guest Show, black Lady Guest Show, uh, Mrs. 956 00:43:55,942 --> 00:44:00,412 Davis Love and Death, as well as Infinity Pool on the Roster podcast if you'd 957 00:44:00,412 --> 00:44:01,702 like to leave a rating and review. 958 00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:04,702 And we'll see you guys in our next episode. 959 00:44:04,702 --> 00:44:05,542 See y'all. 960 00:44:05,782 --> 00:44:06,202 Bye.