The Pop Out with Home Video Hustle Brent

Full transcript of The Pop Out with Home Video Hustle Brent.

0:04KT: Welcome to another week of KT and Friends where we review films referenced in the Kendrick Lamar and Drake beef. This week we Pop Out with Brent from Hustle, motherfucking Hustle, Home Video Hustle to talk rap beef, as well as review the 1980 film, The Boogey Man.

0:27Brent: Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

0:29KT: Yeah, you should be. I was telling Oti, I was like, I don't know if I need an apology, but an apology would be nice.

0:36Brent: Right off the bat, my bad. You made the mistake of giving me options.

0:42KT: I mean, how many ops? There's too many options.

0:45Brent: Exactly. And when I saw there was one, cause at first it was that one that came out last year and the one that came out nine, or not nine, 2005. 2005. But then I did that scroll and I was like, Oh, there's one from 1980. She got to get the hustle experience while I'm here. We got to watch some trash. And

1:02KT: everyone else is going to experience the Reference Hustle. Splooshies, friends and lovers, stay lubricated and satiated. Get a snack, get a beverage. We are diving into the A side, which is The Pop Out and keep an eye out for the B side, which will be the certified Boogey Man. The 1980 film review, Brent, thank you so much. Just in general, I think, you know, it's not, it's not an understatement to say you kept me going through this musty, dusty, rusty, white ass film, Twitter specs.

1:43Brent: It ain't, it ain't too many. People will come out there, you know, they like to pod fade a lot, which is, you know, understandable. I guess, you know, life happens and you got to roll out. It's all good, but we ain't going nowhere. We hit it.

1:53KT: And I try to support

1:55Brent: the homies anytime I can.

1:57KT: Yeah. And I appreciate you coming on. We've got a lot to talk about. Um, and first of all, go and check out Home Video Hustle podcast. No, absolutely. Um, I don't think I could ever so eloquently and with so much funk deliver, uh, reviews on Studio Ghibli. So definitely go and check out. Ah, and also everything else, blaxploitation, like literally everything and even the worst of things.

2:24KT: And I want you to be able to talk about your podcast, but I also wanna lay some love and Splooshies. Um, also shout out to PJ as well as Chris and Nita. Yes sir. Yes sir. Because. There is an art to critiquing and reviewing film, and it's even more of an art to be able to talk about bad films, but like truly meaningfully discuss it, not just trash and shit talk, but you can do that as well.

2:52KT: But, um, if you can illuminate our friends and lovers, please give us a rundown of, uh, Home Video Hustle and your journey and wherever you want to go, my friend.

3:01Brent: Oh, don't don't let me start talking about myself now. It'll be here all day. I don't care. But, um, now, you know, the fun thing about the Home Video Hustle podcast is that when we first started out, we kind of went along IMDb page

3:13KT: certified. Excuse me.

3:15Brent: We got IMDb pages now.

3:17KT: Credentials. He said,

3:19Brent: I am listed as an actor, a director. Auteur, all the auteurs is what your boy is, right? Produce, produce, produce, auteur. I like that even better. Keep the bars going. But yeah, no, we, we started out, we tried to do a lot of bad movies. We kind of went along the, uh, the stereotype route.

3:38Brent: Mm-Hmm. And we even, even, we tried to even front a little bit, I've even apologized for this in later episodes throughout the years where we were purposely, like, I enjoy the hell out of, I'm 'Bout It, the Master P movie. Okay. But I ended up giving it like a five out of 10. 'cause I was like, well, you know, it's technically not a good movie. No. I would give that like a nine now. Like, we out of the frontin stage. We've been out of the frontin stage for like seven years now.

3:58KT: I, I haven't popped my Master P film feature, cherry, actually, do I need to?

4:05Brent: Oh, you sure the hell do. We've done several now on the podcast. We need to do more. We, we gotta, Master P and Ice-T are like the patron saints of the Home Video Hustle right now. We've done so many of their movies. Ice-T has one called Corrupt. I highly implore all of you to watch it, but with the audio commentary with Ice-T talking over the movie, that shit is the best.

4:28KT: There'll be no other way to watch that. I hope they have SVU episodes. With that,

4:32Brent: I would wa I would watch SVU if it did, like I don't really watch it. I would watch it a few times 'cause it's crazy to say I watched it when I was a kid, but it's really been around that damn long now.

4:39KT: Yeah.

4:40Brent: But I ain't really looked at it since I was a kid, but everybody love it though. But yeah, on the podcast, like we don't do bad movies no more. We look, I mean, we legitimately do anything

4:49KT: as well.

4:51Brent: New releases when we want to try and pop the numbers a little bit. And there's actually something I want to pay to go see, which doesn't happen often. Uh, we, we got good movies. Like we've done like Oscar type movies. We did the Lord of the Rings movies. And I got bashed because I hated them. We did Star Wars and people were mad at PJ because he hated them. We've done it's like, this is

5:10KT: my house. Like, what, are you coming and fighting me?

5:13Brent: And that's, and that's the fun of the show is it's like, we don't, I mean, and we give a fuck about filmmaking. It could be the most well made movie in the world, but we based on entertainment. And when I entertained by it, no, fuck this movie.

5:23Brent: I don't care. I don't care how good it is. I don't want to watch it again. And we've even done like, We did a movie one time that was incredibly hard to find. We've done multiple times. Actually, we had to go dig into like damn near the dark web to find movies.

5:35KT: Uh huh.

5:36Brent: Because there were Patreon pics and we have to do them because if you don't know, we have a Patreon page and people are like, hey, you should watch this. And I'm like, where the hell is this? You're like, I don't know. Go find it. Yeah. Okay. So like Roller Gator is a big one. And you'll never be able to guess what that movie's about, unless I told you, but it's Is it about

5:52KT: gators that are roller skating?

5:55Brent: It's about gators that rap, and ninjas are trying to kill them. Well, a gator, sorry.

6:00KT: Okay.

6:01Brent: And the gator's a hand puppet.

6:04KT: Yes, I need more of that. Um, when Cameron and Jordan were on there, we're talking about Moonwalker. Um, we've done

6:11Brent: that evening

6:12KT: and also it was Sun Ra. I forgot what the film was called.

6:16Brent: Space Is the Place.

6:18KT: Yes. But I'm like, why don't, cause they were, they were describing it to me the same way you're describing that. And I'm like, why don't we make films like that anymore? I'm a very serious person and I do love a sad crying movie, but if you're not going to be that, Then be ridiculous, like lean all the way in and just do stupid shit. You want Tyrese and Luda to fly to the moon? Yes. You want to hop to hop to buildings in the UAE?

6:43KT: Fine. I'm in. But don't make it like commentary on the systemic struggle, you know? Like, let's just have like different types of films, right?

6:53Brent: It's not enough weird shit no more. That's one of the things that's like the gift and the curse of Tubi. Tubi scratches such an itch that I haven't had scratched in a very long time. But then sometimes it's a little too much. Skin starts to break a little bit, get a little bit of bleed. It's too much. You don't want that. Like we did one, like say, for instance, we did one. I forget what it was called now even, but it was like, Block burner. Okay. Scratch the itch a little bit. Trap Life scratch, itch.

7:19Brent: A little bit Trapping for Christmas. Scratch the hell outta that itch. I gave that a 10 plus. Everybody should watch Trapping for Christmas with the family at Christmas. Time is perfection.

7:30KT: Okay.

7:30Brent: But then we did one called like District Queens and that one I didn't like as much. That was a little bit too much scratching 'em now, but you see levels to this shit.

7:37KT: But that's what I like, but you never know. You'll never know unless you try it, right? And

7:40Brent: that's why it's so much fun, because it's almost like our podcast. We pick movies out of a bag at random, and that's what we're watching. Like Tubi, it's like you pick a movie and you don't know what you're going to get.

7:48Brent: It's always fun that way. But that's why I don't watch a lot of newer movies because it just, it feels like there's no, it feels formulaic. It feels like a factory. Now everything feels the same. It's the same plot, the same special effects, the same plots even. Like you in the 80s and even the 90s, you got so many different things.

8:04Brent: You can go to the movie. It's almost like what music you go to the theater, go to the music store. And there's just something that's different. Like we did a movie on the podcast called Oversexed Rugsuckers from Mars.

8:15KT: Wow.

8:16Brent: Again, I you'll never guess what that's about.

8:20KT: Well, if you want to try. If it's not as sexual as I think it is, then I don't want to know.

8:25Brent: Aliens come down from space and they inhabit a vacuum cleaner. A homeless man sees the vacuum cleaner. And fucks the vacuum cleaner in the vacuum bag hole and has kids with it.

8:35KT: Oh, fuck off.

8:37Brent: I said, I have the DVD. I have the DVD here. You can borrow, I'll make you a copy. It's real. It's probably on YouTube even at this point. That's a real movie. And you don't get stuff like that no more. You don't get your Roller Gators no more. I

8:50KT: think that's how it should be. I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of wankery that goes around. There's a lot of wanting to be cool and wanting to be sleek, but you're never watching this Boogey Man and reminded me of Evil Dead, um, as well as like, it just feels filmmaking, you know, like you just scrap together. You make the filmmaking. It may be a bit corny at times with like the shing, shing, shing.

9:12Brent: But I like there's a

9:13KT: charm. There's a charm to it because, you know, and even if I don't know how deep we want to go into like content creation, you can look crispy, crispy, crispy, but your audio is fucking shit.

9:25Brent: Exactly. Like, no, there's so many podcasts out there. Oh, yeah, man. You know, it's just celebrity started this podcast. I'm like, this podcast sucks.

9:34KT: Yeah,

9:35Brent: and I can say that you can say my sucks. I don't care. I'm still do it anyway, but I'm just saying like,

9:41KT: it doesn't change the fact that you'll suck.

9:43Brent: Exactly because they'll look like on ours. They'll be like, oh, that's indie podcast. You know, they ain't got no production budget. I ain't listening to that, but I find that. I listen to more indie podcasts than main ones, because the main ones all talk about the same stuff or they sound the same. Or as people, I don't give a absolute fuck about no energy levels to that shit.

10:03Brent: So it's like, but then I come to the For Your Reference podcast type thing. And y'all talking about Splooshies and everything that catches my attention from the jump. And then y'all got the movie selection that I fuck with. Y'all did New Jack City. I got love for y'all forever for that. I

10:16KT: was referencing your review of, um, New Jack City the whole time, um, when we were reviewing it as well. But it's, it's like, I think my thing is like, I love hearing people talk about films, but the people, it depends on who people are because if it's, if it's people I fucks with, it's, I could listen to you for hours all day. And it's such a great format. And all day. Since you also didn't mention it, HVH Radio is really cool as well.

10:39KT: Oh, I need to get back on that. Yeah. I enjoyed the Valentine's edition. Like, you're so creative and I love being able to enjoy what you bring out into the world.

10:51Brent: Please keep talking more about me. I love it. I don't hear enough of this. But no, HVH Radio is legitimately What I've always wanted to do. I went to school for broadcasting radio and all that. I wanted to be a radio DJ and I actually did it for a while. I was on the radio in Columbus and it just, it sucked because they're like, Hey, play these songs. Yeah. I'm like, Hey, can I like throw this one in there too? Like, no, do this. Talk about this. Now I'm legitimately falling asleep on the microphone.

11:16Brent: Yeah. Missing my cues to talk and everything. I'm just so bored. Yeah. I can't man. So I'll do this on my own. And then it did the podcast first. And now we do HVH Radio. And I've been told that my Valentine's day episode got somebody where they needed to be on a date. And I was like, I got you bro. Every year I'm going to do this now.

11:34KT: Well, um, I can, I can confirm there's been speculation. I can confirm there's no babies in the For Your Reference household, but we've definitely been practicing. Yes. I think. That's, I think that's also the goal, um, as well, but it's so great to have you on. And honestly, this could be three hours of us just like loving on each other of all of the year. It might've been, we started in 2019. You were super, super OG in that 2017. Exactly. Congratulations. Only two

12:04Brent: years. Thank you.

12:05KT: No, it's not only two years like that. No, because even I feel like we started late, even though there's so many people that started after us. So 2017, just take it, sir. Take the compliments.

12:17Brent: I'm taking the compliments. I don't get them often. So I'm taking them right now.

12:22KT: We're going to repair all of that. You know, I got you, but it's, yeah, it's so great to have you on. And also We said credentials and also may I say learned and I'm very excited to get into the A side, The Pop Out. Um, and even before starting, because yeah, it has been time actually, I think it's only been a week since the Not Like Us, um, music video has come out, but you know, like it's since April, was that when, um, like that came out, it might've been April, but it

12:54Brent: it sounded all right.

12:55KT: In any sense, like I've just been living. We've been sending funny shit to each other.

13:00Brent: Oh yeah.

13:02KT: So, but I just wanted to make sure you still wanted to talk about it. Oh yeah, let's get it.

13:06Brent: I will never turn down a chance to talk about hip hop. That's my bread and butter as outside of movies, of course.

13:11KT: Yeah. Um, well, I guess I'm happy to go wherever you want to go. Um, it would be great to, I guess, just in general, like hear about your love. Cause you already talk about your love for music and your love for hip hop. Um, but yeah, definitely touching on the notes. I don't know if you want to go track by track or we just talk about the Drake, like wherever you want to go, but I would love to hear, I guess, where you fell in love with hip hop and music. Oh,

13:35Brent: you want just in general? Oh, it's going to be a long episode. It's a long episode now. We

13:41KT: cleared out our mixers and RODECasters, friends and lovers. We got time.

13:44Brent: Oh yeah, I got a mixer board over here ready. I got 11 hours on the memory card right now, and I will use all of it. But if you want to go back to the origins, back in the beginning, it was middle school, uh, six or seventh grade.

14:00Brent: I think I was in the car with my mom, wasn't really a big music fan at the time. Every now and again, there's a song I might like that came out, but I wasn't really into it like that. Sitting there bored, waiting on my brother to get out of school, looking through mom's CD case. Cause yes, folks, I had a CD case in the car and I saw a CD.

14:17Brent: It looked bootleg And it looked like, oh, it was scratched up and scuff marked. And I asked my mom, I said, what the hell is that? I said, what is this? She said, oh, that's EPMD. Gee

14:26KT: willikers.

14:27Brent: Gee willikers, mother, what is this? Good gracious. That would be EPMD, my good sir. Second album, Unfinished Business. And I was like, huh, put it in the CD player. And the first song on there. So Wat Cha Sayin'? It was over after that. I was like, yo, it was almost like, you for the euphoria, basically, because you get if it was a movie would have been like the whole background would have started spinning, changing colors, like instantly hip hop fan from that one E. P.

14:56Brent: M. D. I mean, it just went on from there to the point where to this day, it's not I'm getting older. It's not as good as it used to be. Unfortunately, my mind is withering folks too many movies. I watched too much Roller Gator, but people would ask me. They were my friends will call me the hip hop encyclopedia before Wikipedia.

15:11Brent: I was that dude. Yeah, because they'd be like, Hey, Brent, that was just a mess. But like, what year did this KRS-One album come out? And I'm like, Oh, that came out in 1993 on this record label. It's got this many songs on it. My favorite song is track six, which is this song produced by this person. Like it was, it was crazy.

15:25Brent: I would read books. I still have all those books. Like the Check the Technique book I got where Bunch of hip hop liner notes. I'll watch documentaries. I mean, of course, listen to albums, read the liner notes inside of the CD case. Does it does sleep? You also

15:38KT: checking? Were you also checking the writing credits at that time?

15:40Brent: Yes. Everything. I know who produced it and I found out names. That's how I found out Ice Cube's real name was O'Shea Jackson. Cause I was like, who the fuck is O'Shea Jackson? And I was like, Oh, that's Ice Cube. He wrote Eazy-E's, almost his whole first album was like, just finding out stuff like that. And of course, like I said, documentaries and.

15:58Brent: I would find old tapes of Yo! MTV Raps. I had a friend that had a whole bunch of his dad's tapes recorded. I watched those all the time and get all the interviews. And it was like once I was in, I was in. Yeah. And it's been like that to this day. We're like, no, I got a whole bunch of records and tapes and CDs. And I watch Yo! MTV Raps on Paramount Plus.

16:20KT: Do you, do you have, um, because you have such a learned sort of deep knowledge, do you have that sort of, uh, old head point of view when it comes to hip hop?

16:31Brent: My friends to this day. And then since it's been middle school, they call me, it's my name on Twitter and all that, but Old School is where everybody's like, Oh, Old School, Old School.

16:40Brent: Like I got my, my homeboy, D Ray never even calls me Brent. They say, Hey, yo, School. Of course it's gotten short now over the years, but no, my friends will always tell me that like, they'll be like, man, you old ass motherfucker. And I'm like a teenager at the time. Yeah. Because even outside of music, I just was an old man about everything.

16:54Brent: I was the square of the group growing up. Yeah, you a square and you listen to old ass music on top of that. So, yeah, no, I had that name forever. Now on PSN, on PlayStation, my Old School is everywhere. When I started a videography company with that same friend, Old School Productions, like it's been that name forever now.

17:14KT: I think it's so cool to be able to, um, to explore those creative ventures as well, right? Because it's not, cause music isn't a passive thing. And, you know, even if you get to like Mr. Morale, it can be a healing thing. Um, or, you know, if you get to The Heart Part 6, it can be like a revealing of the,

17:35Brent: it can be an epic and make you vomit. Yeah.

17:40KT: A collective cringe. Um, exactly. But it's so cool to hear the context of, you know, how deep. It goes for you. Um, I just, I, I, I get scared of listening to new music. Like I have bits and pieces of things, uh, Kendrick albums. I listened to all of them. Um, the Tupac beating was like a peripheral thing, but like to get in the trenches, unless I'm watching like, um, hip hop documentaries and that sort of thing, it does feel a bit of like a periphery sort of experience for me.

18:13KT: Um, so it's cool to be able to hear. You know how deep in the trenches, um, you are. And also I guess you can thank Cameron and Jordan because they gave like a history of Drake to all the way back to like backpack Drake. So you don't need to do that unless you want to.

18:29Brent: I was, I was listening to the episode and I was like, man, I ain't got shit to talk about that covering everything. I'm like, I'm gonna go in there and just talk about this movie. Apparently.

18:39KT: Cause there's things that I want to hear from like your point of view. And I guess when did. When did Drake come into your consciousness, unfortunately, because when did you, when did you peep game that potentially he was, he was kind of pulling shit and he wasn't necessarily being the real deal. You know what I mean?

19:01Brent: Honestly, I'm gonna say this right now, and it might be anticlimactic. I've never in my life really paid him much attention, to be honest with you. I, Yasiin Bey, also known as Mos Def. Said a comment and I wholeheartedly agree with him because he said it. I can never think of the exact way to put it He put it perfectly Drake is what you hear in department stores Absolutely department store music like when I'm out there look buying us some new drawers or looking for a nice little shirt or some That's what's playing on the radio I don't Play that in the car Did you know it's a lot of a lot of people always said this about Eminem and I kind of said the same thing about Drake honestly is we were there by oh You don't don't nobody in the hood bang Eminem.

19:36Brent: Who you ever been with? Somebody said, yo, turn on that Eminem. I ain't ever been with nobody say turn on that Drake. I never have unless I like to meet

19:43KT: people. That's what

19:45Brent: oh, well, you are. No, I only really hang with PJ, my my brother and them. So they're do not listen to it either. But it's super hip hop family. I am. But yeah, no, I've never, I, of course, knew about him because the area where you can't escape them. I'm talking like he's all over TV and I used to come home. I like, I would watch music videos all the time. That's how I usually would keep up every now and again. I'd be like, you know, what, what are the kids up to? What's

20:08KT: hitting?

20:09Brent: Yeah. Yeah. What's popping in these streets? How you do fellow kids, that type of shit. But every now and again I find somebody good, but then there'd always be a Drake video mixed in. And I legitimately, I felt nothing watching those. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. It was just, it was there. It took up space on the videos, or the music racks.

20:26KT: Like, I think it's just, you know, that he's going to pop up in a YG in the future, sort of record, right?

20:33Brent: It's kind of he kind of was like the Lil Wayne at his time. It's like he's on everybody's song. His every one of his songs is on the radio constantly. He's in the music videos constantly. He's all over TV shows. He pops up in like movie cameos. You can't escape this, dude. I mean, granted, he started out as an actor, so that shouldn't be surprising. I've never in my life seen an episode of Degrassi, so I have no idea what's up with that. Like

20:54KT: I said, I only have the reference of Affion Crockett, like making fun of Drake. And that's like pretty much all I had, um, about that. Where was, I guess, just so we're fair and we can have a bit of love as well. Where did Kendrick come into your sort of purview?

21:11Brent: Honestly, it's always tell this story, but my cousin Andrew is always up to date with whatever's current hip hop. He's almost the opposite of me. He likes both. He likes the older stuff, but he always keeps up with what's new. He's like really about lyrical dudes. And, uh, back in Columbus, Ohio where I was at before I moved out to Cali, there's a store called Soul Classics, shoe store, clothing store, you know, urban store, whatever they want to call it.

21:32Brent: And he came home. He was so hype and he was like, hey Brent, Brent, look at this, look at this. I'm like, what's good, Andrew? What's up? And he showed me the picture and he's like, look at this. I'm like, I don't know who the fuck that is. He's like, that's Kendrick Lamar. Who? And this is like before he blew up.

21:47Brent: He's like, he caught him right before. So I'm like, I don't know who the fuck that is. And he told me he played some of his songs. I'm like, okay. Yeah, no, it's cool. But I'm just thinking it's like some like whatever some little local dude or some and then like a year later. Whenever that was, I think Swimming Pools came out, and I was listening to it. So that was Section.80

22:04KT: that you were listening to?

22:05Brent: It had to be probably around there. Yeah. Yeah, because it had the A.D.H.D song on there, so that was that one, yeah.

22:10KT: Uh huh.

22:11Brent: And that song came out, and I was like, oh, this is hard. I was watching the video, and I didn't know who it was, because I caught it as it was already on for like a minute, then it came up with the name, and it said Kendrick Lamar, and I was like, wait, I know that name.

22:21Brent: Yeah. I remember my cousin Andrew like, yo, that's, that's your man's right? That's the money. He took the picture. He's like, yeah. Son of a bitch. I didn't even think he was from California. I thought he was from like local since he took a picture in Columbus, but now he told me everything because he was so hype when I asked him about like, Oh, what's up with it?

22:36Brent: He was like, Oh yeah, let me get the notepad. Let me tell you all about Kendrick. Like he hit me the game real fast. Yeah. I was like, my first experience is Andrew showing me that picture. I'm just like, who the hell is this?

22:47KT: Well, even back in Section.80, like if I think of, I think my favorite track off there is Rigamortus, like even before Euphoria and we got the amber lamps and like all of the different like lines, like I crack an egg in your basket, you bastard. Like I would just say that.

23:03Brent: Unprompted

23:04KT: for no reason. It was never applicable, but like, how did, I guess, like with your sort of knowledge and love for hip hop of the different cadences of voices, did it put you off? Cause that was also something that I kept hearing people or people tweeting about saying that, like, they hated the way that Kendrick kept changing his voice.

23:21KT: It's like, have you listened to anything? Like, have you listened to any of his tracks? But like, I guess when you initially heard him switching flows and even just changing his voice sort of Did that put you off? Was it interesting to you? Or you're just like, it's just another rapper.

23:36Brent: Nah, it didn't put me off at all because one of my absolute favorite rappers, probably number two in my top five is a rapper named Kool Keith.

23:42Brent: I don't know if you're familiar or not. He not only will rap in different voices and tones, but he'll rap under aliases. He's definitely put out albums is like 20 different people probably or more by this point. Dr. Octagon and Black Elvis. Yeah, there's just a ton of different names. And he does that like each, not every album, but a lot of the albums are like concepts where he'll rap in a different voice.

24:01Brent: Like it's Dr. Octagon, he's a little bit higher pitched. He's like, Oh, you need a bad operation. Now, you know, that type of voice or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love it. Like I can never knock it. So the Kendrick thing never bothered me. It just gave me, you know, echoes of Kool Keith a little bit, which is good because I fucking love Kool Keith.

24:15Brent: And no, I didn't, especially like, cause it's a, People were saying, I think it was Euphoria, where he rapped in the different tones, and people I know were saying, Oh, this is whack, man, you know, he trying to sound tough, and he trying to do this, and I'm like, no, he's flowing with the He has a different flow for it, like, as the escalation of the song goes forward, I like that shit.

24:32Brent: I was like, I got hype, because when he started getting hype, I was like, oh, in the car, like, hell yeah. Because when Euphoria came out, I was on the way to work when I found out about Euphoria. Yeah. So I'm on the highway, I listen to that song, it takes me about in the morning, I'm like, hmm. About 45 minutes to get to work. I list that song like 10 times. Yeah, absolutely.

24:48KT: Absolutely. And I just like love Oti. And this is also like, this is a great opportunity to like have this series of KT and Friends, but he's like in a job that's actually important. Like he actually like, and I just shit talk and wait to get home and go on Twitter.

25:04KT: Um, but like, so he was busy. Cause I think it came out. Maybe during our work day, but I had to wait all day for Oti to like, stop doing his very important work things and we didn't hear it. And he was still working actually. It was like 8, 9 PM, but he had a moment, like he had a little slice where it was like, okay, we can listen to you Yeah.

25:27KT: And it was like, cause usually the way we like to do it is like, we like to listen to it on the TV. It got to a point where we had to listen on earphones first, then the TV. Um, but this, we had to do it, the PC. So it wasn't our optimum sort of experience, but we were like sitting there and shout outs to that YouTube channel that does like the lyrics and stuff.

25:45KT: It was like that. Yes. That's how late it was that the lyrics were already up. So we weren't right. I feel like every other track I was like right on the second of when it came out. But yeah, so like sitting there, uh, we, we made a meal of it. We got some wine, we got some chocolates and like the chocolates fell out of our mouth as soon

26:01Brent: as we like

26:03KT: started hearing it. And we're just like, this is, this is, well, first off, cause. Love to Jermaine Cole. And I did apologize through Twitter and the podcast. Um, but, uh, like this is the warning shot, like not 7 Minute Drill because like Kendrick's still going for it, but he's still not saying explicitly what he says in other tracks, like Meet the Grahams.

26:26KT: Um, and Not Like Us as well. Right. He's still, he's like, I got my finger on the trigger. But I'm not there yet. Like, but I'm warning you, like I'm warning you. And I would also like to say like, not just for like in the hip hop space, but also just like music criticism in general, uh, general, like the sort of analytical discussion and love that people have for the music.

26:50KT: Songs like, uh, Bohemian Rhapsody, they should also have for Euphoria because there were switches in there just like, and like that, I hope you caught me through switches, like, and the cadence and the flow, like you said, cause you're literally like levitating by the time, you know, we get to like the other tracks were all the way floating in a different dimension, but it really paints a narrative.

27:11KT: And, you know, even though my monthly listens, Not Like Us is the. the more frequent one. Euphoria is my favorite track because it's in and of itself a whole meal.

27:23Brent: No, I've listened to Euphoria way more. I personally, like, think that's the best of the whole entire, out of all of them, out of J. Cole, Drake, and Kendrick, Euphoria is the best song out of that whole lineup.

27:32KT: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. But I'm bumping this at work. Like I'm looking at spreadsheets and shit. So I'll just put Not Like Us on. Cause it's just like, it just bangs through my head.

27:43Brent: I did that work today. We got the sound bar in the office. I'm sitting there, me and my boy Thomas, the other coworker working on machines with that playing in the background on the subwoofer. I'm like, we don't care what they're going to say to us. But yeah, no, Euphoria definitely, that, that hit different when it came out. I kept listening to it, just rewind, rewind, rewind, rewind every time.

28:03KT: Cause this is what, this is what I was saying, and we don't need to go through track by track, um, but for Euphoria in particular, I said to Oti, you're dead. Like he's done. There's nothing else to say, even if he does, and he's still doing stupid shit. Um, you know, your tired memes, your microwave memes are losing steam and all that shit, right? There's a real world outside away from the little kiddies That's all you know. And

28:31Brent: unfortunately, that's what's always worked for him. Like, Oh, I'll go online and talk smack and, you know, My followers are retweeting and DJ Akademiks are glazed the hell out of you more line. And Ooh, I liked that face. She just made y'all didn't see that though. But

28:43KT: yeah, I made the face, the face that Ak made when he was listening to Meet the Grahams and his name dropped. That was the

28:51Brent: thing.

28:51KT: Um, but I said to Oti, I was like, it's done. Like, you know, for lyricism and everything it's done, like, there's nothing else that can be achieved and there's nothing else that should be achieved. Be achieved. Cause I think that's what you're also saying as well. Like he's always going to continue to try it, but I'm like, it's, it's done. J Cole. I think at that point J Cole was in peace. He was,

29:14Brent: he was out

29:16KT: looking at the same sun, hoping Kendrick is looking at the same sun, enjoying the New York breeze, even though you guys don't use garbage bins, but anyway.

29:26Brent: Yeah, I

29:27KT: just thought they didn't have a system for it.

29:30Brent: I don't know how that I've never been in New York. I didn't know that was a real thing. I thought that was just in movies, but then I saw a video. Somebody was on the side while walking. Somebody legitimately just opened a window through trash. I'm like, that's real. That's nasty. That's crazy. I'm good. That's why I'm on the West coast. Apparently.

29:49KT: But, uh, and then Oti, cause I think Oti was enjoying the game, like the game of the beef and the chess moves and just living and breathing in the moment.

29:59KT: Cause it's a lot of fun, right? Like as soon as there were, there are people I hit up immediately and they're pretty much on this KT and Friends. It's you. It's Cameron. It's, uh, it's Jordan. It's Andre coming up. Um, but yeah, I'm just like. This is a moment. So I get that, like, I get what Oti was saying, but I was like, it needs to end now, like, even though I'm happy to be here and we got Not Like Us, we didn't need anything else after that.

30:25KT: Um, and yeah. Do you have any thoughts on people saying that Family Matters is Drake's strongest record in this. Beef. You have no thoughts on the man, do you?

30:40Brent: Oh, I mean, I do have thoughts on Drake, but that song in particular, I Yeah, I listened to it once I will say I'm gonna give him his props I'm not gonna be like hating on it the whole time when Push Ups came out. I liked that record I actually did listen to it a couple of times I really did and then Euphoria came out and just completely wiped it from existence That was the Thanos snap to that song because it's like oh i'm done with you're done now I don't need this no more.

31:03KT: What else is there? I did

31:04Brent: like yeah, I liked it though I can't say but that I mean I didn't like Family Matters that much listen to it the one time it came out and I was like, yeah, the, the AI song I didn't even bother with. I didn't even listen to that. I'm like,

31:17KT: let's let's get

31:18Brent: it.

31:19KT: So, as a brown person, as a Pacific Islander, as a Tongan, like you don't play with the dead. Like for me that, like, I felt that on a cultural ancestral level, I'm like, you don't play with the dead, but also in our culture, there's an acceptance that life goes on.

31:38KT: Like it's sad that you're gone, but it's also a natural part of life and we will remember you, um, and memorialize you. In different ways, whether it's having you on our shirt, you and the clouds. Um, so I think I just, it was disgusting to me. Like I just couldn't fathom for a rap beef. Like if you're saying it's not that deep, how could you.

32:05KT: Do that and also feel that that is a flex in some sort of way. So culturally and as a, as a brown gal, I'm like, this is gross. Um, but also it was, it was cheese and your cheese and fat. What were your thoughts on it?

32:21Brent: I didn't even listen to it, but I was just like, that's, that's a dumb move. That was a bad idea. Anything in hip hop, at least, I mean, I don't know, it's probably different nowadays, but in the good era, the one that I like, anything to be considered like any type of biting or stealing or flows or anything like that is bad. Yeah, you don't want to impersonate nobody's style. You don't want to act like nobody else.

32:43Brent: You want to be you and in a rap beef to do fake AI voices at all. Yeah, not even a rap beef. I would say rap in general, unless you're doing it for comedy or a skit. So if you're trying to be serious and you're doing AI, you're doing it wrong.

32:55KT: Like the Dave Chappelle, the Dave Chappelle of Tupac in the club, like his song.

32:59Brent: Exactly. Like that's funny. I love that. But to try and use that, cause I get, you know, the funny thing is I get what he was trying to do. He's trying to use the voice to get, he's trying to egg at Kendrick and poke at him. And like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got your, you know, your West coast legend. I'm gonna have him talk smack about you. It'd be different. If Tupac was alive and he sided with Drake and talk shit about him, that would hurt.

33:21KT: Yeah, but it's like The Game.

33:23Brent: I feel like

33:26KT: I want to say that every time I do this recording and see what the reaction is.

33:30Brent: I mean, the thing is, I don't dislike to actually really like he put out an album a couple of years ago called 1992. I love that record. I play it all the time. So I don't dislike him completely, but he does weird stuff sometime. I don't know what's up with him sometimes, but yeah, no, it's, it's not Tupac. It's not Dr. Dre. It's not, it's The Game. Yeah. So that's not exactly. So him doing the fake voices and everything, it was just like, that's corny as hell.

33:58Brent: But then you have to remember, Oh, it's Drake. He's corny as hell

34:02KT: on brand

34:03Brent: like a motherfucker. So that's why I was like, I won't even waste my time with this. I don't want to hear no AI rap or no AI beef because. Man, there was a time in, like, early hip hop, man, where If a beef started, you had to step the hell up that could end or like break your career that can make your career I mean look at KRS-One back in the day, South Bronx. Sent that out cuz MC Shan did a song called The Bridge and he was talking about how you know hip hop started in the Well, he didn't say hip hop started in the Bridge. We were just saying like the Bridge where he come from that's like one of the big origin points of hip hop Mm hmm KRS-One put out a song called South Bronx saying basically fuck you hip hop started in South Bronx, which it didn't So, uh But he did that.

34:41Brent: But KRS-One had even said in interviews, like if MC Shan had not been on his hip hop shit and responded, if he had just ignored him, KRS-One wouldn't even be a thing. They probably would have never even had a whole career. But in the spirit of hip hop, he like, oh, I got to respond to this. Yeah. And then he responded with Kill That Noise. And then it was like, OK, it's KRS-One's like that. The Bridge Is Over, you know, and it just went off from there,

35:06KT: but I think it's like a gladiatorial arena, right?

35:09Brent: Exactly. That's what exactly what it is. It's two titans in the arena and we're going to go throw down. And it's almost like if we use the gladiator analogy, you know, that's like if Kendrick came in there with the sword and they clang the swords, you know, he might have stumbled Drake.

35:22Brent: But then Drake pull out cheat code and pull out his gun and smoke him. It's like that's what the AI thing You tried to do a cheat code and try and poke at him and be funny and it's like it backfired completely Yeah, the hip hop fans wasn't having it the drake fans are like, oh shit. Oh, look what he did son He used Tupac against him. It's not Tupac though

35:39KT: Yeah,

35:39Brent: like I said, it hits differently if you actually got that person and the fact that you know The Snoop Dogg thing was crazy because Snoop is alive and Snoop was even like I think he put the video where he was like Looking at like what the fuck and he's i'm going back to bed You So it's like you did the Snoop Do you have

35:54KT: Um, I guess industry or like, even just like music context, do you even have a reasoning as to why or how he thought that might've worked? Cause I don't get it.

36:06Brent: It's corny and he corny. That's about the best thing I get. He thought he really, it's just like in the, it's just like The Heart Part 6, my man's really thought he was doing something. And I think with the AI track, he really thought he was doing something. He was like, I'm gonna get him.

36:19Brent: I'm gonna use this AI and I'm gonna be like Tupac and I'm gonna grill him. I'm gonna tell him he ain't shit. And then people told him that song wasn't shit. And it, I'm pretty sure it got erased. I'm, I don't know if he can even still listen to it on streaming or anything. It went away. I he get removed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it is like that. There you go.

36:35KT: Yeah, but like going back to that gladiatorial like arena, I feel like Drake would be that like, you know, think he's a slime in his head. Like he would like throw sand in your eye.

36:45Brent: Oh yeah. He definitely gonna cheat some

36:47KT: punk ass shit. Like just. It's like, it's like fight, fight direct, like, let's, let's get this, um, battle down for sure. But yeah, it's interesting coming into, so your favorite track is Euphoria

36:59Brent: easily.

37:01KT: And where was your, I guess, what was your favorite, Oh shit. Like, Oh shit. Like I'm listening to the song for the first time. When was that moment? Cause I think for me it might've been either 6:16 in LA or Meet the Grahams. Yeah.

37:18Brent: Oh, for me, it was Euphoria. That was, like I said, that was, that was legit euphoria listening to that. Cause cause you know, he was doing that thing too. Drake was, or he was like, drop, drop, drop, you know, trying to taunt him and like, acting like he wasn't going to say nothing. And I think it was like a weekend went by, I think before Euphoria came out.

37:34Brent: About that long. And so when it came out, it was like, Oh, and then when it started with the Teddy Pendergrass sample, I was like, Oh, let's get it. And I love it because. If you're not a Teddy fan and know all those songs, a lot of people didn't catch on to the reference, at least what I think is the reference, but the song that he sampled is called You're My Latest Greatest Inspiration.

37:55Brent: So the fact that you use that song in particular as the beat, like at the start of it, I was like, Oh, I see what he doing already. Let's fucking go. And then as it went further and further on in the beat changes and the escalation and everything, I think the biggest pop for me in that song more than anything was the, when you stand next to Red, I believe you see two bad

38:14KT: bitches.

38:15Brent: I was in tears. Cause I was like, yeah, cause I think either the day before or maybe before that sometime I saw a picture where he had like the, the, I think he had the painted nails and he had like, he had like his skin looked all smooth and I was like, damn, he probably do. Cause I just saw that picture where he doing like the Sexyy Red looking pose and shit. So I was like, oh, damn.

38:37KT: We'll go back to the tracks cause I know we're jumping, but like, what did you think of the Sexyy Red Drake? I think strategically it was very dumb to do. Um, but what'd you think of the actual, cause did I send you grippy?

38:51Brent: Yes, you did.

38:52KT: Okay. We can not talk about grippy, but, um, but the Sexyy Red, uh, the track, U My Everything. As you like cleared a third of the beat here, I was. I was feeling awake. 'cause I was like, even if mediocre people, they don't get to go on there like

39:10Brent: no

39:10KT: people that work. Like, anyway, I'll, I'll let you go. Where you wanna go?

39:16Brent: Nah, that song's whack. It's whack as fuck. Like, I, I, I can't do it, man. I listened to it once. I don't even know if I listened to the whole thing. I think I actually just skipped after like a couple. I just get to the Drake part. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I don't, I don't hear this shit. And I know he tried to reclaim the BBL Drizzy thing. So I'm like, yeah, I'm BBL Drizzy. I'm buying the girls BBLs. I'm like, that's not a fucking flex.

39:34Brent: You sound like a simp. I'm out here buying butts for these bitches or whatever the hell he said. I'm like, again, on brand. It sound corny as fuck. But it's like,

39:45KT: it's what everyone was saying on Twitter, not just Drake fans, like just not even Kendrick fans, just people in general saying it as bants and as a joke. And you're like, Oh yeah, it's like, no, bro, we're laughing at you. You can't turn it around. It's always going to be about you.

40:01Brent: Exactly. He just on that internet troll shit. That's 'cause every time he's been in like a beef, he's always tried to, you know, joke his way out of it through memes and try and act unbothered. But I hate to tell you, Drake, if you're listening, that just makes you look bothered. Yeah. If you just constantly gotta post that how unbothered you are. You see Kendrick didn't do the, Kendrick posted the songs and then he went away. Yeah, you're not constantly posting pictures like, Oh, you know, summer vibes up next and giving up basically like that.

40:25Brent: You're bothered. I've seen a picture of you recently. You look older now.

40:28KT: Yeah. And it's like definitely someone that shouldn't be around 16 year olds. That's for sure. Like it's so very clearly, um, but it's like, yeah, if, if Drake is somehow listening to this very delicious, but indie podcast, he is unbothered because how, how did you find us? But you saw he was like voting on polls.

40:50Brent: That's what I'm saying. Like he is so bothered.

40:53KT: Yeah. So maybe he is bothered enough to find indie podcast talking about Drake.

40:59Brent: He's just clear. I can just hear him typing everything he can like Drake, Drake, Drake. But no, yeah. One star. One

41:05KT: star. One star. Exactly. Fuck this

41:06Brent: podcast. Fuck this podcast. Fuck this podcast. I don't care. I don't give us one star. Shit. We still have 4. 9. I don't care. But there it is. It's always got to be one person, but it's fine. No, we like that. I mean, we doing something right. If somebody got to give us a one star.

41:20KT: Oh, absolutely. But yeah, I just, cause I just like, unless it was like Fuckin' Problems, I think that was the last time I was like checking for Drake, like that was the last time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, obviously there was Poetic Justice. I didn't listen to his. Album. So I didn't know that Kendrick was on an interlude or whatever. Um, but it's kind of, it's kind of embarrassing that I didn't need to keep up with him and just know it. You just plug and play like you just go back into wherever he was.

41:51KT: Um, he's got a Spanish accent. The snail, like, it's just like he's doing the mandem UK Krody drill or whatever. And it's, it's, it's, it's just, Like, you know, it's, there are so many great sort of like mashups in history, whether it's, um, like Aerosmith and Run-DMC, like, but they still sound the same, like they don't need to.

42:14KT: They don't need to switch up their styles in any way. Um, but yeah, Euphoria is definitely the landmark sort of track. Um, and then, yeah, and then I'm thinking, like, he just ruins everything. Cause, you know, I'll be at the new Hawking with a fried rice and a dip sauce and a blammy cruddy. So, but you're cheesin fam. And I was like, everything is so great, but I can't, like, recite it without, you know, Remembering him going there, shooting a whole music video. Embarrassing

42:48Brent: that got immediately forgotten. Cause then Meet the Grahams came out right afterwards.

42:52KT: Oh, and nobody

42:54Brent: cared about that video at all anymore.

42:56KT: No, no. Um, I don't know how deep in like, cause I was enjoying it too much and I was deep in like there's a Dark Kenny subreddit. They had to create a different subreddit because these conspiracy people were flooding the Kendrick Lamar. The subreddit. Um, so I would frequent there and I would also go on Ebony Prince.

43:17Brent: I was right there with you on that one. I don't really mess with Reddit, but I did see that.

43:21KT: See, this is, this is how we find each other. Um, but I kept telling Oti, like he got to, like, he would be like, did you get this from the Dark Kenny subreddit or did you get this from Ebony Prince? And then he just stopped asking and stopped listening because I did that old, like, red wool and I'm like connecting.

43:36Brent: Oh yeah, the chart. Yeah,

43:39KT: I don't think, I don't think it's a secret that Drake has signed some sort of devil deal. Like I don't think that

43:49Brent: it's something going on behind the scenes. He's been around for so long making sounds like the same songs over and over again. But then it's hard to knock him because it seems like, in my opinion, a lot of people make the same songs over and over again. And then people, as long as you can make a TikTok dance to it, apparently it's going to be hot in the streets.

44:07Brent: Because like I was saying with Drake, I can legitimately only say there's one Drake song I've ever really say I can. Well, two, I guess, because, uh, Push Ups. I did like when it before Kendrick came on, demolished it. But that and Back to Back are the only two songs in his rounds. I actually can like listen to these songs and really enjoy them. Other than that, it's just right over the head in one ear out the other, just background music.

44:28KT: Yeah.

44:28Brent: And normally I would turn it off anyway, unless I'm in a store or somewhere where I can't turn it off. I turn it off. It's like, it does nothing for me at all.

44:35KT: Yeah. But I think it was also like in three of his tracks, he was like, Oh, come on, you might drop it, but I'm going on holiday. And it's like,

44:45Brent: he's on

44:45KT: the line three times. And it's like, why do you keep responding? Yeah.

44:50Brent: It's like he ain't even said nothing back yet. That's the only thing I guess about the internet era where you can just put out anything anytime you want. It ain't like back in the day, like you'd have to Wait, what maybe a year or plus you have to wait basically till the next album came out for the most part to get the Next song like, you know, No Vaseline came out Well, I think either later the same year or the year after N.W.A song or they distant think it was I think they're both 91 actually, so you just had to wait a little while but I'm saying it wasn't like instantly though It's not like I can just wake up tomorrow.

45:16Brent: I'm like, hey, I just made this weak ass song Let me throw this out here on their ass. Let's go shoot a music video and upload it tomorrow Yeah, so you had to put a little bit more work. There's a little bit more anticipation You Whereas, you know, when the beef started, I was kind of into it. Cause you know, I love hip hop beef. I ain't gonna lie. Like that's exciting. Do you have a favorite?

45:33KT: Or maybe like a top three or like, it doesn't mean just one.

45:38Brent: The, the KRS-One and MC Shan battles definitely up there. I, you know, the LL Cool J and Kool Moe Dee one is great just cause it just seemed like it went on forever. Like they just kept going. Like that went from the eighties into the nineties. Like they just kept going back and forth for each other.

45:53Brent: Yeah. Like Dick Kool Moe Dee. Made a diss song to LL Cool J called Let's Go that's at the end of Nightmare on Elm Street Part 5. Like, they made it into movies. I'm thinking diss songs of each other, I'm dead serious. You watching Nightmare on Elm Street Part 5 and Freddy Krueger done scared you, you saw him getting murdered, the heroes are all doing their thing, and then the credits point all you hear is, Want me to get him?

46:13Brent: Well, I got him. It's like, what the fuck is this? Where's come from all of a sudden? But I love it, though. But that beef went on forever. You know, Mama Said Knock You Out is technically a song in that battle. Oh, OK. And then Kool Moe Dee come came back with a song called Death Blow. And I I've said this many times that people disagree with me a lot. But I love Death Blow. Of course. Why would you do a better one?

46:36KT: Why would people not agree? Oh, okay.

46:38Brent: Mama Said Knock You Out was that the era that's a classic song. He's going to be hard to top that. And because again, the beef has been going on for so long. People were just like, nah. And Kool Moe Dee still, even though it was like the early 90s, he still kind of rapped with the 80s style.

46:52Brent: So everybody thought he's like corny. You're out of date. You're old. Go away. And he was older because Kool Moe Dee was had been around since the early 80s. If you want to go back to like one of the first hip hop beefs, you know, it's him versus Busy Bee. And this was when it was all on records and like live. You had to go see it.

47:07Brent: Like that's how far back that went. So people were just kind of like, nah, but I love there's a whole section of that song where he disses LL just using words that start with the letter L and he was like, you know, loser, lackadaisical, I can't think of it now, but he goes on for like a whole like 45 seconds just going on.

47:25Brent: Let's let's lose some, it always makes me laugh because he just really thought of so many L words and just diss his ass. So in the music video for Death Blow is a like making fun of the Mama Said Knock You Out video. I love the fake LL Cool J in the ring, like getting punched and like knocked out. Kool Moe Dee's like the commentator talking shit about you on the side. It's hilarious. I love Death Blow. I don't care.

47:48KT: Well, people, people talk about love and love is very important, but I feel like hate is what drives excellence.

47:56Brent: Yeah. Hate is a hell of a motivator. Yeah. Said by Jim Cornette.

48:01KT: And it's like, you see athletes competing on a global level. That wasn't out of love. No,

48:07Brent: no, it's like Hey, for

48:08KT: competition, for being the best.

48:10Brent: Yeah, we got to get, as I'm saying, back in the day with hip hop, like, if somebody dissed you and you didn't come back, it's a wrap, for the most part, like, you get done now.

48:18KT: It's like, get in the ring or get out.

48:20Brent: Exactly, like, what you going to do about it? You ain't going to do nothing? Well, we done with you now. Well, I I mean, hell, you can No, you can't. That's what I was saying. Now I was gonna say if you tell my hip hop beefs to you just kind of LL has so many of them You could kind of just say five different LL beefs beef with Kool Moe Dee, beef to Canibus, beefed with Ice-T, the Ice-T one is one.

48:40Brent: I love because they had a little beef going back and forth But then Ice-T in an interview said, they asked him like, yo, we know whatever happened with that LL beef. And he was like, yeah, man, I seen LL at a party or something somewhere, and I saw how buff he got, and I was like, I ain't fucking with that nigga.

48:55Brent: I was like, that's real, you know? Like, look, I don't even want to deal with it no more. And LL technically almost beat a dude to death that tried to break in his house. I'm not messing with that dude either

49:05KT: though. Like you took a risk, you found out you fucked around and you found out exactly. All I have about LL Cool J is like, you know, people like tweeting, like, why is he wearing like a full blown jeans and a waterfall

49:20Brent: like

49:22KT: that? Um, the, I. The reason why I love the Halloween franchise so much, and I will defend the franchise on H20 alone,

49:32Brent: it's, it's the best one. I don't, he

49:34KT: was a security guard that wrote erotica in his spare time. He was a poet,

49:41Brent: big melon breasts,

49:44KT: round voluptuous melons.

49:47Brent: I love it.

49:48KT: And I will fight you if you try and say that LL Cool J wasn't talking about my round voluptuous. But that was only no one else

49:58Brent: like legit the in the out. You probably know the stories you like that movie, but originally when he got taken out, he was supposed to be dead. He was gone from the movie, but the test audiences are so mad that they brought him back. Yes. That's why he just came back. You know, he got fucked up. He just had a little bandaid on. He's like, yeah, I'm good. Don't worry about

50:13KT: it. They talk about the power of the pussy. They don't talk about the power of the bosom, you know,

50:18Brent: exactly. Like I got some titties to get home to fuck this bullshit.

50:22KT: Motorboating cannot wait.

50:25Brent: Exactly. You know, and I give, I give Cool J props for that too, because after that you stopped seeing a lot of black people dying horror movies for a little while. You see Busta Rhymes survived. He survived Deep. Did

50:34KT: we survive Busta Rhymes and Tyra Banks?

50:37Brent: I will, I will never be mad at that movie because I got my line trick or treat, motherfucker.

50:42KT: Yeah. That's that

50:43Brent: saves it right there. I'm good now. That's all I needed.

50:45KT: It was interesting because we were, ah, is it Wrong Turn or is it the one with the like the little inbred people living in the mountain? That's

50:53Brent: Wrong Turn. Yeah.

50:54KT: Yeah, I think it was. I think it was. Um, I think it was that. I think it was that film, but you have so many different films made at that time that have that reality TV format. So even that, see, that's another film podcast, like idea. If anyone has time, friends and lovers. So like, because you watch so many different horror franchises and obviously it's like the flavor of the month or the year.

51:19KT: But I always think of the Busta Rhymes and the Tyra Banks one, which was like cool. I didn't hate it, but like, I just, I just have a little Cool J and also Deep Blue Sea, obviously. But there was also another film. That had Omar Epps in it because we were on our Omar Epps tip and we were watching Omar Epps

51:36Brent: films.

51:36KT: Is it Scream 2? No, no, we're out of horror. Um,

51:40Brent: but

51:40KT: LL Cool J essentially plays God.

51:42Brent: Oh, In Too Deep. With a

51:43KT: pool stick, yeah. In Too Deep, that's one

51:45Brent: of PJ's favorite movies. And he cut, he cut to do his tongue out.

51:49KT: Yeah. So I'm like, those are the references that I have. And obviously like the TV star talent, um, that LL Cool J is, but like, that's the sort of reference. So to know that he had like multiple rap beefs, like it's just like, so do you, do you care about the comparisons people make to Drake? And do you understand what that means? Do they mean like he was the popular guy of the time?

52:13Brent: What kind of comparisons you talking about? I hear a lot of comparisons. I don't know which one you mean.

52:17KT: Well, just that like, uh, Drake is the LL Cool J. Oh, hell

52:21Brent: no, no, no, hell no. Cause that sounds

52:24KT: disrespectful to me, but maybe I don't understand enough about rap.

52:27Brent: I'm trying, you know, I'm trying to be fair and I'm thinking about it cause he, you know, when LL and Canibus beef, there was a line in one of his, Second Round K.O., where he told LL Cool J 99 percent of your fans wear high heels.

52:39Brent: And then of course, LL Cool J responded by saying 99 percent of your fans don't exist, but you know, that's another song. But, but going by what Canibus said, I mean, technically, cause with Drake, I legitimately don't know any dudes that listen to Drake, but I know a lot of ladies that listen to Drake. So it's department store music and like girlfriend music, you know, like my girlfriend doesn't listen to it, but that's what I associate with. She's a real

53:02KT: one. That's why.

53:02Brent: Exactly. Like she nah, she R&B girl anyway. She don't listen to a lot of rap, but yeah. But, uh, yeah, no, I, in that way, I can't see a comparison because that was the criticism for LL too. But musically, like, I can't, I can't, I can't bring myself to make that comparison.

53:19KT: So this is, this is a beautiful, gorgeous in podcasting, or I guess in storytelling, we call a segue culturally. I feel like that's the difference. Cause when I saw the LL and the Drake thing, I was like, Hmm, that doesn't make sense. And I think it's because culturally LL J is tapped in. Like, aside from the fact that Drake's Canadian, um, because there are like black people in Canada and they do experience racism. I don't know if you saw that clip,

53:46Brent: but it was

53:47KT: like, Oh, I've never experienced racism until I like met black people in America. And it's like, what are you doing? Crony, are you Taylor Swift where you wanted to go back to the 18 thousands where there were no races? Cause you wouldn't be there. My friend Rick Ross races actually like,

54:04Brent: yeah. The Taylor Swift thing is crazy. I still ain't got over that one. I was like, man, that's, you got to, this is why you got to keep history in school, everybody. I thought you were going to

54:15KT: say she needs to get some ayahuasca and strip the ego from the book.

54:20Brent: No, I, I legit, I didn't think that was real when I read that online, I'm like, ain't no way. She ain't no way. She said that ain't no way. And then I was like, damn. She really said that.

54:27KT: There is a way

54:28Brent: she

54:30KT: really

54:30Brent: said that son, I can't believe it. That's wild.

54:34KT: It's creative. It's, it's creative. That's for sure. But, um, cause that comes to like, cause there was a tweet. That I saw, um, during the whole rap beef where people were saying, like, let's not make hip hop turn into what they made jazz and it's the, yeah, I don't know how deep you want to go into it, but it's like, it's the, it's the commodification and it's the popularity.

54:59KT: And I think, You know, even I think it was Jordan that said it in the last Pop Out, like rap discussion of talking about, because we're talking about Juice and like, um, how there was studio involvement. And,

55:12Brent: you

55:13KT: know, there's a, there's a black filmmaker shout out to Marcellus Cox. He like messaged me saying that there was studio interference because I had qualms. With, you know, The motivations, especially of Bishop, like he just went wild. And if you want to go wild, that's fine. But I feel like there was something deeper that could have been said. New Jack City wise, Boyz n the Hood wise, like there's a reason why you are where you are and you want to get out from where you are.

55:37KT: Right. So Jordan was commenting, um, on that and he was saying it was probably because hip hop was new at the time and I thought that was quite interesting because, you know, you could definitely give more of a succinct sort of context, but there was a time where you could be popular and respected, I guess, is the key word popular and respected in the hip hop game.

56:00KT: But not necessarily have commercial success, but now it's kind of making it the same thing. If you're commercially successful, maybe from the outside or maybe from the inside, then you're also certified and respected in the rap game.

56:15Brent: And I know with Juice, too. I've watched Ernest Dickerson talk about it, too. They're definitely with studio interference. They had the studio interfere with the whole ending of that movie.

56:24KT: Yeah, I need to watch, I need to watch and listen to interviews. Definitely.

56:27Brent: Yeah, because of him screaming and falling off of the building. That was, I'm pretty sure Ernest Dickerson said on there that him and Tupac were both mad about that ending. So Ernest Dickerson was like, you know what? I want you to do this like as goofy and over the top as possible to scream and everything just so they could see them. Like, you know what? Nevermind. And then they left it in there anyway. So they

56:45KT: wouldn't even realize that it's like making fun of it. Yeah.

56:48Brent: Exactly. But no, there was a big thing back in the day where it's like, you know, you don't go to commercial, you don't go pop ain't no sellout. You know, if you do the movies and stuff, you know, you do it with the black filmmakers, you do it with your John Singletons and all, they do it with the Hughes brothers. You do that type of stuff. And just.

57:04Brent: You know, down the line, as money became more and more of a big factor in hip hop, when it was less about the lyrics and more about the album sales and more about the jewelry, the bling bling and all that type of shit, you started seeing a lot less of that. That's why I have so much love for Master P tried to do with his movies.

57:18Brent: He's like, you know, he tried to get out and about in a theater and supposedly got banned from theater. So he's like, well, you know what? I'll start No Limit Films. I'll do it myself. I'll get the, you know, the people from Louisiana and when I bought out in the movie. And we'll just do it our damn selves. Mm hmm.

57:31Brent: And so a lot of cats get in the movies and they see them in music videos, they'll spawn off and do their own thing. Like, I got mad love for Master P when it comes to all that type of stuff, because he pretty much was like, Fuck y'all, we gon do this, and we gon do it our way. Because a lot of the pop things, cause you know, of course, you look at, it's, I mean, even back in the day, you had your plants that they always talk about, you know, they with the plant out of Vanilla Ice in the scene or something like that.

57:54Brent: Mm hmm. They were, I mean, people have called MC Hammer a plant, I don't think MC Hammer was a plant. I think he gets falsely labeled as that. MC Hammer just got offered a lot of money. I was like, I'm going to do this. But then he didn't help himself when he did Pumps and a Bump and tried to go gangster rap and completely change the image that you don't do.

58:10Brent: Nobody likes inauthenticity. And that's one of the reasons why me and Drake ain't never really been a thing, because I just get a sense of inauthenticity from it. He started out as the little, even like, I didn't know about the backpack stuff that Jordan and I were talking about, but as far as I knew, he came out as like the little simpy sounding dude crying about how he don't get no coochie.

58:28Brent: And now all of a sudden he's like this big gangster dude and he's doing like patois accents and everything. I never forget. I burst out laughing. I saw a clip online where he was in the studio and he, I, I, I know what he said. He was like, looked at the camera. He just said, Combination.

58:43KT: No. In that type of voice. I don't need to know that.

58:47Brent: No. I was like, what the fuck is he doing? And he started rapping like that. I was like, oh, oh no. Don't do this, Drake. Like, I don't even like you like that. But I'm even saying like, bro, stop. Just don't do that. But it's, it's just the. And inauthenticity, so like a lot of dudes will rap about struggle and everything.

59:03Brent: Like, oh, you know, we come up from the hood, we do this, we do that. And then you start doing movies and you start making music that appease more the masses, the pop crowd, the crossover, the pill, you know, because the EPMD made a song called The Crossover, kind of like poking fun at like, oh, the crossover joint, because it had the little R&B sample in the beginning and all that.

59:20Brent: And during the hook and then the actual beat would be like the grimy Erick Sermon beats and everything. But that was a big no no. But, you know, something happened along the way, and then everybody just got into all that. I like to, it's pretty much around, I would say, around the shiny suit era rap, era rap, when Mase and all them with the puffy shiny suits and everything and the bling bling and all that kind of thing just kind of took a turn there.

59:43Brent: It's to where now it's just like nobody cares about what everything like, everybody can sound the same. We all just want to make money. The lyricism. Ain't what it used to be. It's underground now. You're not gonna hear it on the radio You're gonna hear the Drakes on the radio, the Sexyy Reds and all those people out there just making money Which i'm like, hey get the money.

60:01Brent: I guess if that's what you want to do But it's hard to label you as true hip hop when you do that type of stuff Yeah and back in the day like I said Certain movies people would be doing like you would see that and you just like what the fuck is he doing, bro Like yeah, I think one of the biggest ones And as hard as I know a lot of people now don't even realize they think of him as a rapper Even though I heard he has a new song out but Will Smith. You Yeah.

60:23Brent: Did that movie that was it called? Uh, what the fuck is that movie called? The Six Degrees of Separation, whatever the hell that was.

60:28KT: Yeah,

60:30Brent: man. Yes.

60:31KT: Was he performed at the BET awards and can we just make it clear? No one cared. At least, at least, you know, the, the, the, the feeble little light packs cared, but no one cared that the Oscar thing, like no one cared.

60:46Brent: No, it was that, that, that passed. I wouldn't like

60:48KT: your cancel burn. It's like, no, he's not. He's fine.

60:52Brent: He's he's fine. I even thought that at the time, even when it happened, they're all like this big outroar and are out crying. They're like, oh, he's going to lose his career. I'm like, no, the fuck he's not. He's way too ingrained in this. And of course, the conspiracy theorists came out and said, Oh, he was instructed to do that is like his embarrassment. Thing that people do. And I mean, all that type of stuff that I already get that deep into. That's a P

61:14KT: you really get into rabbit holes. Hey,

61:16Brent: exactly. Oh, no tangents. That's homie hustle all day. This is what we do. But yeah, no, but Will Smith, when he did that movie, I remember they're reading and hearing about songs. And I've talked to people like that was around back then. They were just like, yeah, people were like, what the fuck are you doing, bro? Like, what is this, bro? And then of course, then what'd he do? And he did Independence Day and all that after that. And it's like, well, shut the hell up now. He's a movie star. So he's the

61:36KT: blockbuster guy.

61:38Brent: Exactly. But that's the thing. But even when he was doing those movies, in my opinion, it's just, it's just Will Smith. It's the same guy from the Fresh Prince. He's not really doing anything different because it wasn't like he was a gangster rapper or street rapper.

61:50Brent: And then he started, you know, doing these family friendly, you know, white appeasing roles. It's like, no, that's just him. He just Will Smith. And I think that's how he pulled it off. And that's why so many other people don't. And same thing with Ice-T. Like people always make fun of him because he plowed, man, you did a song called Cop Killer.

62:07Brent: And now you on SVU playing a cop and all that. But even though he's playing a cop, it's, I can't see nothing but Ice-T. That's Ice-T. Yeah. The way he talked and the way he moved. It's just him. Like he just, he plays one role and it's his self. And I love it. That's why we do all these Ice-T movies. I'm saying you just have to be you.

62:23Brent: If you were you, there's the best thing you can always be in life. Kids is you. If you're listening to children, don't be nobody else. Don't imitate. Don't front. Don't flake. Don't perpetrate. Just be you. That's all you got to do. Bars. I'm saying

62:38KT: like you don't need to put on if you're about it. Like that's the main thing.

62:42KT: And that's something that I love so much about Kendrick Lamar. And I, you know, I don't want to repeat myself too much of what I said, um, in the other one, but yeah, like he, like a lot of, like, I think, uh, Section.80 was a lot of fun because it was, uh, you're a rose in a concrete world. Like he was like, he was rapping through what he was going through and then good kid, m.A.A.d city was more of a cinematic sort of experience, but he never tried to front that that's what he was about, but he was surrounded with, yeah.

63:14KT: Yeah. Right. And I think people tapped into that. Um, you know, even me being a brown gal in Australia, but I,

63:21Brent: I don't know

63:22KT: how I, it must've been Twitter because I was very deep in Twitter. Like I have a Twitter account from 2009. Yeah. Um, but I don't, I've never really cared about legacy, but there was, there was a time where someone in the UK hacked my Twitter and I was like, Oh my goodness, that's all I have to offer to this world.

63:41KT: It's like, I need to, I need to change my password, but I think that's where I came across, um, Kendrick Lamar. This is a little episode back in the day with Ustream. I don't know if you remember Ustream, but like Mario, Sammie, shout out. See, I'm an R&B girly as well. Hey, there you go. Um, also Chris Brown, like they would Ustream, like they would go live and stream. Um, it was during that time I used to tweet from an API on my PSP.

64:04Brent: Oh, there you go man. That was the good old days. PSP chat rooms and everything. I remember those days.

64:10KT: Absolutely. So that was a bit further than 2009, but my point is like, I heard Section.80 when Section.80 came out, which is wild. Um, but I think that's because you resonate with the real, right? You don't need, you don't need the experience to be yours. Because the people that need the experience to be theirs, they're the ones that like Avatar. Like, you don't need to, you don't need to put on another skin to appreciate, like, the sort of universal themes and also the very specific struggles that people go through.

64:41KT: And I don't think Drake ever cared to have that. But I would also say, maybe not us in the room, maybe none of us in the room. Um, But it kind of is a thing about audience as well, because I feel like the Drake and the Drake's of the world will always, if you think about the like commercialization of music in general, there was always going to be a figurehead, so to say.

65:09KT: Um, and I know you were saying like, you know, like we don't, like, we're not listening. We don't care, like all of that sort of stuff. But I would also say that like, it's, it's like, it's unfortunate, but it looks like the ownership doesn't belong to black culture anymore. The ownership is whoever's got the highest dollar.

65:30KT: And maybe that's also, that's always where it was, but it was people that were willing to sacrifice. Even their own parts of their own identity or the identities that they would pluck from like Atlanta or the UK or, you know, whatever. It's hot. Exactly.

65:47Brent: No, it is unfortunate. Realistic truth is what I've been. Me and PJ have been lamenting that for years where it's You know, there's always the people say, you know, we don't want, there shouldn't be any gatekeepers. It should be everybody can do anything, but it always seems to be like that with black stuff, you know, black people shouldn't have gatekeepers. You should allow anybody to be in there, but then let us try and do anything else outside our realm.

66:09Brent: And it's like, Oh, don't you go, you go be a rapper. You know, that's why it is kind of cool to see all these cats. Doing country music now, I've noticed. Shaboozey Yes, yeah, I do. Yeah, he actually did a remake of Tipsy by J. Kwon which is fucking hilarious, but it actually didn't sound bad either. But that's what I mean, you know, I mean, if we want to be real about it, folks, Black folks created country music too, but you know, that's me.

66:30KT: Yeah, whoever's ready for the conversation, tap it.

66:35Brent: Exactly, you know, fucking fuck with your boy. I'll talk about it all day. But it's things like that, or even Beyoncé with her Cowboy Carter, cause they were so pissed when she did that. It's like, it's

66:44KT: like we've been through Lil Nas X and you're doing this again.

66:48Brent: I forgot about the homie, but yeah, even him. Yeah. When that happened, like. Everybody wants to be us to be accepting of everybody, let everybody in, but they don't want to let us in. So I'm, I'm very much of the mindset like, no, fuck that. We need some gatekeepers. We need a filter out here in the streets because it, it, one of the things about the current day hip hop I don't like is that it just seems like anybody can do it.

67:09Brent: And so that lets any random dude come out and try and make a song. And so you get all these little SoundCloud dudes and anything making this music. But then if you catch the right little time in trend on TikTok, they make it work. Yeah. And it's like, if you getting paid for it, I guess I can't be mad about it because apparently there's an audience for you out there, but at the same time as a hip hop fan.

67:28Brent: It's just part of your soul dies every time you see that shit. Why did it have to

67:32KT: be something that was so rooted? Like, why couldn't you make something else? That you wanted to exploit and bastardize,

67:40Brent: right? And even to the same thing, it's like, even outside of music, the black folks are just always, there's a large portion of us out there, whether they know it or not. that are so wanting to be accepted by the white folks or anybody else that they just let anybody in. It's like the, the, the thing about, you know, Oh, this person's invited to the cookout, this person. I'm like, if, I mean, if everybody's invited to the cookout, like what's the point of even saying that anymore? Cause y'all say that shit about everybody.

68:05KT: Yeah,

68:06Brent: and then when y'all invite somebody to the cookout quote unquote and then they do they turn and they do something that's against us Then all of a sudden y'all act surprised It's like well, if you let if you leave your front door open and let anybody walk into your house There's a chance somebody gonna fuck you shit up and y'all let anybody come in the crib and that's what the fuck happens There's no there's no gatekeeper.

68:24Brent: There's no filter process. There's no vetting process. Y'all just thinking. Oh, everybody can come in and have fun And then later on, people will complain about, Oh, well, I mean, hell, even with the Drake's of the world, you're going to complain about, Oh man, he fucked up hip hop. He did this. He did that. I'm like, well, yeah, y'all was bumping that shit and supporting that shit. Even though at the same time, people have been saying this stuff about him for about a decade now.

68:43KT: Yeah.

68:44Brent: And they still buy, they still bought the

68:47KT: ticket. You supported, you streamed it,

68:50Brent: you did all that. And then you sit around and complain. It's like, you can't complain about that. If you left that door open, like I said, somebody came in and stabbed your ass. Who are you going to be mad at other than yourself?

68:59KT: Yeah.

69:00Brent: But nobody wants to be mad at themselves. Nobody wants to look at it like that or take responsibility. So they look at everybody else. It's like, oh, well, you know, then you start getting into that weird shit, where then they start trying to blame that person afterwards. It's like, you can't be mad at that person now. I'm no one. When Miley Cyrus had her little stint where she wanted to hang out with all the black dudes. And cause you know, me and PJ have talked about this many times. Mike WiLL Made

69:21KT: it, right? She had that song. Exactly. Yeah.

69:23Brent: Where she had on the little Jordan cutoff shirt and all that sweat, sledge, hammers and shit. off. Exactly. But, and it's like they all, a lot, I won't say all of 'em, a lot of the little white pop chicks and dudes even, but a lot of times they do it. Camila Cabello. There you go. And that's, and I, I, I, I know she's

69:39KT: Latina, but they say she's a white Latina. So, but I'm gonna send one. Well, from what, from, from what I've

69:44Brent: heard, I, I can hear that because I've heard she said some shit that I, I don't know. I haven't heard it. I didn't see a video of it, but I've heard it many times now. It's

69:50KT: terrible stuff. Yeah,

69:51Brent: yeah, exactly. So it's like she gets no play around here, but they all seem to do that. Like I was, who would I say? Like, yeah, her, she was. Hey, what was her name? Hannah Montana. What's her fucking name? I forgot her name that quick. Miley

70:02KT: Cyrus.

70:02Brent: She put out her music and, you know, she kind of, you know, on a little downturn, it's like, oh, what do we do when we want to get popular again? We go fuck with the black dudes. We change our image. When we want to be considered bad girls, we want to break our good girl image. What do they do? They go fuck with the brothers.

70:16Brent: Yeah. And then again, like I said, the brothers are so open and letting anybody do our shit. That they come in there. And then she had her little moment where she's like fingering herself on the MTV thing with the foam thing and she's shaking. With the little ass she got on the stage and everything. Just trying to

70:32KT: try to find it. That's why she's shaking it back around. As we say on the Home Video

70:36Brent: Hustle, she has ass at all. And that means no ass at all. But she got no, I can't even say it without laughing. But no, I ain't gonna do it like that. But right now, maybe later. But no, just because I want to keep my point going. She did all that.

70:50Brent: And then when it finally came time, when she felt like, you know, the album came out and she sold some units and she kept doing it for a little while more, sold some more units. And then when it starts to go down a little bit, she

70:59KT: got her encrusted grill,

71:01Brent: got grills and everything, doing all the stereotypes. Basically, like people don't realize how stereotypical the things they do are when they do things like that. It's like, it's like a

71:10KT: prepackaged template, right? Here's your rapper that's willing to collab with you. Here's the producer that's willing to collab with you. Here's the clothes you should be wearing. And it also becomes like a safe, um, like a safe option for little white girls, which is like, I think like the biggest market for music as well. So it becomes like. The safe option, right?

71:34Brent: Mm hmm. And that's what happened when she, when she was basically, when she was done with us, wiped her hands, what did she do? She got a whole little magazine spread where she's like, standing in a little flower bed with her little outfit on, smiling and shit, and going back to country music. It's like they, they come in, they use our shit, they steal our shit, then they're done with our shit, they go back to their shit. And then the cycle continues, you know,

71:56KT: I actually, um, scrolled Twitter, but it went away. It's his name, Lord Jamar Jabbar.

72:01Brent: Yes. From Brand Nubian, Lord Jamar.

72:03KT: Yeah. Um, so there was, there was a clip that was circulating around the time of DJ Vlad trying to explode, expose the professor from Princeton, which if you want to talk about it, we can talk about it. But I remember that clip because well, like it's literally talking about the Vlad's right now.

72:22KT: Oh yeah, no. But there was that clip when he was on DJ Vlad and DJ Vlad's like, well, you know, what happened? Yeah, well, you can, I feel like you're going to do it better than, than I could ever do it. If you want.

72:35Brent: I don't remember the exact verbiage, but he was DJ Vlad was trying to defend it and talk about, well, this person didn't do this. And this person didn't know, but he basically explained everything that Post Malone did in his career. Yeah. And Lord Jamar pointed out like, motherfucker, you just described Post Malone. Like everything you just said is everything that he did. And DJ Vlad couldn't, he was like, damn, you're right. Like, there was no defense to it because that's another person. I've never really listened to him before. But he just popped up on

72:58KT: YouTube. Like everywhere his like interviews will just come up. And like there were tweets under that video saying like, you know, you fucked up when a black person is just nodding and waiting for you to stop talking.

73:10Brent: And that's real shit. That's like even going back to when I was a kid and you know, you try and lie to your mom about, you know, that report card and she just sent him like, Mm hmm. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Are you telling me your little

73:19KT: story? Exactly.

73:20Brent: They whip that shit out already. They say, oh shit, your parents got to sign it. Uh oh, didn't know that got sent in the mail. But yeah, no, that's real.

73:26KT: Yeah. I honestly,

73:28Brent: I'm not even gonna front. I used to, I used to watch Vlad all the time. I mean, every day he dropped a video because at the time that was, he was the only dude really doing other than like Nardwuar, but that's another white dude too. Yeah. And so eventually, like, you start to see things like he did when one of my pet peeves in life towards me is when somebody asked you a question, you try and answer and then they start talking again.

73:51Brent: Like, my fucking manager at work does it all the goddamn time. He'd be like, oh, so what's up with this machine? I'm like, oh, I'm doing this. He's like, oh, I'm like, you shut the fuck up. I'll tell you what I'm about to say, like, shut up. And he does that to his guests all the time. And that's one of the reasons why I always love when Lord Jamar was there.

74:06Brent: Lord Jamar would cut his ass right back off. And so that was already like that started to annoy me even before all the other stuff happened But then when people started pointing things out and I really got you know Aware of it and looking to see what's going on. It's like yeah, he's kind of a fuck dude, bro I don't like this shit that much and that's why I like shout out to like Art of Dialogue It's like a black dude that pretty much does the exact same thing as DJ Vlad, but he gets pretty much, it's not, it's funny because Lord Jamar was just on there today.

74:30KT: I was just about to reference that clip. Yeah. You, you lined it up. You explained the clip, the one about Drake. Did you see that one?

74:37Brent: I didn't see that one. No,

74:39KT: it was essentially saying that he has a problem with Drake saying the N word. Because he propositions himself around white people, so he's going in, he's doing his raps and then he's going back and he's like, it's interesting because he talks about it on layers and he's like, he, he, he, can you believe these people?

75:01KT: Let me say the N word like the whole time. Um, and he just gets that feeling. from Drake. And I think it's so it's important. And I think it's great that people are talking and people so respected. I like talking about it because that's succinctly what it is because Kendrick, whether people were making jokes or not, like Kendrick had dressed the Donnas as a black man,

75:22Brent: the

75:23KT: Graham. So it was never about. Race. Um, black Twitter is always very interesting. Black American Twitter is always very interesting when it comes to like the one drop rule. Um, and like, they'll defend Logic, but not Tyler. But that's not, that's not for me to play in.

75:40Brent: Speaking of Logic, actually, now that you brought him up. Did you see

75:43KT: that clip?

75:44Brent: I actually, I, yeah, I actually do. I did like Logic for a while. Like there was a period where to keep up with what was going on, I would go to DatPiff.com or LiveMixtapes. Oh yeah. I don't know if you're familiar. Okay. Yeah. And I would just see what, what is in the top 10 and I would download all of the top 10 and sometimes I would catch on to who was gonna blow up and sometimes I wouldn't.

76:03Brent: Like, I, I remember to this day, uh, Chance the Rapper, his Acid Rap album. That was on there and I listened to it. I'm like, this shit's terrible. I hate this record. Get the fuck out my deck. And he ended up blowing up. I don't really know enough about him honestly. I don't either. I

76:19KT: just see tweets. Like I, I don't, I don't really listen to his stuff.

76:22Brent: And you know, the thing about, I didn't, I couldn't really get into it. His voice annoyed me. I didn't like the sound of his voice. Yeah. So that was why I couldn't really get into it. But Logic was somebody that I found in that manner. And I loved his first little three mixtapes on there. I'm listening to him all the time.

76:39Brent: Album came out, loved it. Listen to it all the time. Second, I loved it. A lot of just like getting high, chilling out. His fucking mixed stuff was on every album. Two girls, just a lot of just laid back. Not really much of substance type thing. Just kind of like just chill music. It's background type shit.

76:59Brent: Yeah, just vibe music. And I liked that at the time. And I say his three mixtapes in the first two albums. I loved them, but then some happened turn came and that shit just didn't sound the same. It started sounding a little bit more corny here and I couldn't get into it as much. And now they gave maybe a song or two and not a whole album anymore.

77:19Brent: And one of the things that they kind of turned is cause You know, he's mixed. If anybody listening didn't know that he's biracial and he talks about it on every fucking song. Because I was

77:28KT: like, how would people not know?

77:31Brent: It's like, bro, we get it, man. Like it's a

77:34KT: struggle. Like, I think he wants to, I think that's part of the problem that, um, like the conversation is like, I'm sure it's difficult for you, man. Yeah. But if we're going to talk about like the hierarchies, like within black people and like, I don't know, it just comes off very, cause it's legitimate, but it comes off very whiny. Like at some point, exactly. He just sounded very whiny and I didn't really know him. That's why I was asking what he was rapping about on those mixtapes.

78:03KT: I think, I can't remember the award show. It might've been the VMAs where they had like the 1-800, like. Um,

78:10Brent: yeah,

78:11KT: so there was that and then like, all I remember aside from the new clip now, but I will just have on loop Cartman, like Cartman doing that, like, that's all I would remember about Logic and him complaining. Um, but again, I'm, uh, you know, that's not, that's not for me to comment on, but I'm just like, sir.

78:31Brent: No, it got played out and it's like it started to get corny after a while because it's like we we get it man It's a point where you gotta just accept it and move on with it And then it also doesn't help the fact that he's more white passing like if you didn't know that That's probably why he's always talking about it. Because if you looked at you wouldn't I didn't think he was

78:48KT: Yeah, you need to he needs to remind people

78:51Brent: And that's what I think is the big problem It's like we get it man Like people that listen to you know, and if it just happened to come up in conversation with people You don't know sure you can be like, oh, yeah, sure But it's like, we get it, man.

79:02Brent: You gotta talk about something else. And it's even funny with the 800 numbers song. I don't know if you listened to the album or not, but I'm pretty sure, I don't know if it's the same song or it's a different one, but there's a song on that same album with Juicy J from Three 6 Mafia, and there's a segment in one of their songs where he's just saying Kill yourself, nigga, kill yourself. On the same album,

79:22KT: no, I

79:24Brent: don't know how that was allowed to pass, but even if he was a joke, like, no, I would hope it would

79:33KT: happen before the 1-800 track, not after the 1-800 track.

79:40Brent: Oh, yeah, no, I don't know what I don't remember what the album is, but it's because I listened to it one time, but I'm pretty I remember here. I was like, what the fuck is he doing? Like, how could you put that on the same record? So, again, it just made it seem disingenuous at that point. It's like now I'm not sure if you even meant anything in that song, because if you just had Juicy, I mean, I mean, even if he said in the studio, he could either edit or black Juicy.

80:01Brent: Come on, dog. redo this line or something like, you know, but it's like, it just goes into that inauthenticity I was talking about before, because now it doesn't feel like you really meant that to me. And so it makes that song pointless now.

80:15KT: Yeah, no, absolutely. Um, 6:16 in LA was so interesting because the timings are weird, but it got to a point where I realized, okay, I think we're going to have a track dropping.

80:28KT: Um, 6:16 in LA was, uh, I think it came out of nowhere. Like, I don't think anyone had anticipated it. I was like tapped into DJ Hed, Punch from TDE. Like I kept following, I don't know who Dalit is, but sometimes people are like, don't listen to what he's tweeting, but I would be like following on the timeline to see what tracks are like coming out.

80:49KT: But that one came out of nowhere. It was our Friday at 1 AM. Um, and I just happened to be awake and I just happened to be on Instagram and it like, Cause in what world, right? Usually it's like a YouTube video telling you that it's out. Usually it's people losing their shit on the Twitter timeline. That's usually where, yeah. Right.

81:15KT: Um, but yeah, this was on Instagram and I was like, I didn't realize what it was, but it's Kendrick Lamar. Like there were people, you know, that don't upload. a lot. So I was like, this is something, this is not just, you know, and I was like, I'd started the, and then it made that real weird. I think people are still trying to figure out what that noise is, whether it's like a breathing machine or some shit.

81:36KT: Oh yeah. Yeah. And I was like, Oh, and then it got to a point where I'm like, Oh, mother, mother, I was like, Oh my God, I just made the connection because I was like, this is a track. Like, I thought it might've been like a snippet. Um, and it was just the glove at the time. Like 6:16 in LA was just the glove at the time.

81:58KT: And I was like, okay. And then, you know what? And Brent, I'm sure you understand this as well. I had to make a decision about my relationship. And that

82:08Brent: was up

82:10KT: until that point, we had been track for track together. And let's just say I was, I was the dedicated ride or die loyal that waited all day to listen to Euphoria together. Um, so I had a moment of weakness and I was like, It's my man's Kendrick. It's my other man's.

82:27Brent: Sorry. And

82:27KT: like I was literally like laying in bed and noticed he was right there and I'm like, sorry, listening. And I was like, what the fuck is going on off-White Sunseeker at the marina? And I was like, oh man. I was like, oh no.

82:42KT: And then like the way he kept rapping on like, um. I'm sorry, I live a boring life. I love peace, but I'm war ready if the world want to see you bleed. And I was like, yes, I'm in therapy, but I will bleed you motherfuckers. I was like, this is for me. Thank you, Kendrick, for sending me a non DM at 1 AM on a Friday.

83:03KT: Oh man. And I was like, This, this is something else. Like the rap beef was the rap beef. I was like, this is something else. Euphoria was an artistic cinematic warning shot. 6:16 in LA was him getting right with himself and with God before he came for him, like in, in every sense of the word. But where were you at 6:16 in LA? Cause I don't know if we, we might not have coordinated at the time, but where were you when that came out?

83:37Brent: Honestly, to be real, I ain't gonna front about it. When that song came out, I didn't love it. I mean, I really didn't like it. It was kind of like it came and went for me. Like even like, I don't think I've listened to that song really since it came out, I was doing a couple of times and I watched it with the lyric video, but I did, I don't know. I didn't vibe with that one as much. I didn't dislike it or anything. It just, I think I loved Euphoria so much

84:01KT: that

84:02Brent: was going to be hard to top down. Like you need to,

84:04KT: you need to like burn the tape, the cassette, like before you go to the next one. Yeah. Yeah.

84:10Brent: It was kind of like when you watching a long running episode of a TV series and like the one episode is like, it's, it's like, Oh shit, shit done popped off. And you get that episode in between the finale where it's like, you know, the setup, like you said, it's like, we getting ready for the truth is like, they're Not Like Us or something. It's like, we just getting ready to kill your ass. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like, I was done with that little, I'm like, no, no, let's just go right to it.

84:31Brent: I'm, I'm in, I'm impatient. Yeah. All right. Meet the Grahams. Let's start out. Cause when Meet the Grahams came out, I love that record.

84:38KT: Oh, really? Love

84:39Brent: that record. I love that. I feel

84:41KT: like 6:16 in LA is like, um, it's like that scene in those, uh, like gangster movies or those mob mafia movies where they go to church to like get right before before they just go and like light up motherfuckers like this is that's what 6:16 in LA it's interesting that um you didn't latch on to it because I I was like, okay, if it was on, I didn't even know what DSP is. I still don't know what it is. I'm assuming it's like Apple and Spotify, but people keep saying Oh, digital

85:12Brent: digital stream provider or something like that. Yeah. I think that's what it means.

85:16KT: Um, yeah. Cause it's not on there. Cause I created like a playlist. I feel like if 6:16 in LA was on there, I would listen to it a lot. And let's go to Meet the Grahams. It's funny because, um, so the May, my May listens were fucking wild in regards to Not Like Us. It was like 180 plays. Um, and the 4th June. Like, Not Like Us, I think was still higher, but like Euphoria was similar, but because I, I got to a point where I'm starting to like, listen to albums.

85:47KT: Now I was never an album gal. I usually would just pick the songs I like, and let's be clear. It's not always just the commercial hits, but I do. Like I do have the tracks that I like listening to DAMN. was my most listened to album that month, but I think, but it's because I kept replaying ELEMENT., you know,

86:08Brent: make it

86:08KT: look sexy and that's just like, that's my shit, right? Um, anyway, so. I was listening to it in the playlist like that. Sometimes I will like skip, but I would listen to them as a set, you know, when you're watching like a franchise or, you know, uh, like The Godfather trilogy, like I was listening to it as a whole piece. And even To Pimp a Butterfly was also very interesting because King Kunta, like, Alright, I would love those tracks, but like, they were so seamlessly embedded into the whole tapestry of the album.

86:43KT: So it works both ways. Get you a rapper that can do both, friends and lovers.

86:48Brent: Damn right.

86:50KT: But that, it was funny because I was showing Oti my stats for June. And I think I had like, Meet the Grahams 41 times. Which

86:59Brent: doesn't

87:00KT: seem like a lot, but if there's only 30 Days in the

87:03Brent: month.

87:04KT: Um, like, I don't know if you prob do you watch Succession?

87:08Brent: No, I'm not seeing you. Oh.

87:10KT: But like there's this meme of like, what psychopath listens to Meet the Grahams. And it is like the character, like one of the main characters, like putting his headphones in. It's like, Meet the Grahams playing. And I said to Oti, this is me. I guess I'm that, I'm that psycho. Um, but let's talk about Meet the Grahams.

87:26KT: Oh, where were we? No, because it was after Family Matters, depending on which camp you talk to. It was 30 to 52 minutes. Yeah, but it was either way. It was under an hour. However, you want to slice it, right?

87:40Brent: Yep.

87:40KT: It was so interesting because, um, I, and I do this with films as well, like I'm that annoying person that like things or revelations, like I say it and I need to feel it in the moment that whole Family Matters.

87:56KT: Him saying the Money Trees thing was such a fucking fast and so annoying because even if you didn't know that Kendrick was putting on, um, If you, even if you didn't know that Kendrick is still in his community, the Mandem is, is like hopping into different states. So who are you to even say that first of all?

88:17KT: So there was that, and then there was a slave line. Cause I never listened to, um, yeah, I never listened to Drake to know that he already, I think he said American slaves, which is wild. Um, so I never, I didn't know he did that in like another track, um, and that's what the Drake fans were like, well, Drake's on you because he already said it and it's like, no, the joke is still on him.

88:38KT: But it was so funny because again, like Oti was tapped in, he wanted to, enjoyed the sport, the game, the rap beef, like he was eating every single morsel. He was bumping. And he was like, he was ready to like kick the TV. He was having a good time listening to Family Matters. And I was like, nah, I was like, no, can you imagine like in that moment?

89:04KT: And I'm like being this buzzkill and he's like living his best life. And I'm like, nah, this Even if the lines sound and I'm doing air quotes, like even if the lines sound good, you're not the one to deliver it. My guy, like it just like, you know what I mean? Like that inauthenticity that you were talking about.

89:22KT: So I think we might've been on. We tried to listen to it a second time because obviously it had the lyrics there. So it was easier to like, figure out what was going on. And then we got the little, it's just like Kendrick's drunk. And it's like, so

89:38Brent: yeah,

89:40KT: and that's how, um, we got to Meet the Grahams. But where were you, where were you when Meet the Grahams came out?

89:47Brent: I was legit sitting on the couch. I think I had just finished watching the movie for HVH the next day. Uh, and then like it was almost right there. It ended. I was looking at, you know, doing my usual IMDb thing And I just happened to get a uh message on Twitter or somebody's like Another song just came out and I was like ain't no fucking way.

90:05Brent: He just put the other joint out. Didn't he? Didn't I looked at him? I was like, oh shit He really just did that in less than an hour And then after that legitimately after that song ended I called PJ immediately And me and PJ basically had a podcast for two hours talking about that shit over the phone. Nobody else got to hear it. That was just for us.

90:25KT: I was going to say, I was like, I didn't see that.

90:29Brent: Oh, no, we talked, we got a little bit into it in our Black Caesar episode when he was there. But no, that we, we was talking about everything on the phone, even down to the J Cole stuff that happened. But no, I was right there on the couch.

90:40Brent: Just finished the movie. And the Family Matters thing, I had to watch the Family Matters video. I think I've only watched and heard it one time because after the Kendrick song came out that again, Thanos snap, don't care anymore about that. And so I was, yeah, I just, I think I listened to it twice even. But, oh yeah, I listened to it and then there were a reaction videos that came out,

91:01KT: I watched a bunch

91:02Brent: of those.

91:03KT: So what a time, what a time for like Black content creators and those that like react to videos. Brent, I would like to watch you reacting one day.

91:14Brent: I know, I mean, it's funny, me and PJ talked about it back in the day, but we just never got around to it. So that would be, I would wish I could. You get my brother, my brother would be a fun person.

91:23Brent: My brother, like reacts very wildly to stuff. Exactly. He'll be like, that shit sucked. Like, right. But I do want to get into stuff like that one day. But yeah, Meet the Grahams. I listen to it now while I listen to it again, because that's the thing is I don't, I follow the music, but I don't follow like the lives and all the stuff going on. So there's a lot of stuff I didn't catch on to at first. I think I got the most of it from watching Anthony Fantano. If you

91:52KT: love Anthony Fantano,

91:54Brent: he did a live reaction to it. And he was like saying stuff. I didn't catch on to because I just didn't know. And so then I had to listen to it again. I was catching on to it.

92:02Brent: I was like, Oh shit. Like, yeah. And of course, like the, everybody talks about like the daughter part and all that. Oh, you got another kid. It was like the part where he started addressing his mom. I was dying. I was like, Oh, that's when I was like, Oh, this is crazy now. Yeah. Yeah, normally you want you, it's just the unfortunate truth, but growing up in the nineties, the quickest way to get into fights, you say something about somebody mama, or you call somebody gay, those are two things that are instantly going to start a fight.

92:31Brent: You can say I'm broke. You can call me ugly. You can say my clothes is trash. You say one of those two things and they will start swinging on you.

92:37KT: Yeah,

92:38Brent: instantly. So just knowing that and then hearing him address his mom and then people pointed out, you know, a lot of times you'd be like, Hey, I don't know. It's like, it's Miss KT. It's not you don't go up to his mind. Hey, KT. Hey, Miss KT address. Accordingly, yes, exactly. Just say, Hey, Sandra in there. I know people that was like, Oh, just saw that. Yeah. It's like looking

92:59KT: your parent directly in the eye. That's wild. Or like another adult as a kid directly in the eye.

93:05Brent: Or like you said, walking into somebody's house and not like speaking, saying hi type things.

93:09KT: Or just opening the fridge.

93:11Brent: That, man, I done seen a couple people get smacked doing that.

93:15KT: Yeah.

93:17Brent: But yeah, that was one of the biggest things for me. Exactly. Who the fuck are you? But I, but no, I love that record. Like that's still like Euphoria better, but I love that. Like, and I'm pretty sure The Alchemist produced that beat and like, listening to that, it was like an audio horror film almost in a way. Yeah. Cause like there was a video, I wish there was a video for that. I know he probably wouldn't make a video for that, but that's the one I wanted a video for. Because I can only imagine.

93:44Brent: I can only imagine. I want a Euphoria

93:47KT: one. I want a Euphoria one too.

93:49Brent: He really should make one.

93:50KT: Because we did The Wiz like, and I just watched The Wiz. So like, even if it was like a Wiz, like a themed music video, I think that would be quite, um, interesting. But yeah, in regards to Meet the Grahams. Like, I think I'm overly, like, I'm overly in love with Kendrick Lamar and that's not a secret deep into my 2012, 2013 tweets.

94:14KT: Thank you very much. Um, but I just, I love how it really is. And it was interesting because when we were listening to Meet the Grahams the first time, I actually got really emotional, like, and there's a line. Yeah. There was a line when he, cause it was talking to the baby girl, like the, the child we don't know about.

94:32KT: And he mentioned Farzan and he said, That's why I made Mr. Morale for little babies like you that don't. And I was like, man, you know, like maybe I'm too, like, maybe I'm too overly like in love with Kendrick Lamar, but I believed every word he said. Oh yeah.

94:50Brent: I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, hell, Pusha T did it to him once already. So hell, you can't put nothing past him. He very well could. I mean, it ain't came out this time, like it did last time, but I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah, it's just a whole thing going around where it's about like the the Drake thing was going to happen because Supposedly the kid was going to be part of like something.

95:10Brent: I think it was Nike some kind of like Marketing thing that was going some rollout that was going to happen where that's how he was going to announce He had his kid, but then people were like, you know, it's not surprising that he would use his kid as a marketing ploy

95:22KT: Yeah, but

95:23Brent: then Pusha T, you know, just accelerated that and that's the way i'm I tell people i'm telling your boy everybody loves talking about the the Meek Mill thing, you know, Back to Back. He won that and then emboldened him to, you know, keep on going.

95:35Brent: But in terms of actual lyrical rappers, he's 0 and 2. You got you can beef with the Meek Mills of the world and all and you'll be fine, most likely, because he did a bunch of stuff that didn't make him look very bad. And funny enough, The Game also dissed Meek Mill, which didn't help him at all. But it's just like

95:51KT: they also just he's not going to know if you heard that.

95:54Brent: I did hear that. And I heard Ross's response to and they're both equally like I just. Again, in one ear out the other. I don't

96:03KT: care,

96:04Brent: but it's not

96:05KT: canon. It's filler.

96:06Brent: Yeah, exactly. Like that's the legends.

96:09KT: I like Champagne Moments, though.

96:12Brent: He had his moments. I listened to it once. Yeah.

96:16KT: Yeah, but I didn't

96:17Brent: compare.

96:19KT: Oh, absolutely. But yeah, Meet the Grahams was, I think it becomes a, it's not necessarily a cornerstone, but I think it got to the point where it's like, This isn't her shit. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is about family. Like, this is about raising family. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that's part of the problem with like, we don't need to talk about The Heart Part 6 too much, but that was him trying to do that.

96:45KT: And it's like, bro, you got your own demons. You got your own skeletons. Like you've got your own orgy layer of whatever the fuck you've got going on. You shouldn't be trying to direct any sort of attention. To you, who said I like Millie Bobby Brown? You,

97:02Brent: nobody mentioned her. It's funny too, because I felt like I know people that when Meet the Grahams came out. They were like, yo, Kendrick might've took it too far. You know, he talked about his mom. And if he has a girl, you talk about his kids and everything, but I felt no sympathy or nor remorse. Cause for one, I'm all for shit talking.

97:20Brent: I'll talk shit to him all day. You don't talk about me and think I ain't gonna say nothing back to you. That's one, one. We do that all day. But then Kendrick also warned that motherfucking Euphoria. Keep it a know, keep it a little fade. You know, we have fun, Faye we can just talk shit about, but if you bring my family into it, shit gonna get bad for you out here. And then he brought his family into it and then Meet the Grahams. Drop instantly.

97:39KT: Exactly.

97:40Brent: And he already, he knew 'cause he knew he was gonna do that. Exactly. He planned all this out and knew. Exactly. 'cause your boy is so predictable. Do

97:48KT: you think OVO is working for him?

97:51Brent: For Kendrick?

97:52KT: I'm referencing the line, but do you think there's a leak?

97:55Brent: Honestly, I don't think there even needs to be. Like I said, I think your boy is just so predictable. We can just figure out what's going to happen next. We don't even need to know anything. I'm sure, you know, there's a lot of loose lips out there probably. You know, there's probably people in the squad that's just there for the money. They don't give a fuck about Drake.

98:10KT: Oh, absolutely.

98:11Brent: So I'm sure somebody might have said something, you know, word travels and it's like a little game of telephone. But at the same time, we all knew how this was going to play out. We knew what he was going to do. I don't need nobody to tell me nothing. Like he said, you're going to say, I know you're going to say something about my family, but I'm just warning you, you probably shouldn't. Yeah, and of course he did it anyway and then Meet the Grahams came out and fucked his ass up.

98:31KT: Yeah

98:33Brent: And I love that song

98:35KT: It's like when you're playing those video games and like they recommend that you should be at level 50 and you're like at level 20 and The boss with your little sticks and get mopped me back

98:52Brent: to the fireplace or whatever that thing is. Uh, but yeah, no, it was, it was bad, but I love Meet the Grahams cause I'm, I'm a petty grimy motherfucker like that too. Cause like, if I was ever a rapper, if I, anything I know about you, I'm using, I don't care. It's one of the reasons why Ice Cube is one of my, he is my favorite rapper. No Vaseline, like we going hard every, uh, every P I'm unloading clips on you every time we beef. I'm not taking it lightly. How many need to be multiple?

99:18KT: How many Meet the Grahams you got in stock, Brent

99:22Brent: a lot, because I don't care. It's one of the reasons why I don't even like getting in fights or anything. Cause it's like, I, it's one, it's one to a hundred. It's like zero to a hundred. There is no in between. Like if I get

99:35KT: started, I'm going to finish it type thing.

99:37Brent: Exactly. The line is on. Yeah. You want to be starting some, I got some for you. Cause I'm going to make sure cause I ain't got a lot of time for this shit.

99:44KT: Let's talk about The Pop Out. Um, it was very exciting to get the lead up to, I think we had a couple of weeks, maybe it was two and a half weeks that they did the announcement. That The Pop Out was going to happen. Um, and there was a lot of excitement. There was a lot of speculation about who was going to be invited, who was going to show up and that sort of thing. Did you have any sort of predictions, expectations or hopes for what The Pop Out could be?

100:13Brent: Not really a whole lot of expectations. I didn't know what he was going to do. I was just curious more. So who was going to be there with him? Cause the way it being labeled Ken & Friends. I'm like, okay, who the fuck is going to be there? I'm like, is it going to be just, you know, his close people as the TDE crew and everything? Or is he going to like bring in like, I don't know, like Snoop, Dre, which he did bring Dre, like Cube.

100:31Brent: Like, is it going to just be a huge ass West Coast celebration? Which it ended up being. But not quite to the extent that I expected it to be. But I liked, I enjoyed it. I actually, funny enough, I called off work that day. Not, not because of that, but I just so happened to have that day off work. And so I did get to watch it and I was hyped like Anita even tried to actually get tickets because it wasn't even that far from us.

100:53Brent: But she got in the queue I think not long after they posted them and already she was like 10,000th in the queue or some crazy ass number like that. So people flocked instantly to get there.

101:07KT: Yeah, well, there was, there was rumors of potentially like they would check your postcode and if your postcode wasn't within the area, they would refund tickets. And I just want to believe that's true, like, because it feels like very for the moment, like, I think a lot of people can enjoy it, but if you're not there and it's a celebration, right?

101:28Brent: Exactly. Like I would have liked to been there, but I wasn't going to wait in line for them tickets. How it's on TV. I watched it on Amazon and it was just in my opinion. The sound bar and the woofer were on and everything like we was in here getting hype, but now I did. Tim

101:45KT: Hinshaw is like the head of, uh, is it hip hop or something? Like he's a, he's an exec at. Amazon and he's from

101:53Brent: yeah, that's what somebody was saying. It's also do because everybody's like, how the fuck did he get an Amazon special? And then everybody's older is a dude from Compton. I was like, ah, okay, that makes sense.

102:02KT: Yeah. Which becomes like a more important conversation of because you even mentioned gate keeping, but I, because obviously it has a negative connotation, but I would even, I would even frame it as a recentering because if we ignore commercial stuff, it was always about black culture. So if it ever deviates from that, that's not gatekeeping. That's bringing it back to what it is,

102:27Brent: right? Exactly. It's bringing it back to what it should be, the essence. But the four elements of hip hop come back into play and all that good stuff. It's going to take a while. It's funny enough. It seems like lately there's more of a attempt to try and bring it back a little bit more.

102:42Brent: It's to the point where even a lot of the old school rappers are all now coming out with new tracks, even on albums, because a long time people would be like, All y'all old dudes are sitting around and complaining, why don't y'all put out some music and see what's happening. Now they're finally like, hey, you know what, let's fucking do that.

102:54Brent: LL Cool J got a new song that just came out today, I'm pretty sure. Rakim got an album coming out. You know, as all these people are starting to be like, you know, fuck it, let's just, let's do it. Like, people that wouldn't buy it, buy it. If they wanna stream it, stream it. But we gon do it, so there can be that alternative. So then it can't be like, Oh, y'all dudes ain't doing nothing. Hell, look at Nas. Nas is pretty much on like his second run. He's dead. He's so

103:15KT: good. So playable.

103:17Brent: Man, like that whole trilogy of albums and he had the Magic albums, like a lot of dudes are starting to be like, even Public Enemy had a comeback album a couple of years ago.

103:24Brent: I love that record. It's pretty much almost like a remix album, but I still highly enjoyed that joint. And even Cube had a couple years back had the Everythangs Corrupt album. So it's like, people are trying to, and even, uh, the Mount Westmore, where they had Cube, Snoop, E-40, and Too $hort. Like, everybody's just like, you know, let's just go do our thing. So it's like you have those options now, but for a while, it just felt like I'm just, it's nothing for me out there.

103:52KT: I think at the end of the day, like there's definitely professions where you're like, okay, like it's time to, you know, pass on the baton or the torch or that sort of thing. But at the end of the day, it's storytelling. So as long as you're living life, you've always got something. Exactly.

104:11Brent: There's room for, you know, the old cats cause everybody, cause that's the thing. And one of the reasons I tell people all the time, PJ even agree with me. I was shy, but there's a lot of younger cats in hip hop that will put out records. You know, Nas was young when he put out his record, but they had more of an older mentality. They had been through things. They had stuff to talk about.

104:30Brent: A lot of the rappers nowadays that are bigger, these little young kids that ain't really got shit to talk about. Yeah, so there's really nothing to resonate or connect with. That's probably my biggest issue with it. Like, I don't, I don't sit around and, you know, do drugs all day. I don't give a fuck about drinking all day.

104:44Brent: I'm not trying to have sex with every Instagram model I see in the world. That shit don't resonate with me. Yeah. But, you know, back in the day, like you see, Jack denies and everything, you know, The World Is Yours and all that type of stuff. You can connect with that. And I think that's one of the biggest things that kind of is like fucking up the hip hop game today is that it's just kids.

104:59Brent: I tell people all the time, it's like, it's Kidz Bop. It's what it sounds like to me. That's what all this is. It's a bunch of kids just talking about they're young and they, I mean, they don't know no better. They just young, dumb, and they want to have fun. You know, let's get high. Let's go have sex. Let's do this and that. And it's like, even though I was younger, I'm like, I'm still like, it's not me, man.

105:17KT: You don't connect with

105:17Brent: me.

105:18KT: But you know what's so interesting about that? And I don't, we don't need to go in our big age era bag, but like, it's so interesting because they talk about Gen Z being more, um, I wouldn't say liberal, maybe more progressive, like more willing to understand like social issues and, you know, tap into like global liberation and that sort of thing.

105:39KT: But then also, So musically, it doesn't connect that way because that's not even like socially, I'm not even talking about socially conscious rap. I'm just saying like, well, you're saying like the, the themes thematically, what was being covered then isn't being covered now, but that's not to say it's not happening now.

105:57KT: But the music isn't reflective of that, or maybe if we want to, if we want to, I guess, be generous, maybe it's an algorithm thing. Maybe there are, you know, kids out there that are spitting game, but we just don't, we don't catch that on the algorithm.

106:13Brent: It could be that, but I think a lot of it too, is that it's hard to say exactly that, you know, big business is pushing certain agendas and everything, but they are, I mean, there's a reason, like you said, why the Sexyy Reds and all that are popular right now, because that's the thing. I didn't say

106:29KT: that. I did. It's

106:33Brent: it's reasons, man. And, you know, because people be like, Oh, you know, you just against. Female hip hop. I'm like, I am not against female hip hop in the fucking slightest. But it's like the ones that are rapping about the stuff that we're talking about are the ones that get pushed, but then you got like Rapsody and all them that they're known, but they're not on stage doing anything.

106:53Brent: You know, they're not having interviews. A lot of places, their music isn't like on the top of the streaming pages and everything. They're putting the people that they want there, the stuff that they want to push and that sucks, man, because I mean, do you, I guess, I mean, like, if that's what you do, do you, but I'm just saying, like, you could tell, I'll never forget, I watched an interview where 2 Chainz was talking about, you know, they asked him about, cause 2 Chainz had been around for a while, his name used to be Tity Boi.

107:19Brent: Yeah, with Ludacris and all them, and he says something I'll never forget. He was like, you know, when I was doing the type of rap, like you're saying, you would rather hear people here, you know, doing, nobody was buying them records. I didn't get a lot of play, but then when I started doing, you know, all I want for my birthday is a big booty hoe. Now I'm selling records. Yeah. So it's just part of, you know, what gets pushed and then what.

107:40Brent: People have been conditioned to want to listen to. Mm-Hmm. Because a lot of the stuff like me, you probably would want to hear the Kendrick Lamars. 'cause I've heard this argument towards Kendrick Lamar is that, that shit's corny. That's boring. In what world? We don't wanna hear about that world. They are world, unfortunately. I, I hear it a lot.

107:57Brent: Like even growing up as a, you know, in high school and I was listening to the old school stuff, the classic stuff that people are like, you know, the, even, even like Sugarhill Gang, you know, the hip, the hop, the hip, the hip to the hip poppy adult stop.

108:08Brent: Like, oh, that's corny bro. That shit whack bro. But then they'll go and listen to the fucking Chicken Noodle Soup song. If you remember that. Yeah. And I'm like, you called my shit corn. And that's what you listening to. And that's kind of how I feel nowadays. When people say, you know, I used to the old school is corny, but then they'll play the Drake song, whatever current day Drake song is out.

108:28KT: U My Everything.

108:30Brent: Exactly. I'm like, you ain't got no right to call nothing corny, pimpin and like, it's, it's raps for all that. But that's what the kids are conditioned to hear, man. That's what they want for their TikTok videos. That's the trends and all that.

108:43KT: Well, kids, I tried. I tried. I tried too, man.

108:48Brent: I mean, I've tried on the podcast, me and PJ have like, we try and do, you know, the, the good and bad side of it all. It's like, yeah, that, but it's like, well, you know, kids and, you know, people are more about, you know, their mental health and they're trying to just have fun and do this. So that music reflect don't want to have fun, but at the same time.

109:06Brent: Like, there's got to be some type of balance. It can't be one way or the other, man. And then, like I said, when you're trying to ask a guy, especially having the arguments about like the Sexyy Reds and all that, you know, you're just going, you're going to hit a point where you get called sexist or something too. So it's like, I'm not trying to say that. I'm just saying, why is they, why are they the only ones that get pushed? Why don't the other ladies get pushed?

109:24KT: Yeah, I don't know if you watch Rap Shit, um, that unfortunately got cancelled.

109:29Brent: Yeah.

109:29KT: Yeah, but it was, it was interesting because, um, there's Shawna and Mia.

109:34KT: I'm pretty sure it's Shawna's character that tries to be that socially conscious, um, sort of rapper. And I think it was one of the early episodes, but she mentioned like the only like female rappers that are making it, that's all about popping pussy. You know what I mean? And I want to be able to rap about other stuff, not that, you know, but it's interesting because Issa Rae in a, um, interview and she didn't name the producer, but I think in other interviews she did.

110:00KT: So I don't want to speculate. Um, but she was essentially saying that was a male producer. Music producer, that whole rant that she had, cause I was saying to Oti, I was like, that's weird. I was like, for her to say that, but it was interesting for that to play, I guess, from a female point of view, like in a show that's also, um, about rap as well as like where the real is and what's commercial.

110:22KT: And I think it's interesting because first of all, no one really wants to have this conversation, but if people do want to have this conversation, it's so binary of, it's the industry. But also, which I, I would say as well, but like, I appreciate the nuance you're bringing because the audience drive that as well, because if people stop paying attention to that, and I will say mindless dribble, like, I'm not talking about all of it, but like some of it is a bit, you know,

110:50Brent: majority of it. I want

110:52KT: it. She's strictly Dickerley and I wanted you specifically, um,

110:58Brent: That's bars for somebody out there,

111:02KT: um, but like, if they kept producing shit that people weren't buying, and this is a market and this is an industry, then there would be a pivot. But because of the Miley Cyrus, even the Madonna's like, because that's a tried and true Formula, it is like we are to blame as the audience. And I, I mean, we, as you over there, I don't mean we as me, but we are to blame. We are to blame for that because yeah, it's a market at the end of the day.

111:34Brent: Yeah, if they, if they see if that's what's selling and they see that's what's selling, they're going to sell that shit. And that's what people want. And again, like with the argument, cause you know, I admittedly, I get tired of hearing the dudes talk about it too.

111:46Brent: Like, Oh yeah, no slinging dick and doing this too. That's played out too. Like it ain't even just the ladies and shit. Like I won't even front. Like I love Wet Ass Pussy, the Cardi B song and Megan. So I love this. I don't care. Of course. Cause they've sampled a booty bass song to that love. But even on that front growing up as a kid, I shouldn't have been listening to it, but that's what my mom listened to.

112:04Brent: Miami booty bass music, 2 Live Crew, 69 Boyz, 95 South, all that stuff. Love it to this day. Yeah. And people that people love to use that against me all the time. It's like, Oh, well, you listen to 2 Live Crew and they had a song called Pop That Pussy and all this type of shit. And I was like, that is very, very true.

112:20Brent: At the same time. That wasn't all that you heard on the radio and quite in fact, you didn't hear that shit really on the radio because there was a whole court case where they tried to ban and put people in jail for even having fucking 2 Live Crew records. And they're one of the reasons why you have that damn parental advisory sticker.

112:35Brent: Now they mean N.W.A for the most part. So it's like, but there was, you had that, but that wasn't all you had today. That feels like all you have. There is variety. You can buy a 2 Live Crew record. You can buy a KRS-One record. You can buy a Geto Boys record. You could buy, you know, whatever, a fucking N.W.A record.

112:50Brent: But there was variety. It wasn't the only damn thing you heard constantly. Yeah. Like even going to the female MCs, you know, you had this real group. I'm not joking, folks. There was a group called Bytches With Problems and Hoes With Attitudes and shit. But then you also had Queen Latifah, my one love, MC Lyte, you know, there's a Bahamadia is out there. MC Lyte

113:10KT: is aging so well,

113:12Brent: MC, I mean, I don't, it's going to sound bad, but MC Lyte is fine. Yeah, I was just saying, I'm sorry, I got to say, but she was like, as she got older too, it's like, how are you getting finer as you get older, it's crazy.

113:23KT: Like that voice is gorgeous, it's honey.

113:26Brent: So you hear your ears and your ears rumbling a little bit like

113:29KT: MC Lyte podcast, friends and lovers. It's MC Lyte stan account.

113:34Brent: I'm with that. And that's another person you talk about some fun hip hop battles. She has a song called 10% Dis. I love that record. Okay.

113:40KT: One of my favorite

113:41Brent: diss records. Listen to that one. It's off her first album. I will legit play that over and over.

113:47KT: I'll have a listen to it there as well. But in regards to The Pop Out, cause it was a three hour, three and a bit hour extravaganza. How are you watching it? Did you have your, I love that you said you just so happy, whatever we want to believe friends and lovers, Brent just happened to have the day off. I was considering. Yeah, I was considering being home because it was 9am our time and I was considering being home, but Oti couldn't be home.

114:16KT: And I already, I already had my, you know, my, my, my mysterious ways in 6:16 in LA. So I was like, okay. And I was like, if I can be home, there's no point. Cause he won't be home either. Um, which I think we preferred because once we got home, I had to mute, I've only ever muted my socials and, you know, like I've only ever muted twice in my life.

114:37KT: The first time was The Pop Out concert and the second time was the Not Like Us video because I did not, don't tell me. Um, yeah, for The Pop Out, um, concert, we came home and it was hype because it was like nighttime. We could just enjoy ourselves. We didn't have to worry about like Teams messages or like WhatsApp messages that we're ignoring.

115:01KT: Uh, while we're here, stop love hearting my Teams messages. It's just it support, bro. It's not that deep. I don't know you like that. If I could disable the heart reactions, I don't like you people enough. Dirt. Hot.

115:15Brent: Ain't that the truth. I can't, I, I work in tech too and I feel you on that 100%.

115:21KT: It's like, you're not special. I just, I'm just here until I'm not here. Um, but yeah, so it was a lot of fun. Did you watch it all in full or did you watch it in chunks? Did you go straight to Kendrick? Cause that's what we were like. Wanting to do, but, um, we wanted to build that sort of moment. I'm glad we did. Cause DJ Hed's set was also very good. Cause it was the less commercial cause must've had more of the people that we would know. How did you watch it?

115:48Brent: I didn't watch it live. Even though I was at home. 'cause we were out that day. Okay. So I watched it, I think it was the next day. Yeah. But, um, we ended up, 'cause I went to go pull it up on Amazon, but it wasn't there.

115:59Brent: It wasn't there. It was no replay. I was like, fuck. So when somebody uploaded the video to YouTube, it was from the Kendrick part forward. So I didn't, I've never seen anything pre Kendrick on that show. Oh. So I've only seen, when he came outside it was like an hour and a half for us, I think. So I know people were, cause people were talking about like Tyler, the Creator was there and this and I'm like, I ain't seen him on the fucking stage. And I was like, Oh, cause I missed the

116:20KT: first hour

116:21Brent: or so. That's why I

116:22KT: also didn't listen to a lot of Tyler, the Creator. I don't know. I don't know where I was like, I knew he was there. I just, again, but I get scared of listening to new albums. So I just stuck to Kendrick all these years. Um, but like everyone's talking about how cool Tyler, the Creator is. I'm like, Oh, okay. I'm sure eventually I'll check him out, but he sampled Knockin' da Boots. And I just like,

116:42Brent: Oh, I didn't know that.

116:44KT: Yeah. Also you haven't watched all of it since then.

116:46Brent: Yeah. And

116:47KT: I'm okay. Um, but it was interesting cause it was like when The Pop Out was happening, I was shazamming all the songs. Cause I was like, eventually someone's going to put it up on Reddit, but I was like, I want to have this. So I can listen, especially because a lot of LA like artists

117:02Brent: that we

117:02KT: didn't know about. So I was like, shazamming, like a lot of them. And then with that Tyler, the Creator one, so we created, like, I'm into playlist now, apparently it's called, yeah, it's called Ken & Friends. And I just like created like all of the tracks that they, uh, but whenever I get to the Tyler, the Creator one, I think it's called, WUSYANAME or something. Um, I would stop listening to the playlist and just listen to Knockin' da Boots like 10 times and then I'll come back. You know, H-Town,

117:30Brent: I love it.

117:31KT: So, so good.

117:33Brent: That's a good song, man.

117:35KT: So, how did you feel about the Ken & Friends then?

117:37Brent: I enjoyed it the hell out of it. I was getting hype watching it. Like I said, we had the soundbar and the woofer going. So we had the bass and everything. I was, I love that he started with Euphoria. Right? Did you even,

117:50KT: did you even try to imagine what the first song of this? Cause I didn't even try. I was just like, whatever you deliver, I'm happy to be. But do you have an idea of what? Did you even want to think about what it might be?

118:01Brent: I don't, I didn't think about, I just, I wondered what he would start with. I wondered if it would just be like, fuck it, we're going to do Not Like Us. Just write a start, like book. I thought he might book.

118:09KT: But

118:11Brent: that's what was that. But then I was happy when he did Euphoria first. Cause I'm like, I liked, I technically liked that song better. Anyway, the only thing I wanted, I'm pretty sure he didn't fucking do it because it was Ken & Friends. So I'm like, okay, Jay Rock is going to most likely be there. Yeah. And he has a song called Hood Gone, Hood Gone Love It. I'm like, he got to do that song. I'm pretty sure he didn't fucking do that. like, yeah, he did it.

118:32KT: He did it.

118:33Brent: That was the only thing I really was asking for that. And King's Dead. And I'm pretty sure they did do King's Dead.

118:38KT: Yeah.

118:38Brent: Okay. Yeah. So those were the two I was really waiting on, but then I just wanted to see like what he was going to start with and who would show up. Like, of course I loved it. Dr. Dre showed up. Of course. I mean, California Love makes sense, but it's a very controversial opinion I've always had for years. I'm not the biggest fan of that song because it just got overplayed so much.

118:58KT: Interesting.

118:59Brent: It gets played so much. I don't dislike the song. I'm not saying that. It does get overplayed. Yeah, it definitely does get overplayed,

119:06KT: but I didn't realize that was the, okay. Interesting.

119:09Brent: At least for me. I know other people are like, cause it's like, man, you go to bowling alleys, you go to the movie theater, you go like, that's like, it's almost the same thing where I have the same problem as Ice Cube.

119:18Brent: Again, it's my favorite rapper. It Was a Good Day. I don't listen to that song a whole, whole lot. Cause it gets played so much. I know every word to that song, and I still will not, I'll listen to it, but not every time. Sometimes like, you know, skip that record because I hear it so much. I don't need to hear it again. There's just certain songs like there was like it gets played out. So there are albums of songs. Why are we just doing this one over?

119:42KT: Yeah, no, we did kind of. It gets like that. Like, once I get a lot of play, you're just like, yeah, I get it. But unless I need the scratch the itch, right?

119:52Brent: Exactly. And I'm wondering how that's going to be with Not Like Us, because I ain't hit that point yet. I still listen to it, but I wonder if there's going to be an oversaturation point at some point, but right now it's still so hype. I don't think it's going to happen no time soon. I think this year is good. I don't know about next year. Because Marching Band

120:05KT: season is coming up.

120:06Brent: Exactly. Like, it's about to go down. It's the summertime and everything. People outside. That is one thing that's nice about having that song and all this happening while I live in California now because I can see it. I've seen people driving by blasting that song and at the red light somebody's blasting Not Like Us out the window and somebody just starts Crip walking right there on the corner of the sidewalk waiting to cross the street.

120:26Brent: Like, it's crazy out here. Just seeing like how is everybody's united to this one fucking song? Yeah And that's why that's why I know like Drake is kind of I was I was just telling my boy Thomas that where Drake need to just sit out the rest of the Fucking year just don't even bother the rest of this year Let everybody get it all out of their system and then you can come back and make whatever corny little pop music song you want to do and your fans abide to let whoever abide and then you can go about your way.

120:52Brent: Go back in your lane. Cause that's the whole problem. He tried to step out his lane here with Kendrick and Kendrick pushed his ass right back where he's supposed to be at. I actually pushed it even out of that one

121:00KT: waving my hands and there won't be no threat. Absolutely.

121:04Brent: And he tried. He tried. I will give him credit. He fucking tried. He tried. Didn't try very well, but he tried. So at this point you might as well just bow out gracefully and just sit your ass down somewhere. Stay your ass inside, freaky Anthony.

121:22KT: I think all of the songs, like, I think in retrospect, people were saying it was like Drake disses, which I guess makes sense, but I wasn't necessarily checking for that. But, um, like I think all of the tracks were really good, ELEMENT. was really fun to hear.

121:37Brent: Um, I forgot about, I hadn't listened to the album in a while. I I just love that. So I forgot all about it.

121:43KT: Cause I did the whole like, uh, listening to albums. Cause I kind of, I always like muscle memory, good kid, m.A.A.d city. Like I always like that got the most play for me, but what, okay. What would you say is your favorite Kendrick album?

122:00Brent: Honestly, The one that I play the most is probably good kid, m.A.A.d city. I even got the vinyl of that one. I do like To Pimp a Butterfly. I know that's probably most people say that their favorite one, but the good kid, m.A.A.d city gets the most play in my car and headphones and everything.

122:13KT: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I think it's great. It's interesting that um, DAMN. was the one that got the Pulitzer.

122:21Brent: That's so weird. You would think it'd be To Pimp a Butterfly. That seems like the more like Inspired one to get a fucking Pulitzer of all things. DAMN. just like he was having fun Like a victory lap type thing like To Pimp a Butterfly is like instant hip hop classic You know He said what he had to say and it was inspired and all that and it's like now i'm just gonna have fun and do this DAMN., right And that's the one that got it.

122:44Brent: That's, that was weird. I mean, it's a good album though. I'm not saying it's bad or it didn't deserve an award of any kind, but if weird, if that one got it.

122:51KT: Yeah. I think it's probably, I wouldn't say it's commercial, but it's probably his most.

122:57Brent: It's the closest to it.

122:58KT: Yeah, because I didn't want to, I didn't want to give it that insult, but it does feel on the level of, uh, because he's having fun, you know what I mean? But there's still, there's still a lot of like, even LUST. is like, so you've got Amazon, there's a 2022 concert. Um, of him in France

123:16Brent: and

123:17KT: him doing LUST. I was like, you horny, horny man. I'm here. I'm here for this. Um, and I guess while we're here talking about horny Kendrick, um, he. He has my favorite uses and it's only because I don't listen to a lot of other artists and other songs, but he has my favorite use of the word pussy.

123:38KT: Like the first one is Classic Man did like five remixes. He did so many remixes of his Classic Man, but there's the Kendrick Lamar one when he says he eats the pussy for his nourishment. And I'm like, thank you. Someone that understands, um, and then more in a derogatory way in Not Like Us the other vaginal option.

124:02Brent: Exactly.

124:03KT: You know what I mean? Like there's this artistry to the use of words.

124:09Brent: He knows how to use them.

124:11KT: Absolutely.

124:12Brent: Just string them together. Just like, I can't even say that because a lot of rappers don't even try to rhyme anymore, but it's just trying to pop, pop, just be making up words and shit like just fucking Dr. Seuss. Well, that's a disrespected dining on just Dr. Seuss like that, but you get what I'm saying.

124:30KT: Yeah, absolutely. Um, well, I guess before we get to. Um, let's close out with the Not Like Us video, because I, again, like whether it's Drake fans or whether it's just people in general that just don't want to hear the song, but I feel like I'm one of those people that just replay the same song anyway.

124:50KT: So, like, so I was, I'm just always like replaying it and then I might shift go to R&B, but I will always like come back. Um, I was still hyped for this, like, because we had an inkling, did you know it was going to, cause we had, uh, like the, the Pop Out came out on Juneteenth and then we have the, the, the 4th of July, right?

125:12KT: Did you, did you enjoy, did you enjoy it on another level? Did you like ascend? Into a Super Saiyan, super mega Super Saiyan mode, like where were you in that sort of experience?

125:25Brent: You know, it's funny because I know everybody made the correlation about the 4th of July, but the 4th of July, I know maybe I make some people mad about this, but it is such a non factor. I don't give a fuck about the 4th of July at all, because that ain't our independence day. We had ours already. This is for you motherfuckers. Apparently they don't give a damn. That's just a day off work for me.

125:43KT: Well, to be fair, if, if we have friends and lovers that are listening to the podcast, we are very black and brown. So keep your patriotic ass away. And I don't think, but if you are here, feel free to be challenged by us, friends and lovers.

125:56Brent: Hey, I'm just saying, that's just me. I'm just saying, I don't care. It's just like motherfuckers. Don't when it's a side, low tangent here, but when Juneteenth, when I was in Ohio, when it became a day that got recognized and we actually got that day off work. Everybody at my job. What the hell is Juneteenth? And I've had I had to explain that so many times.

126:15KT: Yeah,

126:16Brent: like here's a

126:17KT: PowerPoint.

126:19Brent: Exactly. Like here, I'm just recording. And you can just listen to this. Here's a podcast for you. Yeah, we have been. Me and PJ have been talking about Juneteenth forever. And people were even on the podcast. I'm like, what are y'all talking about? It's one of the reasons why we started doing a Black History flashcards every fucking episode. It's like we found out there's this because admittedly, that. Are we have a lot of white listeners and yes, shout out to them, I guess, because I guess,

126:42KT: I guess, but yes, say

126:45Brent: like, and then, you know, we was talking about stuff and that's one of the things they would always shout us out because they'll be like, you know, our Tales from the Hood episode is the first one when we really like let loose and I told stories about me getting harassed by cops and shit.

126:57Brent: I had never even told some family members that story before, and they're just like, yo, you know, I didn't. I never thought about it that way. I never understood that. So, you know, listening to you guys kind of opened my eyes. I guess we made them woke to use that word. And so when it came to Juneteenth, I didn't really have a problem explaining it because I'm like, no, you fuckers shouldn't know about this. But if you can't

127:20KT: answer it, you don't have the day off or you shouldn't have the day off. Anyway, you should give that day off to your black coworker. They can have two days off.

127:29Brent: That ain't gonna happen. Yeah. And that's when it got released on the 4th of July. I didn't, it didn't even click in my head. But when I realized that when, after looking at Twitter, I was like, Oh, that's genius.

127:40Brent: That's fucking hilarious. Cause he calls him a colonizer. And July, the 4th of July is a day about colonization. So it was perfect. I loved it. How you again? Like I said, he's, he's smart about what he's doing. He's not doing the Drake thing. Like, again, I know you don't want to talk much about it. Like The Heart Part 6 thing where he's trying, we

127:56KT: can, we can talk about it. I just didn't know whether you

127:58Brent: wanted to talk about it. I can talk all day. Like I said, your boy, he's trying to do his own little string boarding, connect dots, and he's failing miserably to the point where. After to bring it even back to the video now after the video, most of that board is now melon board.

128:14Brent: The only thing he said about Drake, that is technically true that he has any basis for is that he's short. Everything else like wifey's in the video because he said, oh, you know, I get more love in your city than you do. That's a fucking lie. Yeah. You know, all these things he said, just this one video snuffed out.

128:32Brent: Everything. Yeah. And then one thing I didn't even, I didn't even catch on to it. I was wondering why in the video he was leaving at a shipyard and if somebody told me he was like, cause you know with human trafficking, a lot of times they do it during shipping containers. I was like, Oh shit. I didn't even think about that.

128:47KT: Yeah.

128:48Brent: So there's still stuff I'm hearing about this video. I didn't even catch on to.

128:51KT: There's also people talking about it exploiting black culture because at some point the dancers are inside of the container as well. And I'm like, man,

129:00Brent: it's a lot going on.

129:02KT: That's why I also said, um, Dave Free, I feel like I just always say his name like that now. Um,

129:09Brent: and Kendrick

129:09KT: Lamar, like they're kind of like Jordan Peele. Uh, for music, because even if they didn't mean that people have the lens and the frame to be able to add context, um, to the situation. And I guess that's why you get the mother, uh, cause that's one of the things Kendrick lied about because some of them are a bit slow, are a bit slow.

129:34KT: Um, it's like shut up and like even the streams and the bots and it's like, that's literally what your man has been proven. to use. So for you to even say that about Kendrick makes no sense at all. Um, but it's, it's interesting cause I, man, we could have hours about talking about podcasting, but I'll just very briefly say, um, I think I also, like, I resonate a lot with, you know, what Kendrick was doing about like calling out fakes and that sort of thing.

130:07KT: But it's also how I feel about film criticism. Because I know you downplay it, but you guys know how to talk about fucking film. You know what I mean? Like, like you do it in a very like laid back, um, underplayed way, but you guys know what you're doing. And yes, I think, cause it was interesting when, um, Cameron and Jordan was saying that they make it for like POC people.

130:28KT: And I'm like, I make it for my people too. It's just, Audience wise, because you have most film podcasts and the space that you're in, it is majority white. You know what I mean? And it's like the white people I fucks with are cool, but they also know I'm going to challenge them. You know what I mean? Like, even by discussing a film is challenging to white people sometimes.

130:51KT: And, you know, even talking about like experiences in, like you say, like on the podcast, I'll talk about experience and people like, no way. And I'm like, welcome. I was like, welcome to the world. Um, and it's, it's one of those interesting things of like, you can watch a film and you can feel however you want about it.

131:13KT: But to me, it's more interesting about, can we discuss it? Like, can we actually talk about what's there and the, the, the crudities of the film criticism world will be like, Oh, I like the angle that it was shot and it's like, shut your pussy ass up. Like, can you talk about, can you correlate the dialogue to the running theme of racism? Can you do that? Or are you a fucking Barbie and it's only white feminism? Like what? Shut your pussy ass

131:47Brent: up. I love doing that on the podcast too. Like it'd be the most, Like dumb action movie and some happening. I like correlated to like, Oh, you know, something like that. Cause you know, it is the black man in this shot.

131:58Brent: Like I love doing shit like that. Cause every time I do a PJ, he was looking at me about, Oh shit. I didn't think about that. But it's like, no, I can't I'll point stuff out like that. Oh, I do not care. And that's it's funny because one of the we just got a new patron. Shout out to you patron. If you're listening, you should be.

132:17Brent: But he would have said, you know, I, I really fuck with y'all show and cause he's like, you know, a lot of other podcasts, you know, they get, like you said, they're talking about, you know, how shots are seven technical, which, you know, there's an art to filmmaking. You should talk about that stuff because it is important, but at the same time, it's like, don't give a fuck about that all the time.

132:35Brent: I don't, I just like to hear people have fun. I think the. One of my favorite things somebody ever said about HVH is that it sound like you're, I'm in a restaurant. You guys are in the booth behind me and I'm just listening to y'all talk. About a movie that y'all just saw, like, it just feels natural. We're not trying to force them, you know, do like, oh, we got these segments we gotta do, and we're gonna talk about how the directors set up this shot.

132:56Brent: It's like, no, like, we just look at it and be like, this shit whack. And we'll tell you why we think it's whack. And even if it's like some movie that everybody, like, gushes about, like, No, this shit's whack. I don't like it. But then we'll watch an Ice-T movie and be like, Yo, this shit is fantastic.

133:11KT: That's like us doing, like, Martin Scorsese. Yes,

133:14Brent: exactly. Or

133:15KT: even, like, Quentin Jerome. He's heavy on the Jerome sometimes, uh, Tarantino, because we'll cover things that like people won't be watching, but they'll listen anyway. Cause you know, but then they're like, Oh, finally. And then they hear us critique and they're like, Oh no, cause we're like, we don't like, because we don't hold your. Directors as gods. You know what I mean?

133:42Brent: Exactly. Yeah.

133:43KT: And we're just here to watch. We're just, and that's why also like that whole like concept of gatekeeping. I don't do that. Like in, in regards to film criticism, everyone, like everyone should be telling stories, stories about themselves. Stop plucking aesthetics, Avatar people. Um,

134:04Brent: I've never seen Avatar. That's so funny.

134:06KT: Well, I guess you can just go off whatever I say, because. In that Na'vi language, they use ancient Polynesian words. So therefore, I am the king of the Na'vi, just crowning myself. Um, but I think that's like, that's part of the thing, right? Like of. Everyone has a story to tell.

134:29KT: I think some people are being people in positions of power are resistant to realize that they aren't part of that story, which you could also correlate back to the music industry as well. Yeah, for sure. And for me, I feel like everyone watches film, so everyone should be able to. Critique it, and I actually encourage that we shouldn't be, you know, like, I feel like if Fantano is the only like white critic that I will be like, I like, I fucks with that guy. He's the main, yeah, same

135:00Brent: here. I think he's, I was just trying to think, I'm like, no, I think he's the main one I really listen to.

135:04KT: Yeah, because I think in some sort of way, I hope, like, from a film point of view. That I'm, I'm trying to analyze it in that way. But, um, you know, you, you build the homes that you want and, you know, like you said, like you leave your door open or you give the passcode to whoever you want and hopefully it enriches it in some way. And it's not like some backhand putting some shit in their back pocket. So it's, it's a sliding

135:29Brent: coming in and stealing and going back out the door

135:32KT: and outside. Is there anything else you wanted to say about the, um, Not Like Us music video?

135:39Brent: I will say one thing about it too. Cause again, I'm from Ohio. I just moved out here last year. I didn't know who the hell Tommy the Clown was.

135:47KT: Okay. Can we talk about this? How did I know about Tommy the Clown?

135:53Brent: Cause you know the thing I, I just didn't really watch that. Uh, there's a documentary called Rize. I said, never, never looked at it before they play. It's funny enough. Um, The high school I went to was called Columbus Afrocentric Early College.

136:08Brent: It's pretty much a black school without really being called a black school. They technically allow white kids there, they just didn't come because they probably didn't know what was going to happen to them. But they played that movie in our assembly hall one time on the screen. And at the time, I'm not a dancer.

136:25Brent: I really honestly don't, didn't care much about dancing. So me and PJ just sat there and fucked around. We didn't really watch it. So I was like, I was thinking, I was like, because when Anita took a sheet from out here, so she instantly knew who that was. And she was like, Oh, he's from that Rize movie. I'm like, I ain't never looked at that shit.

136:38Brent: So I was like, yeah, I guess I should have watched it now that I would have known what this reference was. But yeah, now in Ohio, I never heard of the homie, unfortunately. So that's why when I saw him at The Pop Out, Who the fuck is a clown on stage? I thought somebody from the audience just got hype and jumped up there.

136:53Brent: And then she told me the whole story about, you know, the local dude that tried to help kids in the community, you know, with dance and came out the street and gave them something to do. So I think, oh, that's what's up. And so when I saw the video opened with him, well, I mean, the whole video opens with a whole different song first before you even see it.

137:10Brent: That shit is hard. You know, the funny thing too, Again, it's like the Teddy Pendergrass thing. I caught on to it, but I was listening to it. I'm like, why the fuck does this beat sound so familiar? I'm like, I know this beat hasn't been used, but like the sample, I'm like, where does this sample come from? And I listened to it a couple more times and it clicked a little bit.

137:27Brent: And I'm like, ain't no way. There's a, there's a woman named Debbie Deb has a song called When I Hear Music, when I hear music, it makes me dance. There's like a breakdown. And that's where that comes from. And I was like, how the hell did he isolate that? That's a deep

137:42KT: cut, Brent. You are the encyclopedia. Jesus.

137:46Brent: I love that Debbie Deb song. So that's like breakdance classic early 80s joint. But I was, but the beat, the way it's layered, it's like, how did he isolate that? And that's what I did some research and found out about like stems. I think they call them like some kind of new music technology. I don't know if it's AI powered or not, but it can just basically isolate exact things. Like if you want that part, you can isolate everything else out of it. Does that mean

138:10KT: if there's like five different audio,

138:13Brent: if there's like a bassline behind it or something, or like some kind of other instrumentation, it can isolate that out to get exactly that part that you want to look for that part. Are

138:24KT: you telling me that it's a densely layered audio file and you were able to identify that it was, that's your, I've listened to that song a

138:34Brent: lot of times. But it's funny because then, because I was just, I didn't know for sure. I was like, that's what that sounds like. And then I saw a video came out and it was like one of those.

138:44Brent: There's a lot of pages. I follow where they do like samples pages and everything. And they, they did that. And it was, I was like, okay. I knew it was that song. Like, I don't know how they, they, they must've just liked it as much as I did. But I was like, I knew it. Like I was so hype. I was like, I ain't lost it after all.

138:59Brent: I still got it, man. Cause I used to DJ and stuff too. So it's like, I got an ear for certain things. Cause you know, when you DJ, you have to be able to pick up like, okay, this is where the drop goes. This is where I need to do. This is where the fade goes. So it's like,

139:11KT: yeah,

139:11Brent: you get an ear for that type of thing. So it's like, I know that man, I just couldn't, it took me forever to realize funny enough. It actually, because of YouTube music. Because it came up, they do like what they call it, My Supermix. I think it's called on YouTube music. And that song played and it's near the end of the track. And I heard I'm like, that is like it got to be that.

139:30Brent: I was like, I don't know how he recreated it, but it's got to be that. But yeah, apparently there's a technology to isolate now. It's crazy.

139:37KT: David Blaine who?

139:39Brent: Fuck David Blaine. HVH out here son.

139:43KT: You should go to, um, Jamie Foxx has that, uh, game show with his daughter, isn't it? Beat Shazam

139:51Brent: Anita has told me so many times, like, Listen,

139:54KT: you shouldn't even have me saying it if Anita's telling you.

139:57Brent: It's because my grandmother, you know, before she passed, she would always say, because before Beat Shazam, it was like, Name That Tune was the show from when she was younger. And she would always say, she was like, yo, if Name That Tune was around, you would, you should have went on that show. Like, because there would be songs where it would like, the first note of the song, like, oh, it's this.

140:14Brent: How the fuck do you do that? It's like just a little boom, like a bass drop or something. It's like, Oh, I know what that is. Cause I just, that's all I did growing up was listening to music. I wasn't going out to clubs. I wasn't dating or doing all that shit. I was at home listening to music. That's all I did.

140:27KT: Well, there you go. Three legendary, and I would argue, beautiful women telling you To go on the game show. I'm not asking for a cut, but it would be nice.

140:39Brent: I need, I need a Beat Shazam. That's mostly hip hop. That's going to be the Achilles heel for me. Oh, some other stuff.

140:45KT: But it's

140:45Brent: like, if they throw a Taylor Swift or something at me, I'm like,

140:51KT: Like one of, one of them, one of those, uh, poppy stars and that sort of thing. Okay. Well, hopefully Um, we'll look out for that, but friends and lovers keep an ear out. Um, make sure I'm good. Do some stretch. It's been some good exercise. Damn right. Yeah, that

141:07Brent: was that line. I, I laughed so hard at that line. I can't lie.

141:14KT: I love how, like, you'll send me those animated, um, shout outs to the animators as well, because animators are having their moment, like the reactors, yes, but the animators are, um, also having their moment. So when you send me that clown of like, whoever sent you that information, oh, we sent it to you, it's like you!

141:33Brent: That's, that's when my, I legitimately just showed that to my coworker at work today, cause he, that dude broke down everything that he fucked up with in that video. Mm hmm. Because I didn't I again, because I only listened to that song once, but he's like, oh, yeah, you know, you a clown. You got fed that information is and I think the video says 12 seconds later. He's like, yeah, we fed you that information. They put clown faces over top of fucking hilarious, man.

141:55KT: Idiot. Just just an all around Idiot. Um,

141:59Brent: I'll add me on Twitter and I'll send y'all that video if y'all want it. Or X, I'm sorry.

142:07KT: Still Twitter.

142:08Brent: It's still Twitter. I just say X cause it's, me and Chris just like to say X. We just like to do that. Shout out to Xzibit. That's why we do that. You were only the second person to realize that reference. Really? My boy Steve from Everything I Learned From Movies podcast, when he came on the show, we said X, he did the exact same thing you just did. I'm like, nobody knows what we're talking about. I know some of y'all watched Pimp My Ride before.

142:31KT: I'm only good for Tommy the Clown and Xzibit, apparently. Apparently. Haha.

142:35Brent: Hey, that's good. Like I said, you got me on Tommy the Clown. I didn't know.

142:40KT: But thank you, friends and lovers, uh, and we will obviously, uh, bust it wide open and split this into two

142:46Brent: because

142:49KT: I have, uh, mostly questions that I'm going to direct towards Brent. I have no answers. Well, I guess we're the 95 that's lost then.

143:01Brent: There it is.